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167: Chuck Klein - MLB · Sports History Network

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a.
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Moment
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you
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win
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baseball's
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triple
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crown
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by
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leading
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the
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league
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in
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home
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runs,
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RBI
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and
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batting
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average.
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A
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year
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earlier,
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you
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won
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the
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mvp.
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You
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lead
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the
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league
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in
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total
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bases
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for
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four
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straight
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years,
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and
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you
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are
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just
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one
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of
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two
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players,
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along
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with
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Lou
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Gehrig,
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to
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be
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on
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the
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total
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bases
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single
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season
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leaders
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list
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twice.
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And
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there
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is
1:34
more.
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Six
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times
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you
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lead
1:36
the
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National
1:37
League
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in
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outfield
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assists
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and
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still
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hold
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the
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record
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with
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44
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in
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a
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single
1:41
season.
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Yet
1:43
when
1:43
you
1:44
hear
1:44
the
1:44
name
1:45
Chuck
1:45
Kline,
1:45
you
1:46
don't
1:46
know
1:46
much
1:46
about
1:47
his
1:47
career.
1:48
Well,
1:48
next
1:48
on
1:49
Sports
1:49
Forgotten
1:50
Heroes,
1:50
we're
1:50
going
1:50
to
1:51
dive
1:51
in
1:51
and
1:52
talk
1:52
about
1:52
the
1:52
hall
1:52
of
1:53
Fame
1:53
career
1:53
of
1:53
the
1:53
baseball
1:54
great
1:54
Chuck
1:55
Klein.
1:57
This
1:57
is
1:57
Sports
1:58
Forgotten
1:58
Heroes,
1:59
a
1:59
tribute
2:00
to
2:00
the
2:00
stars
2:00
who
2:01
shaped
2:01
the
2:01
games
2:01
we
2:01
love
2:02
to
2:02
watch
2:02
and
2:02
the
2:03
games
2:03
we
2:03
love
2:03
to
2:04
play.
2:04
Stars
2:05
who
2:05
provided
2:05
us
2:05
with
2:06
many
2:06
thrills,
2:06
but
2:07
when
2:07
their
2:07
time
2:07
was
2:07
up,
2:08
they
2:08
faded
2:09
away.
2:09
We'll
2:10
take
2:10
a
2:10
look
2:10
back
2:10
at
2:10
their
2:11
spectacular
2:11
careers,
2:12
their
2:12
moments
2:12
of
2:13
fame,
2:13
even
2:13
if
2:13
it
2:14
was
2:14
just
2:14
for
2:14
one
2:14
season
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or
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just
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one
2:16
game.
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And
2:17
now,
2:17
here's
2:17
your
2:17
host,
2:18
Warren
2:19
Rogan.
2:20
Hello
2:20
and
2:20
welcome
2:20
to
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Sports
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forgotten
2:21
heroes.
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Episode
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167
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Chuck
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Klein.
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Now,
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Chuck
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Klein
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is
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not
2:28
a
2:28
name
2:28
that
2:28
many
2:29
baseball
2:29
fans
2:29
are
2:29
familiar
2:30
with,
2:30
but
2:30
they
2:31
should
2:31
be.
2:32
At
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one
2:32
time,
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he
2:33
was
2:33
called
2:33
the
2:33
Babe
2:34
Ruth
2:34
of
2:34
the
2:34
National
2:35
League.
2:36
The
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numbers
2:36
he
2:37
posted
2:37
during
2:37
the
2:37
first
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half
2:38
dozen
2:38
years
2:38
of
2:39
his
2:39
career
2:39
are
2:40
staggering.
2:41
His
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first
2:41
full
2:42
season,
2:42
1929,
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he
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connected
2:44
for
2:45
a
2:45
league
2:45
leading
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43
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homers,
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knocked
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in
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145
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and
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hit.356.
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His
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second
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full
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year,
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he
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hit
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40
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home
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runs,
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knocked
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in
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170
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and
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hit.386.
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He
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followed
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that
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with
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31
3:01
taters,
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121
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RBIs
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and
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a.337
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batting
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average.
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In
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1932,
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he
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won
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the
3:09
MVP
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and
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followed
3:10
that
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up
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with
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an
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incredible
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season
3:12
in
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1933
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when
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he
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won
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the
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Triple
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Crown
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with
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28
3:16
home
3:16
runs,
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120
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RBI
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and
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a.368
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batting
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average.
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As
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awesome
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as
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those
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numbers
3:23
are,
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the
3:24
numbers
3:24
he
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posted
3:25
for
3:25
total
3:26
bases
3:27
are
3:27
even
3:27
better.
3:28
And
3:29
joining
3:29
me
3:29
today
3:30
to
3:30
talk
3:30
about
3:30
those
3:31
numbers
3:31
and
3:31
so
3:32
much
3:32
more
3:32
about
3:32
the
3:33
career
3:33
of
3:33
Chuck
3:33
Klein
3:34
is
3:34
the
3:34
host
3:35
of
3:35
the
3:35
podcast
3:36
Midnight
3:37
Library
3:37
of
3:38
Baseball,
3:39
Ben
3:39
Orlando.
3:41
Ben
3:41
and
3:41
I
3:41
will
3:42
dive
3:42
in
3:42
deep
3:42
on
3:42
the
3:43
career
3:43
of
3:43
Klein
3:43
and
3:44
explore
3:45
reasons
3:45
why
3:45
Klein
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might
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be
3:46
so
3:47
lightly
3:47
regarded
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and
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so
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lightly
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remembered,
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despite
3:50
the
3:50
fact
3:51
that
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he
3:51
was
3:51
finally
3:52
inducted
3:52
into
3:52
the
3:53
Baseball
3:53
hall
3:53
of
3:54
fame
3:54
in
3:54
1980.
3:57
Before
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we
3:57
get
3:57
there,
3:58
a
3:58
few
3:58
reminders.
3:58
Please
3:59
follow
3:59
Sports
3:59
Forgotten
4:00
Heroes
4:00
on
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X@SportsFheroes.
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Look
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for
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the
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Sports
4:04
Forgotten
4:04
Heroes
4:05
page
4:05
on
4:05
Facebook.
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don't
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forget,
4:08
you
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can
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watch
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Sports
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forgotten
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on
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YouTube
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as
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well.
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Just
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search
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for
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the
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Sports
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Forgotten
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Heroes
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if
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you
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can
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please
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subscribe
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to
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wherever
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it
4:20
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you
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are
4:21
listening,
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give
4:22
it
4:22
a
4:22
like
4:23
a
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4:23
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4:24
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4:24
if
4:25
you
4:25
can,
4:25
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4:26
nice
4:26
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4:27
as
4:27
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4:28
And
4:28
of
4:28
course,
4:29
as
4:29
always,
4:30
I
4:30
thank.
4:31
You
4:31
for
4:31
your
4:32
support.
4:33
And
4:33
hey,
4:34
my
4:34
first
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book,
4:35
College
4:36
All
4:36
Stars
4:36
vs.
4:37
NFL
4:37
Champions,
4:38
is
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now
4:39
available
4:39
on
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Amazon.com
4:41
and
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and
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mcfarlandbooks.com
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if
4:44
you
4:45
are
4:45
a
4:45
sports
4:46
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a
4:46
big
4:46
college
4:47
football
4:47
fan,
4:47
or
4:48
an
4:48
NFL
4:48
fan,
4:49
this
4:49
book
4:50
takes
4:50
a
4:50
look
4:51
back
4:51
at
4:52
the
4:52
Chicago
4:52
charities
4:53
College
4:54
All
4:54
Star
4:54
Game
4:55
was
4:55
a
4:55
series
4:55
of
4:56
games
4:56
pitting
4:56
a
4:57
team
4:57
of
4:57
college
4:58
football
4:58
all
4:58
stars
4:59
against
4:59
the
4:59
defending
5:00
NFL
5:01
champions
5:01
and
5:02
it
5:02
was
5:02
played
5:02
from
5:03
1934
5:04
through
5:04
1976.
5:06
You
5:06
might
5:06
be
5:07
surprised
5:07
to
5:07
know
5:08
that
5:08
the
5:08
college
5:09
team
5:09
won
5:09
nearly
5:10
25%
5:12
of
5:12
the
5:12
games.
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Again,
5:13
you
5:14
can
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order
5:14
a
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copy
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5:32
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5:38
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we'll
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5:44
that
5:44
signed
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5:45
to
5:45
you.
5:46
Okay,
5:47
let's
5:47
get
5:47
into
5:47
today's
5:48
show
5:48
about
5:48
Chuck
5:49
Kleiner.
5:49
My
5:49
guest,
5:50
Ben
5:51
Orlando.
5:53
Joining
5:53
me
5:53
now
5:54
on
5:54
Sports
5:54
Forgotten
5:55
Heroes
5:56
is
5:56
the
5:56
host
5:57
of
5:57
the
5:57
Midnight
5:58
Library
5:58
of
5:59
Baseball,
6:00
Ben
6:00
Orlando.
6:01
Ben,
6:01
welcome
6:02
to
6:02
Sports
6:02
Forgotten
6:03
Heroes.
6:03
Thanks
6:04
Warren.
6:04
Really
6:05
happy
6:05
to
6:05
be
6:05
here.
6:07
Great.
6:07
I'm
6:08
so
6:08
glad
6:09
we
6:09
can
6:10
get
6:10
together
6:11
to
6:11
discuss
6:12
really
6:14
a
6:14
terrific
6:15
baseball
6:16
player,
6:16
a
6:17
guy
6:17
who
6:18
when
6:18
you
6:18
look
6:19
back
6:19
at
6:19
the
6:19
history
6:20
of
6:20
baseball
6:22
is,
6:22
is
6:23
truly
6:23
overlooked,
6:25
Chuck
6:25
Klein.
6:28
Before
6:28
we
6:28
do
6:28
get
6:29
into
6:30
our
6:30
discussion
6:31
about
6:31
Chuck,
6:31
why
6:32
don't
6:32
you
6:32
tell
6:32
me
6:32
a
6:32
little
6:32
bit
6:33
about
6:33
your
6:33
podcast
6:34
and
6:35
and
6:35
then
6:36
what
6:37
interested
6:38
you
6:38
about
6:38
Chuck
6:39
and
6:39
how
6:39
you
6:39
discovered
6:40
him?
6:40
Sure.
6:41
So
6:43
I
6:43
got,
6:44
I,
6:44
I
6:44
created
6:45
Midnight
6:45
Library
6:45
Baseball
6:46
as
6:46
a
6:48
a
6:48
project
6:49
to
6:49
help
6:50
I'm
6:51
going
6:51
to
6:51
expand
6:51
and
6:51
connect
6:52
with
6:52
people
6:54
based
6:54
on
6:54
a
6:54
book
6:54
that
6:55
I
6:55
wrote,
6:55
a
6:56
novel
6:56
about
6:57
a
6:57
female
6:57
knuckleball
6:58
pitcher.
7:00
And
7:01
it's
7:02
funny,
7:02
in
7:02
the
7:02
process
7:04
of
7:05
doing
7:05
the
7:05
podcast,
7:05
the
7:06
book
7:06
deal
7:06
fell
7:07
through
7:08
and
7:08
like
7:08
the
7:09
podcast
7:09
became
7:10
this
7:10
entity
7:11
of,
7:12
you
7:12
know,
7:12
in
7:12
itself.
7:13
And
7:13
recently
7:15
I
7:15
found
7:15
a
7:15
publisher
7:16
for
7:16
my
7:17
book.
7:17
So
7:18
next
7:18
year,
7:19
this
7:19
book,
7:20
the
7:20
tentative
7:21
title
7:21
right
7:21
now
7:21
is
7:22
Throwing
7:22
a
7:22
Butterfly.
7:23
It's
7:23
about
7:23
a
7:23
Again,
7:23
a
7:23
female
7:24
knuckleball
7:24
pitcher
7:25
and
7:27
that's
7:28
coming
7:28
out
7:28
next
7:28
year.
7:29
So
7:29
everything's,
7:29
everything's
7:30
circling
7:30
back,
7:30
coming
7:31
together.
7:31
But
7:32
I,
7:32
I'd
7:32
done
7:33
podcasts
7:34
before.
7:34
I
7:34
had
7:34
a
7:34
pretty
7:35
serious
7:35
history
7:36
podcast
7:36
called
7:36
History
7:37
Repeating
7:37
Itself
7:37
where
7:38
I
7:38
would
7:39
put
7:40
together,
7:40
it
7:40
was
7:40
kind
7:40
of
7:40
like
7:40
Freakonomics
7:41
or,
7:43
you
7:43
know,
7:44
this
7:44
American
7:44
Life.
7:45
I
7:45
put
7:46
together
7:46
interviews
7:46
from
7:47
experts
7:47
and
7:47
scholars
7:48
and
7:48
look
7:48
at
7:49
overlooked
7:50
topics
7:50
in
7:50
history.
7:51
So
7:52
I
7:52
came
7:52
at
7:52
this
7:53
project
7:53
the
7:53
same
7:54
way
7:54
for
7:55
Baseball,
7:55
the
7:55
Overlooked
7:56
Stories.
7:58
Or
7:58
if
7:58
you've
7:58
heard
7:59
this
7:59
story
7:59
before,
8:00
here's
8:00
another
8:00
way
8:00
to
8:01
look
8:01
at
8:01
it.
8:02
And
8:02
so
8:02
I'm
8:03
really
8:04
wanting
8:04
people
8:05
to
8:05
connect
8:05
intellectually
8:06
that
8:06
way
8:06
it's
8:06
like,
8:07
ah,
8:07
or
8:08
wow,
8:08
I
8:08
never
8:08
thought
8:08
of
8:09
it
8:09
that
8:09
way.
8:09
But
8:10
also
8:10
I'm,
8:11
I'm,
8:11
I'm
8:12
wanting
8:12
people
8:13
to
8:13
connect
8:13
on
8:13
an
8:13
emotional
8:14
level.
8:15
So
8:16
what
8:17
these
8:17
stories
8:17
mean
8:17
and
8:18
how
8:18
it
8:18
can
8:18
hit
8:18
on
8:19
something
8:21
deeper
8:22
and
8:22
you
8:22
know,
8:23
the
8:23
End
8:23
of
8:23
Field
8:23
of
8:23
Dreams
8:24
is
8:24
a
8:24
great
8:24
example.
8:25
The
8:25
whole
8:25
movie
8:26
is
8:26
structured
8:27
for
8:27
that
8:27
moment
8:28
and,
8:28
and
8:28
you're
8:29
not
8:29
even
8:29
aware
8:29
of
8:30
what's
8:30
happening.
8:31
And
8:31
all
8:31
of
8:31
a
8:31
sudden
8:32
something
8:32
hits
8:33
you
8:33
and
8:33
you
8:34
can't
8:34
help
8:34
it.
8:34
Like
8:34
for
8:35
a
8:35
lot
8:35
of
8:35
people,
8:35
you
8:35
can't
8:36
help
8:36
this
8:36
emotional
8:37
experience.
8:37
And
8:37
that's
8:38
what
8:38
I'm
8:38
trying
8:39
to
8:39
do
8:39
with
8:39
the
8:40
episodes
8:40
of
8:40
Midnight
8:41
Library
8:41
Baseball.
8:41
With
8:42
each
8:42
episode
8:42
in
8:43
each
8:43
season.
8:45
Yeah,
8:45
go.
8:46
Yeah,
8:47
that's.
8:49
That,
8:49
that's
8:49
really,
8:50
really
8:51
good.
8:54
I
8:54
like
8:54
your
8:54
thesis.
8:57
What,
8:59
how
8:59
did
8:59
you
8:59
discover
9:01
Chuck
9:02
Klein?
9:03
Yeah,
9:04
so
9:06
a
9:06
lot
9:06
of
9:06
my
9:07
episodes
9:07
come
9:07
from
9:08
reading
9:08
and
9:09
just
9:09
what
9:10
I'm
9:10
exposed
9:10
to
9:12
on
9:12
a
9:12
day
9:12
to
9:12
day
9:13
basis.
9:13
And
9:14
it
9:14
was
9:14
a
9:14
couple
9:14
years
9:15
ago
9:16
and
9:18
there
9:18
was,
9:19
I
9:19
saw
9:19
this
9:20
statistic
9:20
on
9:20
Shohei
9:21
Otani
9:21
about
9:22
total
9:22
bases
9:24
and
9:25
that
9:25
in
9:25
itself
9:26
surprised
9:26
me.
9:26
It's
9:27
like,
9:27
ping,
9:27
ping,
9:27
ping.
9:28
Like
9:28
it
9:29
kept
9:29
going
9:29
off
9:29
because
9:31
what
9:31
an
9:31
interesting
9:32
statistic.
9:33
I
9:33
mean,
9:33
I
9:33
love
9:34
statistics
9:35
and
9:36
it's
9:36
so
9:37
obvious.
9:38
Total
9:38
basis
9:40
and
9:40
it's
9:40
easily
9:41
representative
9:42
of
9:42
what,
9:42
what
9:43
a
9:43
player
9:43
is
9:43
doing
9:43
offensively.
9:44
You
9:44
know,
9:44
you
9:44
add
9:45
up
9:45
the
9:45
singles,
9:45
doubles,
9:46
triples,
9:46
home
9:46
runs
9:47
and
9:47
they're
9:47
your
9:47
total
9:47
bases.
9:48
But
9:49
nobody
9:49
ever
9:50
talks
9:50
about
9:50
it.
9:50
And
9:51
I
9:51
think
9:51
one
9:51
of
9:51
the
9:51
reason
9:52
is
9:52
because
9:52
people
9:53
haven't
9:54
cracked
9:55
the
9:55
top
9:55
10
9:55
or
9:55
top
9:56
20
9:56
in
9:56
a
9:56
while.
9:56
Like
9:57
it
9:57
doesn't
9:57
happen
9:57
very
9:57
often.
9:58
And
9:58
then
9:58
Shohei
9:58
Otani
9:59
did,
9:59
I
9:59
think
9:59
he
10:00
was
10:00
number
10:01
16
10:02
or
10:02
19.
10:04
And
10:05
then
10:05
I
10:05
looked
10:05
into
10:05
that
10:06
and
10:06
as
10:07
I
10:07
was
10:07
looking@baseballreference.com
10:10
you
10:10
see
10:11
the,
10:11
the
10:11
common
10:11
people
10:12
at
10:12
the
10:12
top.
10:12
Babe
10:12
Ruth,
10:13
Lou
10:13
Gehrig.
10:14
But
10:14
then
10:14
there's
10:15
this
10:15
guy,
10:15
Chuck
10:16
Klein.
10:17
And
10:18
I
10:18
thought,
10:19
who
10:19
is
10:19
this
10:19
guy?
10:20
It
10:20
might
10:20
have
10:20
been
10:21
familiar,
10:21
but
10:21
I
10:22
couldn't
10:22
place
10:23
him.
10:24
And
10:24
as
10:24
I
10:24
scroll
10:25
down
10:25
the
10:25
list,
10:26
there
10:26
he
10:26
is
10:27
again.
10:28
And
10:28
there
10:28
he
10:28
is
10:28
again.
10:29
So
10:30
it
10:30
was
10:30
pretty
10:30
hard
10:31
to
10:31
believe.
10:32
It's
10:32
like
10:32
this
10:33
guy
10:33
who's
10:34
doing.
10:35
It
10:35
takes
10:35
a
10:36
lot
10:36
to
10:37
rack
10:38
up
10:38
these
10:38
total
10:38
bases.
10:39
And
10:39
some
10:39
of
10:39
the
10:39
greatest,
10:40
Ted
10:40
Williams,
10:40
Mickey
10:41
Mantle,
10:41
they're
10:42
not
10:42
anywhere
10:42
in
10:43
the
10:43
top
10:43
50.
10:44
And
10:45
I,
10:45
I
10:45
can't
10:46
recall
10:46
where
10:46
they
10:46
appear.
10:47
So
10:47
it's,
10:47
it
10:47
takes
10:48
a
10:48
lot
10:48
to
10:48
really
10:50
rack
10:50
up
10:51
this
10:51
number.
10:51
And
10:52
so
10:52
right
10:52
there,
10:53
I
10:53
wanted
10:53
to
10:53
find
10:53
out
10:54
who
10:54
is
10:54
this
10:54
guy?
10:55
And
10:55
that
10:56
would
10:56
have
10:56
been
10:56
enough
10:56
for
10:56
an
10:57
episode.
10:59
But
11:00
then
11:00
more
11:00
and
11:01
more
11:01
pieces
11:01
started
11:02
to
11:02
fall
11:02
into
11:02
place.
11:03
And
11:04
like,
11:04
from
11:04
that
11:05
point,
11:05
I,
11:05
I
11:05
did
11:06
research.
11:07
I
11:08
looked
11:08
up
11:08
articles
11:08
and
11:09
books
11:09
and
11:09
started
11:09
putting
11:10
together
11:10
his
11:10
story.
11:11
And
11:11
it,
11:12
it's
11:12
great.
11:13
Yeah.
11:14
You
11:15
know,
11:15
let's,
11:15
let's
11:15
just
11:16
start
11:16
there.
11:16
Total
11:17
bases.
11:17
We
11:18
won't
11:18
keep.
11:18
We
11:18
won't
11:19
keep
11:19
the
11:19
listeners
11:20
in
11:20
suspense.
11:22
You're
11:22
right.
11:22
How
11:23
the
11:23
total
11:24
bases.
11:25
Of
11:25
course,
11:25
baseball
11:26
fans
11:26
know
11:26
how
11:27
total
11:27
bases
11:27
are
11:27
calculated.
11:29
And
11:30
it
11:30
is
11:30
pretty
11:30
amazing
11:31
when
11:31
you
11:31
look
11:31
at
11:31
the
11:32
top
11:32
10.
11:32
Babe
11:33
Ruth
11:33
is
11:33
number
11:33
one.
11:34
No
11:34
surprise,
11:35
457.
11:38
And
11:38
really
11:40
in
11:41
the
11:41
top
11:41
10,
11:42
as
11:43
of
11:43
today,
11:44
May
11:45
30th,
11:45
when
11:46
we
11:46
are
11:46
recording
11:47
this,
11:47
May
11:48
30th,
11:49
2026,
11:50
there
11:50
is
11:50
only
11:51
one
11:51
player
11:52
in
11:52
the
11:52
top
11:53
10
11:54
from
11:54
this
11:54
century,
11:55
and
11:55
that's
11:55
Sammy
11:56
Sosa.
11:57
Back
11:57
in
11:57
2001,
11:59
he
11:59
had
11:59
425
12:01
total
12:02
bases.
12:02
So.
12:03
And
12:03
Chuck
12:04
Klein.
12:05
Yes.
12:06
Is
12:06
one
12:06
of
12:06
two
12:07
players,
12:08
two
12:08
players
12:09
that
12:09
are
12:10
in
12:10
the
12:10
top
12:10
10
12:10
twice.
12:11
Ruth
12:12
is
12:12
number
12:12
one
12:12
at
12:13
457.
12:14
And
12:14
he
12:14
did
12:14
that
12:14
1921.
12:16
Rogers
12:17
Hornsby
12:17
is
12:17
number
12:18
two,
12:18
and
12:19
he
12:19
did
12:19
400.
12:20
He
12:20
had
12:20
450
12:21
in
12:21
1922.
12:23
Lou
12:23
Gehrig
12:24
is
12:25
number
12:25
three
12:25
with
12:26
447
12:27
total
12:27
bases
12:28
in
12:28
1927.
12:30
And
12:30
then
12:30
it's
12:31
Chuck
12:31
Klein
12:31
at
12:32
445
12:34
in
12:34
1930.
12:35
And
12:35
you
12:35
got
12:36
Jimmy
12:36
Fox,
12:37
Stan
12:37
Usual.
12:38
Then
12:38
it's
12:39
Sammy
12:39
Sosa,
12:40
then
12:40
Hack
12:40
Wilson.
12:41
And
12:41
at
12:42
number
12:42
nine,
12:42
there's
12:43
Chuck
12:43
Klein
12:44
again.
12:45
Two
12:45
times
12:46
in
12:46
the
12:46
top
12:47
nine,
12:47
he
12:48
had
12:48
420
12:49
total
12:49
bases.
12:50
And
12:50
then
12:51
there's
12:51
Gehrig,
12:52
the
12:52
only
12:52
other
12:52
player
12:53
in
12:53
the
12:53
top
12:54
10
12:54
twice
12:55
at
12:55
419.
12:57
And
12:57
he
12:57
did
12:57
that
12:58
in
12:58
1930.
12:59
Yeah.
13:00
So
13:01
it
13:01
is
13:02
truly
13:02
amazing
13:04
because
13:04
if
13:04
you're
13:05
a
13:05
baseball
13:05
fan,
13:06
you've,
13:07
you
13:07
know.
13:08
Well,
13:08
you
13:08
don't
13:09
even
13:09
have
13:09
to
13:09
be
13:09
a
13:09
baseball
13:10
fan
13:10
to
13:10
know
13:11
who
13:11
Babe
13:12
Ruth
13:12
is.
13:12
Right.
13:12
Yeah.
13:13
And
13:13
baseball
13:13
fans
13:14
know
13:14
Hornsby
13:15
and
13:15
they
13:15
know
13:15
Gary
13:16
and
13:16
they
13:16
know
13:17
Fox
13:17
and
13:17
they
13:17
know
13:18
Mule,
13:18
and
13:19
they
13:19
know
13:19
Sammy
13:19
Sosa.
13:20
Chuck
13:20
Klein.
13:21
Who
13:22
is
13:22
Chuck
13:23
Klein?
13:24
So
13:24
let's
13:25
start
13:25
there
13:27
who
13:27
was
13:27
Chuck
13:28
Klein
13:29
and
13:29
why
13:30
should
13:30
baseball
13:31
fans
13:31
remember
13:32
him?
13:33
Well,.
13:36
So
13:37
Chuck
13:37
Klein
13:38
was,
13:39
I
13:40
mean
13:40
he
13:40
was
13:40
this,
13:41
this
13:41
guy
13:42
who,
13:42
you
13:42
know,
13:43
it's
13:43
kind
13:43
of
13:43
a
13:43
typical
13:45
turn
13:45
of
13:46
the
13:46
century
13:46
baseball
13:47
story.
13:47
Like
13:47
worked
13:47
in
13:48
a
13:48
steel
13:48
mill
13:49
and
13:49
played
13:50
baseball
13:50
when
13:50
he
13:51
could
13:51
and
13:51
he
13:51
got
13:52
really
13:52
strong.
13:54
And
13:55
so
13:55
he
13:55
credited,
13:56
you
13:56
know,
13:56
a
13:56
lot
13:56
of
13:56
his,
13:57
his
13:58
offensive
13:58
prowess
13:59
to
13:59
just
14:00
building
14:01
up
14:01
this
14:01
strength
14:02
in
14:02
the
14:02
steel
14:02
mill
14:03
working
14:03
I
14:03
don't
14:04
know
14:04
how
14:04
many
14:04
hours
14:04
a
14:04
day,
14:05
but
14:05
it's
14:05
1910s,
14:06
1920s,
14:07
you
14:07
know,
14:08
they
14:08
probably
14:09
weren't
14:09
40
14:10
hour
14:10
work
14:10
weeks,
14:10
so
14:11
you're
14:11
probably
14:11
like
14:12
60
14:12
plus
14:13
hours
14:13
a
14:13
week
14:14
at
14:14
minimum.
14:15
And
14:16
then
14:16
in
14:16
the
14:16
spare
14:17
time
14:17
he's
14:17
playing
14:17
baseball.
14:18
So,
14:19
um,
14:20
you
14:20
know,
14:20
this
14:20
is
14:20
what
14:20
he
14:21
has
14:21
going
14:21
for
14:21
him
14:22
and
14:22
then
14:23
he
14:23
comes
14:24
out.
14:24
And
14:25
if
14:25
you
14:25
look,
14:25
I
14:26
mean,
14:26
for
14:26
anyone
14:26
who
14:26
doesn't
14:27
know
14:27
his
14:27
story
14:28
and
14:29
finding
14:29
the
14:30
story
14:30
within
14:30
numbers,
14:31
within
14:31
statistics,
14:32
if
14:32
you
14:32
look
14:33
at
14:33
his
14:33
numbers
14:33
on
14:33
baseball
14:34
reference.com
14:35
like
14:35
that
14:35
in
14:35
itself,
14:36
it's
14:36
kind
14:36
of
14:36
like
14:36
the
14:36
matrix,
14:37
you
14:37
know,
14:37
it's
14:37
like
14:38
you
14:38
see
14:39
the
14:39
story
14:39
and
14:39
the
14:40
people
14:40
appearing
14:40
within
14:40
the
14:41
numbers
14:41
and
14:41
you
14:42
look
14:42
at
14:42
these
14:42
numbers
14:42
and
14:43
like
14:43
even
14:43
his
14:44
first
14:44
season,
14:44
he
14:45
didn't
14:45
play
14:45
a
14:45
full
14:45
season,
14:46
but
14:46
it
14:46
was
14:46
incredible.
14:48
And
14:48
he's
14:48
just,
14:49
he's
14:49
just
14:50
crushing
14:50
the
14:50
ball,
14:51
you
14:51
know,
14:51
he's
14:52
crushing
14:52
it
14:53
not
14:53
only
14:55
for
14:56
power,
14:56
but
14:57
he's
14:57
crushing
14:57
it
14:58
for
14:58
average,
14:59
you
14:59
know,
14:59
in
15:00
all
15:00
these
15:00
categories.
15:01
And
15:04
I
15:04
just
15:04
wanna,
15:05
you
15:05
know,
15:05
I
15:06
just
15:06
wanna
15:08
look
15:08
here
15:09
because
15:09
I
15:10
can't
15:10
help
15:10
it.
15:10
Like
15:11
you
15:11
look
15:11
at
15:11
it
15:11
and
15:12
if
15:12
you
15:12
haven't
15:13
gone
15:13
to
15:13
baseballreference.com
15:14
when
15:15
you
15:15
look
15:15
at
15:15
somebody's
15:16
yearly
15:17
stats,
15:17
like
15:18
the
15:18
regular
15:18
numbers
15:19
pop
15:19
out
15:19
in
15:19
gray.
15:20
But
15:20
then
15:20
if
15:20
you're
15:21
leading
15:21
the
15:21
league,
15:22
you're,
15:22
you
15:22
know,
15:22
whether
15:23
it's
15:23
American
15:23
League,
15:23
National
15:24
League
15:24
or
15:24
the
15:24
entire
15:25
league,
15:26
the
15:26
numbers
15:27
will
15:27
pop
15:27
out
15:27
in
15:27
black,
15:28
in
15:28
bold
15:29
or
15:29
they'll
15:30
be
15:30
italicized.
15:31
And,
15:31
and
15:31
he
15:31
just
15:32
for
15:32
this
15:32
five
15:33
year
15:33
stretch,
15:33
it's,
15:34
he's
15:34
just
15:34
leading
15:35
so
15:36
all
15:37
these
15:37
categories
15:38
and
15:39
he
15:39
leads
15:40
the
15:40
league
15:40
in
15:40
stolen
15:40
bases
15:41
one
15:41
year
15:42
and
15:43
he
15:44
still
15:45
to
15:45
this
15:45
day,
15:45
I
15:45
think
15:47
has
15:47
the
15:47
most
15:48
assists.
15:49
It's
15:49
either
15:50
assists
15:50
from
15:50
the
15:50
outfield
15:51
or
15:51
put
15:51
outs
15:52
like
15:52
this.
15:53
It's
15:53
assist
15:53
44
15:54
assists.
15:55
Yes.
15:56
It's
15:56
crazy
15:56
how
15:57
that
15:57
came
15:57
about
15:57
too.
15:58
Yeah.
15:58
Whose
15:59
manager,
16:00
Bert
16:00
Shotton,
16:01
and
16:01
talks
16:02
about
16:02
how
16:04
footwork
16:05
really
16:05
played
16:06
a
16:06
pivotal
16:06
role
16:07
in
16:07
converting
16:08
him
16:09
from
16:10
an
16:10
okay
16:11
outfielder
16:11
into
16:12
a
16:12
guy
16:13
who
16:13
had
16:13
44
16:15
assists.
16:16
Yeah.
16:16
In
16:16
one
16:17
season
16:17
from
16:17
the
16:18
outfield.
16:18
Yeah.
16:19
Yeah.
16:20
So
16:20
I
16:20
mean
16:21
he
16:21
is
16:21
the
16:21
full
16:21
package.
16:22
Right.
16:22
If
16:23
you
16:23
think
16:23
of
16:23
an
16:23
all
16:23
around
16:24
player
16:24
for
16:24
this
16:25
time
16:25
period
16:25
and
16:26
I
16:27
think
16:27
I
16:28
think
16:28
of,
16:28
you
16:28
know,
16:29
the
16:29
hall
16:29
of
16:29
Fame.
16:30
I
16:30
don't
16:31
know
16:31
if
16:31
we're
16:31
jumping
16:31
ahead
16:31
here,
16:32
but
16:32
like
16:32
the
16:32
hall
16:32
of
16:32
Fame
16:33
values
16:34
career
16:35
stats,
16:36
you
16:36
know,
16:36
But
16:36
I
16:36
think
16:37
there
16:37
should
16:37
be
16:38
a
16:38
place
16:38
for
16:38
someone
16:38
who
16:38
shines
16:39
so
16:39
bright
16:41
for
16:41
a
16:42
few
16:42
years.
16:43
Yeah,
16:43
it's,
16:44
it's
16:44
so
16:44
interesting
16:45
too
16:45
because
16:46
you
16:47
know,
16:47
there,
16:47
there
16:47
are
16:48
players
16:48
who,
16:50
you
16:51
know,
16:51
just
16:51
have
16:51
solid
16:52
overall
16:53
careers
16:54
and
16:55
are
16:55
they
16:55
really
16:56
hall
16:56
of
16:57
Fame
16:57
worthy?
16:58
Yeah,
16:58
you
16:59
know,
16:59
I
16:59
always
16:59
go
17:00
back
17:00
to,
17:00
I
17:00
have
17:00
a,
17:01
I
17:01
have
17:01
an
17:02
old
17:02
college
17:02
buddy
17:03
and,
17:04
and
17:04
you
17:04
know,
17:04
he's
17:05
an
17:05
old
17:05
Chicago
17:06
White
17:06
Sox
17:07
fan
17:08
and
17:09
I'm
17:09
old
17:10
time
17:10
and
17:11
long
17:11
time
17:12
suffering
17:12
New
17:13
York
17:13
Mets
17:14
fan
17:14
and
17:15
we
17:15
have
17:15
this
17:16
argument
17:16
all
17:16
the
17:17
time
17:17
over.
17:18
And
17:19
this
17:19
is
17:19
not
17:19
to
17:19
disparage
17:20
in
17:20
any
17:21
way
17:21
of
17:21
great
17:21
career
17:22
that
17:23
this
17:23
guy
17:23
had,
17:23
but
17:24
we
17:24
argue
17:25
all
17:25
the
17:25
time
17:25
about
17:26
Harold
17:26
Baines
17:27
and
17:27
I
17:27
just
17:27
don't
17:27
see
17:28
Harold
17:28
Baines
17:29
as
17:30
a
17:30
Hall
17:30
of
17:30
Famer
17:31
in
17:31
the
17:31
same
17:31
sense
17:32
as
17:32
some
17:32
other
17:33
guys.
17:33
And
17:33
you
17:33
take
17:33
a
17:34
look
17:34
at
17:34
the
17:34
career
17:35
of
17:35
Chuck
17:35
Klein
17:36
and
17:37
I
17:37
mean,
17:37
you
17:38
know,
17:38
when
17:38
you
17:38
do
17:39
Look@baseball
17:40
Reference.com
17:41
and
17:41
you
17:41
see
17:41
all
17:42
the
17:42
bold
17:42
numbers
17:43
popping
17:43
out
17:44
at
17:44
you,
17:45
it
17:45
is
17:46
action.
17:46
It's
17:47
incredible.
17:47
I
17:48
mean,
17:48
the
17:49
things
17:49
that
17:49
he
17:49
did.
17:50
So
17:50
let's.
17:51
His
17:51
first,
17:52
you
17:52
know,
17:52
he
17:53
only
17:53
played,
17:54
you
17:55
know,
17:55
three
17:55
quarter
17:55
or
17:57
not
17:57
even.
17:57
He
17:58
played
17:58
about
17:59
half
17:59
the
17:59
season.
18:00
His
18:01
first
18:01
year,
18:01
1928,
18:03
and
18:04
he
18:04
hit
18:04
360
18:06
with
18:06
11
18:06
home
18:07
runs
18:07
and
18:07
34
18:08
RBI.
18:10
And
18:10
then
18:10
his
18:11
first
18:11
full
18:11
season,
18:12
he
18:12
hits
18:13
356
18:14
with
18:15
43
18:16
home
18:16
runs.
18:17
I
18:17
mean
18:18
that's
18:19
pretty
18:19
darned
18:20
impressive.
18:20
Oh,
18:21
at
18:21
145
18:22
RBI.
18:24
And
18:24
then,
18:25
and
18:25
then
18:26
he
18:26
follows
18:26
that
18:26
up.
18:27
In
18:27
1930
18:28
at
18:28
the
18:28
age
18:28
of
18:29
25,
18:30
he
18:30
hits
18:31
386
18:32
with
18:33
40
18:33
home
18:33
runs
18:34
and
18:34
170
18:36
RBI.
18:37
Think
18:37
about
18:37
that.
18:38
How
18:38
many
18:38
guys
18:38
today
18:39
knock
18:39
in
18:40
170?
18:41
And
18:41
you
18:41
know,
18:42
unfortunately,
18:43
he
18:43
didn't
18:43
lead
18:44
the
18:44
league
18:44
that
18:45
year.
18:45
That
18:45
was
18:45
the
18:45
year
18:46
that
18:46
Hack
18:47
Wilson
18:47
set
18:47
the
18:47
record
18:48
with
18:48
181.
18:50
But
18:50
you
18:50
know,
18:51
when
18:51
I,
18:51
when
18:51
I
18:51
was
18:52
researching
18:54
Chuck
18:55
for
18:55
this
18:55
episode,
18:56
there
18:56
were
18:56
a
18:56
couple
18:56
things
18:57
that
18:57
stood
18:58
out
18:58
to
18:58
me
18:59
that
18:59
were
18:59
also
18:59
very
19:00
interesting.
19:00
Before
19:02
he
19:02
made
19:02
his
19:03
way
19:04
to
19:04
the
19:04
Philadelphia
19:05
Phillies.
19:06
You
19:06
know,
19:06
he
19:06
was
19:07
a
19:08
decent
19:08
ball
19:09
player
19:09
in
19:09
high
19:10
school,
19:10
but
19:10
he
19:11
didn't
19:11
get
19:11
a
19:11
whole
19:11
lot
19:12
of
19:12
fanfare
19:12
and
19:13
there
19:13
wasn't
19:13
much,
19:14
you
19:15
know,
19:15
no
19:15
one,
19:15
no
19:15
one
19:16
knew
19:16
who
19:16
he
19:16
was.
19:17
So
19:18
as
19:18
you
19:18
mentioned,
19:20
he
19:20
ultimately
19:23
found
19:23
his
19:23
way
19:23
to
19:24
Indianapolis
19:25
and
19:25
started
19:26
to
19:26
work
19:26
in
19:26
a
19:27
steel.
19:28
I
19:28
always
19:28
struggle
19:29
with
19:29
this,
19:29
a
19:29
steel
19:30
mill.
19:32
And
19:34
you
19:34
know,
19:34
he
19:34
worked
19:34
there
19:35
for
19:35
a
19:35
couple,
19:35
two
19:35
or
19:36
three
19:36
years.
19:36
I
19:36
think
19:37
it
19:37
was
19:38
and
19:39
that's
19:39
where
19:39
he
19:39
built
19:40
up
19:40
a
19:40
lot
19:40
of
19:41
his
19:41
power.
19:41
He
19:42
said,
19:42
if
19:42
you
19:43
want
19:43
to
19:43
become
19:43
really
19:44
strong,
19:44
go
19:45
work
19:45
in
19:45
a
19:45
steel
19:46
mill
19:46
and,
19:46
and
19:46
you'll
19:47
put
19:47
on
19:48
muscle
19:48
and
19:48
then
19:49
you'll
19:49
become
19:49
a
19:50
pretty
19:50
powerful
19:50
guy.
19:51
And
19:51
he
19:52
started
19:52
to
19:52
play
19:52
semi
19:53
pro
19:53
ball
19:54
and
19:55
he
19:55
played
19:55
for
19:55
a
19:56
team
19:56
called
19:57
the
19:57
Keystone
19:59
Athletic
19:59
Club,
20:00
right?
20:01
And
20:02
he
20:02
got
20:02
off
20:02
to
20:03
a
20:03
good
20:03
start.
20:03
Then
20:03
he
20:03
broke
20:04
his
20:04
ankle.
20:05
But
20:07
in
20:07
the,
20:07
after
20:08
he
20:08
broke
20:08
his
20:08
ankle,
20:09
a
20:10
team
20:10
from
20:11
Fort
20:11
Wayne,
20:12
Indiana
20:12
in
20:13
the
20:13
Central
20:13
League
20:14
pick
20:14
him
20:14
up.
20:16
And
20:18
he
20:18
had
20:18
a
20:18
decent
20:19
year
20:19
for
20:20
that
20:20
team
20:20
in
20:21
Fort
20:21
wayne.
20:21
He
20:21
played
20:22
88
20:22
games,
20:23
hit.331,
20:24
26
20:25
home
20:26
runs,
20:27
29
20:27
doubles.
20:29
And
20:29
then
20:32
he,
20:32
he
20:33
was
20:33
really
20:33
at
20:34
that
20:34
point
20:34
discovered
20:35
by
20:35
the
20:35
Cardinals.
20:37
But
20:37
the
20:37
Cardinals
20:39
couldn't
20:40
bring
20:41
him
20:41
up
20:41
to
20:41
their
20:42
major
20:42
league
20:42
team.
20:43
Can
20:43
you
20:43
talk
20:43
about
20:44
that
20:44
at
20:44
all?
20:44
Do
20:44
you,
20:45
are
20:45
you
20:46
familiar
20:46
with
20:47
that
20:47
part
20:47
of
20:47
the
20:48
story
20:48
at
20:48
all
20:49
on
20:49
how
20:49
he,
20:50
he
20:50
went
20:51
from
20:52
being
20:53
technically
20:54
owned
20:54
by
20:54
the
20:55
Cardinals
20:55
and
20:56
wound
20:56
up
20:56
with
20:56
the
20:56
Phillies?
20:57
I
20:57
can't,
20:58
I
20:58
don't
20:58
remember.
20:58
I
20:59
don't
20:59
remember
20:59
that
20:59
well.
21:00
I
21:00
don't,
21:00
I
21:00
don't
21:00
mean,
21:02
I
21:02
don't
21:02
mean
21:02
to
21:03
do
21:03
that.
21:03
But
21:04
basically
21:04
it's
21:05
my
21:05
understanding
21:06
that
21:06
the
21:07
Cardinals
21:07
actually
21:08
owned
21:08
two
21:09
teams
21:09
in
21:09
one
21:10
league
21:10
and
21:10
that
21:10
was
21:11
not
21:11
allowed.
21:12
They
21:12
owned
21:12
Fort
21:13
Wayne
21:13
and
21:13
they
21:13
owned
21:14
Dayton.
21:15
And
21:15
the
21:16
commissioner
21:16
at
21:17
that
21:17
time,
21:17
Kennesaw
21:18
Mountain
21:18
Land,
21:19
has
21:19
said
21:19
you
21:19
can't
21:19
have
21:20
two
21:20
teams.
21:21
And
21:21
so
21:22
he
21:22
forced
21:22
the
21:23
Cardinals
21:23
to
21:23
sell
21:24
off
21:24
all
21:24
the
21:25
players,
21:25
and
21:26
he
21:26
forced
21:26
the
21:26
Cardinals
21:27
to
21:27
sell
21:27
the
21:27
team.
21:28
So
21:28
they
21:28
were
21:28
able
21:28
to
21:28
keep
21:29
Dayton.
21:30
They
21:33
had
21:33
to
21:33
sell
21:34
Fort
21:34
Wayne
21:34
and
21:35
all
21:35
the
21:35
players.
21:36
And
21:36
there
21:37
was
21:37
basically
21:37
a,
21:39
I
21:39
don't
21:40
want
21:40
to
21:40
say
21:40
it
21:40
was
21:40
a
21:40
bidding
21:40
war,
21:41
but
21:41
the
21:41
Yankees
21:42
offered
21:43
the
21:43
Cardinals
21:44
$5,000
21:45
for
21:46
Chuck
21:46
Klein
21:47
and
21:47
the
21:48
Phillies
21:48
offered
21:49
7,500,
21:51
and
21:51
the
21:51
Phillies
21:52
got
21:52
Chuck
21:52
line,
21:54
and
21:54
that's
21:55
how
21:55
he
21:55
wound
21:55
up
21:56
with
21:56
the
21:56
Phillies.
21:57
But
21:57
how
21:58
interesting
21:59
it
21:59
would
21:59
have
22:00
been
22:01
if
22:02
the
22:02
Yankees
22:04
had
22:05
picked
22:05
up
22:05
Chuck
22:06
Klein,
22:06
Then
22:07
they
22:07
would
22:07
have
22:07
had
22:07
a
22:08
lineup
22:08
with
22:08
Klein,
22:09
Gehrig
22:10
and
22:10
Ruth,
22:12
and
22:12
maybe
22:12
Chuck
22:13
Klein
22:13
would
22:13
have
22:13
been
22:15
more
22:16
popular.
22:17
So
22:18
in
22:18
that
22:18
sense,
22:20
the
22:20
Phillies
22:21
weren't
22:21
a
22:22
very
22:22
good
22:22
team.
22:25
How
22:26
did
22:26
the,
22:27
the
22:27
Phillies
22:29
not
22:29
being
22:30
so
22:30
good
22:30
affect
22:31
Chuck
22:31
Klein's
22:32
notoriety?
22:33
Well,
22:34
I
22:34
mean,
22:34
I,
22:34
I
22:34
think
22:34
that,
22:35
and
22:35
I
22:35
love
22:35
speculating
22:37
like
22:37
the,
22:38
the
22:38
revisionist
22:39
history
22:39
part
22:39
and
22:39
you
22:39
bringing
22:40
that
22:40
up
22:40
like
22:40
about
22:41
the
22:41
Yankees
22:43
because
22:44
one,
22:45
one,
22:45
you
22:46
know,
22:46
one
22:46
reason
22:47
he
22:47
got
22:47
the
22:47
shaft
22:48
was
22:49
he
22:49
played
22:50
the
22:50
Baker
22:50
bowl
22:51
and,
22:51
and
22:51
had
22:51
a
22:51
really
22:52
short
22:52
right
22:52
field
22:52
porch,
22:54
but
22:54
so
22:54
did
22:54
Yankee
22:55
Stadium,
22:56
right?
22:56
So
22:56
if
22:56
he
22:57
would
22:57
have
22:57
gone
22:57
to
22:57
Yankee
22:58
Stadium,
22:58
he
22:58
would
22:58
have
22:59
had
22:59
the
22:59
same
22:59
Advantages.
23:00
Plus
23:01
he
23:01
would
23:01
have
23:01
had
23:02
all
23:02
that
23:03
power
23:04
from
23:04
other
23:04
people.
23:05
You
23:05
know,
23:05
you
23:05
think
23:05
of
23:06
what
23:06
you
23:06
stated,
23:07
his
23:07
170
23:08
RBIs,
23:09
like
23:09
what
23:10
could
23:10
that
23:10
have
23:10
been
23:11
if
23:11
he's
23:12
playing
23:12
with
23:12
Gary
23:13
and
23:13
Ruth
23:14
and
23:14
you
23:14
know,
23:15
all
23:15
of
23:15
these
23:15
major
23:16
league
23:16
hitters.
23:18
Why
23:18
do
23:18
you
23:18
think,
23:19
Ben,
23:19
why
23:20
do
23:20
you
23:20
think
23:23
that
23:23
the,
23:24
the
23:25
short
23:26
right
23:26
field
23:27
porch
23:28
is
23:28
right
23:28
field.
23:29
Right.
23:29
Yeah.
23:29
Right
23:29
field
23:30
porch
23:31
at
23:32
the
23:32
Baker
23:32
bowl
23:33
is
23:34
so
23:35
controversial
23:36
when
23:36
you're
23:37
looking
23:37
at
23:37
the
23:37
career
23:39
of
23:39
Chuck
23:39
Klein.
23:40
Because
23:41
if
23:41
I
23:41
look,
23:41
I
23:42
wrote
23:42
this
23:42
down.
23:44
The
23:44
baker
23:44
bowl
23:45
was
23:45
280ft
23:49
down
23:49
the
23:49
right
23:49
field
23:50
line
23:51
with
23:51
a
23:52
60
23:53
foot
23:53
wall.
23:54
Yeah,
23:55
good
23:55
point.
23:55
The
23:56
polo
23:56
grounds
23:57
were
23:57
258ft
23:59
down
24:00
the
24:00
right
24:00
field
24:01
line.
24:02
That
24:02
didn't
24:03
affect
24:03
Bellott's
24:04
hall
24:04
of
24:05
Fame
24:05
credentials.
24:06
Yeah,
24:06
Yankee
24:07
Stadium
24:07
was
24:08
295.
24:10
And
24:10
that
24:10
didn't
24:11
affect
24:11
Babe
24:11
Ruth
24:12
or
24:12
Lou
24:12
Gehrian.
24:13
But
24:13
I'm
24:14
not
24:14
saying
24:14
any
24:15
stretch
24:15
of
24:16
the
24:16
imagination
24:16
that
24:17
none
24:17
of
24:17
those
24:17
guys
24:18
deserve
24:19
to
24:19
be
24:19
in
24:19
the
24:20
hall
24:20
of
24:20
Fame.
24:21
But
24:22
why
24:22
such
24:23
a
24:23
different.
24:27
Why
24:28
do
24:28
people
24:28
think
24:28
about
24:28
it
24:29
so
24:29
differently
24:30
when
24:30
you
24:30
consider
24:30
the
24:31
Baker
24:31
bowl
24:31
versus
24:33
the
24:33
Polo
24:34
Grounds
24:34
and
24:35
Yankee
24:35
Stadium?
24:36
I
24:36
think
24:37
foot
24:37
wall.
24:38
Yeah.
24:38
Yeah,
24:38
right.
24:39
I
24:39
mean,
24:39
I
24:39
think
24:40
one
24:40
of
24:40
the
24:40
reasons
24:41
is
24:42
what
24:42
happened
24:43
to
24:43
Klein
24:43
when
24:43
he
24:44
left
24:44
Philadelphia.
24:44
Like
24:45
he
24:45
went
24:45
to
24:45
Chicago
24:46
and
24:47
he
24:47
didn't
24:47
perform
24:47
as
24:48
well.
24:48
I
24:48
mean,
24:49
he
24:49
had
24:50
injuries,
24:51
but
24:51
yeah,
24:52
he
24:52
really,
24:52
he.
24:53
I
24:54
guess
24:54
if
24:54
you
24:54
look
24:54
at
24:55
it
24:55
today
24:55
that
24:56
you
24:56
would
24:56
say
24:57
speculative,
24:59
it
24:59
was
24:59
a
24:59
hamstring
25:00
injury
25:01
or
25:01
a
25:01
quad
25:02
injury
25:02
because
25:02
I
25:02
think
25:03
the
25:03
muscles
25:03
separated
25:04
somehow.
25:05
Yeah,
25:06
yeah.
25:06
And
25:07
I
25:07
mean,
25:07
I'm
25:08
thinking
25:08
of,
25:09
it's
25:10
like
25:10
this
25:10
whole
25:10
thing
25:10
about
25:11
strength.
25:11
And
25:11
you
25:11
mentioned
25:12
Sammy
25:12
Sosa
25:12
was
25:13
the
25:13
only
25:13
guy
25:13
in
25:13
the
25:13
top.
25:14
Well,
25:14
you
25:14
know,
25:14
he
25:14
was
25:15
playing
25:15
in
25:15
the
25:15
steroid
25:16
era.
25:16
He
25:17
and
25:17
Mark
25:17
McGuire
25:18
were
25:18
jacked.
25:19
Right.
25:19
But
25:20
Chuck
25:20
Klein
25:21
was
25:21
jacked
25:22
because
25:22
he
25:22
worked
25:22
in
25:23
the
25:23
steel
25:23
mill.
25:23
But
25:24
still,
25:24
all
25:24
that
25:24
muscle,
25:25
you
25:25
know,
25:25
there's,
25:26
there's
25:26
a
25:26
reason
25:26
why
25:27
baseball
25:27
players
25:28
have
25:28
stayed
25:29
away
25:29
from
25:29
that.
25:30
It
25:31
can
25:32
cause
25:32
problems.
25:33
And
25:33
maybe,
25:33
maybe
25:34
that
25:34
led
25:34
to
25:34
some
25:34
of
25:34
his
25:35
issues,
25:35
I
25:35
don't
25:35
know.
25:35
But
25:35
when
25:36
he
25:36
left
25:36
Philadelphia
25:37
in
25:37
the
25:37
Baker
25:37
bowl,
25:38
his
25:38
numbers
25:38
decreased,
25:39
increased
25:39
significantly.
25:40
So
25:40
some
25:41
people
25:41
could
25:41
say,
25:41
well
25:42
look,
25:43
look
25:44
at
25:44
what
25:44
happened.
25:44
And
25:45
some
25:45
other
25:46
people
25:46
look
25:46
at
25:46
his
25:46
home
25:47
versus
25:48
away
25:48
numbers
25:49
when
25:49
he
25:49
played
25:49
in
25:50
Philadelphia
25:50
and
25:50
you
25:51
know,
25:51
his
25:51
numbers
25:52
in
25:52
Philadelphia
25:53
were
25:53
significantly
25:54
higher.
25:57
So
25:58
those
25:58
are
25:58
some
25:58
of
25:58
the
25:58
reasons.
25:59
And
25:59
he
26:00
did
26:00
have
26:00
a
26:00
long
26:00
career,
26:02
but
26:02
these
26:02
years
26:03
really
26:03
stand
26:04
out.
26:04
And
26:05
you
26:05
know,
26:06
it's
26:06
one
26:06
thing,
26:07
there
26:08
are
26:08
all
26:08
these
26:08
different
26:10
benchmarks.
26:11
I
26:11
think
26:11
it's
26:11
like
26:11
for
26:12
somebody
26:12
to
26:12
make
26:12
the
26:12
major
26:13
leagues.
26:13
First
26:13
of
26:13
all,
26:13
that's
26:14
amazing.
26:15
And
26:15
then
26:15
for
26:15
someone
26:15
to
26:16
have
26:16
a
26:16
long
26:16
career,
26:16
that
26:17
says
26:17
something
26:17
else,
26:18
you
26:18
know,
26:18
to
26:18
be
26:18
able
26:19
to
26:19
stay
26:19
because
26:20
it's,
26:20
you
26:20
know,
26:21
the
26:21
average
26:21
is
26:21
less
26:22
than
26:22
five
26:22
years.
26:23
And
26:23
Chuck
26:24
Klein
26:24
had
26:24
these
26:25
amazing
26:25
years
26:25
and
26:26
he
26:26
stayed
26:27
in
26:27
the
26:27
league
26:27
for
26:27
a
26:27
long
26:28
time,
26:29
but
26:29
the
26:29
numbers
26:30
never
26:30
came
26:31
close
26:31
to
26:31
what
26:31
they
26:31
were
26:32
those
26:33
first
26:34
five,
26:34
five
26:34
and
26:34
a
26:34
half
26:35
years.
26:35
So
26:36
I
26:36
think
26:36
that
26:36
goes
26:37
toward
26:37
this
26:38
discrediting
26:39
of
26:39
his
26:40
accomplishments.
26:42
And
26:43
yet
26:43
he
26:43
still
26:44
wasn't
26:45
awful
26:46
with,
26:46
with
26:47
the
26:47
Cubs.
26:47
I
26:47
mean,
26:48
he
26:48
played
26:48
with
26:48
the
26:48
Cubs
26:49
for
26:49
three
26:49
years
26:50
and
26:51
you
26:51
know,
26:52
while
26:52
he
26:52
was
26:52
there,
26:53
he
26:54
hit.297
26:55
over
26:56
the
26:56
three
26:56
year
26:57
period.
26:57
I
26:57
mean,
26:57
his
26:58
career
26:58
numbers,
26:59
a.320
27:00
batting
27:01
average.
27:01
I
27:02
don't
27:02
care
27:02
where
27:02
it
27:03
is
27:03
you're
27:03
playing,
27:04
you
27:04
know,
27:05
yet
27:05
power
27:06
might
27:06
be
27:06
effective,
27:06
but
27:07
you're
27:07
still
27:07
putting
27:07
the
27:08
ball
27:08
into
27:08
play.
27:08
I
27:09
mean,
27:09
his,
27:09
his
27:10
career
27:10
batting
27:10
average
27:11
of.320
27:12
is,
27:13
it's,
27:13
I
27:13
mean,
27:14
you
27:14
know,
27:14
it's.
27:14
That's
27:15
hall
27:15
of
27:15
Fame
27:16
worthy.
27:16
Yeah.
27:18
And.
27:18
And
27:20
his,
27:21
perhaps
27:23
his
27:25
best
27:25
day
27:26
at
27:27
the
27:27
plate,
27:27
or
27:28
his
27:28
most
27:29
prodigious
27:30
day
27:30
at
27:30
the
27:31
plate,
27:31
if
27:31
I
27:32
understand
27:32
correctly,
27:33
did
27:34
not
27:34
take
27:35
place
27:36
at
27:36
the
27:36
Baker
27:36
Fee
27:37
at
27:37
the
27:37
Baker
27:38
Bowl.
27:38
It
27:38
took
27:39
place
27:39
at
27:39
Forbes
27:40
Field
27:40
where
27:40
he
27:40
hit
27:41
four
27:41
home
27:41
runs.
27:42
And
27:43
you
27:43
know,
27:44
I
27:44
don't
27:44
have
27:44
the
27:44
dimensions
27:45
offhand
27:46
of
27:47
what
27:48
Forbes
27:49
Field
27:50
was,
27:50
but
27:51
that
27:51
was,
27:51
you
27:51
know,
27:52
July
27:52
10,
27:53
1936.
27:54
He
27:55
had
27:55
four
27:56
home
27:56
runs
27:58
in
27:58
the
27:59
game.
27:59
Almost
27:59
hit
27:59
a
28:00
fifth.
28:00
Almost
28:00
to
28:00
the
28:00
fifth.
28:01
Yeah,
28:01
yeah,
28:02
yeah.
28:02
For
28:03
that
28:03
season,
28:04
you
28:04
know,
28:05
it
28:05
was
28:05
1936.
28:08
He
28:09
still
28:09
hit
28:09
20
28:09
home
28:10
runs
28:11
and
28:11
he
28:12
hit.309.
28:13
And
28:13
that
28:13
was
28:14
not
28:14
with
28:14
the
28:15
Baker
28:15
Bowl.
28:16
Yeah,
28:17
yeah.
28:17
I
28:18
mean,
28:18
and
28:18
going
28:18
back
28:19
to
28:19
another
28:19
point,
28:20
which
28:20
is
28:20
his
28:21
first
28:21
season,
28:21
which
28:22
he
28:22
only
28:22
played
28:22
half
28:22
a
28:23
season,
28:23
but
28:23
you
28:24
know,
28:24
typically
28:24
it
28:25
takes
28:25
a
28:25
while.
28:25
It's
28:26
really
28:26
hard
28:27
for
28:27
someone
28:27
to
28:27
come
28:28
up
28:28
and
28:28
their
28:28
rookie
28:29
year
28:29
have
28:30
amazing
28:31
numbers.
28:31
You
28:32
know,
28:32
typically
28:32
it
28:33
takes
28:33
a
28:33
couple
28:33
years
28:34
to
28:34
get
28:34
into
28:34
the
28:34
groove,
28:35
to
28:35
settle
28:35
in
28:36
and
28:36
then
28:36
you
28:36
start
28:37
seeing
28:37
those
28:37
crazy
28:38
numbers.
28:39
So
28:39
he
28:39
kind
28:40
of
28:40
like
28:41
hit
28:41
the
28:41
ground
28:41
running,
28:42
which
28:42
is
28:42
unusual
28:44
for
28:44
someone
28:44
to
28:44
do
28:45
that.
28:46
But.
28:46
But
28:46
yeah,
28:47
it's
28:47
like
28:47
there
28:47
were
28:47
all
28:48
these
28:49
points
28:50
of
28:52
he
28:52
did
28:53
something
28:53
incredible
28:54
and
28:56
you
28:56
didn't
28:56
see
28:56
anybody
28:57
else
28:57
like
28:57
other
28:57
people
28:58
on
28:58
the
28:58
Phillies.
28:59
Like
28:59
you
28:59
had
29:00
Lefty
29:00
o'.
29:01
Tool.
29:01
He
29:01
had
29:02
some
29:02
incredible
29:02
offensive
29:03
numbers
29:03
at
29:03
the
29:03
same
29:04
time,
29:04
but
29:04
it's
29:05
not
29:05
like
29:05
every
29:05
player
29:06
was
29:06
putting
29:07
up
29:07
these
29:07
numbers.
29:08
They
29:08
weren't.
29:09
So
29:09
when
29:10
you
29:10
compare
29:10
him
29:10
with
29:10
his
29:10
teammates.
29:11
Right.
29:11
He's
29:12
still
29:12
awesome.
29:14
Yeah.
29:15
I
29:15
was
29:15
just
29:15
going
29:15
to
29:15
go
29:15
there.
29:16
When
29:16
you
29:16
take
29:16
a
29:16
look
29:16
at
29:16
the
29:17
Phillies,
29:18
you
29:18
know,
29:18
I'm
29:19
looking
29:19
At
29:19
their
29:19
numbers
29:20
from
29:20
the
29:20
1929
29:22
season,
29:23
which
29:23
was,
29:24
which
29:24
was
29:24
Chuck's
29:25
first
29:25
season.
29:27
Chuck,
29:28
you
29:28
know,
29:28
again
29:28
had
29:29
43
29:29
homers
29:30
and
29:30
145
29:31
RBIs.
29:32
Left
29:33
the
29:33
O'
29:33
tool
29:34
had
29:34
32
29:34
homers
29:35
and
29:35
122.
29:37
And
29:37
then
29:38
a
29:38
gentleman
29:39
by
29:39
the
29:39
name
29:39
of
29:40
Don
29:40
hurst,
29:41
he
29:41
hit
29:42
31
29:42
home
29:42
runs.
29:43
So
29:43
it's
29:44
not
29:44
like
29:45
that,
29:45
you
29:46
know,
29:46
lefty
29:47
left,
29:48
Chuck
29:48
Klein
29:49
was,
29:50
you
29:50
know,
29:52
he
29:53
was
29:53
out
29:53
hitting,
29:55
right?
29:55
He
29:55
was
29:56
out
29:56
hitting
29:57
the,
29:57
the
29:57
other
29:58
guys
29:58
on
29:59
his
29:59
team.
30:00
And
30:00
some
30:00
of
30:01
them,
30:01
you
30:01
know,
30:01
left
30:01
the
30:02
o'.
30:02
Tool.
30:02
I
30:02
mean,
30:03
my
30:03
gosh.
30:03
And
30:03
then
30:03
let's
30:04
take
30:04
a
30:04
look
30:04
here.
30:05
You
30:05
know,
30:05
we
30:05
go
30:06
to
30:06
the
30:06
1930
30:07
season
30:08
and
30:09
again,
30:10
he's,
30:11
he,
30:11
he
30:11
is
30:11
out
30:12
hitting
30:12
everyone.
30:13
He
30:13
has
30:13
40
30:14
home
30:14
runs
30:14
and
30:15
left
30:15
field
30:15
duel
30:15
is
30:16
22.
30:16
And
30:17
Don
30:18
Hurst
30:18
is
30:18
17.
30:19
And
30:20
then
30:20
we
30:20
go
30:20
to
30:21
19,
30:22
you
30:23
know,
30:23
the
30:23
1932
30:24
season
30:25
where
30:26
again,
30:27
he
30:27
just
30:27
has
30:27
this
30:28
incredible
30:28
year.
30:30
Not
30:30
as
30:30
powerful.
30:31
31
30:31
homers,
30:32
121
30:33
RBIs,
30:34
and
30:34
he
30:34
hit.337.
30:35
And
30:36
then,
30:36
by
30:36
the
30:36
way,
30:37
he
30:37
had
30:37
a
30:37
Triple
30:38
Crown
30:38
season.
30:39
How
30:39
many
30:40
Triple
30:40
Crown
30:40
seasons
30:41
have
30:42
there
30:42
been
30:42
in
30:43
the
30:43
history
30:43
of
30:43
baseball?
30:44
And
30:45
this
30:45
is
30:45
probably
30:45
one
30:46
of
30:46
the
30:46
most
30:46
overlooked
30:47
ball
30:48
players
30:48
in
30:48
the
30:49
history
30:49
of
30:49
the
30:49
game.
30:50
You
30:50
know,
30:53
he
30:53
just
30:54
continually
30:55
out
30:55
hits
30:56
everybody
30:56
on
30:56
his
30:57
team.
30:57
38
30:58
home
30:58
runs.
30:58
Don
30:58
Hurst
30:59
had
30:59
34,
31:00
had
31:00
24
31:01
home
31:01
runs.
31:02
So
31:05
there
31:06
were
31:06
lefties
31:06
on
31:07
the
31:07
team,
31:07
you
31:07
know,
31:08
just
31:08
like,
31:09
just
31:09
like
31:10
Chuck.
31:11
And
31:12
he
31:12
is
31:12
out
31:13
hitting
31:14
everybody.
31:15
So
31:15
again,
31:15
I
31:16
guess
31:16
the
31:16
question
31:17
is,
31:17
why
31:18
are
31:19
his
31:20
numbers
31:21
not
31:21
as
31:22
celebrated
31:23
as
31:24
lefties
31:26
in
31:26
other
31:26
ballparks
31:27
such
31:27
as
31:28
Yankee
31:29
Stadium
31:29
and
31:29
the
31:30
Polo
31:30
Grounds?
31:30
Yeah,
31:31
well,
31:31
that
31:31
goes
31:31
back.
31:31
You
31:32
asked
31:32
that
31:32
before.
31:32
How
31:33
did
31:33
playing
31:33
on
31:33
the
31:34
Phillies
31:34
affect
31:35
his
31:36
fame?
31:36
And
31:36
you
31:37
know,
31:37
just
31:37
to
31:38
pause
31:38
a
31:38
second
31:39
there,
31:40
he
31:40
happened
31:40
to
31:40
be
31:41
playing,
31:41
like
31:41
you
31:42
point
31:42
out,
31:42
Lefty
31:42
o'.
31:42
Tool.
31:43
He
31:43
just
31:44
happened
31:44
to
31:44
be
31:44
playing
31:44
with
31:44
one
31:45
of
31:45
the
31:45
greatest
31:45
offensive
31:46
players
31:46
also
31:47
in
31:47
the
31:48
game.
31:48
Because
31:48
Lefty
31:48
o'
31:49
Tool
31:49
ranks
31:49
fourth
31:50
all
31:50
time
31:51
for
31:51
career
31:52
batting
31:52
average.
31:52
So,
31:53
you
31:54
know,
31:54
it's
31:54
like
31:54
these
31:54
guys
31:55
were
31:55
good,
31:55
period,
31:56
but
31:57
playing
31:57
for
31:58
the,
31:58
for
31:58
the
31:59
Phillies,
31:59
it
31:59
was
32:00
really
32:00
very
32:00
unfortunate
32:01
because
32:03
they
32:03
were
32:03
bad.
32:04
They
32:05
were
32:05
broke.
32:06
Right.
32:06
They
32:06
had
32:07
no
32:07
money.
32:08
He
32:08
is
32:08
the
32:08
only
32:09
player
32:09
ever
32:10
to
32:10
have
32:10
won
32:10
the
32:10
Triple
32:11
Crown
32:11
and
32:11
then
32:11
betrayed
32:12
it
32:12
the
32:12
next
32:12
year
32:13
because
32:13
they
32:14
needed
32:14
to
32:14
sell
32:14
him.
32:16
So
32:16
playing
32:16
in
32:17
Philadelphia
32:17
was
32:18
very
32:18
unfortunate
32:19
because
32:20
he
32:20
didn't
32:20
get
32:20
a
32:20
lot
32:21
of
32:22
publicity,
32:23
he
32:23
didn't
32:23
get
32:24
a
32:24
lot
32:24
of
32:24
fame.
32:24
And
32:25
that
32:25
would
32:25
have
32:25
made
32:25
it
32:26
easier
32:26
to
32:26
forget
32:27
him,
32:28
you
32:28
know,
32:29
once
32:29
these
32:29
seasons
32:29
were
32:30
passed,
32:30
once
32:30
his
32:30
career
32:31
was
32:31
over.
32:32
Yeah,
32:32
it's
32:33
really
32:33
interesting
32:33
too,
32:34
because
32:34
Again,
32:35
Lefty
32:35
o'.
32:36
Toole,
32:36
I
32:36
mean,
32:36
he's
32:37
got,
32:37
you
32:38
know,
32:38
this,
32:38
this,
32:39
this
32:39
fantastic
32:40
reputation
32:41
as
32:41
a,
32:42
as
32:42
a
32:42
wonderful
32:43
baseball
32:43
player.
32:44
And,
32:44
and
32:44
let's
32:45
be
32:45
honest,
32:45
when
32:45
you
32:45
have
32:46
a
32:46
name
32:47
like
32:47
left
32:47
field,
32:48
it's
32:48
a,
32:48
it's
32:49
a
32:49
little,
32:49
a
32:50
little
32:50
more
32:50
memorable
32:51
than,
32:52
than,
32:53
you
32:54
know,
32:54
Chuck
32:54
Klein.
32:55
Right.
32:56
So,
32:56
you
32:57
know,
32:57
left
32:57
the
32:57
o'
32:58
Tool
32:58
duel,
32:58
you
32:58
know,
33:00
you
33:00
know,
33:01
like
33:01
I
33:01
said,
33:01
a
33:02
much
33:02
more
33:03
memorable
33:03
name.
33:04
And
33:04
you
33:04
know,
33:04
Lefty
33:05
o'
33:05
Tool
33:05
had
33:06
a
33:06
heck
33:06
of
33:06
a
33:06
baseball
33:07
career.
33:07
Right?
33:08
You
33:08
know,
33:08
he,
33:09
he,
33:11
for,
33:11
for
33:11
his
33:11
career,
33:13
you
33:13
know,
33:14
with
33:14
the
33:15
Phillies,
33:15
he
33:15
had
33:16
32
33:17
homers.
33:18
22
33:19
homers
33:21
batted.398
33:23
one
33:24
season.383
33:25
another
33:26
season.
33:26
I
33:27
mean,
33:27
the
33:27
guy
33:27
was
33:27
a
33:28
really
33:29
good,
33:29
solid
33:30
ball
33:30
player.
33:31
But
33:32
was
33:32
he
33:32
as
33:33
good
33:33
as
33:33
Chuck
33:34
Klein?
33:34
The
33:35
numbers
33:35
say
33:35
no,
33:38
but
33:38
Chuck
33:39
Klein,
33:39
and
33:40
going
33:40
back
33:40
to
33:40
what
33:41
you
33:41
said
33:41
earlier,
33:41
had
33:42
a
33:42
terrific
33:42
four
33:43
or
33:43
five
33:43
year
33:44
stretch
33:45
that
33:45
was
33:45
just
33:46
absolutely
33:47
incredible.
33:48
The
33:48
numbers
33:49
that
33:49
he
33:49
put
33:50
up
33:52
over
33:52
that
33:52
period
33:53
of
33:53
time
33:54
rank
33:55
as
33:55
some
33:55
of
33:55
the
33:56
best
33:56
ever.
33:56
I
33:57
mean,
33:57
you
33:58
know,
33:58
from
33:58
1929
34:00
through
34:01
1933.
34:02
We'll
34:02
go
34:02
back
34:02
to
34:03
total
34:03
bases.
34:04
405
34:06
in,
34:06
in
34:06
1929,
34:08
his
34:08
first
34:08
full
34:09
season.
34:10
And
34:10
then
34:11
he
34:11
goes
34:11
four
34:12
straight
34:12
years
34:12
where
34:13
he
34:13
leads
34:13
the
34:13
National
34:14
League.
34:14
445.
34:15
347,
34:16
420,
34:18
365.
34:20
He
34:20
has
34:20
his
34:21
Triple
34:21
Crown
34:21
season
34:22
in
34:22
1933
34:23
with
34:23
28
34:24
home
34:24
runs,
34:25
120
34:26
RBI,
34:27
368
34:28
batting
34:29
average.
34:29
The
34:29
guy
34:29
was
34:30
a
34:30
doubles
34:30
machine.
34:32
59,
34:33
34,
34:34
50,
34:34
44.
34:36
That
34:37
period
34:37
of
34:37
time,
34:40
he
34:40
was
34:41
one
34:42
of
34:42
the
34:42
best
34:43
players
34:43
in
34:44
baseball.
34:45
And
34:45
I
34:46
believe
34:46
the
34:46
Philadelphia
34:47
sports
34:47
writers
34:48
labeled
34:49
him
34:50
as
34:53
the
34:53
Babe
34:53
Ruth
34:54
of
34:55
the
34:55
National
34:55
League.
34:58
And
34:59
it's
34:59
really
34:59
interesting
35:00
when
35:00
you
35:00
take
35:00
a
35:01
look
35:01
at
35:02
MVP
35:03
voting.
35:05
He,
35:07
he
35:07
won
35:08
the
35:08
MVP
35:09
in
35:10
1932.
35:12
In
35:13
1931,
35:16
he
35:16
had
35:17
a
35:17
phenomenal
35:18
year.
35:19
And
35:20
I
35:20
wonder,
35:21
had
35:21
he
35:21
won
35:22
the
35:22
MVP
35:23
that
35:23
year,
35:23
went
35:24
back
35:24
to
35:24
back
35:26
if
35:26
that
35:26
would
35:26
have
35:27
changed
35:27
his
35:27
reputation
35:28
because
35:29
in
35:29
the
35:29
end
35:30
his
35:31
numbers
35:31
were
35:32
better
35:32
than
35:32
the
35:32
guy
35:33
who
35:34
won
35:34
the
35:34
MVP.
35:35
So
35:35
Frankie
35:35
Frisch
35:36
from
35:36
the
35:36
Cardinals
35:38
hit.311.
35:40
Chuck
35:40
hit.337.
35:44
Chuck
35:44
had
35:44
121
35:45
RBI.
35:46
So
35:46
82
35:46
for
35:47
Frisch.
35:47
31
35:48
home
35:48
runs
35:48
to
35:49
4
35:49
for
35:49
Frisch,
35:50
200
35:51
hits
35:51
to
35:51
161
35:53
for
35:53
Frisch.
35:54
And
35:54
yet
35:55
it's
35:55
because
35:57
the
35:57
Phillies
35:58
finished
35:59
35
36:00
games
36:02
behind
36:02
the
36:02
Cardinals
36:03
for
36:03
first
36:04
place.
36:04
Wow.
36:06
So.
36:08
And
36:08
there's
36:09
a
36:09
game,
36:09
there's
36:09
a
36:09
name
36:10
doesn't
36:11
ring
36:11
a
36:11
bell.
36:11
Frankie
36:11
Frisch.
36:13
Yeah,
36:13
I
36:13
mean,
36:14
you
36:14
know,
36:14
not
36:14
everybody
36:15
remembers
36:17
Frankie
36:17
Frisch
36:18
for
36:18
sure,
36:20
but
36:21
how,
36:24
how
36:24
much
36:26
did
36:27
in
36:27
your
36:28
estimation,
36:28
did
36:28
Klein's
36:29
career
36:31
after
36:31
those
36:33
five
36:33
seasons,
36:34
six
36:34
seasons
36:35
that
36:35
he
36:35
was
36:35
with,
36:36
you
36:37
know,
36:37
his
36:37
first.
36:37
His
36:38
first
36:38
six
36:38
seasons
36:39
in
36:40
Major
36:40
League
36:40
Baseball,
36:42
and
36:43
then
36:43
the
36:43
trade
36:44
to
36:44
the
36:44
Cubs.
36:46
Talk
36:46
a
36:46
little
36:46
more
36:47
about
36:47
the
36:47
trade
36:48
to
36:48
the
36:48
Cubs
36:49
and
36:49
how
36:49
that
36:49
really
36:50
did
36:50
affect
36:51
Klein's
36:52
reputation.
36:53
And
36:53
again,
36:54
take
36:54
us
36:54
through
36:55
the
36:55
mechanics
36:56
of
36:56
why
36:57
he
36:57
was
36:57
traded
36:58
to
36:58
the
36:58
Cubs.
36:59
Well,
36:59
it's.
37:00
It's
37:00
my
37:00
understanding
37:01
from,
37:01
you
37:02
know,
37:02
the
37:02
things
37:02
that
37:02
I've
37:03
read
37:03
and
37:04
seen,
37:04
that
37:05
it
37:05
was
37:05
about
37:05
money.
37:06
It
37:06
was
37:06
about
37:06
the
37:07
Phillies
37:07
trying
37:08
to
37:08
unload,
37:09
and.
37:14
They.
37:15
They
37:15
were,
37:15
you
37:16
know,
37:16
running
37:17
out
37:17
of
37:17
money.
37:17
They
37:17
were
37:18
poor,
37:18
and
37:18
so
37:19
they
37:19
traded
37:19
him
37:20
to
37:20
get
37:20
some
37:20
money,
37:21
and
37:23
that
37:24
was
37:24
the
37:24
meat
37:24
of
37:25
it.
37:25
And
37:25
so
37:25
he
37:25
goes
37:26
to
37:26
the
37:26
Cubs
37:26
and
37:26
then
37:28
he
37:28
doesn't
37:29
do
37:29
as
37:29
well.
37:29
He
37:30
has
37:30
these
37:30
injuries.
37:31
And,
37:33
you
37:33
know,
37:33
I'm
37:33
pretty
37:34
sure
37:34
injuries
37:34
plagued
37:35
him
37:35
because,
37:35
like,
37:36
you
37:36
also
37:36
look
37:36
at
37:37
his
37:37
numbers.
37:38
Like
37:38
he's
37:38
playing
37:39
for
37:39
a
37:39
long
37:39
time
37:39
afterward,
37:40
many
37:40
years,
37:41
but
37:41
in
37:42
and
37:42
out
37:42
like
37:42
this,
37:43
not
37:43
complete,
37:44
not
37:44
full
37:44
seasons.
37:45
And
37:45
so,
37:47
like,
37:47
he's
37:47
struggling,
37:48
but
37:48
still
37:48
managing
37:49
to
37:49
hang
37:49
on.
37:51
But
37:51
yeah,
37:51
I
37:51
mean,
37:53
what
37:53
would
37:53
it
37:54
have
37:54
been
37:54
like
37:54
for
37:54
him
37:55
to
37:55
be
37:55
celebrated?
37:57
Like,
37:57
for
37:57
him
37:57
to
37:58
really
37:58
have
37:59
been
37:59
appreciated
38:00
not
38:01
only
38:01
by
38:01
fans,
38:02
but
38:02
by
38:02
his
38:03
team,
38:03
by,
38:04
you
38:04
know,
38:04
by
38:04
owners,
38:06
by
38:06
recognizing
38:07
what
38:07
he
38:08
was
38:08
doing,
38:08
like,
38:09
psychologically,
38:10
I'm
38:10
sure
38:10
it
38:10
would
38:10
have
38:11
made
38:11
a
38:11
big
38:12
difference.
38:13
Do
38:14
you.
38:19
How
38:19
much
38:21
did
38:24
the
38:25
gosh,
38:25
the
38:25
Phillies
38:26
ineptitude
38:27
on
38:28
the
38:28
field
38:31
affect.
38:34
The
38:34
owner
38:35
at
38:35
the
38:35
time
38:35
was
38:35
a
38:35
guy
38:36
by
38:36
the
38:36
name
38:36
of
38:36
Gerald
38:37
Nugent.
38:38
How
38:38
much
38:39
did.
38:39
Did.
38:41
Did
38:42
that
38:42
affect
38:44
his
38:45
ability
38:46
to
38:46
pay
38:47
a
38:47
player
38:47
like
38:48
Chuck
38:48
Klein
38:49
what
38:49
Chuck
38:49
Klein
38:50
should
38:50
have
38:50
been
38:50
paid?
38:50
I
38:50
mean,
38:51
I
38:51
read
38:51
where
38:52
Klein,
38:53
I
38:53
think,
38:53
was
38:53
making
38:54
like
38:56
$20,000
38:57
a
38:57
year
38:58
compared
38:58
to
38:58
Babe
38:59
Ruth
38:59
making
39:00
$80,000
39:01
a
39:01
year.
39:01
And
39:02
again,
39:02
I'
39:03
should
39:03
have
39:03
been
39:03
paid
39:04
like
39:04
Babe
39:04
Ruth,
39:05
but
39:05
his
39:05
salary
39:06
was
39:06
pretty
39:07
low
39:07
and.
39:07
And
39:08
when
39:08
he
39:08
was
39:08
traded
39:09
to
39:09
the
39:09
Cubs,
39:11
he
39:11
got
39:11
one
39:12
of
39:12
his
39:12
biggest
39:12
salaries
39:13
ever,
39:13
$30,000
39:14
a
39:15
year.
39:17
Just
39:17
how
39:18
bad.
39:19
Why
39:20
were
39:20
the
39:20
Phillies.
39:20
I
39:20
don't
39:21
know
39:21
if
39:21
you
39:21
can
39:21
answer
39:21
this.
39:21
Why
39:22
were.
39:22
Whatever
39:22
the
39:23
Phillies
39:23
did,
39:23
they
39:23
just
39:24
couldn't
39:24
put
39:24
a
39:24
winning
39:25
team
39:25
on
39:25
the
39:25
field?
39:26
Yeah,
39:26
I
39:27
don't
39:27
know
39:27
about
39:27
that.
39:28
I
39:28
mean,
39:29
um,
39:30
it's
39:30
surprising
39:30
that
39:30
they
39:31
got
39:31
client
39:31
in
39:31
the
39:31
first
39:32
place,
39:32
you
39:32
know,
39:32
Cause
39:32
they
39:33
weren't.
39:33
They
39:34
were
39:34
struggling.
39:35
It's
39:35
mismanaged
39:37
financially
39:38
and.
39:38
And
39:38
on
39:38
the
39:39
field,
39:39
and
39:39
things
39:40
didn't
39:41
go
39:41
right.
39:41
And
39:41
it
39:42
may
39:43
have
39:43
been
39:43
a
39:43
lack
39:43
of
39:44
actual
39:44
appreciation
39:45
for
39:47
putting
39:47
together
39:48
a
39:48
winning
39:48
team,
39:48
like,
39:48
in
39:49
terms
39:49
of
39:49
what
39:49
was
39:49
important.
39:49
And
39:50
I
39:50
remember
39:51
Connie
39:52
Mack,
39:52
like,
39:52
he
39:53
would
39:53
get
39:53
players
39:53
and
39:53
then
39:54
sell
39:54
them
39:54
off
39:54
and
39:54
kind
39:55
of
39:55
sell
39:55
off
39:55
the
39:55
whole
39:55
teams.
39:56
And
39:57
it
39:57
was
39:57
more
39:57
of
39:57
a
39:57
business
39:59
than,
40:01
you
40:01
know,
40:01
a
40:01
love
40:02
of
40:02
the
40:02
game.
40:02
And,
40:03
you
40:03
know,
40:03
baseball
40:04
straddles
40:05
that
40:05
line.
40:05
And
40:06
sometimes
40:06
it's
40:07
hard
40:07
to
40:09
really
40:09
be
40:10
on
40:10
one
40:10
side
40:11
wholeheartedly.
40:12
But
40:12
if
40:13
you're
40:13
on
40:13
the
40:13
business
40:14
side,
40:14
then
40:14
you're
40:14
missing
40:15
a
40:15
big
40:15
part
40:15
of
40:15
the
40:15
game.
40:16
And
40:16
that
40:16
can
40:17
have
40:17
its
40:17
effects.
40:18
And
40:18
like,
40:18
I
40:19
would,
40:21
I
40:21
would
40:22
think
40:22
that
40:23
really
40:23
factored
40:24
into
40:24
the
40:24
Phillies
40:25
struggling
40:26
and,
40:27
you
40:27
know,
40:27
that
40:27
other
40:27
point,
40:29
the
40:29
ineptitude
40:30
and
40:30
what's
40:31
going
40:31
on
40:31
on
40:31
the
40:31
field,
40:32
that
40:32
that
40:32
would
40:32
take
40:32
its
40:33
toll
40:33
too.
40:33
It's
40:34
like
40:34
it's
40:34
an
40:35
individual
40:36
game,
40:36
but
40:36
it's
40:36
a
40:36
team
40:36
game
40:37
and
40:37
the
40:37
two
40:37
feet
40:37
off
40:38
each
40:38
other.
40:38
And
40:38
so
40:39
if
40:39
Klein
40:40
is
40:40
having
40:40
these
40:41
tremendous
40:42
seasons,
40:42
but
40:43
his
40:43
teammates
40:44
are
40:44
not,
40:44
and
40:45
things
40:45
are
40:45
going
40:46
wrong,
40:47
you
40:47
know,
40:47
that's,
40:48
that's
40:48
going
40:48
to
40:48
affect
40:49
you
40:49
somehow.
40:50
It's
40:50
really
40:51
amazing
40:51
how
40:52
much
40:52
that
40:52
injury
40:53
to
40:53
his
40:53
leg
40:54
affected
40:54
his
40:54
career
40:55
because.
40:55
Right.
40:56
He
40:56
had
40:56
that
40:56
Triple
40:56
Crown
40:57
season.
40:57
He
40:57
gets
40:58
traded
40:58
to,
40:59
to
40:59
the
40:59
Cubs
41:00
in
41:01
the
41:01
off
41:01
season,
41:02
he
41:02
gets
41:02
off
41:03
to
41:03
a
41:03
decent
41:03
start
41:04
and
41:04
then
41:04
he
41:04
has
41:04
the
41:05
injury.
41:05
So
41:05
his
41:05
first
41:06
year
41:06
with
41:06
the
41:06
Cubs,
41:07
it's.301
41:08
with
41:09
20
41:09
homers
41:10
and
41:10
80
41:11
RBIs,
41:12
but,
41:12
you
41:12
know,
41:12
it's
41:12
nothing
41:13
compared
41:14
to
41:14
what
41:14
he
41:15
had
41:15
been
41:15
doing.
41:15
And
41:16
I
41:16
think
41:16
that
41:16
that
41:16
injury
41:17
really
41:17
affected
41:18
him
41:18
the
41:18
rest
41:19
of
41:19
his
41:19
career.
41:20
He
41:20
only
41:20
played
41:20
with
41:21
the
41:21
Cubs,
41:21
as
41:21
we
41:21
said,
41:22
for
41:22
three
41:22
seasons.
41:23
What
41:23
do
41:24
you
41:24
know,
41:24
what
41:24
the
41:24
circumstances
41:25
were
41:26
for,
41:27
why
41:27
the
41:27
Cubs
41:28
sent
41:28
him
41:29
back
41:29
to
41:29
Philadelphia?
41:30
I,
41:31
like,
41:31
I
41:31
remember
41:32
it
41:32
being
41:34
like
41:35
part
41:35
of
41:35
a
41:35
trade,
41:36
you
41:36
know,
41:36
like
41:37
mixed
41:38
with
41:38
other
41:38
players,
41:39
but
41:39
I'm
41:39
not
41:39
sure
41:42
what
41:42
exactly
41:42
it
41:42
entailed.
41:43
But,
41:43
you
41:44
know,
41:44
as
41:44
you're
41:44
talking
41:44
about
41:45
the
41:45
injury
41:45
and
41:45
how
41:45
much
41:45
it
41:46
affected
41:46
him,
41:46
like,
41:46
I'm
41:47
a,
41:47
I'm
41:48
a
41:48
therapist,
41:48
and
41:49
I
41:49
work
41:50
in
41:50
specific
41:51
areas
41:52
to
41:52
help
41:52
people
41:53
with
41:54
pain
41:54
or
41:54
chronic
41:55
pain.
41:56
And
41:56
when
41:56
you
41:56
look
41:56
at
41:56
the
41:57
numbers,
41:57
it's
41:58
shocking
41:59
how
42:00
many
42:00
people
42:00
have
42:01
unexplained
42:02
medical,
42:02
medical
42:03
pain,
42:03
meaning
42:04
it's
42:06
psychological,
42:06
it's
42:07
emotional,
42:07
it's
42:08
not
42:08
structural.
42:09
So
42:10
it
42:10
can
42:11
come
42:11
about
42:11
through
42:11
emotional
42:12
or
42:12
psychological.
42:13
It
42:13
can
42:13
come
42:13
about
42:14
through
42:14
an
42:14
actual
42:15
structural
42:15
injury,
42:16
but
42:16
then
42:16
it
42:16
can
42:16
linger
42:17
and
42:17
stay
42:17
there
42:17
because
42:18
of
42:18
other
42:19
issues.
42:20
And,
42:20
you
42:20
know,
42:21
as
42:21
we're
42:21
talking
42:21
about
42:22
all
42:22
these
42:22
issues
42:23
that
42:23
affected
42:24
Klein,
42:26
the
42:26
bumbling
42:27
on
42:27
the
42:27
Phillies,
42:28
him
42:28
being
42:28
traded
42:29
after
42:29
you
42:29
win
42:29
the
42:29
Triple
42:29
Crown,
42:30
you
42:30
know,
42:30
there,
42:30
there
42:30
could
42:31
have
42:31
been
42:32
lingering
42:32
effects
42:33
that
42:33
contributed
42:34
to
42:34
not
42:35
only
42:35
the,
42:35
the
42:36
injury
42:36
itself,
42:36
but
42:36
for
42:37
it
42:37
lingering
42:37
and
42:38
for
42:38
him
42:39
not
42:39
healing.
42:41
Yeah,
42:41
I,
42:42
I,
42:42
I
42:42
think
42:43
there's
42:43
definitely
42:44
some
42:45
mental,
42:48
you
42:49
know,
42:49
effects.
42:50
He
42:51
was
42:51
affected
42:51
Definitely
42:52
mentally,
42:53
by.
42:53
By
42:53
that
42:53
trade
42:54
and
42:54
then
42:55
the
42:55
injury
42:56
and.
42:56
Yeah,
42:56
he
42:57
was
42:57
traded
42:57
by
42:58
the
42:58
Cubs
42:58
back
42:58
to
42:58
the
42:59
Phillies
42:59
with
42:59
a
42:59
guy
42:59
by
43:00
the
43:00
name
43:00
of
43:00
Fabian
43:01
Koalik
43:03
for
43:03
Ethan
43:03
Allen
43:04
and
43:04
Kurt
43:04
Davis.
43:07
How
43:08
much,
43:08
when
43:08
we
43:08
look,
43:09
because
43:09
we're
43:09
going
43:09
to
43:09
go
43:09
to
43:09
the
43:10
hall
43:10
of
43:10
Fame
43:10
in
43:10
a
43:10
second.
43:12
How
43:12
much
43:13
do
43:13
you
43:13
think
43:15
again,
43:15
he
43:16
comes.
43:17
I
43:18
mean,
43:18
his
43:18
first
43:18
six
43:19
years
43:19
or
43:19
five
43:20
years,
43:20
whatever
43:20
it
43:20
was,
43:21
are
43:21
off
43:22
the
43:22
charts.
43:22
Good.
43:23
I
43:23
mean,
43:23
he
43:23
is
43:24
100%
43:24
on
43:25
a
43:25
hall
43:25
of
43:25
Fame
43:25
trajectory.
43:27
I
43:27
don't
43:27
care
43:27
if
43:27
he's
43:27
playing
43:27
in
43:28
the
43:28
Baker
43:28
bowl
43:29
or
43:29
he's
43:30
playing
43:30
at
43:30
the
43:31
Polo
43:31
Grounds.
43:32
Wherever
43:32
it
43:32
is
43:32
he's
43:33
playing,
43:33
he
43:33
is
43:33
on
43:33
his
43:34
way
43:34
to
43:34
the
43:34
hall
43:34
of
43:34
Fame
43:35
at
43:35
that
43:35
point.
43:36
Gets
43:36
traded
43:37
to
43:37
the
43:37
Cubs,
43:37
has
43:38
the
43:38
injury,
43:39
does
43:40
not
43:40
put
43:40
up
43:40
the
43:41
same
43:41
kind
43:41
of
43:41
numbers.
43:43
And
43:44
then,
43:45
you
43:45
know,
43:45
he
43:45
goes
43:46
back
43:46
to
43:46
the
43:46
Phillies
43:47
for
43:47
a
43:47
couple
43:47
of
43:47
years.
43:48
They
43:48
caught
43:49
him.
43:49
He
43:49
goes
43:49
to
43:50
the
43:50
Pirates.
43:51
And,
43:52
you
43:52
know,
43:52
with
43:52
the
43:53
Pirates,
43:53
that's,
43:54
you
43:54
know,
43:54
he.
43:55
He
43:55
doesn't
43:56
have
43:56
much.
43:57
You
43:57
know,
43:58
he.
43:59
By
43:59
that
43:59
time,
44:00
he's
44:00
34
44:01
years
44:01
old
44:02
and
44:02
he's
44:02
struggling,
44:03
but
44:03
he
44:04
played
44:04
until
44:04
he
44:05
was
44:05
39.
44:05
He's
44:06
sort
44:06
of
44:06
like,
44:06
just
44:07
hung
44:08
on.
44:08
How
44:08
much
44:09
did
44:09
the
44:09
end
44:09
of
44:09
his
44:10
career,
44:10
you
44:10
know,
44:11
the
44:11
diminish,
44:12
the
44:12
diminishing
44:13
numbers,
44:14
the
44:14
fact
44:14
that
44:14
he
44:15
couldn't
44:15
get
44:15
on
44:15
the
44:15
field,
44:15
that
44:16
he
44:16
wasn't
44:16
a
44:16
starter,
44:17
how
44:17
much
44:18
do
44:18
you
44:18
think
44:18
that
44:18
also
44:19
affected
44:19
his
44:20
reputation?
44:21
Definitely,
44:22
I
44:22
think
44:22
it
44:23
would
44:23
have
44:24
tremendously
44:24
affected
44:25
his
44:25
reputation
44:26
because,
44:27
I
44:27
mean,
44:27
you
44:27
think
44:28
of
44:28
mythical
44:28
figures,
44:29
they
44:29
go
44:29
out
44:30
with
44:30
a
44:30
bang.
44:30
I
44:31
mean,
44:31
Lou
44:32
Gehrig,
44:32
right.
44:34
Like,
44:34
I
44:34
mean,
44:35
he
44:35
couldn't
44:35
have
44:35
kept
44:35
playing.
44:36
His
44:36
body
44:36
wouldn't
44:36
allow
44:37
him
44:37
to.
44:38
But
44:39
hanging
44:40
on.
44:45
Definitely
44:45
affects
44:46
legacy.
44:47
And
44:47
I
44:47
think
44:48
a
44:48
ballplayer
44:48
at
44:48
the
44:49
time
44:49
isn't
44:49
thinking.
44:50
Well,
44:50
I
44:50
think
44:51
they
44:51
are
44:51
thinking
44:52
about
44:52
legacy,
44:52
but
44:53
it's
44:54
more.
44:54
This
44:55
is
44:55
all
44:55
I
44:55
know,
44:56
and
44:56
I
44:57
want
44:57
to
44:57
keep
44:57
playing.
44:58
And.
45:00
That
45:00
was
45:01
Chuck
45:01
Klein.
45:02
And,
45:03
you
45:03
know,
45:04
maybe
45:05
he
45:05
also
45:05
didn't
45:05
want
45:06
to
45:06
stop
45:06
because
45:07
then
45:07
his
45:08
mind
45:08
would
45:08
settle
45:08
and
45:08
then
45:09
he
45:09
would
45:09
be
45:09
stuck
45:09
with
45:10
himself
45:11
because
45:11
when
45:11
he
45:12
stopped,
45:13
his
45:13
relationships
45:14
failed.
45:15
He
45:15
became
45:16
an
45:16
alcoholic
45:16
and
45:17
had
45:18
just
45:18
problem
45:19
after
45:19
problem.
45:19
His
45:20
business
45:20
has
45:20
failed.
45:21
So,
45:22
you
45:22
know,
45:22
people
45:22
keep
45:23
busy
45:23
a
45:23
lot
45:23
of
45:23
the
45:23
time
45:24
because
45:25
they
45:25
can't
45:26
face
45:27
just
45:27
being
45:27
still
45:28
and
45:28
what
45:28
comes
45:29
up
45:29
from
45:29
that.
45:30
And
45:31
when
45:31
he
45:31
stopped,
45:32
a
45:32
lot
45:33
of
45:33
bad
45:33
things
45:34
happened.
45:35
Yeah,
45:35
a
45:35
lot
45:36
of
45:36
bad
45:36
things
45:36
did
45:37
happen.
45:37
And
45:37
you.
45:37
And
45:38
you
45:38
discussed
45:39
that
45:39
on
45:39
your
45:40
podcast.
45:42
And
45:42
of
45:42
course,
45:43
the
45:43
worst
45:44
thing
45:45
was
45:45
he
45:45
suffered
45:46
a
45:46
stroke.
45:46
He
45:47
was
45:47
pretty
45:47
young
45:47
when
45:48
he
45:48
suffered
45:48
that
45:48
stroke.
45:49
He
45:49
was
45:49
only
45:49
43
45:50
years
45:50
old.
45:51
I
45:51
mean,
45:52
he.
45:52
He
45:53
he
45:53
wasn't
45:53
discovered
45:55
to
45:55
be,
45:55
you
45:56
know,
45:57
at
45:57
a
45:57
very
45:57
young
45:58
age.
45:58
I
45:58
mean,
45:59
he
45:59
debuted
45:59
with
46:00
the
46:00
Phillies
46:00
at
46:00
23.
46:01
He
46:01
could
46:01
have
46:01
probably,
46:02
had
46:02
he
46:02
been
46:02
discovered
46:03
earlier.
46:03
You
46:04
know,
46:04
he.
46:04
He
46:05
could
46:05
have
46:06
debuted
46:06
earlier,
46:07
a
46:08
couple
46:08
of
46:08
other
46:08
big
46:09
seasons
46:09
as
46:09
well.
46:10
And
46:10
he.
46:10
He
46:10
played
46:11
until
46:11
he
46:11
was
46:11
39
46:12
years
46:12
old.
46:12
And
46:13
then,
46:13
like
46:14
you
46:14
said,
46:14
failing
46:14
businesses
46:15
became,
46:16
you
46:16
know,
46:16
drank
46:17
a
46:17
little
46:17
too
46:17
much,
46:18
and,
46:18
you
46:19
know,
46:19
his
46:19
marriage
46:20
struggled.
46:21
We
46:21
suffered
46:21
this
46:22
stroke.
46:24
And
46:25
I
46:25
don't
46:26
think
46:27
it's
46:27
fair
46:29
that
46:29
something
46:30
that
46:30
happens
46:31
to
46:31
you
46:32
medically
46:34
after
46:35
your
46:35
career
46:36
is
46:36
over
46:38
should
46:38
actually
46:39
affect
46:40
your
46:40
candidacy
46:42
for
46:42
the
46:42
hall
46:43
of
46:43
Fame.
46:44
But
46:44
on
46:44
your
46:45
podcast,
46:45
you
46:46
mentioned
46:47
the
46:47
stroke.
46:48
You
46:48
mentioned
46:49
he
46:50
was
46:50
paralyzed.
46:52
I
46:52
think
46:52
he
46:53
lost
46:53
control
46:53
of
46:53
one
46:54
of
46:54
his
46:54
legs
46:54
or
46:55
something
46:55
like
46:55
that.
46:56
You
46:57
know,
46:57
when
46:57
people
46:57
saw
46:58
him
46:58
in
46:58
public,
46:58
it
46:59
was
46:59
almost
46:59
like
46:59
a.
47:03
He
47:03
was
47:03
a
47:03
shell
47:03
of
47:04
what
47:04
he
47:04
used
47:04
to
47:04
be.
47:05
Yeah.
47:05
How
47:06
much
47:06
do
47:06
you
47:07
think?
47:09
Again,
47:10
it's
47:10
speculation.
47:11
And
47:11
that's
47:12
what
47:12
makes
47:12
a
47:12
lot
47:13
of
47:13
this
47:13
so
47:13
much
47:13
fun
47:14
when
47:14
we.
47:14
We
47:15
talk
47:15
about,
47:15
you
47:15
know,
47:17
revisionist
47:18
history.
47:18
Right.
47:18
As
47:18
you
47:19
had
47:19
said
47:19
before,
47:20
how
47:20
much
47:20
do
47:20
you
47:21
think
47:21
that
47:22
seeing
47:23
Chuck
47:24
Klein
47:25
in
47:25
that
47:25
state
47:26
also
47:27
affected
47:28
his
47:28
candidacy
47:30
for
47:30
the
47:30
hall
47:30
of
47:31
Fame?
47:32
Well,
47:33
at
47:33
this
47:33
time,
47:35
you
47:35
know,
47:35
you
47:35
don't
47:35
have
47:35
social
47:36
media.
47:36
There
47:37
are
47:38
limited
47:38
forms
47:39
of
47:40
keeping
47:40
yourself
47:42
alive
47:42
in
47:43
the
47:43
public
47:43
image
47:44
or
47:44
in
47:44
the
47:44
baseball
47:45
community.
47:45
So
47:46
I
47:47
think
47:47
a
47:47
lot
47:47
of
47:47
it
47:47
was
47:48
not
47:48
being
47:49
seen
47:51
as
47:51
yourself,
47:53
as
47:53
you
47:53
were,
47:54
and
47:54
being
47:54
able
47:55
to
47:55
say,
47:55
hey,
47:55
I'm
47:55
still
47:56
around
47:56
and
47:56
remember
47:57
me.
47:57
You
47:57
know,
47:58
he
47:58
kind
47:58
of.
47:58
He
47:59
became
47:59
invisible.
48:00
He
48:00
became
48:00
invisible
48:01
in
48:01
his
48:01
last
48:01
few
48:01
years
48:02
in
48:02
the
48:02
league,
48:03
and
48:03
he
48:03
became
48:03
invisible
48:04
in
48:04
life
48:05
as.
48:06
I
48:07
wonder,
48:07
too,
48:07
you
48:08
know,
48:08
as
48:08
you're
48:08
saying,
48:08
he
48:08
became
48:09
the
48:09
shelve
48:09
of
48:10
himself.
48:10
People
48:10
didn't
48:11
actually
48:11
recognize,
48:12
wait,
48:12
that's
48:12
Chuck
48:12
Klein,
48:13
because,
48:13
you
48:13
know,
48:14
he'd
48:14
aged
48:15
significantly.
48:16
He
48:16
was
48:16
recovering
48:17
from
48:17
a
48:17
stroke,
48:18
and
48:18
so
48:19
your.
48:19
Your
48:20
mind
48:21
might
48:21
not
48:21
put
48:21
those
48:22
pieces
48:22
together.
48:22
The
48:23
man
48:23
I'm
48:23
looking
48:23
at
48:24
who's
48:24
walking
48:24
or
48:24
shuffling
48:25
by
48:25
right
48:25
now
48:25
is
48:26
the
48:26
same
48:27
Chuck
48:27
Klein
48:28
who
48:28
had
48:28
those
48:28
amazing
48:28
seasons.
48:29
And
48:30
little
48:30
by
48:30
little,
48:31
he
48:32
fades
48:32
from
48:32
your
48:33
memory.
48:33
And,
48:34
you
48:34
know,
48:35
the
48:36
people
48:36
who
48:36
were
48:36
voting
48:37
from
48:37
the
48:37
hall
48:38
of
48:38
Fame,
48:40
he
48:41
may
48:41
have
48:42
slipped
48:42
from
48:43
their
48:43
consideration,
48:44
like,
48:45
enough,
48:45
because
48:46
he.
48:46
He
48:46
never
48:47
received
48:47
much
48:47
of
48:48
a
48:48
vote
48:48
in
48:49
those
48:49
first
48:49
years
48:50
until
48:50
he
48:50
was
48:51
ineligible.
48:52
Like,
48:52
he.
48:53
He.
48:53
I
48:53
don't
48:53
remember
48:54
the
48:54
numbers,
48:54
but
48:54
the
48:54
percentages
48:55
were
48:55
very
48:56
low
48:56
in
48:56
terms
48:56
of
48:56
each
48:57
year.
48:57
How
48:57
much
48:57
of
48:57
the
48:57
vote
48:58
he
48:58
would
48:58
get.
49:01
Was
49:01
he
49:01
comfortable,
49:03
you
49:04
know,
49:04
this.
49:04
Was
49:04
he
49:04
comfortable
49:05
with
49:05
fame?
49:05
Was
49:06
he.
49:06
Was
49:06
he
49:07
really
49:07
well
49:07
known
49:08
during
49:08
those
49:08
years?
49:09
And
49:09
was
49:10
he
49:10
comfortable
49:10
with
49:11
fame?
49:11
And
49:13
did
49:13
he
49:13
struggle
49:14
with
49:14
life,
49:14
being
49:15
in
49:15
or
49:16
out
49:16
of
49:16
the
49:16
spotlight.
49:17
That's
49:17
a
49:18
tough
49:18
question.
49:19
I
49:19
know.
49:19
Like,
49:20
he
49:20
talked
49:20
about
49:21
when
49:21
he
49:21
had
49:21
those
49:22
good
49:22
years
49:22
in
49:22
the
49:22
beginning,
49:23
he.
49:24
He
49:25
talked
49:25
about
49:26
kind
49:26
of
49:26
in
49:26
an
49:27
aw,
49:27
shucks
49:27
way,
49:28
like,
49:28
yeah,
49:28
I.
49:29
I
49:29
can't.
49:29
I
49:29
can't
49:30
believe
49:30
I'm
49:30
in
49:30
this
49:30
place.
49:31
Like,
49:31
I
49:31
came
49:31
from
49:32
a.
49:32
I
49:32
came
49:33
from
49:33
a
49:33
steel
49:33
mill,
49:33
and
49:34
here
49:34
I
49:34
am
49:34
today.
49:35
So
49:36
it
49:37
must
49:37
have
49:38
been
49:38
overwhelming.
49:38
But
49:39
it.
49:39
It's
49:39
hard
49:39
to
49:39
say
49:40
exactly
49:40
what
49:40
was
49:40
going
49:41
on
49:41
inside.
49:41
And,
49:42
you
49:42
know,
49:42
this
49:42
is
49:42
a
49:42
period
49:44
I.
49:45
I
49:45
would
49:46
almost
49:46
guarantee
49:47
that
49:47
he's
49:47
stuffing,
49:48
like,
49:49
his
49:49
feelings.
49:49
You
49:50
know,
49:50
he's
49:50
a
49:51
strong
49:51
man.
49:51
He
49:51
comes
49:51
from
49:52
this
49:52
period
49:53
of
49:54
the
49:54
silent,
49:55
you
49:55
know,
49:55
the
49:55
silent
49:56
strong
49:56
man.
49:57
And
49:57
so
49:58
he
49:58
is
49:58
probably
49:59
not
49:59
aware
49:59
of,
50:00
you
50:00
know,
50:00
99
50:01
of
50:01
what's
50:02
going
50:02
on
50:02
inside,
50:03
but
50:04
all
50:04
those
50:04
things
50:04
are
50:05
affecting
50:05
him
50:05
in
50:05
some
50:06
way
50:06
anyway.
50:07
And
50:07
so
50:08
that
50:08
could
50:09
lead
50:09
to
50:09
the
50:09
drinking.
50:10
You
50:10
know,
50:10
drinking
50:11
is
50:12
a
50:12
form
50:12
of
50:12
avoidance,
50:14
but
50:14
there
50:14
are
50:14
many
50:15
other
50:15
forms
50:15
of
50:15
avoidance.
50:16
And
50:16
so
50:16
all
50:16
of
50:17
those
50:17
keep
50:17
you
50:17
from
50:17
really
50:18
knowing
50:18
what's
50:18
going
50:18
on,
50:19
you.
50:20
Know,
50:20
why
50:20
he
50:20
had
50:20
such
50:21
a
50:21
tough
50:21
time
50:21
adjusting
50:22
to
50:22
life
50:22
after
50:23
baseball.
50:26
I
50:26
mean,
50:28
I
50:28
don't
50:28
know
50:29
specifically,
50:30
like,
50:30
from
50:30
what
50:30
I
50:30
said,
50:32
you
50:32
know,
50:32
him
50:33
sticking
50:33
around.
50:34
It's
50:34
like.
50:36
I
50:36
guess
50:36
there
50:36
are
50:36
two.
50:37
Two
50:38
things.
50:39
Two
50:39
truths
50:40
pop
50:40
out
50:40
to
50:40
me.
50:40
It's
50:41
like
50:41
for
50:41
a
50:41
baseball
50:41
player
50:42
who
50:42
sticks
50:42
around,
50:45
one
50:45
is,
50:46
you
50:46
know,
50:47
you're
50:47
avoiding
50:48
the
50:48
truth
50:49
that
50:49
you're
50:49
not
50:49
who
50:50
you
50:50
used
50:50
to
50:50
be,
50:50
and
50:51
you're
50:51
still
50:51
grasping
50:52
for
50:52
that,
50:54
that
50:54
moment,
50:55
that
50:55
moment
50:56
of
50:56
glory
50:56
and
50:56
trying
50:57
to
50:57
get
50:57
back
50:58
that
50:58
youth.
50:59
And
50:59
maybe
50:59
another
51:00
side
51:00
is,
51:00
yeah,
51:00
I
51:01
want
51:01
to
51:01
play.
51:01
I
51:01
don't
51:01
care
51:02
if
51:02
I'm
51:02
not
51:02
playing
51:03
that
51:03
well,
51:03
it
51:03
doesn't
51:04
matter
51:04
to
51:04
me.
51:04
Numbers
51:05
don't
51:05
matter.
51:06
I
51:06
don't
51:06
know
51:07
what
51:07
it
51:07
was
51:07
for.
51:08
For
51:08
Chuck
51:08
Klein,
51:09
but
51:09
considering
51:10
all
51:11
the
51:11
forms
51:11
of
51:11
avoidance
51:12
that
51:12
occurred,
51:12
like,
51:13
I
51:13
would
51:13
guess
51:14
that
51:14
there
51:15
was
51:15
an
51:15
avoidance
51:16
of
51:17
really
51:17
facing
51:19
who
51:19
he
51:19
was
51:20
outside
51:20
of
51:20
baseball
51:21
and
51:22
kind
51:23
of
51:23
letting
51:23
go
51:23
of
51:23
that
51:25
so
51:25
that
51:25
he
51:26
could.
51:26
He
51:26
could
51:27
live.
51:27
You
51:28
know,
51:28
they
51:28
say
51:29
ball
51:29
players
51:29
or
51:30
athletes,
51:31
it's.
51:31
It's,
51:33
you
51:34
know,
51:34
it's.
51:34
It's
51:34
the
51:34
first
51:35
death,
51:35
like
51:35
your
51:35
actual
51:36
death,
51:36
but
51:36
then
51:36
your
51:36
first
51:37
death
51:37
when
51:37
you
51:37
leave
51:37
sports.
51:38
And
51:39
it's
51:40
hard
51:40
to
51:40
handle
51:40
even
51:41
if
51:41
you're,
51:42
you
51:42
know,
51:43
mentally
51:43
healthy.
51:45
Well,
51:46
we
51:46
know
51:46
what
51:46
the
51:46
argument
51:47
is
51:47
for
51:48
Chuck
51:48
Klein
51:49
to
51:49
be
51:49
in
51:49
the
51:49
hall
51:49
of
51:49
Fame.
51:50
And
51:50
it's
51:50
those
51:50
first,
51:52
you
51:52
know,
51:52
six
51:52
seasons,
51:53
six
51:53
and
51:53
a
51:53
half
51:54
seasons
51:54
or
51:54
so
51:54
that
51:55
he
51:55
played,
51:56
you
51:56
know,
51:56
with
51:56
the
51:56
Phillies.
51:57
You
51:57
know,
51:57
for
51:57
the
51:57
Phillies.
51:58
He
51:58
had
51:58
just,
51:59
you
51:59
know,
51:59
even
51:59
when
52:00
you
52:00
combine
52:00
the
52:01
final
52:01
years
52:01
of
52:02
his
52:02
career,
52:02
which
52:03
were.
52:03
Were
52:03
not
52:04
all
52:04
that
52:04
great.
52:04
I
52:05
mean,
52:05
you
52:05
know,
52:06
he,
52:07
he
52:07
hit.326
52:09
with
52:09
243
52:10
home
52:11
runs.
52:11
He
52:11
knocked
52:11
in
52:12
983,
52:13
won
52:13
an
52:13
MVP,
52:14
led
52:14
the
52:14
league,
52:15
the
52:15
total
52:15
bases,
52:16
all
52:16
that
52:16
and
52:16
then
52:17
all
52:17
those
52:17
final
52:18
years,
52:19
you
52:19
know.
52:20
Yeah,
52:21
he
52:21
was
52:21
a,
52:22
he
52:22
was
52:22
a
52:22
good
52:22
baseball
52:23
player.
52:23
Not
52:24
a
52:24
great
52:24
baseball
52:25
player
52:25
during
52:25
those
52:26
years.
52:26
I
52:26
mean,
52:28
after
52:28
33,
52:29
when
52:29
he
52:29
left
52:29
the
52:30
Phillies,
52:31
you
52:31
know,
52:31
his
52:31
numbers
52:32
certainly
52:32
did
52:33
decline.
52:33
He
52:33
had
52:33
3012-933062-94309,
52:37
325.
52:40
They're
52:40
not
52:40
horrible
52:41
numbers.
52:42
Right.
52:42
You
52:42
know,
52:43
20,
52:43
21,
52:44
25
52:44
home
52:45
runs
52:45
are
52:45
not
52:45
horrible
52:46
numbers.
52:46
But
52:46
then,
52:47
you
52:47
know,
52:47
those
52:47
last
52:48
five
52:48
or
52:48
six
52:48
years,
52:49
he
52:49
was
52:49
just
52:49
trying
52:50
to
52:50
hang
52:50
on.
52:51
So
52:52
that
52:52
would
52:52
be
52:52
the
52:52
argument
52:53
against,
52:53
you
52:54
know,
52:54
is,
52:55
is,
52:55
yeah,
52:55
he
52:55
had,
52:56
he
52:56
put
52:56
together
52:56
five
52:57
or
52:57
six
52:57
great
52:58
seasons,
52:58
then
52:58
the
52:59
rest
52:59
were
52:59
average
52:59
or
53:00
below
53:00
average
53:00
seasons.
53:01
Yeah,
53:02
so.
53:02
So
53:03
those
53:03
would
53:03
be
53:03
the
53:04
arguments
53:04
for
53:05
and
53:05
against.
53:07
His
53:07
last
53:07
season
53:08
was
53:08
1944.
53:11
And
53:11
I
53:11
think
53:11
he
53:11
was
53:11
also
53:11
a
53:12
part
53:12
time
53:12
coach
53:12
at
53:13
this
53:13
point
53:13
with
53:14
the
53:14
Phillies
53:14
as
53:15
well.
53:18
And
53:19
he
53:19
was
53:19
not
53:19
getting
53:20
any
53:20
traction,
53:21
as
53:21
we
53:21
discussed,
53:22
for
53:22
induction
53:23
into
53:23
the
53:24
hall
53:24
of
53:24
Fame.
53:26
And
53:26
he
53:26
wasn't
53:27
inducted
53:28
into
53:29
the
53:29
hall
53:29
of
53:29
fame
53:30
until
53:31
1980,
53:32
I
53:32
think.
53:33
You
53:33
know,
53:33
36
53:34
years
53:35
after,
53:36
after
53:36
he
53:36
had
53:37
left
53:37
the
53:37
game.
53:42
What
53:43
was.
53:43
And
53:43
he
53:44
was
53:44
elected
53:44
by
53:44
the
53:45
veterans
53:45
committee.
53:46
What
53:47
was
53:47
the
53:48
turning
53:48
point
53:48
when
53:49
historians
53:50
and
53:51
baseball
53:51
researchers
53:53
began
53:54
to
53:54
reevaluate
53:55
his
53:55
career
53:56
and
53:56
take
53:56
a
53:56
look
53:56
back
53:57
and
53:57
go,
53:57
holy
53:57
cow,
53:58
how
53:58
did
53:58
we
53:59
not
54:00
induct
54:01
this
54:01
guy?
54:01
How
54:01
was
54:02
he
54:02
overlooked?
54:03
Talk
54:03
about
54:03
that.
54:03
What,
54:04
What?
54:04
Because
54:05
there's
54:05
an
54:05
interesting
54:06
character
54:07
who
54:07
comes
54:07
into
54:08
play
54:08
here,
54:08
I
54:09
think,
54:09
to
54:09
help
54:10
his
54:11
notoriety
54:13
and,
54:14
and
54:14
revitalize
54:15
the
54:15
career
54:16
that
54:16
he
54:16
did
54:16
have.
54:17
Yeah,
54:17
well,
54:18
well,
54:18
when,
54:19
when
54:19
he
54:19
was
54:19
recuperating
54:20
from
54:20
his
54:21
stroke,
54:21
he
54:21
spent
54:22
a
54:22
lot
54:22
of
54:22
time
54:22
with
54:22
his
54:22
nephew
54:23
Bob.
54:24
And
54:24
so
54:24
they
54:25
would
54:25
go
54:25
to
54:25
games
54:25
together,
54:26
they
54:26
would
54:26
spend
54:26
time
54:27
together,
54:27
and
54:27
they
54:27
became
54:28
really
54:28
close.
54:30
And
54:30
it
54:30
was
54:30
years.
54:31
Was
54:32
it
54:32
14
54:33
years
54:33
after
54:33
he
54:33
died?
54:34
Because
54:34
he
54:34
died
54:34
at
54:34
the
54:34
age
54:34
of,
54:35
I
54:35
think,
54:35
52
54:35
or
54:36
53.
54:36
Yeah,
54:37
he
54:37
died.
54:37
He
54:37
died
54:38
at
54:38
the
54:38
age
54:39
of
54:39
53.
54:40
So
54:40
that
54:40
would
54:41
be
54:41
what,
54:41
1957.
54:45
So
54:46
it
54:46
was.
54:47
Yeah,
54:47
yeah,
54:47
57.
54:48
So
54:48
I
54:49
think
54:49
it
54:49
was
54:49
1971
54:52
when
54:52
Bob
54:53
Klein
54:53
received
54:54
this
54:54
letter
54:55
from
54:55
the
54:56
White
54:56
House.
54:57
And
54:58
like,
54:59
I
54:59
love
54:59
just
54:59
trying
55:00
to
55:00
imagine,
55:00
like
55:00
you
55:01
pause
55:01
for
55:01
a
55:01
moment,
55:01
you
55:01
try
55:02
to
55:02
imagine
55:02
what
55:02
it
55:03
would
55:03
have
55:03
been
55:03
like
55:04
with
55:04
this
55:04
guy,
55:05
like
55:05
living,
55:06
you
55:06
know,
55:06
quote,
55:06
unquote,
55:07
normal
55:07
life.
55:07
And
55:08
he
55:08
gets
55:08
this
55:08
letter
55:09
from
55:09
the
55:09
White
55:10
House,
55:10
like,
55:11
okay,
55:12
what's
55:12
going
55:13
on?
55:13
And
55:13
then
55:14
he
55:14
opens
55:14
the
55:14
letter
55:15
and
55:15
It's
55:15
a,
55:16
it's
55:16
a,
55:17
it's
55:17
a
55:17
letter.
55:17
He
55:18
opens
55:18
envelope.
55:19
It's
55:19
a
55:19
letter
55:19
from
55:19
Richard
55:20
Nixon,
55:20
who
55:20
is
55:21
president
55:21
at
55:21
the
55:22
time.
55:22
So
55:22
he
55:22
gets
55:23
a
55:23
letter
55:24
from
55:24
the
55:24
President
55:25
and
55:26
Richard
55:26
Nixon
55:27
says
55:27
to
55:27
him
55:28
in
55:28
the
55:28
letter,
55:28
hey,
55:29
Bob,
55:31
you
55:31
know,
55:31
a
55:31
journalist
55:32
asked
55:32
me
55:34
who
55:34
I
55:35
would
55:35
put
55:35
on
55:35
my
55:35
all
55:36
time,
55:36
all
55:37
time
55:37
team.
55:38
And
55:39
I
55:40
chose
55:40
your
55:40
uncle
55:41
Chuck
55:42
Klein,
55:42
like
55:42
for
55:43
the
55:43
all
55:43
time
55:43
baseball
55:44
team.
55:46
I
55:46
consider
55:46
him
55:47
one
55:47
of
55:47
the
55:47
greatest.
55:48
And
55:48
I
55:49
wanted
55:49
you
55:49
to
55:49
know
55:49
that.
55:50
And
55:51
so
55:53
this
55:54
in
55:54
itself
55:54
is
55:55
amazing,
55:55
like
55:56
for
55:56
a
55:57
President
55:57
to
55:57
do
55:58
this
55:58
and
55:59
to
55:59
single
55:59
somebody
56:00
out
56:00
and
56:00
take
56:00
the
56:00
time
56:01
to
56:01
let
56:02
them
56:02
know,
56:02
like,
56:02
hey,
56:03
I
56:03
remember
56:03
your,
56:04
your,
56:04
your
56:05
uncle
56:05
wasn't
56:05
forgotten
56:06
by
56:07
me,
56:07
the
56:08
President
56:08
of
56:08
the
56:08
United
56:09
States,
56:09
even
56:09
though
56:09
he
56:10
was
56:10
forgotten
56:10
by
56:11
so
56:11
many
56:11
people.
56:12
And
56:14
I
56:15
think
56:15
that,
56:16
you
56:16
know,
56:16
stirred
56:17
up
56:17
the
56:17
conversation
56:18
again
56:19
because
56:19
the
56:19
President
56:20
is
56:20
saying
56:20
this,
56:20
you
56:21
know,
56:21
he's,
56:21
he's
56:22
bringing
56:22
life
56:23
back
56:23
to
56:23
this
56:24
player
56:24
who
56:24
has
56:24
been
56:25
forgotten.
56:25
And
56:26
there,
56:26
there
56:27
were
56:27
committees
56:27
at
56:28
the
56:28
time,
56:28
there
56:28
were
56:28
people
56:30
then
56:31
really
56:31
stirring
56:32
up
56:32
like
56:32
Chuck
56:33
Klein.
56:33
Look
56:33
what
56:33
he
56:33
did.
56:34
And
56:34
little
56:35
by
56:35
little,
56:35
you
56:36
know,
56:36
he
56:36
starts
56:36
to
56:36
gain
56:37
traction.
56:37
And
56:37
then
56:38
he's
56:38
finally
56:38
elected
56:39
into
56:39
the
56:39
hall
56:40
of
56:40
Fame
56:40
by
56:40
the
56:41
Old
56:41
Timers
56:41
Committee.
56:42
Right.
56:42
By
56:42
the
56:43
Veterans
56:43
Committee.
56:44
Right.
56:44
Who
56:45
pull
56:45
people
56:45
out
56:46
who
56:47
have
56:47
been
56:48
ineligible.
56:50
And
56:51
so
56:52
what
56:52
a,
56:52
what
56:52
a
56:53
great
56:53
story.
56:53
And
56:54
you
56:54
know,
56:54
as
56:54
an
56:55
aside,
56:56
Richard
56:56
Nixon
56:57
said
56:57
if
56:58
he
56:58
could
56:58
do
56:58
it
56:58
all
56:58
over
56:58
again,
56:59
he
56:59
would,
56:59
he
56:59
would
57:00
have
57:00
been
57:00
a
57:00
sports
57:00
writer.
57:01
And
57:01
he
57:01
was
57:02
serious.
57:02
Right.
57:02
He
57:02
loved
57:03
sports.
57:03
He
57:03
loved
57:04
baseball.
57:04
And
57:05
I
57:05
think
57:06
that's
57:06
really
57:06
interesting
57:07
too.
57:10
How
57:10
emotional
57:11
was
57:11
it
57:11
for
57:11
the
57:12
family
57:13
long
57:13
after
57:14
Chuck
57:14
had
57:14
passed
57:15
away,
57:18
that
57:19
the
57:19
family
57:19
of
57:19
Chuck
57:20
Klein
57:23
finally
57:24
saw
57:25
Chuck
57:26
get
57:26
the
57:26
recognition
57:27
he
57:27
deserved
57:29
and
57:29
be
57:29
elected
57:30
into
57:30
the
57:30
hall
57:30
of
57:30
Fame.
57:31
And
57:31
I
57:32
mean,
57:32
it
57:32
would
57:32
have
57:32
been
57:32
very
57:33
emotional.
57:33
And
57:33
Bob
57:34
was
57:34
there
57:34
to
57:34
accept
57:35
the
57:35
award,
57:36
so
57:37
he,
57:37
he
57:38
accepted
57:38
the
57:39
hall
57:39
of
57:39
Fame
57:39
plaque.
57:40
And
57:40
so,
57:41
I
57:41
mean,
57:42
it
57:42
would
57:42
have
57:42
been
57:42
enormous
57:44
and
57:46
hugely
57:47
emotional
57:47
considering
57:48
his
57:48
relationship
57:49
with
57:49
Chuck,
57:49
with
57:50
his
57:50
uncle.
57:53
Ultimately,
57:53
Chuck
57:54
Klein
57:54
is
57:54
one
57:54
of
57:55
the
57:55
most
57:56
underrated
57:57
hall
57:57
of
57:57
Famers
57:58
in
57:58
baseball
57:59
history.
57:59
You
57:59
would
58:00
have
58:00
to
58:00
think
58:00
so
58:01
when
58:01
you
58:01
would
58:02
go
58:02
back
58:03
and
58:03
look
58:03
at
58:03
the
58:03
numbers
58:04
and
58:07
that
58:08
he
58:08
had
58:08
to
58:09
endure
58:10
to
58:10
get
58:11
his
58:12
plaque
58:13
in
58:13
Cooperstown.
58:15
What's
58:15
the
58:15
one
58:16
thing
58:17
listeners
58:18
to
58:18
sports,
58:18
forgotten
58:19
heroes
58:19
or
58:20
the
58:20
midnight
58:20
library
58:21
of
58:21
baseball,
58:22
what's
58:23
the
58:23
one
58:23
thing
58:24
they
58:24
should
58:25
understand
58:25
about
58:26
Chuck
58:26
Klein
58:27
that
58:28
they
58:28
didn't
58:28
know
58:29
before?
58:31
Well,
58:32
from
58:32
my
58:32
perspective,
58:36
it's,
58:38
I
58:38
think
58:38
it's,
58:38
it's
58:39
understanding
58:39
these
58:39
layers,
58:40
and
58:40
you
58:40
really
58:40
helped
58:41
bring
58:42
this
58:42
out
58:42
today.
58:43
It's
58:43
like
58:43
the
58:44
undercurrents,
58:46
the
58:46
layers
58:46
that
58:46
are
58:47
affecting
58:47
him
58:48
as
58:48
he's
58:49
playing
58:49
and
58:49
it's
58:49
hard
58:50
to
58:50
see.
58:50
And
58:50
it's,
58:51
it's
58:51
like
58:52
these,
58:52
it's,
58:52
it's
58:53
not
58:53
tangible.
58:54
It's
58:54
like
58:54
these
58:55
emotional,
58:56
mental,
58:57
psychological
58:58
issues
58:59
that
59:00
are
59:00
affecting
59:01
him.
59:01
And
59:03
it's,
59:03
it's
59:03
the
59:03
what
59:03
if
59:04
question,
59:04
you
59:05
know,
59:05
if,
59:06
if
59:07
he's
59:08
really
59:08
appreciated,
59:10
if
59:10
he's
59:11
nurtured
59:12
and
59:12
supported,
59:13
you
59:13
know,
59:15
not
59:16
only,
59:16
you
59:16
know,
59:17
I'm
59:17
talking
59:17
emotionally
59:18
and,
59:18
and
59:19
psychologically
59:19
and
59:19
mentally,
59:20
but,
59:20
you
59:21
know,
59:21
if
59:21
he's
59:21
supported
59:22
by
59:22
his
59:22
teammates
59:22
too.
59:23
You
59:23
know,
59:24
like,
59:24
if
59:24
he's
59:24
on
59:25
winning
59:25
teams
59:25
and
59:25
is
59:26
part
59:26
of
59:26
that
59:26
environment,
59:27
what
59:27
would
59:27
have
59:27
been
59:28
different?
59:28
Because,
59:29
you
59:29
know,
59:29
he
59:29
did
59:29
all
59:30
of
59:30
this
59:30
himself
59:31
and
59:31
his
59:32
teams
59:32
were
59:33
typically
59:33
bad
59:34
and
59:35
like,
59:35
he
59:36
had
59:36
to
59:36
struggle
59:36
through
59:36
that.
59:37
And
59:37
for
59:37
an
59:37
athlete,
59:38
for
59:38
a
59:38
baseball
59:38
player,
59:39
that
59:39
is
59:39
a
59:40
big
59:40
part
59:40
of
59:40
the
59:41
game.
59:41
You
59:41
want
59:41
to
59:42
win.
59:42
It's
59:43
part
59:43
of
59:43
your
59:43
training
59:44
to
59:44
succeed,
59:45
to
59:45
win.
59:45
And
59:45
you
59:45
can
59:45
do
59:45
that
59:46
on
59:46
an
59:46
individual
59:46
level.
59:47
But
59:47
day
59:47
after
59:47
day,
59:48
if
59:49
you're
59:49
part
59:49
of
59:49
a
59:49
team
59:49
that's
59:50
not
59:50
winning,
59:50
it's
59:50
going
59:50
to
59:51
affect
59:51
you.
59:52
And
59:52
so
59:52
all
59:52
of
59:53
these
59:53
other
59:53
issues,
59:53
when
59:54
you
59:54
start
59:54
to
59:54
dig
59:54
down,
59:55
they
59:55
are
59:56
shaping
59:56
the
59:56
man,
59:57
they
59:57
are
59:57
shaping
59:57
the
59:58
player.
59:59
And
1:00:00
if
1:00:00
we
1:00:00
understand
1:00:01
these
1:00:01
things
1:00:01
more,
1:00:02
we
1:00:03
can
1:00:03
affect
1:00:04
what's
1:00:04
happening
1:00:05
today
1:00:05
and
1:00:06
really
1:00:07
look
1:00:07
more
1:00:08
deeply
1:00:08
at
1:00:08
the
1:00:09
whole
1:00:09
package
1:00:09
of
1:00:10
what
1:00:10
creates
1:00:10
a
1:00:11
successful
1:00:11
player
1:00:11
or
1:00:12
a
1:00:12
successful
1:00:12
team.
1:00:14
Isn't
1:00:14
it
1:00:14
amazing
1:00:15
how
1:00:17
I
1:00:17
just
1:00:18
trying
1:00:18
to
1:00:18
think
1:00:18
here
1:00:19
of
1:00:19
some
1:00:19
of
1:00:19
the
1:00:20
other
1:00:20
great
1:00:21
baseball
1:00:21
players
1:00:22
whom
1:00:22
time
1:00:22
has
1:00:23
forgotten
1:00:26
that
1:00:26
are
1:00:26
in
1:00:26
the
1:00:26
hall
1:00:27
of
1:00:27
Fame
1:00:27
or
1:00:27
not
1:00:28
in
1:00:28
the
1:00:28
hall
1:00:28
of
1:00:28
Fame.
1:00:30
And
1:00:31
we
1:00:31
just
1:00:31
don't
1:00:32
remember
1:00:33
who
1:00:33
any
1:00:34
of
1:00:34
these
1:00:34
guys
1:00:35
were.
1:00:36
And
1:00:37
it's
1:00:37
because
1:00:38
they
1:00:38
played
1:00:39
on
1:00:39
teams
1:00:40
that
1:00:41
just.
1:00:43
They
1:00:44
were
1:00:44
not
1:00:45
winning
1:00:46
teams.
1:00:47
And
1:00:47
because
1:00:48
they
1:00:48
were
1:00:48
not
1:00:49
winning
1:00:50
teams,
1:00:52
they
1:00:52
did
1:00:52
not
1:00:53
get.
1:00:55
Or
1:00:55
they
1:00:55
don't
1:00:55
have
1:00:56
the
1:00:57
reputation
1:00:59
that
1:01:02
Babe
1:01:03
Ruth
1:01:03
or
1:01:03
Lou
1:01:03
Gehrig
1:01:04
or
1:01:04
Ted
1:01:05
Williams
1:01:05
or
1:01:06
Mickey
1:01:06
Mantle
1:01:07
or
1:01:07
Stan
1:01:07
Usual.
1:01:08
Right.
1:01:08
They
1:01:09
don't
1:01:09
have
1:01:10
that
1:01:10
kind
1:01:10
of
1:01:11
reputation.
1:01:13
And
1:01:14
it's
1:01:14
not
1:01:14
because
1:01:15
they
1:01:15
didn't
1:01:15
play
1:01:15
well.
1:01:16
It's
1:01:16
because
1:01:17
the
1:01:17
teams
1:01:17
they
1:01:17
played
1:01:18
on
1:01:19
weren't
1:01:20
all
1:01:20
that
1:01:20
good.
1:01:20
I
1:01:21
mean,
1:01:21
and
1:01:21
even
1:01:21
Chuck,
1:01:22
he
1:01:22
played
1:01:23
in
1:01:23
one
1:01:23
World
1:01:24
Series
1:01:24
in
1:01:25
1935
1:01:26
with
1:01:26
the
1:01:27
Cubs
1:01:27
and
1:01:27
he
1:01:28
had
1:01:28
a
1:01:28
couple
1:01:28
of
1:01:28
pinch
1:01:28
hitting
1:01:29
appearances.
1:01:30
They
1:01:30
didn't
1:01:30
go
1:01:31
well.
1:01:31
But
1:01:31
he
1:01:31
also,
1:01:33
you
1:01:33
know,
1:01:34
he
1:01:34
also
1:01:34
had
1:01:34
a
1:01:35
couple
1:01:35
of
1:01:35
appearances
1:01:36
in
1:01:36
the
1:01:36
series
1:01:36
where,
1:01:37
where
1:01:37
he
1:01:38
did.
1:01:38
I
1:01:38
mean,
1:01:39
you
1:01:39
know,
1:01:39
I'm
1:01:39
just
1:01:39
looking
1:01:40
at
1:01:40
the
1:01:40
numbers
1:01:40
right
1:01:40
here.
1:01:41
Playing
1:01:41
five
1:01:41
games
1:01:42
in
1:01:42
the
1:01:42
World
1:01:42
Series
1:01:43
against
1:01:43
the
1:01:43
Tigers,
1:01:44
of
1:01:44
course,
1:01:44
the
1:01:44
Cubs
1:01:45
lost
1:01:45
in
1:01:45
five
1:01:45
games.
1:01:46
He
1:01:46
was
1:01:46
up
1:01:47
12
1:01:47
times,
1:01:48
had
1:01:48
a
1:01:48
home
1:01:48
run,
1:01:49
two
1:01:49
ribies,333
1:01:51
was
1:01:52
his
1:01:52
batting
1:01:52
average
1:01:53
for
1:01:53
that
1:01:53
that's
1:01:54
pretty
1:01:54
good.
1:01:55
Seven
1:01:55
total
1:01:55
bases.
1:01:56
The
1:01:57
guy
1:01:57
was
1:01:57
a
1:01:58
great
1:01:59
baseball
1:01:59
player,
1:02:00
deservedly
1:02:01
in
1:02:02
the
1:02:02
hall
1:02:02
of
1:02:02
Fame.
1:02:03
And
1:02:03
Ben,
1:02:04
I
1:02:04
want
1:02:04
to
1:02:04
thank
1:02:05
you
1:02:05
so
1:02:05
much
1:02:05
for
1:02:06
joining
1:02:06
me
1:02:06
on
1:02:07
Sports
1:02:07
Forgotten
1:02:08
Heroes
1:02:08
to
1:02:08
talk
1:02:08
about
1:02:10
a
1:02:10
true
1:02:10
forgotten
1:02:11
hero
1:02:11
of
1:02:11
the
1:02:11
game,
1:02:11
Chuck
1:02:12
Bond.
1:02:12
Thanks,
1:02:13
Warren.
1:02:13
This
1:02:13
was
1:02:13
really
1:02:13
fun.
1:02:14
We
1:02:14
had
1:02:14
a
1:02:14
good
1:02:14
time
1:02:14
talking
1:02:15
with
1:02:15
you.
1:02:16
Awesome.
1:02:16
I
1:02:16
hope
1:02:16
we
1:02:17
can
1:02:17
do
1:02:17
it
1:02:17
again.
1:02:18
Chuck's
1:02:19
numbers
1:02:19
are
1:02:19
crazy.
1:02:20
Four
1:02:21
straight
1:02:21
years
1:02:21
he
1:02:22
led
1:02:22
the
1:02:22
National
1:02:22
League
1:02:23
in
1:02:23
total
1:02:23
bases.
1:02:24
He
1:02:24
is
1:02:25
one
1:02:25
of
1:02:25
two
1:02:25
players
1:02:26
to
1:02:26
be
1:02:26
in
1:02:26
the
1:02:26
top
1:02:26
10
1:02:27
on
1:02:27
the
1:02:27
list
1:02:27
of
1:02:27
most
1:02:28
total
1:02:28
bases
1:02:28
in
1:02:29
a
1:02:29
season.
1:02:29
He
1:02:30
won
1:02:30
a
1:02:30
Triple
1:02:30
Crown.
1:02:31
He
1:02:31
won
1:02:31
the
1:02:32
mvp.
1:02:32
He
1:02:33
once
1:02:33
hit
1:02:33
four
1:02:34
home
1:02:34
runs
1:02:34
in
1:02:35
one
1:02:35
one
1:02:35
game.
1:02:36
And
1:02:36
yet
1:02:36
he
1:02:37
is
1:02:37
terribly
1:02:38
overlooked.
1:02:40
Chuck
1:02:40
Klein
1:02:41
was
1:02:41
certainly
1:02:42
one
1:02:42
of
1:02:42
the
1:02:42
great
1:02:43
ones.
1:02:44
Thanks
1:02:44
again
1:02:44
to
1:02:44
my
1:02:45
guest
1:02:45
today,
1:02:45
Ben
1:02:45
Orlando,
1:02:46
host
1:02:46
of
1:02:47
the
1:02:47
podcast
1:02:47
Midnight
1:02:48
Library
1:02:49
of
1:02:49
Baseball.
1:02:50
And
1:02:50
thanks
1:02:50
to
1:02:50
all
1:02:51
of
1:02:51
you
1:02:51
for
1:02:51
tuning
1:02:51
in.
1:02:52
And
1:02:52
I'll
1:02:52
see
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you
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next
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time
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on
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Sports
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Forgotten
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Heroes.