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Ep. 258 ~ More Than a Fuzzy Picture w/ Bart Kamp · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Remember like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell, they actually devoted the show what was
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  it called The Lives of Part Right show. Yeah, what an embarrassment.
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  dig no good. What's up everybody? Welcome to the show. This is
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  it. Thank me later. Peace. What's up everybody, and welcome to
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  the show. Lets such a boy the triple be Big Bad Bob with you
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  otherwise I was Rob Clark and it is almost the sixtieth anniversary of the JFK
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  assassination. And joining me today here is a very special guest. He's a
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  friend of the show, a friend of mine, a total of large bags
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  of paper and now I can call him an author, he noted the author
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  Mark Camp returns to the show. What's up Bart? Really good, Rob,
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  Glad we can chat again. Always good fun. It's been for the
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  last I don't know, seven eight years something like that, twenty sixteen maybe,
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  yeah, yes, so yeah, it's been a while, always good
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  fun. And yeah, now this whole author thing, I haven't planned on
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  it at all. Well, last year in June got to thank Malcolm Blant
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  for this because you told me to do book. You should do a book,
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  and I was like, why, oh too, this is too good.
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  You got to do a book. And I was like God, and
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  I just only finished the papers like a week or two before, and I
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  was like, well, I'm bored with this. I want to take a
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  break. Well, fat chance. I took a break maybe for about two
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  months, and then I had to look into the fingerprints and then I had
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  to look into the lineups more, and I had to look up in the
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  psych report as well, and you know, bits and bobs every time.
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  It's like when I think I'm done, there's something else coming around the corner
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  and going now listen, if you do that, you've got to make sure
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  you've got to do that as well. And I was like, that's basically
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  the punishment for going into into a chronology mode with this book. You know,
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  you can't just lead things out. I did managed to leave things out
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  because that was for me, what's the Merit is more like, well,
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  where was Oswald at that time and how did that develop? And especially during
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  his interrogations as such, I never thought for a minute like, oh,
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  I'm going to put this in fine detail together. Every six months or so
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  there was something new coming or I found more material, and especially in the
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  Blonde Archives, which well I started with that late twenty eighteen or five years
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  ago. First with Harry Livingston's stuff, I did like October till January,
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  and then all of a sudden I started looking at Malcolm's material and every realized,
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  like, he's got stuff that no one else has had or had access
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  to. And you know, he's been the guy who's been at the archives
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  several times for prolonged periods. So I thought, okay, the problem was
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  that because it was so disorganized, started to go through everything. Yeah,
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  it was a lot of work. You cut out a lot of fluff.
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  I mean, otherwise it would have been, you know, a thousand and
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  two thousand page book. Ah. Yes, Well, when the when I
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  did the papers, I think it came. When I did the papers,
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  I used the media and the documentation as well, so when I said something,
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  it was right there, and that's the format I really liked. I
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  didn't I volted against doing the book because the footnotes are pet yeah, but
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  the pet hey it was a pet hey for me going backwards and forwards in
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  the book. Yeah, I did. When I read Jim Douglas's book,
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  you know, it was twelve on or something pages, and it's already a
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  bossard to read that book with one hand while you're lay in bed. It's
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  too heavy for your wrist. And then you keep going backwards and forwards to
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  the sources. And I was like, and there's got to be a better
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  way than dealing with this malakey. So so then I just basically stuck all
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  the documentation in and then I started linking to it because the ebook, when
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  it became an e book, I was like, well, I'm not going
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  to do all the documentations, et cetera, because it turns into a huge
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  book, So why don't I just link everything to it? So that was
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  another job in a half because there's a more than twelve ondred links in there
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  to either my website or the documentation or video you know, pictures as such.
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  So there's a lot of work. And then for the print version,
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  I had to take them all out again. And then I had to and
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  instead of doing the usual traditional route of putting footnotes in. I basically numbered
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  everything with a link to my website called the book, and just go there.
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  And there's four chapters and each chapter is basically related to the content and
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  the numbers. Of course, that's a great way to do it, you
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  know. Yeah. I spoke to a few people and they all said,
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  oh, that's a great idea, and I'm going, yeah, well,
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  you know what, these days, everyone's got a tablet or a laptop besides
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  reading a book, or have their phone, So if they want to check
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  something out quickly, they can just do that and keep that keep that page
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  bookmarked, and every time they want to see the number, all they have
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  to do is click on the link and it will take you to that particular
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  document as such. Exactly. I didn't think it was rocket science, but
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  I thought at the same time, I was like, not many people do
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  this, and I think this could work well, especially because that's what the
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  book is based on the evidence. And you know, I didn't. I
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  didn't put this book together the way I wanted it to put together, like,
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  oh no, this is how it needs to be. Well, maybe
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  some elements, but overall, the story is basically being made by the material
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  the evidence as such, photos, documents. Yeah, that's pretty bad.
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  This year part we were both presenting at Lancer virtually, what is your presentation
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  going to be about this year Lancer? Prayer Man only prayer Man. I'm
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  going to talk about so the people that were on the steps, what happened
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  with these people, what they did, the difference between the Vikman and the
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  Dynall film, what prayer Man looks like, what he does, the history
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  of it, because there's a massive gap for decades in between the whole thing.
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  First when it was it was back Investigating sixty eight. Yeah, Richard
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  Eastbreak, Richard Burnaby, Howard Roffman, and Howld Weisberg. Those four swapped
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  letters and basically discussed a lot and then also sudden started talking about the and
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  in the shadow. But but you know that that, I mean, I
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  like that title better than prayer Man. But no, it was Sean Murphy
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  actually who did it? Who came up with that name back in nine I
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  think all Stan Dane's books called that's called prayer Man. It's a long title.
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  Now something about now you've caught me off, god, uh something in
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  the light. Let's have a quick look. Let's just have a sneaky look.
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  I have it on kindle. I'll look and you look too. We'll
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  see your friends at first. There we go out of the shadows and into
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  the light. That's it. Out of the shadows, into the light,
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  prayer man. Yeah, Stan, I mean when I met up with the
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  RKC Boys back in late twenty fourteen early twenty fifteen and became part of the
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  Trusted group, and then basically Stan said, oh, I'm going to do
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  a book about this whole thing. And I was like, oh, I
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  was thinking of doing the same thing. But then when Stan said, well,
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  I'm going to basically focus on that threat at the education for him started
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  by Bill Kelly Oswald leaving the TESBD, I knew right away there and then
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  that my book was going to be different. So I was worried about it.
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  But I also knew, like, oh, well, you know what,
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  if I'm going to do something, then I'm going to dig into the
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  past of it. Four people started actually paying attention to it in those last
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  in those first few years of the teens twenty twenty ten to twenty thirteen,
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  twenty fourteen. Yeah, and then I've looked into the pass so I found
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  out about Richard Bernabyt and Richard D. Spray, and then from there on
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  I started looking into all the people and then you know, started talking with
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  people like Linda Giovanna Zambanini with Regard's recognition of people because she was very good
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  at that. She she told all these high school yearbook sites for people and
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  then managed to find their high school year a yearbook photo. So that helped
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  a lot with identifying people, and it just started to lead his life because
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  when I did the movie, the first movie I did on YouTube back in
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  twenty fifteen, which is still running and yes, eight years old. Yeah,
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  that was the first time, and then I thought, oh, you
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  know what, I need to write this down. And then I realized,
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  like, well, and I was going to do four movies, and then
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  I stepped up the whole movie thing at this point at that time and started
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  to write it all down. And when I did the papers, the papers
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  took much longer because I started with the first one, the second flow Unswumanana
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  one twenty sixteen and the late twenty sixteen Christmas. I already started putting the
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  first words down on the Interrogations one, but I never expected the Interrogations one
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  took me like three to four years to finally finish it to a level where
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  yeah, this is pretty much it. But then at the same time it's
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  also big and the interrogation intro, so yeah, there's a lot of new
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  info. And also from there, of the three chapters in the book,
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  that is the biggest chapter, I think it's bigger than the other the first
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  two combined because there's so much info in it. As such, it's just
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  unreal. I mean that is mainly due to Malcolm Blonzar. Guys, Yeah,
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  me asked you about let me ask you Abousance. We mentioned it briefly,
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  os Wald lee in the school book Depository. Now it's it's it's crazy
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  to me that of all video and photos we have it that day and on
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  that time, nobody caught Oswald leaving the building. And I know, and
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  I know what Fraser says, and I know, what would you say in
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  the book that he was one of the first ones to leave. Yeah,
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  if you can get into that just a little bit and kind of clarify why
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  why you think Oswald was one of the first ones to get the hell out
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  of there. Okay, So the Warrant Commission basically puts the story together that
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  Oswald was encountered in the second floor launch room and then makes his way through
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  the offices, down the stairs, going to the front, and then leave
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  the front. Well, there's some massive problem with that because nobody saw him
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  leaving. Nobody sees him. It's guzzling that coke down before he leaves,
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  Nobody sees him getting his jacket and then leave and so forth, the whole
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  warn commission that he saw him. Did Fraser tell yeah, I saw him
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  leave somewhere else from the back, as far as he told him, from
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  the back to the warrant, he left, Yeah, he left from the
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  back, if I'm not mistaken. But the thing was that even if he
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  were that so, nobody saw him. And at the front, what did
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  you do with the coke? And then, of course deeper investigation, I
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  come to the conclusion with quite an amount of evidence to show that the second
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  floor Lundsonman counter never happened, not after the shooting. If Oswald went for
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  lunch, that was about twelve o'clock, half an hour before the limo came
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  past. And people used to go to that floor to grab a drink from
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  the machine because and we're not allowed to sit down there. The workers.
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  That's another thing. It's like, oh, some of the people even upset
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  there for the sixth floor museum interviews. Oh I saw him sitting there.
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  It's impossible because the second floor lunch room was off limits to workers because they
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  had their own little room in the back on the first law. This is
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  called the Domino Room. They were there to get a coke and then they
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  had to get out. Frasier as well as said on a different occasion that
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  Shelley gave them permission to check out the pretty girls upstairs. Otherwise they were
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  not allowed to go up there. And royaldwod Lewis has said this as well,
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  so that it wasn't that because we were black. It was just like
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  we were not allowed to be there. And you know what, it's officers,
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  second floorce all officers. So unless you have business there, you're not
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  supposed to be there. And that's what Marion Baker said as well in his
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  Warrant Commission testimony. He said he had no business being there. And how
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  do you know that? You only know that because somebody from the Texas school
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  Book composed he told you as such. Right, That's why I'm there.
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  Was a class divide in some way because accountants and managers they wearing jackets and
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  shirts, and the people that worked downstairs, the laborers, or wearing T
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  shirts and jackets like, but not like a jacket as a sports jacket or
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  a suit jacket now just like a shirt or an oversized shirt like also it
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  would be wearing and the people would and the people that would be hauling books
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  and stuff like that would of course take that off and just work in a
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  T shirt as such. And you still have that in these days. There's
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  big companies where workers eat separate from office staff and the directorate. That's just
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  I mean, I'm not a fan of it. These guys, these guys
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  would collect books from all over the TSBD, Right, they'd go all their
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  orders and bring them back down to the first floor, which was considered the
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  shipping department, right, yeah, and have their orders checked and then they
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  would be packaged for shipment. I'm guessing right, all on the first floor.
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  Yeah, they'd be wrapping. There's some pictures that the you want to
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  check out the pictures at the portal to the Texas History at the University of
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  North Texas. And they got a whole bunch of pictures made by the Warrant
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  Commission. These are like shot them five five by four inch camera. Hard
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  to put those damn pictures in the context without like a full picture of the
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  room. You know, it's like a close up of a wrapping table.
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  Ever, what the fuck is I mean, I had to look at it
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  all up because they make it sound like it's a massive place. But how
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  much is it? How big is that building? Ninety feet square? Yeah,
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  thirty meters square. And in the back was basically you know, they
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  had these long tables where they had a coffee making equipment as well. But
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  at the same time they had a roll of paper hung up by a string
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  and a ball of string, and that's basically how they used to wrap all
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  the books together to be shipped out as such. So there are pictures of
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  that. But overall the room itself, the expedition area is small. I
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  mean ninety feet was that including a front section including offices, you know,
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  so it's not very big place. And especially when it comes to the timing
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  of the so called second floor lunching encounter. You know, you walk through
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  that building well within ten seconds, you know, diagonally, even even less
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  than that, right, so we're trying to establish that Oswald was on the
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  first floor and not the second floor. So when we give it into stuff
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  like this, and I was rereading some parts of your book that you were
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  nice enough to send me rattis uh, which I do appreciate. Thank you
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  very much. Welcome, you deserve it. Uh. I did put you
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  on the map, you know, I mean, let's be honest, I'm
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  joking. Uh, it was your video that puts your that puts you on
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  the map, because I think that's what drew my attention to you to begin
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  with, to even reach out to you and say, hey, man,
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  let's talk. But back to the first when established it, Yeah, Oswald
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  was on the first floor, which makes sense if he was eating in the
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  Domino room and then he stepped outside about you know, behind everybody and really
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  wasn't noticed. If you if you think their attention is focused on the parade
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  that's coming, you know, yeah, well if you think about, like,
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  what are the observations of others about Oswald? So so first of all,
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  it was on the first floor inside at the time. Let's listen,
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  sir Troy West, Eddie Piper, right, yeah, is that it?
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  Eddie Piper and the other two guys that were supposed to be on yeah,
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  on the first floor, they were. They were. And then basically,
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  technically you can also say this about the people that were standing on the landing
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  of the Texas school Book Proposity off the front steps, because the front steps
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  are, uh you ground level. Yeah, you've got the ground level and
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  if you go up the steps, you are already on the first floor.
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  So there's no real ground floor inside the building of the Texas school Book Propository.
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  So the people are standing on the landing. So that's Joe Molina and
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  Bill Shelley and Neil Frasier and Roy with Lewis, they were all on the
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  first floor as well. But be it inside the building at the time of
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  the assassination. We just have Troy West and Eddie Piper right inside the building.
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  Yeah, and what do they say because they were in the best possible
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  position to see Oswald come through the first floor and then step outside. Right
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  now, what was was Troy West also black? I know what he Piper
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  was, So Troy West was black as well. Yes, Troy West,
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  if you read his Warren commissioned testimony, is somebody who doesn't want to be
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  involved at all. And well, that's why I asked the question because a
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  lot of these a lot of these black guys, they did not want to
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  help. And I understand why they didn't want to be involved in any of
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  this shit, you know what I mean? So white man reason, I
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  was clarifying, why, you know, if these guys you know, I
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  didn't see nothing, I don't know nothing, you know type of thing.
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  Yeah, that's exactly Toy West. That's exactly Toy West. Eddie Piper tried
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  to do his best as well, but Eddie Piper basically got dragged in again
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  because he had to confirm that he saw truly, and then even then he
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  couldn't say like, well with the helmet of the officer, Oh, he
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  couldn't say that, so you know, they tried to make him say it.
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  And then the funny part of that one is basically when they said,
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  well, why is Oswalt and he says, and that's the first time they
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  only made mention of it, because in this affidavit he says like, yeah,
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  he said like yeah, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go up. But
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  in this during his Warring Commission testimony, he says going up or out,
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  never mentioned going out ever before. Some people say that means nothing. I'm
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  going to the fact that that he says that, and the fact that he
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  was under pressure and then all of a sudden started saying that two, which
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  of course wasn't part of the plan. It's amazing to you that a lot
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  of these people didn't even see Marian Baker come into the building. No,
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  exactly exactly the Molina did not. Joe Molina actually said in his in his
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  second affidavi taken on the twenty thirty, said that truly didn't even go up
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  up. He stayed. He's downstairs, right on the first floor. Yeah,
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  that that basically means like a total kill for any second floor lunchomen counter.
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  I mean, there are too many pointers from even from a physical point
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  of view, that that that event never happened, that Oswald actually gave him
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  the idea, and that they then basically massaged it and sexed it up and
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  changed it around and made it look like he met them there while coming from
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  the sixth floor as such. Yeah, I mean it duty kills me and
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  I think about this often that you know, had the Dallas police just done
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  one thing differently, this whole story changes, you know if you have them,
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  because there were several officers, you know, stationed right across the street,
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  you know, like Roe Smith, you have Marion Baker. I mean,
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  he could have just said, hey, no, I think the shots
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  came from this building, go around, catch the back entrance, stand still,
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  don't let anybody out of the building. And if Marion Baker was on
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  the front and he know anybody enter out, wait, this would be a
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  whole different story. Bart. You know what if only they basically checked the
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  battle that was left on the steps, and that's been photographed about five or
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  six times by William Allen. It's the Dallas Times, Harold. People are
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  walking up the stairs and standing on the stairs, and that stupid ball is
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  still standing. Then I'm going if you take fingerprints off that ball, I
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  bet your tender one also those fingerprints are on that Yeah. If anybody has
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  never seen the William Allen photographs, I would highly recommend going and checking them
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  out because there are some really really good ones in the series. And he
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  took about what fifty or sixty photos that have access to today been most helpful
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  in those pictures, especially with recognizing people the Texas School Oppository workers office and
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  management and for laborers as such. Yeah, so let's let's move up to
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  the let's see fit floor, because this is something that's always confused the hell
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  out of me, and I've done several shows about it, and I've tried
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  and tried to figure out what am hell is going on on the fifth floor,
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  because you have three the three black guys are there, right, and
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  then Charles Boardy also puts himself at the time of the shooting on the fifth
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  floor, but yet he doesn't see them and they don't see him, and
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  I just don't understand how that's possible. Well, because from the Warran commissioned
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  photos, it looks like there's not a whole lot of ship on the fifth
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  floor, Like it looks wide open. That's you know, it's wide open.
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  So for that, it's you're right to question that there's a problem with
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  Jack Dahkerty left right and center. Even with the interview he did afterwards as
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  well in the early seventies, this guy's retarded and yeah, yeah, it's
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  hard, but it's like he was. It was. It's either he was
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  it's totally true, or it's on the other hand, it's he's a really
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  smart cookie and he really knows the way to waste to deceive everyone. And
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  I find it really funny that a he's regardless, dumb and retarded, but
• 28:07
  at the same time he had the responsibility to check out fire sprinkling gear.
• 28:14
  Answer for the first thing, Yeah, yeah, when Joe Milina opened the
• 28:19
  door up, he he was going in and did all the bits and bobs
• 28:22
  that needed to be done to have the building going, basically so that when
• 28:27
  the rest of the employees came an hour later, everything was ready to go.
• 28:33
  Yeah, because he's one of the guys that said, you know,
• 28:34
  he saw Oswell come to work that morning and he did not have anything in
• 28:37
  his hands exactly, which is interesting. That's yeah, more than interesting because
• 28:44
  that basically nullifies the bag with the rifle in it, the bag that was
• 28:49
  cupped in his hand. I tried it with the rifle. Gris had a
• 28:56
  man look at carcano. We took it apart, and I had the woodstock,
• 29:02
  and I tried to do it, put it underneath, cup it underneath
• 29:06
  in my hand and underneath my arm pit. And it's impossible. Now,
• 29:08
  I'm a tall fellow. I'm six five, okay, so it should have
• 29:12
  been easier with me than it would be somebody who's five to nine. So
• 29:19
  you know, I just the second he said that, I was like,
• 29:22
  well, there's no rifle in there, you know, and if he cupped
• 29:26
  it then it must have been curtain rods, right, Never there was a
• 29:30
  rifle in there. But you know, that's that's But that whole thing is
• 29:34
  a non issue for me anyway, because in the book, by putting it
• 29:40
  into chronological order, I've come to the conclusion, and that was one of
• 29:44
  the last conclusions that I actually did, is that after Oswalt's press conference,
• 29:52
  he is being processed, so to speak, because nobody had done that yet.
• 29:56
  So they take his pictures and they take it another set of palm prints
• 30:00
  and fingerprints, because the palm prints and the fingerprints they did one before have
• 30:06
  already been given to the FBI at that time when Oswald got his much shot
• 30:11
  taken, they don't have any fingerprints left or the palm print, so they've
• 30:15
  got to redo them, and they redo that at about one point thirty in
• 30:19
  the morning. The high deel idea, I explained that in fine detail doesn't
• 30:26
  really exist, and I mean the ideal idea as it being a card that
• 30:30
  was part of his wallet. The next day there is a card, but
• 30:34
  doing on the twenty second, nobody has seen this card. So then comes
• 30:42
  the fact on top of that, the high Dell order for the rifle wasn't
• 30:48
  found until about seven o'clock or seven point thirty in the morning on the twenty
• 30:52
  third, on the Saturday. On the twenty second, there's absolutely zero connection.
• 30:59
  The fingerprints are smudged on the trigger. God, the pomp print was
• 31:03
  no pomp print underneath the barrel until a few days later. Then it was
• 31:08
  there. The fingerprints and the pumpings were taken away. So at that point,
• 31:14
  after taking all the things, and the fact that Marine Oswald didn't recognize
• 31:18
  the rifle either at eight o'clock, they had nothing to connect him with the
• 31:23
  rifle at that point when they arranged him, he cleaned the president. He
• 31:30
  didn't order a riot, or he didn't own a rifle, or he didn't
• 31:33
  known a handgun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which all true, you
• 31:37
  know, because I think, and it's something I didn't realize before reading your
• 31:42
  book. I saw in there that he actually claimed that that the gun was
• 31:48
  planted on him or thrown at him in the theater or something. But you
• 31:56
  know, he didn't. He didn't take any pistol there, did Did I
• 32:00
  get that right? Yeah? You're breaking up a bit. There are dropouts.
• 32:08
  Oh I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Yeah? I can.
• 32:12
  But every five or ten seconds you drop out for a second or two,
• 32:15
  so it's hard to Might be an ice on my balls, you know,
• 32:20
  makes me drop out here here and there. That what I was saying.
• 32:25
  You know. Oswald said that he didn't know an a rifle and he
• 32:29
  didn't own a pistol, and that the pistol was planning it on him in
• 32:31
  the theater or it was kind of tossed at him or something. Yeah,
• 32:37
  that's true, because he said that to God's rose, that the gun was
• 32:42
  tossed at him. And George Applin, who was in the Texas theater when
• 32:45
  it happens, set the same thing. He said he saw the gun,
• 32:49
  uh and a police officers had and then all of a sudden it was like
• 32:52
  being taken away from Oswald. As such, it didn't make any sense,
• 32:55
  and he said they threw the gun at him, making looking like the bullets
• 33:00
  that were found in his pocket. That's even worse. That's worse. Yeah,
• 33:07
  Well, because it was frisked twice, once in the car and once
• 33:10
  when he's dropped off at the and in the in the city Hall building on
• 33:15
  the third floor, and then an hour and a half after they frisked him
• 33:22
  again for the third time, and that's when they find a bus ticket.
• 33:25
  Then they find the five bullets, And I was like, yeah, right,
• 33:30
  So, either those two guys in the beginning, Bentley and Truman and
• 33:35
  Charles Truman Walker, Paul Bentley and Charles Truman and Walker did an absolute shoddy
• 33:39
  job, which I doubt, or the bullets and the bus ticket are inserted.
• 33:49
  If that's the case, then the bus ride is a fugazy from the
• 33:52
  word get go, which there are many other pointers already for that being told
• 33:59
  to make beliefs. So and then of course the gun has been thrown at
• 34:05
  him as well. So you know, I know Oswald was a no ball
• 34:08
  and him leaving so quick was also a real dumb move. But at the
• 34:14
  same time, you know, they could have done it with anyone. But
• 34:20
  I mean, this whole thing could have been different if Oswald would have just
• 34:24
  stayed in the building with everybody else too. I mean, I mean this
• 34:28
  whole suspicious about it. Who goes to the cinema after the president has been
• 34:34
  murdered animal. I know he wasn't just a social animal, but he didn't
• 34:42
  even bother to call home, to call his wife and say, did you
• 34:45
  hear what happened? It was right in front of a building, etcetera,
• 34:47
  etcetera. No, I'm gonna go watch a couple of more movies. War
• 34:52
  movies? Was it War as Hell? And the other one like h yeah,
• 35:00
  So it doesn't make It just goes against common sense to do that.
• 35:06
  Was Marina? Was Marina at home? Or Marina and Ruth home? Were
• 35:09
  they home at the time, because I thought they had been out? Yeah,
• 35:15
  they call and nobody was there. They were out in the morning,
• 35:21
  and then they were back and they were there. The police was really damn
• 35:25
  quick. Well that's another thing. Look and three o'clock, I think police.
• 35:34
  Yeah, how these police got to the rooming house on Beckley so quick?
• 35:39
  According to Early Roberts. According to Miss the Day C. Johnson,
• 35:44
  you know, the cops in the FBI were there like one thirty before he's
• 35:49
  even arrested at this at the theater. You know, like that's impossible.
• 35:54
  Yeah, and even even if I mean, did Oswald tell them? Well,
• 36:00
  according to the interrogation notes anyway, But did Oswald tell them at any
• 36:06
  time there on Friday after he was arrested that you know he was staying at
• 36:09
  North Beckley to get police there that quickly, because I know they didn't have
• 36:16
  a search warrant until like four or five o'clock exactly. Do you know what?
• 36:22
  Beckley is really mysterious and there are some serious gaps in them, and
• 36:30
  I never really I mean, I've only read a few bits. The only
• 36:32
  thing that I just didn't buy was the gun being there. Because that room,
• 36:38
  which is Room zero, which is right there, the communal room,
• 36:43
  a really thin door. The door was never locked. Kids were playing there,
• 36:51
  The landladies were nosy, so they would go through things. And they
• 36:58
  said, as well, there's no away that would have been a gun in
• 37:01
  that room. We would have known, That's what they said. They completely
• 37:07
  dissolved that. Yeah, didn't they say they found the holster for this gun
• 37:12
  later in Beckley? I'm sorry I didn't get that. You broke up again,
• 37:20
  Oh the holster? Didn't they say they found the holster for this gun
• 37:27
  was hanging off the door knough and then and they just went, no way,
• 37:30
  that's so bent it's so bent it's not funny anymore. I'll just hanging
• 37:39
  here. I won't be back. The whole story stinks from top to bottom,
• 37:47
  because you know that's me at lad and I always said that from the
• 37:53
  It's like, is there actually anything besides Kennedy getting shot and connally wounded?
• 37:59
  Is there anything that isn't true or that that that that's actually true? Because
• 38:05
  there is the problem. Is it because it was a setup? Or is
• 38:08
  it because every the investigation was so fucked up and shoddy from the beginning,
• 38:16
  Like is it that or is it case of you know, somebody setting this
• 38:23
  guy up. That's that's the thing because when if you think it's okay when
• 38:27
  they're setting this guy up, and then there's there's that agrees that that agrees
• 38:35
  with you, part of mind that will agree with you. But I think
• 38:37
  also there's a massive part of like, uh, senior people set things in
• 38:44
  motion and everybody else follows the orders. That's that. Yeah, that's why
• 38:52
  and all that jazz. Right. Well, if you look at Dad Whover,
• 38:55
  for instance, you know he was calling RFK at three o'clock already.
• 39:00
  Oh I think Oswald did it. I mean, he hasn't even been interrogated
• 39:07
  by the FBI, because they don't walk walts in until quarter past three.
• 39:10
  But at three o'clock he already sends a document out saying yeah, he did
• 39:15
  it. And then now right, I was just wondering if it's Uber had
• 39:23
  even talked to Hosty. No, because because Hosty didn't arrive until four to
• 39:32
  three ish, and then at three point fifteen him and James book Out walked
• 39:37
  into the interrogation room. And at four o'clock you've got Clyde Tolsen writing a
• 39:45
  memo about Katzenbach who wants to tribe describe guilt to Oswald. At that point,
• 39:58
  that was four o'clock that and it was like, wow, they haven't
• 40:02
  even walked out of the room yet, because Oswald came out between four and
• 40:07
  five past four to be taken down for the lineup with Helen Markham, and
• 40:13
  just before that he gets frisked by Void and sims as such that whole thing.
• 40:24
  Yeah, I mean, what happens in that first interrogation is the most
• 40:29
  pivotal interrogation because they destroy everything. They all are complicit, and then afterwards
• 40:36
  when the Secret Service comes in, they're all busy destroying Oswald you know,
• 40:42
  Yeah, it's terrible what happened to that guy, But that's how it went.
• 40:46
  They really destroyed his alibi. And that first in that first interrogation,
• 40:52
  if you look at the notes, the paperwork and so forth, and then
• 40:54
  the one ae that James brook Out does, because you know, the the
• 41:00
  notes, the handwritten notes during that interrogation, James Hosty is the only one
• 41:07
  who did took notes and during that particular interrogation. Now there are Fritz notes
• 41:13
  as well, but the Fritz notes and tempering, yeah, they were done
• 41:17
  after the fact. Yeah, that's correct. Whereas host he took first,
• 41:22
  he took notes with his flip book, you know the ones that you have
• 41:25
  inside your inside jacket pocket to take out and to take notes. That's where
• 41:32
  he took bits down. And then after that, after the interrogation, he
• 41:37
  went into the other room, Walter Potter's room, and basically started writing down
• 41:43
  the phone numbers and so forth that were in his address book and started writing
• 41:50
  down the evidence. As such, there's no high deel I'd mentioned whatsoever.
• 41:53
  I mean, anyone with an iota of common sense, if there is a
• 41:59
  second idea of that different name, you'd think that of all the four interrogations
• 42:02
  that happened that on the twenty second right from the afternoon till late in the
• 42:07
  evening, somebody would have mentioned, yo, man, what's going on?
• 42:10
  What's fifty name? But it doesn't get brought up till eleven thirty the next
• 42:15
  morning at the end of the fifth interrogation. It's a complete joke. So
• 42:23
  but that's how it went. Did you get a chance to check out that
• 42:29
  special that's been on that geo called THEFK One Day in America? There's this
• 42:37
  I saw one that was yesterday that was on Channel four. I wasn't too
• 42:44
  enamored about it. Yeah, I was watching. Uh, I was watching.
• 42:52
  I was watching it and there's a lot of footage. Now I don't
• 42:54
  ever remember seeing the Actually this is the Rob Ryan Uh, I don't know.
• 43:04
  I don't think so, Okay, it's just called One Day in America.
• 43:08
  It's a three part little mini series. It's on that geo for Disney.
• 43:14
  It's on Disney Plus twenty four Hours to Change the World. That's what
• 43:19
  I've watched. I haven't seen that, so, yeah, you needed to
• 43:23
  check that out because it has a it has an interview with the guy you
• 43:28
  know, you know when Oswald was at the midnight press conference and and the
• 43:31
  guys, oh, no, you have been charged. What it has an
• 43:35
  interview with that with that guy who was, yeah, I forget his name,
• 43:39
  but he's he's he's in the show, and uh, it has his
• 43:45
  story. It's it's like I said, there's a lot of stuff about the
• 43:47
  reporters and photographers and stuff that we're there in the uh in the in the
• 43:53
  police headquarters, you know at the time that Oswald was in there, and
• 43:59
  it has a whole bunch of be roll footage and all kinds of stuff that
• 44:01
  I've never seen before. Oh, that's good, and he was like yeah,
• 44:06
  he said, you know, they were asking uh Oswald these questions and
• 44:09
  and uh, somebody asked him if he'd been if he killed the president,
• 44:14
  and he said no. And I'd just been talking to a buddy of mine
• 44:17
  who was on the forest and it said they were drawn off the paperwork to
• 44:21
  charge him, and I just said, well, no, you have been
• 44:22
  charged. And he said, Now I saw the look on Oswald's face just
• 44:27
  immediately change, and it's like all the blood drained out of his body.
• 44:32
  And you know, I've got a more simplistic version for that one. Basically
• 44:37
  it starts with an f I am asked, yeah, oh god, and
• 44:44
  you just see, yeah, it's it's It doesn't really try to it doesn't
• 44:49
  really have a theory or try to prove anything. It's kind of more of
• 44:51
  like a It takes you through the timeline of events of that weekend and there's
• 44:57
  just a whole lot of stuff in there. It's the right way. It
• 45:00
  is the right way to do that, if just instead of getting emotional and
• 45:02
  opinionate. Because right when I did the editing of my book, there was
• 45:08
  about between six and ten instances where I just added commentary on top and I
• 45:14
  just went, you know what, I don't need this because anyone with half
• 45:16
  a brain will understand the evidence and when they read the evidence still go you
• 45:22
  know, they never had a chance to get out of that, and just
• 45:25
  by listing it, you know, and just trying to be as sorrow as
• 45:31
  possible with the evidence. And I was like, I don't need to add
• 45:37
  the info want And my girlfriend said the same thing, and so I said,
• 45:40
  doll and Dale, yeah we don't need it. You know, did
• 45:43
  you let the evidence do the talking? And I'm going on, yeah,
• 45:45
  go fine, then we'll stick to that, because I mean it's one of
• 45:50
  my pet hates. Authors with opinions just gone, well, I believe,
• 45:54
  and I think that shut up, just shut up. If you don't have
• 45:59
  the evidence, you don't. If you have the evidence, you don't have
• 46:00
  to use that. It was right there, right in front of you,
• 46:04
  black and white. And that's what's great about your book. I mean,
• 46:07
  it's chock full of there's no overt bullshit commentary to go along with it.
• 46:13
  This is what we have, this is what happened, and you know,
• 46:17
  you put it together yourself, and you know you'll understand, you know why
• 46:22
  it's important. So I think you did a great job at that. Thank
• 46:27
  you. And the thing is also the nicest is dar I mean, although
• 46:30
  my girlfriend is probably a bit biased, but my brother as well. But
• 46:32
  he just went and I had a few friends and they all went, I
• 46:37
  understand that. It's not a problem. It's not. I mean, the
• 46:39
  names are and I'm going, yeah, it's like being a tutor teacher standing
• 46:45
  in front of a class and you've got to know thirty students' names. Well,
• 46:49
  this book is probably up to one hundred people's names. So and put
• 46:53
  that into perspective. I mean, that's quite a daunting and challenging task.
• 47:00
  But other than that, basically by just put it in a chronology in a
• 47:05
  way, like especially also with inside the Texas School of the poster, I
• 47:07
  just thought I'll just do it floor by floor. I mean, that's the
• 47:10
  best way of doing it. But then with the interrogations, it was just
• 47:15
  pivotal to time it as much as possible. And this is something that I
• 47:22
  didn't do until four years ago. I mean, I've been working on that
• 47:24
  paper five or six years, and I worked on it for a year and
• 47:30
  a half before I went, now, that's just rubbish. I'm going to
• 47:32
  toss it all up in the air and do it all over again. Because
• 47:36
  I had it done per individual and when I managed to pinpoint some video footage
• 47:45
  at what time it was happening, I was like, right, that's interesting.
• 47:51
  And then I found like three different copies of the same footage, you
• 47:54
  know, as such. So because there's of course there are several cameramen in
• 47:59
  that corridor, and I like, that's good, that's interesting. So you
• 48:00
  get a different angle and who's walking with whom, and this that and the
• 48:05
  other. I mean, the work that you're doing is no different than police
• 48:09
  work. You're just going through it and you just who's where's he going,
• 48:14
  where's this guy standing? And like okay, and you know, and well
• 48:17
  go okay, well this is not that too important, blah blah blah,
• 48:23
  but you know, the cameras and so forth. I found that out with
• 48:25
  the to my benefit for the fingerprints, because when the Dog and Pony show
• 48:34
  happens at nine o'clock in the evening and the Voice of Identification Bureau coming out,
• 48:42
  and there's three of them and they all take turns into showing one does
• 48:47
  one does a tin with paraffin in it and bits in it, an empty
• 48:52
  tin no less and uh, one with the palm prints, and one with
• 48:57
  the fingerprints, and you just see them just putting all the things on display.
• 49:00
  Now, the funny thing is with the you think the prints, it's
• 49:02
  that he stands in front of the fress guys, and in that little bit
• 49:07
  of footage that I got hold of thanks to Dennis Moore set, he basically
• 49:15
  takes one card from behind the other and shows a card with his right hand
• 49:20
  to a group of photographers and cameramen to his right, which I can't see,
• 49:24
  but then on the left he had the card that I knew about,
• 49:29
  and I never knew there were two cards, And all of a sudden when
• 49:30
  he did that, like a magic trick, all of a sudden, there
• 49:34
  has a second card. And I was like, ah my god, there's
• 49:36
  a second card. And then, as luck would have it, Malcolm had
• 49:40
  a newspaper article with the picture that was shot, that shot the set that
• 49:46
  was in the right hand of the police officer who's showing it to that group,
• 49:52
  of which I couldn't see what it looked like. So I was fortunate
• 49:58
  enough to see both. Now, that whole thing with the finger Princess,
• 50:01
  the whole story by itself. But the bottom line is is that they disappear,
• 50:06
  and they disappear into the archives of the FBI, and it takes,
• 50:13
  yes, some low grade paid guy in the archives to actually find them by
• 50:19
  accident at the time of the EIGHTSCA as such. But yeah, just the
• 50:24
  studying of the photos and all that, Yeah, I mean I do get
• 50:28
  a kick out of that. It's great fun, but also it can be
• 50:31
  quite monotonous. But with the fingerprints, that paid off, and that made
• 50:36
  me realize, like what the cards, those cards, the originals are nowhere
• 50:40
  to be found, nowhere, absolutely nowhere. The originals of the ones that
• 50:45
  they took in the middle of the night after Os' prespondence, they're all available.
• 50:51
  You can get them at the Texas University of North Texas. You can
• 50:54
  get them there. They're pristine, beautiful, fresh copies and fresh prints on
• 51:00
  them. But the first sets, the first two to three sets for the
• 51:05
  copies, all of them. There's nothing in this case that's actually straightforward.
• 51:14
  And but yeah, I mean, if you think about it, it's apb
• 51:20
  could be anyone, you know, thirty years old, really awsold thirty years
• 51:24
  old? Where got ten and fifty pounds? Brown hair? I mean slender?
• 51:31
  Exactly? Yeah, exactly So that and then also who gave that description?
• 51:38
  Nobody knows to this day. I mean they think like it's a sawyer
• 51:43
  and he based it on what's in the plumbers Brennan's description. Now on earth
• 51:50
  could Brandon give that description because A he's not seen looking up at all,
• 51:53
  and B how would he guess that person's height an age when he's standing behind
• 52:01
  dirty glass and there's a there's a bit that cuts off the legs, so
• 52:07
  you don't know how far it's basically, you know, how how how high
• 52:10
  up that that bit of mason where he's actually in concrete is basically bricking,
• 52:17
  is actually cutting off his length unless you yourself, Yeah yeah, unless you've
• 52:23
  been in that building and you realize that the fucking windows are like put off
• 52:28
  the floor. Yeah, you know, normally windows aren't a foot of the
• 52:32
  floor, So you knew that something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 52:38
  I think it's funny. It's all I saw, like the HSC a
• 52:43
  interview of Howard Brennan, and he pretty much told to go fuck themselves.
• 52:47
  Yeah, but Brandon didn't recognize it. He said, talk about nothing,
• 52:53
  and I'm not flying to Washington. Yeah. I mean, but but Brandon
• 53:00
  brand almost brought in by sore else in the evening, and there's no evidence
• 53:05
  of any of this lineup besides a little index card. That is all there
• 53:10
  is. They basically said, didn't recognize him. But didn't they say that
• 53:16
  that that that vague description could have come from Ronald Fisher too, and not
• 53:23
  not Brendy. I don't know. I see so many things. It just
• 53:29
  all swirls together in my brain, just one big giant melting pot, and
• 53:32
  you just go, I don't know, one of the things I wanted to
• 53:37
  get into you with, yeah, is uh in temporary interviews, uh with
• 53:44
  with with some of those outside witnesses, and like Roy Lewis, Fraser Marina,
• 53:52
  you know, I think it's you know, obviously Fraser is standing right
• 53:58
  beside prayer Man and and in that one, uh is it the Darnell clip
• 54:06
  where we see Fraser on the stairs, just standing there and then you see
• 54:08
  prayer right beside him. Yeah, and they look at each other, they
• 54:15
  interact with each other, and yet he says I don't know who that is.
• 54:19
  And Fraser says, I don't know who that is, but it's one
• 54:22
  hundred percent not Oswalt. Yeah, well ten years ago he didn't say that.
• 54:28
  Ten years ago, I just went, I don't know who that is
• 54:30
  and I and I can't see who that is the photo blah blah blah,
• 54:34
  this that and the other, and you never made mention of it. And
• 54:36
  of course prayer Man started to get more traction, especially in the last five
• 54:39
  six years, and then of course people keep asking him. Ory Lewis is
• 54:45
  better at this We well, we I'll say Edler do interviewed him. It
• 54:52
  was Larry Rivero didn't interview with him, and I absolutely hated the quality of
• 54:59
  it, and there was cuts in it and there was like that you could
• 55:01
  hear like fips and the silverware and the conversation recording was diabolical. I was
• 55:08
  absolutely, Oh my god, dude, stop this. Yeah, and so,
• 55:13
  and then I said to Ed on the while we were talking, I
• 55:15
  said, dude, look, you got to get hold of him. Let's
• 55:20
  talk to him. Well. Ed talked to him about four or five times.
• 55:22
  Twice the recording didn't work, so he managed to Yeah, that was
• 55:28
  really bad. And so we he talked to him again, and every time
• 55:36
  he's really good and saying, I don't know who that is. I don't
• 55:38
  know who's stood in front of me. He could you know what he does
• 55:40
  thet West thing a little bit more eloquently but better. I mean, I
• 55:46
  just don't buy it, you know. I mean those guys they were worked
• 55:51
  together, they stood dead together. They said that wasn't a stranger. And
• 55:55
  that's another thing. If you just go through the names, how many laborers
• 56:00
  are there? White boys? So there was Bulphraser as Billy Love, Lady
• 56:06
  Lee Oswald, and Jack Doherty and that's it. Yeah, so you've got
• 56:14
  four guys who are basically candidates for this. Well, Doherty is on the
• 56:20
  fifth floor, as he said, yeah, is too tall and skinny,
• 56:23
  and he's already in the picture and is noticed in the same standing love lady,
• 56:29
  same things also seen standing, So you only have Oswald as a candidate.
• 56:36
  And if you then look at it and go all right, and then
• 56:38
  Marina says, no, it's him, it's Lee. And we didn't when
• 56:45
  Ed called her, she volunteered it. She didn't even say like like after
• 56:49
  a question. She just went Lee. And I was like, oh really,
• 56:53
  we didn't even ask her, And you know so, and then you've
• 57:00
  got the reports of the first the first interrogation where he says that he went
• 57:04
  outside to wash the pee parade, the presidential parade, and you've read the
• 57:08
  uh Fritz notes outside with Bill Shelley. So you start looking at all these
• 57:14
  things and you go okay. So that plus just it is no stranger because
• 57:20
  they were asked as well on their oath and they didn't see a stranger.
• 57:23
  The only one that saw a stranger was Denny Archie Geesia, which was about
• 57:27
  forty five minutes before the motivator came past. There was an elderly man that
• 57:32
  wanted to use the washbob and was in a car with three elderly ladies and
• 57:37
  he saw them drive away underneath the Stevens Freeway. So it's it's really difficult.
• 57:46
  Do you know what I understand? Why these people say, well that's
• 57:50
  all number one? Why did you keep your mouth shut over sixty years?
• 57:53
  Why? Well, I was scared or I was there, so I was
• 57:58
  there. Why have I don't know how many TV trucks in your front law,
• 58:02
  on your front lawn and starting asking you questions, especially in times like
• 58:08
  this, it's not as simple anymore with just a truck and a camera.
• 58:12
  And now we talk everyone with an iPhone is a blogger or an influencer or
• 58:17
  but knows whatever. So you asked yourself, really do they need that?
• 58:23
  Do the kids need that when they go to school? Probably now too old
• 58:29
  to go to school, but the workplace and so forth. So they just
• 58:32
  say, you know what, I'm just going to keep still. I'm not
• 58:36
  going to bring him back. No one's going to bring him back. Yeah,
• 58:39
  nothing's going to change. Just leave it. Lie. Yeah, yeah,
• 58:43
  he's dead. He's been dead for years, so let's just forget about
• 58:46
  it. Blahlah blah blah. So the problems come out now Wait yeah,
• 58:52
  with Frasier even Lewis. So, I mean, if you've ever come out
• 58:54
  now and say, look, yeah I had ache Lee Oswald is standing right
• 58:59
  there on the fucking steps next to me on the film, it was him.
• 59:04
  I was scared at the time, but I'm telling you right now,
• 59:07
  that's him. One he was not on the six flour shooting. What's going
• 59:10
  to happen to them either, They're not going to be believed, They're going
• 59:15
  to be called a lot. Meant to say, why? You know why?
• 59:17
  Now now you're looking look at this, look at this Landis story?
• 59:24
  What what what change did that make? Yeah? Besides selling a few copies
• 59:30
  of what was it Esquire or was it GQ of the magazine that he was
• 59:35
  in, and uh Esquire? So so you've got like this, so just
• 59:38
  selling a few extra copies for the people that are actually interested, does anyone
• 59:43
  else give a whot mm hmm nobody else. Nobody cares, even though if
• 59:50
  if what he's saying is true, it changes the entire fucking at least established
• 1:00:00
  narrative. I always say the deck of cards false, the card yeah that
• 1:00:07
  you build that was just false. That just drops the magic. Then do
• 1:00:10
  we need to reinvestigate now you don't, you know, everyone's practically dead unless
• 1:00:15
  you want to drag Alma BOYD ninety five years old in front of a judge
• 1:00:21
  on their oath. I didn't know, blah blah blahh. I don't recall
• 1:00:27
  forty five times. I don't recall it. Just does a trump, you
• 1:00:30
  know, So what's he does? Point? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, yeah, Lavelle and what's his name? But then fifty years later
• 1:00:42
  you remember everything? Yeah, yeah, how the fuck does that make any
• 1:00:47
  sense? Yeah? I know Lavelle is uh questionable as a character. So
• 1:00:52
  it's Richard Simms, Richard sims Is testimony. It's just as an abomination because
• 1:01:00
  he just, oh, I have no recollection of that. I don't know,
• 1:01:04
  And I'm like, duo, you're in that room. He was interrogated
• 1:01:07
  as such, and Alma boy does it really well as well doing his six
• 1:01:15
  floor Museum interview when yeah, what was he like during the interrogations He just
• 1:01:20
  grimaces and goes nah, you know, And I'm like, what that's it.
• 1:01:24
  You're not going to tell him anything? So you just you know what
• 1:01:29
  to that to his dying day, He's not gonna say. Listen, he
• 1:01:32
  said he was innocent and it had nothing to do with it. Countless times,
• 1:01:37
  you know, asked for a lawyer. I don't know how many times.
• 1:01:40
  He also didn't get a phone call until twenty four hours, almost twenty
• 1:01:44
  four hours after his arrest. Twenty four hours. But what did will Fritz
• 1:01:47
  say? Ah, we were busy taking his fingerprints and pictures and stuff like
• 1:01:52
  that, and the interior of course you will, yeah, yeah, So
• 1:01:57
  had he had a lawyer, it would have gone completely different. If that
• 1:01:59
  been a lawyer that first interrogation right there, from the word get go,
• 1:02:04
  you know, they wouldn't have gotten nowhere. And that's why they basically kept
• 1:02:07
  a lawyer away from as long as possible. When the a CLU guys came
• 1:02:10
  in at eleven o'clock in the evening or eleven thirty and tried to get hold
• 1:02:15
  of him, they were also given the run arounds. And I think Oswald
• 1:02:20
  was smart enough to where he wouldn't have he wouldn't have given him ship in
• 1:02:23
  that first interrogation, you know, even like you know, I want to
• 1:02:27
  answered the questions that he wanted to answer, in that sense that you know
• 1:02:30
  he was negative about the Mexico City thing. Well, whether I don't believe
• 1:02:35
  he was there, but whether he was there or not, the whole thing
• 1:02:38
  questioning of it. Well, meanfore got there, you know, before host
• 1:02:44
  Ian book Out got there, when he was just with Fritz. And I
• 1:02:47
  don't think he gave Fritz a goddamn thing. When the FBI, I think
• 1:02:52
  he was like, oh, okay, well they know that's about you know
• 1:02:55
  that, or they you know, yeah, what will Fritz the most skilled
• 1:03:04
  interrogator blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, Well he couldn't beat him up
• 1:03:07
  because there's too many people there. So that's what they did. Man.
• 1:03:12
  So they But it's not just Dallas. I mean there's a lot of people
• 1:03:16
  think, well, you're just saying bad stuff about Dallas, and I'm going
• 1:03:21
  no, it could have happened in New York, Chicago, La, London,
• 1:03:24
  doesn't matter. The police just didn't matters like that with an interrogation.
• 1:03:29
  It just beat you for it before you had civil rights and ship. I
• 1:03:31
  mean, this is the way it went down. Yeah, exactly, they
• 1:03:37
  had the right guy. They were going to beat it out of you one
• 1:03:38
  way or the other. You know, it was just an accepted way of
• 1:03:43
  how things go back then. Yeah, and that's the problem. I mean,
• 1:03:46
  osshold had you know he was a communist defector. There's a former marine
• 1:03:54
  dishonorable discharge Tommy defector in the same building from where they thought the shots were
• 1:04:02
  fired, then close in the vicinity of where the police officers killed. He's
• 1:04:11
  brought in as a cop killer. He's not brought in as the killer of
• 1:04:15
  the president. He's brought in as a cop killer. He's branded there and
• 1:04:18
  then already that's a cop killer. Oh well, yeah, that's also what
• 1:04:23
  he works with that. Yeah, he just killed a cop. Oh yeah,
• 1:04:27
  I've only known him a little bit sporadically. He didn't talk to anyone.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, distancing, everyone's distancing. Look at Joe Molina, look at
• 1:04:36
  Bill Frasier. Yeah, I mean I would have done the same thing.
• 1:04:41
  Hey, Melina Molina was used to be a chairman of the GI Forum,
• 1:04:47
  which was the only guys from Hispanic descent who fought in the Second World and
• 1:04:54
  wanted equal burial rights compared to white people. Well, I thought, that's
• 1:04:59
  not a bad that's not an unreasonable request. But it made them look like
• 1:05:03
  a bunch of commies and they got infiltrated by commis. And so the second
• 1:05:09
  they knew about that on Molina, they tossed his house in the middle of
• 1:05:15
  the night and told him to come around the next day, and god knows
• 1:05:18
  for bid what they told him there. And then because on top of that,
• 1:05:23
  Chief Curry basically took shit on him and he lost his job a month
• 1:05:28
  later due to automization. But his coworker, Oldest Williams, was older than
• 1:05:34
  he was, and Oldest Williams could stay. Yet he got three months pay,
• 1:05:39
  three months pension pay or whatever leave pay, and another two weeks as
• 1:05:45
  a Christmas bonus, and it was like get out. They wanted to sue
• 1:05:49
  Curry as well for one hundred grand to to basically for blackening me in,
• 1:05:56
  because what happened was that the second day the name came out and worked at
• 1:06:00
  the Texas school with a POSI, customers started calling up and say, hey,
• 1:06:04
  I'm not wondering books from anyone that does co me literature and call me
• 1:06:09
  this and call me that, and blah blah blah. You know, these
• 1:06:12
  people probably some kind of Cuban, you know, pro castro Cuban exactly.
• 1:06:15
  These people are mocked. So you've got him being Hispanic. The black people
• 1:06:20
  were mocked. I mean Eddie Piper had a d UI from about twelve years
• 1:06:26
  prior, okay, twelve years. I bet he still had that brand on
• 1:06:30
  his forehead from that duy because they went after him so hot with the joint,
• 1:06:38
  you know, yeah, yeah, no was it two ounces of two
• 1:06:42
  ounces of weed? And yeah he changed his testimony for money, That's what
• 1:06:46
  Ganaway said. I was like, what, you know, what charge?
• 1:06:55
  You know, I'd love to basically read more about what it was like in
• 1:07:00
  those days. You know, there's not many around anymore that basically know what
• 1:07:05
  it was like in those days, you know, I mean the robbery and
• 1:07:10
  homicide people, the wil Fritz Gang were seen as the elite, you know,
• 1:07:14
  the old war their own hat and they were all like regardless elite people
• 1:07:20
  and they could do whatever they liked. Fritz was in his job so not
• 1:07:28
  just DPD, but being captain of robbery and Homicide for decades, and the
• 1:07:31
  second he was removed and replaced by somebody else who namely louse me, he
• 1:07:38
  pretty much quit. He went early and he went with he retired. That
• 1:07:42
  was it. I forget about it. I'm not doing this. He lost
• 1:07:45
  his power base. Such that's what let me asked you a question about Fritz.
• 1:07:51
  It was it was after I think it was after he left the TSBD.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah, before he went back to the police head to see Bill Decker,
• 1:08:04
  and he went to see him. What do you think the conversation was,
• 1:08:12
  you're asking me to speculate, yes, to throw that in and for
• 1:08:15
  this time, whoever was the suspect, he ain't going He's going down and
• 1:08:21
  he ain't coming out of it. That's basically that's what I think. I
• 1:08:26
  mean. Boyle, Yeah, Boyle and Simms were quiet about it as well,
• 1:08:36
  very quiet about it. Oh. No, I was standing outside and
• 1:08:39
  I'm thinking, no, you were, you know, like like Fritz wouldn't
• 1:08:43
  have told him on the way back to the headquarters, you know, I
• 1:08:45
  mean, it's odd to be summoned by the fucking sheriff. I'm assuming if
• 1:08:49
  you're the head of the city homicide Bureau, to be summoned by the sheriff
• 1:08:55
  and you go talk to him and you don't tell your buddies what the hell
• 1:08:59
  just happen? And on the way back, you know what I mean,
• 1:09:01
  it's enough, it's secret different enough because the it could have done it over
• 1:09:10
  phone, over the phone, just like, yeah they didn't and it's that
• 1:09:15
  big, but they just went now and I'll just go nah, sorry mate,
• 1:09:19
  but that's just off the hook, that's not right. I'm definitely smelly
• 1:09:27
  there. Well, what's next for bart camp? I mean, you got
• 1:09:33
  to start done, that's it. What's next for bart camp? You got
• 1:09:39
  the book done, marathon talk together tomorrow and uh I have already a few
• 1:09:56
  bits that i can use for updates, but I'm not going to do that
• 1:10:00
  yet. Instead, I started to look into books two and three. Even
• 1:10:08
  though it's not that obvious, but prayer Man is based on photography, and
• 1:10:14
  as a photographer, I've always had this as a hobby and I've always liked
• 1:10:16
  it. Looking at the media and so forth. There's a lot of dumb
• 1:10:24
  remarks about the media for people imagine to see what they think they see looking
• 1:10:30
  at the fifth generation copy and go, yeah, it's right there. Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  Sure. There's a serious lack of quality work on the photography and the
• 1:10:44
  films, and some of the books that were done about it are have been
• 1:10:47
  out of print for forty years, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:10:53
  like very I like trust book that's very detailed. I'm not a fan of
• 1:11:02
  glothing books. Sorry. John Woods. The third yeah, I've got his
• 1:11:09
  big, very older as well, which is really really detailed. And then
• 1:11:15
  there's of course Photographic Whitewash by Wife Bird. That's that's a decent book as
• 1:11:21
  well. A bit hard to read a flower through, but they're all good.
• 1:11:30
  But the reason why I'm actually starting to work on the photography parts more
• 1:11:35
  aimed at the photography about it is because I've got a lot of documentation from
• 1:11:42
  the Blonde archives that have kept behind that is rare. Some of it is
• 1:11:47
  so rare that there's no trace of it online whatsoever. You'd have to go
• 1:11:53
  to the archives that to get it. Then I don't know if it's available
• 1:11:57
  still. That's another thing I found out by talking to Malcolm. You don't
• 1:12:02
  even know what the hell you're looking for, you know. I mean,
• 1:12:05
  well, you need to have the riff number. So sometimes I just have
• 1:12:08
  the riff sheet. Sometimes I have the entire document and I check it and
• 1:12:13
  there's no mention of that rift number, not even in the Federal register.
• 1:12:17
  So in the end, all you get is like a calculation and end calculation
• 1:12:23
  because for those that don't know. A RIFF number is a thirteen digit number
• 1:12:27
  on a document. I think it's called record identification form if I'm not mistaken
• 1:12:34
  very familiar with wanting riff numbers on the documents talk about three numbers, five
• 1:12:42
  numbers dash five numbers, So the first three numbers actually give away what the
• 1:12:46
  agency is, so like Central Intelligence agencies one oh four fbis one two four,
• 1:12:54
  You got NARAH, You've got the DOJ, etcetera, etcetera. So
• 1:12:59
  I have started checking these riff numbers and then found out that a lot of
• 1:13:03
  Malcolm's collection is not available online. Whether that's because they've been pulled, whether
• 1:13:09
  that's because they haven't digitized the older copies that were actually freed up in the
• 1:13:15
  late nineties after the ARB and in the early noughties, or that they just
• 1:13:21
  disappear. Yeah, I think the fact that they haven't digitized them. So,
• 1:13:26
  but also there's been instances of reclassification as well. I have found about
• 1:13:32
  three or four documents in Malcolm's collection that I have been completely redacted in whites,
• 1:13:38
  whereas the pull on original as it was, it's just in the collection.
• 1:13:43
  So I mean that's a really rare case. And I said to Malcolm,
• 1:13:46
  I said, I'll tell you why that is. I said, because
• 1:13:48
  these people that do that have no affinity with the case, and they're basically
• 1:13:53
  over zealous and they just go back in and just and when they went back
• 1:13:57
  in, they just got rid of that. I mean, that's why theory.
• 1:14:02
  So with the the photography, Malcolm did some things that are really interesting
• 1:14:10
  and I'm just going to pick up from that. Don't forget Malcolm did these
• 1:14:14
  things in the late nineties, twenty five years ago. One of them is
• 1:14:19
  the Minocks camera. Oh yeah, yeah, one of them is. And
• 1:14:26
  this is really a labyrinth amaze are the evidence photos. So Bill in a
• 1:14:35
  nutshell, Bill Alexander desires to have all the evidence photographed before it goes out
• 1:14:43
  to the FBI. You see, the FBI and the Dallas Police they weren't
• 1:14:47
  really close friends, but that you know, I expressed myself, and and
• 1:14:53
  I don't think they liked being told what to do by the FBI. Yeah
• 1:14:57
  you know what did? Yeah? No, So basically there's a set of
• 1:15:01
  photos and they're taken with a record act camera and this is a camera that's
• 1:15:06
  just on a on a board with a when you said a bar where basically
• 1:15:13
  the camera is mounted on and it's it's idiot proof. It's just like load
• 1:15:17
  of film and you just transport the film and take and click. You don't
• 1:15:23
  have to do anything about exposure. This expose you that or diaphram, diagram
• 1:15:27
  and etcetera. Shut the speeds. Now, it's all like, you know,
• 1:15:30
  one click does it all. And when the FBI takes the films and
• 1:15:38
  then comes back, there's a lot missing. There are like more than fifty
• 1:15:42
  frames that are absolutely gone, disappeared, and this, of course is all.
• 1:15:47
  And you know what, the Minox is part of that as well,
• 1:15:50
  because Gus Rose finds it and the FBI go to him three times to make
• 1:15:56
  him change his testimony and he's refuses to do so. He refused to say
• 1:16:03
  that it's a light meter. And there's a photo of the Dallas police evidence
• 1:16:08
  that shows the Minox camera in it. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:16:14
  so and it was just like right, so that's that's a huge issue.
• 1:16:21
  I'm going to do something on Nicks. I'm going to do something on the
• 1:16:25
  autopsy photos. Now. The only thing that's about the autopsy photos is that
• 1:16:30
  whether it's worth a whole book or a large chapter, that just depends.
• 1:16:33
  I'm going to do something on the limo and the and the crack and the
• 1:16:36
  windscreen. The thing at the backyard photos. The thing is is that I've
• 1:16:41
  got good quality material images. So whatever whoever is going to publish my book
• 1:16:48
  will have to be able to do photography well from a reproductive reproduction side when
• 1:16:56
  it comes to the paper. If you need anything about the An T.
• 1:17:00
  Martin film, Bart, I'm your guy, right, I know every fucking
• 1:17:05
  thing possible about it. Oh yeah, I was trying to do that,
• 1:17:12
  actually, I was trying to tell somebody, you know, it was so
• 1:17:16
  we cut the We cut that segment down into fifteen minutes, and the film
• 1:17:21
  itself is just part of the story, right, And to try to try
• 1:17:29
  to, you know, get ause I could do in an hour an hour
• 1:17:34
  long show just about how Wiseberg has shown or met Martin at the University of
• 1:17:40
  Minnesota and their interactions. I mean, that's that's easy peasy. You know.
• 1:17:46
  The bitch of it is the Sixth Form Museum doesn't have the original really
• 1:17:54
  right. The date code on their film is nineteen seventy seven, which means
• 1:18:00
  somebody at the HSCA copied the film and gave Martin Becker copy and kept the
• 1:18:06
  original. Now the original is not in Nara at all, so somebody on
• 1:18:15
  the photography panel or kept the original film. So well, you can find
• 1:18:23
  that out. It's really simple. That's well. I can say that now
• 1:18:27
  because three weeks ago I came across a bunch of signing in sheets and sign
• 1:18:31
  out sheets for the HSCA. So if there's a specific thing that you want
• 1:18:36
  to take with you, you have to sign for it. So there are
• 1:18:42
  sheets for the Martin film and disapproved the film, and the Knicks film and
• 1:18:45
  so forth. They need to be interesting to know because there was only so
• 1:18:50
  many copies of the film made, like okay. He gave the FBI copy
• 1:18:55
  in December after the assassination. They returned it a month later, and he
• 1:19:00
  felt that it was edited like you know, by the FBI or was given
• 1:19:03
  back to him. And then he voluntarily sent a copy to the Garrett to
• 1:19:10
  Jim Garrison. When he heard about the Garrison investigation going on, he sent
• 1:19:13
  a copy down there in nineteen sixty seven. Now Garrison didn't see any value
• 1:19:18
  in the film, didn't really mess with it, didn't didn't send it back
• 1:19:24
  to him. Nothing. And then in sixty eight This guy in a box.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah. In sixty eight, Wiseberg and Schooner meet this guy by happenstance
• 1:19:32
  at the University of Minnesota at the talk they were given, and they got
• 1:19:38
  two copies of the film from Martin, one for Showoner, one for Wiseburg.
• 1:19:43
  And then Wiseburg left Minnesota and was actually going straight to New Orleans.
• 1:19:46
  So when he got to New Orleans, he found Garrison's copy of the Martin
• 1:19:51
  film and was, you know, inspecting it and feeling it for splices and
• 1:19:57
  anything. He didn't feel any But those are the only copies that really existed,
• 1:20:04
  you know. And then trying to track the a pre six floor version
• 1:20:11
  of this film, you know, I contacted Groden, who said that he
• 1:20:16
  got his copy he thinks from Weisberg in the early seventies, which is possible
• 1:20:25
  because I contacted Ogilvy at the Wiseberg Archives and I asked him point blank,
• 1:20:31
  I was like, you know, is this Martin film part of the collection
• 1:20:34
  at all? You know? He said, I don't see it online and
• 1:20:41
  he said, no, it's it's not part of the online collection. And
• 1:20:44
  so I asked him again, I said, well, look is it sitting
• 1:20:45
  on the shelf and a dusty ben somewhere at college in the basement. Is
• 1:20:53
  this possible? And he's he said, everything we've gone through everything, it
• 1:21:00
  is not there. It would have been cataloged if it was. He said.
• 1:21:03
  The problem is when they picked all this shit up from Wiseburg's house.
• 1:21:09
  Apparently it was left in like a card port, and a lot of things
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  were damaged due to weather before it was he got there, and some of
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  his family took some things before they got there to it as well. So
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  you know, he said, everything we got is cataloged online. So they
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  don't have a copy of the Wiseberg Martin film. So it is possible that
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  Groden got his copy from Wisburg in the early seventies. So I asked Groden,
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  well, you know, and we get a copy of of your film,
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  we'll pay to digitize it. He can't find it, so like damn
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  it. Because the sixth floor copy of the film, the one that date
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  mark nineteen seventy seven, is so dark compared to screenshots or slides if you
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  will, that were made or Wiseberg at the time of the Garrison investigation.
• 1:22:15
  Because they were looking they were trying to blow up the portion, the Oswald
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  portion of the film to try to see, you know, if they could
• 1:22:24
  see any familiar faces and a crowd and see if they could see his accomplice
• 1:22:30
  than that. But you know, the quality there is so much better than
• 1:22:34
  whatever the hell the sixth Floor has. I mean, you can tell things
• 1:22:39
  parts of the film are cropped and darkened like really badly. Yeah. So
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  we were trying to find you know, a pre nineties if you will,
• 1:22:49
  or even eighties version of the film, and we we couldn't find it.
• 1:22:54
  We talked to Schoner, he's he said he'd still had his copy of the
• 1:22:58
  film and the and the blow ups they've they've been socked away somewhere for fifty
• 1:23:04
  years and we've had him look for him. He can't find them. We're
• 1:23:10
  just a kind of a dead end with all that. But you know,
• 1:23:14
  unless because I know, uh, Kenneth zeteker Is is good friends with Groden
• 1:23:18
  and he's digitizing things. Yeah. Yeah, he's kind of letting them go
• 1:23:25
  through all his ship and and digitize a lot of stuff. So I've got
• 1:23:29
  him on the lookout, you know, and he's thought he found it a
• 1:23:31
  couple of times. And the one pip he was like a thirty five millimeter,
• 1:23:38
  but it was a thousand feet of film and to pay to get that
• 1:23:42
  digitized would have been over a grand. So but he was able to pull
• 1:23:47
  the film out enough to where he could see that the Walker part of the
• 1:23:51
  film was not on the reel. It was just the Oswalk part. And
• 1:23:55
  I was like, all right, now when I we're not We're not doing
• 1:23:57
  that. So unless it's the complete film, because of course there's there's part
• 1:24:03
  of the Walker part of the film that we think has been taken out as
• 1:24:09
  well because of descriptions that were of it, you know, pre sixth floor.
• 1:24:15
  You know, like the hole in the wall of Walker's house is not
• 1:24:18
  in the sixth floor version, but it's in the previous descriptions of the film
• 1:24:25
  from people who had seen it in the past. So little things like that,
• 1:24:29
  you know, it's just you know, you only have an hour and
• 1:24:32
  you only have a minute or two minutes to try to fit all this information
• 1:24:36
  into something. And yeah, I mean I could probably write a book on
• 1:24:41
  the goddamn Martin film just just alone. I mean, it's crazy, it's
• 1:24:45
  that much information. Well, that's the thing I've got to do with the
• 1:24:50
  Zapruda film, because that's also a part of one of the chapters in the
• 1:24:54
  next book. And I'm going, you know, you've got to basically do
• 1:25:00
  this in thirty to fifty pages. Yeah, the whole thing has got to
• 1:25:05
  be done. And that doesn't make it easy at all, because, uh,
• 1:25:13
  you know, just just putting it all together. And also because there's
• 1:25:18
  so much going on about it, you know, well yeah, even you
• 1:25:24
  know up to the up through up through the nineties and into now. There's
• 1:25:27
  so much with the story of the Subruder film alone, not not even what's
• 1:25:31
  in the film, just the story of the film, you know. Yea,
• 1:25:35
  yeah, I hear you. I totally agree. Yeah, I said
• 1:25:41
  that. Yeah, go on, Oh no, I was just going to
• 1:25:45
  wrap it up if you want to. Okay, Yeah, people a great
• 1:25:47
  direction to find all your stuff and let them know where they can buy the
• 1:25:53
  book and check out your website. Okay. So the book is called prayer
• 1:25:57
  Man More Than a Fuzzy Picture. It's available in kindle and in paperback format
• 1:26:02
  on Amazon worldwide, and if you're not a fan of Amazon, you can
• 1:26:08
  try Bonds and Noble. They do the printed version. I've got the ebook
• 1:26:16
  also out on Google Play, and it's going to be out on Apple as
• 1:26:25
  well, but I'm trying to sort that out before the end of this end
• 1:26:28
  of this coming week, and so you'll have to deal with those places.
• 1:26:36
  My website is prayer Dash or Hyphenman dot com and there's a lot of articles
• 1:26:44
  on there on that quite informative, quite a big read as well. And
• 1:26:49
  yeah, I just you know, I keep everyone posted about things as such.
• 1:26:56
  The next book, it's going to be a few years, anything between
• 1:27:00
  two to five years before I finally no, you know, I mean no
• 1:27:04
  exactly, I'm mining to watch because I'm going to I want to take a
• 1:27:06
  break as well. And I'm still gathering right now. I'm just collecting,
• 1:27:13
  collecting documents, collecting pictures, collecting videos of all the subject matters that I'm
• 1:27:18
  working on. So it's it's something I was doing in back in twenty fifteen
• 1:27:25
  for when it comes to prayer Man and everything in front of the Technas School
• 1:27:28
  of Depository and so forth. So and on top of that, this month,
• 1:27:30
  you know, there's documentaries coming out. So I watched one, the
• 1:27:34
  one from Channel four, which wasn't that great, and you know, the
• 1:27:41
  Rob Reiner thing is coming out, and then you've got the autopsy thing coming
• 1:27:46
  out as well on Paramounts that's been around for quite a few nights. Show
• 1:27:51
  that I mentioned is out. Yeah, what's that called, by the way,
• 1:27:56
  Sorry I forgot the title. It's called JFK A Day in History or
• 1:28:04
  that Day in History or One Day in America. Sorry, JFK One Day
• 1:28:11
  in America. You can find it on Disney Plus or nat GEO and there's
• 1:28:15
  three episodes. They're forty five minutes each, and uh, there's a lot
• 1:28:20
  of stuff in there that I'd never ever seen before. You know, like
• 1:28:24
  these guys like in the hallway of the police department, you know, all
• 1:28:28
  these news guys are standing around smoking cigarettes, you know, waiting just shooting
• 1:28:32
  the ship and unthinkable now, but no normal thing that this guy's like talking
• 1:28:39
  into the camera and the cops trying to push him back out of the way
• 1:28:44
  while he's you know, doing the news report and he's not moving and the
• 1:28:47
  cop keeps tapping his chest, you know, and and then finally the cops
• 1:28:51
  like you know, pushes him back out of the way basically, And it
• 1:28:57
  was kind of right before Oswald comes out of the doorway and you see all
• 1:29:00
  these guys scatter some squat down and it's it's it's crazy stuff and a lot
• 1:29:05
  of it has been colorized, which is cool. So yeah, I would
• 1:29:11
  tell you know, everybody checked that out. I haven't seen a lot of
• 1:29:13
  these other documentaries. I've seen the Rob Reiner thing or this jfp X thing
• 1:29:18
  that's been out on Amazon Prime. But very cool, Bart. I appreciate
• 1:29:26
  it as always stopping by the show. It's always fun. Yeah, Well,
• 1:29:31
  you know you're you're definitely a friend of the show and your work is
• 1:29:35
  much appreciated, and everybody needs to be checking out prayer dash Man dot com
• 1:29:41
  and going to buy the damn book prayer Man more than a Fuzzy Picture.
• 1:29:45
  My buddy, Bart camp Bart, thank you again for joining the show and
• 1:29:49
  talk soon, my friend. All right, thank you very much, Yes,
• 1:29:54
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  over this week people, peace, peace. See you see the baby in
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