Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #151: America is at the point of diminishing returns in Iran.   If President Trump doesn't walk away soon, he risks becoming LBJ and Vietnam.  In the meantime, Trump is absolutely right in trying to slow down the childhood vaccine freight train that is based less on science than Big Pharma marketing.  And, the Evers Administration says the Milwaukee I-94 project won't be finished until 2035!

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Mark Belling Podcast #151: America is at the point of diminishing returns in Iran.   If President Trump doesn't walk away soon, he risks becoming LBJ and Vietnam.  In the meantime, Trump is absolutely right in trying to slow down the childhood vaccine freight train that is based less on science than Big Pharma marketing.  And, the Evers Administration says the Milwaukee I-94 project won't be finished until 2035! · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: we corrected. Reagan one of the most larger than life
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  Speaker 2: a commanding presence, the fact that he was able to
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  Speaker 2: somehow figuring out how to get himself elected President of
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really commanding in terms of his vocal but part
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  Speaker 2: of the time that he was in in nine to
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  Speaker 2: eleven and so on, there was the sense, at least
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  Speaker 2: early on that he rose to the occasion. But certainly Obama.
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  Speaker 2: Obama had the ability to turn give lefties just goosebumps. Obviously, Trump,
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  Speaker 2: the whole point of Trump is to be larger than life.
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  Speaker 2: He's a caricature of himself. Biden not at all. In
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  Speaker 2: was already seen now when he came into the office,
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  Speaker 2: So he was this doddering slumping figure. Had Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: been elected president the first time he ran thirty five
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  Speaker 2: to forty years earlier, maybe it would have been different.
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  Speaker 2: So again, most but not all. As I said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: one of the most significant and substantial presidencies ever. Whether
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  Speaker 2: you agree with some of the things that he did
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  Speaker 2: or not, this was a giant presidency history happened under Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: It was Johnson, through very much like Lincoln, to the
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  Speaker 2: sheer force of will, got most of the civil rights legislation,
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  Speaker 2: the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act through
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  Speaker 2: the Congress of the United States. And he did this
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  Speaker 2: point it out, but the Democratic Party tried to block
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  Speaker 2: the Civil Rights Act and block the Voting Rights Act
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  Speaker 2: the entire South. And by the way, at the time,
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  Speaker 2: every Southern state, all their members of Congress were Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: All of the Senators from the South at the time
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  Speaker 2: were Democrats, and they were all opposed to the Civil
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  Speaker 2: rights legislation. Johnson was able to hammer and drive that through.
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  Speaker 2: He was also the architect of what he called the
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  Speaker 2: Great Society. There were two huge expansions of the welfare
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  Speaker 2: well three three huge expansions of the welfare state in
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  Speaker 2: the last one hundred years. The first is Franklin Roosevelt
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  Speaker 2: the New Deal, the second was Lyndon Johnson with the
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  Speaker 2: Great Society, and the third was Joe Biden during COVID
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  Speaker 2: and the massive amount of government spending that we enacted.
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  Speaker 2: That and all sorts of programs that they called temporary
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  Speaker 2: then in fact are permitted. So while this may not
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  Speaker 2: be a positive thing, Johnson expanded the Great Society vastly
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  Speaker 2: expanding big government and getting involved in local social service
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  Speaker 2: funding for all sorts of programs that were newly created.
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  Speaker 2: This is a huge presidency and one that in retrospect
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  Speaker 2: you would think the American left, the progressive left, would revere.
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  Speaker 2: But nobody remembers Johnson for any of that. Johnson, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: his presidency ended in shambles. He left the Oval Office humiliated.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't lose reelection. He didn't run for reelection. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't run for reelection because he knew he was going
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  Speaker 2: to lose. He was on the way to being the
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  Speaker 2: first president ever really to be rejected by his own
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  Speaker 2: party in a primary. That just doesn't happen often. Somebody
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  Speaker 2: will challe and you know, if you have a Democratic president,
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  Speaker 2: somebody might run against him the Democratic primary. Same thing
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  Speaker 2: as the Republican president. I think pap you can and
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  Speaker 2: ran against H. W. Bush, and the Republican primaries happened,
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  Speaker 2: but they never win. I think it is likelier than
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  Speaker 2: not that Bobby Kennedy would have beaten Johnson had they
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  Speaker 2: both stuck it out and have Bobby Kennedy naw been killed.
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  Speaker 2: Eugene McCarthy.
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  Speaker 3: Got In.
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  Speaker 2: Was doing very well in the early primaries, ultimately one Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 2: and because he was doing so well, Bobby Kennedy, brother
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  Speaker 2: of John got In, Lyndon John said, had to drop
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  Speaker 2: out of the races. Approval ratings were terrible. How could
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  Speaker 2: a president who was doing all of these things, and
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  Speaker 2: by the way, all of these things that lefties would love,
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  Speaker 2: could become so reviled and hated by his own party.
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  Speaker 2: The answer is, and this has been a controversy forever,
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  Speaker 2: either one or two words. When I was younger is
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  Speaker 2: spelled as two words, and everybody spells it is one Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: John Kennedy sent the first handful of advisors over to Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: but the war was escalated by Linda Johnson. We had
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  Speaker 2: this pipsqueak of a country, North Vietnam that was trying
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  Speaker 2: to take over South Vietnam, and we didn't think that
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  Speaker 2: was a good thing because North Vietnam was Communist. So
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  Speaker 2: we fought this war. We tried to help South Vietnam
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  Speaker 2: stop its takeover from North Vietnam. And this war was
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  Speaker 2: just a train wreck. We were undercut because a huge
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  Speaker 2: whuch percentage of the South Vietnamese population supported North Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: They were called the Viat Cong. Furthermore, the country's a
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  Speaker 2: jungle world. The Pacific portion of World War II was
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  Speaker 2: fought in terrible conditions. These islands that themselves were green
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  Speaker 2: and therefore heavily forested, like fighting in jungles. That's a
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam was only on land, just miserable conditions. In addition
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  Speaker 2: to that, the war was fought almost entirely with people
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  Speaker 2: who didn't want to be there because we had a draft.
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  Speaker 2: They're fighting not only against the North Vietnamese who were
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  Speaker 2: wearing uniforms, but guerrillas, civilians, the Viat Kawan in the south,
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  Speaker 2: where most of our troops were based, being attacked from within.
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  Speaker 2: And Johnson got, okay, fine, where are the United States
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  Speaker 2: where wan World War two? We could win? This just
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  Speaker 2: kept sending more and more and more, and the more
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  Speaker 2: we and the more Americans died. The war was initially
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  Speaker 2: very popular because people assume we'd be able to knock
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  Speaker 2: out this very very weeny little country. Again, this is
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  Speaker 2: a long setup to a contemporary topic. Johnson couldn't accept
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  Speaker 2: that he wasn't going to win the war. Johnson, As
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  Speaker 2: I say, it's this larger than life figure. Before he
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  Speaker 2: was the president, he was the vice president. Before that,
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  Speaker 2: he was the Senate Democratic leader, and the stories are legendary. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he would bully other Democrats to vote for the legislation
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats wanted, one of the things he was notorious for.
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  Speaker 2: I still find this amazing that you could get away
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  Speaker 2: with this. He would grab men's crotches, grab him by
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  Speaker 2: the uno watt and tell I mean that just it's
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  Speaker 2: part of the history that Johnson didn't he was. He
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  Speaker 2: was such a testosterone field driven man that it was
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  Speaker 2: not considered something gay but almost the opposite. It was
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  Speaker 2: like kicking a guy in the balls, only any even worse.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's so, here's Jansen and he can't win
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  Speaker 2: this war, and he's sending all these troops are over
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  Speaker 2: what we're sending, overwhelming this tiny little opposition, and we're
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  Speaker 2: dropping bombs like crazy. We're spraying the country with NAPA
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  Speaker 2: and Americans keep dying. We're spinning our wheels and more
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  Speaker 2: and more people started questioning the loss of human life
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  Speaker 2: with the lack of a rationale for this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't Iran. This isn't the Strait of Hormuz. North
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  Speaker 2: Vietnam wasn't bank rolling anybody else. Strategically, the area was
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  Speaker 2: of limited importance. It was kind of like on a
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  Speaker 2: corner of Southeast Asia. There was simply the argument that
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  Speaker 2: a VI if South Vietnam fell, then Thailand would fall,
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  Speaker 2: Laos would fall, Cambodia would fall, the Domino theory. Johnson
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  Speaker 2: was hell bent at winning a war that he couldn't win.
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  Speaker 2: It consumed him. It made him highly unpopular, and even
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  Speaker 2: though the rest of his presidency, particularly from the perspective
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  Speaker 2: of a liberal, was a tremendous success, he was loathed
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  Speaker 2: and despised by his own party and left as an
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  Speaker 2: extremely unpopular president. My fear is that President Trump might
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  Speaker 2: be becoming LBG. My fear that Iran is becoming our Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: I support, I supported and still support the war with
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  Speaker 2: a Ran. However, President Trump, and again this is why
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  Speaker 2: I talked about the larger than life personalities. I think
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  Speaker 2: President Trump has a need to win the war, and
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  Speaker 2: by winning, the other side has to give up. When
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  Speaker 2: a war is won, it's usually because somebody surrenders. When
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  Speaker 2: there's a negotiated settlement, like say Korea, or even Vietnam,
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  Speaker 2: where the negotiated a settlement, only to have the North
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  Speaker 2: Vietnamese restart the war and win it two years later
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  Speaker 2: after we left. To win a war you have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be a surrender. Germany surrendered, Japan surrendered
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  Speaker 2: in World War Two. The other side surrenders. Iran isn't
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  Speaker 2: going to surrender. Trump has done everything that we have
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  Speaker 2: on our arsenal. We bombed them, we killed their leaders.
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  Speaker 2: We're starving out through economy. We have a blackade on them.
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  Speaker 2: Inflation is out of control, their military has been destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: They're not able to ship out much of their own oil.
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  Speaker 2: Yet they won't say uncle and Trump, who is the
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  Speaker 2: master of the deal. The great negotiator keeps trying to
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  Speaker 2: get them to accept a deal that is perceived as
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  Speaker 2: a victory for him, figuring, well, at some point it's
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  Speaker 2: in their own good to quit this thing and just
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  Speaker 2: give up. But they're not going to do it. The
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  Speaker 2: problem here with the Iranians is is that they're evil
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  Speaker 2: people who don't care about their own citizens. A number
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  Speaker 2: of commentators have made this point. These jihadis couldn't care
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  Speaker 2: less if their own people suffer. They rise up, they
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  Speaker 2: just kill them. They're willing to withstand incredible pain. There's
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  Speaker 2: every logical reason to believe that Iran will sign a
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  Speaker 2: deal we stop bombing them. They pretty much don't do
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  Speaker 2: much with their nuclear program. Reopen the Straight of Harm
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  Speaker 2: Moose so they can print money with the Strait of
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  Speaker 2: Harm Moose and our ships can get through, and so
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  Speaker 2: every logical reason for them to do it. But they're
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  Speaker 2: not doing it. And every time we try to cut
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  Speaker 2: a deal with them, they were an egg. So Trump
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  Speaker 2: wants to make them cut a deal that he can
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  Speaker 2: brag about, but they're not going to do it. Just
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  Speaker 2: as with Johnson, we weren't going to beat North Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: I believe we have accomplished enough in Iran. What were
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  Speaker 2: the big problems with the Ran that got us to
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  Speaker 2: get involved in the first place. They were very close
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  Speaker 2: to having a nuclear weapon, and once they have them,
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  Speaker 2: they can't be deterred in the same way that you
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  Speaker 2: can't really deter Russia, in the same way that Indian
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  Speaker 2: Pakistan can't be deterred because they can start throwing nukes around.
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  Speaker 2: We had to stop that. We had to set back
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  Speaker 2: their nuclear program as far as we could and we
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  Speaker 2: had to make them pay a terrible price for it,
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  Speaker 2: which we did. In addition to that, the entire Middle
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  Speaker 2: East was destabilized over the issue of one country, Israel
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  Speaker 2: and the Palestinians that surrounded Iran hating Israel because of
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  Speaker 2: its zealot religious beliefs. Iran bank world terrorist groups. Iran
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  Speaker 2: is nowhere near Israel. Iran's not even an Arab nation,
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  Speaker 2: It's Persian. Iran is way too. I always have to
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  Speaker 2: think about my directions here to the east. Israel is
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  Speaker 2: on the west edge of the Middle East that abuts
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  Speaker 2: the Mediterranean. Yet Iran has been bankrolling Hamas and Hesbela,
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  Speaker 2: and Hamas and Hesbela have simply done nothing but continuing
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  Speaker 2: to go into Israel and kill israelis destabilizing the entire
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  Speaker 2: region and blocking President Crumb's desire to solve this once
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  Speaker 2: and for all. He was moving in that direction with
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  Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords. We were very close to having Saudi
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  Speaker 2: Arabia recognizing Israel's right to exist. The Emirates had already
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  Speaker 2: done it, and here's Iran keeps screwing this up screw
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  Speaker 2: and we had to stop that. We had to do
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  Speaker 2: something to hit their economy badly enough that they couldn't
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  Speaker 2: continue to go bankrolling these terrorists hundreds of miles away
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  Speaker 2: from Iran. We've accomplished. Both Hamas and Hesbela are out
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  Speaker 2: of money and they ain't getting any from Iran. Because
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  Speaker 2: Iran has broke the nuclear program. It can never be
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  Speaker 2: totally eliminated, even if you sign a deal, because they
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  Speaker 2: can always start it again. But it is clearly but devastated.
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  Speaker 2: The problem, of course, with nuclear weapons is that technology
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  Speaker 2: and knowledge exist, and unless everybody in Iran is stupid,
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  Speaker 2: eventually they'll figure out how to do it themselves. So
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  Speaker 2: all you could do is set it back and detert.
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  Speaker 2: We've done that, but we're not gonna get them to say, uncle,
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  Speaker 2: I believe we need to leave sort of. My newspaper column,
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  Speaker 2: which came out yesterday deals with this subject. Here's what
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  Speaker 2: I mean by sort of. I believe we need to
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  Speaker 2: have a permanent presence near the Strait of Hormuz. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that once this ends, the Iranians will indeed open
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  Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormus because they need it more than us.
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  Speaker 2: As far as the United States is concerned, we get
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  Speaker 2: almost no oil from that region. The rest of the
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  Speaker 2: world gets a lot of oil from that region, and
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  Speaker 2: our and sends its oil to that region. But it's
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  Speaker 2: in Iran's interest once we stop bombing him and doing this,
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  Speaker 2: that or the other thing, to have the straight of
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  Speaker 2: arm Moose open. But I believe we need to have.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've got military all over the world. What
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  Speaker 2: a perfect place for them to be to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that the strait remains open and they pay a price
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  Speaker 2: every time they screw with it. But other than that,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. No more bombing runs, no more insistence on
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  Speaker 2: a deal. There's no point to deal with Iran. They
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  Speaker 2: won't honor it. What's the point of making a handshake
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  Speaker 2: agreement or a signed agreement with somebody who's simply you
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  Speaker 2: can't enforce. If I make it agreement with Dave Michaels's
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  Speaker 2: producing and he violates that, I can sue him and
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  Speaker 2: take him to court. Who do you take a ran to?
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  Speaker 2: What court? If a wife's husband cheats on her thirty
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  Speaker 2: seven times, he can say he's not gonna do it again,
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  Speaker 2: but you're not going to stop him from doing at
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight and again, I support the decision to have
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  Speaker 2: gone into the war, and I believe that we we've
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  Speaker 2: accomplished the vast majority of our goals, and we've left
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  Speaker 2: a ran so crippled and wounded economically that their ability
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  Speaker 2: to do a lot of the trouble that they were
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  Speaker 2: doing before is limited. In addition to that, their patron
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  Speaker 2: in Russia is in no position to do much for them.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got a lot of leverage that we're continuing
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  Speaker 2: to use at the Chinese. The sooner we end the war,
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  Speaker 2: the sooner the Strait will open at least somewhat, and
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  Speaker 2: the sooner oil prices will come down, and the sooner
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  Speaker 2: the American public will stop being frustrated with the war.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that Trump, and again everybody, Trump's flaw,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody has a flaw, every president's a flaw. Trump
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: is an enormous ego. That ego is his strength. Nobody
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: would have been able to withstand the witch hunt and
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  Speaker 2: lies and false charges that were brought against him and
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  Speaker 2: drove them out of office in the first Nobody would have
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  Speaker 2: been able to withstand the lies about Covid and Fauci.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody would have been able to handle the attempts to
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  Speaker 2: throw them in prison during the period. Is out of office,
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  Speaker 2: and some will fight through all of this and come
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  Speaker 2: back and win again. That's because of his incredible ego
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  Speaker 2: and personal strength. Say I can overcome these bastards. That's
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  Speaker 2: his strength. But it can be his weakness. You can't
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  Speaker 2: win everything, or sometimes you can't win all of what
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  Speaker 2: you want to win. Crump doesn't like it when some
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  Speaker 2: didn't do what he wants. Again, this can be a weakness.
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  Speaker 2: It's a strength. Certainly, you need to have a commanding
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  Speaker 2: personality that you're not walked all over. But you know
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  Speaker 2: this thing with a reflecting pool, she needn't. Piro is
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  Speaker 2: as conservative a federal prosecutor as you can imagine. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: made the determination that the biggest problem with regard to
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  Speaker 2: the discoloration of the water and they're reflecting pool is
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  Speaker 2: the contractor screwed up. It's clear these vandals are messing
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  Speaker 2: her own with it, but it doesn't look like they
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  Speaker 2: were the majority of the problem. Hero doesn't charge and
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  Speaker 2: Trump is just furious because Pierro wanted him to wanted
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  Speaker 2: her to keep going through with the charges. See that's
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  Speaker 2: normally a strength. There's been way too many Republican leaders
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  Speaker 2: that have allowed their staffs to walk all over them.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of the weaknesses of w Bush, the
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  Speaker 2: permanent Washington infrastructure. The swamp consumed him. Trump isn't consumed
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: by that swamp. He beat the swamp. It is in
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: his own best interest to look for an exit ramp
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: out of a ran in the same way that it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was in Johnson's best interest, who found an exit ramp
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: out of Vietnam. He never did. And the biggest thing
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to this day Lennon Johnsons remembered for is Vietnam in perspective.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: He's been reviewed in thought of the other things, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: civil rights legislation, and people realize that he's one of
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the greatest presidents of all time, with Vietnam being the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: massive flaw. I am not one of these people who
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: turns on Trump because he doesn't listen to me on
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: one thing or another, or whose anti Semitism is so
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: overwhelming that I can't stand the fact that Trump might
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: do something that Israel wants. But it is apparent to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: me that no matter how much more we bomb Iran
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and a second part that haven't really gone into it, Hina,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: we're routing out of missiles. We can't deplete our entire
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: missile supply when I'm still having to deal with the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: rest of the world over this Iran thing. They're just
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: never going to give in. The only way Iran gives
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: in is if they are overthrown internally, if the citizenry,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: with the help of local police, rise up and start
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: killing the local leaders and revolting against this government. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it may well be that the economy is so bad
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that they're going to give it another run. The problem,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of course, he is, is that every time they try
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to revolt, they get killed, and the local officials have
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: tended to side with the larger government rather than have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the local Rather, you haven't seen cases of the local
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: police going on and killing the military to try to
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: put up areas of resistance. Those things, however, can build fast.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Cuba fell real quickly, Romania felt real quickly. But that's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the only way I see Iran falling from within. And
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I've been saying this for months. It is not our
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: job to overthrow the government of Iran. It was our
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: job to achieve or achieve our military goal on strategic goals,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: and I think we achieved most of them all. Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Next issue, Trump is getting all sorts of brief as
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you might expect for signing his executive order calling for
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: reform of the childhood vaccination program. I supp abort this. Now,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: let me start from the beginning. I am not an expert,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and I don't even know all the things we vaccinated
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: children for. What does it now? It's eighty four, some
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: insanely high number. Do you know what it is, Dave?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know what it is? It's way up there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: It is clear to me that some of the vaccinations
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: are unnecessary. Diseases that are transmitted primarily through gay sexual activity,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: do not need to be given to infants. I think
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Trump has some credibility here. It was under Trump's presidency
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that the COVID vaccine flawed and perhaps failed, as it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: was certainly lied about. This was created under Trump. Trump
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: himself was vaccinated multiple times and crote about it. The
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: resistance to this comes from a medical and media establishment
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: that is biased and in fact, is bought and paid for.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: We need to get past this notion that just because
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: some people say children should be vaccinated, it doesn't mean
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that they're right. They may be right that some children
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: should be given most of these vaccinations, but simply because
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: they say it, and who's saying it a government medical
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: establishment that is totally co opted, bought and paid for
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: by the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry is doing one
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: thing with vaccines. They're trying to sell a product, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: when they get that product on a schedule that almost
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: every child is then expected to get. Can you imagine
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: if McDonald's was able to mandate that everybody eat a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: big Mac once a week. There used to be incredible
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: distrusted in this country of big pharma, and for whatever reason,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that distrust has just gone from the media and it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: gone from the American left. Just because big Farmer wants
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to give a kid a vaccine against hepatitis doesn't mean
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that that's a good public policy idea. They want to
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: give a kid a vaccine against some toenail fungus because
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: somebody might get it. It's somewhere. That doesn't mean it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a good idea. Just because they want to do it
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that we have to need to roll over
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and say so. But the FDA and the Drug Approval
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Board is filled with people who are evolving door in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: which they go in and out of the pharmaceutical industry.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: People work ten years for the government and that go
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and get a bigger, higher paying job in big pharma,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So of course that green lad and reperstant these things.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And some in the medical community, some doctors, not all,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: many are free thinking, although no on anymore is how
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to prescribe or drugger tell you what shot to get.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, we have gone from only a handful
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of vaccines children got my era to whatever number they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: all have. Now what do we gained to this? By
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: every measure that I can see, children are more unhealthy
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: now than they were before. Now there may be reasons
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: for this that have nothing to do with the vaccines,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: but we learned dring COVID that we never thought anything
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: through COVID bad get the shot. We refuse to listen
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to anyone who was saying, well what about this that
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: will happen because of the shot or this or this
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: or this or this. We even mandated the shot for children,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: even though it was utterly unnecessary. Children weren't dying of
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: COVID and most weren't even getting sick. Yet there we
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: are giving them shots. Why were we doing so? Because
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the drug company was making money off of this slime
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: balls were tied into it like Fauci, and we never
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: thought through the ramifications with every health there's a reason
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: why I'm approaching this age group so I know about
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: some of these things. There's an age at which you
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: get in which they don't want to do prostate surgery
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on you, even if you have prostate cancer, because the
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: surgery is so much trouble and the cancer so is
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: slow moving that they don't think it's worth it. There's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: an age that you get to the thing no longer
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: need to do a colidoscopy on you. Well, you're old
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: enough anyway, you're going to die within fifteen twenty years.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It's not a need to do all these invasive things. Likewise,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: there may be an illness that you have, but the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: treatment for it is too devastating that you'd rather just
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: put up with the illness. Vaccines should be looked upon
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the same way, but we don't consider any of these
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: potential ramifications. Are these vaccines causing child obesity, I don't know.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Are they causing autism? I don't know. Something is Yet
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: we're listening to people who say this is absolutely the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: best interest the health of our children, who presided over
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: forty and fifty years of children getting less healthy. Your
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: immune system is a complicated thing. We have an incredible
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: increase in my lifetime of autoimmune diseases. Autoimmune diseases are
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: your immune system overreacting? Is it because we've screwed with
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: our immune system so much by vaccinating us to death? Next,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: there is clearly a stronger case for some vaccines than others.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: The measles vaccine might be one of them. There's been
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: a big increase in measles cases because fewer people are
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: getting vaccinated. Well, I suggest one of the reasons fewer
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: people are getting vaccinated for measles is a lot of
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: people have believed that this whole notion of vaccination. It's
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a case of crying wolf. People who saw that they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: were lied to about the need for kids or even
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: themselves to be vaccinated against COVID figure the light about
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: all of them. So Trump suggesting that we spread these
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: out rather than loading like fifty two vaccines into one
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: giant shot or harpooting these poor children. Again. I'm not
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: an expert on which one should be given when or
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: what the timing should be, but this does need reform.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Last year's flu shot failed. When I say failed, it
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: means it didn't seem to do anything to dent the fluid.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The problem with the flu vaccine is they make the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: vaccine for specific strains of flu. If a flu emerges
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: during the flu season, then isn't one of the strains
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that's in the vaccine, and it's usually three or four strains,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: it's of no protection for you. What they do is
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they make their best guests. We think these are gonna
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: be the big fluids that are out there this winter.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: If it's not, it doesn't work. Some people want the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: flu vaccines, some do not. It means that they don't
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: always work, and there may be arguments for and against it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: We've not been willing to even engage on this topic.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: You're listening to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Mark Belling Podcast. I was talking about Crump trying to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: reform the childhood vaccine schedule. The elephant in the room
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: is the COVID vaccine in Fauci. Earlier this week, Fox
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: News is Bill Malugan was the first to report on
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the texts between Fauci and the Surgeon General of the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: United States, VIVEC.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Murphy.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: In his text, Fauci acknowledged that there was some indication
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that the COVID vaccine was increasing the likelihood of miscarriage
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: by pregnant women. Bill Malugan is now pointing out that
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: he's uncovered texts from the Surgeon General Biden Surgeon General
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: saying the same thing. She wrote. I've been hearing concern
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: about the mRNA causing mutations in the developing fetus as well.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So we know that Fauci and the Surgeon General, we're
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: both aware twenty twenty one era that these vaccines were
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: causing mutations in developing fetuses. They never said anything that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: is depraved, whether a medication or a vaccine or any
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: treatment is overall good or bad. There is a moral
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: obligation to share with people the good and the bad.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I just had my annual physical this week. They go
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: through everything under the sun, well you know, and what
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: of them was They were thinking of changing one of
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: my drugs. Not with regard to change. And it's by
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the way, a statin from one stat into a different statin.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: What do I know about that? The doctor includes me
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: in the decision. Well, if you do this, there might
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: be this and this and this and this and and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the other thing. They didn't try it out like push
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: me and only give me the positives of one thing.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Every time they talk to me about anything, they say, well,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: these are the positives and these are the negatives, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: then you make a decision. Anybody who raised any questions
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: or concerns about what was going on with these vaccines
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: was told by the media to shut up and was
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: told the layer and was called irresponsible. We now know,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and by the way, maybe I missed it. I didn't
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: even hear this one. There were all the ones with
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: regard to heart problems and people having autoimmune problems. There
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: was the which packer offensive Lineman's wife was badly injured
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: by a COVID is Ken Rutgers. We heard about those things.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I don't recall hearing that there may be miscarriages because
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of this. But what we do know is Fouchi knew
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: that it was going on, and so did the Surgeon General,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and they didn't tell us. So you wonder why many
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: of us are not skeptic about the remainder of the vaccines.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Bernie Moreno, excellent senator from Ohio. Anthony Fauci is the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: most destructive public health official in American history. He aggressively
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: pushed experimental COVID shots on pregnant women while the data
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: on fetal and maternal risk was still incomplete and could test.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Let me interject, I'm telling you I don't always read
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: when they put me on a new matter something all
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the warnings and all of this stuff. But I'm telling you,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: almost every drug that's out there, they raised the question
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of pregnant or breastfeeding women because they're carrying another human being.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And they's just a ton of drugs that are recommended
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: for you know, anybody, but not pregnant or breastfeeding women,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: numerous of them because the drug is then being given
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to the baby if still in womb, or through the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: mother's milk if they're being breastfed, So the mother might
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: need the drug, but it might screw it up for
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the kids. This is not all sorts of drugs, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine was one of them. So they say
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: this about everything, but you have the most experimental vaccine
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: we've ever had, and they don't share that concern about
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the pregnant women with this one. Back to Marito, he
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: orchestrated the systematic shaming, deplatforming, and professional punishment of doctors
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and scientists who raise legitimate safety questions and internal communications
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: later showed he was privately far more aware of the
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: uncertainties and potential harms than he ever admitted publicly. One
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: of the things about the whole Fauci thing that is
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: remarkable is now that the truth is I took all
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the time, But when the truth comes out, the lefties
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: will usually just move on even when they've been proven wrong.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: The truth is out about Fauci. He's a monster. He
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: lied about everything, and now we learned that he was
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: covering up things that he knew about the downsides of
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the vaccines. Thin could easily just blame it on him
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: when we believe Fauci. As it turns out, he was
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a scum bucket. They can't do that because they worship folks. See,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: they simply can't admit that they were worshiping a false prophet.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It's not hard to admit you're wrong. I didn't think
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Crowley would beat Hard. I's wrong. How hard was that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to say, I'm not gonna be one of these people
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I saw it coming. I didn't. If I would have
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: seen it coming, I would have a said so on
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the podcast before the election. Hey, I think Crowley could win.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Crowley could win I didn't says wrong. How hard is
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that to admit? I want to discuss a topic that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: we broached on yesterday's podcast. The Ebers administration is now
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: saying the long wang, long, long long widening of Interstate
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: ninety four in central Milwaukee County will take two years
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: longer than expected. It was The Journal Sentinel that first
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: reported this. The State Department of Transportation made a report
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to the state's Transportation Projects Commission, and it says that
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the clause that they're going to be cost overruns on
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: this and delays, and it has to do with the
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: problems of relocating the utilities that are along the line.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Blah blah, blah blah. So far, the ninety four project
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: has been manageable. It's terrible during rush hours, but rush
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: hours are always bad. I come in to do the podcast,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I'm usually outside the rush hour. I come in anywhere
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: between eight thirty and nine to fifteen, depending on the day.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: The rush hour going west is mostly over. It slads
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: me usually four or five minutes. I have the alternateto
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of being able to take eight ninety four when I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: come back home in the afternoon. It's early afternoon, it's
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: a slower time. Maybe it's costing me two to three minutes,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and almost always they're still able to keep two of
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the three lanes open. They're jury rigged up and we've
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: lost some of the exits. But as this thing moves forward,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it's going to be even more restrictive. Particularly when they
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: start building the double deck lanes and so on, they're
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: going to have to close down entire chunks. This is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: a bad thing. Now the broad project is necessary. I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: don't believe that there is any sense by these bureaucrats,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a feeling that they need to get this downe on time.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Where is DOT based Madison? What a bureaucrat in Madison
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: give a crap as to whether or not you're adding
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: twenty five minutes to a drive for people, or you
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: make it impossible for people to get from one place
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: to another. So they just get give up and not
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: do it. What do they care if there's an increase
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in crashes because of all the fender that are occurring there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: They don't. I talked a little bit earlier about the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: tight two tight, too cozy relationship between the FDA and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: big Pharma. There is too tight and too cozy relationship
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: between the road builders road contractors and subcontractors and dot
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: project managers. I have been on this for thirty years,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and I've talked about it during Republican and Democratic administrations.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I've talked about it during Tommy Thompson's great administration. There
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: needs to be an adversarial relationship. You need to ride
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: herd on these people, because, just like Big Pharma, if
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: they can come up with a way to take more
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: time to do something less overtime costs and so on,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and put in change orders that they get paid more
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: for doing a job for which they put in a bid,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: they're gonna do it. This doesn't hold up all the time.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: He's telling you. Somebody who's gotten around the country a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: little bit. You see a road project or a public
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: works project that is taking way longer than expected and
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: at way greater cost. Almost always the public officials in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: charge of that community are Democrats. It was Jim Doyle
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: that oversaw the I ninety project south of Madison cost
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: overrun through the roof. It was Scott Walker that oversaw
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the Zoo Interchange project done on time.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: And on budget.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Evers is a disengaged governor. He got engaged in the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: governor's race here because his staff told him to. Evers
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: is also a lame duck. This is intolerable to say
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: that a project that was already going to go on
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: into the twenty thirties is going to take an additional
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: two years. I don't believe it needs to take an
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: additional two years as it is. I don't know why
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: it takes as long as it does. It's sort of
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: a complicated project, but it's road. I mean, we've built
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: entire freeways that didn't exist in a shorter period of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: time than this. It shouldn't take this long. On yesterday's program,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I suggested that this is an issue for Tom Tiffany
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: to get on in which he needs to stand up
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and vow that they're going to get this done by
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the original timetable, and if he's elected, he needs to
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: ride their butt to make sure that it happens. Where
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: there is a will, there's a way. Likewise, when a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: government contractor is able to slack, they're going to slack.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Public employees still working from home under Avers, they're going
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to slack because Ebras is allowing them to slack because
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: he's tight with the public employee unions. The same is
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: true of any contractor or any anything interesting story reported
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: earlier this week, an AI program went rogue and created
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: an extreme security breach. Let me quote from the report
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: on the Epic Times. What if in an artificial intelligence
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: model is given a task and uses every conceivable resource
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: at its disposal to complete it, even to the detriment
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: of humanity itself. That is what some are now fearing
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: after an open AI model broke out of a testing
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: sandbox and used zero day exploits back into hugging Face,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: an open source community for AI and machine learning to
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: crack a problem it was in strong to solve. All right,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: let me translate that into English. You had an AI
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: model here there was told to do something, and it
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: did anything that it could do it including things that,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: as it turns out, were very dangerous things to do.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence can only do what it's programmed to do.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: The fear here is this. This is clear science fiction stuff.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: It's one of a lot of science fiction. But they
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: said the future it would develop into never really happened.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Like remember the Jetsons and I, you know, as a kid,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I kind of thought that was realistic, that we would
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: have flying cars. Deve tells me they're making a movie
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: of the Jetsons. Now that's amazing to me because I
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: think every cartoon they hadn't done it yet. Are you
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: sure it's not a sequel? Oh my god, Jim. Is
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Jim Carrey going to be in every John Goodman? Was
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Fred Flintstone?
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Jim Carrey another comic book cartoon thing? Jim Carrey
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: has not been in a good movie in forty years.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I thought Truman Show was brilliant. I mean, he's just
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: he's been in anyway, we need to also tell AI
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: what it can't do. The science fiction stuff. You know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you go back to some of the stuff in the fifties,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: some machine or some robot would go out of control
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and do something terrible and you couldn't stop it. This
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: is I think a real possibility now. Open AI is
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: saying that this was a controlled environment, and the model
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: we created, we created for the purposes of thinking outside
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the box and think creatively. It didn't actually do anything.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe yes, maybe not, But the fact that in a
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: controlled environment it could do it means that in an
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: uncontrolled environment it could do it. When you consider the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: number of things that AI is currently running, and if
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: we tell AI that it must complete a task. And
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: AI is obviously smarter than the way humans are able
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to think on their feet. It's going to think to
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: do some of these things that we would know personally
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't do. But how does AI know that it
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: shouldn't do it? Unless every possible thing that you can't
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: do is programmed in. It is very hard. You can
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: tell someone to do ABCDE F, and G, but it's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: hard to come up with the number of things that
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you can tell them not to do, because that's infinite.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are fears of AI displacing jobs
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and all these things, and those are all valid fears.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: But my biggest concern with ANY is an out of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: control AI doing things that we can't stop. It's been
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: discussed forever with weapon systems. Fortunately, in weapon systems, we
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: know the obvious risks there and they're trying to build
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: safeguards in. But what about, say, other stuff AI take
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: care of this? Well, the only way I can take
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: care of this is to shut off the electrical gridness.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, just all of this stuff I think is possible.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: We worry on the AI thing about things that I
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: think aren't that big of a deal, like data centers.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We don't worry enough at all about AI, once established
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: being stronger, more powerful than humans, and not able to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: be overridden. On the podcast yesterday talking about the elections,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I talked about the betting odds in the Wisconsin governor
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: election and for that matter, the congressional race in northern Wisconsin.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: There's two companies, Kelshy and Polymarket. Kelshy right now is
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: bigger than Polymarket in terms of taking bets. They're not
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: considered to be betting. They call themselves commodity futures contracts.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: It's betting. It's a gray area right now. Currently you
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: can operating in the state of Wisconsin. There are lawsuits
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: claiming that it is illegal. But at the moment kelsh
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: is out there. You can set up an account and
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the number of things that you can bet on is incredible.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: This race is an interesting story. Break the story that
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I found in the Wall Street Journal quite interesting. One
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: of the things that you can bet on on Kelshi
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: is an over under of the number of flight delays
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in a given day. And then at lists the airport.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Let's just take at Lanta, the biggest busiest in the world,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm just going to come up with a fake number.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Will there be more than forty nine delays or not
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: delays cancel? Will there be more than forty nine flight
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: cancelations at the Atlanta Hartsville Jackson Airport. Well, what people
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: do is they'll look at the weather forecast two or
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: three days down and try to figure it out and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: either more yes or no, end bet at it. The
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: story in the Wall Street Journal deals with a separate
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: company called flight Aware. Many of you know about flight Aware.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I use flight Aware. Flight Aware tracks I don't know
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: about internationally, but attracts all flights in the United States.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: So you go on flight aware and it has a
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: map and you can tell exactly where every flight is.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: If you're on a particular flight, you can go to
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: flight aware and it'll tell you how many miles you
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: are from your destination. It'll tell you the speed of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the aircraft. Amazing the number of things that'll tell you.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Flight Aware is a very profitable company. And one of
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the things that attracks is delaysing cancelation, so that you
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: can at the tip of a finger find out whether
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: or not every flight in the unit. Any flight that
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: you want to look into, you can find out it's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: exact us, so that I've to go to the airline
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: site and so on. Kelsey is using with regard to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: these wagers on how many cancelations they'll be at an airport,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: they're using flight aware as numbers. In other words, they say,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: based on flight alert Ware's numbers, will there be more
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: than this number of cancelations at O'Hare. Flight Aware is
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: saying that this is proprietary information. You're stealing our trademark.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: You cannot put our name or our logo in this.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: You can't use us at all. But there's a greater
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: concern with this. I'm going to share this story by
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: talking about something that happened in horse racing over this
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: past weekend. It is the story currently in horse racing.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: A couple of very low profile trainers from Florida. When
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I say low profile, they only run a few horses
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: a year and they don't win much. Took a few
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: horses from Floorida, put them on a van and went
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: up to a private training center in Maryland called Fairhill.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Private training centers a lot of people have horses at them.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: It just means that they're not at the racetrack, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: they don't have the same kind of scrutiny and regulators.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: The tracks have. Racetracks have security personnel all over the place.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: If you have a horse do a time work out
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: at a racetrack, there's an official that's timing the work.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: They may lie about it, but at the training centers
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: there's nobody there timing the work. It's the hounor system. If,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: for example, you want to do administer a drug illegally
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: to a horse, a training center is a better way
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: to do it because there's a lot of people that
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: are watching eyeballs all over the place at the racetrack
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: cameras and so on. At private training center, you're on
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: your own time. Now, this particular training center, Fairhill, has
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: a tremendous reputation, but they rent barns out. You can
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: be a landlock. You're run out an apartment. You know,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you don't know what somebody is going to do inside
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: that apartment. So anyway, they took this handful of horses
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and they were at fair Hill for several months, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: they entered all of them over a two day period
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: this past weekend, five on Sunday and two on Monday,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and several of the tracks were high profile tracks. The
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: most high profile track in America in the summer is Saratoga.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: All of these were lightly raced horses that didn't have
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of experience, so you can't look at thirty
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: two races and know what the horse is going to do.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: But in each case, the horses were not very good
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: and hadn't done much in their earlier racing, and they
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: were taken from a lower track and placed into races
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: at Saratoga where the racing is tougher. Four of the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: five Sunday horses won. One of the tracks was Monmouth
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Park in New Jersey, and the horses were entered in
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: races that ran back to back. One of the horses
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: was a long shot, the other was a medium priced horse.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: The daily double on those two horses came back extremely small.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It came back extremely small because these horses were betting
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the daily double way more than they should be based
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: on what they were at Saratoga. They were races four
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and seven on Sunday. There's a bet called the pick four.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: You bet the first horse in race four, everybody in
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: races five and six, and you bet the other horse
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that comes into this morning. RaSE seven. As I say,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: four of the five to one and none of them
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: figured to win, and they were all from trainers who
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: don't normally race it either of those two tracks, and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: they were all at the Fairhill Training Center prior to this,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and they were all entered in a short window. It
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: turns out there are bookmakers in Britain. In Britain, bookmaking
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: is legal, so you can place wagers on American races
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: in Britain and that money does not get put into
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: the wagering pool, so therefore it doesn't affect the odds
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: on the track. If I bet, I'll just grab a
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: big number. Because that's what we're talking about here. Ten
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars on a race at a track in America
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and there's only one hundred thousand dollars bet on that
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: entire race. I've just crashed the odds on my horse.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: But if I bet with a bookie and it's just
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: going into his pocket and it's not going into the pool,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the odds don't go down. It's been reported that British
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: bookmakers lost collectively millions of dollars on these horses. That
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: the people that were behind this betting coup put huge
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: chunks of their bets with bookmakers in Britain. So as
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: to maximize their payout and draw a ten shit away
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: from them. Because if the odds on these horses say
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: lowered wayway, not only would they make less on their bet,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: people would know that these horses are likely live. Why
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: are they being bet like this? Everybody's investigating now. The
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: two horses that were to run on Monday were both
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: scratched and the orders of the race tracks involved because
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: everybody knew something was up. What we don't know is
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: whether or not the horses were drugged. There are performance
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: enhancing drugs and there are also pain medications that you
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: can illegally give to a horse. They've done blood draws
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: on all of them and we'll find out whether or
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: not they were using anything that can be detected. In
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: many cases they use stuff that we don't know what
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: it is, and the tests don't occur. What we do
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: know is that the two horses in Saratoga, when the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: trainer who ran these two winning horses, he tried to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: leave the grounds before that. Every horse has to do
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: a blood draw after a race. He tried to leave
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the grounds before the horses did the blood draw. They
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: told them, hey, you can't leave with your horses. He
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: put them on a van and started heading toward the
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: exits the exit gate door and call police to not
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: allow them to get out. Well, the fact that he
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: tried to get out of dodge like that is rather suspicious.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: It's a long, convoluted story. The point of this is this,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: we're going to get back to call Sheep. Whenever you
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: have the ability to bet on something, there are going
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: to be people who try to rig the outcome. This
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: is a big problem in sports right now, where you
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: can bet on everything from what's the next pitch going
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: to be? You can bet on will a player have
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: more than more or less than six rebounds? Very easy
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: for a player to not have a couple of rebounds
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: are bouncing toward him, to not reach over and get
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: the ball. You could easily do that without anybody noticing.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Now the concern here on the Calshy situation with regard
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: to the flight cancelations. Flight Aware, the company that is
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: suing over the use of its name by Kelshi, is
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: saying there is a grave concern here. Let's imagine let's
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: take Atlanta and the over under is twenty seven flights
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: will be canceled today. Somebody has a bunch of their
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: buddies make zillions of dollars worth of bets that it
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: will go over, that the incentive could do something that
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: would cause cancelation of flights, phone in a bomb thread,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: pull some fire alarms at the airport, any number of
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: things that you could do given the Kelshie is allowing
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: you to bet on almost anything in life. People have
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: raised this concern with regard to the betting on politics.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Will people base their votes solely on which way they've
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: betted on? Calshie If they bet on a certain candidate
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: to win, never mind what that candidate stands for, I'm
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: going to bet on that candidate. This is clearly the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: wild West. Whether it should be allowed or not, I'm
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: an agnostic on but I do think we have to
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: get over this notion that this isn't gambling by saying
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: it's a commodity's futures contract. This is betting. It's no
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: different than betting on sports at potawatomy or betting on sports.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: It's betting, and we're allowing betting on all sorts of
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: things that legally we never allowed betting on. For example,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: in Las Vegas that had a rule forever you can't
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: bet on anything that involves human decision, like you couldn't
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: bet on voting for the Academy Awards. In Las Vegas.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: They'd postly you can bet on them, you know, illegally offshore,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: but in Las Vegas you couldn't because of fear that
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: somebody might have the inside information on who's going to
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: win and end up cashing cashing a big bet there.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: With regard to what's going on on Kelshi, you're regulating
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: the slightest little thing in the world, and the potential
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: for people taking action, often dangerous action, to produce an
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: i out come on a wager is very real. You're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: listening to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Belling podcast for those of you who listen to these
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: podcasts and you Binge listened to two, three, four at once.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: We spent the Wednesday podcast entirely on the results of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: this week's election, and I covered a lot of things there,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to do pretty much the rest of
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: the world on today's podcast because we neglected everything else
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: on yesterday's podcast. I do want to end the program, however,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: on a political message. I alluded to this briefly yesterday.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: We have in Wisconsin a clear contrast and candidates for governor.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Tiffany is a conservative Republican from northern Wisconsin. Crowley is
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: a very liberal Democrat from Milwaukee. It is expected to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: nationally be a Democratic year. On the other hand, there's
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: so much working against Crowley in Wisconsin. The governorship cans
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to go back and forth. If you just had a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Democratic governor, likely the next one is a Republican and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: vice versa. It's worked that way historically in Wisconsin for
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: the longest time. In addition to that, Milwaukee candidates historically
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: do terribly in statewide elections, terribly. Who's the last governor
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin to come from the city of Milwaukee. You
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: have to consult the history books for that. The answer,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: by the way, is an asterisk. Marty Schreiber was the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: lieutenant governor who took over as governor because Pat Lucy resigned,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: but he was not elected to that position. He in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: fact ran for a full term and didn't win it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I'm asked by Day of do you consider its Scott
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Walker to be from Milwaukee? Skytwalker's in the sub He's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: from Wawatosa. In addition to that, Walker was the rare
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: case of a Milwaukee area Republican Republican. In Walker's case,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: his being from the Milwaukee County was a plus because
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: people looked at him statewide as being this guy was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: able to govern conservatively in the second most liberal county
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: in the state of Wisconsin. But in terms of you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: can restrict it to Democrat politicians if you want. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Scott Walker was not a City of Milwaukee politician. And
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: I'm referencing City of Milwaukee. It's been a pathway to nothing.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: People in the rest of the state don't want to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: elect Milwaukee people to bring. Look for Henry Meyer was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: the Milwaukee mayor for twenty eight years. He had no
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: chance of getting any other gig peer to run for governor.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: He would have been plastered.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: People in this state do not press Milwaukee politicians because
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: they think Milwaukee is badly run. It's remarkable and how
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: many loonies are on Madison that we elect Madison Democrats
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the state wide office. But the Milwaukee track record is limited.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: The one case of somebody who won a statewide election
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: was Herb Cole, but he didn't come out of Milwaukee governance.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: In terms though, of a state government statewide position, particularly
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: governor Milwaukeeans don't win. Secondly, when do Republicans win? Every
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: time the Republicans run someone from out state, and when
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: I say out state, Western or northern Wisconsin, they win.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I wrote a column about a year ago. Maybe it's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: earlier this year, but Tiffany got into the race, and
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I came up with a listing of them, and I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: don't have all of them off the top of my head.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy Thompson came from Elroy, Wisconsin. Lee Drefis before him
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: came from Stevens Point, and I'm talking where they lived
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: at the time they were running for governor. The last
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Republican governor before him was Warren Knowles. He came from
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: New Richmond, which is way in northwestern Wisconsin. I believe
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: the last Republican before him was Vernon Thompson Richland Center, Wisconsin.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: You can go back forever. One of the Kohlers was elected,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: and he was obviously from Cohler. When Republicans run someone
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: from out state, that's when they win. You could even
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: look at our recent United States Senate elections. Ron Johnson
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: was from Oshkosh. The Republican strength is not necessarily when
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: they run someone from the Milwaukee suburbs that can work.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Walker got elected governor. But when they run someone from outstate.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, outstate voters like voting for people from outstate.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Now you can say, well, much of outstate is already
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: a Republican, but there's a lot of swing voters there.
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  Speaker 2: Let's take somebody who's not really that political, who lives
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  Speaker 2: in Wasaw, you know, the strong beliefs, who they likely
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  Speaker 2: to identify with Tiffany or some guy from Milwaukee who
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  Speaker 2: they never heard of until like two days before the primary. Geographically,
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  Speaker 2: this is a good matchup for the Republicans. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things bad about the matchup. In the biggest
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  Speaker 2: is the year. I mean, it's just historic. Off your
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  Speaker 2: elections of a president. They don't always, but almost always
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  Speaker 2: they swing toward the party out of power. And because
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  Speaker 2: we're a swing state, there's no margin. Now, the Republicans
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  Speaker 2: probably keep the governorship in Florida because Florida has gotten
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  Speaker 2: really a Republican. Wisconsin's as close as state as there is.
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  Speaker 2: It's the wrong year for this, but there are things
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  Speaker 2: that work to the republic An advantage. Therefore, now Republican
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  Speaker 2: political consultancy strategists never listen to me, I'm very, very
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  Speaker 2: smart and shrewd about these things, and I'm almost always right.
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  Speaker 2: They don't listen to me. But I'm just gonna give
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  Speaker 2: him free advice here. Tiffany needs to make this election.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to identify himself as being from up there,
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  Speaker 2: and he has done this so far. But now we
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  Speaker 2: know the I've get dumb questions occasionally from listeners, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes the questions are dumb just because people don't know
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  Speaker 2: any better. They've been asking you for weeks. I have
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  Speaker 2: people ask me why is Tiffany running all of these
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  Speaker 2: positive ads? Why is it he running any ads ripping
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  Speaker 2: on these Democratic opponents? And the answer is he didn't
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  Speaker 2: know who he was gonna be as it was some
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  Speaker 2: of the pounding that Republicans have done on hang. What
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  Speaker 2: good does that do now, Crawleys, I'm not hog. Tiffany's
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  Speaker 2: focus starting now is to make contrast of himself with
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  Speaker 2: Crowley running as northern Wisconsin versus leftist Milwaukee. Hack is
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  Speaker 2: a great contrast for Tiffany, and I strongly suggest they
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  Speaker 2: use it. Even lefties live like up north Wisconsin. Who's
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  Speaker 2: going up north all the time? All these people from Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: the voting patterns of northern Wisconsin, and furthermore, just the
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  Speaker 2: governance of the way northern Wisconsin. And nobody looks at
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  Speaker 2: these areas and think that they're mismanaged. They think there's
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  Speaker 2: tremendous common sense there. Nobody thinks there's any common sense
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  Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. Now, I'm not even talking about these specifics
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  Speaker 2: that I think that they can go after Crowley with.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you want to run the state guy who
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  Speaker 2: was involved in tourism, business industry, small town guy from
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  Speaker 2: northern Wisconsin, smart enough that he got himself into the
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  Speaker 2: state legislature where he did an excellent job and now
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  Speaker 2: a respected member of Congress, small town values Court of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Or a lifelong government hack who got himself elected County
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  Speaker 2: executive of Milwaukee and has not done one thing to
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  Speaker 2: improve the slumping quality of life at Milwaukee. It's just
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  Speaker 2: a great contrast. Now here's what will happen if Tiffany
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  Speaker 2: uses it. He will be accused of racism. Crawley's black,
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  Speaker 2: Tiffany's white. Milwaukee has a large African American population, the
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  Speaker 2: area of that Tiffany comes from does not. They'll use that.
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  Speaker 2: It's completely bogus. They'll use it because they don't want
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  Speaker 2: this argument. They do not want to try to argue
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  Speaker 2: that Milwaukee has better run than Northern Wisconsin. Who has
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  Speaker 2: better schools Milwaukee and Northern Wisconsin. Who is a rickety
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  Speaker 2: train running around on city streets. I don't see that
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  Speaker 2: running around on the streets. A pest to go my
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  Speaker 2: elector probably is some little train that runs around. You
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  Speaker 2: get my point. On the fourth of July, my guess
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  Speaker 2: is there were fireworks in every small town in northern
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin and every one of the lakes that were up there.
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  Speaker 2: David crowdly canceled that we had a laser show, and
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  Speaker 2: by the way, a bad one. And everybody senses this.
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  Speaker 2: All the public schools that are every public school in
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  Speaker 2: the state, all claims are screwed under the state aid formula.
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  Speaker 2: Some are, but one thing that all of them agree
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  Speaker 2: on is too much of it goes to Milwaukee. Milwaukee says,
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  Speaker 2: we're never getting enough state aid for the schools, so
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee gets more and more and more and more and
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  Speaker 2: more and more, way dist proportionate to the NuBus students
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  Speaker 2: in MPs. Do you think the rest of the state
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know that? And who do you think the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the state thinks David Crowley's going to look out
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  Speaker 2: for if he wins. Do you think David Crowley's going
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  Speaker 2: to be concerned about fishing in northern Wisconsin? Or is
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  Speaker 2: he going to be concerned about perpetuating the welfare state
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  Speaker 2: of Milwaukee and sending money to bailout Milwaukee County, which
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  Speaker 2: has a curable budget because of defensial problems, bail out
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  Speaker 2: the City of Milwaukee, bail out the Milwaukee public school
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  Speaker 2: system even more. Tiffany needs to tee this up and
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  Speaker 2: stay at it. People in Wisconsin do not want to
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  Speaker 2: vote for someone from Milwaukee, and if they get a
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  Speaker 2: credible contrast from someone from a part of the state
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  Speaker 2: that everyone likes, that's a winning contrast. Now again, do
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  Speaker 2: I have any faith that the people handling Tiffany's campaign
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  Speaker 2: will do this? No? Maybe they will. His ads that
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  Speaker 2: I've seen so far have been pretty good. But I'll
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you, it's easy to do a positive ad,
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  Speaker 2: bring out the lines of attack, which can only start
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  Speaker 2: after you know the opponent. That's trickier and responding to
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  Speaker 2: the sliming that they're going to do with Tiffany. That's
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  Speaker 2: tricky as well, my big knock on Republican strategists that
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  Speaker 2: have work in Wisconsin is none of them hit hard enough. Ever, ever, ever, ever.
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  Speaker 2: They don't hit hard enough. They sit back and they
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  Speaker 2: take it all these state Supreme court elections in which
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  Speaker 2: the conservative candidate was pounded and pounded and pounded, and
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  Speaker 2: then winds after the election about how unfair the other
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  Speaker 2: candidate ran rather than play the same degree of hardball.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest problem that there exists. I'm going on and
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: on this topic. We need to end the podcast, but
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  Speaker 2: I'll make this point quickly. The biggest problem with these consultancies.
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  Speaker 2: They are generic. The campaign they run in Wisconsin is
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  Speaker 2: the same campaign that they run in Virginia, which is
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: the same campaign that they run in North Carolina. They'll
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  Speaker 2: come up and do focus groups and national type stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and then take the candidate and fit them into the
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  Speaker 2: cookie cutter mold that they've already created. You look at
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: some of these ads and then you see an added
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  Speaker 2: in another state, and it's almost the same ad. There
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  Speaker 2: also seems to be no particular punishment for losing again
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  Speaker 2: and again and again and again and again. I am
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  Speaker 2: certainly hoping that the Republican Party of Wisconsin be used
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  Speaker 2: for only one purpose here, and that is fundraise, fundraise, fundraise, fundraise,
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  Speaker 2: to help out Tiffany and to whatever extent it can
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  Speaker 2: deliver voter mobilization. Unfortunately, Turning Point has lost steam after
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: the passing of Charlie Kirkhan. I don't know if we
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: can count on them coming into the state of Wisconsin
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: and do the remarkable voter turnout work that they and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk did in the twenty twenty four election for Trump.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of strategizing, Tiffany needs to pay zero
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  Speaker 2: attention to anybody involved in running the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: And as they say, I hope he has good political consultants.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them are okay, some of them are okay,
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  Speaker 2: most who run Republican campaigns are not. You can't be
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: a one note singer. But this theme that I've mentioned here,
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  Speaker 2: stressing where you're from and making everyone clear to everyone
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  Speaker 2: where Crowley is from is a winning contrast. That's it
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  Speaker 2: for today's podcast. We'll release another one Monday of next week.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to you then bye.
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