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#96: Heathers (1989) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? Greetings and salutations,
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  welcome to my Charlie's favorite scary movie.
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  The fuck-ass where we talked about the kids about the ugly,
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  movie rightfully, has its fanbase, even if we don't always
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  get it? My name is Travis.
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  My name is Jessie and that was my best.
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  Jack Nicholson impression by Christian Slater.
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  That was your best Christian Slater doing Jack Nicholson.
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  Yeah. That's good, right?
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  Always, choose the hardest turns of phrase.
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  You saw me yesterday because I was getting in a loop trying to
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  Christian Slater, Jack Nicholson, Christian Slater.
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  Something like Jack Nicholson. Something like cushions your
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  brain malfunction? Yeah, I'm not gonna have.
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  I'll be real with myself. I know I do.
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  I do a great one but you know why?
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  He doesn't do a great Jack Nicholson either in my opinion.
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  They keep you entertained. All right, well, I will go over
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  the pole then. Okay, so we had our episode with
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  pod ledum, everything Halloween, resurrection.
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  So, we have a poll. If you haven't listened to that
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  one yet, please listen to it. It's, I know it's long, but it's
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  great. It's a really good episode and I
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  know everybody has heard me reference probably demand,
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  Auntie Em Plenty of times. Yeah, I am very proud of myself
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  because at one point, Alexander said, conspiracy theory and I
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  stopped myself from going. Do do, do I really wanted to
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  show them like that wasn't. It wouldn't have been
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  professional. Yeah.
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  What a feel of maybe we are. We professionals on this
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  seriously? I don't know, exactly.
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  I think it would have been fine. And they were like, they were
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  awesome. They're really funny.
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  Yeah, there were a lot of fun and they were very they put up
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  with a lot of stuff because we we've been having a lot of
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  storms lately and we were having a lot of Internet issues and
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  they we got disconnected like three separate times and they
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  are, I made sure you're all of it that that wasn't queer in the
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  episode, it all was seamless. All right, pull for Halloween.
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  Resurrection, we discussed for of the endings.
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  So, if you had the original, you had the one with Miles rescuing,
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  Sarah. Yeah.
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  The one with Sarah killing Michael, with an axe to the
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  face, and you have the CSI inning.
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  We just want to know which one you would have preferred.
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  So on Instagram, 57%, one of the original autopsy.
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  Ending cat 14, wanted miles to rescue Sarah, which JW voted for
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  that 10K. And, but, was he voting for that
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  hours? He voting for the one that we
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  rewrote, where it's actually Scott comes in.
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  And that's the secret. I went Scott to rescue her and
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  just be like, what the fuck is happening?
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  She's like, who are you? I'm Ezekiel.
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  Absolutely. That's Samuel.
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  Jackson's character's name in Pulp Fiction, right?
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  Most rules. Oh, he quotes as EQ the Bible.
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  Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I don't know why.
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  I thought that was his name. That's also a cool name though.
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  29% wanted Sarah axing. Michael in the face.
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  Nobody wanted the CSI ending or the secret Sky.
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  Ending the sky ending is like the one in the video game where
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  you do all of the exact heck tricks.
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  It's like in. Yeah, like the secret ending,
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  where it's just Scott up up down down left, right?
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  A b, a b trigger. Yeah.
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  Something along those lines and Twitter 50/50 split on Mi
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  rescuing Sarah and acts to the face, okay.
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  I mean, I've already I think we both made our thoughts clear.
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  We want Scott to, if not Scott than the axe to the face because
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  I think that I also rewrote the X to the face one because it was
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  still Busta Rhymes. Carried her out at the end I
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  want. At him, I want her to carry bust
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  a rhyme out after. Yeah, I just had a lot of
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  rewrite ideas. That was a, that was a good one
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  though. I don't know if you watch them,
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  I posted them all and the Twitter poll.
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  So if anybody does want to watch them, they're all conveniently
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  listed there including the original so but yeah, I think
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  that that one would have been my second but that's it.
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  That's it for the pole. Alright, so we are done with
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  Halloween shit. Let's talk about some high
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  school shit. Oh boy, today, I asked you.
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  Friends to grab my hand and follow me back too.
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  The hit of the 80. Yes.
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  Yes. We should have taken a picture
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  that last night Prime describes it.
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  Can I pull that up here? Hold on.
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  Probably pull this up, and I'm sorry if this increases your
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  edit time, but I think people need to hear them.
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  Yeah, the way because we watch this on Prime, it's no longer on
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  shutter. It's okay.
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  Daddy. You can still watch the just Joe
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  Bob segments on it though. If you're curious for some
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  behind the scenes, Of. You can also stream it on tube.
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  You're Plex, or you can rent it from through Google play or
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  YouTube. All right.
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  How does prime describe this one?
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  Travis Prime says Winona Ryder. Christian Slater and Shannon do
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  Doherty Doherty star in this cruelly, hilarious, dark comedy,
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  which became one of the biggest cult classics of the 80.
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  Listen, I said it last night and I'm gonna say it again.
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  It was 1989, there was only 180 left, you're making a stretch
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  here, that is saving their asses because I mean, I just read that
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  last night I just bursted out laughing and I was like, holy
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  shit, that's amazing. I love it so much.
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  The 80, the 80 I'm going to start referring.
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  It's like, oh, yeah, I love that 80 movies.
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  Like, what what's your favorite? What?
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  Take the top 80 movie. I'm a sucker for the 80, I love.
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  They deem an age for one special?
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  I love the 80. Yeah, I don't know.
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  I didn't watch th one. I see in high school because
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  we're talking about high school shit and VH1 was a very much
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  High School is VH1 and MTV that type of shit.
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  I was not into any of that stuff.
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  I was more into Cartoon Network. You know?
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  Like I watched that was when tonight.
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  I don't like the finger waggle you did to not like the massage
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  guys, at the mall, has Cartoon Network, something like a little
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  Flair to it. Now, this one Toonami was going
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  on and I was getting my I can my high school anime fix.
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  So yeah. Okay this movie was written by
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  Daniel. Waters directed by Michael lemon
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  music by David Newman, starring Wynona Ryder is Veronica.
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  Christian Slater is JD Kim Walker as Heather Chandler,
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  Shannen Doherty, is Heather Duke and Le's stanfalk as other
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  McNamara, I promise I said, fuck not fuck.
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  Okay so it came I'm out March, 31st 1989, do you think this is
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  budget or but could they got some names here?
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  I'm thinking budget. You're wrong.
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  Really? Bug bug.
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  Bug had three million. Wow, only three million.
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  That's a crazy cult classic indeed, because it's gross at
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  the time was only one point 1 million.
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  Wow. However, it currently stands at
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  a 7.2 on IMDb, 7.2 rating. Yeah, I can see that.
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  Okay. I picked with my heart instead
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  of what makes for good comparisons for other other
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  budget movies from this year, the 80?
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  Yeah. Of the ad.
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  I chose to movies that are very much not mainstream.
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  Okay. So June 21st 1989 Society
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  premiered in London. Oh yeah.
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  Because we talked about that and I get very similar vibes.
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  They're both like high school movies, although that one Focus
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  as a while. I was on the high school
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  aspects. Yeah.
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  That had a budget of a bug head of two million, okay?
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  And I could not find any information on box all that's
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  crazy. That that had a lower budget but
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  it was more visually impressive because I had relied a lot more.
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  I mean, you know the shunting and all kinds of other like
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  weirdness it's happening and this one that's article effects.
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  This one has like Bullet shots and an explosion and the
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  explosion is not even on screen. Exactly.
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  Yeah. So I don't know.
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  But Society stands at six point five out of ten and IMDb, that
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  sounds good. That's good.
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  That's a good movie. Yeah, it's go into it with an
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  open mind. Don't read anything about it.
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  We're going to cover that out. Definitely, if you have an
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  appointment, it's body horror. I'm going to throw that out
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  there. That's about as much as I can
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  say without giving anything away.
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  Yeah, I mean read the description.
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  I don't even know if that's like super revealing either, but I
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  don't know, but it's worth a watch.
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  And speaking of classic body, horror movies of the 1980s, we
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  have Ted swell Iron Man. Oh yeah, came out, July 1st.
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  1980 Madeline's bug Ted 17,000. Yeah, that one is a really
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  interesting one that I also want to talk about some point.
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  It's a wild movie. Apparently, like he, I got on a
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  little bit of a tangent was getting this information but
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  apparently, he's like, spare TV parts to create some of the
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  like, Iron Man. Uh, facts.
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  Yeah. I mean in that movie is shot in
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  black and white. Yeah, I mean it works to its
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  benefit but it's so visually impressive for something that
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  was made so cheaply. Like that is a really that movie
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  is just bizarre but it hits ya like it, you feel it.
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  And it's another one that I couldn't find the gross for.
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  But I honestly, I felt with these two movies that it was
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  better to just compare budgets to see what they did on their
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  budget. Yeah.
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  And think about how it Compares with others.
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  This one also has a six point nine out of ten on IMDb right
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  now that one if people are rating it and they've watched
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  it. And if you're ever like at the
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  point in your life, where you were looking for that type of
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  movie, you're going to be ready for it.
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  That's kind of how I feel about Society.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yes.
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  Okay tagline only one. Only one.
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  Okay. Best friends.
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  Social trends and occasional murder.
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  I like that. I think that's pretty good.
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  Okay. I wish it would have crossed a
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  little bit a bit snarky. ER, yeah, because it's a very
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  snarky movie. It's a very witty movie.
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  Yeah. But that's not bad.
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  I mean, I'm just, I mean, we just had Halloween resurrection.
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  We actually we've had a lot of Halloween's Here over the past
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  few weeks. So I'm kind of like I have all
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  that. Yeah, how I mean, as a prime
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  example of how not to write a tagline, they're just so bad at
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  it. Yes.
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  I don't understand how it was such a highly revered franchise
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  can be. So So bad at tangle.
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  I know. But they have so many, it's a
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  thing. And that one right there, they
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  had one that I like, that's a. Yeah.
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  They're like, let's not waste any more time on it.
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  Yeah. All right.
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  So I got a lot of my information from the oral history of
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  Heather's. Published on Entertainment.
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  Weekly.com, okay, what's that? I mean who did that?
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  Like they got a bunch of different members of the cast
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  and crew talking about their memories on set.
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  Okay, that's cool. Yeah so we're gonna Rider loves
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  those movie, she watches that whenever it's on screen she gets
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  like she says that it's to the point where she forgets that
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  she's actually in the movie. She's just obsessed with the
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  movie itself. And she almost wasn't even
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  casting it. She was like, their third
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  choice, they weren't really sure that they wanted her, she was
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  just coming off of being Lydia on Beetlejuice, and she had that
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  like bluish black hair and so she went to Macy's and got a
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  makeover to make her more convincing as her own defense
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  lawyer. The very first line that Daniel
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  Rodriguez wrote was you can't use that knife.
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  It's filthy, that was a very first one.
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  The very first line of the script he wrote.
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  What when does that happen in the movie near the end when JD
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  is going to kill Heather Duke? Okay, I remember that now.
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  Yeah, so he wrote this because at the time Plano Texas had been
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  declared like the teen suicide capital of the country which
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  what a bummer. Our statistic.
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  Yeah, where he's from. I don't, I'm assuming remember,
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  maybe not. But he just, he said that he saw
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  all of these different documentaries, about teenage
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  suicide and that, in a way, it kind of romanticized, everything
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  and had everybody talking about the names of these teens.
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  Yeah. And he was like, does nobody see
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  any kind of irony in that at all?
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  So he took that and then he thought about all the John
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  Hughes movies that are going on and he was like What if we had a
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  John Hughes movie but written And directed by Stanley Kubrick.
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  And that was the kind of vibe he was going for.
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  See, I hear the name John Hughes but I don't know what Pretty
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  Pretty in Pink. Okay, Sixteen Candles.
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  I'm not familiar with any of those.
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  Yeah, I know. But yeah, that's okay.
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  Yeah sure. Stanley Kubrick is strong.
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  I remember why. I mean we had like the just just
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  Joe Bob thing on just so we can have like a little bit of stuff.
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  Yeah and I mean this guy they said that this guy is like what
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  21 when he wrote this. This right?
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  I was like this is really just want to twenties and I'm
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  assuming he didn't have anything done beforehand.
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  So he's like going out strong at the gate like yeah.
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  Stanley Kubrick is going to direct this movie.
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  Like this guy is like an intense director.
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  Whose I think by this point, has like established himself very
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  well in Hollywood. Well, I don't think he would
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  have put up with Shannen Doherty shit.
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  Why? Well, Recollections of her are
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  mixed. Which one is she?
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  Heather Duke. See.
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  Okay. They're all named Heather in
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  this movie and I second-in-command.
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  Okay, I just have them as a, in my nose.
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  I just like real, like, are Hy H + GH, but kind of good Hank, you
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  know, like from King of the Hill, but like, you know, green
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  leather, yellow leather red, Heather, green, Heather, yellow
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  leather? Yeah.
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  Okay. So yeah, I did.
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  Heather, Heather to another three.
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  Okay, so GH was a Pain in the ass.
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  Yeah, so she she's like a child star.
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  She did Little House on the Prairie issues.
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  Apparently risen, a very conservative household had a lot
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  of trouble with the language on this set.
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  At one point, she was supposed to reuse Heather Chandler's,
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  fuck me. Gently with a chainsaw line and
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  she wouldn't say it, she has to say it why I agreed to do this
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  movie then because I mean this is on paper, this movie is like
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  Well everybody's pretty sure that she did not realize what
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  kind of maybe this was really. Yeah.
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  I can interviews like nowadays, she's like, oh yeah, it's such a
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  great movie. I'm super proud of it.
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  Super funny black comedy, but like, at the time, like, she's
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  took herself very, very seriously and she like super
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  stuck up now still, I don't know.
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  I really don't know a lot about her.
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  I don't really watch anything else is too dirty in it so I
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  don't know. Yeah, but yeah.
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  So cast member reception to her was a little bit like, you know,
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  Wynonna was very kind to her in. This interview and and like well
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  yeah, of course, she's going to say nowadays but she thinks it's
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  really funny. She doesn't want to look like an
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  idiot. She's got the movie.
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  I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but that response.
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  Yeah. And Kerry Lynn who plays Martha
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  done stock. It was just like, you know, how
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  sometimes you get a paper cut and people squeeze lemon into it
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  and it really hurts. Shannen Doherty is the Lemon.
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  Wow. Yeah, and people don't know.
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  I heard. Yeah.
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  So I don't think Stanley Kubrick would have put up with her shit.
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  No, it's silly humor quitter. Like ruined her life from y, all
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  have heard of him as a director. He would have.
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  Definitely, she probably would have been in the movie and I
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  wasn't quite done with my Wynona Ryder thoughts, but let me
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  finish up my Shannen Doherty stuff real quick while we're
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  here. Okay, they originally wanted her
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  to be blond and she has very dark hair naturally and she's
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  not going. Blond would have damaged it too
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  much, they settled on red, which kind of works out perfectly
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  since she takes over Heather Chandler's role and Heather
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  Chandler is meant to be read as her hair red.
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  Yes, Brown and me. It's a reddish brown.
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  It's like an Auburn. Okay, I did not see any red at
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  all. Okay, they ended up being really
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  glad that they cast Wynona Ryder.
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  They said that she brought do it.
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  I said, yeah, I'm sure yeah. They said she brought a lot of
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  maturity and intellect to the role.
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  He said the way Veronica Sawyer was it originally written.
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  She was more evil and we're like a Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver,
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  really? I don't know how you see that
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  and he said that she She became more of an audience surrogate in
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  her portrayal of Veronica, okay? When they first first had the
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  script and they were trying to get it to a studio and
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  everything, the production phase and all that, they did an
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  informal read through with Dana Delany and Brad Pitt.
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  Oh, because he was going to be JD, right?
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  You know he just did a read-through.
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  Oh, just for the hell yeah. Okay.
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  Yeah. So they wanted a heather gray.
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  I'm for Heather Chandler, but her parents, absolutely refused.
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  They worked very hard, to try, and convince her parents that
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  the they weren't satanic and it wasn't a satanic movie, but they
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  weren't buying it. Kent Walker, was dating,
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  Christian Slater at the time and they were like, well, she
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  doesn't have a lot of experience, but we can try.
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  So, Heather Graham's parents were super protective and then
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  she went on to make the movies that she did.
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  So, okay, let's see. Kerry Lynn at the time was doing
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  stand-up Carolyn. He does Martha done stock.
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  She was, they wanted to Find somebody who I'm just going to
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  who's fat. Yeah.
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  They kept bringing in actresses who were like a little bit
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  chubby but they were just like this isn't, this isn't how this
• 20:05
  character needs to be and Kerry. Lynn was like I'm pretty sure I
• 20:07
  came out of the womb obese like she was like, and those were her
• 20:10
  exact words. She was like, I understand what
• 20:11
  it's like to be made fun of it's like, where else are you gonna
• 20:14
  find a 400-pound comedian to come in and comedians have thick
• 20:18
  skin? Yeah, I guess I'm do that.
• 20:21
  I've always wondered about that. Like, when with movies, like If
• 20:24
  your cast to be that person, like, how does that feel?
• 20:27
  You know, I can't be good. Yeah, I guess she, it sounds
• 20:31
  like she embraced it. At least, that's good for her at
• 20:33
  least. Yeah, they shot this in 33 days.
• 20:39
  They the line. Fuck me gently with a chainsaw.
• 20:42
  Is actually a line that he borrowed from a friend who used
• 20:45
  to say, fuck me gently with a crowbar, but he thought crowbar
• 20:48
  was too masculine. And Chainsaw was more feminine.
• 20:51
  What I do? That doesn't make any sense.
• 20:57
  But okay. Basically, that's a weird line,
• 20:59
  though. He also had a couple other
• 21:01
  planned endings one. That the studio absolutely would
• 21:05
  not allow him to do is that JD succeeds and blowing up the
• 21:07
  whole school, everybody dies and they have prom in heaven.
• 21:11
  I kind of like that. yeah, I don't know because it I feel
• 21:20
  like this ending the one that we get, ya is a Bleeker but also
• 21:29
  more grounded in the reality of the movie.
• 21:33
  Is this one, is this a bleak ending that we get?
• 21:35
  Because, I mean, the guy that wants to kill everybody, blows
• 21:40
  up all by himself and Veronica goes and just takes away the
• 21:44
  power, from Green, Heather, and goes and becomes friends with
• 21:49
  Martha. It does like some six spins
• 21:51
  around Veronica along the way and then it's like, whoa, we're
• 21:55
  not quite there yet. So here's the other ending but
• 21:59
  he said he wished he'd had the ability for the courage or
• 22:04
  whatever to do. I don't remember exactly.
• 22:06
  I listed it but at the end when Veronica asked her if she wants
• 22:10
  to go hang out or whatever, that Martha stabs her in the stomach
• 22:15
  and says fuck you Heather and then Veronica's rolling around
• 22:18
  on the ground saying I'm not Heather.
• 22:20
  Either that would have been awesome actually.
• 22:23
  Yeah, I really like that ending Dan.
• 22:25
  They should have done that. So one, other fun fact, how do
• 22:31
  you I'm sorry. How do you go for you?
• 22:34
  Go in the opposite direction. Like, instead of her like
• 22:38
  zapping, you're the guy. She like, gets on her little
• 22:40
  scooter and it's just like doing doughnuts around Veronica like I
• 22:43
  don't know. Okay.
• 22:45
  They're becoming best friends are gonna go watch some movies
• 22:47
  together. Yeah they're gonna go read the
• 22:49
  new releases. Yeah.
• 22:50
  Okay. This sorry it's just weird.
• 22:52
  That that's it. They went the complete opposite
• 22:54
  direction with it. So Daniel waters, no relation to
• 22:58
  John Waters. Okay, by the way.
• 23:00
  But he does have a brother Mark Waters.
• 23:03
  You want to know a very well-known movie that Mark
• 23:07
  waters, went on to direct. Yeah, Mean Girls.
• 23:12
  Really super influence. Yeah.
• 23:16
  Yeah. I could see that.
• 23:18
  Yeah. So I think that's kind of,
• 23:20
  that's it. Fun little tiny because
• 23:21
  everybody always says like Mean, Girls wouldn't exist without
• 23:23
  Heather's. Yeah.
• 23:25
  And it probably wouldn't, but, and Daniel waters is very much.
• 23:30
  He's like, Not for nothing. I mean they do have some dark
• 23:34
  humor in the but it's a lot more in the John Hughes world than
• 23:38
  the Mean Girls. Yeah.
• 23:39
  Yeah it's not as like fucked up. Yeah.
• 23:43
  Yeah. So those are all my fun facts
• 23:46
  mostly because I ran out of space on my sheet of paper but I
• 23:49
  really love this movie and I'm very excited to talk about it.
• 23:54
  Okay, what is your rating Travis?
• 23:57
  All right. I think that I would give this
• 24:00
  one an 8 and a half eight Yeah, because I do think it is a very
• 24:03
  good movie. It's is an interesting.
• 24:08
  It's an interesting look into like high school, I guess and
• 24:11
  just all that stuff and suicide. Because the the way that they
• 24:16
  talk about that, like I mean it was a sensitive subject but like
• 24:19
  they're not wrong. Like when people glorify these
• 24:21
  things like it, just kind of encourages people to do it
• 24:24
  themselves and I kind of like them.
• 24:27
  You can't get the Nuance required to seriously, talk
• 24:30
  about suicide. In a, 30-second news clip.
• 24:33
  I like the characters even though Christian Slater's doing
• 24:39
  a Jack Nicholson impression the entire time, I kind of like him
• 24:43
  and Veronica's Dynamic throughout the entire thing,
• 24:47
  which Wynona Ryder had a huge crush on him.
• 24:49
  Oh really. Yes.
• 24:50
  I think that helped with some of the chemistry.
• 24:52
  Yeah. Because they did a great job
• 24:53
  together. It was just a lot of fun.
• 24:55
  So yeah in half. I like it a lot.
• 24:58
  This should come as no surprise to you but um yeah.
• 25:01
  It's a 10 out of 10. Yeah, no notes.
• 25:05
  Oh yeah, okay. I mean, I remember you, you were
• 25:09
  wanting the watch, this one with me at some point and then they
• 25:13
  covered it on Jo Bob, it's like, oh okay.
• 25:15
  We're just going to do this now. So, yeah.
• 25:18
  I've been trying to convince you to watch it and I didn't have
• 25:21
  liked a good way of explaining it.
• 25:22
  So it was like, I never really sold you on it on my own.
• 25:28
  It's one of those ones that you just kind of have to jump into.
• 25:30
  Yeah. And it's another one of those
• 25:33
  ones where you're like Is it whore?
• 25:36
  Kind of this some horrifying subject, it's very dark, very
• 25:42
  dark black humor for water. What of murdering in this?
• 25:46
  A lot of killing but it tone-wise, it doesn't come
• 25:52
  across as one. But, you know, it is close
• 25:56
  enough. I mean, you know, it's, it's one
• 25:59
  of those that allow it. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:01
  Because like yeah, I mean whatever.
• 26:03
  Yeah. And I really do like the because
• 26:06
  it should be something that is like horrifying to watch because
• 26:10
  they just talk about suicide. So relentlessly.
• 26:13
  Yeah, it it's so obviously satire that like you get what
• 26:21
  they're actually saying. It's not condoning suicide but
• 26:24
  it's more. It's a condemnation of society.
• 26:29
  Yeah. I mean especially like with like
• 26:32
  the song like they have people like riding like hit like pop
• 26:35
  songs. Abouts teenage suicide.
• 26:37
  Don't do it. Yeah.
• 26:37
  Exactly. Like it's just making fun of it.
• 26:40
  Yeah. All right.
• 26:41
  So what's our score 9.5 9.25 starting average.
• 26:46
  Cabbage is very good. Okay, I almost did that in my
• 26:48
  head. You did, you did really good.
• 26:52
  That was wrong, you were wrong, but that's okay.
• 26:54
  Thanks your, you know, I was doing the best.
• 26:58
  Yeah, flyball Titan. Okay.
• 27:03
  We start off, slow motion pan through a garden as que sera
• 27:09
  Blaze, and we see three young. Ladies.
• 27:12
  Stand up and walk in unison and they hit their Coke.
• 27:16
  Okay, balls. And they're all dressed in
• 27:18
  colors that match their croquet balls and ballots.
• 27:23
  I know dick about croquet what I know about croquet comes from
• 27:28
  this movie and Disney's Alice in Wonderland, that's it.
• 27:32
  I had a croquet set as a kid growing up and I didn't really
• 27:36
  know how to play. I was just like, hit it through
• 27:38
  the Hoops. So that's just all I did was
• 27:40
  just like, all right, I did, I hit it through the who I feel
• 27:43
  like there's deeper Like commentary that's happening in
• 27:48
  the croquet games. If you are familiar with
• 27:50
  croquet, possibly, I mean, isn't it just kind of like just to
• 27:55
  show status, just like how they are.
• 27:58
  I don't know. Like, I mean, normal people
• 28:00
  don't really play croquet. Mmm.
• 28:02
  So essentially it's worth mentioning that this movie takes
• 28:06
  place in Sherwood. Oh, Ohio.
• 28:08
  Yeah, very Midwest, which I think is the perfect place for
• 28:13
  this too. Happen.
• 28:16
  Yeah. What movie was it there there
• 28:18
  were talking about. So, this one's at prom also
• 28:21
  happens to have covered Heather's recently, and they
• 28:25
  kept comparing it to some other movie.
• 28:27
  And I can't remember what it was.
• 28:29
  No another movie similar premise, but it takes place in
• 28:32
  La and they're like, it's just a lot harder to relate to that,
• 28:35
  because a lot of people don't live in cities.
• 28:37
  Like La. They you know the general
• 28:40
  population is going to be a lot more familiar with a town like
• 28:42
  Sherwood. Oh Ohio, yeah.
• 28:45
  I definitely feel that because I mean they have like you know,
• 28:48
  it's rural kind of but still I mean, just small town.
• 28:54
  Yeah, type stuff. Yeah.
• 28:55
  Yeah so they're playing and then we see like Veronica's head like
• 29:02
  she's buried in the ground and they're hitting the croquet
• 29:04
  balls at her head. That was weird watching that for
• 29:06
  the first time because I'm like oh okay, like like is this real?
• 29:11
  But this is a dream, right? I think so she's like writing in
• 29:16
  her diary so we got a lot of VoiceOver narration from
• 29:19
  Veronica throughout this movie where she's writing in her
• 29:21
  diary. Yeah, we see her in the school
• 29:25
  hallway, like writing in her diary and Heather duke or H2 in
• 29:33
  my notes or GH in yours. Yeah, the green Heather.
• 29:38
  Yeah. So we'll go ahead and cover the
• 29:41
  colors right now. Real quick.
• 29:42
  Okay, so Heather Chandler. Head, Heather.
• 29:45
  She is red. She's always red, that's her
• 29:47
  color. It's she's got her big red
• 29:50
  scrunchie. It's, it's a status thing for
• 29:52
  her. Yeah.
• 29:53
  We've got Heather Duke, who's Green, Green With Envy, and then
• 30:01
  we've got Heather McNamara, yellow cowardly, yes.
• 30:04
  Okay. And then we've got Veronica
• 30:07
  who's black and blue? Was that supposed to symbolize?
• 30:11
  What does blue, symbolize something?
• 30:12
  Because I know Red Power. I think it's more, like, her
• 30:15
  being bullied around when she saw black and blue.
• 30:19
  Okay, that's how I interpret it. But yeah, well, if you need
• 30:23
  anything to like a company, this help you.
• 30:26
  Just think of the Powerpuff Girls, dude, do you think this
• 30:30
  is what I did? I mean, I mean, red, I mean,
• 30:33
  yellow is Princess, you know, the random one that tries to be
• 30:37
  a Powerpuff girl, but you get the red green blue and yellow.
• 30:41
  So yeah, so Heather Duke comes up and I was like, Heather
• 30:50
  Chandler. Need you to come to the cafe
• 30:52
  thick. So they all just call each other
• 30:53
  Heather. Yeah.
• 30:55
  Which is what makes it kind of confusing.
• 30:57
  Yeah. Greg.
• 30:58
  There's no distinguishing who is who by dialogue, but I love it
• 31:04
  because they say it like completely straight faced.
• 31:07
  No hint of irony in it at all, when they're talking to each
• 31:10
  other, and it's fun. Do you think that this formed
• 31:12
  because that they were all named Heather or did it just kind of
• 31:16
  like Happen. I think it just kind of happened
• 31:18
  because they did bring Veronica into the group.
• 31:20
  Yeah, and I don't understand why she is part of this group
• 31:23
  because she is it's worth another Chandler.
• 31:29
  Picked her, for whatever reason, she invited her into the click.
• 31:32
  But she just doesn't really, I mean, it is so clear in this
• 31:36
  movie that she doesn't really gel with them, but like, there's
• 31:38
  just none of them liked each other.
• 31:40
  Yeah, I know. But like, Veronica is one of
• 31:42
  those that you would think, would not be in.
• 31:46
  Influenced by these people like she's supposed to be this really
• 31:49
  smart person, but maybe it's just like everybody caves to
• 31:53
  like the peer pressure of like, you know, I want to stuff in
• 31:56
  high school. You always say you're not going
• 31:58
  to be that type of person but then when the opportunity comes,
• 32:00
  it's hard. Not to yeah.
• 32:03
  Steve. Yeah.
• 32:06
  So Heather Chandler. Needs Veronica to forge.
• 32:09
  A note to Martha done stock who they call Martha dumptruck.
• 32:12
  Yeah. Saying it's from Kurt and that
• 32:14
  he's got a crush on her and she's like, Be funny because
• 32:17
  Veronica can copy. Basically, everybody's
• 32:19
  handwriting. Yeah.
• 32:20
  So they end up dropping that on her tray at then they have to do
• 32:25
  their lunchtime. Poll the lunchtime poll.
• 32:27
  By the way, is you are word award awarded you're given five
• 32:34
  million over 5 million Publishers Clearing House.
• 32:36
  Yes, they God gives a check and Aliens happen to win and say
• 32:43
  that they're going to blow up the world in two days.
• 32:45
  What would you do? Yeah, so there we cut to a bunch
• 32:48
  of different people answering it.
• 32:49
  It's a bit of an argument between Heather and Veronica for
• 32:53
  a minute because she's like, why can't we ever talked to other
• 32:55
  groups of people and Heather's like, you know?
• 32:59
  Yeah, so she's only pulling like a certain.
• 33:01
  Yeah, people. Yeah, yeah.
• 33:04
  And like, at one point, we see Veronica stops duck to Betty.
• 33:06
  Finn, it's like sorry. I missed your birthday party and
• 33:09
  Betty was like, yeah, I found some old photos of us together
• 33:12
  so you can see that she like kind of ditched her old friends.
• 33:16
  She joined the click. Yeah, and Betty is Molly from
• 33:19
  sleep-wake. Yeah, Renee Estevez.
• 33:20
  Yeah, I was super shocked Somali.
• 33:23
  Yeah, it's cool. I go, I like her character in
• 33:25
  this suit. Yeah, it's a good job.
• 33:28
  So then they end up going around asking other people.
• 33:31
  The question when we get, like this Montage of different
• 33:34
  answers and I want to see my favorite one is the guy that was
• 33:37
  talking about getting a remote control bomb and sticking it up
• 33:41
  a lion's. But from the zoo and then he
• 33:43
  pulls the line up and then they just chill in heaven.
• 33:45
  I want to hear more. Yeah, that one is just kind of
• 33:49
  like put in there and Snippets. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Martha at this point has gone over to Kurt shows him the note
• 33:58
  and she gets embarrassed already laughs her and she runs off and
• 34:01
  just it doesn't feel good and Veronica.
• 34:04
  Clearly doesn't feel good about it and Heather's like you wanted
• 34:07
  to be a part of the most powerful, click at Westerberg.
• 34:10
  Hi. You used to have a sense of
• 34:12
  humor so it also makes me think that maybe Veronica was a little
• 34:15
  bit more kids a see in the beginning.
• 34:17
  Yeah and she's kind of like coming around now but also
• 34:19
  during all of this to she has made eye contact with Jason Dean
• 34:24
  who is Christian Slater's character, he's in the corner,
• 34:26
  he just kind of like silently judging the entire time.
• 34:29
  It's kind of given like Christian Slater looks, that's
• 34:31
  the best way I can describe their kind of I fucking each
• 34:34
  other. They are.
• 34:35
  Yeah. He's like super into her and
• 34:37
  she's, you know, definitely given it back but then he sees
• 34:40
  that and then he just kind of like tosses his hands up.
• 34:42
  Like, why the fuck would you do that?
• 34:43
  Hmm, we see them in the bathroom and we have this whole bit where
• 34:48
  Veronica is helping Heather Duke, throw her food back up,
• 34:51
  Heather Duke puke. There's and bulimia.
• 34:54
  So 1987 Heather. She's like, come on.
• 34:58
  Let's go ahead. Let's see today's lunch again
• 35:00
  and then it's a beautiful cut back to the cafeteria of the
• 35:03
  trays being straight into the trash.
• 35:05
  Can at this point, Veronica goes over to ask JD the lunchtime
• 35:11
  poll and it's worth noting that curtain Ram who are two
• 35:15
  homophobic douche jogs. Yeah, and the homophobia is like
• 35:18
  very important to their storyline.
• 35:20
  They had been talking about wanting to get a Heather
• 35:23
  Veronica sandwich. Yeah, the very objectifying
• 35:27
  conversation and they see Veronica and JD flirting.
• 35:30
  And then they get mad and they go over to confront him but not
• 35:34
  before slamming about twenty four cartons of carnation milk.
• 35:39
  You should not every psychos. Yes, exactly.
• 35:44
  Exactly. The checks out one.
• 35:46
  Yes, like, literally, I can't, it kills me every time I watch.
• 35:52
  I forget. How much milk is on the table
• 35:55
  until it cuts to them about, to go over and threaten JD?
• 35:59
  And then I'm a why is there so much God?
• 36:01
  That that is like a week's worth of a cow's milk production right
• 36:05
  there? I can't these guys love cows.
• 36:08
  We see some more cow action later on in the movie.
• 36:10
  I don't know. I want to see them when they're
• 36:12
  tipping. The cows lie.
• 36:13
  Also just legs. Oh, man, we got again.
• 36:25
  Nice, little fucked up. Big story going on for them
• 36:27
  here. I'm loving it anyway.
• 36:30
  JD is not intimidated by them, and he actually pulls out a gun
• 36:34
  and starts firing, but we find out in a cut to the next scene
• 36:38
  that it was blanks. That scene.
• 36:39
  When it first happened, I remember, I like was, yeah,
• 36:43
  right there. Travis, you were what?
• 36:45
  Yeah, what the fuck. Like, he just pulls out a gun.
• 36:48
  Just a boom. Boom.
• 36:49
  Like right away. Like this is how we're starting
• 36:51
  the movie honestly. I I mean, I like that as a fake
• 36:54
  out, but like just having that happen right there to would have
• 36:57
  been like holy shit. Okay.
• 36:58
  We're in for a ride and I still get that since with that right
• 37:01
  there too. I guess it's a way to like, keep
• 37:04
  you like into it. So, here's something that I
• 37:08
  learned about croquet. Apparently, if you do a thing, a
• 37:12
  certain way, you can either take two shots or you can take
• 37:15
  somebody else out. I don't know what it means to
• 37:17
  take somebody out. I'm just going based off of the
• 37:19
  dialogue and Heather Duke asked, Heather.
• 37:23
  Chandler. She's gonna take the two shots
• 37:25
  or get her out. Heather Chandler was like, don't
• 37:27
  you ever think and then she knocks her croquet ball way on
• 37:31
  the other side of the fountain because the Sawyer's are fucking
• 37:35
  loaded. Yeah.
• 37:37
  This is Veronica's house. Yeah.
• 37:39
  And then Heather Duke makes a really impressive trick shot.
• 37:43
  You're kind of like okay cool. Good for you girl and then
• 37:46
  Heather Chandler immediately takes her back out.
• 37:49
  This is it's also Ralph. Yeah.
• 37:52
  Um it's Dinnertime. So Veronica's parents ask about
• 37:55
  prom and dad is like, why do I read these goddamn spy novels?
• 38:01
  This is because you're an idiot goes.
• 38:02
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I love their Dynamic.
• 38:06
  Yeah, time that they have these little conversation so it feels
• 38:09
  like almost like home life. For her is Purgatory because
• 38:13
  like every time, they like convene, right here at this
• 38:15
  table and they have basically the same conversation over and
• 38:18
  over again because he has the same thing with cigarettes later
• 38:20
  on too. Yeah.
• 38:21
  And the mom every single times like you, You too.
• 38:25
  Like, I don't know if that's supposed to mean anything, but I
• 38:28
  enjoy watching it because I just like the daggone.
• 38:30
  Oh yeah, you're right. I am an idiot.
• 38:32
  Hey, like honestly, he's got some standout lines on this.
• 38:36
  Maybe I think the favorite of mine is I don't patronize
• 38:39
  bunnies. Yeah, yeah, that is one of the
• 38:43
  best characters even though he's barely in it.
• 38:47
  She says great Pattaya mom but I got a motor if I'm gonna make
• 38:51
  that party which again Again is a line that she will use again,
• 38:54
  and again. Hmm, she's that's like mine,
• 38:57
  like I got to Mosey. Let's Mosey and I'm, he's not
• 39:03
  exaggerating folks, he really does.
• 39:04
  Say let's Mosey most of the time, it's a good one.
• 39:10
  So Heather is taking Veronica's in her first Remington parties.
• 39:14
  It's a college party. She apparently is like a big
• 39:18
  rite of passage and the Heather's click.
• 39:20
  Oh, and another gross thing that Row row, row vent to this.
• 39:25
  It's like back when they were playing croquet, they were
• 39:29
  talking about Veronica. Mike kind of showing interest in
• 39:33
  JD and there I thought you said you were done with high school
• 39:36
  guys so I don't know. They're like I mean they're high
• 39:40
  schoolers and they're like all are they all like dating college
• 39:44
  kids or something? Because like I know Heather like
• 39:46
  the red Heather. She's got this party going
• 39:49
  because she's dating a college guy like, which is gross to
• 39:52
  think. About.
• 39:57
  So here's the thing. Heather Chandler is very
• 40:00
  self-aware. She she understands her social
• 40:04
  status. Yeah, she's like I'm a junior
• 40:06
  and I've already got this much power.
• 40:07
  Everybody either wants to be my friend or they want to fuck me.
• 40:10
  Yeah, yeah. Like she knows exactly what game
• 40:13
  she's playing. And she's decided that she, you
• 40:16
  know, there's some people that are like really built for like
• 40:19
  corporate business life or whatever.
• 40:20
  Some people are really driven enough to be a doctor.
• 40:24
  Like, I feel like it takes a certain type of person to be a
• 40:26
  Type of way and she is the type of person that can handle what
• 40:30
  it takes to be mega-popular. Yeah, I guess.
• 40:34
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 40:37
  I feel like Veronica. Only said that she doesn't like
• 40:41
  high school guys because you know, we see dum-dums like
• 40:45
  curtain RAM and she just doesn't want to be hooked up with them.
• 40:47
  Yeah. But they're like normal people
• 40:49
  to like well I don't really know who I was, we gotta get creepy
• 40:54
  Pete, that lies about having gone on dates with.
• 40:56
  Heather, after she dies. Oh yeah, that's weird.
• 40:59
  But like, I mean, I guess we don't really aside from my
• 41:02
  current, and what's the other two?
• 41:04
  Same ram ram. Like we don't really meet any of
• 41:09
  the other dudes aside from JD, like none of them, get flushed
• 41:13
  out, I guess you should say it. But I don't, I can also see her
• 41:16
  trying to like, you know, not being tired of people like that
• 41:20
  too. Or she's also just trying to
• 41:22
  conform with the group, she's in.
• 41:24
  Yeah. So They stopped at a gas station
• 41:27
  on the way to the party Heller wants coordinates coordinates.
• 41:32
  What's the deal of corn? But they're not cool and they're
• 41:36
  not sir. We got into a little Seinfeld
• 41:39
  bit whenever we were watching this last night and I don't know
• 41:42
  what happened. Remember, how Seinfeld came up
• 41:45
  but we just started doing it because I was doing ocean.
• 41:48
  I was doing my Christian Slater, doing Jack Nicholson and
• 41:53
  pressuring sounded like Jerry Seinfeld.
• 41:57
  What's the deal with coordinates?
• 42:02
  So while she's at the gas station, she sees JD they talked
• 42:05
  for a little bit and they they kind of bonded over the fact
• 42:10
  that they both hate Veronica's friend group.
• 42:13
  She's like it's like it's like they're people that I work with
• 42:15
  in our job is to be popular. Which I mean from the way that
• 42:18
  they are doing it they are kind of treating it like it's so job.
• 42:22
  Yeah. So I ramming Tintin, we get All
• 42:26
  this through flash, like bits of flashbacks as Veronica's writing
• 42:30
  in her diary and what we're getting from the diary is that
• 42:34
  she wishes. Heather Chandler was dead.
• 42:36
  She wants to take her out and she was like and I know
• 42:39
  tomorrow, I will be kissing her ass but tonight I just want to
• 42:42
  dream of a world without Heather Chandler.
• 42:44
  Yeah. So it happen.
• 42:45
  The Remington party is that these guys are gross.
• 42:49
  Yep. It's red.
• 42:51
  Heather's boyfriend. Who I guess?
• 42:54
  They were like oh yeah. We'll bring Veronica.
• 42:56
  She would totally like, get with you.
• 42:59
  Yeah. I try and arrange that, and this
• 43:04
  guy's a line, whenever he's trying to talk to her, he's
• 43:07
  like, he's bad at flirting. He's like, yeah, it's so nice,
• 43:10
  not to just ask what your major is.
• 43:12
  So what do you think? We majoring in, what do you
• 43:15
  think you're going to stay with the college?
• 43:16
  Oh yeah, this guy's a loser. Yeah, so is Heather's boyfriend
• 43:21
  because like he's me like babe, I'm so horny and then like
• 43:25
  pushes her face down into his dick.
• 43:27
  Yeah, that's gross. But I think it's hilarious that
• 43:30
  like it, the camera. I slowly pans up and it's like
• 43:32
  that picture of the guy in the chair getting like Blown Away by
• 43:35
  like the music or whatever. I'm like, this is my blowjob
• 43:38
  chair and it blows own is gross, but I can see this guy being
• 43:46
  like they have this were again them and then his friend comes
• 43:50
  to Veronica and he was like, hey, baby, how about some fuck?
• 43:54
  And she's like, I've got a little speech reserved for my
• 43:57
  suitors when they want to go farther than I'm comfortable
• 44:00
  which like calm down. You know, remember how I said
• 44:03
  Lydia was like way too dramatic and trying too hard to
• 44:05
  Beetlejuice. You know, I'm girl, maybe maybe
• 44:09
  is just a Winona Ryder thing. Like, people like, can't get her
• 44:12
  to tone it down like Jesus, like play your character.
• 44:15
  Well, we're off Wynonna. You're lying.
• 44:18
  Here is just know. She's like, who the fuck told
• 44:22
  her about a speech? What the hell is this coming
• 44:26
  from? But the guy just like, he's
• 44:28
  like, I'm not even listening and she was like, you don't deserve
• 44:31
  my fucking speech, which I do like that.
• 44:33
  Well, okay. This guy sucks but he's like, I
• 44:35
  just want to get laid and then he gives himself.
• 44:37
  To tell me paths and tell me pads.
• 44:41
  Are they get everything across perfectly?
• 44:44
  Because it's like, oh, okay. He's just, he really is here,
• 44:47
  just to get sex and that's it. I'm never going to be able to
• 44:51
  play Mario Party saying he doesn't care about your speech.
• 45:07
  And before all of this happened to she she was kind of like
• 45:11
  hanging out in their room by herself and she like whites of
• 45:13
  drink on fire and just tosses it out into a trash can out the
• 45:15
  window. Yeah.
• 45:16
  Was she trying to like look for an excuse to get out by like
• 45:19
  starting a fire? Which would you like fucking
• 45:21
  around? Like she's just fucking around.
• 45:22
  Okay. I thought she was trying to like
• 45:23
  stage something so but afterwards she goes and she
• 45:26
  finds Heather and she's like I really don't feel good.
• 45:28
  I need to leave and he's like no, you should.
• 45:31
  You should be so lucky to be here at this party and then
• 45:34
  Veronica throws up everywhere. and they go out in the alley and
• 45:39
  they're fighting and Veronica's like She's a she's saying some
• 45:44
  pretty dangerous things so somebody that she's in theory
• 45:49
  afraid of I just like how she's a you vomited on my shoes and
• 45:52
  she's like lick it up baby and yeah so she's just and how
• 45:59
  there's like I'm going to tell everybody at school.
• 46:01
  What happens? So okay she's ripping a party.
• 46:04
  Cool but I mean is high schools. So I guess all these little like
• 46:09
  failures are Amplified. Sometimes I okay.
• 46:11
  So I Move to Kentucky right before starting sixth grade and
• 46:17
  it was like, in september/october I had a
• 46:20
  stomach virus and I threw up in the cafeteria during lunch and
• 46:23
  everybody saw. And sometimes I wonder how
• 46:25
  different my life would be if that hadn't been one of the
• 46:27
  first impressions that really think you could spill out of me,
• 46:38
  this is one time I was in fourth grade now just sitting at this
• 46:42
  table. I farts.
• 46:45
  Oh wow. That's kept me up.
• 46:49
  And I was so embarrassed. I burst into tears and the girl
• 46:55
  beside me felt so bad. She just pad of her back.
• 47:01
  This is a real thing. My life could have also been
• 47:04
  completely different, but this was for thread, great everybody
• 47:07
  already knew who I was, but nobody knew that I could rip
• 47:09
  them like that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 47:16
  You're ill everything so badly here.
• 47:21
  Telling the story. Yeah, he is.
• 47:29
  It was traumatizing, okay? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 47:41
  Okay. Okay, Randy Becker.
• 47:43
  Huh. I think about the guy that sat
• 47:45
  on the table next to us and our defensive driving class in
• 47:48
  college, he was scared. He was terrified of what my hand
• 47:52
  music. Oh my God, I just farted.
• 47:53
  I think I could be killing. Here is like, that means of the
• 47:57
  kid holding him to sneeze. Yeah.
• 48:01
  It we still talk about us to this day.
• 48:03
  So not to like make you feel paranoid but I guarantee there's
• 48:06
  some nice. I don't care.
• 48:08
  I need you to know there's this kid in fourth grade.
• 48:11
  I just told you. I just told it to so many other
• 48:14
  people here. Everybody knows though, it's
• 48:16
  open. It's out there.
• 48:21
  Do we need to pause student either like okay.
• 48:40
  It's okay. It's okay.
• 48:42
  Oh, okay. So anyway, yeah, that could be
• 48:46
  devastating to Veronica. Okay, I guess I guess.
• 48:54
  Okay. Okay, okay, so let's see what
• 48:58
  happens next. All right, so the next morning
• 49:01
  Dave. Okay JD does the window sneak.
• 49:06
  He crawls up into Veronica's house which how does he know?
• 49:10
  Where she lives right there, not that good.
• 49:13
  They had one conversation during lunch and then he like pretended
• 49:18
  to shoot people and then now he's like climbing into random
• 49:21
  girls window to play strip croquet, which it sounds like a
• 49:24
  fun night. I guess she must have the most
• 49:27
  inattentive parents ever. Kind of.
• 49:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 49:32
  Because that it feels like it happens a lot in this movie.
• 49:35
  Yeah. And people just started.
• 49:36
  I think it's part of the point. Yeah, I guess.
• 49:38
  It's true. Yeah.
• 49:41
  He okay. Basically they come up with a
• 50:05
  plan to sneak into Heather's house to break on her.
• 50:10
  Yeah. She said I'd just really like to
• 50:12
  see, Heather Chandler, puke your guts out.
• 50:13
  Yeah. So, this is also, after ironic
• 50:16
  was like, I'm so smart. She's like, she does entire
• 50:19
  movie, what are you talking about?
• 50:22
  Really talking about how she was a genius, right?
• 50:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:25
  She could have skipped into high school as a kid but she chose
• 50:28
  not to because her parents thought she would have trouble
• 50:30
  finding friends but now she hates the friends that she has.
• 50:33
  Yeah, so the next morning, they go to Heather's house and
• 50:36
  they're going to say that they've got like a hangover cure
• 50:38
  for her, really, they're gonna give her something that will
• 50:40
  make her throw up more. And so Veronica is like, what
• 50:45
  makes people throw up soup and some juice?
• 50:50
  No. Milk and orange juice.
• 50:54
  That does sound bad. But one of the things I might
• 50:56
  throw up, probably not. It would just take a sip of and
• 50:58
  just be like, oh, just sit down. Yeah.
• 51:02
  And then JD's like, what about Drano?
• 51:07
  And she's like, well, no, we're just trying to make her throw up
• 51:10
  or not. Try to kill her and JD's, like,
• 51:12
  I think I fundamentally misunderstood what this was.
• 51:15
  Yeah, he's fully. Like, I don't know how they had
• 51:19
  two completely different conversations after strip Coke a
• 51:22
  croquet, but he's like, all right, we're killing somebody
• 51:24
  tomorrow and she's like, all right, we're making some I throw
• 51:26
  up tomorrow. Yeah yeah, it's very loud.
• 51:30
  Because and pours it anyways. Just like to insist but then
• 51:33
  Veronica's like no, I don't want to kill anybody.
• 51:36
  She'll probably die if she drinks a.
• 51:37
  So she pours the milk and orange juice in there but actually
• 51:41
  grabs the drain instead. Yeah, they have that.
• 51:44
  They use the same cups for both of these and then they JD
• 51:48
  notices in doesn't say anything. Yeah.
• 51:50
  He's about to say something nice like their mind so they get up
• 51:54
  there and I'll urge handlers like yeah, I'm not gonna drink
• 51:59
  that. Obviously you like put phlegm
• 52:01
  Glover's or something and there was like a whole wait, 30
• 52:04
  seconds. Yeah, I'm trying to like high
• 52:06
  Salukis into. It's nice.
• 52:11
  So he ends up being like I knew the stuff would be too intense
• 52:15
  for me and she's like, what you're saying, I'm too chicken
• 52:17
  to drink it. You really think that's going to
• 52:19
  work and he's just going. Hmm.
• 52:20
  And it totally works and mean he played it the right way.
• 52:24
  Yeah, she checks it down and says Nuts and falls into her
• 52:29
  glass table. That's a weird last word.
• 52:31
  Right corn nuts. Yeah.
• 52:33
  Why why do you think she said that?
• 52:35
  I don't know. This is what ever known?
• 52:38
  We'll never know. So, JD and Veronica start to
• 52:43
  panic about this Veronica was like, well, there goes my entire
• 52:46
  future and JD is like what if we make it look like a suicide?
• 52:51
  You can do her handwriting and they have this whole
• 52:54
  conversation about the use of the word Myriad.
• 52:56
  And he's like, no, it's It's emblematic of her failures in
• 52:58
  school because she liked felt it and it spoke at test.
• 53:02
  Yeah, I thought it was like a spelling bee on vocab test test.
• 53:07
  I misspelled the word dynamite in my third, grade spelling bee
• 53:12
  You still remember, that's the same.
• 53:13
  Yeah, I saw the look in your eyes.
• 53:15
  I looked like he like had some real trauma.
• 53:17
  Well, the problem was one of the other third grade teachers had
• 53:20
  something about like her Dynamite class except she had a
• 53:22
  dinosaur with it. So spell Dynomite so like
• 53:25
  dynamite. And so that's how what I've been
• 53:27
  seeing for months. She's really fucked you on that
• 53:32
  one. She did she did not as traumatic
• 53:36
  as fighting again. Nothing whatever to do, man.
• 53:47
  So we got to the principal and teachers, like, debating about
• 53:50
  what to do if they're like she's a super popular student that
• 53:54
  kids need to chance to mourn and he's like a, she's a cheerleader
• 53:58
  and they're like, no. That's Heather McNamara.
• 54:00
  He's like damn, I could do half a day for a cheerleader.
• 54:02
  Just like I love the absurdity of this.
• 54:05
  Like they're talking about the logistics of like how much time
• 54:08
  they can close school for for grieving.
• 54:10
  Yeah. And I love that.
• 54:12
  Oh, sorry. Did you have something?
• 54:13
  No good. I love how they are.
• 54:15
  Like, they end up settling on. One hour like to even like that,
• 54:19
  it's almost more insulting to just.
• 54:21
  So I give it one hour instead of like any other significant
• 54:24
  amount of time. Yeah.
• 54:28
  And then the one teacher is like we need to have an outpouring of
• 54:31
  our feelings and they're all like shut up.
• 54:33
  Yeah. She's like the hippie teachers.
• 54:35
  You have the art teacher or something.
• 54:37
  I don't know what she is. She's got the art teacher.
• 54:39
  She's not good at the stuff. She's doing though art teaching
• 54:43
  or like the baiting with the feeling stuff.
• 54:46
  If she doesn't go about it in a very good way.
• 54:48
  Oh no. No, she, she has a good heart
• 54:50
  but it's definitely misguided. Well, because she okay, so we
• 54:56
  see in the locker, the two remaining, Heather's and
• 54:58
  Veronica are talking. Heather Duke is like eating and
• 55:05
  they're like, oh, do not have the urge to purge because no.
• 55:08
  Yeah. She's feeling pretty good.
• 55:10
  A big chicken wings. She's tosses it behind her back.
• 55:12
  It's really crowded. Why are you just eating chicken
• 55:15
  in a locker room? So my I have so many questions.
• 55:19
  Where does she get that right? Then they just come back from
• 55:21
  lunch or did she have like chicken wings waiting for her?
• 55:23
  In her walker knows real greasy to it was.
• 55:26
  And that's the thing about eating stuff like that like she
• 55:28
  doesn't do anything. She just we used to grease on
• 55:30
  her hands. That's fine.
• 55:32
  I can live with that but like just leaving it on your fingers,
• 55:35
  just like touch everything else. Like you just took her hands
• 55:40
  through her hair and that's nasty.
• 55:45
  And they find it Heather Chandler, Swatch in her locker
• 55:50
  and Heather McNamara, gives it to Veronica.
• 55:53
  And so, she would want you to have this.
• 55:54
  She always said you can accessorize for shit.
• 55:58
  So then that just causes her to go and take a shower with all of
• 56:02
  her clothes on. Yes, she's like morning?
• 56:05
  No. She's well, I mean, she's also
• 56:07
  racked with guilt. Yeah.
• 56:10
  So this is the hippie teacher. I didn't write down her name.
• 56:14
  She passes around Heather suicide, note to the Her assets
• 56:17
  to yeah yeah. That's that's like she doesn't
• 56:21
  go about this. It's like she's got no training
• 56:24
  and counseling her anything she's gonna damage these
• 56:26
  children and it shows by the way they're talking about it,
• 56:30
  they're talking about the details of her murder and Pete's
• 56:32
  lying about having gone on a date with her and when Veronica
• 56:35
  laughs and calls him out for his shit.
• 56:37
  The teachers just like Veronica, that's not appropriate.
• 56:40
  Like it's just, it's this whole thing.
• 56:44
  It's really become like a spectator sport.
• 56:46
  In a way which I think is, you know, obviously your commentary
• 56:49
  of the movies trying to make like who all is killing
• 56:52
  themselves and yeah, it's nothing behind it.
• 56:54
  Yeah. Trying to be like a deeper
• 56:56
  understanding of the they weren't trying to get a deeper
• 56:58
  understanding. It was just gossip.
• 57:00
  Yes, true. Yeah, but because it cuts like
• 57:03
  the Montage of, like, the new stations, picking up all of
• 57:06
  these, like, you know, shots like interviews of these kids
• 57:09
  and everybody's like glorifying Heather, but everybody dude is
• 57:12
  on every yeah, they change the channel and she's just like
• 57:15
  they're giving another bullshit. Didn't it has like one guy lying
• 57:18
  about having dated her which? Yeah, that's fucked up, you
• 57:21
  know? And they realized that highly
• 57:22
  Chandler's more popular now than ever.
• 57:24
  Yeah, and JD's dad comes in and they have like, this whole roll
• 57:28
  reverse. I love that, I love the way they
• 57:30
  talk, but it shows that there's like definitely some damage in
• 57:34
  their relationship. This is something they pointed
• 57:36
  out on this ends at prom is that this is like not uncommon and
• 57:40
  exercise to happen in Family Therapy.
• 57:43
  Oh, really? Yeah, that makes sense.
• 57:45
  Which I thought was kind of an interesting.
• 57:46
  Bin because they're clearly not healthy.
• 57:48
  No, they're not whatever this exercises.
• 57:50
  They're not doing it in a healthy way to, I guess,
• 57:53
  clarify, for people listening who haven't seen it.
• 57:55
  Basically JD is like, whenever his dad walks in hey, son,
• 58:00
  introduce me to your girlfriend. Yeah, they kind of do stuff like
• 58:03
  that and basically they find out that or Veronica finds out that
• 58:09
  JD's dad is like big Ed and like a big.
• 58:13
  He's part of like a big big demolition company that kind of
• 58:16
  Succeeded. The city throughout the country.
• 58:19
  Yeah isn't like construction or something?
• 58:22
  Yeah and he's trying to demolish this hotel.
• 58:27
  That the owner is trying to get claimed as like a historical
• 58:31
  site. So it's this whole debate that
• 58:33
  he's like pissed off about right now.
• 58:35
  Yeah. And then it also gives a little
• 58:38
  bit of like context because Frank was like, well, my mom's
• 58:41
  making me dinner is my favorite spaghetti with extra ringing
• 58:45
  oregano. Yeah.
• 58:46
  And then Then JD's like, whoa, I must be nice to have a mom.
• 58:50
  Then, you know, you'll be tension between him and his dad
• 58:52
  there. I read somewhere online because
• 58:56
  it is the last time I saw her, she was waving out of the
• 58:59
  library window and somebody like had a theory but like she was in
• 59:03
  a building that the dad blew up the know.
• 59:06
  They always say that they say that they say it was an accident
• 59:10
  but she walked into the building two minutes before it.
• 59:14
  Like I miss, you must have because they He JD actually says
• 59:18
  that. He says, like they say it was an
• 59:20
  accident but it's bullshit shoe boys, wave to me two minutes
• 59:23
  before and she walked in like right before that they were
• 59:26
  going to do it. Like I said that was the last I
• 59:28
  saw of her was when she waved at me.
• 59:30
  Okay. Okay.
• 59:31
  But yeah, he knew that she was basically protesting basically
• 59:35
  why her father was doing and also kind of like doing her own
• 59:38
  suicide, who, you know, because, but strangely enough I didn't
• 59:42
  really score fi her. They all just kind of like Said.
• 59:46
  Oh she just it was an accident. Which is kind of interesting,
• 59:51
  right? When you think about it, because
• 59:52
  that's the whole point of this movie is like how they glorify
• 59:54
  suicide. But hers goes unnoticed, and it
• 59:57
  definitely seems to board JD sense of like justice.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah. Um, so, Veronica says great
• 1:00:07
  pets. Hey mom got to go.
• 1:00:08
  Got a motor if I'm going to get ready for that.
• 1:00:10
  Funeral. Oh yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Then I heard dad's like smoking cigarettes.
• 1:00:12
  Like why do I spoke these things?
• 1:00:14
  Because you're an idiot. Oh yeah that's right you too.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah. The pastor does the thing that I
• 1:00:21
  fucking hate at funerals where he tries to use it as an example
• 1:00:26
  to Guilt Trip, people into being more religious.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah, that's not the way to do it.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah, I'm okay with people being religious but like trying to
• 1:00:35
  like scare people or guilt them into doing, it is like at a
• 1:00:37
  funeral. That's not what the point of the
• 1:00:39
  funeral is. Yeah, it's just super
• 1:00:40
  manipulative. God's is my daughter.
• 1:00:43
  I have my funeral to Community Center or some shit.
• 1:00:45
  Like don't. Okay.
• 1:00:47
  Well have it right there with the giant skeleton.
• 1:00:51
  Man. I'm like I've been at funerals
• 1:00:53
  where this has happened and it's like when your morning, it's not
• 1:00:56
  a goodbye. I'm feeling or it's also really
• 1:00:59
  like extra shitty that somebody's like, taking your
• 1:01:02
  death and like, you know, kind of like taking advantage of it.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah. Which is not really the point,
• 1:01:07
  like, the whole point supposed to, like be remembering.
• 1:01:09
  The person, isn't that, the guy, by the way, from Beetlejuice?
• 1:01:15
  That is the one that can communicate with the dead that
• 1:01:17
  they hire. He looks very similar if it's
• 1:01:20
  not him. Remember - I don't look up the
• 1:01:22
  pastor. Okay, well, it looks like him.
• 1:01:25
  Then we have like this great Scene of everybody going up to
• 1:01:28
  the casket to like pray and pay their respects but we hear their
• 1:01:31
  inner monologue and it's just like yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Also if I think my favorite is a ram where he is like God people
• 1:01:38
  are so sensitive these days. Yeah, he's like, he's like
• 1:01:42
  making jokes. He's like not, not really
• 1:01:45
  jae-min and then he's like God, why are you so sensitive again?
• 1:01:48
  It's like he's having like a back-and-forth with Jesus in his
• 1:01:50
  head. Like Jesus is offending.
• 1:01:52
  He's like, why are you so sensitive, bro?
• 1:01:54
  It's really funny. So after the Hero like Heather
• 1:01:58
  McNamara asks, erotica to do a double date with Kurt and RAM.
• 1:02:01
  And I was just like, I just don't want it to wind up where
• 1:02:04
  they're shit-faced tipping cows and pasture.
• 1:02:08
  And that's exactly what ends up happening.
• 1:02:09
  But first, we see the jocks are messing with some Geeks and I
• 1:02:15
  just like this moment from the Geeks or like it's important to
• 1:02:20
  know like a big part of their bullying, relies on homophobia.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. And so they got one of the geeks
• 1:02:25
  on the ground and there's like saying, They're saying say I
• 1:02:28
  like to suck. Big dicks a like to suck big
• 1:02:30
  dicks and the kick is okay. You like to suck big dicks.
• 1:02:35
  Dude, Trailer Park, Boys, 6, this scene from this week
• 1:02:38
  because like there's a whole scene like that way.
• 1:02:41
  He's like a say you're a little bit.
• 1:02:43
  She's like her, say I'm a little bit.
• 1:02:44
  She's like okay you're a little bitch.
• 1:02:46
  It also kind of feels very Bill Murray and Ghostbusters her it's
• 1:02:50
  like it's true. This man has no dick.
• 1:02:52
  Yeah but I do like this scene. It's funny that they kind of
• 1:02:56
  like Get. Oh no, they're getting theirs in
• 1:03:00
  against the bullies but also like other boys.
• 1:03:02
  Like both times that they're like about the boy that we're
• 1:03:04
  seniors, man were above this but then every single day are not
• 1:03:08
  above it. Yeah, they just immediately go
• 1:03:09
  into it because they're just so, like thin-skinned.
• 1:03:12
  Yeah. So they're at the pasture.
• 1:03:15
  They're obviously drug. They decided tip over the couch,
• 1:03:18
  just rude. Also, cows can lay down to
• 1:03:21
  sleep. I don't understand this really
• 1:03:24
  stupid. I like the whole Act of cow
• 1:03:26
  tipping. And like I just don't, it's just
• 1:03:29
  me, it is and I don't get the enjoyment that you get from it.
• 1:03:32
  But these, I guess it's kind of also there to just highlight
• 1:03:35
  these guys are fucking idiots. Yeah, but Veronica isn't like a
• 1:03:39
  stereotype of small towns is. There's yeah to do besides go
• 1:03:42
  cow-tipping. Because exact, I mean.
• 1:03:43
  Well, it's because I'm where I'm from.
• 1:03:46
  We do a fundraiser every year where it's called cow pie,
• 1:03:49
  Bingo. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:51
  We're like fields are like broken up into grids and you
• 1:03:54
  place money on certain grids where cows are going to shit.
• 1:03:57
  Really, what the fuck? Yeah thing?
• 1:04:00
  Yes. Wow.
• 1:04:01
  Can you imagine the cows? Like being like, wow, people are
• 1:04:04
  really interested in my poop's right now.
• 1:04:06
  I don't understand this tell you would love that tally would
• 1:04:10
  Batali is not a cow even though she has some cow scholar.
• 1:04:14
  Talia loves cows. Yeah, but I mean except for when
• 1:04:17
  they run that's that's frightening very much.
• 1:04:20
  She was not okay with that. Yeah but you got yellow.
• 1:04:25
  Heather and Veronica there. R on the day and then they're
• 1:04:28
  just kind of like pissed off kind of watching us through the
• 1:04:31
  and then you get like Heather and Kurt or Heather and RAM are
• 1:04:35
  nice. Like almost like, it's very much
• 1:04:38
  against her. Will you can kind of tell?
• 1:04:40
  She's like, resisting him, but he's like fighting against it.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. And you just see her kind of
• 1:04:45
  given, it's pretty sad. Yeah, it's really sad.
• 1:04:47
  And then Kurt is like trying to get in Veronica's pants and she
• 1:04:51
  was like, no thanks and she walks up the hill and she sees
• 1:04:55
  JD because he stalks her. Clearly told her all this day
• 1:04:59
  and she was like, well, I tried to tell you that I'm doing this.
• 1:05:01
  Double date is a failure to Heather and he said our love is
• 1:05:05
  god let's go get a slushie. What the fuck is this?
• 1:05:09
  I don't know. Oh God, I don't miss being a
• 1:05:12
  dumb teenager who thinks shit like that is so deep and
• 1:05:16
  beautiful and like he's got such a sensitive cells.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah I did because they really do a good job of getting that in
• 1:05:23
  this right here because that really is like a high schooler
• 1:05:25
  line where Veronica maybe Spire but she is still young and
• 1:05:30
  stupid enough to fall for some bullshit like that at school,
• 1:05:35
  the next day, the yearbook committee, they are debating
• 1:05:38
  about a Heather Chandler spread. It's not really so much in
• 1:05:43
  memorial page as a like True Crime bulletin of like
• 1:05:49
  everything leading up to her suicide, including the note and
• 1:05:52
  I'll be and very strange again. It's like the commentary on like
• 1:05:56
  how Just a spectacle rather than you know somebody's life.
• 1:06:02
  I feel like that kind of happens with a wide of, yeah, like True
• 1:06:05
  Crime stuff where people like, there's like a new person goes
• 1:06:09
  missing or like somebody dies and it's a mystery like
• 1:06:12
  everybody's like, oh, like this is so fun to like, you know,
• 1:06:14
  kind of, I found it. Fascinating to listen to that
• 1:06:17
  stuff, but always like people getting some people.
• 1:06:20
  Get too excited about it. Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  And it shouldn't be like a whole like it's people that actually
• 1:06:26
  died and I like Look, I know you and I look if something is too
• 1:06:30
  gruesome or whatever, like we won't listen to those.
• 1:06:33
  Yes. It's I was turning off before.
• 1:06:35
  Yeah. We're very much aware that these
• 1:06:37
  are real people's lives. Yeah, so yeah, it's just, it's
• 1:06:41
  fucked up. Good, good parallel.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah. But that's when Veronica learns
• 1:06:47
  that. Kurt told everybody that he and
• 1:06:51
  RAM tag-team door last night. Yeah, sword fighting how they
• 1:06:56
  call. Which that's tough.
• 1:06:59
  Yeah, it's messed up that he's spreading these lies.
• 1:07:02
  So this inspires Veronica and JT to pull a prank where Veronica
• 1:07:08
  gets them to go into the woods. Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  She's like, do you really want that stuff to happen?
• 1:07:12
  Meet me at dawn in the woods. So the plan is that JD has these
• 1:07:17
  Special bullets that can break the skin and cause some bleeding
• 1:07:24
  but they have tranquilizers in them so just not Knock him out,
• 1:07:27
  he described as like a tranquilizer, basically, it's
• 1:07:30
  like enough to just like, I mean, essentially he's
• 1:07:33
  describing like what a rare a rubber bullet.
• 1:07:36
  Like it's not something that will penetrate, it will just
• 1:07:38
  like, no, he said it will penetrate the skin.
• 1:07:40
  Oh, well yeah, essentially he's describing a tranquilizer gun,
• 1:07:43
  except a tranquilizer is a completely different.
• 1:07:45
  That it's got like a bit to the end.
• 1:07:46
  So when it hits your skin, it like bursts open in the train.
• 1:07:48
  Yeah, it's your system. Yeah, except these are just
• 1:07:52
  actually regular bullets and I think on a level Veronica knew
• 1:07:56
  that, but she didn't Want to admit it to herself.
• 1:07:58
  Yeah, I think so too. So the plan is that they're
• 1:08:04
  going to make it look like because they are super
• 1:08:07
  homophobic. It's like we're gonna make them
• 1:08:11
  secret gay lovers, the suicide note that he's riding a saying
• 1:08:15
  that they knew they could never be openly together in this small
• 1:08:18
  town because of small minds. And then he's also got other
• 1:08:21
  evidence to back up that they are gay.
• 1:08:24
  I wrote down the list, I did Sir.
• 1:08:30
  In addition of stud puppy magazine a candy dish.
• 1:08:39
  It's a candy dish like like a box of chocolates type thing.
• 1:08:43
  No, it's a dish that you put candy in.
• 1:08:45
  Okay. Okay, we have candy dishes in
• 1:08:49
  our house. Okay?
• 1:08:51
  Okay. Joan Crawford postcard.
• 1:08:56
  That's so weird. Some mascara, and mineral water,
• 1:09:01
  which is the big one. Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  So that's all in like this fancy gift bag.
• 1:09:08
  Yeah, yeah it's really funny that you know, that he just
• 1:09:12
  thought that like a symbol all the stuff, it's just yeah it's
• 1:09:14
  like let's think of the most stereotypical and incorrect
• 1:09:18
  stereotypes. I just used to reel tape way too
• 1:09:21
  much in a single sentence. Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  So that's what they're going to do.
• 1:09:26
  Is like people will totally believe it in your own people
• 1:09:28
  did totally believe it. Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  So they get them there. Just like I want you guys to
• 1:09:34
  Trip first and you can both strip me.
• 1:09:39
  So they stripped down and then JD pops out and shoots Ram.
• 1:09:46
  I think. Yep brim.
• 1:09:47
  Yeah. She shoots him and Veronica's
• 1:09:49
  supposed to shoot Kurt but she misses and he goes running and
• 1:09:52
  Judy's like did you miss? And she goes no, it's fine.
• 1:09:54
  Like the look on his face was worth it because fuck and he
• 1:09:56
  like chases after him and she's noticing that Ram is not moving
• 1:10:01
  so much poor in man. He not Or a Ramekin.
• 1:10:05
  Okay, whoa. All right.
• 1:10:07
  Well, I guess what I was just getting as he's a tighty-whitey
• 1:10:10
  guy. Mmm, yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Oh cool. No not not.
• 1:10:15
  Okay. So JD eventually chases Kurt
• 1:10:18
  back through to the woods. The cops hear some sounds going
• 1:10:21
  on but they're not good at their jobs.
• 1:10:23
  They're smoking a joint. Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  So he gets back around and Veronica shoots him.
• 1:10:31
  And they're actually really dead.
• 1:10:33
  They go running because the cops did hear that gunshot and they
• 1:10:36
  come. So they are making out in the
• 1:10:39
  car to be their Alibi, which I kind of thought.
• 1:10:44
  I mean, that makes sense that that's their Alibi.
• 1:10:46
  But like also like did they think that they escaped them and
• 1:10:48
  they just immediately started like going at it too?
• 1:10:50
  Because like even after the Kapa leaves they are still continuing
• 1:10:55
  like we don't get like a shot of that.
• 1:10:57
  Be like okay what is an alibi and Ugly led into genuine
• 1:11:02
  horniness. Yeah, but like I like the kapre
• 1:11:05
  this, because I've got the whole story back here.
• 1:11:07
  Come back over here. Tommy that JD doesn't get a
• 1:11:10
  raging murder boner. He does man, like he gets off on
• 1:11:14
  murder. Yeah, basically.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah. Just talking about it and but
• 1:11:23
  the Smoking Gun that made them think.
• 1:11:25
  Oh, this is like a lover, like, it's like a crime of passion,
• 1:11:29
  whatever it is. Because he digs out the Earl
• 1:11:30
  Waters. I guess.
• 1:11:32
  They were gay. So school is cancelled for
• 1:11:37
  curtain ran because they were football stars and these two of
• 1:11:40
  them so they get a whole day canceled.
• 1:11:44
  Veronica is upset because she's realizing that they're actually
• 1:11:47
  killed actually dead. She Burns herself the cigarette
• 1:11:51
  lighter in the car, back in the day when those are thing.
• 1:11:54
  So she burnt herself with it and JD lights his cigarette off of
• 1:11:59
  the burn in her. I know, it's so crazy, but so
• 1:12:02
  creepy, but it's such a great visual.
• 1:12:05
  It's funny because, like, At first, whenever I'm watching,
• 1:12:07
  because I was watching that again last night, and I'm like,
• 1:12:09
  oh, he's like jump into a stopper basic, no, I need to
• 1:12:11
  wipe this off of your skin right now.
• 1:12:14
  There's a fucking psycho, yes. So they have a double funeral,
• 1:12:18
  they're side by side in their little casket and the rig, they
• 1:12:21
  got their footballs and their football helmets on to because
• 1:12:24
  it's not real footballs, it's like the little plastic.
• 1:12:27
  Yeah. I mean come on.
• 1:12:33
  Our football was that hard to come across here and whatever
• 1:12:36
  town in Ohio? I don't know.
• 1:12:38
  I don't think so, but current status.
• 1:12:41
  Like, I have has this whole I love my dead gay son speech and
• 1:12:45
  it's so absurd. And Christian Slater's character
• 1:12:49
  has a very pointed. Yeah.
• 1:12:51
  But would he still love him if he had a limp wrist with a
• 1:12:54
  pulse? Yeah, because it is very much
• 1:12:57
  like that is a very sobering reality that there are plenty of
• 1:13:00
  families out there that will reject their queer children and
• 1:13:05
  then only accept them after death after grab something
• 1:13:09
  tragic happens. Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  But this like a causes Veronica to laugh and she notices, I
• 1:13:14
  think one of their sisters and then kind of like, gives her a -
• 1:13:17
  yeah, she turns around she's crying much like you after your
• 1:13:20
  fart and we created, I don't know.
• 1:13:30
  Okay, okay. Yeah.
• 1:13:51
  All right, so the hippie teachers back, she's advocating
• 1:13:54
  for more like group therapy basically for all Mooring of
• 1:13:57
  emotion. Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  And the board finally agrees are like well we don't know what
• 1:14:01
  you're fucking doing. Like it a lot of dead teenagers.
• 1:14:04
  Let's listen to this lady. Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  Except this is even more chaotic.
• 1:14:09
  It almost looks like a protest in some way.
• 1:14:12
  She brings in a news crew. So this is where, like Martha
• 1:14:16
  panics and she Dives underneath the table and that's where J.
• 1:14:20
  It is like, greetings and salutations.
• 1:14:22
  That's like the second time he says it.
• 1:14:24
  Greetings and salutations. Yeah, so the whole thing is just
• 1:14:27
  chaotic and not Well, I guess there's a bunch of people trying
• 1:14:31
  to be on the news. Like it's not really doing
• 1:14:33
  anything to help with the grieving for, yes, because
• 1:14:35
  they're doing the same thing that they did with the original
• 1:14:38
  Heather. They're just like, oh yeah, they
• 1:14:39
  were such good people like it's a shame that they died but
• 1:14:43
  afterwards JD's, like chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, cool
• 1:14:48
  and j.d. He says that they're scaring the
• 1:14:54
  population and to being better people, which doesn't really
• 1:14:59
  line up because they don't know that these people are being
• 1:15:02
  murdered, they think everybody's just killing themselves.
• 1:15:05
  Well I mean it's yeah I guess well, no because I mean really
• 1:15:11
  what's happening is well is about to happen like Green
• 1:15:17
  Heather becomes like the red Heather but also inspiring
• 1:15:21
  people to like commit suicide now too because they want to
• 1:15:24
  also have this kind of yeah you know they want people to see
• 1:15:28
  them in this way. We see that the hotel hotel
• 1:15:33
  demolition worked JD's. Dad comes in super excited about
• 1:15:36
  it talks about a big-ass bomb in the basement setting off.
• 1:15:42
  Other explosives higher up. I forget the exact terms used
• 1:15:47
  but it's essentially what JD's gonna set up later.
• 1:15:49
  I just now made that realization.
• 1:15:52
  That that's how he had all this shit is because his dad does
• 1:15:54
  demolition. Yeah, but I mean also, if
• 1:15:57
  anybody's going to have the Anarchist Cookbook, it's gonna
• 1:16:00
  be fucking JD, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:01
  True. So his dad leaves JD shoots the
• 1:16:07
  radio start playing big funds, teens teenage suicide, don't do
• 1:16:13
  it. Yeah and Veronica breaks up with
• 1:16:16
  them. So, JD decides he's going to
• 1:16:19
  Blackmail. Heather Duke grandmother, mmm,
• 1:16:24
  with a photo of when she was friends with Martha and she's
• 1:16:30
  like what do you want me to do? He's like I'm going to ask a
• 1:16:33
  favor of you some point in the future.
• 1:16:35
  You can have my lunch money. Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  She's I'll give you a week's worth of lunch money and oh my
• 1:16:39
  girl. I thought you were Rich first.
• 1:16:41
  Yeah, right. Like also he's Rich.
• 1:16:43
  So in fact, I feel like everybody we've been aggressive.
• 1:16:47
  Rich suburb? Yeah, everybody here is Rich.
• 1:16:49
  Maybe not Martha, maybe. But maybe, but maybe we don't
• 1:16:53
  know. Yeah.
• 1:16:56
  So he's like also like you need to start wielding your power and
• 1:17:02
  passes over Heather's scrunchie and she's like cool.
• 1:17:06
  Don't need this anymore books that's for nerds and gives him
• 1:17:11
  her copy of Moby. Dick apparently, they really
• 1:17:13
  wanted to be Catcher in the Rye, but the Salinger family outright
• 1:17:16
  refused because they didn't want to be associated with something
• 1:17:19
  like that. They just didn't want to give
• 1:17:21
  the rights to be used in it, huh?
• 1:17:25
  During his name is JD. Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah. And I'm Veronica.
• 1:17:29
  Sawyer is apparently named after the bad girl in the Archie
• 1:17:33
  Comics and Tom Sawyer oh really? Okay, interesting.
• 1:17:38
  So fun with names. There's also like was it Heather
• 1:17:42
  Duke. Like the Duke is always the
• 1:17:44
  second in command. There's like there's a lot of
• 1:17:48
  meaning behind the names. It is, this movie has a lot of
• 1:17:51
  it's like just things. It's a smart movie.
• 1:17:54
  It is it Really smart movie. So Veronica sees Heather Duke
• 1:18:01
  with the scrunchie and she is not at all amused.
• 1:18:04
  And she's like, and it's also, like, weird that her in the to
• 1:18:08
  Heather's are still kind of like hanging out.
• 1:18:09
  You would think that they would kind of dissolve without their
• 1:18:12
  leader, but, yeah, you would think so.
• 1:18:14
  But no, it's just one, A different one.
• 1:18:16
  Just takes the place. Mmm, so Veronica.
• 1:18:20
  Invites Betty, Finn over to play some croquet.
• 1:18:24
  We have another moment where she can, the whatever that rule is
• 1:18:28
  with croquet, where you can either take two shots or take
• 1:18:30
  them out. I don't know what it means and
• 1:18:33
  Veronica's gonna like, do her two shots and bet he's like, why
• 1:18:37
  wouldn't you just take me out? Nice guys, finish last and
• 1:18:40
  that's the last we see of, but even which is weird, but why
• 1:18:43
  isn't she invited to new release night with Martha?
• 1:18:47
  Like why can't the three of them?
• 1:18:48
  Yeah, right. Because he is because our old
• 1:18:50
  friends. Yeah.
• 1:18:51
  I mean, I guess like it's just like show her Tyson's Sighs with
• 1:18:54
  their old past. Who she wants to be.
• 1:18:56
  Yeah. But yeah.
• 1:18:57
  It's just although maybe this was the last straw because the
• 1:19:00
  other two Heather's come in and kick Betty Finn out of
• 1:19:03
  Veronica's own backyard. Yeah, I think I would maybe be
• 1:19:06
  done. Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  To like, okay. Like I'm Renee Estevez and I'm a
• 1:19:10
  very good girl in all the world I play, but even I have to draw
• 1:19:13
  a line somewhere. I'm gonna go.
• 1:19:14
  Hang out with Bruce, Springsteen's older sister.
• 1:19:17
  Yes. I'm gonna be friends with The
• 1:19:18
  Psychotic camp, counselor. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:19:20
  Bye. Yeah, she went Howdy partner and
• 1:19:28
  Heather Duke calls read. And she switches over from being
• 1:19:33
  the green, Heather to the red Heather, which is very confusing
• 1:19:36
  to me. So much, red clothing.
• 1:19:37
  Look ready to go. She did well, she's like boom.
• 1:19:41
  Maybe maybe like in another movie and Heather Duke Centric
• 1:19:46
  movie. She has like a whole shopping
• 1:19:48
  Montage. I could.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. She like there's like one moment
• 1:19:53
  where a sales See it tries to bring her a green dress and she
• 1:19:56
  like shakes her head aggressively and points to ride
• 1:19:59
  one. My theory is, I think that she
• 1:20:03
  likes red was secretly her favorite color because, but she
• 1:20:07
  was forced to change it to Green because in the very beginning of
• 1:20:09
  the movie, she wanted to be the red ball, but she was told no.
• 1:20:12
  Because red Heather was like, no, that's my color.
• 1:20:14
  He said, did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?
• 1:20:16
  Which is such a devastating insull.
• 1:20:19
  I love the way Heather Chandler, talk.
• 1:20:21
  That's how she made it to the top right there.
• 1:20:23
  People like goddamn. I don't have a response to that.
• 1:20:26
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  But you know this and I think there's very subconsciously a
• 1:20:29
  part of me that models that and a lot of the ways I will try and
• 1:20:33
  describe something. Oh yeah I can see that.
• 1:20:36
  Yeah, so that night we see the news report on teen suicide
• 1:20:40
  playing in the Slayer household in the same time Martha is
• 1:20:45
  making a suicide attempt like but an actual real one very
• 1:20:49
  tragic, very sad. She saved defense of note to her
• 1:20:53
  sure. In walks out into traffic.
• 1:20:55
  Yeah, I was very confused at the very beginning of this because
• 1:20:58
  it starts off with like her sitting in a crowded gym and
• 1:21:01
  everybody's cheering and then all of a sudden we zoom out and
• 1:21:03
  it's empty. Yeah.
• 1:21:04
  I wish you thinking in her head. What's that supposed to mean?
• 1:21:08
  Maybe she was there and she just stayed after the game.
• 1:21:10
  They should just like the bleachers slowly emptied, I
• 1:21:13
  guess it could be that. Yeah, so her parents are
• 1:21:18
  Veronica's. Parents are talking to her very
• 1:21:21
  concerned about her. And teen suicide and products,
• 1:21:25
  like, this is all bullshit, like, treat teenagers, like
• 1:21:29
  people instead of patronising us like little bunny rabbits.
• 1:21:31
  And that's where the dad says, I don't patronize but I rather.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, love it. I like the mom is fine sir.
• 1:21:36
  Yeah, yeah. She's like oh kids are always
• 1:21:39
  saying they want to be treated like humans and then when
• 1:21:41
  they're treated like humans, they're mad like yeah, just like
• 1:21:45
  this is what being treated like a human is.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah and she admits it's a very good point.
• 1:21:51
  Heather Duke comes in to laugh about Martha.
• 1:21:54
  She's like, she's in the hospital.
• 1:21:56
  She survives. She's in stable Condition.
• 1:21:59
  It's so sad when the Geeks try and copy the popular kids.
• 1:22:03
  Yeah, that's so stupid. But then Veronica also thinks
• 1:22:07
  it's stupid and just slaps her. Yeah, then they go upstairs and
• 1:22:11
  they're kind of like, bitching at each other.
• 1:22:12
  Like, they're this is their dynamic.
• 1:22:15
  They hate each other, but they're still just hanging out.
• 1:22:16
  Yeah, they just accepted. They're like, okay, you slap me?
• 1:22:19
  All right, let's move on. They're gonna listen to hot
• 1:22:21
  probs on the radio and And Heather McNamara calls in like
• 1:22:27
  what's your name? She goes Heather.
• 1:22:28
  No not Heather Madonna. No, not that either Tweety like
• 1:22:33
  andronicus. Like she knows we listen to the
• 1:22:35
  show, like, but the can be like other Heather's, right?
• 1:22:39
  Clearly, she's just so many Heather's.
• 1:22:41
  Yeah, maybe the tell was, she chose Tweety Tweety Birds
• 1:22:45
  yellow? Yeah, well and she also had a
• 1:22:48
  bird in her room. Oh yeah.
• 1:22:50
  But I'm just saying like, you know, like that's she had to
• 1:22:53
  choose The other had to be retail.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah but she's basically just talking about how hard her life
• 1:22:57
  is right now and then Heather Dukes like oh she's gonna get
• 1:23:01
  it. And then the next day in class
• 1:23:03
  we see Lee wrote, poor little Heather on the Blackboard and
• 1:23:06
  everybody's laughing and she's just sitting there very upset
• 1:23:09
  and as soon as class starts she runs off to the bathroom and
• 1:23:13
  Veronica follows after her and basically she's trying to Just
• 1:23:18
  going to take a bunch of pills and she was like, the decision
• 1:23:21
  to kill yourself is very private.
• 1:23:25
  Yeah. But I love this line because,
• 1:23:28
  you know, Veronica like actually has a good friend moment with
• 1:23:30
  Heather McNamara, like where she's just like, it's, like,
• 1:23:33
  literally okay to be sad. If you were happy every day of
• 1:23:37
  your life, you wouldn't be a human.
• 1:23:38
  You'd be a game show host. Yeah, I like that.
• 1:23:41
  That's a nice piece of advice. That's I feel like that's like
• 1:23:45
  the last we see of this Heather too.
• 1:23:47
  But she's like, the She's the nicest of them, we see you at
• 1:23:50
  the pep rally. Well, she's just doing car
• 1:23:52
  wheels. So yeah, Mike, I mean, we don't,
• 1:23:54
  we don't really get anything else of meaning from her after
• 1:23:57
  this JD calls in his favor to Heather Duke and he wants
• 1:24:01
  everybody to sign. He wants her to get everybody to
• 1:24:03
  sign this petition, have that he says, is to have big fun, play
• 1:24:06
  at the prom and we see her going around and getting everybody to
• 1:24:11
  sign it her. And she comes with Veronica to
• 1:24:14
  sign in her and Veronica fight. Because she's like, I know that
• 1:24:17
  you're lying to people. About what this petition is JD
• 1:24:20
  is busy underlining lines and Moby Dick and he shows it to
• 1:24:24
  Veronica and his like look, this will go great with her suicide,
• 1:24:28
  note Veronica goes home. Her parents are concerned
• 1:24:32
  because JD was like, I'm very concerned about Veronica.
• 1:24:37
  I think she might try and commit suicide.
• 1:24:39
  You should probably keep her away from pills and sharp
• 1:24:41
  objects and all that. And he also asked us to give you
• 1:24:47
  this and it's a note. Hmm.
• 1:24:49
  In her handwriting. This is like you're not the only
• 1:24:51
  one that liked can recognize the handwriting or.
• 1:24:54
  Yeah. So she gets up to her room.
• 1:24:58
  There's a Barbie doll hanging from the ceiling.
• 1:25:02
  So, like Frankie's, right? Yeah.
• 1:25:07
  That's a good way to do it. Like if I walked in on something
• 1:25:09
  like that, be like oh fuck. Okay.
• 1:25:12
  So she lays out her bed and I can't tell if this is all a
• 1:25:14
  dream or not, I'm pretty sure it's the dream with her and
• 1:25:18
  yeah. Yeah yeah.
• 1:25:18
  I mean that's the thing like it has to be a dream because yeah
• 1:25:23
  he comes in he wants to do some more underlining.
• 1:25:26
  They go to Heather Dukes house and argue about the cleanliness
• 1:25:30
  of the knife that she would use to cut her wrists and she's
• 1:25:34
  like, no. Heather is a Heather Duke is
• 1:25:36
  very clean person. She wouldn't she wouldn't clean.
• 1:25:39
  She wouldn't cut her wrists with a dirty knife.
• 1:25:42
  So there's this whole thing. And then we see the funeral, and
• 1:25:44
  we got one of my favorite tropes, which is dead person
• 1:25:47
  talking about how boring the afterlife.
• 1:25:48
  As because Heather Chandler, valves own.
• 1:25:50
  She's like, I've had to sit around and sing Kumbaya one more
• 1:25:52
  time. I like how these people are.
• 1:25:55
  Obviously, so Jaded by all of the funerals, they have to go
• 1:25:58
  to. They're like, all right, let's
• 1:25:59
  watch this one in 3D, like they just all have 3D glasses on in
• 1:26:03
  the note that he wrote for Heather to.
• 1:26:05
  It's just life sucks because, like, obviously he's not the
• 1:26:08
  brains of this thing is trying to like figure.
• 1:26:11
  I mean, he's, he was smart enough to do the underlining of
• 1:26:13
  the book and stuff like when it comes actually writing out a,
• 1:26:15
  no, he's like life sucks. I don't know.
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, that's It's good and he's like whatever the book will
• 1:26:19
  speak for itself. Yeah, we see JD actually pops up
• 1:26:23
  in her room and she is hanging from the ceiling and he's like,
• 1:26:27
  oh man, I didn't think you'd actually do it.
• 1:26:29
  Like He doesn't the bad guy thing where you monologues his
• 1:26:33
  whole plan to the dead body just because he's got to get it out
• 1:26:37
  to somebody like this. I'm gonna it's the petition is
• 1:26:39
  actually a mass suicide note. I'm gonna blow up the school
• 1:26:41
  tomorrow. Think it's funny like he has his
• 1:26:44
  speech prepared. He's like, well, you're still
• 1:26:46
  going to get my speech. Yeah, you do deserve my fuckin
• 1:26:49
  speech. Yeah.
• 1:26:51
  So after he leaves Veronica's, mom walks in and starts
• 1:26:57
  panicking, she's like, I should have let you take the job at the
• 1:27:00
  mall. I'm like why is that the first
• 1:27:01
  thing that popped into your head?
• 1:27:03
  She's not even really grieving and like it's not even like a
• 1:27:07
  shock response. She's just like oh my God, I
• 1:27:09
  should have done this so she doesn't she's immediately
• 1:27:10
  thinking about how this is going to hurt her image.
• 1:27:12
  Yeah Social Circle like oh I wonder what's happening with the
• 1:27:16
  parents in this town. Like are they gossiping about
• 1:27:18
  the parents of the dead kids? That's like a, that could be
• 1:27:21
  like another movie like, yeah, it's like going parallel with
• 1:27:24
  this with their Heather's, we got this movie that's actually
• 1:27:27
  falling for Veronica and then we've got the movie of Heather
• 1:27:30
  Duke Where she gets her shopping montage and then we've got the
• 1:27:33
  movie of all the parents and how they're handling all of this.
• 1:27:36
  So it's like a Trilogy. Yes.
• 1:27:38
  Yeah I'm into it. Yeah, okay so that's when
• 1:27:45
  Veronica's like hey Mom and she likes lowers herself from the
• 1:27:47
  ceiling. So At school the next day
• 1:27:53
  Veronica. Realizes what JD's plan is.
• 1:27:56
  Yeah, it's going to blow up the whole school.
• 1:27:58
  So she follows him down into the boiler room and basically, they
• 1:28:01
  have this whole big fight and at the scene is intercut between
• 1:28:05
  them and the pep rally. And I love the bit.
• 1:28:09
  This tiny little bit in the pep rally.
• 1:28:11
  The principle is Leading Edge here and you hear him go t er
• 1:28:17
  Bur. Gee, I love it but it kind of
• 1:28:24
  works to like, I heard that General.
• 1:28:26
  Like, I could hear that and I would actually, I could get
• 1:28:29
  behind it. Did you guys have any chance for
• 1:28:31
  your school? Yeah, I mean, we had pep
• 1:28:34
  rallies. And usually, they just kind of
• 1:28:36
  like. Yeah, they did chance.
• 1:28:38
  But basically, they would, like, roll out some AC DC and be like,
• 1:28:41
  all right, we're gonna play some football today.
• 1:28:43
  Burnin in, in, in, in, in, in a football.
• 1:28:56
  But Veronica ends up shooting off JD's middle finger.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah I'm sure he didn't expect her to actually make the shot
• 1:29:04
  since she missed Kurt a whole human but she managed to his
• 1:29:08
  teeny tiny little finger. Yeah he's like flipping her off.
• 1:29:13
  She is like struggling to figure out which button is depressed.
• 1:29:17
  She gets him to stop the bomb accidentally.
• 1:29:20
  Yeah I like him stabbing the whole device and it stops
• 1:29:23
  counting at four. So they go outside.
• 1:29:28
  She goes outside for a smoke on the front front steps.
• 1:29:31
  Nobody knows that she just saved the day but it's fine.
• 1:29:33
  She's always been there for me. Rough.
• 1:29:35
  She looks pretty rough. Oh, JD comes out and he is
• 1:29:39
  strapped a bomb to himself, and he just kind of like walks away
• 1:29:43
  now. And there's a big explosion
• 1:29:45
  everybody in the gym here, is it, but whatever.
• 1:29:48
  They've got more important things to do.
• 1:29:49
  They've got football. Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Like you can go outside and see where body parts are probably
• 1:29:56
  scattered all over the It's a gruesome scene out there.
• 1:29:59
  Yeah, but she goes inside and she says, he's Heather dick.
• 1:30:05
  I'm Heather's. Like you look like hell and she
• 1:30:06
  goes. Yeah, I just got back.
• 1:30:09
  And then she rips the scrunchie out of Heather's hair.
• 1:30:13
  Kisses are on the cheek and says, Heather my love.
• 1:30:14
  There's a new sheriff in town and that's when she walks up to
• 1:30:17
  Martha. And since Martha, what he my
• 1:30:19
  prom date kind of bailed on me, what do you say?
• 1:30:21
  We hit some hit Blockbuster, get some of the new releases and
• 1:30:27
  Martha says, Yeah. Yeah and does Donuts.
• 1:30:29
  Yeah. She's in her scooter and she's
• 1:30:30
  like doing donuts. She's so happy and that's it.
• 1:30:33
  They walk off. Yeah, so I take issue with that
• 1:30:38
  a little bit because if I were in Martha situation I like the
• 1:30:42
  one where she says, fuck you Heather.
• 1:30:43
  I think that's the most realistic ending I agree.
• 1:30:46
  But like whenever I would see like there has been nothing to
• 1:30:50
  establish. If there's any connection
• 1:30:51
  between those two, don't even like exchanged words at any
• 1:30:55
  point. So I would if I were marked out
• 1:30:57
  of This is like a Pity thing. I'm not really into that.
• 1:31:00
  Like, you're not really wanting to be my friend, you just feel
• 1:31:02
  bad, so, but maybe she's super desperate for friends.
• 1:31:06
  It would have made way more sense if it were Molly.
• 1:31:09
  Molly, what's your actual name in this Betty, Betty?
• 1:31:13
  Yeah, that's Betty. And Veronica.
• 1:31:15
  Yeah. Like, it would have made more
• 1:31:17
  sense if they reconnected. Yeah.
• 1:31:19
  You also kind of, I don't know. I guess they just wanted to give
• 1:31:22
  Martha. Happy ending.
• 1:31:23
  Yeah, but you could just like, see her like have support or
• 1:31:27
  something at the end. I don't know.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah, but it's still a good ending.
• 1:31:33
  Yeah, I like it. I'm keeping it a 10.
• 1:31:36
  I love this movie. We all know that I think
• 1:31:39
  teenagers are psychotic, so having a whole movie, that it,
• 1:31:42
  fully Embraces, it is very nice for me.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah. Like and just how miserable high
• 1:31:49
  school was Sky. High School fucking sucks.
• 1:31:51
  And I love that. This movie does not try and deny
• 1:31:54
  it, and also tries to kind of it also.
• 1:31:58
  Kind of, you know, points out how like adults, forget how much
• 1:32:00
  it sucks and when their kids are timeout or like, whatever you'll
• 1:32:03
  get over it, that's something like I try and think about that
• 1:32:06
  stuff. Sometimes I'm like, what would I
• 1:32:07
  tell my old self? But then I'd be like, yeah, this
• 1:32:10
  seems like a big deal now but it's really not.
• 1:32:12
  But then like it is a big deal to them bad time.
• 1:32:15
  So it's you can't really accurately tell them that like I
• 1:32:19
  just want to be like you will eventually not be in high
• 1:32:22
  school. That's what I would tell my old
• 1:32:24
  self as like this, you will eventually not be here.
• 1:32:27
  Yeah, this will not Not matter at all.
• 1:32:28
  It sucks now, and you're going to repress memories, that will
• 1:32:32
  pop up at weird points in the future, but you will survive and
• 1:32:35
  thrive. Yeah, you haven't.
• 1:32:37
  You haven't even begun to Peak myself.
• 1:32:41
  Yeah, I fucking love this movie. All right, I'm bumping months
• 1:32:44
  and nine. Yeah, talking about it.
• 1:32:47
  Some things deeper down that I didn't even notice like, some,
• 1:32:50
  like gold details. I just kind of makes this movie,
• 1:32:52
  like the message, like, everything kind of like, tie in
• 1:32:56
  together, so, Nicely. It's super tight.
• 1:33:00
  It's really good. Okay, well that bombs are
• 1:33:02
  average up from a nine point two.
• 1:33:03
  Five, two nine point five. Wow, what would it take to get
• 1:33:07
  you to attend change? You would make, I think it would
• 1:33:11
  be the ending, okay? Because I mean, it's still a
• 1:33:14
  fine ending but I don't really feel like it works.
• 1:33:17
  Considering all of that we had seen like all of the options
• 1:33:21
  that you listed Martha. Killing Veronica would have been
• 1:33:24
  amazing. Yes, I would.
• 1:33:27
  Yeah. If it were that I think it could
• 1:33:29
  have been a 10. Okay?
• 1:33:32
  Talia. Was very sleepy girl.
• 1:33:36
  She had a busy day barking yesterday.
• 1:33:38
  So by the time we started watching the movie, she's very
• 1:33:40
  sleepy. You also mentioned that you had
• 1:33:42
  watched this recently. Yes.
• 1:33:45
  So the girls were just kind of like a we've seen it.
• 1:33:47
  Zoe watch this right. Zoe came up during the second
• 1:33:50
  half because she remembered about explosion.
• 1:33:53
  Yeah. Even though you don't see it.
• 1:33:54
  You hear it. Yeah.
• 1:33:55
  So though it was a watch and tie, I think tally is going to
• 1:33:59
  get this like a 70k. Is it rhymes with Heaven?
• 1:34:02
  I like Yeah. All right dream sequel.
• 1:34:08
  Oh yeah. Drew we haven't done a dream
• 1:34:09
  sequence a wino because we had sequel month.
• 1:34:11
  So yeah. Sequel for this.
• 1:34:16
  Well, I think we already talked about it.
• 1:34:18
  I want the yeah, what? The parents perspective.
• 1:34:20
  It's not necessarily a sequel, but you can call it Heather,
• 1:34:23
  Sue, but it runs parallel. Because like I think that you
• 1:34:26
  can explore something interesting there too with how
• 1:34:28
  it affects the adults and how they are doing it with their
• 1:34:32
  kids. Like you know, everybody's
• 1:34:35
  construing all that. Okay.
• 1:34:37
  So I pulled two reviews from IMDb, I figured we would go
• 1:34:42
  positive for ourselves so I wanted Full of negative 1.
• 1:34:45
  Okay. But I laughed out loud when I
• 1:34:47
  saw this because yeah, the dumbest fucking review is a
• 1:34:49
  10/10 titled. Sure.
• 1:34:52
  And the review is it like the bit where they thought they were
• 1:34:55
  gay, because they like mineral water.
• 1:34:57
  And that's it, that's it. Okay, you know, if that's what
• 1:35:01
  it takes to get you like a perfect movie than fine, I'll
• 1:35:04
  respect that. So, All right, struggled trying
• 1:35:11
  to find a negative review. That's was something other than
• 1:35:14
  just like I didn't like the language and I didn't like the
• 1:35:15
  message and then I kind of realized that when we talk about
• 1:35:19
  different things that, you know, why somebody might like them
• 1:35:23
  move, your might not like a movie.
• 1:35:24
  This is one of those movies that if you are not into dark humor
• 1:35:27
  satire, anything like that. It's not a movie for you.
• 1:35:31
  Yeah, so I wound up on one that basically says that but explains
• 1:35:37
  themselves a little bit better out of that than You know, I
• 1:35:39
  just don't like it. So the movie was made the year.
• 1:35:44
  I was born and I still haven't seen it.
• 1:35:47
  Wait, you haven't seen it. I've missed that line way.
• 1:35:51
  So we're not review this. And when they rated 1 out of 10
• 1:35:55
  and this was in 2008. Okay.
• 1:35:57
  Who in their right Minds? Would is just about a bunch of
• 1:36:00
  girls. Throughout of the for with the
• 1:36:03
  same name who totally need their mouth washed out spoiler
• 1:36:06
  warning, they curse and use terrible vocabulary words,
• 1:36:08
  mostly the a word, the s word the effort etcetera as if I'm
• 1:36:12
  sorry they've had to have seen this.
• 1:36:14
  Oh yeah they know as I think that maybe this is their first
• 1:36:16
  viewing as well as kill people for no good reason at all.
• 1:36:20
  This is all from what I read on this website which I've posted
• 1:36:25
  several other comments on in the past.
• 1:36:27
  This isn't a comedy. This is just plain stupid.
• 1:36:29
  And the name Veronica is always given to a snobby.
• 1:36:32
  Orson. I mean what's up with that?
• 1:36:34
  If you like this person's definitely name Veronica.
• 1:36:37
  If you like this and other movies in which the characters
• 1:36:40
  use the worst language ever like.
• 1:36:43
  I think they mean, Erin, Erin Brockovich for this it and
• 1:36:46
  brocco which I don't know. I've never seen a movie with a
• 1:36:51
  minute. I presumably think no offense.
• 1:36:54
  You need your ears, examined, I hate for vanity.
• 1:36:57
  So that's just my opinion. And I mean, Like I said, this
• 1:37:02
  isn't a movie for them. It's I mean it's a cool hit for
• 1:37:05
  a reason. Yeah, it's It is very much a
• 1:37:11
  type of humor that you have to appreciate to really like the
• 1:37:16
  movie. And not everybody has that sense
• 1:37:18
  of humor. Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  And yeah, you have to you have to give him a v a chance.
• 1:37:25
  Yeah. And this person just was very
• 1:37:28
  put off by it. I mean it sounds like they don't
• 1:37:30
  they just didn't like it. That's yeah.
• 1:37:32
  And yeah, just I don't know. Like don't re movies if it
• 1:37:38
  doesn't like if it's not what you want.
• 1:37:40
  Like I'm not gonna like well I mean I do think that's kind of
• 1:37:42
  important though. So that way other people who are
• 1:37:44
  like, oh well I don't like this type of movie and they see these
• 1:37:46
  reviews and they're like, okay, well, this isn't going to be a
• 1:37:48
  movie for me. Yeah, okay, that's fair, but
• 1:37:52
  just, I don't know. I wouldn't read it.
• 1:37:53
  I would just like make people aware like, hey, if you have any
• 1:37:57
  interest, I know that there's talk of this movie going on just
• 1:38:00
  beware that there is a lot of dark themes in this and it has a
• 1:38:05
  lot of vulgar language. I remember when me and Came out.
• 1:38:09
  I was very intrigued by it and I wanted to see it and my mom was
• 1:38:12
  like, maybe we can go see it in theaters.
• 1:38:15
  And then this girl because this is, I want to say, I went to
• 1:38:20
  Jesus Camp around that time, maybe and I mentioned wanting to
• 1:38:23
  see me in girls. And this grommet, Kevin was
• 1:38:26
  like, I know the trailer made. It seem really funny but they
• 1:38:32
  use the b word a lot. And that's most the movies them
• 1:38:35
  just calling each other. The b word.
• 1:38:37
  Wow. Which again she kind of missed
• 1:38:39
  the point some. Yeah, maybe but she probably ran
• 1:38:42
  away. We were young so yeah.
• 1:38:45
  But yeah that's like that that memory just got unlocked so I
• 1:38:51
  can all kinds of she's heard all about.
• 1:38:59
  It's out there and she's gonna come for me when I go back out
• 1:39:01
  there you like Daddy? I know how you feel.
• 1:39:04
  You guys laugh at my farts all the time but she's always proud
• 1:39:08
  of. All right, well I will give us
• 1:39:12
  some listen to reduce here, okay?
• 1:39:14
  So we have a total of three. Okay, I'm surprised what we have
• 1:39:18
  a lot of people that were just like super pumped and ways that
• 1:39:20
  we were covering it. Yeah, which is awesome.
• 1:39:22
  I'm glad that there are people excited for this episode, for
• 1:39:26
  this movie in particular, but all right, So on Instagram, we
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  have will start with the shortest one first we have in
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  Feldman who just says, love it. Yes.
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  All right. Cool agreed.
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  Yes, Robert atone, love it. Currently cat-sitting a kitten
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  named after Slater's character. So James, Dean or Jason Dean
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  Jason. Yeah, and third one is from
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  Michael Lee Howard. He says, Heather's is a perfect
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  dark comedy that Embraces manipulation Teen Angst and
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  series top Sex with just the perfect dose of humor a Revenge
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  film. We all played in our own mind, 8
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  out of 10, okay? I like that.
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  Yeah, it is because you do think about that type of thing when
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  you're probably that age like, you know, how am I going to get
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  revenge on this person and a lot of times you kind of like blow
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  it up in your head like it's going to be like this Grand
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  thing. I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna
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  really get them good. It's the kind of movie where you
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  can't hold any punches like this maybe it wouldn't work.
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  If you hold back even just a little bit on any of it.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and it does, it works for
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  what it's trying to do. Okay, that's it for Heather's.
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  Yeah, I'm going to once again, tell you guys to self-insert a
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  soundtrack right here, but just the song Heather's by
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  insignificant other Travis's, listen to me, listen to it on
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  repeat, for the past month. Or so, I've been listening to
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  you, singing it on repeat, for the last month or so.
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  Heather's again, if there is it. But next week we're going to
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  cover it follows. Yay.
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  We're very excited about this one.
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  It's kind of different. We haven't really talked about.
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  I mean it's just going to different from things that we've
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  talked about but then again so is Heather just like we're kind
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  of like going with like new territory that's long.
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  I think we're kind of finally comfortable and what we want to
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  cover. Yeah like you know what we're
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  doing this one. Yeah so right now it's available
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  for streaming on Netflix. It's or you can rent it from
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  YouTube. Google Play prime or voodoo
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  doll, right? Don't rent it from view to.
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  That is eight dollars. It is four dollars everywhere
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  else. Yeah, that's fucked up.
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  Don't do that. Okay.
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  But yeah, watch it. It's really good movie.
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  I'm really excited to talk about it.
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  Okay. Alright.
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  Until next time. Bye.
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  No.