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It's a bloodbath out there | Maintaining Frame 145 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian, I'm with Allison and this is maintaining frame
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  Speaker 1: number one forty five. It's a bloodbath out there where
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at a couple of viral
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  Speaker 1: videos with the fair sex doing what it do and
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  Speaker 1: everyone's scrambling to figure out like who to blame or
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  Speaker 1: what's going on or whatever it is. Yeah, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of does. It always lands on men.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like the ice reloaded.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So anyway, we're going to be going into
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  Speaker 1: that right now. This should be good. And before we
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  Speaker 1: start though, I guess Alison you have some things to thing.
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  Speaker 2: back to you, Brian, Let's get this started.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So yeah, we're gonna be looking at about
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  Speaker 1: three different videos. I thought I was ease us into
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  Speaker 1: this and you know, we'll just go with this one.
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  Speaker 1: So this these I think these are all originally on TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: but they've made their way onto X. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that this I don't know who the original poster is.
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  Speaker 1: But the person that is sharing this or shared this
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok is called at the woke mind virus that's
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  Speaker 1: showing on the screen there. But the person who shared
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  Speaker 1: that video is called concern citizen. And uh, well, let's
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  Speaker 1: just listen to the clip. I guess this came out
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  Speaker 1: of prager you originally as well.
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  Speaker 3: So today that somebody that I work with is a conservative,
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  Speaker 3: and he's somebody who's really intelligent, and he's somebody who
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  Speaker 3: works in climate tech as a super spark guy, somebody
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  Speaker 3: I would never have thought was conservative, and apparently he is.
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  Speaker 4: And it's surprising and it's disgusting. But what's most surprising.
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  Speaker 5: To me is the level of sudden hatred that I
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  Speaker 5: have for him, sudden hatred for this man who I
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  Speaker 5: used to respect suddenly just went boop, went boop, and
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  Speaker 5: I hate him.
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  Speaker 2: Now I got something for that. I actually recently just
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  Speaker 2: came across a I was looking for information into people
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  Speaker 2: being attracted to a partner that's morally they perceive to
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  Speaker 2: be more morally advanced or have a higher sense of
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  Speaker 2: morality or more developed morality, and I came across this
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  Speaker 2: paper into how people respond to those they perceive to
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  Speaker 2: have a greater morality than themselves. And the response is
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  Speaker 2: apparently resentment, attempting to belittle the moral focus that that
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  Speaker 2: person has or their intent in pursuing their particular moral framework.
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  Speaker 2: And then the final one was distancing. So it's interesting
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  Speaker 2: that that I think that you can see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that. I think there's also a tendency to deny.
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  Speaker 2: Like what we're talking about here is this woman has
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  Speaker 2: a particular moral framework, right, and she has discovered that
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  Speaker 2: a co worker buys into a different moral framework. So
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  Speaker 2: if she feels a sense of threat, she is going
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  Speaker 2: to respond in terms of resentment, in terms of distancing,
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  Speaker 2: and in terms of belittling his moral framework. That's what
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  Speaker 2: that's what this particular article, uh found out or or
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  Speaker 2: conjectured in terms of a conflict between your sense of
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  Speaker 2: morality and somebody else's. So I just I think actually
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  Speaker 2: it was also it was also contributed to by Hyatt
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  Speaker 2: h A I D.
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  Speaker 1: T Height, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 2: Height, Jonathan heyte yes, and yeah that's so. It's interesting
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  Speaker 2: to watch because when you read that paper, you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I recognize these things. And here, right here, the hatred
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  Speaker 2: that she's expressing is is probably a distancing or attempting
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  Speaker 2: to emotionally distance herself from him, But still it's a
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  Speaker 2: very strong emotion for somebody who feel is just not like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a pitiable ciner. I suppose Okay, let's.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I wanted to say, so, how does she
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  Speaker 1: because what she appears to experiencing here is cognitive dissonance.
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  Speaker 1: So she heard or learned that a guy she works
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  Speaker 1: with is conservative. She doesn't really define what that means,
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  Speaker 1: but for her and for a lot of people, for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, that term comes with a lot of baggage,
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  Speaker 1: like already assumed about someone if you say so and
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  Speaker 1: so is conservative, and the way you say it, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's a blah blah blah. That comes with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of baggage right off the bat. There's a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: presumptions that come into it, that are baked into the term.
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  Speaker 1: But then she says, I don't get it because he's
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  Speaker 1: a really smart guy that works in environmental science. So
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  Speaker 1: she believes that this person is a living contradiction because
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  Speaker 1: he is at one on one side intelligent, which apparently
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  Speaker 1: conservatives can't be, and another in another sense interested in
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  Speaker 1: climate science, which is another thing that conservatives cannot be.
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  Speaker 1: So like because of her assumptions about what that term means.
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  Speaker 1: So I, first of all, I don't know how she
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  Speaker 1: came across this information. I don't know how she defines
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  Speaker 1: that term. All I know is she has associated something
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  Speaker 1: extremely negative to the term, which is not abnormal, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of everywhere. And then to learn that this
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  Speaker 1: person who has all of the bad ideas because he
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  Speaker 1: believes all the bad things, is actually like not stupid,
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  Speaker 1: because she assumes that those people are dumb and also
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  Speaker 1: cares about the climate enough to you know, go into
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  Speaker 1: business with it, and she does, and she hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: able to square that circle. And she thinks it's because
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  Speaker 1: this person is such a radical contradiction that these two
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  Speaker 1: things couldn't possibly exist in the same person at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, and that is like she's not talking about
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  Speaker 1: that specifically in this short clip, but it seems like
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  Speaker 1: that's where her real struggle is at. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Do you follow what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And I can? I think I can. I bring a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of light to that in light of the
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  Speaker 2: of the paper that I just randomly read yesterday. Essentially
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  Speaker 2: what's happening is she's worried there's an aspect of morality
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  Speaker 2: on some level, probably more of a subconscious level. She's
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  Speaker 2: worried there's an aspect of being a moral person that
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  Speaker 2: she is unaware of. Does that make sense, Like there's
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  Speaker 2: there's something that that that her moral choices could be
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  Speaker 2: judged based on a framework that she's not aware of.
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  Speaker 2: So in order to reconcile that contradiction, she has to
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  Speaker 2: sort of belittle. But again, the contradiction remains because he
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  Speaker 2: has demonstrated that he has some of her concerns about
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  Speaker 2: climate change, although you know, there's a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 2: elements to conservation that are not in any way contradictory
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  Speaker 2: to a conservative position, but she has to reconcile the
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  Speaker 2: experience that she's had with this man as an intelligent
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  Speaker 2: man with concerns that he shares in common with her.
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  Speaker 2: And now this label, which is essentially like when you
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  Speaker 2: talk about conservative and liberal, now we're talking about moral camps.
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  Speaker 2: So she's being come face to face with the idea
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  Speaker 2: there may be an aspect of morality that she is
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  Speaker 2: unaware of and could be judged by. So it's judged
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  Speaker 2: as being morally inferior based on So she's going through
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  Speaker 2: the process of, at least according to the study that
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  Speaker 2: or the essay maybe it was more that I read,
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  Speaker 2: she's going through the process of trying to reconcile that.
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  Speaker 2: And it is interesting because she is attempting to like
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  Speaker 2: demote him in her mind in terms of his intelligence
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  Speaker 2: in order to reconcile that, I think. And again she's
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  Speaker 2: trying to emotionally distance herself from him, but it's a
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  Speaker 2: self defense mechanism basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like she's basically saying, how can this
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  Speaker 1: person hold this moral framework and be smart and care
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  Speaker 1: about the thing that I care about? Yeah, they must
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  Speaker 1: be there must be something wrong with this person like that,
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  Speaker 1: And instead of saying, well, maybe these things are not
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  Speaker 1: something that like my belief system owns the market on
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  Speaker 1: or has a monopoly on right, like like I've been
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  Speaker 1: saying for years, Like the one of the challenges that
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of liberals and leftists have is
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  Speaker 1: that they believe that their moral framework is just the
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  Speaker 1: good framework, is just being the good person and that
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  Speaker 1: believes the good things all the time, and that people
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  Speaker 1: who don't follow that are obviously the people who believe
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  Speaker 1: the bad things. And it's a really simplistic way of
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  Speaker 1: seeing the world. But the more like you just see that,
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  Speaker 1: like it's just very plain every everywhere. But what I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in is that this is a woman, so like
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that same kind of moral tribalism because
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  Speaker 1: this is the thing that I want to point out
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  Speaker 1: about this video because it's like thirty seconds. There's not
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  Speaker 1: much so you can speak to except obviously what Alison
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  Speaker 1: just talked about. But this is a woman who went
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  Speaker 1: on social media and recorded herself saying this thirty second
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  Speaker 1: message to share with the people who follow her on
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  Speaker 1: social media. So what part does that have to play?
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  Speaker 1: Like is this not I mean, yeah, it's virtue signaling
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  Speaker 1: in a way because you're just or or maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: whatever virtual signaling is like look at me, I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: the good thing. Maybe there's a version of that is
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  Speaker 1: which is look at me, I'm shaming the bad people.
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  Speaker 1: But like, she's putting it out on social media and
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  Speaker 1: she's doing this and probably gets a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: women supporting her, which is sort of the theme of
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  Speaker 1: this is that women put stuff on the Internet and
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  Speaker 1: some of it's done well, it's dumb stuff. But the
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  Speaker 1: issue is that so many other women and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of men will totally co sign on all of it,
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  Speaker 1: like oh go, you go girl, that's absolutely right whatever,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that's kind of troubling.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I think it's again it's a
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  Speaker 2: she has had the curtains parted and she's been presented
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  Speaker 2: with the possibility that her moral knowledge isn't complete. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's why she's having such a strong emotional response,
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  Speaker 2: is that she's having trouble belittling him because she knows
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  Speaker 2: he's intelligent. She's probably having trouble, well, she'll go into
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  Speaker 2: basically saying that his moral friend work is wrong. And
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  Speaker 2: then the other one was I'd have to pull it up.
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  Speaker 2: But the last one was basically just emotional distancing, which
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  Speaker 2: is what she's doing with the hatred, like the sense
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  Speaker 2: of hatred, and she's creating a barrier between herself and him.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, like a strong emotion is
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily a bad sign for let's just say certain
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  Speaker 2: other factors desire, shall we say, not that this this
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  Speaker 2: individual that she's with really should consider her, but you
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  Speaker 2: know the fact that he's presenting something outside of her
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  Speaker 2: can can itself be attractive. So her hatred may actually
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  Speaker 2: be a attempt to mask something in her, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like an actual attraction to the unknown.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that she probably did have an attraction
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  Speaker 1: to this guy and then learn this about him after
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  Speaker 1: getting is now Yeah, she probably still does. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the the truckers, you know, so rugged.
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  Speaker 2: So rugged and raw or whatever else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think she said they were rugged, the truckers. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the other thing is that she could be putting it.
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  Speaker 1: She she likely put it out on social media to
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  Speaker 1: get a kind of consensus from the people who follow
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  Speaker 1: her on social media, like they like, she's looking for
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  Speaker 1: for other followers, probably mostly women, to tell her, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I hate him too or something like that, right, just
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  Speaker 1: to affirm her prejudice, because that's ultimate ultimately what it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a prejudice. And I wonder is that like
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  Speaker 1: a thing that that is? I wonder how common that
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  Speaker 1: is in women, because they yeah, okay, the tribalism, you
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  Speaker 1: know that kind of like, I wonder how common that
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  Speaker 1: is in women to like do that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would say it's very common. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of consensus thinking. And you can see that even
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  Speaker 2: when women protest it, it's like they give the impression
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  Speaker 2: that it's how they see themselves has to be a
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  Speaker 2: reflection of how other people see them, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: really bizarre. I remember one particularly egregious example is some
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  Speaker 2: a man was saying what he wanted in women, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a supportive partner who listens and trusts and is submissive
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and explained how
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  Speaker 2: you know men are still responsible for well not still,
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  Speaker 2: but they are responsible actually in a way that is
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  Speaker 2: sort of unique in our era, but they are responsible
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  Speaker 2: for keeping our society running and all of this other jazz.
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  Speaker 2: And she basically responded with, so.
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  Speaker 6: All I am is a is a cheering squad for you.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm like, well, you could consider this is a
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  Speaker 6: thought and I didn't say.
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  Speaker 2: This, but I was looking at this when I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking it, But you could consider developing your own value
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  Speaker 2: proposition outside of what this man says he values. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean that as like a strong independent woman,
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  Speaker 2: but the point is that she is saying, you are
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  Speaker 2: the one who ascribes value to me right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, but you're not ascribing the value that I
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  Speaker 2: want you to. Well, unfortunately you don't at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day have control over that. But it's like
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  Speaker 2: this idea that her value doesn't exist outside of the
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  Speaker 2: appraisal and the opinion of others. Yet what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: m h and and I mean, they'll do things like
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  Speaker 2: they'll they'll just present things in a way that it
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  Speaker 2: really looks like something has to be signed off on
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  Speaker 2: by the committee, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's just before Oh yeah, that's right, Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically like it's essentially uh feminist academic study work
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  Speaker 1: done like on social media where they just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like you know, reference each other and they ask each
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  Speaker 1: other for affirmation and they give it to each other.
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  Speaker 1: And then they say, look, this is true because all
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  Speaker 1: of my you know, my girlfriends agree with him.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, guessing the very strong emotional reaction, seeking
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  Speaker 2: out emotional validation from her followers or her friends. This
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  Speaker 2: is all a response to the threat that this man
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  Speaker 2: poses to her sense of moral self because he is don't.
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  Speaker 1: Let me like him. He's one of them. Please help
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  Speaker 1: help me understand that he's the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: That's but the reason behind that is again the perception
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  Speaker 2: or the fear that there is a moral framework that
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  Speaker 2: you've missed in which your actions and your choices and
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  Speaker 2: how you present yourself can be judged. You get what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, And that's that's apparently one of the most
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  Speaker 2: powerful fears and senses of threat social threat is the
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  Speaker 2: idea that there is a moral framework out there that
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  Speaker 2: your actions can be judging and you just missed it,
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  Speaker 2: you just didn't even notice it, and that that you
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  Speaker 2: are being judged, and the probably the rejection. And because
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  Speaker 2: he's a conservative, he probably doesn't spend a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time judging her. Honestly, I mean some conservatives do. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to say, but I mean, what does it
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  Speaker 2: mean conservative at this one?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, like, I don't, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what like how she's defining that term.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Also, like if let's say he's just like a man
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  Speaker 1: who because I think that conservatism is conflated with just
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  Speaker 1: being masculine these days. And I'm not saying that conservatives
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  Speaker 1: own that as a positive. I'm saying that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like women associate the masculine with being conservative. Like
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  Speaker 1: there's so like if a guy is just being masculine
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  Speaker 1: and maybe and what I mean by that is not
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  Speaker 1: you know, like again the sort of like feminist stereotype
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  Speaker 1: of masculine, like smoking cigars and lifting weights and slapping
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  Speaker 1: women on the ass and acting like don draper. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean like you know, like he is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: takes initiative. He probably says, I want I want to
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  Speaker 1: work in climate science because I want to do stuff
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  Speaker 1: for the climate without engaging in emotional hysteria about the
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  Speaker 1: end of the world and instead look for practical solutions.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to go into this field. And so
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  Speaker 1: he's doing that, Like you know, here where I live,
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  Speaker 1: it's very libertarian. There's lots of gats and flags, and
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  Speaker 1: yet everybody cares about the environment, like they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: but they're but they're not doing it in a let's
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  Speaker 1: go and protest kind of way. They're doing it and
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  Speaker 1: let's work in the field, let's do stuff, right, So
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  Speaker 1: they're actually doing stuff, and I think that like getting
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  Speaker 1: your hands dirty and just getting the job done. Like
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  Speaker 1: you can look at Mike Rowe when he used to
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  Speaker 1: do that show Dirty Jobs. There was it was almost
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  Speaker 1: all men doing the jobs nobody else wants to do.
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  Speaker 1: And they were doing stuff for the environment a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times. But they're actually doing stuff. It's not it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like this kind of shallow like
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  Speaker 1: look at me. I care. I bought a Tesla and
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  Speaker 1: now I'm gonna burn it down because I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the guy who ran the company. This is actual people
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  Speaker 1: doing stuff that's real. And maybe she's associating that because
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  Speaker 1: maybe he also has like a bunch of guns and
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  Speaker 1: he you know, maybe he I don't know, like maybe
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  Speaker 1: he has beliefs about other things that she associates with
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  Speaker 1: this kind of like you know, conservatism that she obviously
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  Speaker 1: is repulsed by, and she's conflicted because it's not all
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  Speaker 1: ugly and unappealing, but she's told it's supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: by like the in group that she's trying to like
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  Speaker 1: get along well with. Yeah, so she goes on social
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  Speaker 1: media says, look, ladies, you know, I met this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like we've seen this. This isn't like a new thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and I like, he's got these good qualities.
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  Speaker 1: But it turns out that he's like, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: demon from like dimension X that like owns guns or what,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like wants to have a family. Like
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  Speaker 1: God knows what that means at this point, right, Like, oh,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you know, I what do you want to do with you? Well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I want to find a nice girl, settle down, marry her,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and start a family. Oh that sounds awfully conservative. Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that's like that's where we are now. Like I think
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that it's actually at the point where just men existing
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is conservatism. It's that's where it's going now. And I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: think that's because they've defined it in a gendered way,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you know. So I mean, yeah, yeah, I remember when
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: we used to talk to Kevin Logan and uh and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: evenber Kevin Logan was like a souper. He's probably still around,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't really know, but he was like this you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: male feminist type. And his thing was essentially he kept
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: calling us right wing conservatives, right, And at the time
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I was not, I mean, I don't even know that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I still am. I I don't like because these things
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: are just used to plaster people. But I was like,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: why are you calling us that? And and he was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: just oh, because you know, and it was basically because
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you believed in like things like I don't know, men
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and women should like not hate each other, right, and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and because it was like where I was at, or
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you're against feminism, which you know you're not supposed to be.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: So I think that that now that I look back,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of get it. Like essentially, I think there
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was an association between a kind of like you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: demonize set of moral beliefs and masculinity. They're just connecting
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: them together. And they have been doing this for a while.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So that's might it called entertain a right wing influencer
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: even though he's like, you know, he runs like a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: porn site and or he used to anyway, like there's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: nothing right wing about that, but he's a man that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: doesn't apologize for being a man. So they're like, oh, yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's right way. So they're doing that, right, mm hmmm.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: No, I got you, Yeah, no, And I actually sent
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you the paper. It's called Holier than Me, Threatening social
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Comparison in the in the moral domain.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if you want to take I'll go
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: get it and I can put it on the screen
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: if you guys want to look at it. Sure it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a little small in print there, but.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well suffer. I mean they can expand it, you know.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't do everything for you. Holier than Me
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Threatening social comparison in the moral domain, huh yeah, yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It's actually I would recommend reading it. It's interesting. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: mean it's not I don't know if it's a study.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's more like just setting out some ideas
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and uh so basically what it looked at or what
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it what it's set out in terms of ideas is
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the difference between moral exemplars that we look at and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: we say it would be you know, like this is aspirational,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like you know, Mahatma, Gandhi, a mother Teresa, I suppose Buddha,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and you know, Jesus Christ as
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: aspirational versus moral individuals who we regard to be a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: threat and one of the things that they noted is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that if the person is closer to you, so the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: more similar, the more likely you are to feel like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: they're a threat. So one of the things that's going
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: on here is the fact that she shares the moral
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: value of environment with this man.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So and she brings it up.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So if you go to page
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: it's it says fifty nine on that so it's a
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: few pages down.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it starts at page fifty three.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you go to page fifty nine and you'll
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: see a paragraph labeled moral confusion.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yep, I'm looking at it all.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Right, Sure, so you can, so you don't. Guys, don't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have to listen to me mis pronounce.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Where No, I just wasn't sure. Okay, So it reads
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: also people are watching. Yeah, some people are watching the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: vertical and I can't. If I display it on the vertical,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you won't be able to see the text. Some as
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: we'll just read it. So it says moral confusion. Another
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: reason why moral others can be irksome is that people
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: can come to question whether their own behavior is morally appropriate.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: This is more related to opinion social comparison, but with
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: the added threat that being wrong on moral opinions might
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: be worse than any other opinion finding so being wrong
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: on moral opinions might be worse than any other opinion
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: finding out by pulling others that a particular stock is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: less viable than you think, that a given fashion item
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: has a surprisingly wide appeal, or that a loathe politician
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: might not be as corrupt as you thought. Interesting choice
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of words might be unsettling in the short run, but
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it is likely to be less upsetting than if you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: learn from others that one of your behavioral choices is
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: seen as morally problematic. Being wrong is never pleasant, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: suspecting that one is morally wrong is particularly upsetting. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: one feature of moral comparison is that moral others can
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: reveal a line of behavior that one did not even
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: ever consider. It's not necessarily just that moral others took
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the road less traveled. It's that we might not have
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: been seen not have even seen that road. When they're
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: path bifurcated, moral others can exemplify a moral response that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: we didn't even realize existed.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think what's happening is that she's forcing
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: her to consider the possibility that she doesn't know everything
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: morally right, and that's a very uncomfortable position for her.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: To be in. It is, it's actually a very uncomfortable
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: with people from a position for most people, which is why, like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the what we have to I think one
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: thing that we have lost sight of a lot and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this is sort of like I think, the cause of
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: so much pain and suffering today that goes back before
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the you know, the the thing, the bug, the beer
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: bug is people's lack of humility, which, by the way,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: you mentioned like Buddha and you know Christ, that was
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like what one of their greatest let's say, uh virtues
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was their humility, the ability to basically say, look, I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: don't know everything. I could be wrong. And this is
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: very hard, especially in a time of I don't like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to blame social media, but I say, especially in the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: time of social media, where you can easily surround yourself, yes,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you can easily find echo chambers where no one will
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: tell you that you're wrong, contradict you. And this woman
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: is looking for that. She's looking for the comfort of
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: an echo chamber to tell her, yes, you you should
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: hate him, It's okay. I mean, that's essentially what she's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: looking for.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say that so this moral confusion,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the potential that she's missed something morally and he's she's
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: she's been presented with the only reason why she'd have
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: such a strong negative reaction as if she had, I
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: honestly think some sort of desire for this man social
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: or in terms of her relationship. There's no point putting
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: this much in emotional investment in a guy who's just
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: scenery eight to you, right, So he is presenting the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: possibility that she could not just be morally wrong, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: be completely oblivious to a form of morality that that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: is there. And what's interesting to me is you talk
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: about how conservative and conservative of course has become wrong
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: speak basically or wrong thought. It's just a demarcation of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: everything that's wrong. I mean, even Bernie broke those are
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: now conservative somehow. So it's just it's just packing all
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: of the things that people think are wrong. And in
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: many cases there's it's a ven diagram with masculinity and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: it's just a circle. You know.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Interesting, No, I agree, because but masculinity was one of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the first things to put into wrong think tank, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that's why Bernie Brose and the Yang Yang, which were
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of men, were ultimately rejected because they were
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: still men. So like, basically, if you're a politician, you
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: want to be successful, you got to like appeal to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: women if you happen to appeal to men, unless like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like you're gonna get hate.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, although the last election might suggest that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: shifting a bit.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: As men men like, yeah, yeah, I think no, I agree.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I think that men before that were like thinking that, oh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: they'll you know, women tend to go out and vote.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that they'll vote like in the best interest
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: for everybody, because they're gonna care about the future of
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: their families and such. And it turned out that they
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: were ready to throw all of that under the bus
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: for the Sisterhood. And that's when men said, wait a minute,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like but yeah, I'm glad that they did. But I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: don't know, like that doesn't I don't I think that
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: that could be a one off thing. That could be
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a one off. It could be. I think that men
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: are gonna they're gonna have to realize that they're just
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: gonna double down on the anti mail propaganda. I mean
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it's already been going on. We've we've already talked about,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you know, adolescents and other things like that. So but yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I mean it's still there's still a black category as
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: as I have talked about before, which the maoists would
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: put certain types of people into black categories. And one
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of them in this A day and age is men.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And what what I was trying to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: get at was men are in this black category. And
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like you were saying, conservatism seems to be synonymous with men,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: which is a synonymous with this this black category. And
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: what's interesting to me is when when I read that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: article or that that uh, I guess it's sort of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: like a paper. Yeah, it's just a paper an overview
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: plus some some theorizing or hypothesizing. And I was thinking,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I think that there is a if we look at
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: this in terms of men and women, I think there
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: is a desire or a compulsion with women to reject
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the idea that there's any kind of moral framework outside
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of themselves that makes sense. And so this black category
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: becoming synonymous with masculinity. And there are there are liberals
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: or like people on the left who will literally say
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: that we are against masculinity and expressions of masculinity and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that the world will be better off if we get
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: rid of that and replace it all with femin And
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they've said that, and they said they've said that the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: cooof nation attacking that was all the development of a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: more feminine world or something more a world based on
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: more feminine ideals of safety and control. And and so
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the black, the fact that the black category is sort
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: of evolving to be basically masculinity, I think it speaks
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to that that un initiated or maybe adolescent or undeveloped
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: desire in women to be the alpha and omega of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: morality and to not recognize that there may be a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: system of morality outside of being feminine, being female, right,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: It's it's like they are they are supposed to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the moral superiors. They're supposed to be the ones who
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: judge others morally based on how their speech, their actions,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: how well they benefit others. Is that kind of thing.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: It's almost like the you know, the angel in the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: household who stands in judgment of everyone else. And it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and it feels like again that this is a situation
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: where women are rejecting the necessity of understanding men's position
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and point of view. They're rejecting the validity of men's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: position and point of view, at least this women women.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And I think actually this there's a strain of this
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: among conservative women as well. They they and again, what
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: does conservative mean? U Republican? Right women? I don't know
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: what to call it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like most women, like women are feminists. Yeah,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: they're just they're they're just feminists. So they're just feminist
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: from a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But it's there's this desire to reject the idea that
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: anything exists outside of yourself that you have to consider.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why the black category has started
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to encompass masculinity itself with no qualifier, like not far right,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: not not just just masculinity.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was going to add one other thing too,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember what it is now.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: One of these things actually before we continue. This idea
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that you have nothing to learn is astounding to me
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: because that's basically what she's saying. She could be learning
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: from this man, she could try to ask him why
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: does he believe what he does? You know, Instead, she's fleeing.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And I think I think, actually it is an element
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of threat and cowardice, like people want to be certain
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: because they're afraid of the world and living in it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And I think that's I think that, honestly, I think
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that that Christian admonition for for women to submit to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: their husband. I really do think that that it's more
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and more shaping up in my mind to simply say, yeah,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: he has something to say, he has a position that's worthy,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it needs to be respected, and and uh and it's uh,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's I don't think it's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the way it's been presented. I don't think that that
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: commandment or that admonition is the way that it's been
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: presented in a more liberal context, that it's some kind
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of oppression of women. I think it's simply saying men
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: have something of worth of their own, and you need
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to respect that. And sometimes you need to realize that
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: they understand things that maybe you don't at quite as natively,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: shall we say? All right?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so I remember what I was gonna say.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It was a couple of things. Actually, one remember the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: context of this video. This is after the recent elections,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: so she might have a chip on her shoulder against
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: men already as a result of that. The other thing
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: is is that I wonder if that that referendum, that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: most recent election that's shutting down of the of the
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like the women the woman moment they
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: were gonna have their first female president and all that.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that didn't make women like this feel
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: insecure about their moral superiority or their self uh, they're
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: sort of self assured moral superiority over men, and that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: they're now looking for support from you know, women in
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the sisterhood to tell them no, no, because like if
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you think about it, there the the other saying is,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know, from wisdom, right, is that like women are
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like if men of the head, women of the neck.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: That's like something that like Greeks would say about their families,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Italians or they there's you know when I had Jonathan
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Pajoe on years ago and he said that women asked
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: a question. So it's like women were a kind of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, historically they were a helpful guide to essentially
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: direct men towards you know, like whatever the priorities are,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: like a woman could tell the man and that and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of course they were getting that from the wisdom of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: their fathers and mothers so like there was something like
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: connecting all of this together. So it wasn't. So it's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: not so much about you know, submission in the way
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that we think of it, but it's like a you know, service,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a helpmate kind of a thing. But that meant that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: women were in a or at least there's like this
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: feeling that women were in a in the position to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: dictate what is right and wrong, like what is moral
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: morality and immorality to some degree right. And I think
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that women have lost their grip on that and they're
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: feeling insecure about it and they want to get that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: back and they're and of course I think it's because
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: their moral compass is completely thrown off from what it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: probably was from maybe even just their parents or their
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: grandparents' time. And this woman is looking to reassert that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm over analyzing, but I don't think I am.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is is that the women who
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: are replying to her comments and are probably very supportive,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: maybe even like yas lighting her, They might not even
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like her, They might they might just be doing what
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: they themselves also feel compelled to do, which is essentially
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: just serve the sisterhood, right, support each other unquestioningly. Does
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that make sense?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, of course, Like when you're
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: presented with this, they're all just coming together and saying, no,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: masculinity is wrong. Let's just bring it down to brass.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: They're coming together in the sisterhood and saying, Nope, this
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: masculinity is wrong. Reject it. There's nothing there. It's all
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: just it's all just it's just black category. It's just
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it's just the speech of mortor or something.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, blacks, black black speech.
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: Is that what it was.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Called black speech of Mordor.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all the black speech of mortar, all the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: black speech of masculinity.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's I mean, it's it is like and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: if we go to if you go to, uh, page
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: sixty one, you might find that interesting.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: All right, let me see sixty one. Mm hmm, all right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Defensive strategies to diffuse threatening upward moral comparison. Yes, yes, okay.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: In cases where potentially greater virtue is experience as a
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: threat to the self, individuals may take one of three
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: main courses of action to diffuse the threat. Elik two
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: thousand describes how most social comparison theories assume that people
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: deal defensively with unfavorable upward comparison by distorting their meaning,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: derogatory derogating, derogating the target, or avoiding them. In the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: moral domain, this triad will take the form of suspicion
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: denying moral meaning, trivialization derogating the target on the potential
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: potency dimension, so basically trivializing them, or resentment avoiding association
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: with the threatening other. We describe each in turn suspicion
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: denying virtue. One first approach is to deny the virtue
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: altogether and to give little moral credit for the behavior.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Research suggests that a typical reaction might be suspicion and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: skepticism as to the actor's real intentions. Again, that was
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sort of implied. I see this all the time. So
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Yabara two thousand and two reviewed how the social psychological
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: literature consistently suggests that whereas we see negative behavior as
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: reflective of people's true personality, we are quick to ascribe
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: agreeable actions to social demands. This may play a defensive
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: role because morality is such a central and desirable trait
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in most people's self concept that they should be especially
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: sensitive to threats. This is similar to other kinds of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: defensive attributions to typically observed in social comparison research. In
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the case of unfavorable upward comparison, whereas the typical defensive
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: attribution in ability comparison might be to ascribe an unfair
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: advantage to the superior other. In the case of moral comparison,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: we predict that it takes the form of suspicion, ascribing
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: hypocrisy and ulterior motives instead of recognizing virtue as the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: true cause of behavior. Intentions are the crux of the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: argument in moral comparison, and one does not need to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: ignore or the behavior, which may be difficult, as long
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: as one can cast doubts on the purity of the intentions. Thus,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I might freely admit that my neighbor spends her weekends
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: helping children with disabilities, but discount her volunteering as self
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: righteous posturing, as resulting from a resulting form pressure from
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: an overbearing church, or as a craving for human contact
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: in an otherwise lonely life, rather than ascribing it to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: her greater human kindness and decency. Okay, hmmm, trivial. You're
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: fighting with the special chat, aren't you.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am fighting with the special.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Chat that's okay, just leave them alone. If they're on
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: here telling us that we're wasting our time, then they're
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: definitely wasting theirs, okay. Trivialization do good or derogation when
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the virtuous nature of the behavior is too self evident
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and can't be easily brushed off, and the direct route
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is therefore blocked. A second approach is to remove the
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: threat indirectly by putting down moral others on their traits,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: implying a lack of confidence, trivializing their moral gesture, patronizing
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: would be saints as well intentioned but naive fools, weak, unintelligent,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: with poor common sense and little awareness of the realities
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of the real world. With this infantilizing and emasculating move,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: potential threats are rendered into diluted idealists. This is apparent
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and common derogatory monikers like do gooder and Goodie two shoes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It is also reflected in the work on the might
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: over morality hypothesis, showing that individuals who defect in social
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: dilemmas tend to see cooperators as moral but weak, recasting
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the situation as one that requires will power rather than
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: ethical clarity. Mainstream reactions to vegetarians typically exhibit this pattern,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and the puzzling mild hostility that they report experiencing can
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: best be understood as defensiveness against an irksome moral claim.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Surveys of omnivores reveal that they indeed will readily put
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: down vegetarians, though they do so indirectly, seeing them as
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: good people while diffusing their threat by calling them weak.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: This derog derogation seems to be associated with anticipated moral reproach.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: We found that omnivores indeed think that they are seen
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: as morally inferior by vegetarians, and that the extent of
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: this anticipated moral reproach correlates with the negative balance of
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: words associated with vegetarians. Furthermore, priming the reproach by asking
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: omnivores to estimate it before rating vegetarians leads of vegetarians
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: being rated significantly less intelligent and less moral. Interestingly, this
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: anticipated moral reproach seems largely exaggerated, as shown by the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: fact that we found a significant gap between the morality
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: ratings that omnivores expected from vegetarians and the actual ratings
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of omnivores given by vegetarians.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is before the scoorge of vegans.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Is that is that? Well? I think I think it's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a safe way to make the case, because I mean,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I've known vegetarians tend to be a bit more high
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and mighty than normal people. I wouldn't even call them omnivores.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But but it doesn't matter, Like, as as an example
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: of the behavior of the pattern, it's it's works. It's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: just maybe they did this on purpose so that they
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: wouldn't piss off vegetarians, right, because I don't think omnivores
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: would be like, oh, how dare you? Like, I don't
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: think that omnivore normal people would care.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's just it's just basically, you're right, it's
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: just an example, and they're trying to an example that's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: not too politically charged perhaps, Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: So the last one is resentment.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, disliking and distancing. This is the one that you're
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: liking this woman. Yeah, disliking and distancing when the behavior
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: is clearly moral and it's hard to in question the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: fortitude of the moral other the previous two routes to
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: self protection are unavailable. One last resort may be to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: distance oneself from the threatening other and to profess little
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: desire to affiliate with him or her. This should be
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: reflected in low rankings on sociometric choices and a low
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: rating on liking scales, or other forms of distancing. We
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: may realize that it's difficult, we can decide that we
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just don't like the person. This can take the form
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of outright hostility, rejection, or glee at the superior's superior
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: others fall schadenfreude. In our laboratory, we have shown that
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: liking for moral rebels depends on the perceiver's own involvement
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in the situation. Participants who just saw confederate refuse to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: perform a decision task because of its racist undertones like
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the rebel. Like that rebel respected him more and saw
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: him as more moral than a compliant confederate. However, participants
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: randomly assigned to complete the racist task first actually like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the rebel less than a compliant other. For the latter
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: actor participants, the rebel stance was an indictment of their
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: own choice, whereas the former observer participants had the luxury
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of appreciating the moral exemplarity of the rebel's refusal. The
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: fact that this rejection of the rebel involves social comparison,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: was suggested in another study showing that the actor observer
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: difference was strongest for individuals who scored high on Gibbons
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and Bunk's ability subscale of the social comparison orientation scale.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The moral nature of the process was reinforced by the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: finding that the same difference was greatest for individuals who
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: signaled that morality was important to their self concept in
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Aquino and Red's moral internalization subscale. As with do Gooder's anticipated,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: moral reproach did play a role, as suggested in yet
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: another study showing the fear of being rejected by the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: moral rebel mediated the effect of role condition on embracing
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that rebel. Again, we interpret this effect in line with
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: moral social comparison. When faced with a moral other, participants
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: admired him as long as the moral other did not
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: make them look bad or had the opportunity to look
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: down upon their morality, But as soon as moral others
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: could cast doubt on their own morality, participants denied moral credit,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: put down others on confidence related dimensions, or simply express
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: disliking of the comparison other.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, and I think that not only does this
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: indicate something about what we're watching now? She went to dislike,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: by the way, I'm pretty sure it's distancing, But I
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: think it also indicates something about how difficult it is
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to put the stuff that we talk about out there,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: because we're presenting a moral framework that people may think
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: or realize that they have ignored or missed. So right there,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: you know, men's issues, Like I said, it's like a
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: moral framework that it's like the the the the road
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: less traveled, right, And when we put it out there,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: people are rejected because it presents this idea that there's
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: a there's a moral framework that they just don't they
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: didn't they didn't even really realize existed, and so you
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: have to they go through all of this process of
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: rejecting it initially because it's such a threat. And yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: so I thought that that's interesting both in terms of
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: looking at these these women and what they have to say,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: and also in terms of looking at the difficulties that
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: we've faced over the years and trying to hammer home
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: this message that you can't omit half the human race
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: from your consideration, like you can't just pretend men's issues
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: don't exist or just continue to ignore the problems that
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: men face. When men are the ones who keep society running,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: you have to feed your damn horse, otherwise the horse
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: won't plow at the very very basic mechanistic level if
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you don't want to look at it in terms of
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: just human compassion. But okay, let's let's go to the
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: next one.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So this is the next video. This woman.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Let me just put my base up here. This was
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: shared by somebody named Buck Sexton, and it's titled America's
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Plummeting Marriage Rate explaining one brutally annoying rant. So this
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: one is really cringe, so just brace yourselves. But let's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: listen to it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: Story timeline how politics are in my last relationship. So
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: let me set the scene for you. I was dating
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: this guy. We've been dating for five months, and in
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: those five months, I was told by my friends Zoe
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: he lives in Indiana. He's a fucking report. I was like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: politics don't matter to be what was that wrong? And
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: so I was like, it's fine, I don't care. I'm
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: going to get to know him first. We'll decide later.
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: So then we kind of start talking about it. I'm
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: a very liberal woman, so I am obviously like very much.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: Everyone knows that I'm a liberal woman. My brother's gay,
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: all my friends are gay.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Also, didn't she just say politics don't matter to me,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: just just saying that. It's kind of weird already, it's
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: kind of weird, but let's let's keep going.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: Like abortion rights, female rights. Ha, But anyways, so.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Female rights, just female rights, guys, don't you. That's why
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I believe in them. See, this is what I'm talking about,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the framework. Right, I'm a liberal woman. What does that mean? Well,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: let's set aside what the word liberal itself means. It
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What she's really saying is I'm a good,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: decent human being because I'm a woman. So that's it.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That's the argument. Okay.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: I would like always ask him. I'd be like, what, like,
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: what's what's your politics?
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Like what do you?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Do you?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Where do you lean?
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: And he was just like, well, like, socially, I'm a liberal,
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: but economically I'm a Republican. Fuck that okay. Also, he's a
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: twenty eight year old man. There. That's the first red flag,
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: because there's a twenty eight year old.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Her voice is crushing a gland somewhere in my brain.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. Okay, he's uh yeah, she's
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a bit unbearable. Okay, and you get to five. Anyways,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: exactly she dated the guy for five months. I guess
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that was an issue. Like I don't guess.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: He was hot, He's had sex with her a couple
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: of times, and he was considering continuing to have sex
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: with her, but then she started to become unbearable.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's let's do the math.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: The smash ratio got too high?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Five months Okay, this is late. This post is late March.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Five months, so five months ago was what month? October
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. Did anything happen between October of
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and when they broke up that she
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: might have been impacted by the sayand.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: Okay, So then I'm like, well, like, what makes you,
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: you know, economically republican? Because like I could give you
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: a whole bunch of fucking facts right now that proved
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: that you shouldn't be.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: And he was like, can I get in here for
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: a sec because and also I just want to break
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: from her voice and it's like getting choppy for some reason.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going on there. Yeah, I mean,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know why men would think they're losing out
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: if women like this, Like these these women are not
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: actually going to they're not useful for They're not I
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: don't want to say useful. They're not capable of a
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: relationship period. This is a level of control that sounds
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: like it's abusive, right or well, sorry, I've watched this already,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: so I've seen it. Let me not pre judge it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying he's lost nothing.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely not? Yeah, absolutely yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I think guys need to realize that you cannot have
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: relationships with these women. There's no relationship possible with a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: person like this. So he's gotten whatever value he could
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: out of her, and now he's moved on. Bravo. Okay,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I gotta do my squish spawn all.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Right, continued Oh that's fine, okay.
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: From his friends, and I was like, you get all
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: your information from your fucking brand friends. Obviously you can't
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: trust them. You need to do the research yourself. And
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: if you do the research, I told him, I was like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: I'll support you based on your decision if you actually
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: research it yourself, Like, I won't care if you're a Republican.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: But anyways, and so he was like, Zoe, I have
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: much better things to do than research politics, Like, I
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: have way more important things to do. Okay, he's saying
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: that to me is absolutely fucking insane, but go off, king.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I know she's super annoying, but like, remember
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, she says politics don't matter to me.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: That's what she said. Okay, and now she's she called
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: his his redneck, she called his friend's redneck friends that
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a debt are really stupid. She claimed that he should
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: not he should have been making time, I guess, to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: realize how important her politics are, because that's all that
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this is really about. And the truth is, this isn't
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: really about politics at all. So like she's using that
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: as her framework, but the truth is, that's not really
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: what this conversation is. This conversation is about a woman
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: trying to morally dominate a man and using social media
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: to do it. And she is essentially trying to She's
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: not obviously naming names or spilling all kinds of tea,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: but she is essentially like living in her social media
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: space to affirm and validate whatever, like her choice to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: break off the relationship. And yeah, and I mean yeah,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: he dodged a bullet. I think he did. But the
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: problem is, I'm I'm with Buck Sexton on this initial post.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Okay America's plummeting marriage rate explained in one brutally annoying rant.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the solution is, but we got
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to do something about women on social media. I don't
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: know what the solution is, but something has to be done.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know what. But they go on
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: there and they start talking to other women, and they
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: they it's like they form, you know, like their little
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: knitting circles, but they're like massive skill online with god
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: knows who could be a bot, could be Chinese spies,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: could be Masad whatever and there, and those people are
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: feeding them ideas, you know, predatory lesbians and that they're
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: all over the internet. And then they they go they
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: destroy their actual lives with it, like they destroy their
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: relationships and everything. And and the longer they're on there,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the more they distrust, fear and loathe men, because that's
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: like the primary messaging, and very few people are doing
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: anything rational to address it, like like I mean, like
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: because all they have is well men, It's just life's tough.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to man up. And I mean I
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: hear it all the time and everybody does it. It's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: not like a thing that comes from any specific camp.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: It's like the default setting men. You just have to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: man up and deal with it. They're not going to
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: and we're just gonna collapse because you're not gonna solve
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the problem telling men to do that because there's no incentive.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: There's no incentives.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what how are men supposed to get in there?
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: And like are they supposed to kick the door down
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and saying you're doing too much femininity in here?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shut up, get back, go back to the kitchen.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: In order for men to actually do that, they'd have
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: to have the power to do that. So where what
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: was giving them the power to do that? So ultimately,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: if it's going to happen, it's gotta it's gonna be
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: something that women choose to do on their own. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the other thing is that maybe this is a gigantic
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: selection event because these women are going to not breed.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I'm also probably not going to breed,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: so there you go. But these women are not not breeding,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: and they're not breeding on a huge scale. But I
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: mean having said that, I mean in our community, in
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the last five years, we've had let's see, six babies.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: We're not a big community.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, some people like, yeah, some people are getting
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: it done. Yeah, some people.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And but the other thing is that we're not like
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: a hugely religious community either.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Oh. I'm not even saying that that's a necessity. I'm
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: saying like, uh, you know, I don't think it should
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: be necessary. Just just stop being shipped to each other,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and I think it'll work out. And the problem is
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: is that, you know, we're only demanding that one half
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: of the population not be shit, while we encourage the
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: other half to be shit, and that they're entitled to it. Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, well, anyway, let's finish.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I got a I got a super chat from Albatross.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: He gave us five dollars, Thank you, Albatross, And he says,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: these hyper political left girls keep falling into relationships with
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: conservative guys like a moth to a flame. It'd be
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: funny if it weren't so annoying. Well, yeah, it's like
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: they're experiencing cognitive dissonance in real time, Like they're attracted
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to men who are masculine. That's kind of what it
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: really is. And then they learn that that masculinity comes
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: with things that they associate with their you know, opposing
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: worldview and that they can't comprehend those things. And so
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: because like, why were you dating this guy for five
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: months if you weren't attracted to him for some reason
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and it probably just wasn't like a look his looks alone.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: There was probably qualities that he had that you liked.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Like what about those videos? There are videos of a
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: girl of a woman who's on Twitter or or TikTok
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and she's like, I went on a date
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: with like, you know, a right wing guy or whatever,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: a man of well she said, a manly man, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: he did all of the masculine things and she was
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: totally head over heels, but she didn't like his politics,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, like for whatever reason. And it's kind
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: of like, yeah, because you're you're you're like, you're wrestling
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: with this thing that I'm afraid that one of these
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: things is downstream from the other right and and they
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: want to have their cakeny to too, So like they
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: don't want the male feminist guys they don't like, no
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: unless you know, well if they.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: If they did, then they would be actually having sex
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: with all the insults because they.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Are very Yeah, a lot of them are very liberal, Yes, exactly,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: And we're.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Me complaining about the conservatives. The conservatives that they're dating, Yeah,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: were apparently attracted to to some level to have that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: level of an emotional response to finding out he's conservative.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: They don't, they don't. They're they're on the internet complaining
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: about these guys that they find desirable turning out to
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: be conservative. And you're right, Brian, when when conservative basically
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: has become a catch all for masculine masculinity, of course
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: they're going to be attracted to that, but they don't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: have the tools to actually live with it or extend
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: themselves to understand it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Right, we can just use the trucker's protests as an example.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: We have no idea what the politics or the truckers are. No, right,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you could you could say that like on average they
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: might lean whatever, but we do know that they are
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: almost all men, and so they were like because they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: probably had families to provide for, they were just concerned
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: about like all of the issues that the Canadian government
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: was you know, bringing them, and that they were show
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: this burden and they were like, we're gonna protest, and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: they all went there and did so. And the women
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: were in fact like they they saw them as like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: this right wing thing. It was just dudes. Like nobody
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: even asked that maybe they liked their country, maybe they
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: had Canadian flags. I mean patriotism, I guess is also masculine.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but this what I'm saying, Like,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's when you when you get like stuck on
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: the on the politics of things, you're looking at it
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: in two it's too narrow of you. You have to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: look at it, I think in the gender expression, and
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: that's where you get the bigger picture. So like because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: if they if you have allowed the term conservative to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: be put in a black category, then it's gonna be
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: harder for you to see that what's really being attacked
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: is masculinity, and and masculinity should be left alone, like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to be to do what it do right. And it's different.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: It comes out in different ways for different people. It's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: not all like you know, guys that drive trucks and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: like are into hot rods and drive bigfoot and lift
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: weights and wrestle whatever. It's we all know that because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: we're not about the stereotypes, but there is there are
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: things that men do that are unique to men, or
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: at least like they tend to do more of that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: men should be allowed to do. And that is what
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I think women are attracted to, whether they like it
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: or not, you know, and uh that, but but when
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: you this is why they're experiencing cognitive dissonance. That's what
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: these videos are all doing in way they're like seeing
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: like you know, like there's what the thing I'm told
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to hate, and then there's a thing
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: that I like. And these things have a lot of overlap,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: but they can't because I'm supposed to hate them because
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: otherwise my girlfriends are gonna hate me. I guess, you know,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: like there's a peer pressure or something.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Well, if my uh, and I'm still trying to figure
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: out if it finds something that corroborates it. But if
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: my editor is correct, and people are attracted to those
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: who are morally more they feel like they're morally higher
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: on than themselves, are morally more developed than themselves, then
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: these women would have an attraction to what they perceive
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: to be is a man. On some level, they have
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: an attraction to a man who has a moral framework
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that they may not have, like be accessible to them,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense, because that that is the possibility
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of somebody who is above you morally or has some
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: moral framework that you don't understand. You see what I'm saying.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: There's the possibility there of a moral greater moral development.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: So there's that attraction. But at the same time as
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I think that's conflicting with their identification with being the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: ones who morally reject So it's like they cannot actually
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: accept their desires. They always have to reject them because
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: because it's it's this conflict between themselves how they see
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: themselves morally and being the ones who stand in judgment.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And then that leaves these women with nobody to desire
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: except people that they can't live with. That's interesting, all right,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: because they don't desire like they like. I remember a
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: while back there was a feminist who talked about how
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: unattractive feminist men are, and she's just really honest. It's like,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: how how do how do I how do I be
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: a feminist and find feminist men so repulsive? And I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: think it's because there's no perception of that they offer anything.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: There's nothing, there's no development, there's no sense that they've
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: developed morally above a woman. There can't be there literally
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: can't be, or at least developed in a different framework
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: like there's it doesn't. I don't ever know if we
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: should say above or below, but just something different, like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: something separate, something that is unique to men, like a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: moral framework that's unique to men, that doesn't exist with
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: feminist men at all. And I think that might be
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: one component why feminist women find them appallingly unattractive. Like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: I said, these women are here complaining about the fact
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: that men who they find on some level morally compelling
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: or morally desirable, are not submitting to them morally. Why
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: aren't they going to where the male feminists are, which
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: is the in cells in many cases, and going and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: fishing in those waters. That's the real question here.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, all right, let's play some more.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: Also just didn't care at that point, and so I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: kind of put on the backgurner. I was like, I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: can't fucking take this right now. Well, then we get
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: into a little spat, a little spat a couple of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: days before election day, and we almost brought So I
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: was like no, that's fine, I'll give him more chance.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: Blah blah blah blah blah. Well then election day rolls
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: around and well, actually before this he was not registered
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: to vote. He had never voted before. And he told
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: me that he wanted to vote in this election. And
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: I was like, okay, cool, do the research. But that's
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: a whole other thing. And so the voter registration deadline
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: was approaching, I could tell he was going to vote
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: against me. Let's just say it like that. And so
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: I was like, he is not going to make an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: educated decision on who he votes for. So guess what,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to remind him of this voter.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, we're together, but we obviously don't share for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. Our belief systems are different. And he's voting
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: against you, like even though he wasn't like he's he
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: hadn't voted. I think he ended up voting independent. I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if I want to subject you guys to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the rest of this, because this this woman's voice is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: really annoying and the way that she talks, because she
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: thinks she's doing like a stand up routine, which which
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: which is almost like really unserious. If you know what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: I mean like it's like, oh, this is serious, but
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a bit so it almost feels like it's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: not like it's it's there's something really inauthentic about it,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you know. And obviously, yes, if he disagrees with me,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: he's obviously not educated. He doesn't know what he's doing.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: So he's like like this is the thing. The framing
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: of it, you know, is that he's obviously stupid and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing. So m hmm, yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: let's play some more.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: I guess registration deadline. So then it passed. He didn't
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: register to vote, so there we go. It was saved.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: He wasn't gonna vote. I wouldn't have to deal with
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: it then. But then we got to that old spat
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: and I was like, let me try one more time.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: Let me see if he's learned anything from me, And
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: I asked him.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Where does she get Like where do you get that?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Like do you see how? Like is this arrogance? Like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: this idea? Like what what? Let's see if he learned
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: anything from me? Like what I mean, yeah, you're right,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he totally dodged the bullet. You're absolutely right about that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: But why women like that quit, I.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Think would be the way that Yeah, no, no, no,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: absolutely not like there's too many freakin risks to even
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: touch this, but but I would say that he got
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: at least some minor amount of entertainment out of her
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: and then ghosted her after this crap, or hopefully he did.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: But she's essentially putting herself in position of rejecting him.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I think at the point where he's just like, why
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: am I having to tell you about my voting, that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: he probably rejected her fundamentally, but she is trying to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: reframe this in terms of her rejecting him, and that's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: uh that that's because it's it's re establishing her identity
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: as the moral as the one who morally rejects basically, yes, okay,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, so.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: Who would you have voted for if you would have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: voted in the selection? He was like, I would have
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: voted independent, And I was like, do you know? Do
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: you know that how harmful and basically wasteful that is?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: And also like check your privilege by saying you're going
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: to vote independently and he's like, wow, I cannot because
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: he's going to use his vote.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, check your privilege. Only mail would like make a
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: decision to vote independently and not in the in my interests. Yes,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I I have a feeling that he probably puss it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: out and said I would have voted independent because he
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: didn't want to piss her off, and and still pissed
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: her off. Still and if be able to it looked
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: there was no winning. Okay, if you would have said
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I'm voting for Trump, that would have pissed her off. Obviously.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: If he would have said I'm voting independent, that would
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: have pissed her off because she'd be he'd be throwing
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: his vote away, and that would have pissed her off.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: If he would have said I would have voted for Kamala,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I was a white dude for Kamala, white foods, for Harris,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: she would have got pissed because he didn't register. So
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: so like there was no winning. There was no winning.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is that like, ultimately this
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: is not about that at all, But like what it's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: about is this woman wanting to essentially establish moral dominance
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: over her partner and say that I know what is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: best for you. I am smarter than you are, I'm
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: better educated, I'm on social media all the time I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: get my news from TikTok, you get it from your
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: redneck friends, and that makes me a better person. I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: watched the view. Whatever it is, right, but it's all ultimately,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is because they would have
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: just pulled from some other source to establish moral dominance.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: It's that this is and she's doing this to herself,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: like this is all like self inflicted pain, that she's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: all of it. Like that the man got he's I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: don't know what well, I forgot what how this ends.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: But play the rest of the video here.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 7: A little bit would have been a waste. Shut the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: fuck up, because it is a waste. Look at fucking
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 7: fel at Philadelphia. All those independent voters could have put
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: us over the edge and could have helped Kamala win.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: That's another story. And so I was like trying to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: tell him. I was like, listen, that's harmful. You have
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: to make a decision because the way that our voting works,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: like the two party system is a fucking joke. You
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: have to pick a side. The independent party never has
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: a chance, so you have to pick a side. And
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: we got to a huge argument about it, and I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 7: was like, you know what, fuck this. This is my
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: last straw Again. I'm a very liberal woman. I have
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 7: to date someone that is on the same page as
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: me because I can't disagree with someone on something that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: is so important to me for the rest of my life.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: I fully respected Republicans. I understand that you want to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: vote that way, but for me, I don't want to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: marry you and I don't want to date you.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: So you end it. Literally, lady, you're not capable of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: a relationship. We ended it. That means he.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Ended it, Yes, yes, he ended it. It's just like
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: when somebody says, oh, you know this person is is
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: what was it with with the joy Read where MSNBC?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: She like, she like got fired and no one said
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: she got fired. They were just like joy Read is
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: no longer with MSNBC, and it was abrupt and everybody
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: was crying about it. She got fired, that's what happened
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: because her show was the worst, and you know, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: so yeah, this is the same, like we edit. It
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: just means he was like, you know what, Yeah, this
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: isn't working for me. I can't have you over here
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: like morally dominating me all the time. And I'm glad
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: he did. I'm glad you did, because there was obviously
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this is not like she's soft pedaling it.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: If this we ended it, if she had ended it,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: she would have said I ended it. So this was
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: he ended it. He was done with this shit, and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: good for him. Again, this woman says I won't marry
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: or be in a relationship. She's not capable of either.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: So she's basically saying, well, I'm I'm not going to Uh,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not going to give men who
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: are a Republican something I don't even have in the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: first place. Yeah, you are not capable of being in
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: a relationship or being married, right that Your behavior is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: appalling and if you were married, you would be abusing
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: that person. You are control freak, right you. You are controlling?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: You are you are engaging in abusive coercive control right
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: here with this man. And he ended it with you.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Good on him, he did. And in fact, I don't
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: even think ending it is quite the thing. He decided
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: to no longer hit and quit. He's no longer this
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: is this woman is now. Her behavior is is sufficient
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't even he isn't even in having interested
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: in having sex with her. I'm guessing that what they
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: were is they were hooking up casually, and she considered
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: it a relationship. He probably thought of it as just
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: hooking up casually, and then she just became such a
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: headache in terms of her politics that he's just like, yeah,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: you're out, You're out of my rolodex.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably just they were. I mean that ultimately,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: they're just moral demands. They're not even politics.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: It's just tribalism. Yeah, Like, what does it even mean anymore?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Do what I say? That's what I'm saying like that,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: So what's a woman saying? Do what I say? Live
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the way I say? Albatross sent us a super child
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: thank you, and it was for fifty dollars. So that's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: a good one. Thank you. Albatross really appreciate that. Oh
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I should give you a sound for that one. Wow.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: And he says, I think a lot of left leaning
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: political women get in relationships with men to engineer and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: educate them into being good little soldiers. Well, we can
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: look at this another way. I think that women that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: women like this. Okay, they will get into a relationship
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: with a man and then there will be there will
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: be initial things that they like about these men, like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, right, maybe their personality, maybe how going
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: they are, maybe their confidence, whatever it is. But then,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: like they're there together for a little while, women start
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: to see some flaws in the men, or some things
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: that they deem to be flaws, which may actually like
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: be part of the whole package, you know, like maybe
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: you know, some of the traits they like a byproduct
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: of some of the traits that they don't like. But
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: what they do is they try to like change them,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: and they always do this, you guys know this. It's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: an old meme. A woman tries to change a man's
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: behavior to make him into like an ideal man whatever
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: that is. So I don't know, but like they change
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: them over time, and what happens is if the men
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: go along with it, they start to lose their own
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: identity while trying to move towards what this woman wants,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: and then they become a shell of their former self
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: because they no longer have the things that gave them,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: like that lust for life that maybe she was drawn
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: to in the first place, And then she loses interest
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: in him after that. So, like I knew a guy,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine, who was very intelligent, creative,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: you know, fun to be around. And he met a
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: girl and they started dating and I got to know
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: them both together, and then they got married. But like
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: she immediately started changing him. She was like, you, you know,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I love you because you gotta stop smoking. And he's like, okay,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I'll stop smoking, right, So he stopped smoking. Probably not
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: a bad thing, Like some of the stuff is reasonable,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: you know, but like over time, it was like, you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: got to spend less time with your friends. You gotta
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: start doing this. You gotta do you know, you got
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: I need to work more, make more money. And he did.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: He did everything she asked to the point where there
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: was nothing left of this guy. I barely ever saw him.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: And then she divorced him because he wasn't the same
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: guy that she fell in love with. So like, this
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: woman does that, Like this is what they do, so
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: you could. I don't disagree with Albatross's super chow and
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of how that expresses itself in the political realm,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: but it is something that women just do, Like they
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: find a man and they are like, he's got all
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: of these you know, all of these traits that I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: really like about him. But there's some things I'm not
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a big fan of. I think I'll change those things.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I can fix him, is what they usually say, right,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: and then they slowly, over time fix him. And then
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: when they do, they don't realize that if they're if
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: that man is not as happy as he was or
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: not the same person, it's because of her nudging. So
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: in a way, first of all, I think that men
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: and women have to learn to live with the negative
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: quirks of their partner, assuming that they're not like deal breaking,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: which if they are, you probably shouldn't be with them
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: to begin with. But they also have to understand, like
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and learn some tolerance of those traits. You know, like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: my wife Lindsey. I love her to death, but she
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: has some negative traits. Like she has this thing I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: don't know why she will not put like like the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: screw top lids on like you know, jars. She never
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: closes them, she just puts it on top. Or she
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: leaves like half drank glasses of water all over the apartment,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: right like in Signs, like that little girl from Signs.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: And it drives me up the wall because I'm the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: kind of person that picks up after myself. Right, But
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like, am I gonna like blow
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: a gasket? No, I just sort of get on with
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: it because I know that there's stuff that I do
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: that probably gets under her skin too, But to some
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: degree we have to understand that, Like, yeah, we have
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: our quirks, you know, like I like to stay up late,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: she goes to sleep early. You know, So what do
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: we do? Well, I guess I go to sleep a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: little bit earlier than usual, and she goes to bed
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit later than usual. And that's kind of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: like how it goes.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, well but that's that's basic like relationship management.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say, one shing, could you move
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: it so that you're a little bit more.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Centered or I can just move my camera Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Just a little bit. Yeah, yeah that's better. Okay, okay,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: because that's one of mine.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I was I was drifting this way.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're drifting a little bit towards towards the idol
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: or the icon. Uh yeah, no, this is uh yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: she's not. She is not for relationships. I don't even think.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: No, she wants to control. There has to be a
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: third too much. And that's the thing, like what these
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: what this because the truth of it is that this
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: woman was into this man in the beginning, Like they
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: were together five months. Maybe maybe she didn't know that
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: she was actually a booty call. Maybe, but even even
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: still he was fine with him in the beginning. That
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: means that there were traits that he had that she
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: liked enough to date him or be intimate with him
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But then when you become like human beings,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: we get accustomed to something and then we take it
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: for granted. It's very easily we can just take it
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: for granted and then start demanding more and more perfection,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: like that dopamine hit just isn't hitting like it used to,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: and now you're like finding problems. Right, So I think
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: that the reason I guess the main thing that I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: think is the issue here is that this is something
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: that everyone has to learn. So I don't think that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: she's an extreme case. I don't think that she's an
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: exceptional case. I think that this is kind of bog standard,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: especially if you are a you know, she's not an
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: ugly woman. She's probably got some filters going on. I
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: would be surprised, but but she probably is not unaccustomed
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: to male attention. Therefore, that's going to like build a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: kind of let's say, uh, a resistance to wanting to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: change want Yeah, yeah, exactly, like why should I men
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: like me anyways? Right, so, and also an expectation that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: other men do change. So like I and I don't
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: think that's unusual. I think that the you know, it's
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the the simp economy is a part of that problem.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Like the men who are just like I'll take you
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: for however you are. I think that the uh, the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: changing of the way that we do dating and courtship
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: now where it's all done you know, online and stuff.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I think that that that sort of like obscures people's perspective,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're a woman that gets lot
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: of attention, so because you're gonna be like, well I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: can pick from a million guys because I get like
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: hundreds of dms or whatever, and that then that changes
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: your perception as well. Then you start expecting like, well,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: if I have a hypergamy, you know, cranked up to eleven,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, you know what, you know what happened recently.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: As an asign, I'm sorry for blathering on, but Sidney Sweeney,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: who's an actress, right, very very popular because she's hot
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: and doesn't really care. She's like one of these you know,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: like attractive actresses that sort of like owns it, you know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: like she's like fine, you know, men love me or whatever.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: She was in a committed relationship with some guy. I
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: think they were engaged, and she like broke it off
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: and everyone's sharing it like, oh, she's single now and available,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's a massive red flag. Guys, like
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: a woman that became a star overnight and suddenly got
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of attention and and most of it had
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to do with her sex appeal. Suddenly she just that
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: this man that she was definitely like saying that she
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: was gonna marry and be with forever. She broke it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: off with him, and now like the media is all saying, look,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney is available. That's that's a problem because I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: think that she got like that nudge of like, oh shit,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I can be single and get lots of attention and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: potentially more roles, more money, whatever. So I think that
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: that could be an issue. Sorry, I'm just saying if
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: you're and obviously most men that would be like, oh
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: that means I have a chance. No guys, come on
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: let's not, let's not but anyway, so right, well they
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: edit it, okay, next one, all right, this is this
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: is a little bit different. This one is more about
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: let's say, emotional labor stuff, but still another viral video.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Have you seen this one?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Five minutes long?
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Brian, you don't have to watch the whole thing. We
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: can just watch a little bit of it, or we
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: can save it for another show, because it's like it's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like a separate topic in a way.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just seem like a separate topic. Yea, yeah, sure,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: like a special chat's definitely been interesting today.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can save this for another one. This
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: is Candice Fourbacks and she basically is an influencer who
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: apparently is considering divorcing her husband, and the reason why
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: will blow you away. Mm hmm.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Like this is I'm what, you know what,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: maybe we should maybe we should just go over it
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: quickly because I don't know, it's not big enough to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: make an entire show from, but it's it is something
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: critical and I think it dovetails into what you were
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: saying about your relationship with Lindsay and the fact that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: there's always something that's annoying, but I mean honestly, Okay,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: essentially what she says, it's a five minute video. We
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: won't go into it. She basically just says that she
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: has to asked her husband. She had to ask her
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: husband to take out the trash, apparently he was tired
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: after coming home from work and something else that I
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: don't remember. Do you remember what?
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: She Yeah, I was like to cook the meals or
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: or when he does cook the meals. It's like, well,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: I'll play a little bit of it. We can, we
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: can just listen to it real quick. But I did
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: get a rumble rant from occupant forty two for ten dollars,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: thank you, occupant, and he says, a woman marries a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: man thinking he will change. A man marries a woman
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: thinking she never will. Oh that's deep. Uh okay, so
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: let's listen to some of this. I'll play it.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: I have been with my husband for almost twenty years,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: but about three years ago I was strongly considering divorce and.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about why. So I'm
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: going to tell you.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 8: The story of the day where I thought to myself,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: maybe I don't want to do this anymore.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: My husband and I had four kids, we both worked
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: full time.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: We had been.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 8: Together for sixteen years at this point. We've been together
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: sin high school. And on paper, I have an amazing husband.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: He is incredibly supportive, he's kind, he's loyal, he's a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: great dad. He's very hands on, he's an active participant,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 8: he's always present.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Like, on paper, what else could I ask for?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Why is this? Why is she saying on paper that's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: literally what he's doing in real life, Like, he's literally
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: doing this, and she's like, on paper, that's like saying
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: in theory. That's not in theory, that's actual, like he's
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: actually doing that.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: Okay, but anyway, But in reality, my experience is very
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: similar to the experience of other women.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: I had this amazing husband who on.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 8: Paper was great, but I was incredibly frustrated and burnt
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 8: out from our marriage and from motherhood. Because what happens
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 8: to so many of us is that we marry these
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: amazing men, and we have amazing relationships, and then we
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: have kids.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: And when we have kids, women tend.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: To carry a disproportionate amount of the work in the home,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: the work of raising kids, and.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: That is a oh, the mental load. The mental load, Alison,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: don't you know.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Proportionate to what shut up. The US GSS has consistently
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: found men do more work overall, four hours more work
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: a week, So you have nothing to complain about, at
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: least statistically on paper, on paper, you have nothing to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: complain about.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Right, well, in practice comparison.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just using her own ridiculous but in comparison to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: what you had.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: You know, do you know? Do you know what she do?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: You know what her job is? Do you know what
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: her job is? Alice's no, no, no, you don't know. I'll
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: save it because that's the best part. I'll save it
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: for later. But that's the best part and also his job.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: So but let's let's keep let's keep going.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 8: Exactly what happened to us. About three months after my
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: fourth Aty was born. I remember looking at my husband
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 8: and saying, I need more. I need you to do more.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: I am exhausted. I am in charge of everyone and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 8: everything in this house.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Every night when we cooked.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: Dinner, you ask me what to make here every day
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: when you drop off the kids at daycare.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he spoiled it. I see that.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep going, all right, Yeah, you.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Asked me what they need? In their backpacks.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 8: I am the project manager of this home, and I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 8: need you to do more.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: And he looked at me and he said, okay, just
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: tell me what to do. Right, every woman has heard this.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Just tell me what to do and I'll do it.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: And I said, okay.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 8: You know something that would make my life easier is
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: if in the mornings, when I came downstairs with the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 8: four kids, because I do mornings by myself, the dishwasher
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: was emptied, the dishes were put away, and the trash
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: was taken out. That would make my life so much easier,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 8: because when I've got the four kids running around and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 8: the baby crying, I can't be looking for their favorite
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: water bottle in the dishwasher. I just need to know
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: it's clean. And he said, yeah, of course, what, Yeah,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 8: I'll do that, that's no problem. And so of course
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: he does it, but then I have to remind him.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: Then he forgets, and then I have to remind him again.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: And there was this one morning.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Where I woke up, Oh, no, you have to remind
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: me to.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 8: Put something in the trash, and it was overflowing, and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: I went to get my son's water bottle and I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: was in the dishwasher with all the other queen dishes,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 8: and I felt so disrespected and unseen and unvalued at
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: that point in time. And I remember texting my husband
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: being like what happened? Like why didn't you do this?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: And he said sorry as running late for work, and
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: I remember thinking, oh my god, he doesn't see me
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: because what he's done has now made me late for
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 8: work and he.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: Doesn't care about that.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 8: He doesn't care about the impact on me, and he
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: doesn't see how every single thing in our home happens
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 8: because I asked him to do it, or because I
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 8: do it myself, or because I planned and organized it.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: The diaper bag is full because I.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: Filled it right I put the wipes in there, and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: I felt so frustrated.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, I'm talking missed right now.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know this is real rage inducing, So I
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: don't think we need to listen to more of this.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you what she does. Okay. He has
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: a channel on TikTok called let Me See It. And
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: this is why I think Allison should get on TikTok
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: and make video responses where she literally talks about emotional
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: labor and unpaid labor for two women on TikTok. That's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: her job. She's an influencer that talks about the mental load,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: marriage and motherhood, childcare. That's her job. She's an influencer.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Her job is complaining about her life to other women
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: and making them upset with their husbands, I guess in
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: their own life. And what does her husband do. He
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: works on power lines, he works, he's aligneman. He works
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: up on the power lines all day and she is
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: literally like a woman at home with kids doing like
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: online influence. His job allows her to do that, and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: she calls it full time work allows, yes, a lot.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Of people to do their job. His job is critical
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and essential, and her job is to make his life
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: more miserable. This is just encapsulates modern society. This worthless
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: human being is standing in judgment of somebody who if
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: he's alignment, he puts his life in danger every day
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: to make sure people have things that keep them alive.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: And this creature makes his life worse. And she has
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: the audacity. He's probably paying for the house or maybe
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: she is, and through her influencing work, and she has
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: the audacity to complain about that, she has to manage
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: her own the household. Like that was your job. Of
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: course you have to manage it. It's your job. And incidentally,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: your job is also to make sure he's able to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: get to his job. Like, so this is this is
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: the reward for men. And I just can't believe she's
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: putting this in public on paper, Like what this is abuse?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: What this is abuse?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 9: This woman is abusing her husband in public on paper
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: and in reality, Like, who the like did he sign
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 9: off on being talked about in this way in public?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. This is just this
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  Speaker 2: is this, This is the hoof prince of women who
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: are addicted to social rejection, to rejecting others, to rejecting
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: their men publicly, to public humiliation of their of their partners.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: She was late for work and didn't take out the trash.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Now I'm considering divorcing him.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Late for work equals getting on her phone and making
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: TikTok videos. Yeah, I hope he does just what she
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: meant by he has to drive out to god knows
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: where and climb up on a pole and work on wiring. Yes,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so oh god, yeah, it's just yeah, So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: this is like the this is the product of the
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: sure sheer amount of luxury, security, and affluence that we
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: have essentially provided for women. This is what the result
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: of that looks like like until if we get if
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: we like fall economically into a stone age, it might
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: be a blessing in disguise. It might be because then
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: maybe women will be like, holy shit, I have taken
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: everything for granted, Like everything that men have brought up,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: I have taken for granted.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: She doesn't just bring her electricity. He brings the entire
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: community electricity. And his function is to keep the world running.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Her function is to bitch at him for not doing more.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, you know.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: I can't even look at her anymore. Okay, this is
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: this all right, I'm just done. I don't even want
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: to look at it.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Should You should see the comments and here are very
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: supportive too. This is the thing that's crazy. All these
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: women are like she's right, men are not like there.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: It's crazy like this is called emotional labor, and we
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: are sick and tired, partially why I left my second
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: ex husband. I'm tired to think for the both of us.
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  Speaker 2: So because they have a husband, do you know what
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: this emotional labor crap is? This is a husband submitting
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: to her and doing what she said. Yes, right, Yeah,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: the husband doesn't just pre figure out and do it
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: without Why do I even have to have Why do
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: I even have to even notice my husband or talk
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: to him? He should just do what I want by
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: basically breeding my mind? What an astounding level of entitlement.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, and yes, you're right, it's hugely like lots of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: she gets lots of attention from women. This is the attitude.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: This is a much more prevalent attitude among women than mine.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: That's for sure. Even Hannah Coxes, who supposedly uh more
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: right leaning is caping.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Oh no, she totally kate for this woman. She told us,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: you didn't even like think about what the husband does
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: for a living. That was the thing, Like somebody had
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: to look into this guy's history to find out what
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: his job was. No one who agreed with this even knew,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: because it didn't even occur to them that his job
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: might be hard or important, like influencing not important, ladies,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: like really like if if we when when AI comes,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: I hope the influences are the first ones that are
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: affected by it. I want a robot telling us like
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: how to like cook meals or or whatever, pack lunches
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: for kids or whatever it does influencers, do you know.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: And he's a good one, right, he's he's like, he's supposedly.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: One of the best. Paper on paper on paper on paper.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Yeatilder says she wants her husband to be the help,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: totally invisible furniture that just does everything, only acknowledged when
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: she chooses. And of course, wow, that's a really nice
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: house your husband probably bought for you being alignment.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: What an incredible privilege. And apparently she according to another comment,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: she also has a nanny and a housekeeper.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: She does, Yeah, she has got a nanny. So if
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: she's not even really doing the stuff that she's claiming
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: that she does. And again, her job is essentially convincing
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: other women to be dissatisfied in their marriages, even though
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: she's got like she could be lying about all of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: her frustrations because it gets her more views. You know,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: like like where if if you're in like a group
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: and some and you want to like start people talking,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: complain about something and then invite other people to complain
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: and they'll all jump in and complain.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: You know what we should do I was just thinking
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: about this. I don't want to see this woman anymore
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, she's genetic trash. You know
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: what we should do. We should make it so that
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: people can call in on the landline here and then
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: maybe I can hit a button and they can speak,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: and then we could have the special chat call in.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Sure, there are definitely some ways to do that. I
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: looked into it a little bit in the past, so
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. There's there's a couple of different methods for
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: setting up taking calls that could work. I think that
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: you can use the internet to do it too, but yeah.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well but I do have a I do
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: have an actual landline here, so that might be worth
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: looking into. But anyway, I can't stand like, all right,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: well we.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Can and we can wrap it up here if you want, because.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: This woman is actually in a relationship.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Marriage for kids.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: She's in a marriage, and she's publicly humiliating and berating
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: her husband and everybody is cheering her on, and she's
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: doing so for things that are trivial, Like, what is
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: the justification for this? How is this justified in anyone's mind?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: So this is what this is this is the best
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: case scenario for men in this society? Eh?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it doesn't say much.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no it doesn't. Okay, I'm gonna I all right,
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• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: next Actually I want to address something in a special chat,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: KG said, voting against one's interests or sorry, He says,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: these two fifty year olds don't understand why someone would
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: not want to hang out with you if you vote
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: against their interests? What interests? Okay? First of all, So basically,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: now what we have is that the Republican position sort
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: of aligns with men's in and the left position aligns
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: with women's interests. We're gonna have a very short future.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys have different belief systems, you
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be together, And voting is like a symptom of that.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: So you know, like, how could you like how why
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: would you be with someone that you are so like
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: if you're so opposite on so many issues, then you
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be with them unless it's purely sexual in which
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: day is that's that's really not like much of a foundation.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: So uh, y'all just mad because you don't get any Well,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: we're both.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Married, so okay, yeah, whatever, man, it's just kind of
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: like sad, yeah, sad special chat. You guys are just.
• 1:40:51
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