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Chase Massner Found: Waiting for an autopsy & arrest · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Chase Master is in a rock
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Speaker 1: War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told us
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Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a quick trip in Cobb County,
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Speaker 1: where he works. His family says he was last seen
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Speaker 1: at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years ago on March.
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Speaker 1: It's like he vanished from that home, not to be
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Speaker 1: seen or heard from again. Living the last three years
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Speaker 1: with the not knowing and without him here is pure hell.
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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found.
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Speaker 1: She tells me that as a mother, in her heart,
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Speaker 1: she feels her son Chase is dead. We have absolutely
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Speaker 1: no answers at all, not even the slightest clue. In
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Speaker 1: three years. We have been on the search now for
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Speaker 1: months and months, joining together with a family in grief,
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Speaker 1: a family looking for their boy, a boy turned man,
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Speaker 1: a boy that turned into a soldier for our country,
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Speaker 1: A father, a husband, the search for Chase Master. Finding
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Speaker 1: Chase Master today answers. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We learn in the
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Speaker 1: late late afternoon, the worst, I believe, the worst possible
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Speaker 1: scenario unfolds. Joining me right now, Daniel Wilkerson from Channel
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Speaker 1: Daniel is standing outside the Medical Examiner's office. Daniel, what happened?
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's been a shock for everyone. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I'm standing outside again the Medical Examiner's office here in
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Speaker 1: Cobb County, and we think we may get the preliminary
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Speaker 1: results right now. They have just told us that they
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Speaker 1: found a body in the backyard of that home in Kennessol.
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Speaker 1: They have not made a positive I d as of yet,
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Speaker 1: but I was speaking with Chase his mother, Stephanie, late
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Speaker 1: last night and she feels that this is Chase. Police
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Speaker 1: had told her something that has made her think that
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Speaker 1: apparently there was something that they found with the body,
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Speaker 1: uh that makes him think that this is in fact Chase.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the cell phone or some other
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Speaker 1: object belonging to him that she could easily identify. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is, Daniel Wilkerson, come on, get real, my man.
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Speaker 1: I mean a body is found underneath basically a porch
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Speaker 1: under cement, and it is at the home where the
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Speaker 1: last sighting of Chase Masner went down. Okay, of course
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Speaker 1: it's him. I don't need a medical examiner to give
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Speaker 1: me the dental records of the d NA, to tell
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Speaker 1: me this is Chase Masner. We have found Chase Masner.
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Speaker 1: And I really wonder, I really wonder, Daniel Wilkerson, if
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Speaker 1: it weren't for you and your reporting and our digging
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Speaker 1: and showing up at the police station and trumping through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood and reinvestigating the case, if anything would of
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Speaker 1: her have happened, because really what it boiled down to
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Speaker 1: is taking dogs back to the scene. Tell me how
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Speaker 1: the whole thing unfolded, Daniel Wilkerson, Well, about a month ago,
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Speaker 1: Team Chase, it was really Team Chase who organized a
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Speaker 1: K nine search. We took two K nine dogs out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. Hold on, I gotta give
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Speaker 1: them the credit because they were on this before you
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Speaker 1: were on it, before I was on it. For anybody
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Speaker 1: else was on it. This team of people that would
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Speaker 1: not let it go, as they call themselves, Team Chase. Okay,
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Speaker 1: tell me about them taking a dog back to the scene. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we invited the Cobb County Cold Case Unit to
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Speaker 1: come out. Of course they were with us. And Tracy,
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Speaker 1: who has a K nine team, she brought her dogs out.
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Speaker 1: We first went into the basement, um there in Kennessault
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Speaker 1: of that home, Brad Clement, his old home. Uh. The
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Speaker 1: dogs looked around. They did not find anything in the basement.
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Speaker 1: And then they took them to the backyard. And it
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Speaker 1: took a little while. Uh they did not initially search
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Speaker 1: up close to the house and just thinking you know that,
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Speaker 1: you know, who would bury a body that close to
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Speaker 1: a home. And then about midway through the day, they
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Speaker 1: took the dog to one at a time. Uh, near
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Speaker 1: the back door. Uh. There is a deck that comes
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Speaker 1: off of that back door, and strangely, there was a
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Speaker 1: piece of seamen. It looked like a makeshift foundation about
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Speaker 1: the size of a body. Uh, that was just in
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Speaker 1: the middle of uh, the underneath that deck, and it
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Speaker 1: looked strange. She brought one dog and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: that dog just sat down right in the spot right
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Speaker 1: next to that concrete. And then she then when it
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Speaker 1: got another dog, took the other dog back, got another dog.
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Speaker 1: He sat down in the same place, and we were
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Speaker 1: just flavery gas Okay, let me set this, let me
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Speaker 1: set this thing, because there is no way, no way
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Speaker 1: that this was an accident, the burying or the disposal
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Speaker 1: of this body, and that leads me to my next conclusion.
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Speaker 1: If you bury a body in secret, the question is why, Okay,
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Speaker 1: why why don't you call nine one one? Why don't
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Speaker 1: you scream out for help? Why? What is it about
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Speaker 1: the body that makes you go bury it under a
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Speaker 1: porch under cement in the backyard. Let's let's start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. I jumped the gun and went to the
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Speaker 1: end with me. Daniel Wilkinson from Channel forty six standing
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Speaker 1: outside the Medical Examiner's office right now, waiting on word
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Speaker 1: because the cause of death on Chase masner Man. I
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Speaker 1: never even thought I was gonna be saying those words.
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Speaker 1: I always held out there was a chance, just a chance,
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Speaker 1: that he had dropped off the grid and was living
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Speaker 1: under a bridge in California. I don't know what I thought.
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Speaker 1: I guess I was hoping this would not be the outcome.
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Speaker 1: But let let's start at the beginning. Lee Egan from
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com has also been on the case.
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Speaker 1: From the very very beginning. Lee unfold the scenario Chase
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Speaker 1: goes to Ira, Okay, comes back home, beautiful wife, two
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Speaker 1: little girls, Amanda, and she was under suspicion too. She
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Speaker 1: had not been ruled out in my mind, but when
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Speaker 1: I met her and talked to her, there was really
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Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind Amanda had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with this. Tell me how it all unfolds. He comes home,
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Speaker 1: they start having financial problems, and what happened, Lee Egan, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was. The rumor was that they were fighting a
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Speaker 1: lot um. When we spoke to Amanda last time, she
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Speaker 1: she told me. Amanda told me, okay, well, the rumor
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Speaker 1: was that she was constantly thrown him out of the car,
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Speaker 1: which I don't know how much of that is true.
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Speaker 1: She did say the one night they got a really
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Speaker 1: big fight, her children were in the back seat, and
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Speaker 1: they stopped the car and he got out because they
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Speaker 1: didn't want to fight in front of the kids. And
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Speaker 1: it was that little thing right there that sparked all
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Speaker 1: kinds of rumors that she was possibly involved. When after
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Speaker 1: we met her, I don't, I do not think she
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Speaker 1: is whatsoever. Well, wait a minute, I also remember Lea
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Speaker 1: Agan Daniel, Daniel, Uh, We'll always have the flop pal Daniel,
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Speaker 1: me and you, because you remember the morning that we
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Speaker 1: showed up bright and early, because I said, look, anybody
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Speaker 1: that stays out all night and parties and drinks, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: They they're like vampires. Okay, they want to sleep late.
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Speaker 1: And we showed up at his door. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what time it was, early in the morning, started
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Speaker 1: banging and sure enough he was in there asleep, and
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Speaker 1: we got it and we talked to him, and his
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Speaker 1: story did not exactly fit together, but he is demeanor.
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Speaker 1: He seemed, you know, friendly and affable. But then Daniel,
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Speaker 1: every time we tried to reach him to take his polygraph,
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Speaker 1: he'd leave town or have an excuse, or right after
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Speaker 1: we were there, he suddenly quit his job and left.
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Speaker 1: You know that all the signals were there every time
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Speaker 1: we got close to him, he had disappeared. So take
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Speaker 1: it from there, Daniel will Krison Channel forty X. He
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Speaker 1: comes home. They have problems, and yes, Amanda put him
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Speaker 1: out of the car. She told me that herself, Lee
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Speaker 1: is right. So then what happens that day? She uh
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Speaker 1: put him out of the car. Um. She said that
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Speaker 1: she was not just going to leave him on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. She tried to calm him on
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Speaker 1: the side of the road. Uh. She was able to
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Speaker 1: talk him back into the car, and they decided that
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Speaker 1: that Chase would be dropped off at his place of employment.
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Speaker 1: He worked, of course, at the QT. The Quick Trip
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Speaker 1: there in Connessol, probably less than two miles from Brad's home.
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Speaker 1: They went to the QT and that is the last
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Speaker 1: time that Amanda says that she saw her husband. And
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Speaker 1: so once at the QT, Brad play excuse me, uh,
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Speaker 1: Chase places a call to Brad. Brad tells a Chase
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Speaker 1: that he is at that point at a computer store
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Speaker 1: picking up some parts. Chase tells Brad that he wants
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Speaker 1: him to come pick him up, and uh, so that
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Speaker 1: is what happened. Brad shows up at the Quick Trip.
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Speaker 1: He says that they stayed therefore about uh thirty minutes
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Speaker 1: and that you know, we we had heard rumors that
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Speaker 1: inside Chase was acting count of erratic. Brad said that
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Speaker 1: it was just Chase being Chase. Other people said that
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Speaker 1: as well. At any rate, they leave the Quick Trip
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Speaker 1: Brad and Chase, and they go to Brad's home. This
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Speaker 1: is all according to Brad. Where they sit in Brad's
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Speaker 1: home in his bedroom all night discussing the problems that
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Speaker 1: the relationship relationship problems. So hold on Daniel Wilkerson joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, is a key member of Team Chase
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Speaker 1: who's been looking for Chase Master from the very very beginning.
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Speaker 1: Kim Harris joining me, Kim, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. First of all, I want to hear
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Speaker 1: your reaction to what we now know that is Chase
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Speaker 1: under that patio. I know that it's him. I don't
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Speaker 1: need a medical examiner to tell me that. I want
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Speaker 1: to hear your response. I agree. Um, I'm I'm in
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Speaker 1: shock that it took over three years, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like we all knew three years ago, but none of
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Speaker 1: us would have ever expected it to be in for
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Speaker 1: him to have buried him in his own backyard, and
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Speaker 1: basically for it to be right under everyone's noses this
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Speaker 1: whole time. Right here, here's the thing. So where Daniel
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Speaker 1: left off, Daniel Wilkerson left off. So Chase and Amanda
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Speaker 1: have another argument. Look, you don't go to school your
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Speaker 1: whole life, go become a war hero, come back to
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Speaker 1: go work at the Quick Trip. Okay, that you don't
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Speaker 1: grow up thinking, Hey, I want to sell slush, she
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Speaker 1: said the Quick Trip. No, you don't think that. But
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Speaker 1: he was having all sorts of problems, allegedly having post
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Speaker 1: traumatic stress syndrome from being any rock, really hard time
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Speaker 1: being away from his mom, the very close with his wife,
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Speaker 1: his two little girls, had really hard emotional time. Comes home,
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Speaker 1: he can't assimilate back into civilian life. It's not working.
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Speaker 1: He and Amanda fight all the time. That got a
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Speaker 1: brand new baby, no money, you know, just a really
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Speaker 1: bad scene for everybody. A lot of arguing. So there's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about it, Kim. She puts him out of
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Speaker 1: the car right and ultimately that night says, okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll take you over and you can go be at
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Speaker 1: Brad's stay at Brad's place tonight. They go the quick trip,
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Speaker 1: she leaves him bam, never sees him again. It's amazing
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Speaker 1: to me, Kim, that all this time he's been right there.
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Speaker 1: So that night Brad Clement entered good friend Brad Clement.
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Speaker 1: He says they stepped all night long talking about the relationship,
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Speaker 1: and that the next morning Chad chases asleep, won't wake up.
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Speaker 1: And then for some reason inexplicably, he invites a construction
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Speaker 1: crew working on his house for a barbecue in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: and in the middle of all that, he catches the
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Speaker 1: backyard on fire. I'm talking about Brad. I mean, Kim,
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Speaker 1: how obscure is that scenario? It doesn't make sense. And
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Speaker 1: now we know why it was all cover up. Camp
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Speaker 1: it was And I actually am the one that talked
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Speaker 1: to Brandon buck on the recording that you have um
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Speaker 1: and everything that he told me to walk through of
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Speaker 1: the house, all of that was cover up. I knew
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Speaker 1: it from the very beginning. We all knew from the
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Speaker 1: very beginning, and it just it makes it so tough
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Speaker 1: because he was an adult and he had the right
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Speaker 1: to walk away, and until they were able to have
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Speaker 1: enough evidence to say that he didn't just walk away,
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Speaker 1: we were stuck. And never did we think it would
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Speaker 1: be three years later. And honestly, you guys thank us,
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Speaker 1: but we thank you guys because with out, without y'all,
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Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here right now. You know what. I
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Speaker 1: just wish that with all of Daniel Wilkerson's work and
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Speaker 1: all of crime online attention to it and writing about
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Speaker 1: it and conducting interviews, I just wish there had been
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Speaker 1: a different outcome. Let's take a listen to what Brad Clement,
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Speaker 1: the last person to have seen Chase alive, had to say.
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Speaker 1: What he told me and Daniel to our faces. Listen,
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Speaker 1: did you go under the premise that Amanda had come
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Speaker 1: and picked him up from your house while you were
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Speaker 1: at Lose. I always thought she picked him up when
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Speaker 1: I was either like right where I was at Public
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Speaker 1: X or right when I got back, like because when
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Speaker 1: I went upstairs to go get in, um, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was like, I ran up there because I had
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Speaker 1: set the backyard on fire, and I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: did you you know I just remember I was kind
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Speaker 1: of like really, you know, I had a lot of
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Speaker 1: energy because I just put all this big fire my backyard.
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Speaker 1: And that's when I realized he wasn't there. And then
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Speaker 1: I you know, the roof first because they had just
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Speaker 1: come inside because I had to get them off the
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Speaker 1: roof because it was so smoky, And you know, I
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Speaker 1: asked him, I was like, did y'all see my buddy leave?
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Speaker 1: And you know, they were like, you know who? You know,
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Speaker 1: it didn't like nobody was there, like type deal, and
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Speaker 1: you know, the other three Hispanic guys didn't really speak English,
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Speaker 1: so you know, I just kind of you know, the one, yeah, Brandon.
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Speaker 1: But I mean I was always in the impression that
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Speaker 1: they thought that they saw him leave. Just because they
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Speaker 1: were up there on the roof and you know, I
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Speaker 1: was coming and going and you know, but they didn't.
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Speaker 1: I guess not. I mean I always thought they did.
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Speaker 1: But there was a boysmail when there voicemail where you
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Speaker 1: chase a voicemail on his phone, Hey man, where did
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Speaker 1: you go? Something like that? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
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Speaker 1: that's when I was like calling him, you know, trying
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Speaker 1: to you know, figure out, you know, But that's what
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Speaker 1: he always did. He always left, you know, and just
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Speaker 1: wouldn't return my calls, like for a couple of days,
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Speaker 1: and then we'd be like, oh, man, I'm all right,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing such and such. Are left with Amanda.
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Speaker 1: And because that was the first time I talked to him,
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Speaker 1: that's the same thing he did. Like they just he
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Speaker 1: just left, you know, and didn't tell me he was leaving.
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Speaker 1: And you know, a man, it would just show up
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, and I think she'd be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm here, come on, let's go. And that was that
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Speaker 1: in the boys mail. Didn't you say, hey man, the
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Speaker 1: roofs saw you lead, Where'd you go? Something like that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I was probably just saying
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Speaker 1: that just so he'd come back, like, I mean, because
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Speaker 1: I just wanted them. I bought all this food too,
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Speaker 1: and I had, like, you know, I just wont if
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Speaker 1: it went to waste, and I wanted him to come
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Speaker 1: back just to kind of you know, eat some food
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Speaker 1: and kind of squashed the whole thing with him and Amanda,
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Speaker 1: like I really wanted to. I really thought I was
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Speaker 1: helping at this point, so I really wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: to him like both you know, and kind of just
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Speaker 1: like like I said, I mean, at this point, I
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Speaker 1: thought I was helping now, you know, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I guess you know, they had their own agenda or whatnot.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you went over there to save her
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Speaker 1: that night, after she called you and wanted you to
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Speaker 1: come over, did you ever say, well, didn't you pick
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Speaker 1: him up? Yeah? I mean, that's that's the whole thing
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Speaker 1: I told her. When she told me the first time,
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Speaker 1: She's like, no, I didn't pick him up, like and
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Speaker 1: then that was that like like you know, and then
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Speaker 1: we would talk about something else. It was just like
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Speaker 1: That's that was the big thing was that she just
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Speaker 1: never seemed that worried, like she never seemed like she
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Speaker 1: didn't know where he was. Like that it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: she was more wanting to get stoned or just kind
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Speaker 1: of wanting to you know, I guess just you know,
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Speaker 1: get on with their life or something. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It was just she never seemed that concern. So that
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Speaker 1: is what Brad Clemitt told Daniel and I that early morning,
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Speaker 1: and we were there forever Daniel, we wouldn't let him
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Speaker 1: on our site. No, in fact, we guarded the door
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Speaker 1: when he did. Did I even let him take a
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Speaker 1: shower or no? No, you remember we came in and
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Speaker 1: one thing that really struck me. You kind of talked
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Speaker 1: about his his countenance once we got there, if you remember, Nancy, Uh,
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Speaker 1: when we got there, we went in, You sat on
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Speaker 1: his bed, he grabbed the chair, I said, on the side,
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Speaker 1: and he went and grabbed a bowl of cereal from
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Speaker 1: the refrigerator and started eating it. He he got done
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Speaker 1: with it and said he wanted to go smoke a cigarette.
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Speaker 1: You said, hey, you can go smoke a cigarette, and
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Speaker 1: the patio come back, and we stood right there and
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Speaker 1: stared at him so he couldn't get away. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: I will admit that when I kept saying I went
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Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom, I did go search
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Speaker 1: his bathroom. I was just trying to find out if
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Speaker 1: there was anything in there that could connect back to
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Speaker 1: Chase Masner. Okay, say what you want. I know you
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Speaker 1: laughed at me later, but yeah, I went through everything,
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Speaker 1: was everything I could find, just looking, just trying to
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Speaker 1: find anything, anything that would relate back to Chase. So
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Speaker 1: on that day he gave the story and I did
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Speaker 1: notice then that he kept adding obscure, odd details to things,
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Speaker 1: and he really, you know it, Daniel, he really pointed
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Speaker 1: the finger at Amanda, and he cooked up the scenario
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Speaker 1: that while he was out running errands that morning the
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Speaker 1: morning Chase was killed. Chase was killed sometime during the
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Speaker 1: night of the morning because he gave that tour of
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Speaker 1: the home to people on the construction crew. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe any of them ever saw Chase, and he blamed it.
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Speaker 1: Brad blamed it on Chase moving bedrooms. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if he was even alive that day. I think he
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Speaker 1: may have been killed during the night. But you you
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Speaker 1: mentioned that fire in the backyard when he went out
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Speaker 1: to barbecue for the roofers. I spoke with Brandon uh
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Speaker 1: Doug there the dogs hid in the backyard because I
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Speaker 1: wanted to know exactly where that grill was and what
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Speaker 1: part of the backyard caught on fire, And in fact
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Speaker 1: it was according to the roofer, it was the same
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Speaker 1: area where those dogs here. Who. Well, speaking of Brandon Dutt,
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Speaker 1: who was running the construction crew, I seemed to believe
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Speaker 1: I got a piece of him to take a listen,
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Speaker 1: how would you describe brass behavior during those two days
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Speaker 1: or why? Or while you guys were eating the barbecue,
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Speaker 1: he was just um all over the plate, like on
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Speaker 1: edge bi Hipert didn't have much a mathete, didn't what
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Speaker 1: he didn't really have didn't He was talking all over
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Speaker 1: the plate, talking roast all the time to eat. Did
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Speaker 1: he ever even mention Chase? Yeah, he said he said
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Speaker 1: his friend was gone, and that kept that since we
19:55
Speaker 1: saw him leave and we never saw him. There was
20:01
Speaker 1: something he tripped over in the backyard. Yeah, they like
20:07
Speaker 1: a little grave, he said, were I think a dog
20:11
Speaker 1: or something? And it was right outside the fence. There's
20:14
Speaker 1: a like a little headsphone. So that was Brandon Duck
20:18
Speaker 1: and I had heard so much about him, but he
20:20
Speaker 1: seemed pretty straightforward when I spoke to him, um, and
20:23
Speaker 1: I believed him The only story that really never made
20:26
Speaker 1: sense despite his demeanor was Brad Clement. The story just
20:31
Speaker 1: didn't fit together. And do you remember, you remember, Daniel,
20:35
Speaker 1: he kept pointing the finger at Amanda and even cooked
20:37
Speaker 1: up the scenario and gave it to me and you
20:39
Speaker 1: with a straight face that he thought while he was
20:42
Speaker 1: gone or at some juncture, that Chase got a call
20:47
Speaker 1: from Amanda went outside and she picked him up and left,
20:50
Speaker 1: and nobody ever told him. That was what he told us. Remember, yes, yes,
20:55
Speaker 1: And then you have to also remember the fact that
20:58
Speaker 1: heats hook according to his only and he took Chase's
21:01
Speaker 1: phone um for a couple of trips. Yeah, we didn't
21:05
Speaker 1: think that made sense either. Why would you take somebody's
21:07
Speaker 1: cell phone? And he told us, Daniel, he did it
21:09
Speaker 1: so Chase wouldn't leave. And he kept pounding home to
21:12
Speaker 1: you and me. He kept saying that was Chase's m o.
21:16
Speaker 1: He would just get up and leave and never tell me. Remember,
21:18
Speaker 1: he kept saying that over and over and over. That
21:22
Speaker 1: was a big red flag. He kept blaming Amanda, just
21:25
Speaker 1: outright blaming her. But when we spoke to Amanda, she
21:28
Speaker 1: didn't blame she didn't blame Brad. She pointed out problems
21:32
Speaker 1: with the story, but she wasn't trying to point the
21:35
Speaker 1: finger really at anybody else, Guys, I want to I
21:37
Speaker 1: want to thank our partner in addition to our awesome
21:42
Speaker 1: guest today, Daniel Wilkerson from Channel Channel forty six, who's
21:45
Speaker 1: been on the case, Kim Harris, who has been on
21:48
Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning trying to find Chase Masner.
21:51
Speaker 1: Lee Egan from crime online dot Com who never gave
21:54
Speaker 1: up Alan the Duke Duke joining me also on the story.
22:00
Speaker 1: I want to take a listen to what who emerged
22:04
Speaker 1: as a potential suspect. But I'm telling you, after I
22:08
Speaker 1: met her and her sister and really got to know them,
22:13
Speaker 1: and then she pursued me to come back for a polygraph.
22:17
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never had a potential suspect in the
22:20
Speaker 1: case ask me, will you please take my polygraph? I'll
22:25
Speaker 1: fly back to town with my children in tow and
22:28
Speaker 1: you give me a polygraph. Never happened in the history
22:32
Speaker 1: of the Earth by a person who's guilty. After she
22:35
Speaker 1: did that, I'm like, oh, you know what, You're fine,
22:37
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But take a listen to what
22:40
Speaker 1: Amanda Master say she took a lot of heat online.
22:44
Speaker 1: A lot of people blamed her when she packed up
22:46
Speaker 1: and moved out of town. Why because everybody was treating
22:49
Speaker 1: her like she was the killer, but she wasn't. And
22:52
Speaker 1: now we know the truth, the whole truth. Listen to
22:56
Speaker 1: what Amanda says to the day he is missing. You're
23:02
Speaker 1: in court? Correct, When did you start trying to find
23:06
Speaker 1: Chase when I got out? I mean I was texting
23:10
Speaker 1: him like I wanted? Did he ever text back? And no?
23:14
Speaker 1: I didn't speak to him one time that Thursday. The
23:18
Speaker 1: last time you spoke to him was when you dropped
23:20
Speaker 1: him off well that night, when you sound check and
23:22
Speaker 1: see if you're correct. Do you believe Chase committed suicide,
23:30
Speaker 1: either on purpose or inadvertently. It doesn't matter what I believe.
23:35
Speaker 1: It matters to make well. Then maybe off the record,
23:38
Speaker 1: you and I could talk about that. We're trying to
23:41
Speaker 1: figure out if you the person that knew of the
23:43
Speaker 1: best thanks he was killed or met with foul play.
23:49
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Yeah, I believe somebody killed him.
23:52
Speaker 1: I don't. Do you think there's any chance he's still alone? Yeah?
23:59
Speaker 1: You just heard Chase his wife Amanda and the pain
24:04
Speaker 1: and the emotion of all this is still just below
24:08
Speaker 1: the surface with her. She burst out crying. Her sister
24:11
Speaker 1: started crying after we had spoken with them. I mean,
24:16
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't take much to to really really
24:21
Speaker 1: bring out her emotions regarding the disappearance of her husband,
24:26
Speaker 1: the father of her children. There alone now they got nobody. True,
24:32
Speaker 1: she and Chase argued a lot after he came home
24:35
Speaker 1: from Iraq for many different reasons, But that doesn't mean
24:39
Speaker 1: she doesn't love him to this very day. And to
24:43
Speaker 1: find out he's buried beneath a patio, beneath a slab
24:48
Speaker 1: of cment. Well, you know what, I couldn't write this
24:52
Speaker 1: if I were writing it in a crime novel. I
24:53
Speaker 1: couldn't make it up. But last night, believe it or not,
24:57
Speaker 1: Brad Clement called Daniel Wilkerson listened at my house. I
25:04
Speaker 1: would have just called the cops, called time one one
25:07
Speaker 1: amongst the nurse, like I know, And I felt like
25:13
Speaker 1: they would have arrested me if you would have need
25:15
Speaker 1: at the house. So you you're saying you were just
25:19
Speaker 1: as shot when you heard that there was a body.
25:20
Speaker 1: How did you find out about it? Wait, they were
25:23
Speaker 1: in my house to told me about it. I mean,
25:26
Speaker 1: I don't even know why they didn't find it the
25:27
Speaker 1: first time. And when when they turned from the well, Tracy,
25:31
Speaker 1: the one with the dogs, Stracy, she told me that
25:34
Speaker 1: she thought Cork County had called County police, had searched.
25:38
Speaker 1: She said, she never searched your backyard. I mean, I God,
25:43
Speaker 1: they had already had gone through there and searched it before. Like,
25:47
Speaker 1: I mean, they had fortus back there, and like I
25:50
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they had gone back there before. Well,
25:53
Speaker 1: I was there when the dogs came, when they bought
25:56
Speaker 1: the dogs out, and I mean both of the dogs
25:58
Speaker 1: independently went and set right in that area where they
26:01
Speaker 1: found Chase or where they found the body. Okay, I'm
26:04
Speaker 1: sure that's what they do. I mean, I just got
26:07
Speaker 1: out a switch that I got a kind of audience
26:11
Speaker 1: and do something that you're trying to help someone out.
26:16
Speaker 1: I'm sure they problems. I'm sure they'll offer you a
26:21
Speaker 1: public defender. I thought it a tak a public defender.
26:25
Speaker 1: I mean, if you couldn't afford an attorney, I can't
26:28
Speaker 1: afford it an attorney. Well, what I have to I'm
26:33
Speaker 1: just trying to see what what reason would a person
26:35
Speaker 1: have for setting you up? Though I have no clue.
26:38
Speaker 1: Why why would I kill ka? Like, that's a much
26:43
Speaker 1: better question. I just I just don't care and seeing
26:47
Speaker 1: how or why? It's just like why what I can't do?
26:55
Speaker 1: And getting set up like this? So Daniel Wilkers said,
27:00
Speaker 1: let's break down what Brad Clement tells you. They find
27:02
Speaker 1: a dead body in his backyard. Okay, what do you
27:06
Speaker 1: make of his conversation? Well, you heard him there. He
27:09
Speaker 1: says that it is a set up and that he
27:11
Speaker 1: was as shocked as anyone. He told me, Like you said,
27:15
Speaker 1: I said, up by who the construction grew? That's what
27:17
Speaker 1: I asked him. I said, I said who? Who would
27:19
Speaker 1: set you up? Brad? He said, I don't know? He
27:21
Speaker 1: said why would I kill? Yeah? Why would he? That's
27:24
Speaker 1: my question. I'll tell you what's gonna answer a lot
27:26
Speaker 1: of questions is what the medical examiner has to say.
27:30
Speaker 1: If Chase ends up with a lot of drugs in
27:33
Speaker 1: his system. Uh, it's a lot different than if he
27:36
Speaker 1: ends up with a blow to his head. Okay, So
27:39
Speaker 1: the medical examiner is going to have a lot to
27:42
Speaker 1: tell us, right, Daniel, that is right? That is right? Um,
27:45
Speaker 1: And like I said, we expect that preliminary report. Uh,
27:48
Speaker 1: and we'll just see. But Brad, he says that he
27:52
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he should have to lower you up,
27:54
Speaker 1: but at this point he says that's what he is
27:56
Speaker 1: going to do. Hold on. Kim Harris from Team Ace
28:00
Speaker 1: is with us, in addition to Lee Egan and Daniel
28:03
Speaker 1: Wilkerson and Alan Duke. Kim, what's your response, I set up.
28:08
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Someone went to the extreme to
28:11
Speaker 1: set him up. And mind you, Brad made it very
28:13
Speaker 1: clear to us in the very beginning week one that
28:16
Speaker 1: he has video cameras, had video cameras around the entire property.
28:21
Speaker 1: So for someone to bury a body in his backyard
28:25
Speaker 1: and then be so nice to come back, however long
28:28
Speaker 1: later and cover it with semen, it makes no sense. Yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: I mean the set up. Hold on, guys, I think
28:36
Speaker 1: joining me right now is another very special guests that
28:39
Speaker 1: may shed light on this. It's Sherry and Marietta from
28:42
Speaker 1: Team Chase. Sherry, what an unfolding of events. I had
28:47
Speaker 1: been hoping against hope for a different answer, Sherry, but
28:51
Speaker 1: literally it was right under our noses. We've all been
28:54
Speaker 1: trumping through that yard. It's just incredible to me. That
28:59
Speaker 1: it's taken three years. Sherry weight In, I'm with him.
29:03
Speaker 1: I think it's um for somebody to go that to
29:05
Speaker 1: that extreme. Um. She and I both stood in the
29:08
Speaker 1: driveway the first night that we went to speak to him,
29:11
Speaker 1: and like, there's cameras. There's a camera that just last
29:14
Speaker 1: week is still there. As a matter of fact, I
29:16
Speaker 1: went by the house myself. There's still a camera right
29:19
Speaker 1: outside the garage door, right where he saw the truck
29:22
Speaker 1: taking the medical examiner's truck yesterday. And to not be
29:28
Speaker 1: able to look back and get that to see who
29:30
Speaker 1: did that to him? Come on, now, if you got
29:32
Speaker 1: cameras they pulled up, go show us who did this.
29:36
Speaker 1: But we all knew he did it, Sherry. The fact
29:38
Speaker 1: that there are cameras really limits what he could have done,
29:42
Speaker 1: how he could have disposed of the body, if the
29:44
Speaker 1: cameras were even working. Let's go out to the lines.
29:46
Speaker 1: Joe in Florida. Hi, Joe, what's your question? Then? She
29:50
Speaker 1: I have I have a few comments, uh, which which
29:54
Speaker 1: leads your questions. Uh. I can't believe the stupidity of
29:58
Speaker 1: so many purps to bury a funny right in their
30:02
Speaker 1: own backyard. I mean, even will he did manage to
30:05
Speaker 1: check us for three years though. Even so, even if
30:08
Speaker 1: he got it over on us from even a despicable
30:11
Speaker 1: tassy Anthony buried the baby a few blocks away, you know.
30:15
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm looking at it and I can't
30:18
Speaker 1: believe the stupidity. And yes it was. And it's a
30:23
Speaker 1: heartbreaking story of this veteran, uh no question. And he
30:27
Speaker 1: must have been in absolutely terrible shape, and and nobody
30:31
Speaker 1: was getting him help, you know. And by the way,
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't want to make light of Joe. He was
30:37
Speaker 1: a young guy. He had his whole life in front
30:39
Speaker 1: of him, and he was really battling some demons I
30:44
Speaker 1: think as a result of coming home from Iraq. It's heartbreaking.
30:48
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, talk about what he said. The stupidity
30:51
Speaker 1: of Brad Clement. Hold on, think about it. Was he stupid?
30:55
Speaker 1: Was he crazy? Or crazy like a fox? Because think
30:59
Speaker 1: about it, John, everybody knew. Everybody knew Chase had been
31:04
Speaker 1: at his house. They knew he had been here, been there.
31:08
Speaker 1: He had a construction crew on his roof, for Pete's sake.
31:12
Speaker 1: So what's amazing to me? I'm gonna throw this to
31:14
Speaker 1: Kim Harris saw on Team Chase what's amazing to me,
31:18
Speaker 1: it's not. I'm not regarding it as stupidity. I'm regarding
31:21
Speaker 1: it as great cunning on his part that, given the
31:25
Speaker 1: confines of the house, that there was a construction crew
31:28
Speaker 1: on the top, it's in a neighborhood, somehow he managed
31:31
Speaker 1: to get the body out of the house and bury
31:35
Speaker 1: it under everybody's noses and cover it with a slab
31:39
Speaker 1: of cement. What about that, Kim, I wouldn't say it's crazy,
31:42
Speaker 1: more crazy like a fox. Well, you're absolutely right, because
31:45
Speaker 1: in the beginning, our biggest fight was we've wanted that
31:48
Speaker 1: dumpster search. Um. That's honestly, we we thought answers were
31:52
Speaker 1: at the landfill. Never ever did any of us think
31:55
Speaker 1: the backyard. So you're right, okay. Also with me is
32:00
Speaker 1: a guest from Team Chase who has been on this
32:05
Speaker 1: from the very very beginning, Sherry and Marietta. What do
32:09
Speaker 1: you make of Joe's theory he was stupid? And my
32:13
Speaker 1: counter theory it wasn't stupid at all, you know, like
32:16
Speaker 1: you say, put it right in front of her face
32:17
Speaker 1: and they'll never see it. And I think he believes
32:20
Speaker 1: his own story, So everything that he comes out with,
32:25
Speaker 1: it's truth to him in a roundabout way. I think
32:28
Speaker 1: he tells him. I think he tells his own truth
32:30
Speaker 1: with his life. If that makes sense. Yeah, you know what,
32:32
Speaker 1: let's analyze what she just said. Daniel Welkrison for those
32:35
Speaker 1: of you just tuning in right now, we have been
32:37
Speaker 1: on the trail of finding Chase Master, a very handsome
32:42
Speaker 1: young guy and the rocky war Vett who comes home,
32:45
Speaker 1: can't find a job, has a beautiful wife, two beautiful
32:48
Speaker 1: little girls adore him. You can't fit into civilian life.
32:53
Speaker 1: He's it's all messed up from Iraq, and suddenly he
32:57
Speaker 1: goes missing. And I gotta tell you what really broke
33:00
Speaker 1: my heart. Daniel Wilkerson is talking to his mom. Remember
33:05
Speaker 1: the when we went out there and we sat down
33:08
Speaker 1: with her and talked to her, and she just she
33:12
Speaker 1: she had those pictures. Hold on, Alan Duke, do you
33:14
Speaker 1: remember we went out to talk to her and she
33:16
Speaker 1: had out on the dining room table all the pictures
33:19
Speaker 1: of Chase is a little boy. And I gotta tell you,
33:23
Speaker 1: it's really upsetting me because I think of all the
33:27
Speaker 1: pictures I have of the twins, and you know how
33:30
Speaker 1: how much they mean to me, And she had all
33:34
Speaker 1: those pictures out and when she tried to show them
33:36
Speaker 1: to us, Alan she broke down crying. Remember I there
33:39
Speaker 1: was not a dry eye in that room back in
33:42
Speaker 1: March when we sat down and talked with her in
33:44
Speaker 1: her home. I mean, that's what I keep thinking about, Daniel. Yeah,
33:48
Speaker 1: And I tell you, Um, I was on the phone
33:49
Speaker 1: with her until late last night, and UM, I think
33:53
Speaker 1: in some ways she is relieved because she along and
33:57
Speaker 1: she told you, Nancy, that she just wanted to find
34:00
Speaker 1: her son. Um. She got the news from police as
34:04
Speaker 1: she was driving to the airport yesterday. Thankfully, her husband
34:09
Speaker 1: was in the car with her and police told her
34:11
Speaker 1: before they even notified her to pull over and let
34:14
Speaker 1: her husband drive. UM. But yeah, it was she cheese
34:18
Speaker 1: and pieces as you would imagine. I just can't even
34:20
Speaker 1: imagine it. I mean, right now, just I'm just getting
34:24
Speaker 1: chills all over my arms. We spent so much time
34:26
Speaker 1: with her, and I wanted a different outcomes so much, Daniel.
34:30
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be this way so much.
34:33
Speaker 1: And Nancy, don't forget that. Right after we spoke with
34:36
Speaker 1: Brad that day, we had a meeting and brought together
34:40
Speaker 1: Brad and Stephanie Chase's mom, that's right, and she had
34:44
Speaker 1: all the questions for him, and you know, when I
34:47
Speaker 1: look back on it, you can see the awkwardness he
34:50
Speaker 1: had towards I just chalked it up to him being him,
34:54
Speaker 1: you know, an awkward person. But remember how awkward he
34:57
Speaker 1: was when the mom had questions for him and he
35:01
Speaker 1: was answering in monosyllables and she tried to hug him,
35:05
Speaker 1: and he just kind of like stood there like a
35:07
Speaker 1: wet cat. I mean, it just it was all there, Daniel,
35:11
Speaker 1: it was all right in front of us, and he
35:15
Speaker 1: was adding details when he spoke with the mom that day.
35:18
Speaker 1: I had heard the story. I don't know his account
35:21
Speaker 1: from him. I don't know about that time, probably six
35:23
Speaker 1: or seven times. You had heard it two or three
35:25
Speaker 1: times from him. And when I was sitting there with
35:28
Speaker 1: you and Stephanie and Brad, he was adding details that
35:31
Speaker 1: he had never told me, and I thought that was odd. Daniel.
35:35
Speaker 1: We talked about that, remember how uh, adding details is
35:39
Speaker 1: not always the kiss of death. But when you start
35:41
Speaker 1: changing details, and his stories started slightly changing during all that,
35:46
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to accept that the search
35:50
Speaker 1: is over, you know, Daniel, Wilkerson when they were digging
35:57
Speaker 1: up the body just a couple of hours years ago.
36:02
Speaker 1: What was the team telling you? I mean, what do
36:04
Speaker 1: they think is going to be the cause of death?
36:07
Speaker 1: What was it about those roomains that they could I
36:10
Speaker 1: immediately identify? This is chase, you know what. I do
36:14
Speaker 1: not know what was down there? There was something though
36:17
Speaker 1: when I arrived, they had not yet. They had made
36:20
Speaker 1: the dig, but they had not yet taken the body up.
36:23
Speaker 1: What did you say I saw. I stood on the
36:26
Speaker 1: side of the house, so I could just see a
36:28
Speaker 1: mound of dirt. But um, of course, the lead investigator,
36:32
Speaker 1: he came out and spoke with me, and I asked
36:33
Speaker 1: him whether or not the body was intact, and he
36:36
Speaker 1: told me that it was, but he made a face
36:40
Speaker 1: that indicated to me that there was something else either
36:44
Speaker 1: there or I don't know exactly what the face was.
36:47
Speaker 1: But I was there as they willed the body around
36:51
Speaker 1: and they put it into the medical examiner's vehicle, and
36:54
Speaker 1: at that point what I saw was a white tart
36:57
Speaker 1: and it looked like any other body inside of bag
37:01
Speaker 1: that I had ever seen. Of Course, I couldn't see
37:03
Speaker 1: the body, but yeah, yeah, you couldn't You could tell
37:07
Speaker 1: from his expression there's something about the body. It's not dismembered,
37:10
Speaker 1: it's intact, but there's something about it. Um. I wonder
37:14
Speaker 1: if they already know just from a cursory look out
37:16
Speaker 1: to the lines. Brian in Detroit, Hi, Brian, what's your question?
37:20
Speaker 1: Not really a question, um, Just after that's over, and
37:24
Speaker 1: I just want to thank Joan and Dame for helping out.
37:26
Speaker 1: I am one of the ones that's been following the
37:28
Speaker 1: case for since it began. I deployed the Chase. I
37:32
Speaker 1: lived with him for some time. It was really close friend,
37:35
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm glad to see the search is over.
37:38
Speaker 1: I just hope the truth comes out. And I want
37:39
Speaker 1: to thank you for that he did and uh knocking
37:42
Speaker 1: on his door and going after him and everything. It
37:45
Speaker 1: was awesome to see somebody finally, you know, caring enough
37:49
Speaker 1: to do and do something about it. So thank you
37:54
Speaker 1: for that, Brian. That really means a lot to me.
37:57
Speaker 1: That really means a lot to me. At all the
38:00
Speaker 1: cases I ever prosecuted, I remember, the only thing that
38:05
Speaker 1: really matters in the end is when family and friends
38:09
Speaker 1: care about what you did, you said you you know, Chase,
38:14
Speaker 1: tell me about him he he loved life. He was Um,
38:20
Speaker 1: I knew the military side of him, that the family oriented,
38:23
Speaker 1: how he loved his family. Um. When there was some
38:28
Speaker 1: moving around and I had gone through divorce and uh,
38:31
Speaker 1: before I found a place, Chase let me stay with him,
38:34
Speaker 1: and I stayed with him for a couple of months,
38:36
Speaker 1: and Uh, him and Amanda, they were always happy. They
38:40
Speaker 1: you know, they loved each other. They had um that
38:43
Speaker 1: he loved his kids. He was just so happy all
38:45
Speaker 1: the time. He's always smiling, hilarious, one of the funniest
38:49
Speaker 1: guys I've ever met. Um. He was just full of life.
38:55
Speaker 1: Just anybody would have enjoyed to be around him. He
38:59
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest none of my life. I'm
39:01
Speaker 1: just drinking in and just taking in what you said
39:05
Speaker 1: and thinking about what his life could have been. He
39:10
Speaker 1: was trying really hard to work things out with his wife,
39:13
Speaker 1: and she was trying to They did not want a divorce.
39:18
Speaker 1: They wanted to stay together. They had two little children
39:22
Speaker 1: to raise. He had his whole life in front of him.
39:29
Speaker 1: That will never happen. These children will grow up with
39:33
Speaker 1: a dad. The only thing really right now, like you said, Ryan,
39:39
Speaker 1: is we now know what happened we know what happened,
39:46
Speaker 1: and I don't know what kind of peace is going
39:49
Speaker 1: to bring the mom. Yeah, I just I hope that
39:54
Speaker 1: I hope that the lives from from bread and stopped,
39:57
Speaker 1: and I hope he just tells the truth wholeheartedly why happen?
40:00
Speaker 1: So there's some full closure to Kim Harris on Team
40:04
Speaker 1: Chase and listening to what Brian is saying, and it's
40:09
Speaker 1: it's really bringing home about a life cut short, as
40:13
Speaker 1: if we didn't already know that, But the way he
40:16
Speaker 1: says it is appointed to me, Kim. At the very beginning,
40:22
Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson and I both saw big holes, big problems
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Speaker 1: with Brad Clement's story. When did you grow to suspect
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Speaker 1: what he was saying? Immediately? Immediately, um that within a week,
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Speaker 1: we actually went out. Sherry done Um was with me
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Speaker 1: and several other people. We went out to Brad's house
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Speaker 1: and we went for answers. Some of Chase his friends
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Speaker 1: went with us. Um it was a group of us
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Speaker 1: and we went for answers, and his story was conflicting. Immediately.
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Speaker 1: I actually spoke to him on the phone or earlier
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Speaker 1: that day and he told me a totally different story
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Speaker 1: than he told the detective that day and then turned
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Speaker 1: around and told us a whole another story when we
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Speaker 1: got there. So immediately his story was always shaky. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Wilkerson, you and I both had big
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Speaker 1: problems with his story. But when we met with him,
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Speaker 1: his demeanor was like, you know, a laid back dude,
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Speaker 1: kind of like the guy that never gets out of
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Speaker 1: that living in your messy bedroom college phase. That kind
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Speaker 1: of got stuck there, and he seemed willing to talk
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Speaker 1: to us, but then every time we wanted to go
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Speaker 1: step further ahead, just disappear. Basically I had to go
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Speaker 1: grab him by the collar and get him in the car.
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Speaker 1: But and then even after that, even after the dogs
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Speaker 1: hit on human remains, which was a month ago. UM.
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Speaker 1: I spoke with Brett after that and he said that
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Speaker 1: he um he was against but his concern, he says,
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Speaker 1: was for the people, the new owners that lived there.
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Speaker 1: He said, why are you guys taking these people through this?
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Speaker 1: And I thought it was odd. I said, well, Brad,
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Speaker 1: you know, this maybe an opportunity for you to clear
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Speaker 1: your name. But he was concerned. He said about the
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Speaker 1: new owners, what about him? He thought that we were
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Speaker 1: just thinking you don't think they want to get the
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Speaker 1: dead body out of their backyard. He was, he says,
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Speaker 1: he was concerned about them, and I thought that was
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Speaker 1: a little odd. Right after that, he took off with
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Speaker 1: his family, he says, to a beat to to a
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Speaker 1: vacation on the beach, and he he was there for
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Speaker 1: two and a half weeks, and that's when he brought
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Speaker 1: contact with me. In the past, he had always returned
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Speaker 1: calls from me within are day or two, but then
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Speaker 1: he went completely silent until yesterday. A lot is going
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Speaker 1: to depend on what we learned from the medical examiner.
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Speaker 1: All of us, Daniel Wilkerson, Sherry Kim, Allen Lee, we're
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Speaker 1: all standing by to hear those results. I want to
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Speaker 1: take one last Leston to Chase his mom, and if
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Speaker 1: you agree with me, you will know we have to
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Speaker 1: find justice for Chase Mansoner. The first several weeks, they
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Speaker 1: were not actively investigating because, in their words, it's not
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Speaker 1: a crime to be missing. If he wanted to walk away,
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Speaker 1: it's not a crime. Okay, let's talk about that. Had
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Speaker 1: he ever in his life gone this long without texting?
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Speaker 1: You were calling you ever? Never? And you know what
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Speaker 1: I say. If you don't know a horse. Look at
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Speaker 1: his track record. So what somebody has done in the past,
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Speaker 1: they're likely to do again. If he had gone his
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Speaker 1: whole lot, texting you and calling you every what, day,
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Speaker 1: other day, what, all the time, then why would he
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Speaker 1: quit that day? It's say to h double L and
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Speaker 1: my mother say, I don't believe that. I don't either.
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Speaker 1: I just I just want to know the truth. I
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Speaker 1: want to know what happened to Chase. Do you believe
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Speaker 1: Chise is still alive? I do not. Now are you
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Speaker 1: saying that with your heart and your head? Or yes?
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Speaker 1: I don't believe he's alive. Can you think of a
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Speaker 1: reason that anyone would have wanted him to have? Not
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Speaker 1: a single reason. I've lived the last three years not knowing.
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Speaker 1: Every single day it's just Hill. We're on the case.
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