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Almost Famous In Depth: Caelynn Miller-Keyes · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.
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  Speaker 1: We promised we'd have more. Ashley and I are back
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  Speaker 1: with another episode of Almost Famous in Depth Ashley before
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  Speaker 1: we tell, which I guess you could probably read it
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  Speaker 1: by now in the bio Our listeners, who's on today?
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling and what are you most excited
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  Speaker 1: for for this interview? I feel like Kaylan for the
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  Speaker 1: past year has just been like so happy with Dean,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm excited to get to know
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  Speaker 1: more about like the behind the scenes of their relationship
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  Speaker 1: and also so many things that I feel like we
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  Speaker 1: haven't we didn't get to discuss with her back during
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  Speaker 1: like Colton season in Paradise. That's right. Well, before we
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  Speaker 1: bring on our guest, which, as Ashley said, is Kaylan
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  Speaker 1: Miller Keys. Little background on Kayln Miller Keys. She was
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  Speaker 1: born June fifteenth, nineteen ninety five, in Fredericksburg, Virginia. A
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  Speaker 1: childhood illness all left her paralyzed at a young age.
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  Speaker 1: She had a virus that led to inflammation of the brain.
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  Speaker 1: She suffered a complete loss of muscle control, and doctors
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  Speaker 1: only gave her a ten percent chance of walking again. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we know that please start there one hundred percent. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to say, we know where that story continues to,
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  Speaker 1: and it continues to us today on the Almost s
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  Speaker 1: Ofice podcast. Hey Caylen, Hi, thanks for having me. Guy.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Caylen, So tell us about this horrible thing you
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  Speaker 1: experienced as a kid. Yeah. So, when I was two,
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  Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with encephalitis, and my mom took me
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  Speaker 1: to so many different doctors and so many different hospitals,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, something is wrong with my daughter. And
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  Speaker 1: it just like reminds me of that Grace Anatomy episode
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  Speaker 1: where the mom is like, no, like, something is wrong
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  Speaker 1: with my son. And she finds out that he has
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  Speaker 1: that random disease and so all the doctors were like,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cold, she'll be fine, and she was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I promise, like something's wrong with her. And so after
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  Speaker 1: a couple maybe like a week or two of that,
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  Speaker 1: she met a doctor and was like, we have to
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  Speaker 1: HELLI back her out, like she is kind of on
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  Speaker 1: the brink of death. She has encephalitis, her brain is swelling,
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  Speaker 1: and we need to get this taken care of. So
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  Speaker 1: it was so far gone at that point because doctors
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  Speaker 1: had misdiagnosed me that They were like, you only have
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  Speaker 1: a ten percent chance of walking if you live, and
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  Speaker 1: your chances of living are very slim. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got through it or survived.
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  Speaker 1: But my mom like never fighting, is just she's just
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  Speaker 1: an incredible woman. How how rare is encephalitis? How rare?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was more rare in the nineties or
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  Speaker 1: it was like harder to diagnose I think in the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: but people still have it. It's just it's really bad
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  Speaker 1: for young kids to have it. So how do you
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  Speaker 1: get it, catch it or how to develop it? You know,
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  Speaker 1: I shoul probably do more research. I think it's a vibe.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a virus that yeah, wow, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: for my own personal knowledge, did you were you a helicopter?
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  Speaker 1: Were you helicopter to a nova Fairfax? No, I should
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  Speaker 1: have been, but we were to VCU hospital. Oh really
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  Speaker 1: interesting because my dad works at Fairfax. Oh really, they're
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  Speaker 1: much nicer, but we only have Mary wash and fredericksperience
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  Speaker 1: and that's just not the best hospital. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: So then how'd you get through that? Like, did you
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  Speaker 1: have to rehab? Were you in the hospital for days weeks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I was in the hospital for at least two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and my mom said I was the smiliest, smiliest, happiest kid.
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, for two weeks straight, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: crack a smile. Like we had people doing everything to
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  Speaker 1: try and make you smile, Like I loved it when
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  Speaker 1: people hurt themselves like chirp and fall and stuff, And
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  Speaker 1: they tried everything. They put on my favorite shows. And
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  Speaker 1: then they brought in a therapy dog on the second week,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen days in and it was a little jack rustle
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  Speaker 1: that hopped in bed with me, and it was the
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  Speaker 1: first time I smiled, And my mom said I started
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  Speaker 1: getting better pretty soon after that. How often does your
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  Speaker 1: mom talk about this? Not too often, but growing up
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  Speaker 1: she definitely let me know, like you're lucky, Like you're
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  Speaker 1: very lucky to be walking, to be living, and she
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  Speaker 1: tells us stories. I get confused. I was just talking
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  Speaker 1: about this. I get confused, like what my memories are
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  Speaker 1: and what the memories that she's told me are. But
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  Speaker 1: she was in the hospital by my side every single day,
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  Speaker 1: had the whole church praying for us, and she said
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  Speaker 1: they were giving me anesthesia. But I wasn't reacting to
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  Speaker 1: it for some type of medicine, and so they just
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  Speaker 1: kept giving me more and more and more, and she said,
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  Speaker 1: I started screaming and just all spiders like crawling from
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  Speaker 1: the ceilings because it all hit me at once, And
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  Speaker 1: just remind everybody and for clarity, you were how old too?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so are you even able to speak yet?
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  Speaker 1: Were you speaking? You're like a toddler, so I think
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  Speaker 1: you're like saying little words here and there. Yeah, So, okay,
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  Speaker 1: who else was in your life at this time? Was
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  Speaker 1: your mom was very present? You also have a sister.
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  Speaker 1: You have a dad of course, and a stepdad. So
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  Speaker 1: where was your parents' relationship at this point? My parents
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  Speaker 1: separated when I was three months old, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember him being there. I don't remember my mom saying
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  Speaker 1: he came down. I don't really think that sounds like him.
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  Speaker 1: So it was just her, like by my side every night.
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  Speaker 1: And I think my grandma took care of my sister
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  Speaker 1: because she was obviously young and couldn't stay at the
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  Speaker 1: hospital with us. And then how many siblings. I have
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  Speaker 1: three brothers and three sisters. Three It was just me
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  Speaker 1: and her at the time. Oh wow. Okay, so I
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  Speaker 1: said you have one sister, because I'm going off of
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  Speaker 1: what we saw on your hometown date. So why weren't
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  Speaker 1: all your siblings? That are not to jump ahead, but
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  Speaker 1: they were all there, but they just didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to them. I guess my brother was so upset.
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  Speaker 1: He still gets upset. He's like, why did anyone want
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  Speaker 1: to talk to me? And I'm like, I didn't make
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  Speaker 1: that decision. I'm sorry, No way, that's so funny. They
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  Speaker 1: made it seem like you and your your sister was
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  Speaker 1: the one that they had he had to impress. No,
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  Speaker 1: it was weird. I don't know the uh Kaitlin coming
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  Speaker 1: up with a childhood story like this is I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here. I'm like, wow, that's to be tough,
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  Speaker 1: is there? Did you ever feel growing up like what
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  Speaker 1: was your childhood like? Then? Was there just an appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? I think my mom was just so
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  Speaker 1: appreciative that I was living that she was also there
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  Speaker 1: through therapy, I had to learn how to rewalk again,
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  Speaker 1: so I started to lose all my motor skills and
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't feed myself, I couldn't walk, so I had
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  Speaker 1: to relearn how to do all those things, to eat,
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  Speaker 1: to walk, to do anything for myself. So she was
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  Speaker 1: there through all that, and it was just She also
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  Speaker 1: like did a lot of research on brains, and she
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  Speaker 1: said that my personality changed drastically when I went through that.
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  Speaker 1: When you go through a brain trauma, you can change.
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  Speaker 1: And so I always like wonder what I would have
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  Speaker 1: or who I would have been if I hadn't gone
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  Speaker 1: through that. Interesting because you said that you were so
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  Speaker 1: smiley beforehand, and I always think of you as smiley now,
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  Speaker 1: So it didn't change I know, happiness. I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: I was more outgoing and then going through that, I
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  Speaker 1: came out more shy. I don't know who knows. Is
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  Speaker 1: this one of the reasons you love dogs so much too? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I just love him so much. And I think therapy
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  Speaker 1: dogs are just amazing. I want to make Pappy a
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  Speaker 1: therapy dog, but they just I don't know. There's something
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  Speaker 1: about like touching and holding a dog that just makes
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  Speaker 1: you happy. It makes you smile, like Pappy. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Pappy is a therapy dog, like just by nature, No,
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  Speaker 1: he is Dean, try to take him. He like cuddles
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  Speaker 1: me every night and the other night, Dean try to
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  Speaker 1: take him, and I was like, I literally can't sleep
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  Speaker 1: about this dog, like he can't take him. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 1: just let everybody know we're talking about Pappy, because Caitlyn,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a second here to introduce Pappy.
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  Speaker 1: But he is sitting on your lap. He is right
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  Speaker 1: here with us. He is our fourth or I guess,
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  Speaker 1: our second guest on this episode. Yeah, so Pappy. We
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  Speaker 1: adopted him back in maybe February. We were fostering in
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  Speaker 1: January because Dean obviously broke his leg and we knew
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  Speaker 1: we'd be home, so we were like, we might as
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  Speaker 1: well foster while we're here not traveling. So he fostered.
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  Speaker 1: Fell in love with this little man, and now he's
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  Speaker 1: a perfect little son. He's such an Instagram celebrity. People
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  Speaker 1: are so invested in his health and his recovery. He
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  Speaker 1: just had surgery and everyone just loves him. He's so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: He's so sweet. Okay, so let's go back to your
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  Speaker 1: childhood for a second. So your parents divorced the age
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  Speaker 1: of three. How did that affect your relationship with your father?
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  Speaker 1: So they separated when I was three months old? Well,
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  Speaker 1: three bad? I none of that in my head, I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't say it out loud. So for me, I
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  Speaker 1: just I didn't know anything except to have my mom there.
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  Speaker 1: And my mom is just the most incredible, selfless woman,
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  Speaker 1: Like she did such a good job of raising us,
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  Speaker 1: and never I never felt like I was missing anything,
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  Speaker 1: Like I never felt like I was missing a dad.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I was about five, she married my stepdad,
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  Speaker 1: so he kind of if I did have a void
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  Speaker 1: to fill, he filled that. Do you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: and Dean have bonded over the fact that your father
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  Speaker 1: figure in life hasn't been like stereotypical. Yeah, Like we
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  Speaker 1: definitely have a different family dynamic than most, Like we
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  Speaker 1: both do, so we can relate for that. And I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, quarantine has been so tough that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to go see a therapist what I've been
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  Speaker 1: putting on for so long. So we've been like talking
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  Speaker 1: through what I'm learning in therapy and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: But we definitely have some similarities. Obviously, We've got to
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  Speaker 1: have Dean on an in depth podcast before and he's
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  Speaker 1: always an open book, which I really do appreciate about that. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I love Dean very much. By the way, just to
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  Speaker 1: let you know. I don't know if you knew. That's wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: So growing up then in this family, when did at
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  Speaker 1: what point in your childhood did the did you start
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  Speaker 1: to find a desire for performance? Honestly never, I was
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  Speaker 1: the most shy kid growing up. I could barely speak
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  Speaker 1: to strangers. I was just like I was always the
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  Speaker 1: sidekick and the background person, just like cheering my friends
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  Speaker 1: on who were always loved to be in the limelight
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  Speaker 1: and just loved to the attention. And I never wanted that.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was fifteen, my friend had a little
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  Speaker 1: pin for Miss Virginia, United States, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what is that? And I asked her about it. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about it, and I was like, all right, might
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  Speaker 1: as well try it. I don't know what inspired me
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  Speaker 1: to do it, but after my first one, I got
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  Speaker 1: to meet so many girls and I got to come
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  Speaker 1: out of my shell. When you're fifteen and walking in
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  Speaker 1: a swimsuit, it definitely like brings you out of your
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  Speaker 1: comfort zone. And so it was from there I just
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with it, and I loved being on stage,
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  Speaker 1: and I loved just breaking down those barriers that I
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  Speaker 1: built up. So those early you're fifteen. That's wild. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine. I can't imagine walking around as some suit
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  Speaker 1: at fifteen years old in front of people. I know,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of gross to think about. I'm like, why
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  Speaker 1: did I do? What was the hardest part of pageant life? Ooh?
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  Speaker 1: Probably the comparison and yeah, just the comparison and the
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  Speaker 1: competition aspect, Like people can be mean and mostly the
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  Speaker 1: moms can be mean, and it was just tough to
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  Speaker 1: hear people just say not some nice things. And there's
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  Speaker 1: like anonymous boards that people can post on and just
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  Speaker 1: like grip you apart. So that was I learned when
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  Speaker 1: I was fifteen, like what my mental strength is and
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  Speaker 1: what I can handle what I can't, which helped me
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  Speaker 1: in The Bachelor in a sense because there's obviously Reddit
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  Speaker 1: and things that you can read and comments, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I know that this will hurt me. I
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  Speaker 1: know I can't handle it, so I'm just not going
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  Speaker 1: to even go there. So this is a common you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me, it's common for the moms to outwardly express
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  Speaker 1: like criticism towards you at like a young teen level.
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  Speaker 1: Like that was an accepting culture. Well, like whispers and
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  Speaker 1: there's one point in a like pageants. I think they're great.
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  Speaker 1: This is just like my one negative. I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: at a pageant in the audience and I was just
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  Speaker 1: hearing people and not all I don't want to like
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  Speaker 1: crap on pageantry in any way, but I was just
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  Speaker 1: hearing people criticize, like a girl comes out, Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: hate that Jess, Oh, I hate her walk. Oh I
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  Speaker 1: hate this, I hate that, I hate her hair. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's not what this should be. And
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  Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying every pageant person is like that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's mostly the moms are just like critiquing every
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  Speaker 1: single girl that walks out there, who's putting themselves out there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine then how that prepped you. Oh I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know. I think that's probably the best prep work
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  Speaker 1: for the Bachelor. Yeah, what's the biggest misconception about pageants
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  Speaker 1: that the girls don't get along? Like my some of
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  Speaker 1: my best best friends are from pageantry. And yes, there
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  Speaker 1: are like those me moments that you would think that happened,
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  Speaker 1: but they're very rare. For the most part, people are
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  Speaker 1: very supportive. And you know that was just me sitting watching.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're actually backstage and you're getting to meet
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  Speaker 1: the girls. For the most part, everyone's great and wonderful,
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  Speaker 1: and you just like developed this really close bond. You
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  Speaker 1: can talk about the work that goes into preparing for
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  Speaker 1: a pageant because you were in it for a good
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  Speaker 1: number of years before you were crowned Miss North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: So you started fifteen and then you were crown Miss
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina at twenty one twenty two too. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: how do you get in that like mindsetke constantly preparing yourself.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny because I forgot about this podcast and
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  Speaker 1: at eleven am I was like, oh crap, I have
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, and I was literally taken back to pageantry
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, I haven't prepared, I haven't like
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  Speaker 1: thought of the questions. And I'm like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's it's not a big deal, but you really
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  Speaker 1: do have to like go through each question and kind
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  Speaker 1: of find the right thing to say, find your stance
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  Speaker 1: on issues at such a young age, of things that
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  Speaker 1: you know most kids aren't thinking about well, I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: what were the question what are the questions in the
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  Speaker 1: pageant world? I don't know, I don't know pagets at all,
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  Speaker 1: to be to be clear, like I don't know this world,
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  Speaker 1: and and so I come into this, I'm like, there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm still amazed that you're You're able to get up
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  Speaker 1: on a stage at fifteen. I don't get how you
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  Speaker 1: could do that. I just would be I was so insecure.
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  Speaker 1: But then what questions are they asking you? The questions
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  Speaker 1: are the hardest part. I'm like, whenever everybody watches a pageant,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I just can't wait for the questions
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  Speaker 1: because it's just so awkward. Because even if you are
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  Speaker 1: super eloquent and educated, speaking your opinion on a hot topic,
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  Speaker 1: a political topic, just at the drop of a hat
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  Speaker 1: is so stressful. Yes, and like you've got the intense
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  Speaker 1: music behind you, just like making it even worse, making
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  Speaker 1: your nerves worse. But it is. It's like controversial topics.
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  Speaker 1: It's hot topics in the news. People ask about gun control,
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  Speaker 1: they'll ask about gay marriage, they'll ask about I thinking
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  Speaker 1: about like Miss USA two thousand and nine, it was
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  Speaker 1: about gay marriage, and I think maybe gun control. It
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  Speaker 1: just like anything that's relevant in the news, and nothing's
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  Speaker 1: off limits. What a prep, I mean, what a prep
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  Speaker 1: for a show? That then I know we're going to
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  Speaker 1: jump in and talk about here in just a second.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of life skills do you think
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  Speaker 1: this pageant world taught you? I think it gave me
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  Speaker 1: the ability to think on my feet, and I tend
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  Speaker 1: to be a very fast talker because I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I only have fifteen seconds to answer, so I like
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of things out very quickly, which you're
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  Speaker 1: working on. But also it's I don't know, it's taught
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  Speaker 1: me a lot. I don't know. My mind's like jumping
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  Speaker 1: to a million places right now. Well, when you are
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  Speaker 1: doing pageants, you had a sexual assault be one of
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  Speaker 1: your platforms because that was something that you experienced and
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  Speaker 1: we're very open with on The Bachelor in college. So
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to get into that and how
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  Speaker 1: you decided to make that your platform and when you
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  Speaker 1: started getting comfortable talking about that experience. Yeah. I actually
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  Speaker 1: remember I was at Miss Virginia, USA maybe a year
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  Speaker 1: maybe or a couple of months. It was probably a
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  Speaker 1: year after it happened, and I was talking to one
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  Speaker 1: of my girlfriends and I was like, this happened to
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  Speaker 1: me and it was brutal, and I'm still going through it,
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  Speaker 1: and I kind of want to talk about it, but
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  Speaker 1: no one's really talked about it, so I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's appropriate. I don't know what people's response will
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  Speaker 1: be because I think at the time Trump owned Miss
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  Speaker 1: USA for a long time, and I remember people saying
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  Speaker 1: not to talk about it. I think for that reason.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: saying like yes or no. And I was finally like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: this has been exhausting. This has been so difficult. There
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: are not enough resources for people to know what to do.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: If it happens to you. You wake up and you're like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know where to go from here. And so
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, I have to talk this. If people
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: shame me, if people guilt me, if people think that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm crazy for talking about this, whatever, but if it
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: helps someone, that's all I could ask for. What was
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: your hope. I wanted people to know that they weren't alone,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: because waking up and just you just have this pit
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: in your stomach, you feel this hopelessness and helplessness, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to help girls who felt that way too,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and I wanted them to be knowledgeable and know what
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to do if this happens. And also I don't know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: there was just such a stigma. I remember my assault
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: happened a week before the Rolling Stones article came out,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and then there was and it was a girl at EVA.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I believe my brain is scattered, but I think she
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: was at EVA, and she came forward, did a Rolling
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Stones article about her sexual assault, and then it came
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: out that she maybe fabricated it or things weren't lining up.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So then nobody wanted to come forward. They're like, well,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be considered a liar. So I wanted
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: people to know, like, it doesn't matter what people say,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: just speak your truth own, you know, speak up, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it's an important topic. Do you feel comfortable talking to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: us about what happened within the year because you started
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: talking about it more openly at a year. At what
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: point did you like tell your mom and talk to
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: your close best friends about it, because I know that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it all happened when you're with your best friends right
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and night going out in college. Are you open to that? Yeah?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So in a way it sounds weird, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I do feel lucky that I went through it with
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: other people. If there was any luck in any of this.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I do feel lucky that none of us were alone.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: We all had each other to lean on, and we
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: were like, we all woke up that next morning and
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: we're all confused, and we went to the hospital together.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: We filled police reports together, we talked to the detectives together.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And so me thinking about other people just like they
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it takes to do all that alone is just absolutely
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: incredible to me. But yeah, I I didn't tell my
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: mom until probably five months later. I just felt so
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: much shame and so much guilt, and I almost called
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: her in the hospital the night that it happened, but
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: or the night after it happened, but I was just like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: she's gonna be so ashamed of me. I was drinking,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you know, there were other things in fault, like you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: sexual things, Like she's going to be so ashamed. And
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I remember when she found out, like she was there,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: she was meeting with my lawyers immediately, she was at
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the school immediately, she was doing everything she could to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: fight for me. And I wish I told her immediately
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: because she just had my back and has had my
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: back ever since. Oka you tut talk about what you
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: mentioned the hospital did the night when you reported it
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't it wasn't there something very strange. Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: So the next day I woke up and I was
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: like trying to figure out what happened, and you're piecing
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: things together. It was and just cut and clear, like
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: this happened. It was. It was over the course of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that entire day where we were piecing things together and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: figuring it out. So when I went to the hospital,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, let me just get a to see
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: let me see if I was had any drugs in
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: my system. If I was drugged, then I'll know, like
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: for sure, something was wrong. And so I went to
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a hospital and they said we can't and I told them.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, I think I was sexually assaulted last night.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I told them, and they said, I'm sorry, but unless
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you fouled police report, we're not going to test you,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: which they can't do. And at the point, I didn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: know what had happened. I didn't know if there was
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a sexual assault. I wanted to get tested to see
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: if there were drugs in my system. We were still
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: figuring things out at that point. So then the day
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: passes and we're all just feeling more and more weird.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: We found out an additional detail, and I was like,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: all right, at this point, I'm ready to file a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: police report. So so were the other two girls, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: we filed together. I'm so confused how the hospital expected
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you to go to the police file the report before
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: seeking medical advice and attention. Yeah, it didn't make any sense.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And even still today, the only thing that's left with
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: my case is that hospital bill that I'm fighting. I'm like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you didn't do anything. You turned me away. I'm not
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: saying this, and it's like a small hospital bill, but
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to pay it. When you turned me
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: away for medical attention that I needed. This is still
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this is still something you're fighting today. Yeah, ridiculous, Calu.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I have to ask, then, how did this affect your
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: relationship with men? People? Just, I mean, everyone who's gone
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: through this experience, this horrific experience, responds differently. And at
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: first I shut down, and then I covered it up
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: by jumping into a new relationship because I just I've
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: never been good about dealing with things that have happened
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to me, like traumas that I've experienced in my life.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I always just down. I went through trauma when I
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was a kid, and my mom tried to take me
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to therapy, and I just colored the whole time because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I just I can't do it. I couldn't at that point.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So my response was just to ignore it. It happened,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, trying to deal with it, and so
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to jump into a new relationship. This
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: guy doesn't go to my school, he's graduated college. My
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: response is just like, everything's fine, which you know, was
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: not the healthy way to do it at all. But
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: so my relationship with him, it was fine for the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: most part, and then sometimes it would hit me what
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: happened and the severity of what happened, and I would
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just break down and start crying. And I never I
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: never processed it. So my relationship with him was just
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: like kind of weird because I would, I don't know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just break down every so often about it and this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: is the new relationship. The relationship right after this is, yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: this was the new one. And I just felt like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a sense of trust with him that I just needed,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and so I never felt anything weird with him. But
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I do remember if a man would kind of like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: touch my shoulder, or even my stepdad who's like been
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: my dad since I was five, but like touch, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: would still jump. But with that new relationship I was in,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I just like created this bond and trust and like
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: this necessity that I needed that I didn't feel that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: with him. What's your perspective on all to day. Well,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: now I've like sought out therapy and I've like gone,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm still It's not something that you can
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like work through quickly. I'm still working through it. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'm happy I came out of it the way that
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I did. I'm happy that I'm stronger. I'm happy that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I can now appreciate the incredible men in my life
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and the incredible relationship that I'm in now. And just
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I think have trust with Dean and I don't know
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the I'm sure looking back. Just like most things in life,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you know, there's lessons learned, and obviously in your case
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of things that you've had to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: process and work through. As you mentioned, still working through.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: What would if we just kind of give you the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: platform which you love doing almost on the end depth
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: episodes to say there's somebody out there listening to this
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: who could have been a victim of something similar to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: what you have been a victim of what would be
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: your message for them now? Looking back on you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: what was this eight years ago? I think six maybe
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: six years ago? Yeah, six years What would be your
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: lessons of things learned if someone's gone through it or
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: going through it. I keep getting so many messages, especially
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: now when everyone's just sitting with their thoughts and they're like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: all right, it's time that I finally cope with this.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I would say the biggest thing again, it's weird to
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: say that we're lucky, but we are lucky to be
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in this time where we have so many women standing
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: in solidarity and men standing up and saying me too,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: me to, me too. We are lucky in that sense
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: where we don't have to feel shameful. We don't have
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to feel or I guess, feel less shameful. I would
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: also say to seek help and not do what I did,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Not just cover it up and mask it, because it
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: will come out and it'll be ugly, and it's better
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to just deal with it head on and life gets better,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Life gets much better, and the strength that you'll have
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: when you come out of this is just will be
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: amazing and you and looking back, I didn't know I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: could be this strong. I didn't know I could be
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this vocal and be an advocate for something that is.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: It's just it's so horrific that it still happens and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that I'm still getting DMS and I don't know, it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's despicable. But it's weird to say that we're lucky.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But we are lucky to be in a time where
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we don't feel like our voices are being restricted in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: any ways. Beautiful Klen, you've been through a lot, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about what we just talked about since
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the beginning of this podcast. Yeah, it's weird to think
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: about and going through therapy. My this is like anyone
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: else talking about this is going to be crying. But
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you're just a practical person. And I am practical in
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the sense where it's like I can't change what happened
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to me. All I can do is grow through it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and learn from it and try to become a better person. Well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: thanks for sharing. Yeah, thank you, it means a lot.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Let's take a break. When we come back, we're going
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to jump into the next stages of your life, which
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: happens to include the Bachelor franchise and a guy we
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: know named Colton Underwood. Hey, we'll come back on the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Almost Famous in depth with Kaylin Miller Keys. We're back
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: with Kaylen Miller Keys. Kaylin, I want to just start again.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: We just took a little break. I apologize. First off,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I'm stuffy from allergies and so that's getting me. It's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: not the best of voices right now, not that it
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: ever is. But uh, Kaitlin, thank you for sharing, thanks
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: for being a good advocate, and thanks for educating me
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: on a lot of these things. So I just I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. That's what I was thinking about during break.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And Ashley, I think you feel the same way totally. Okay,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So while this all went down, you were at Virginia
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Commonwealth University, YOUCU, and you were studying broadcast journalism and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you were also doing pageants and you graduated the same
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: year that you did your prayer that you won Miss
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: North Carolina the year after. Okay, so all this all
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this is happening, and you did you did you want
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a career somewhere where like you were going to be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: front and center. Yeah, which is so strange because looking
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: back in my life, I was never that way when
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. But going through pageants. It's kind
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of Most people start studying broadcast journalism, and I was like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm in pageants, I might as well follow along and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: try sports broadcasting. I know nothing about sports, though, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, that is the dumbest thing. I would
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: be a terrible sports broadcaster. And so I graduated, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I just I fell in love with journalism. I always
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: loved journalism, even in high school. I did print, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: broadcast I especially loved. And you know, it was just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it was fun to be in front of the camera.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's fun to edit your own things, also shoot the camera.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: So when you signed up for The Bachelor, was that
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: during your stint as Miss North Carolina? Because isn't that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: illegal in pageant? Or you can't like sign I know
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before on the podcast. I won't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: bring it back up, but I remember when I was
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: looking into pageants, I was like, oh, I'd have to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: basically choose one or the other. And now we see
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of pageant girls on the show. But
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: back during your day or like when you signed up
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: for it, I feel like it wasn't legal, right, it
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: was okay. I don't think there was anything in the contract.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: At that point. I remember calling my director and I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, I think I'm going to do this,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and she didn't tell me that Hannah was doing it,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: which is so funny, but yeah, so I signed up.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I told my director and she said, just make sure
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you're back for the crowning of Miss North Carolina. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I thought for sure I would be one. I'm probably
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: going home night one and two. They're usually in the States,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and I talked to someone and I was like, is
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: it possible if we're still in the States for me
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to fly back and They're like, yeah, it could be possible.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So I was like, if I don't go for some
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: crazy reason, don't go home night one, like, we'll still
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: make it back. But we ended up being in Vietnam.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: There's no way I can fly home from Vietnam and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: then go crown the girl and then come back. You
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: were in Vietnam and somebody is trying to convince you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that you could possibly make this whole thing work. Yeah, unbelievable.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: So how did it play out? Unfortunately? I missed it,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and I mean, it's a bummer, but my teen is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: incredible and she took it over. There's like Miss North
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Carolina teen, and she essentially it's like placing a crown
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: on someone's head, and it is like it is important.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I won't say that it's not important. But also at
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the time, I was in Vietnam and I was like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I think I might really love this man. So am
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I really going to place a crown on someone's head
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and give up a man that I might love? So
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: that's how I justified it. And it's you know, it
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't the best, but it happened all right. So there's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: obviously a lot of jealousy when it comes to pageants
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: when you weren't crowned Miss USA and you saw a
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: friend get crowned Miss Usa, Like, you have to be
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: honest with the feelings that run through your body in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that moment. I remember us like holding hands at the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: end and the cameras are spending and we're like, holy crap,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Like neither one of us thought we would ever be here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: We maybe thought we'd make the top fifteen, and even
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that we felt like was a stretch. And it's on
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: national television. What was this broadcasted on? What was it? Maybe? Yeah,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: like Box, you are on primetime TV for the first
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: time too, Yeah, it was. It was insane and just
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to know, like the best friend that I made at
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Miss USA. It was like me and her at the end,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: she was like I think we just kept saying like
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come visit you in New York, and she
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna come visit you in New York
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: because whoever wins missed to New York and then they
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: called her and for a split second there was a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: pit in my stomach and I was like, dang it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And then I was like this is incredible, Like this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: is so incredible. I didn't think I was going to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: place I went to. Miss ten Usa didn't place Like
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: this is awesome. And I was so happy for her
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and she was an incredible in Miss USA. So there
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: was really no jealousy there with Miss USA. So, but
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: do you feel like jealousy was the root of your
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: issues with Hannah Brown during that whole pageant, that year
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: of pageantry. No, I wouldn't say it was jealousy. I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you guys are roommate's like, tell us about the first
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: moment you met. Yeah. So also I'm just like I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: am such a freaking different person from Miss USA till now.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: So it's so weird to think about. But so Hannah
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and I met when she was crowned, and I was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: already close with Miss Louisiana and she's still one of
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: my best friends. I love her to death, and she
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: was crowned and we were excited to bring her in too.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Like the RPM family, we met, we were hanging out,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: loved her, we like got along great. What does OURPM
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: stand for? Yeah, uh Ryan Paul Morgan, it's like their production.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, And so yeah we met, we like were
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: great friends and then I don't know, I just there
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was like a rift in the friendship and it was
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: like just small things. And I'm the type of person
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: all right, used to be that person and I'm not
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: anymore thanks to The Bachelor, and just like producers pound, like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you know, hounding it in on me that I need
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to grow backbone and I need to speak up for myself.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And I used to be the way where if something
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: bothered me, I would just let it bottle up and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I would just kind of push that person away because
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I would rather do that than deal with confrontation, which
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: is terrible. So I kind of was doing that with Hannah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and there were just like little things here and there
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that I was like, I don't know if I I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like hard to explain. So then
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: we go to Miss USA and you explain one little thing,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: like I don't want to pressure you, but like give
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: us one example. It just it was starting to feel competitive,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and I didn't want our friendship to feel competitive. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it's natural to feel competitive because we are competing against
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: one another, you know, Yeah, And I just I didn't
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like that. And it wasn't anything like I just felt
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that way. It's not necessarily something she was doing or
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: anything like that. I just felt like it was getting
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: too competitive, and I don't know, it's just like so
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: weird to look back on. But so we go to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Miss USA and I just got very quiet, and that's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: just who I am, especially when I'm competing. I was
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just like quiet, and I would have my headphones in.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I would listen to the news, and I just didn't
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: like to, you know, hear different things like I just
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I like to be in my own bubble and she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: likes to have you know, family talking and hyping her up.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But that gets in my head. So I would like
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: have headphones in and kind of get frustrated. I was like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about how amazing your body is.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I know it's amazing. I only worked out three times
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: before this, Like I feel like, so I just I can't.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: It was like those types of things, and it wasn't
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: anything she was doing intentionally. It was just me not
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: being confident in myself. Got it. So then when you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: maybe that's Chelsea. So then you guys both separately sign
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: up for the show and you both get cast. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: believe that you guys probably both would have been cast
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not you had a relationship. Was
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: there anything that you lent to them in casting that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: would have made them think, oh, these two had beef
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and this will be great drama for the show. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: think we weren't following each other on the time where
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: we both went into the casting office and she went
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in before me and I went in right after her,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: or maybe vice versa. But yeah, so I think we
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: weren't following each other. We come in at the same time,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: where like we just got back from his USA, and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: they probably saw that we weren't following each other and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, there's something there. I think they're that
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: good like they they would they would pick up on that.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe did you think she any photos together? Like you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: had photos together? Okay, yeah, we had photos together, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like down a little bit, not too far. I guess.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think she would have said
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: anything like oh I hate Caitlin. But just to give
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: me some clarity here, did either of you know that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the other person was there? I did. We were both
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: at this conference and she came in after her casting,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: So I guess did I go first? One of us
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: went in first, and she came back in and she
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: was like dressed up all cute and it was a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: conference where no one dressed up cute. And she told
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: one of our friends, she was like, I just got
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: back from the Bachelor casting and I was like, oh, shoot,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that's kind of when I found out. So like this
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was like before top fifty in the in LA casting,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Like this is when like you guys were casting in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: different states when they like do the tour yeah, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: when they're like if you're in LA, come by. Yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So we were both in LA. So we did like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the combine thing in the office. Oh wow, okay, very interesting.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I want to know what the producers were thinking at
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: this point. I mean, now, knowing how far and how
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: much of an impact you've had on Bachelor Nation, I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: want to know if they at the time were like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: holy cow, we just hit a jackpot, like two beautiful girls, charismatic,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: both know each other, have probably some storyline leading up
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to this, Like I bet they were freaking out. Yeah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: So then you show up night one, you see Hannah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: What went through your body at that point? I knew
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: because I was even in the hotel room when I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was talking producers. I was like, I know, Hannah's here
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and they were like what And I was like, no,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Hannah's here. I know it, and it's fine, Like I
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: don't care. We're like civil, we're fine. And then I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: saw her walk in and we were like talking. We
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: were like boastending by the bar, and she was like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to me and if you talked to me,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm so nervous. So we were like, we're fine.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I said, where did drama come from? Do you think
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that you guys were riled up by producers or do
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you think that like the feelings that you felt months
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: prior started to just regurgitate. Yeah, I mean, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: there's so many different factors, and it's easy to competition
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: jealous when you're competition like it just it was the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: perfect pot for us to kind of, I don't know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: hash out everything I really did, Like, how did you
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: start then talking about it? Well, Colton pulled me aside
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the night of the Pirate Date and was like, well,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Hannah said these things about you, and so I mean
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a little backstory with that. The reason it kind of
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: looks manipulative when you watch it back because I'm like
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: starting crying and I'm like, there's things that you don't know.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And so at the Pirate Date, I was still going
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: through my case with my sexual assaults and we were
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: at the point where we were settling with the school
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: because they had just done so many things wrong in
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: my case and they were like, you know, you can
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: take us to court or we can settle. And so
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I got a call about the case and it just
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: really upset me and the fact that this has now
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: been going on for you know, three years or four years,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm having to deal with this like have my
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: lawyers call producers and producers call me and tell me
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like it was just it was so frustrating and it
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: was really bad news that we got and it was
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: super upsetting, and I'm like four years and we have nothing, like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: there's nothing from this. So then Colton pulls me aside
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm already just like so upset and I've been
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: trying to mask it and then he brings that up
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is annoying and I'm dealing with others.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about that right now.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of and watching it back and like
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that looks manipulative and it wasn't. It was just me
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like trying to process what was going on in my
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: life outside of this world. Got it. Did you know
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: at this point then that the Hannah feud what like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: was it even on your mind? No? Because that date, Yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I was just like I remember, I was just focused
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: on Colton and I had the Pirate thing and I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: was like determined to win. I was like, I am
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: going to win this and it is obviously a little
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: rigged for me to win, but yeah, I was just
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: focused on like having fun and enjoying that Pirate date.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So if we watch a season back and we were
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: prepping for it, it kind of then like just it
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: went through a couple episodes, you and Hannah kind of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: feuding and then it just ends like why what happened?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I remember, I totally remember that night, and I was like,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I just I don't want to have this thing. I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to like there's no fight to be had.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And it was from my side of things. It was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like me at Miss USA, like processing things differently and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: me being passive, way way way too passive and just
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: being like not being able to vocalize, like hey, this
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: upsets me whatever. There was just no big thing, and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like Also the producers they were like,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: we don't know how to deal with this. We've never
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: had two people outside of the show like have two
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: different things coming on because we don't know how to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: hash this out. And so I was like, well, let's
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: just or I don't think it was my idea, but
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it was someone's idea for me to grab Hannah and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just be civil and be like this is stupid, this
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: is really dumb. We both like Colton, let's move on.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Let's like be friendly. We don't have to be best friends,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: but we can be friendly not have to be separated
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: all the time. And I remember that next day after
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the fight, we got a nailsten together and we were talking.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Everything was fine, which sounds crazy, but I do know
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it worked for us. Do you guys like you solved
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: your relationship problem there in the moment, but you guys
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: were never going to be best friends ever again? How
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: did it feel that she became Bachelorette? And mean, like,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you got Miss USA runner up and then she got Bachelorette.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: There must have been some envy there. I'm trying to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: think back. I remember getting the call that it wasn't
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: me for Bachelorette, and I was like, dang, that kind
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of sucks. But and then I found out it was
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: her at Woman tell All. We all kind of knew
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: at Woman tall All that it was her, and it hurt.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: It definitely hurt, but I mean, yeah, it's done, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I was upset and I was like I kind of
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: was led to believe that it was mine and then
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: suddenly it wasn't and it was Hannah's. And you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: looking back on previous seasons, it's always been in the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: top four, and then for them to branch out and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: pick Hannah, I was just it hurts and I just
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: felt like, I don't know, like I was. I don't know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I just have so many thoughts on this issue, Caitlyn,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think I just had a weird thought? Do
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you think you guys would have confronted and fixed things
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the show. No, I think it
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: would have been a thing where the friendship didn't work
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: out and we just go our separate ways. It's wow
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and the show can do that, isn't it. Yeah? Hey, Caylen,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: let's take one more break. When we come back, we're
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: going to touch on your season of the Bachelor with
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Colton Underwood, your relationship with Cassie, and then close up
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: with I think a really really fun segment talking about
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: your relationship with Dean and your other boyfriend. Do you
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: consider him a boyfriend Pappy? Oh No, he's my son. No, son, son, Sorry,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: son Happy. We'll be back with Kaylan Miller Keys. We're
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: back with Kaylan Miller Keys. Kaylan, We've talked about a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: lot of the things leading up to this point, but
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: you were on The Bachelor dating a man named Colton Underwood.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll just start with a general question. Were
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you excited for Colton to be a Bachelor? No? And
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I told him that I'm like, maybe the second or
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: third episode, I was like, I was really hoping for Jason,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and when it wasn't him, I was like, all right,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: might as well still, you know, go and have fun.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But I was pleasantly surprised by Colton. I just he's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: not the type of person that I would like typically date.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Do you've I mean, we've had a few people now
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: do in depths from Colton season. It feels like that's
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the common response that we get is we weren't excited
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: for him to be the bachelor. We were pleasantly surprised,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: but he still wasn't the type of person we would date.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Was that a theme in the house. Yeah, I know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like some people definitely had deep connections with him, and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: most of the girls were like sitting in their bunk beds,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like I don't really care about him. And I was like, guys,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: there's cameras, like they can pick up on this. You
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: can't just say that. But there were a lot of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: girls who just weren't super interested. You definitely weren't one
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of those girls, though I felt like you genuinely did
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: have feelings. It's just so weird. It's so weird now
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: looking back, but in the moment, yes I did. I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: definitely had feelings, and he was just Colton's a great
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: guy and he was great at making everyone feel special,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and I definitely did have feelings forever ago. Do you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: At what point then did it start to switch for you?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, if this would have been you at the end,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: what would you have done? If it was us at
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: the end, we would not still be together. We're just
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: too different and him and Cassie are like a perfect match.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it just it never would have worked with us.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I need someone like Dean to just mellow me out
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and make me not take life too seriously, not wear
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: makeup things like that. A guy like Dean Well, good
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: news team. We're gonna be talking about Dean Ungler just
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Why do you think there was so
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: much tension between the other girls in the house and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: then you and Cassie. There really wasn't up until like
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: the end, but we were like friends with everyone. But
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: we just had such a close, close friendship, unlike any
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: friendship either of us have ever had. We were just
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: like best best friends and it only seemed weird to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of the girls. So, like, you can't be
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: this close and developed feelings for a guy the same guy,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and I get that, but we were so good at
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: separating the two and we just wouldn't talk about it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And that's the only way we could remain friends was
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: just to be like I'm in my mind, I was like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna present like you guys don't have a strong relationship.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend like he doesn't like you, because that's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: gonna help me to be your best friend. It seemed
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like you and Cassie were hanging out together in LA
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and such before the season started airing, but wall Cassie
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and Colton were together. Was it weird seeing him with
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: her so soon after you had feelings for him? Yeah,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I remember when I found out that they were together,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and that same pit that I had in my stomach
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: when Sarah went with Usa, I had when I found
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: out that they were together, because I felt I was like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: for sure, it's Hannah Godwin, I know they're together, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, now me and Cassie can just do
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: our thing and like and then she I found out
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that it was him that Cassie was with him, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, like what and that
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: same thing. I pushed it out. I was like, I
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: can't be jealous. I have to be happy for her.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: It didn't work out for us, but I hope it
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: works out for them, And that was kind of my mindset.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But it was weird. The first time I saw him,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was super uncomfortable and just didn't
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: know how to act, and I think he kind of
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: felt the same way. We just wanted to be respectful
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of Cassie. So you thought I was going to be
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Hannah in the end, which she makes me curious as
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: to think. Would do you think that you would have
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: been as close with Cassie if you thought that she
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: was actually the one who won his heart. Yeah, I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: just because the way that we processed it in our brains,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it was like we just both believed that the other
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: didn't have a strong relationship, and I guess I believed
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it so much to the point where I was like,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it has to be Hannah. I don't know, it's weird
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: to think about, but I did. I did subconsciously know
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: like they had a strong relationship. But she also didn't
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: tell me the things, like the small things that he
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: did for her, Like she told me he took her
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: back to his room in Thailand. But she didn't tell
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: me that he was giving her gifts like every single
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: episode and that because she knew that would have hurt me,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and I would have probably known. Did she not think
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that she was the front runner? At times? She told
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: me she didn't, but yeah, she did it for a while.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Interesting And then there was rumors that you, you know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: were hanging out with Colton before Women Tell All was tape.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But then at Women Tell All you made it seem
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: like you weren't over him at all. In hindsight, it
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was that kind of like an emotional outburst because you
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: thought that it would up your chances of being the bachelorette. Yeah, okay,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you advised certain ways, and I was like, screw it.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: If this is my last chance, let's try it. And
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I had a little birdie in my ear
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: telling me people think you're fake, people think you weren't
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: actually didn't have actually have feelings for him, People never
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: really saw you a mote, So this is your chance.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I'm going to go
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: out with a bang. And so just to be clear
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: there though, did you have feelings for Yeah? No, I did.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I did I did have feelings for him, and I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: just remember being dumped and oh, I was just like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me? And now if you just met
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: my whole family and I have to go home to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: my family, like there's no way it's over between us.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And I remember calling producers every day for like I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: don't even know, five days maybe, and I was like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: he made a mistake. I'm telling you right now, he
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: made a mistake, Like I'm coming back. And they said,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you know what, Lauren said the same thing when Ari
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: dumped her, and they were like, let's let it play
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: out a couple days. Let's see what happens. If he
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: feels the same way, we'll let you come back. So
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I was determined. I was like, I know it's me
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: And then you know, the initial heartbreak, you get over it,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh wait no, that was like
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that's not meant to be at all. Yeah. Yeah, so
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: you were, Yeah, you were, you had the feelings, but
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you were definitely over by women tell all, oh yeah,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: all the honesty is so fantastic. All right, So you
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and Cassie are you still as close as you were then? Now? Yeah,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: we are. We're still super close. It's just hard to
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Our schedules are so different and obviously not our quarantine.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: But I just talking to her yesterday on the phone,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: but we are still close. It's hard to get back
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to that like level of closeness that we were on
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the show when there's no phones, it's just you any
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: other person. Like it's just a great way to build
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: friendships in that environment. I completely agree because there are
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: some girls from my season that, like I was thinking
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: getting off the season, those are going to be bridesmaids
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in my wedding one day. And then those girls, well
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: they were invited to my wedding, but they didn't even come.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, No, it's tough and I don't know.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: We still are super close and I'm super thankful for that.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: But getting to that same closeness where there's no distractions
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and it's just like noes and you just get to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: live your life free of any any distraction imaginable, it's
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Recently, Colton came out with a book and
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he mentions you in it a lot, a lot. What
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts. I've only heard about me and Hannah
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be stuff. I haven't heard about anything else. But I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think it's because you were one of the people right
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: off the bat that he was like, Okay, she's getting far.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: You were his first kiss? Yeah, well not really, oh
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: not really. They made it seem like that who was
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: his first kiss? Then I want to say Katie, but
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong or yeah, I don't know, but I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: get why I'm in the book. I don't know. I
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: just hate reliving The Bachelor because I don't know. I
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: was twenty three going on the show. I didn't know
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: who I was. I was so insecure. I was just
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: a very different version of myself. So it's hard for
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: me to like look back at that time and remember
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: fond memories. Well, I feel like a lot of girls
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: said that about you. A lot of them noticed that
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you grew and matured a lot between the break between
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Paradise and The Bachelor. What do you think happened? Then?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I think I just woke up and I shook off
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: this pageantry side of me and I was like, this
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: is so fake, this is not me, and I just
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: need to be myself, Like no one wants this perfectly
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: prim let's you know, speak on both sides. Person Like
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: just I was like, I'm just going to be myself
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and if that works. That works all right. So now
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: we're in Paradise and you had some drama with Blake
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: that we're not even going to bother with right now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But I want to know the feeling that you had
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: when Dean walked down those stairs. Was it love at
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: first sights? Because I'd say for most women it is.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: For me, it was for those men and women, I said, say, actually,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: so Dean and I actually met in March, maybe, yeah, right,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the season finale of my season airing is the first
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: day that we met. And it was at like through
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a mutual friend. It was like super brief, like hey, hey,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: like how are you? How are you? And I remember
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: walking out and being like, one, he is so tall,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and two his eyes are so blue. He's so handsome,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and so when he came down to the beach, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: was like just reminded of how attractive he is. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I remember talking to him and I was just like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I was a mess that day. You started drinking so
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: early and the heat and you have like two drinks
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and it's just too much. So I was a mess,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, there's no way he's going
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: to take me on the state. Like I just acted
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like a freaking lunatic. And then he asks me and
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, and I was so
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: excited to go on the state with him. But I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: remember the whole time we were on the date. I
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: was like I remember even asking producers. I was like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: is this a friend thing or are we on a date?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Like I have no idea, And so we're talking going
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: through the date. I'm starting to like him more and more,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and then we jump into the pool and the producer
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: is like kiss him, kiss him, and then I like
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: spin us because he's holding me in the water and
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the producer's like kiss her, kiss her, and we're both
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: like spinning each other because no one wants to make
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the first move. And then finally he did, and I
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, it's another friend thing? What and like
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what a magical moment that was watching it because to
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: see Dean really pursue I mean anybody publicly still feels
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: a little weird for me, to be honest, because I
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: just know him privately, and I'm like, I don't think
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: this comes naturally to him, Like I think he likes
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff private, but he obviously felts
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: something with you. We got to see your story play out. Obviously,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Dean leaves and comes back, So I'll ask you the
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: same question. What was it like to see him show
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: up the second time? I was so happy and I
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to like be the cool girl, and he tried
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: to hold my hand and I was like, nope, you
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: have to work for it, like you left me on
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: my birthday, Absolutely not, And so I was so happy.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I remember waking up the next day after he dumped me,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and I was just you know when you wake up
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, like I still thought
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: we were together, Like I don't know, I just the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: whole day I was looking around for him on the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: beach and I was so I just wanted to see him.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And at the wedding, this didn't get showed, but I
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: was like frying the entire time. Yeah. Yeah, but that
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: was the part I was going to bring you. Guys
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: both saw me. Yeah, that was the part I was
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: going to bring up. I was like, Dean, you idiot. Like,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: so Dean goes down. So here's a little backstore here.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: So Dean goes down to Paradise, saying telling all his friends,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: definitely he was not going to get into a relationship. Yeah,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that he was just going down there to have a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: good time and and he didn't want to get into
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: trouble again, right, He just didn't want to have a
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: bad storyline. And so I remember my very last conversation
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: with him, probably very soon before he left, was like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: just don't do something stupid, Like, just don't be stupid, Dean. Okay,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: flash forward into the wedding, and obviously we're talking about
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Chris in Crystal's wedding, and we all are there, for
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: all of us here that are on this on this podcast,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and I show up and I'm like, I'm so pumped
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to see Dean. And I see you there sad and crying,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what happened? I asked somebody, and they
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: tell me, yesterday, the day before the wedding, right her birthday,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: your birthday, Dean had broken up with you. And my
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: first response was, Dean, oh, you idiot. And I saw
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Caylen sitting over there, and I was just like, Okay,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: she looks like as heartbroken as I was in Paradise
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: with Jared. So I was like, I can tell like
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: genuine heartbreak sadness when I see it. So I go
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: over to her and I'm like, Kaylen, I feel so
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: bad for you, like I'm feeling so much empathy. I go,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: but like, I love Dean. He's like one of the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: most sparkling creatures I've ever met inside and out. But
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: that man is not ready for a relationship. And he'll
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: tell anyone that here we are, here we are a
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: year later, and you guys are still together, which is magical.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: It is so crazy. Oh, that was a brutal day
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: for me. I was just I remember being pulled out
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of my interview because I was crying too hard, and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: of course it doesn't get showed. It makes it look like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: oh Connor, like I'm so into Connor. But I was
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: like I had to take Hannah Godwin's makeup bag and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: like from her and pull out something that Dylan had
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in his pocket of her makeup, just to like, I mean,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I was Tia and Becka Kufriin saw me in the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: bathroom just a mess, like ugly, ugly crying. Connor wants
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to talk to you, and I was like what, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: so I don't know. It's just a terrible day for me.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: But even though you were like saying you're interested in
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: talking to Connor. I was like, Connor will always be
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: her second place, honestly, and I tried to fill that
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: boy that I was missing the Dean with And then
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Deanie came back and I was like, thank goodness, I
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: was so happy. Yeah, I can't think of anything. It's
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: almost funny. I'm sorry for laughing, but it's almost funny
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to think that you get broken up with by a
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: man you love. Obviously we know that now, and then
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: you have to show up to a wedding with all
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: of his friends the next day. Like how brutal is that? Oh,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it was not fun. It was one of the worst days, honestly.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And we can laugh about it now, obviously because you
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: two are together, yes, and you're happy. We are very happy.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: We are quarantine together and sometimes we get on each
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: other's nerves, but for the most part we get along great.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: We just like have our separate bedrooms. Can we clarify
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: why he even broke up with you in the first
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: place in Paradise? Was it truly? Because like his mentality
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: going in was don't get in a relationship, And then
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, gotta stick to the original mentality. Yes,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Because I pulled him aside and I was like, what
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: is this and he was like, I told you, Like,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not. He's like, I got I have a music
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: festival to get to in a week. And I was like, Dean,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: this goes on for two and a half more weeks
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I gotta I'm going to head
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: out of here soon, Like he was determined just to
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: not leave in a relationship. How are you so forgiving? Like,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and I say this because like, Dean is one of
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite people in the world. I consider one of
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: my best friends. I love him dearly, but I like
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I also some like Dean's the type of person you
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: just like want to like shake him most of the time.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: How are you so forgiving? There is just something that
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I have never felt with anyone that I feel with Dean.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, of course, I'll take you back. Like the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: second he came down, it may have looked like there
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: was some contemplating going on, but I was like, oh
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: my gosh, Like my heart is with you for sure.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we knew you were trying to be a
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: whole cool girl. You're like gonna try to pretend like
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you're going to take him back, but you had to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: give him a couple of minutes of being nervous. But
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: there is some that I feel like all of us
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: here can agree on that. Dean is just like he
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: has something where if he looks at you and smiles,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you cannot deny him. Yes, it is ridiculous. You've got
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: to come in here. Don't let him come in here.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want him to hear this. He doesn't need
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: to hear us raving about him. Yeah. Yeah, I'd prefer
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: he never hears me say anything good about him. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: All right. So you guys are together now, you've been
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: together for almost a year. You've pretty much lived together
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: because you know, Dean's a nomad and when he's not
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: on an adventure pretty much always with you, he's at
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: your apartment, which is kind of shared with both of you.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: But you have been really secretive about certain big milestones
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: in your relationship. Like I remember asking Dean like, have
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you guys said I love you? And stuff? And he's like,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like yeah, no, yeah, no, and so
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: can you tell us like have you guys said I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: love you? And when was the moment I was thinking
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: about that today? I was like, Kim, are we saying that?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, whatever, Yes, I love him a whole lot.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I told him, gosh, I don't even know. Maybe when
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: we were in Saint Lucia it was the first time
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I told him. So you told him first. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: It sounds like definitely something you would have to do.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, oh for sure, there's no way
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: he's doing it first. And he said it back, not immediately,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: not for a while. I guess I shouldn't say I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: want to know about Pappy. So we talked about Pappy
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: at the beginning. I've been able to meet Pappy. Ashley's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: met Pappy. Caitlin, you're not a mom. What does Pappy
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: mean to you? Okay? I feel like a crazy dog mom.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And when people like post their dog all the time
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and how much they love them, I've never understood because
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I've never had a dog on my own. But I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: just didn't know that I could love something this much
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: like I love him more and more every single day.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: He's just my son, and I don't know when he
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: looks up at me and just stares at me. He's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: doing it now, That's why we're He's doing it right
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: now as we talk. He is, Kayln, I understand so
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: much because like I don't understand being like a person
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: mom yet like a baby mom. So when people post
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: about their baby, I'm like, that's great, but like, how
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: could it be better than my dog? Like truly, I'm like,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think it could get better? Like can I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: love something and think something is cuter than my dog? Seriously?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And Dean and I are whole camera roll. We take
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: like a hundred photos of him a day and like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: one hundred videos. Anytime you like sticks his tongue out,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: We're like, come here, come here, come here. You got
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to see this. Like we are very obsessed with him.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: He's a beautiful dog. It's a beautiful story, Kaylan. Last
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: question about Pappy. There was a you know, I don't know,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: a couple months ago you and Dean were deciding on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: keeping Pappy or not. Was it ever a question in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: your mind if you were going to continue to allow
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Pappy to be a part of your family. Yes. So
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I left for Bali for like a week and a half,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: and Dean was obviously with Pappy the whole time, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Pappy's behavior changed drastically and he became much more misbehaved,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and so I was like, I just don't know if
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: we can keep this dog. He was like peeing everywhere.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: He was barking and he never barked before. And I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, we were traveling in hotels, we
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: were about to get kicked out because he was barking
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: so much. And so that was the only time. But
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: then once I started parenting him again, he started behaving more,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: but being in quarantine, like, I can't imagine not having him. Yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Dean as a parent, He's gonna be a great dad.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: He is. Oh, he's gonna be such a good dad.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: But I know, no, but I love to see. Sorry, Yeah,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I just know, I think. Yeah, please tell us if
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I think is a big good dad. No, he is.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like I just made him sound like a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: bad dog dog. But he is like the best dog.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I don't min He loves Pappy so much and he's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: great to him. Well, Kaylen, that's the hard part. You've
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: made it through the gauntlet of questions. We appreciate your vulnerability.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I've appreciated hearing your stories. I've learned a lot about
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: pageants and and also just your strength. And so now
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it's off to Ashley for her famous rapid fire round.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: All right, what's your favorite adventure you've been on with Dean? Oh, Guatemala,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: hiking a volcano. Okay, why is that just because it
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: was hiking a volcano? Yeah, it was so cool. It
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: was we hiked, we slept on a volcano which was dormant,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: and then we hiked an active volcano and it was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: just the most incredible thing to see interrupting at night.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And I definitely complained a lot, and Dean and I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: got into an argument about my complaining. But looking back,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this happens off and where I like fight
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: him on the things that he tries to push me on,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: and then I look back and like, that was the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: best experience of my life. How were you able to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: adapt to this kind of adventure with him? Because it's extreme.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not just going on a hike of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: running canyon, which is honestly pretty extreme for me. That's
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: like a real cardiovascular intense workout. And then you are
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like going all over the place like sleeping intents when
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like a hotel snob, so like, please educate us.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like loving someone and loving the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: things that they're passionate about and growing with them. And
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: he actually just told me right before we started this
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that he bought me some rock climbing shoes. So he's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: going to teach me how to rock climb stone, which
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: will be interesting. But I don't know. I think it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: just comes with loving the things that they love because
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: they love it and you love them. Wow, you're special. Okay.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So what has been something that you have taught him
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: to love that he wouldn't love? Yeah? Like, because if
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you he taught you how to love adventure in the outdoors,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: then what's the vice versa of that? Uh? Maybe first
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: class in an airplane probably? What is your plain necessity
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: on all these long travels? Oh? I have to have
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: CBD oil because I get such bad anxiety with surbulence.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So it just kind of helps me like relax and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: not clench the arm rest the whole time. Dean does
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of projects around the house, whether that's like
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: making you furniture or working on the car. What's the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: most impressive thing he's done, like hardwar like like to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: go to manual labor. Thank you. I was gonna say
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: that he has to go to the hardware store, for
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I love our benches that he built. But I think
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that he did his ban himself, Like now
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: you can have people, you know, scrap your van like
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: the interior and make it all new, but he did
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: it all himself, and it's I think it's pretty cool,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: but he did that. What is your favorite food to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: deliver that you always agree is a good idea? Pizza?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Have you spoken about children? No? But weirdly, my Google
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: pop like picks articles that they think will be of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: interest in me, and it said Dan Uncler talks about
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: kids with Kaielan and so I read it and apparently
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: apparently he's opening up to it. So that's good. Are
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: you surprised that you guys have lasted as long as
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you have since Bachelor Nation? Is so surprised? At first,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I was like treating this relationship like it was it
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  Speaker 1: It sounds really bad, but I like it was going
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  Speaker 1: to end, and the way that I was like preparing
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  Speaker 1: my heart because I couldn't deal with that heartbreak again.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, he's probably going to
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  Speaker 1: get tired of me soon. But then like the more
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  Speaker 1: we get to know each other, the more we traveled together,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like this is actually something. And finally,
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  Speaker 1: what is the most annoying thing that he's been doing
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  Speaker 1: during quarantine, And what does he think The most annoying
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  Speaker 1: thing that you've been doing during quarantine is his? For
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  Speaker 1: sure is Call of Duty. I hate that game, but
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  Speaker 1: also I like, we had a conversation about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I can't really be mad at you
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  Speaker 1: because what is there to do in quarantine And if
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  Speaker 1: it's something that makes you happy, fine do it and
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  Speaker 1: play it. And I think the annoying thing that I
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  Speaker 1: do in quarantine is just nag him about Call of Duty? Amazing,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Kaylin? And this was a long haul. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you did it to us for an hour and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get three more minutes from you? Though? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So we we always liked ind it this way because
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  Speaker 1: you're you're obviously one of Bacter Nation's favorite. You have
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  Speaker 1: an incredible story to tell you shared it with us today.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there listening to this
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  Speaker 1: that are big fans of you, and we're fans of
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  Speaker 1: the listeners. Kaylin. If I gave you the platform, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you now the stage, what would
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  Speaker 1: you say to anybody listening who supported you, love you,
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  Speaker 1: cared about you Along the way, I would just say
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much. I get DMS and people are like,
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  Speaker 1: I see you, I see your heart. I've watched you
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  Speaker 1: of alve, I've watched you change, and thank you for
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  Speaker 1: sticking by my side as I am in my early
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  Speaker 1: twenties and just learning about myself during this time. So
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being supportive, thank you for sharing your
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  Speaker 1: stories of you know, different things that you've been through.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very appreciative, so sweet. Yeah, You're awesome. Kaylin Miller Keys,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining Ashley and I on the Almost Famous
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  Speaker 1: in Depth Podcast. Now follow along. I will start Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: you obviously know what to do, and then Kaylan join
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  Speaker 1: on in. Hey, guys, this has been another episode of
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  Speaker 1: the Almost Famous in Depth Podcast. Today a really special guest,
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  Speaker 1: somebody that we care about daily, Kaylin Miller Keys with us.
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  Speaker 1: But hey, if you can go to wherever you listen
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  Speaker 1: I've been Ben, I've been, Ashley, and I've been Kaylin.
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