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#283 - Identiverse 2024 Pre-Conference Tailgate · Identity at the Center

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But you'll have those same organizations that have that
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doing draconian password reset rules, like change your password
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every. 90. Days and it's got to be 16
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characters long, It's got to have upper and lower.
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It's got to, you know, it can't have been reused in the last 20
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passwords. And it's like, man, you're not
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following like the NIST recommendations.
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And if you think you can do it better than NIST, yeah, yeah,
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so. You know what drives me crazy is
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you've got, you know, a modern, very good authentication
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platform like an Azure or even an Octa, and you've got all the
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bells and whistles and you don't enforce MFA everywhere, right?
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You've got some other system that's like, ah, we don't have
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MFA on that one, but hey, we've got it on these other, you know,
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80 systems. Guess where?
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Guess where the targeted attacks are gonna go?
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This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with
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IAM, this is the go to podcast now your hosts Jim McDonald and
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Jeff Stedman. Welcome to the Identity at the
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Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim.
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Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you?
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Oh, not so bad yourself. Well, it's been a comedy of
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errors, technically, to get this episode started.
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So given all that, I'm, I'm good, I'm in a good mood.
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You know, next week we're going to be out in Las Vegas.
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I guess by the time this episode drops, it'll be this week in Las
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Vegas for Advent reverse. It's feels like we've been
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talking about it for the last six months, right?
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I think we have been talking about it for the last six
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months, but yeah, it is finally here.
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I think let's see, it'll be Monday when people listen to
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this and we'll probably be running around somewhere getting
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set up and prepped and ready to do stuff.
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But I think the the conference itself doesn't start till
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Tuesday. So yeah, we'll get forward to.
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It, yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to pat
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ourselves on the back or like congratulate ourselves.
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But you know, putting out a podcast requires a lot more work
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than the hour and 15 minutes that the podcast recording is.
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The output is right and the conference is especially like we
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have to get there a little bit early, kind of map out where
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we're going to be, make sure we have power and all the things
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that we never had to worry about before.
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It's a different set of, it's a different set of problems.
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Like, you know, at home it's Internet, certainly power and
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just the weirdness that AV can have a different OSS and
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browsers and stuff like that. But yeah, it gets you a
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conference. And the thing that I care about
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is that is there a power outlet within reach, right of where
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we're going to be recording so that we can do that.
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But yeah, it's it's going to be fun.
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I think we look forward to seeing a lot of, you know,
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friendly faces, new faces, meeting a lot of folks that had
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a lot of requests to, you know stop by different vendor booths
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and things like that. So I will try to get to as many
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as I can, but apologies in advance if I'm not able to hit
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everybody, it'll be pretty busy for both of us.
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Did you get the request for Ron to come over to his booth and
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check out the Belden chocolates? No, I didn't see that one.
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OK, well, I'll share that one with you because anybody that's
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gonna have chocolates at their booth, I'm suffering by.
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Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I've had a lot of requests to
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meet for coffee, and I think if I met all the people for coffee
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that have asked, I drink a lot of more coffee than I was
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planning on drinking. What happens if you don't drink
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coffee like me? Drink a a soda or something like
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that. Yeah.
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Can we normalize like let's meet for a beverage rather than, you
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know, don't push her coffee agenda on me.
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Yeah, you're not a coffee guy or a.
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Tea guy. No caffeine.
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Soda. One or the other.
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Yeah, no, not of the above. So, So what should people do if
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they want to, you know, reach out and kind of like either set
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up time or at least let us know that they'd like to meet.
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Because anybody who wants to meet me, I want to meet them.
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I mean, LinkedIn probably is the best way get messages that way.
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I mean, just walk up and say hello.
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Or even if it looks like we're busy, just at least walk up, say
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hello. We'll try to make as much time
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as we can come stop by what's at Copper Leaf 7, where we're going
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to be recording and, you know, watch an episode and try to
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catch us. Maybe, you know, before or after
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an episode begins or ends, like, that's probably the best, the
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best spot. But seriously, you know, for
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anybody who wants to say hello or get a official fist bump of
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gratitude for listening, just literally just, you know, grab
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my arm or say hey Jeff or whatever, I'm happy to to stop
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and chat. Absolutely, yeah.
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Someone, someone messaged me and you know the real listener when
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they bring up something you said on one of the episodes, and it
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was, I was in the Atlanta airport the other day and I it
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didn't smell like a bathroom to me.
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It didn't for me either. I gotta tell you, I had a
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terrible flight home from Chicago that lasted from Sunday
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into Monday because of weather in the actual area.
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And I had to exit the airport and I didn't smell anything.
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So you know, if you listen to that episode, hope it sounds to
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me or it smelled to me like Atlanta had their their act
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together well. You know, I mean, you're like a
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pro traveler at this point. And I remember when I first
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started traveling, those kind of episodes would drive me badly.
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Like, you know you're supposed to be leaving at 4:00 and get
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there at 6:00 and then just just delayed, delayed.
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They cancel the flight at 1:00 in the morning.
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You go take a hotel, sleep for an hour, then come back for a
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6:00 AM flight. It gets push, push, push.
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You finally wind up getting home at like two or three in the
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after. You're just like I probably
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could have walked home faster. I definitely could have I I
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could have driven home from Chicago faster than it took for
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me to get just from Atlanta to Asheville.
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I got to Atlanta, no problem from Chicago.
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It was just, you know, there's weather and I get it, clouds and
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stuff like that. You know first what problems.
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You know my magical chair in the sky couldn't get me to where I
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needed to go in in the time frame that I expected.
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Oh well, what are you going to? Do Yeah.
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So you know, as far as the podcasting schedule, we've got
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two podcasts lined up on Tuesday morning.
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I know a lot of folks are flying in Tuesday morning.
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If you're flying in, it's probably, you're probably not
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going to get there in time to see us Podcast live Wednesday.
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At this point, it's looking like we're not going to be podcasting
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on Wednesday. It's like a.
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Free day. Like we may pull random stuff to
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happen that day. We could, yeah.
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But we don't want to make any promises yet because they're not
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scheduled, right. But Thursday we should do three
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episodes, So mid morning through mid afternoon.
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Like you said, Copper Leaf 7 is the room where we'll be.
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Hopefully we have like one of these style of, you know,
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placards in front of the room, but even if not, you know,
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Copper Leaf 7 is where we'll be and we would love to have you
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just drop in and listen. Yeah, come see the session.
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Also that I'm moderating around Cape, Continuous Access
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Evaluation profile, shared signals framework.
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That'll be fun and interesting. I had a prep session earlier
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today with the with the group to talk about what we're going to
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talk about. I don't want to spoil the
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surprise, but there will be things for audience members to
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obtain. I don't want Sean to get mad at
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me, so I don't know and I'm not. I don't know if that's a secret
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or not, but I would just say if you attend there is the
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opportunity to receive something related to Cape and SSF and
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things like that. Hopefully that's cryptic enough
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to drive people in and I balance the line where Sean doesn't get
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out of me. Well, Sean is from Disney.
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So when you said it was. I can tell you it's not anything
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Disney related. I was disappointed when you said
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it was related to Cape and not to Disney.
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It is, yeah. It's yeah, it's not the Iron Man
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outfit or anything like that. I would love to have like that.
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But no, it is. It is not that.
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But you know kind of a neat little thing to be to may be
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received. Definitely a limited edition,
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Let's put it that. Way.
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Yeah. The other thing I'll mention is
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like if you if you're getting there and you haven't kind of
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like solidified your after hour schedule Tuesday night we are Co
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hosting an event, Identity the Center Podcast, RSM and Taos
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Group were having a happy hour at the Lift bar, which is in the
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Aria in my opinion is like the best bar in the area.
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I've only been there and Jim would know 'cause one time, but
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you know, and I've already formulated opinion on the best,
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but I'll say that, you know, we'd love to have folks there.
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I'm not really sure where we are in terms of the list.
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I'm not managing it this year, but we might already be getting
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close to full. But either way, best way to to
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reach out is LinkedIn Direct Messages, and we'll keep an eye
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on that during the week. Yeah, there's a guest list and a
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registration link. So I'm limited spots, so I know
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I've sent out a couple already. But if you're interested in
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attending, hit us up on LinkedIn.
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We can provide the link. And like you said, Jim, we're
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not in charge of the list, but you know, hopefully we can, you
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know, maybe influencer, we can get some listeners in as well.
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Yeah, you and I will probably be hanging out when we do have free
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time. We're not podcasting or you're
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not facilitating. We'll be at the Taos Group
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booth, what they've allowed us to kind of like park ourselves
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there. So that's going to be a good way
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to to find us as well. Yeah, probably bounce around
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between sessions and stuff like that too.
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So yeah, you know, actually attending the conference and
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hopefully hearing from people and learning stuff.
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That's a foreign concept to me, man.
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It's like we've gone to the conferences so many times and
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like barely been able to go to sessions.
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But every year I go determined that this this year is going to
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be different. I'm going to hit more sessions.
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And you know, this year, especially with Wednesday being
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kind of an open day for me, you have the the session, I'll be
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there for your session. But before and after that, I'm
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planning to hit as many sessions as possible.
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And always, as always, the keynotes are, you know, I'm
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always there for the cue notes, yeah.
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You know, it's is it sad that one of the things I'm looking
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forward to is getting a new headshot done.
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So you know, pro, pro tip, if you don't have a headshot, go
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get one. Like conferences are a great
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time to do that. You stand in line for a couple
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minutes, you get a few, you know, high quality pictures
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taken, and boom, you've got a new headshot.
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Absolutely. So during the day when you
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decide to wear your business casual clothes.
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Right. Or at least not your Metallica
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T-shirt crop, right? Or hey, if you want to wear
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Metallica sheet AT shirt, that's fine.
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I mean, that just more personality, right?
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Yeah, who knows, Maybe you know, Metallica's hiring and they want
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to look for an identity person to gatekeep.
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You know all their their secret recordings.
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Probably not, but yeah. Hey man, I can dream.
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Yeah. What?
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You know, I feel like this is our last chance to do a promo.
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Also, for it, should we mention our discount code?
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Even though, like, at this point, man, you should, we
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really should have registered for you to show up at
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identivers, yeah? Yeah, if you're counting the
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discount code now, that will be a record.
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I don't think anybody's ever used it on the day before the
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conference, but right. Why don't you go ahead and give
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it one more time? Yeah, and it'll be in our show
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notes too, but IDV 2, four dash, IDAC 25, if you like, just
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decide on a whim to hop on a plane or you're in the Vegas
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here and you're like, oh, I'm going to stop by identiverse and
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just casually do that. You know, that gets you 25% off
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and hopefully it works on the same day.
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Actually, I don't even know. Hopefully it works.
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But yeah, if if that's something that you that you forget to
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register, that has happened before.
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I won't name names, but somebody did show up and it wasn't me.
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Showed up and realized that they did not register and had to pay
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same day rates to get in the conference.
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It's definitely not me this year.
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Usually I registered and then I checked with one of our folks on
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the inside at the conference to make sure that my registration,
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even though I had all the confirmation emails, it's just I
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didn't want to be that guy. Yeah, so I know we planned on
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making this episode a little bit shorter, but we should probably
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talk about something identity related.
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There was a report, The 2024 State of Passwordless Identity
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Assurance that just came out produced by Hyper.
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Do you want to talk a little about that?
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Kind of just set the table for you.
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Yeah, Yeah. I mean you know the the basis of
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the report is about organizations were surveyed in
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terms of you know what kind of identity related breaches
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they've experienced, what percentage of those
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organizations have experienced those breaches.
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I think my biggest takeaways, I mean I I went through the
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document really quickly and just released yesterday, the take
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away was like what a high percentage of organizations are
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running into these breaches like something like 75% and of those
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like over 90% was either the credentials were fumble or the
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authentication was weak. So those are two things that
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really jumped out at me. Yeah, I what What jumped out at
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you from that report? Well, I had three numbers that I
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had picked out and you picked one of them which was 91% of
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breached organizations basically said that authentication
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weaknesses were a leading cause of why they had an issue.
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So that's a lot to attribute to it.
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You mentioned this, it was 78% experience, some sort of
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identity based attack. I got two other numbers for you.
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Let's let's see if you can guess.
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The average cost of authentication related breaches
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in the last 12 months was X million dollars.
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Solve for X. Oh, it's at least one million,
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though. You're giving me that hint.
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I am. All right.
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I was going to say 2 million. Nope. $5.48 million five and a
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half basically to solve for to fix you know authentication
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related breaches. So you know it's probably a
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decent qualification there. They're talking about not all
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breaches breaches that were based on authentication.
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That's a lot of money you know. Hopefully that gives folks out
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there some some ammunition to basically say hey we probably
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should have MFA in place and conditional rules, adaptive
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rules, maybe go pass worthless or you know the alternative is
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this is something you might be looking at paying out in the
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future if you have fall prey to this attack.
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Yeah, 544 million dollars is going to show up on your annual
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report, you know and that's to me kind of one of the litmus as
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of you know, how bad was it. It's not something you just kind
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of keep within your department and again we'll let that happen.
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Again, that's a potentially a career limiting type of event to
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take place, so. But I think.
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You know who's really surprised by that?
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When you talk about like a breach taking place and data
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being exfiltrated from your organization or ransomware being
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planted on your systems, what What choice do you have really,
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but to pay the ransom or at least deal with the consequences
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of that? Or if your data is exfiltrated,
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providing services like identity protection services to the
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individuals affected. Plus your PR groups out there,
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like, you know, trying to make it sound like it's not as it
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really probably was. Yeah.
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So this cost is trying to mount and mount and mount.
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Yeah. And if I had, if I had to add up
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all the credit monitoring stuff that I have for free because of
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breaches, I think I'm good for the next couple decades.
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It seems like the de facto thing.
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But let's see, there was another number. 89% of organizations
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believe passwordless authentication provides the
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highest level of security. Now obviously you know this was
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hyper and they are a vendor that plays in this space, but that's
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a pretty decent number. I wonder what the other 11%
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think when it comes to why they don't consider passwordless the
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highest level of authentication. I wonder if it's maybe I can I
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have any insurance levels or they're thinking maybe you know
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some super Uber cryptography and you know or maybe it's the
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other. Way around maybe they think MFA
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plus password is good enough. Could be.
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I mean, you know, it's I'm not going to pick on any
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organization specifically, but you see it happen so often where
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it's like they have a high end MFA tool like the Azure
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Authenticator where it'll throw a number on the screen.
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And it used to be like OK pick one of these three hacker, fig
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just get lucky. So but now it's like oh you see
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the number on the screen if entered in.
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So like, I think that MFA tool is really strong, but you'll
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have those same organizations that have that doing draconian
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password reset rules like change your password every. 90 days and
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it's. Got to be 16 characters long.
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It's got to have upper and lower.
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It's gotta, you know, it can't have been reused in the last 20
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passwords. And it's like, man, you're not
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following like the NIST recommendations.
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And if you think you can do it better than NIST, yeah, yeah,
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so. You know what drives me crazy is
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you've got, you know, a modern, very good authentication
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platform like an Azure or even an Octa, and you've got all the
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bells and whistles and you don't enforce MFA everywhere, right?
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You've got some other system that's like, we don't have MFA
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on that one, but hey, we've got it on these other, you know, 80
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systems. Guess where?
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Guess where the targeted attacks are gonna go?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So I think that could explain some of the other 11%.
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I think there's also just a portion of the population that
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probably doesn't know. Yeah, because pastoralist is
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like on the multi, wouldn't call it like multiple choice.
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They might just say. That's not a real thing.
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You can't get rid of passwords. It's not a real thing.
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They're not keeping it up and it's like no, this is real.
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It's really your now. But I so from what I've been
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reading is that one of the things that we're going to have
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Andrew Shakyar as one of our guests at Identiverse and so
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supposedly he's going to announce some news right here.
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So make sure you're downloading episodes over the next two weeks
19:37
as we're dropping them. But what I've I've read
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somewhere was that Fido is starting to say, OK yeah we we
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kind of like come so far with the past years and it's the best
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form of authentication for web applications like possession
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based authentication. But now, what's the next?
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What's the next? Generation of improvement and
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it's like the identity verification process, you know,
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doing a validated or verified credential, I'll say you're not
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proofing. Like non web apps is also too
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like that's always a challenge is like I don't think like SSO
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and MFA is a challenge if you're already online, but what if you
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have like a legacy app or an on Prem app or something like that
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where it's not web-based right? You say like proxies and stuff
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like that. Sometimes that could be an
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interesting use case to try to figure out how to put passwords
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in front of that. I know there's third party
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vendors that that do some of that work, but that could be an
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interesting evolution too. Right.
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Yeah. But I think like the identity
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proofing is really, I mean that resonates with me.
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Like if you have the identity right and you're doing an
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identity proofing process where you're maybe picking up some
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factors that can be used for either the authentication or for
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resetting the credentials if you will.
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So in other words, you're doing that live selfie test, and so
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rather than just having a pass a magic link sent to your e-mail
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when you need to reset your password or reset your
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credential, you have to go through the live selfie test
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again. And are you the same person?
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Every single time. Maybe that's when you start
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getting into human repention. Oh, here, I know.
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Here's what's next. We just what we should invent, a
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tiny little camera that sits at the top of your screen and it's
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just always watching you to make sure that it's always you.
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Big Brother. Yeah, Anything else from the
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report that you want to talk about, 'cause we're gonna have a
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we'll have a link in our show notes for people to go out and
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get a copy of it themselves now. You know, here's like even
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though in the end again you mentioned like how this report
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came from Hyper and the conclusion that it came to
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around Pastor Lewis, definitely, you know, matches up with their
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marketing message, I still think it's very beneficial when
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organizations are out there and providing real world research to
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the community. So I think that's something I
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wanted to highlight like when we get an opportunity to to find
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these reports, share the information, share the link and
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for folks to go out there and download the report, read up on
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it. You know, sharpen yourself.
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Sharpen your own soul. Yeah, I mean he's little like,
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you know, numbers and little Nuggets of information are great
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at parties, right? Hey, what's going on era world.
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Well, did you know that 75% expect AI to provide an
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advantage over over cybercriminals?
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I need to read the report and see what that means.
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But I mean, certainly AI is everywhere, but you know, now
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it's obviously the identity in that security space too.
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Yeah, you can tell them. Really fun at parties.
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AI And we're gonna be using AI, so it's.
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Telling really fun at parties because I'm bringing up facts
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like this. Oh yeah, identity parties in any
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way. Yeah, exactly.
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What else do we want to talk about?
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We were trying. We're trying to make this a
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little bit of a shorter episode. I think making a shorter episode
23:05
makes a lot of sense because we can see if you know, people like
23:08
the shorter episodes or if the long format that we've been
23:14
doing for the last five years, I think we've been trying to do
23:16
shorter episodes for five years and it's like this is going to
23:20
be a shorter episode. It winds up being an hour and 15
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minutes. Yeah.
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I'd be curious to hear from folks if they'd rather have
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something that's more like half an hour or an hour or we
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generally try to shoot for 45 minutes.
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But sometimes conversation is just so good and sometimes it
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takes a little bit to get to the actual conversation that we run
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a little bit long. But I'm curious to see what
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people think and take that feedback and maybe do.
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Something we're also like now that we've been doing more video
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of, people are enjoying the video or sticking to the audio.
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I think we're going to do both, regardless of what people's
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opinion is, right your opinion. Doesn't matter.
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We're going to do both the. Video opinion doesn't matter,
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but please share it with us anyway.
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No, but I mean, I've listened to mostly audio podcasts, so I do
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watch some podcasts on video that are more like TV shows.
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But podcasts like ours I listen to on audio.
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We're not doing anything like crazy in the video.
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Yeah, I don't listen to podcasts.
24:18
Those are stupid. What else?
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Anything else? Or should we wrap it up?
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Let's wrap it up, man, I was. Trying to think of a lighter
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note question, and I didn't really think of anything, so
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it's gonna be just kind of off the cuff here.
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What is the worst thing that you can think of to do in Vegas next
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week? What do you absolutely not want
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to do? So don't want to stay out and
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party till like the sun comes up because you're probably not
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going to go to any of the sessions the following day.
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I'm not trying to be like poo poo old grandpa get off my lawn.
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I'm just giving some advice. The same advice I think we've
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given a million times is like pace yourself and I think that
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both. There's always going to be
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parties to go to. There's always going to be like
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craft stables to go to do those things for doing in moderation.
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And then I would say like the to flip the script on that
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question. Some things that are fun to do.
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I think the shows in Vegas are like, incredible.
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Every show I've been to is awesome.
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We're doing two different shows that I haven't done before.
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One's called Shim Lim. He's a magician over at The
25:36
Mirage. The Mirage is only going to
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exist for another two months and then we're going to the sphere.
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So that's cool. We're just, yeah, I'm really
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excited about that. I mean, it just seems like such
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a great experience. So how are you?
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I don't have any fancy plans like that.
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My brother's going to be in town, so we'll probably get some
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dim sum off strip or something like that.
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But I'm the same way. I think, you know, staying up
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all night, that is a a young man's game and I am no longer
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that. So I need my beauty sleep to try
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and take care of this ugly mug. But I think not taking advantage
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of the city of Vegas is something that I don't want to
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not do. Great food, great people
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watching. This is an opportunity, one of
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the best conferences in the year for identity, to talk with
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people in the space, get their opinions on things, stuff like
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that. So I'm trying to take full
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advantage of it can hopefully I can attend more sessions than I
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normally do. So I'm hopeful that I will not
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be in Copper Leaf 7, just straight editing the whole time.
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Yeah. No, I mean, there's so much,
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there's so much to experience. So take it all in.
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Just pace yourself. All right.
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This might be a record for us. The clock that as I'm watching
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this is 25 minutes, almost 26 minutes.
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We'll go ahead and wrap it up for this week.
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We are at Identiverse. If you're listening to this,
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come say hello, say hi. We'll be walking around.
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I'll be hosting a panel on Cape with some new friends.
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Let's see, that's Wednesday at 11:40.
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So come out and check that out. And what else on the web?
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Know if I Yeah, we're still there.
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I just hadn't decided not to promote it.
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But I guess we will as well at IDAC Podcast.
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I love that. There you go.
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