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#060_ STORY INSPIRE: Priyanka Chopra Jonas: From Bollywood to Global Stardom, Success, and Life Beyond the Spotlight · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: I won't lie, I am nervous to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Come on. How can you be nervous? That's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Like I came in slightly intimidated.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't know the answer to that because we've
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  Speaker 1: never met. So it's not like you've intimidated me. But
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  Speaker 1: I just, I'm really, I think what I really enjoy
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  Speaker 1: about your show is just Such an eclectic perspective on
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  Speaker 1: so many diverse things and it comes like so naturally
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  Speaker 1: to you. I really admire that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, fortunately, I don't have anybody pick my guests. So
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  Speaker 2: it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to.
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  Speaker 2: So it's easy.
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  Speaker 1: It's just stuff that I'm interested in. Well, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for picking me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you. Your
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  Speaker 2: movie is fucking crazy. It is. I knew it was
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  Speaker 2: a pirate movie, but I just did not expect the
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  Speaker 2: ultra-violence from the beginning. I was like, yo. I locked
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  Speaker 2: in immediately. I was like, first scene, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit. This is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good thing, right? What was that like to film?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is it?
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  Speaker 2: When you're doing something that's that hyper-violent, does that freak
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  Speaker 2: you out at all? Like you're cutting people open with
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  Speaker 2: swords and stabbing them in the neck and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: When you're doing it, you know it's like make-believe. So
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  Speaker 1: it's so much fun to be like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm playing pirates and I'm going to behead you.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean in moments of like scenes and stuff
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  Speaker 1: where I actually had to think about what it must
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  Speaker 1: have been like to be a female at that time
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  Speaker 1: or– Because they existed. Women, female pirates existed. And we just,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't hear many, much about stories about them. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe Mary Read, like a
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  Speaker 1: few famous ones. Ching Shih, after I did my research.
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  Speaker 1: But like in those moments, you're like, this stuff must have,
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  Speaker 1: like this was real. They lived at a time where
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  Speaker 1: it was survival of the fittest. It was barbaric. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I wonder what that must have been like. But
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  Speaker 1: besides that, the stunts and stuff, I really have so
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  Speaker 1: much admiration for the amount of precision it requires to
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  Speaker 1: pull that stuff off from so many people, not just
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  Speaker 1: the stunt department, but the cameras, because they're also moving
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  Speaker 1: in sync with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the
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  Speaker 2: moment when all that is happening? Because you have so
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  Speaker 2: much coordination and so... There's so much choreography. There's, like,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to swing this way, and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: block it, and you're going to dive down. It's so complex. Like,
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  Speaker 2: these are long, extended fight scenes.
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  Speaker 1: We had, like, a lot of oners, too, like, fold
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  Speaker 1: the whole scene in one shot.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: Which Frankie, our director, really loved the idea of, and
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  Speaker 1: I honestly love it because it brings you into that
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  Speaker 1: moment is so enriched with, everything that you're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: feel between action and cut. So I do love a
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  Speaker 1: long one-er. But, you know, I come from Bollywood movies,
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  Speaker 1: so we have a lot of choreography for, like, dance
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  Speaker 1: sequences where stories are also moving forward, like, between, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else, you
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  Speaker 1: come back. So I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing.
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  Speaker 1: You learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face
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  Speaker 1: from telling the story.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, I mean, it is kind– I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: just choreography. Whether it's choreography with dance or choreography with
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  Speaker 2: movements with your hands and swords.
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  Speaker 1: I had never worked with blades before this movie, though.
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  Speaker 1: That was cool.
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  Speaker 2: How much training did you have to do? Like, when
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  Speaker 2: you found out that you were going to take the role,
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  Speaker 2: how much preparation did you have to do physically to
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  Speaker 2: get ready for all that stuff?
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  Speaker 1: It was a cool year for me because I was
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  Speaker 1: filming– three jobs which were all action and stunts. So
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  Speaker 1: this movie called Heads of State, which I did for
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  Speaker 1: Amazon again, and then Citadel and this movie. So it
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  Speaker 1: was a year of three action-packed jobs. So the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: being agile and being in it was already part of
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  Speaker 1: what I was doing because that's what I was filming
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  Speaker 1: every day. But the swords training was tough and to
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  Speaker 1: be ambidextrous with it as well. So I had my...
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  Speaker 1: my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with
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  Speaker 1: me she in between shots she and I would just
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  Speaker 1: take our rubber swords out and do like choreography and
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  Speaker 1: rehearsals but like it took At least three or four
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  Speaker 1: months of just staying in it and getting loose with it.
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  Speaker 1: Also because Carl Urban, my co-actor, had, casual, learned how
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  Speaker 1: to do like sword fights in The Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 1: So he was amazing at it. So I didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in that last duel, I didn't want to be any
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  Speaker 1: less than. So I kind of went at it.
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  Speaker 2: No, you look very good at it. It was really good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Did you work with some sort of like
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  Speaker 2: a kendo specialist or some fencing specialist? Like how did
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  Speaker 2: you learn how to move the sword correctly?
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't kendo for sure. It definitely wasn't fencing. It
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  Speaker 1: was uniquely because the swords were– our director was very,
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  Speaker 1: very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting
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  Speaker 1: to get it really right from– The period, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was the guns that we used or the blades that
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  Speaker 1: we used. The machete was one of my favorite weapons
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  Speaker 1: in the movie because that's like her weapon in the
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  Speaker 1: movie because it's practical. Use it for coconuts. Use it
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  Speaker 1: for skulls. Same, same. And that was really fun. But
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  Speaker 1: our second unit director, Rob Alonzo, had so much experience
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  Speaker 1: in the amount of work that he's done prior. He
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  Speaker 1: came in with a very specific idea of wanting to
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  Speaker 1: make the fighting style super unique and each set piece
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  Speaker 1: like a different design of choreography. So, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: was one which was in a dark cave. So the
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  Speaker 1: only time you saw people was when the gunshot went
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  Speaker 1: off and just different styles of fighting, which I thought
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  Speaker 1: was really cool.
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  Speaker 2: So, but did you have like a professional trainer that
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  Speaker 2: taught you how to do that? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 2: How would you do it? Would you do it with
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  Speaker 2: a real sword?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we had three different kinds of swords. The real
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  Speaker 1: sword like weighs more than me. It was insane. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do it with a real sword as much. But
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  Speaker 1: for filming, and this is the magic of the movies,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you have four different weights of it. One
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  Speaker 1: is like the real sword where you need it for like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where it's a close up or the sword
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  Speaker 1: is really, really visible. But when you're doing the big choreography,
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  Speaker 1: you have like a lighter sword, which is created by
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  Speaker 1: the props department. And then another lighter one. And when
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  Speaker 1: you need to flip it, it's the lightest one. I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you all my secrets.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. It's good to know.
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  Speaker 1: That sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: No, listen. Here I was trying to impress you with
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  Speaker 1: my sword flipping.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's impressive, period.
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  Speaker 1: And talking about my fencing. But no, it was movie magic.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that I always think when I
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  Speaker 2: was watching it is like, how many takes did you
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  Speaker 2: have to do with this? Because that's got to be
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  Speaker 2: so hard to do. Because you're swinging this gigantic iron thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And clashing into other ones. I'm like, if you have
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  Speaker 2: to do three or four takes of this, your arms
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  Speaker 2: are going to be toast.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we did like. 10 hours of it every day
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  Speaker 1: for like seven days or something.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have shoulder problems after that?
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  Speaker 1: No, actually I didn't, but I was jacked. My arms
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  Speaker 1: never looked as good. Now, I mean, I have a
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  Speaker 1: four year old and I lift her a lot. So
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  Speaker 1: my arms are like, all right. But during this movie,
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  Speaker 1: because we were just like at it and we both,
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  Speaker 1: you know, threw ourselves at it, Carl and I, and
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  Speaker 1: it took time. It was a big choreography on top
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  Speaker 1: of this bluff. We shot on 100% of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: At least 90% is definitely on practical sets, real sets.
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  Speaker 1: We did not want to use a lot of VFX. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Phil Ivey, our production designer, we built the ships.
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  Speaker 1: We built the house. We built... Everything was a replica
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  Speaker 1: of what it would have looked like in the 1900s
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  Speaker 1: in the Cayman Islands. We went and saw it. It was...
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  Speaker 1: amazing to be able to do that with real stuff,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that the movie is about
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  Speaker 2: is this, the Carl Urban character is from, he was
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  Speaker 2: one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company.
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  Speaker 2: Then I went on a deep dive on the East
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  Speaker 2: India Trading Company. That is crazy. When you learn the
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  Speaker 2: history of that One corporation is one of the first
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  Speaker 2: publicly traded corporations that essentially was in control of India,
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  Speaker 2: Pakistan and Bangladesh, went to war with China over opium.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how they took over Hong Kong. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: holy shit. One crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade,
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  Speaker 2: the opium, just a corporation, publicly traded corporation. People could
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  Speaker 2: buy stock in it. Like one of the first ones.
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  Speaker 2: And it just went haywire to the point where it
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  Speaker 2: got so big there was a revolt and then the
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  Speaker 2: British government took over it, nationalized it. But the whole
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  Speaker 2: story is insane.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about how much in their minds they
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  Speaker 1: were able to achieve and how much they were able
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  Speaker 1: to destroy in that duration is crazy if you go
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  Speaker 1: down history.
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  Speaker 2: Changed the course of countries forever.
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  Speaker 1: Human lives forever. Forever. Like the amount of pillaging that happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Millions and millions of lives. And this movie actually has
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  Speaker 1: a really interesting slice of what they were capable of doing.
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  Speaker 1: They utilized pirates in order to, you know, take over
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  Speaker 1: new lands, right? And in their conquests. And then when
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  Speaker 1: piracy was abolished, they, you know... after them, and they
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  Speaker 1: wanted to arrest them. And they vilified the same people
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  Speaker 1: that helped them build their entire empire. So this was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting because my character's story, her parents and her
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  Speaker 1: family are indentured servants, which was the truth of many,
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  Speaker 1: many people, especially in India. where young people were told
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  Speaker 1: better opportunities, new lands, more money, come with us and
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  Speaker 1: take them off as servants and then drop them in
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  Speaker 1: different parts of the world, in islands. And the Caribbean
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  Speaker 1: has a huge Indian community whose history started with just
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  Speaker 1: being displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere else in
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  Speaker 1: the world and then having to figure out what your
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  Speaker 1: future looks like. I mean, it still happens to many people.
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  Speaker 1: many people around the world right now. But I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was really interesting that my character came from that
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  Speaker 1: and her entire identity was erased, taken from her. She
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  Speaker 1: had no idea. She was 12. So she had no
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  Speaker 1: idea what it meant to have that identity. And I
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  Speaker 1: met so many people actually when I went to the
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  Speaker 1: Cayman who don't know anything about their family tree beyond
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  Speaker 1: like five generations or They know where their family may
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  Speaker 1: have come from, from Sri Lanka or from India or
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  Speaker 1: any other nation, but have no idea what it was, where,
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  Speaker 1: from what village, what was your culture. And that ambiguity
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  Speaker 1: in a history of a human being erases a part
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  Speaker 1: of you. It denies you of knowing the depth of
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  Speaker 1: your culture or where you come from or your roots.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that was really, really interesting for my
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  Speaker 1: character to play and then reclaim herself through the journey
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  Speaker 1: of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a fascinating part of human history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it's taken place all over the world. And for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of
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  Speaker 2: exactly what happened before they were colonized.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like one of the great examples is Mexico. I went
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  Speaker 2: in a long, deep dive on Mexico recently over the
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  Speaker 2: last few months because I've had a bunch of people
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  Speaker 2: who are historians who came on the podcast who were
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  Speaker 2: just researching these ancient Inca and Mayan sites and talking
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  Speaker 2: to them about it. And then I went into it
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  Speaker 2: and it's like there was over a hundred different languages
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  Speaker 2: that are just lost forever in that whole what is
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  Speaker 2: now called Mexico. And. That's the reason why everybody over
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  Speaker 2: there speaks Spanish and is Catholic. Like it's not because
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  Speaker 2: that was their language and that was their religion. They
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  Speaker 2: were all conquered.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: By like 600 guys. That's what's nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over what
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  Speaker 2: was the Aztec empire with help of the people that
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  Speaker 2: they were in conflict with and changed the course of
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  Speaker 2: the entire country.
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  Speaker 1: For so many generations. For forever.
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  Speaker 2: Like, to this day, people in Mexico think they speak
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  Speaker 2: Spanish and they have a Catholic religion. Well, that's all
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  Speaker 2: brought over from Spain. Like, the entire country. They had
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  Speaker 2: wild names, too. Like, Cacao, Thunder, Sky God, and all
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  Speaker 2: these different, like, almost like Native American type names.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: They looked like Native Americans. But if you think about it,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. They probably, like, shared land
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  Speaker 1: and crops and, like, Well, there was no real– There
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  Speaker 1: were no borders at that time.
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  Speaker 2: No, back then. I mean what were countries in the
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  Speaker 2: 1500s in North America? Like what was– we don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: Like what was North America like?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think about how young America is technically.
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  Speaker 2: Super young.
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  Speaker 1: Like how many years? 300 years? 400 years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, less than 300 years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you were talking about history in India.
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  Speaker 1: She has been invaded– over thousands and thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 1: of years, only invaded. We've never invaded anybody else. She's
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  Speaker 1: not had the time. Yeah, the Portuguese, the British, the Mughals,
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  Speaker 1: like from back in time and the history of India.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a historian and I don't claim
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  Speaker 1: to be, but I find it really fascinating. I love
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  Speaker 1: culture and especially the culture of India. Like you will
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  Speaker 1: see my grandmother was Catholic. because she was raised in
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  Speaker 1: a part of India which was colonized and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people with Kerala, a lot of people were converted
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  Speaker 1: into Catholicism. And she grew up Catholic and she followed
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  Speaker 1: it for a very long time in her life. India
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  Speaker 1: is like hyper diverse because of how many people have
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  Speaker 1: kind of made it her roots. So when you go
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  Speaker 1: to India, the amount of diversity you will see The
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: kind of– the range of people that you will meet
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  Speaker 1: is impossible to fathom. Like an Indian face does not
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  Speaker 1: look like a particular person. Or the amount of cultures,
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  Speaker 1: the languages. We have written and spoken languages which are
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: almost like 20-something or in their 30s. Absolutely different alphabet.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely different sound. I can't– if I go to another state,
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  Speaker 1: I won't be able to understand what people are saying.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: How many different languages are spoken there?
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  Speaker 1: About 28 to 30. But there are dialects in there, hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Don't even get into the dialects. I just speak English
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  Speaker 1: and Hindi. Understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi,
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  Speaker 1: but it's really amazing. Have you ever been, by the way?
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  Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, you have to. You would really, like, you're
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  Speaker 1: the kind of guy who likes a deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You would really lose yourself, I think, in an amazing way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to go just to see, for many things,
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  Speaker 2: but just to see that one immense temple that was
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  Speaker 2: carved entirely out of stone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the great mysteries of archaeology.
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  Speaker 1: But there are quite a few if you go especially
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  Speaker 1: south of India and the caves if you go inside.
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  Speaker 1: the Andaman and Nicobar, like the caves, you'll see from
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  Speaker 1: thousands and tens and thousands of years ago, um, illustrations that,
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  Speaker 1: that you're like, how, how did this happen? How could
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: this temple have been chiseled or how could, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: these stones have been moved at that time? It's just,
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  Speaker 1: it makes you, it made me very, very curious about
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  Speaker 1: like what kind of tools did we have back then?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of holes in human history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Graham Hancock has a great quote. He says that we
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: are a species with amnesia. And I think that's accurate.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when you find some of the great
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  Speaker 2: archaeological wonders where people just have decided, oh, they built
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  Speaker 2: it this way and then just let it go. And
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: then other people start looking at it and go, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, how? How did they do this? Like, when
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  Speaker 2: did they do this? Like, what's the historical record of this?
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  Speaker 2: Because this is kind of nuts. This seems to indicate
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  Speaker 2: like a very advanced, sophisticated society.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a very advanced civilization. Like one of the oldest
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Indus Valley civilization, which is the north of India.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: And I just remember studying about it in school. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: that's my maximum understanding of that civilization, but also like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: having visited the Indus River, I guess. But I remember
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: like the artifacts that were found and like if you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: then how it was erased and, you know, it makes
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you question like there had to be some seriously advanced
• 17:53
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• 18:00
  Speaker 1: as human evolution happened where we lose a civilization and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: then comes back again. But it just makes you wonder
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would have
• 18:11
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• 18:13
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• 18:18
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• 18:20
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• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about? The one insanely massive one that's built
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: into the side of a mountain? Kalisa Temple. This is it.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This is what I meant.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Because the precision. First of all, there's no like understanding
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: of where the stone went like they moved who.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Knows how did you take out all of those tons
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of rocks.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yes it's so insane the precision is spectacular it's so
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: nuts when you see like videos of people going through
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it how huge is that immense absolutely immense and incredibly
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: precise wow And just carved out of a solid piece
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of stone.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is carved out of the mountain.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Think about how old that is. Like this is all B.C.,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: before Christ, like thousands and thousands of years.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: B.C. And the history of India, like hence the diversity.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: You see, it's a. It's one of the oldest civilizations
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in the world. And then like how do you explain that?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Look at that image.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So it says it's 12– what does it say? How
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: old did it say it was? 1200. How do they
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: know that? I can't be right. 1200 years old? See,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of just estimates based on what was
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the civilization at the time. Yeah. And there's no– like
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: this is the thing with Peru. Like Sacsayhuaman and a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: lot of these places were attributed to the Incas. But
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you see like traditional Inca structures on top of these
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: immense stones that are 100 tons. They're carved in these
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: weird jigsaw patterns just to absorb the energy if there's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: an earthquake. Like it's weird shit. And it's like, OK, well,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: who did that? So like, oh, the Incas did it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Like how? How did they do that? Because all their
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: other structures are smaller stones stacked on top of each
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: other in a way like you could see a person
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: carrying them and cutting them. Makes sense. But there's a
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff like that temple. Like explain to me
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: what you used.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: There's no explanation.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Like how? Like metal? Do you just use metal and
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: carve that out like that?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And like just a chisel and human.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And if you fuck up once, it's over. Because you're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: not putting things on top of things. Like, oh, this
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: block sucks. Let's get a new block. No, you're carving.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Do you change the design if there's a fuck up? Like,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If you're trying to build
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like a human form and you chisel off the nose.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Do you turn it into something else? I don't know. Probably.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Otherwise– because it's just one piece and you're right. You're
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: not adding anything to it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Well, in Egypt there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: because they cracked. Because when you're dealing with granite and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: there's certain– specifically there's a gigantic obelisk that they were
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: carving out. I mean I think it was like 1,300 tons,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: like something bananas. Like, OK, how are you going to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: move this fucking thing? But they got to a certain
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: point where there's a crack in it and so they
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: had to abandon it. And so it's still there.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just there?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still there. I think that's in– it might
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: be in Aswan. I'm not sure where it is.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Do you know like the theories around the Egyptian pyramids obviously?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Like how were those blocks carried up?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: There's no valid theory.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Zero. How was it in that shape and so precisely
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: geometrically shaped?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's even more complicated now because there's an Italian
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: scientist that we had on recently called Filippo Biondi. Am
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I saying it right? Biondi? He's an amazing accent, this guy.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: He's fucking incredible. But he's using– what is it? Radio
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Doppler tomography. So it's a type of satellite imagery that
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: uses some technology to get a vision of what's under
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the ground. They've used this successfully to show known caverns
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: in the ground and known pyramids. They even used it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2-kilometer
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: an exact dimension of the particle collider. And see what
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the outlet. So they used this on the pyramids. And?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And they found these immense structures under the pyramids that
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: go over a kilometer into the ground with massive, these
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: huge 20-meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: wrapped around them. No one knows what the hell they're
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: looking at. But they're in very precise positions. They've done
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: over 200 scans of these things. They don't know what
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they are. They don't know what's the purpose of all this,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: who made this. So this turns out to be accurate
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and they're very confident that it's accurate and they're starting
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to look into it deeper and they're trying to figure
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: out how to get down in there and explore with
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: drones or something. Then the whole thing gets thrown into
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: question because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: able to cut and place 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to true north, south, east and west. Some of them
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: weigh as much as 80 tons. Tons, which is insane.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: That come from 500 miles away through the mountains, no roads. Like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: how'd you do it? That's crazy.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: That's crazy in itself.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: But if there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: into the ground. And, like, there's a giant, like, huge
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: square at the bottom. They don't know what it is.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: But these are structures. These are not, like, something that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: is just a naturally occurring stone.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was man-made.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Show her an image of it. It's fucking kooky.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So what? Is that, like, how?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: These are these columns. This is, like, what the images
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: are showing. And the three-dimensional replication of what they think is,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that's what they think it looks like underneath there. They
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have no idea what these things are. What? What? There's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: also– is that Hawara that has that underground labyrinth? They've
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: also found– Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: channel on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Van Kirkwick who's been on the podcast before. He's great.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And they've used radio– well, they used ground-penetrating radar in
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that location and They found that these immense labyrinths are real.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They're there. They're huge. Herodotus said it's greater than Giza
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and it's underground. And in the center of one of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: these atriums, there is a 40 meter metallic object that's
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: shaped like a tic tac. It's in the center of this. Yes.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of shit that they don't they
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: can't explain down there where you're like, OK, what is this?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: later versions of it, took from some of the older
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: sites and started building new things or built on top
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: of them, like very disrespectfully. But nobody had an idea
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: of like the importance of history back then. You're just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: trying to stay alive. And so they found all these stones.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Let's use these stones.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, totally. In India, like when we were colonized,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you hear stories of– you know, the British officers telling
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And you don't have comprehension of what the value of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: historical things were that there was so much that was
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: taken from India in terms of wealth and history and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: historical artifacts and the Koh-i-Noor diamond, which is still on
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the queen's crown, which came from India. And like so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: many things.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: The Queen of England?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: She has a diamond on her crown that she stole from.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Can you pull it up? Kohinoor diamond. K-O-H-I-N-O.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Give it back.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been asking for it for a minute.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: We have. Well, the whole history of England and India
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: is nuts too. That's the diamond. Whoa. How big is
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that sucker?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: The crown of the queen.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: How big is that thing?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: How big would that be?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I guess like 100 carats. Whoa. What is that worth?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: What's 100? Well, besides the historical value of it, which
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is probably priceless, what is 105 carats worth? That's nuts.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Imagine walking around with a rock like that on your hand. Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying. The royalty in India
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: pillaged and just taken.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the history of India is fascinating, like in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vimanas. Have you
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: ever read any of that stuff?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Vedas. Not extensively, but clearly you have.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The Vimanas, it's like, what are you talking about? You're
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: talking about flying crafts?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the thing. If you do a deep dive
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: into the mythology of India and the stories that come
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: in these ancient texts, like the Vimanas you're saying, you
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: have flying objects, you have spears with some sort of energy,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: you have bows and arrows with some sort of energy
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that travels beyond time and light. And there's so much
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like who's to say, but we do definitely believe, um,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: in Indian mythology. If you go back into Hinduism and,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and the incredible stories that exist, like I love to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: think about where the origin, like where it must've come from. Um,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I have an opinion that Most people that
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: were writing things down back then were trying to document
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a truth.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think they were trying to make up stories.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: No, I think it was definitely their truth from us.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: perspective now, we have to be like, how do you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: break down the truth of, you know, that there was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this light that arrived from miles and miles away and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb? Like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: what was it? What was it of that time?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of ancient humans and, you know, the beginning of time,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: there's no way to explain what and how that was.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: You know, we have the information we do from religious
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: texts and historians of the past, but it's just really
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: but we kind of just navigated through different worlds, you know?
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines. It
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: would be impossible.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Think about how short a human lifespan used to be
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to where it is now. Our stories have to come
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: from people telling people stories or documenting them.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Right, right. And those stories, like when you're talking about
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: religious text, A lot of those were stories that were
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So it's like what were they trying to remember? Like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: when they're talking about flying Vimanas, like what were they
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: talking about? Like what did they experience? And how long
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: ago was it? Because I don't think we have a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: real understanding of how long ago it is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I mean 17,000 B.C. is where or around that time.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: that many years ago is what they say but again
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: that makes sense.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Well that makes sense if you take into account.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: The 20 000 bc there's a.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Guy named randall carlson who's been on my podcast a
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: few times and he's a really fascinating guy and he's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: an expert in asteroid collisions with earth wow he's an
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: expert in all the different times that earth has been
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: slammed by comets and meteors and Is.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: That how the dinosaurs were? So it was an asteroid?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they believe so. It was in the Yucatan, that one.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: That's the 65 billion years ago one. But there's other
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: ones that are before that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Before that?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there's other ones that are after that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: One of the more interesting ones is called the Younger
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Dryas Impact Theory. And that one's from about 11,800 years ago.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: And then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: that happened. So there's a comet storm that we pass by.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's every June and November. I forget what
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: those But this is like also aligns with– do you
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: know about the Tunguska event? Have you ever heard of that?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And it was during the same time period. And they
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: realized like there's this comet storm that we pass through.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Like when you see meteor showers in the sky, it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: because we're passing through these areas of our solar system.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That have these comets. This is the Tunguska event. So
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it just... And to this day, that area has no
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: trees on it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it just flattened everything. And it didn't even
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: impact the ground. It blew up in the sky above it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And this was not even a big one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So how does like nothing grow again? Like what... I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: What is that asteroid made of that you can... Like
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Earth has been able to come back from so much.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just not enough time. I don't know. I mean,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: 117 years, maybe eventually.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It needs like a millennia.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But it probably just blew the roots off of everything.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It blew everything into smithereens. And it probably had some
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: kind of chemical effect too because it's a physical object.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was made out of. But
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: some of them are made out of iron. Some of
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: them are made out of nickel, like that big one
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that they saw, 3I Atlas that passed through.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That was a weird one because they're like, this is
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a nickel alloy that is as big as the size
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of Manhattan. And the only way we have it on
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Earth is in industrial manufacturing of an alloy. Wow. But
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: this thing in another planet somewhere else millions and millions
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and millions of years ago was formed under whatever weird
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: circumstances and conditions. their planet has.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I want to know your thoughts on this, but you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: definitely don't think we're the only species existing in the universe, right?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's possible.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's human arrogance if we think we do.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems silly. It doesn't make sense. There's just
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: too many planets. It's a silly thing to think. They
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: found evidence of life on Mars. They found evidence of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of bacterial life. And that's You know, right there.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just in within our
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Milky Way that we I mean, we haven't even been
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: get information. But it has there has to be other
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: species that exist and other like intelligence and technology.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know of him.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Fascinating guy, like a little kooky, but super smart, like
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: super smart. He's got some wild ideas. One of his ideas,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what? He thinks that life occurs
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: when planets get a certain distance from their sun. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: then over time, they get too far out and then
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: life doesn't exist on those planets anymore. But when they're
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: in this Goldilocks zone like Earth is for a long
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: period of time and relative to our life, life exists
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and then intelligent life happens. emerges and figures out, hey,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: we got to get out of here eventually because this
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: is not going to sustain us. And then it propagates
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the world or the universe rather. And he thinks that
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopling.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He thinks that when a planet gets further enough from
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the sun that it eventually peoples. Because it eventually reaches
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and natural selection and random mutation. All these things converge
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and eventually you get an intelligent creature that knows how
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to manipulate its environment.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Is there any proof of planets like moving away from
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: their sun?
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they all do slowly, very slowly.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: So even our solar system, we're all like slowly– Yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And also the sun is eventually going to burn out
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and explode and then we're fucked. But that's a long
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: time from now.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: There's enough shit to be worried about.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Nothing's permanent. Like suns are not– and we're lucky. We
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: have a slow burn sun. So we have a relatively
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: small sun and it's– there's a lot of weird speculation
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that it's part of a binary solar system too. That
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: there might have been another version of our sun that
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: burned out that's like way out there. Like way out
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: in space, like way past Pluto, way out there.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I'd buy that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It's possible. I mean there's a lot of wacky theories
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: as to why there seems to be some large object
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that's outside of our vision that's way, way past Pluto.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of Pluto and that's part of what Pluto is, which
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: is why they decided it's not really a planet anymore.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But they think there's something else out there that's a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: large– they call it Planet X. They think– it's a
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: lot of like weird speculation whether or not it's real.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: But they think there might be a large body, larger
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: than Earth, like Jupiter size or something, like way out there.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And it might be a sun. It might be a
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: burnt out sun.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Like a burnt out sun that was– Just crazy.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Insane. Well, Earth alone. Like Earth– the reason why we
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: have the moon supposedly is because Earth was hit by
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: another planet.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: There's Earth– So was the moon part of the Earth?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: The moon was like a big chunk of that collision
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that burst off and then became the moon. So there's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Earth 1 and Earth 2.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So does that happen with all the planets? Like because
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: all the planets that have their own moons are explosions maybe?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean maybe some of them
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: are enormous asteroids that got caught in the gravity and
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: maybe it's volcanic activity. I don't know. I think a
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: lot of it's asteroid impacts too. They knock off giant chunks.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And those chunks start orbiting that planet.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So does that mean that all of those planets do
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have like a gravitational pull as well?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: How strong would that gravitational pull be?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It depends on the mass of the planet.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Like Jupiter, for example.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Jupiter is what protects us. The reason why we don't
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: get hit a lot is because Jupiter is so big.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: So Jupiter has so much mass and so much gravity.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: That it's like our big brother that like protects us.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, thanks, Jupiter. For real. No, that's great.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And they actually observed an impact on Jupiter. I want
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to say it was in the 1980s where an enormous
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a Earth-sized explosion. Which
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: separated from? No, it just got absorbed. Jupiter just absorbed it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But they watched it in real time. And it was
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a way bigger explosion than they thought it was going
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to be like, yo. So then they have to like
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: recalculate like, oh, how big was that thing? And it
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: made a literal impact as large as the earth. Oh,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: my God. Yeah.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I have to see that video.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the the solar system is just a fucking
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: shooting gallery, which brings us back, which brings us back
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to this younger drives impact theory, which is one of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the predominant theories as to why ancient super advanced civilizations
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: completely disappeared. There's no evidence of them. And there's a
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: lot of physical evidence when they do core samples of
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the earth. They find there's a lot of iridium, which
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: is very common in space but very rare on Earth,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: which indicates some sort of an impact. And then they
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: also find micro diamonds, these nuclear diamonds. I think they
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: call it trinitite. And they first observed this when they
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: did the Trinity explosion. So the nuclear explosion created these
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: micro diamonds on the ground, just a massive impact and
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: explosion heat and energy. Well, they find those littered all
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: throughout the world in this same place. Core sample timeline
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of like 11,800 years. So they think we were just bombarded.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: So a lot of these things like these temples in India,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: perhaps the pyramids, some structures that were stone probably just survived.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No, for sure. There's so much that has survived, I think,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: from like a timeline we can't even explain anymore. I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: mean in India we see so much of it. So
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: many of our texts, the Vedas are the oldest texts
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in the world. And to be able to like read
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: stories which now maybe we imagine are stories but are
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: probably reality of a civilization gone by is just crazy
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to think about.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I think more likely than not. Yeah. And I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: more and more over time people are opening up to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: this possibility. Like they recently just found written language. that
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: is 28,000 years old. And they thought that human written
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: language was created about 6,000 years ago. And they found
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: evidence of language.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't read about this.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: So they're like, okay. That's a giant difference.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But how can we also know what happened in so
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: many parts of the Earth when, anyway, the Earth was moving, right? Like,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the continents... What it looks like right now is not
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: what it probably looked like 20,000 years ago. Like, it's been...
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Slowly moving. I feel like how are we supposed to know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like someone who writes a book, say in Mexico, like
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: what happened then in Australia or what happened, what was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: the history in like India, you know what I mean?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Right. Especially 15, you know, 1500s, 1600s.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, years ago.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: When they were writing about stuff back then, they were
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: just making shit up.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So the shit that we read.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Human may have used these mysterious symbols
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to encode information tens of thousands of years before the
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: first writing systems. 40,000 year old artifacts. Wow. Yeah. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: it's some kind of way of documenting things.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Of communicating.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: You know, if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Carlson are correct, there was some sort of a very,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: very advanced civilization pre-11,800 years ago. And this also coincides
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: with the end of the Ice Age. It coincides with
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: all of the ice caps over North America disappearing. Like
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: North America was covered, like three-quarters of North America was
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: covered with a mile-high sheet of ice. Went away like that.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That's why the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: just that ice melted.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Melted.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And then whatever was left just ran through the country.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And you can see the physical evidence of it when
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: they show satellite images. It looks like enormous amounts of
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: water just destroyed the landscape and completely carved it and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: changed it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened with– and I wonder if
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: you have– because you have so much extensive knowledge with
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the amazing guests that you have on the show. How
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: did we go from Neanderthal or early man– to this technology-driven,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: like really smart, intelligent, like what happened in history and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the evolution of human beings that we were able to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: make that switch so quick?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: It's a real good question. There's a lot of, you know.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard theories, but I want to know yours.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: If I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You don't. There was no need for that precursor.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: But if I didn't worry about that, I would say
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: something helped us.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it makes sense that that didn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: take place.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's crazy to think about how that happened and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: how quickly it happened.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot of like weird stuff with us. Also,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: all those other primates are still around except the early
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: man ones. You know, that's what's weird. It's like why
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: aren't– how come chimpanzees are kind of the same? How
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: come all these other primates are kind of the same
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and yet we need clothes to stay warm?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant. You know what
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah. Like still similar.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: How do we have like planes and why do we
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: like things and how could we make cups and headphones?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do we change our environment that way? Why
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: do we have this insatiable desire to innovate? Insatiable. That's
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the number one thing that we do.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Constantly changing.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Constantly making new and better things. Never satisfied with anything new.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Everything has to be better. It doesn't matter how good
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: your car is. What's the next year's model going to be?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: No matter what your phone does. I want better pictures, bitch.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: No matter what. It's always like we want something to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: be better all the time.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: We can one up what we had. What is that?
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's built into us. And I think that
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: is a part of this process of becoming a human being.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And I think it's leading us to develop AI. That's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: what I really think. But I think we most likely
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: something intervened. Now, there's a lot of people that think.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: The rational people think that it was the invention of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: fire and the cooking of food that gave us better
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: access to nutrition and protein and then innovating in order
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to hunt allowed the brain– But it was.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Such an accelerated period of time. It went like so quickly.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: The human brain size doubled over a period of two
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: million years, which is the greatest mystery in the entire
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: fossil record. Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Like what made that happen?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We don't know. But in religious texts, ancient religious texts,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: there's– many stories of human beings breeding with something from
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: somewhere else. That's a part of it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Alien intervention.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Right. Without trying to sound ridiculous.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Hyper intelligent life form. But if you think about it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: If I was watching a show about that and I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: was like, that makes sense.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: What was the show you were watching? Do you remember?
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Ancient aliens.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: That shows the best. It's so silly.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: But I was like two in the morning. I'm like, oh.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: My friend Action Bronson, he used to do a show.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: He doesn't do that show anymore, does he? They would
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: get super baked and watch Ancient Aliens. They'd be like, bro.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens is rad. I love that show. Two in
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the morning.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's fun. It's very fun. I think they're right
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: about some of those things. I think there's something to it.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that is... one of the oldest biblical texts
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that wasn't included in the canon that is the Bible
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: is the book of Enoch. And I had Anna Paulina
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Luna on the podcast and she was, she brought that
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: up and I was like, she was like, you really
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: should read that. So I read it and you start
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: reading it like, wait, what the hell are they talking about?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: The watchers came down from the sky to mate with
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants that
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: destroyed the earth. And like, What are you talking about? Like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: what is this? This is in the Bible and it
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: would have been in the Bible if it not for
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive with the Torah.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And so they say, we got to get that out
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of there. And that's why it's not taught along with
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the book of Ezekiel and all these other things that
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: are in the Old Testament.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Wow. Versus like in Hindu mythology also, you know, we
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: read about a time where God, human and demon existed
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: at the same time and procreated. And like, created different
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: realms and, you know, life and stories and, you know,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories, beliefs,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, from around the world that have similar sort
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of color, it's almost like trying to connect the dots
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: of what must have happened at that time, you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: all around the world. It's probably the same thing, you know,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: some sort of incredible technology.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And some– and a lot of them have
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: these stories of something of some kind of higher nature,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: higher power, higher technology intervening in the lives of human
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: beings and even manipulating the process of evolution.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: as the gods? Yes. Like if you think about the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Roman or Egyptian gods– I don't want to speak about culture,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: but I can't even say about ours, but that power
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that we read about, you know, like if you go
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: into it, I'm a big believer. So I think that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you know, was that like a real experience that happened
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to a human being at that time?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: It was probably a real experience with someone that had
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge, and a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: limited ability to write things down. And so they probably
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: told these stories from... whatever words they could use to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: describe what this was. Like if you were living 30,000
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: years ago, 40,000 years ago and a UFO landed, a
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: giant metallic disc landed and little tiny creatures came out
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: and talked to you, tell a you don't have a
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: written language you don't your cultures hunter-gatherers like how do
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you tell that story how do you tell that story
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and what are the people that you told that story
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: to going to tell their children and their grandchildren and
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: how to write things down.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Totally. But another perspective on this, which people have, is
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: that our pragmatic, practical, 2026 human trying to explain something
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that was magical and did exist at a time that
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: we don't have an explanation for.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Like, there's the other side of that with people that
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: You hear so many stories of visitations from the gods
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: back then to humans and the divinity of, at least
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: in my country for sure, of different avatars of gods
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: coming down to earth to save humankind and to help
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: in human salvation and to help them against evil. So
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: when you hear of those stories, the practical side of
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: me would be like, are those human stories and who
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: is that? That power that they were seeing at that time.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: And then there's a side of you which is like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: there's so much we can't explain and sometimes have to
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like leave it to inexplicable magic of the universe. Like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I'm someone who loves science, but I also am a
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: believer of that you just can't explain everything.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Well, even science itself, like hardcore materialist science. Totally. Totally.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking luck.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Good fucking luck making sense out of something smaller than
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the head of a pin that became everything that's in
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: the universe. Okay.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Explain that to me.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Help me out.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and no one
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: really knows. And then there's this concept of what took
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: place before the Big Bang. And then there's Sir Roger
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Penrose's version of it, which is there's been many versions
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: of the Big Bang expansion, then contraction, and that it's
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: not the beginning, that it's part of an endless cycle.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: That's what I've, I mean, I've heard from in India
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: as well, the believer belief that that was not kind
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many ends
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that we have no idea of.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: That makes more sense to me. It makes more sense
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: because I think the problem with a beginning, we're like, well,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: what was here originally? We always want to think of
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: things in terms of our own biological limitations. We have
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: a birth and we have a death. So we think
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: that the universe.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Probably has a birth. Everything has a limitation.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: But why? It's there. Like time.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: What is time's limitation? It's existed from who knows when.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: It's constant. It's never not been here.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: So the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that doesn't even make sense.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: It's funny. When I was doing research for The Bluff,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: this movie, I went to the Cayman Islands for a
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: couple of days to get an understanding of the history
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of the islands. And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: because it's in the middle of these trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So ships, when trading started, is when the Cayman was discovered,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the islands were discovered. So when I went down there,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I went to the museum and they said, yeah, it
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first settlers came. And,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it started with family or like, people trying
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to run away or pirates or, you know, just people
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: making pit stops before going to another country. And they
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: said that that was the first time that there was
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: any history of the island. And I was like, how's
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: that possible that only when, like, settlers found that place?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And now, I mean, Cayman Islands, Cayman Islands.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: But how, like, if you think about there's so many
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: places in the world where, People and humans have existed
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: way before we even have an understanding of or are
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: willing to acknowledge. You know, in many cultures it's different.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: But we just lost the history of it. That's possible too.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: That's what my argument was. I was like, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like we have to have lost the history of what
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: happened prior.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: There's an entire culture from South America that we don't
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: know who they were. The Olmecs. We have some giant
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: carved heads. And we're like, oh, who did that? Where
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: did that come from? They're thousands and thousands of years old.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: They look African. It's very strange. Have you seen Olmec heads? Oh,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: they look like this. That's an Olmec head. Like, how
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: nuts is that? Like, that's a replica of these enormous
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: heads that are in, I think, is it Peru? Luke Caverns,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: who's been on the podcast. He's a really fascinating guy
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: who does a lot of research down there. he's been
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: there and documented and he's like, they don't know who
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: these people were. They don't know what their language was.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: They don't even know what they looked like except for
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: these images. And they don't even know if these images
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: are supposed to be of them, like these statues. See
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: if you can find some of these heads so you
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: can see like the scale of them. So they left
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: these enormous stone heads. They attributed to this one civilization
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: that they call the Olmecs. They just made a name up.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: But they don't know who the hell these people were.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And look at their faces. Like, that's crazy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: That's huge.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: And do you know how old these might be?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: They don't really know. But I think that how many
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: thousands of years old do they think they are, Jamie?
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Crazy stuff. Yeah. So at least 900 B.C. But what
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: does that mean? Yeah. That's a guess. That's a guess.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Because they don't know anything. A long time ago.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs. Do you
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: know the Aztecs didn't build those temples? They found them.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: The Aztecs found the Aztec temples?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: They found them from an unknown previous civilization. Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: They called those temples the place where the gods were born. Yeah.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: That's what they called them. And they just kind of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: like cleaned it up. Which kind of makes sense because
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you think of like how barbaric the Aztecs were, like
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: They did some horrific shit. Like we were talking about
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: one of the temples. I think it was Tenochtitlan when
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: they consecrated it. They killed between 20,000 and 80,000 people.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: They sacrificed them in a period of four days. And
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: so this is like right when the Spanish were first
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: visiting Mexico thinking about taking over. And this guy Diaz,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: this Spanish chronicler said it was the fucking craziest thing.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: They killed 80,000 people, he said, over a period of
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: four days. Just cut their hearts out and threw their
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: bodies down the stairs. Like nuts. This episode is brought
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  Speaker 2: to find a store near you. Like, so these are
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the people.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: That were— Yeah, you think about, like, how countries were, like,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: conquests happen and, like, you know, we're living— In the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: history of so many people's blood and sacrifices.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And violence.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And so much violence.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: An unfathomable amount of violence.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: How are humans so capable of that kind of violence?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Having done a really violent movie right now.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Because chimps. Because we're mostly chimp. And I think if
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you pay attention to chimps. Chimp behavior, yeah. Have you
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: ever seen Chimp Nation on Netflix?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. It's fantastic.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: It's just. It's spectacular because it is a very rare
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: situation where this one particular group of chimpanzees, they were
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: embedded with these scientists for 20 years. So the scientists
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: had very specific rules. Don't get within 20 yards of them.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Don't make eye contact with them. Don't have any food
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: And don't interfere. And they're totally accustomed to having people
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: around them. So they behave totally naturally. Yeah. And so
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: they wage war. They have all these like crazy social dynamics.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: So they behave like they would in the wild because
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: they're used to these humans.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And when you watch it, you're like, oh, my God,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: they are a lot like us. They're a lot like us.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Just like very primitive, no language, but ultra violent. Chimps
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: are ultra violent. I mean, one of their favorite foods,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: this guy was telling me, was monkeys. They just love
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: eating monkeys. He goes, we saw them kill so many
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: monkeys we couldn't even document it. Because if it would
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: just be like– every day was like a monkey hunt.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: They would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: It's horrific. That's our ancestors. So what we are is
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a combination.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Well, that explains it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It explains it. We're a combination of some higher
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: intelligence that interbred with a savage primate that's curious and
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: created this weird hybrid, this weird thing.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: That's what ancient aliens told me.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And I believe.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I think they're right. They're right about that. Have you
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: ever seen Chariots of the Gods? No. That's the original one.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Eric Von Daniken. That was in like the 1970s. It
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: was a movie, like a feature movie.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that. the movie, but I don't remember.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Having seen it. Yeah. I had lunch with him once.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Got a chance to question him about stuff. He's like
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: a true believer.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Like a true believer.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: What are his beliefs?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Well, he believes that everything is from aliens. That aliens
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: came down and aliens taught people how to do things
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and aliens built all these things and I'm more in
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: line of they intervened and created what we think of
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: now as humans. And then humans figured out a different
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: path of technology than we're on today. That we are
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity. And
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: they were probably on some different path of technology, but
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: as far down the path, if not more. And I
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: think they probably had figured out some things that we
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: have yet to understand. figure out, including the transferring and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: We don't know what they were doing.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Teleportation.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: How did they cut them? If those structures that Filippo
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Biondi built It describes– if that's real, like what was
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: the pyramid then?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Was it a machine?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: How did they do– like first they created the structure.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Like imagine the foundation and the design that went into it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: A half a mile deep into the earth. Crazy. Like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: what is that? What are you doing?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Because I'm saying I don't know if I– like I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: humans from Neanderthal.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: To– We can't.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: And highly intelligent.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, we can. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: of people saying, well, we haven't filled in the gaps yet. Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: We don't really know. But the acceleration of the evolution
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: is so spectacular. Vegans are hilarious. They attribute it to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: people eating tubers. I had a conversation with a guy.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: He's like, we're thinking it's probably tubers. Roots? You mean
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: like bears eat? Shut the fuck up. That is the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: dumbest explanation. That didn't even make any sense.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I'm vegan.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Are you really?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: No, I'm joking. Congratulations.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: There's no way you could be.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: No, I just had barbecue.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: You would already fall asleep.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: For breakfast, I had brisket. I was like, I'm here
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: in Austin for two hours.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I just think that whatever happened, we don't know. And
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: I would not rule out intervention. And I wouldn't think
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: that an intelligent species from somewhere else, if they did
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: find These very curious primates that may already be working
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: with sticks and rocks and stuff like that, that they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: wouldn't intervene because we do it. We're doing it right now.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: We're doing it right now with animals.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: It's human nature to do it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: If we went to a planet somewhere and we found
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: some fucking frogs or some weird animals but nothing big,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: we might drop a deer off in there and see
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: what happens. You know, we might bring some birds in.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: You and Stephanie would. We would intervene.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: back extinct life. That's how they brought back the dire wolf.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: This company called Colossal, Colossal Bioworks, I saw it. I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: touched it. I went to– yes. I went to the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: place where they're holding these wolves and I got to–
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: me and my daughter got to cuddle with a baby
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: dire wolf. They had two semi-adults at the time. I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: think they were like eight or nine months old.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: And they've been extinct since when?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: 10,000 years.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Stop it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Somewhere in the range of that. Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: When did direwolves go extinct? I think they were part
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact. Because
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: 65% of all megafauna on Earth, and particularly in North America,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: went extinct around the same time. Woolly mammoths.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: And do we know why? Around the same time?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of hypotheses.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Like was there something that happened then?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: The rational people, not me, but the rational people think
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: But this is with atlatls. Like it doesn't make total sense.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: It's like how did you get– there's not even that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: many people. How did you do that? And then there's
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger than
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the African lion. How do we kill that off with
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: a fucking stick? Like, shut the fuck up. Something had
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: to have happened.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Well, they found.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: them dead all in one place. It seemed to have
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: died at the same time. Not only that, some of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: them have broken legs. It seems to impact some.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: It seems to have been like some.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Like asteroid or some something that created that kind of
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: impact immediately.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: But 65 percent of all North American megafauna died at
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the same time.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, within a time period. And they think– the younger
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: dry ice impact theory people think like this is not
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: ice age and also coincides with where the core samples–
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Too many coincidences. Yeah. And also it coincides with the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: fact that these animals were all here at one point
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: in time. They all got wiped out except a very few.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: There's only a few left. Like there's the pronghorn antelope,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: which is a really weird one. It's this prehistoric antelope
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: that lives in North America. And it's different than every
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: other animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Because we used to have cheetahs in North America. So
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: it can run like 55 miles. It fucking books. I've
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: seen them in real life. They're really weird looking. They
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: look prehistoric.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: But can run.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: They fly. That's what it looks like. See if you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: can get a look at its face. Can you see
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: it head on? They're so strange. Like their eyeballs are
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: on the sides of their heads because something was coming
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: at them like 55 miles an hour at full clip.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: And so they're really, really alert and they have incredible vision. Wow.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: And that's a leftover animal. That's a leftover animal from
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: a time where they were being preyed upon by something
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist anymore. And that something was wiped out
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: along with the American lion, a bigger lion than the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: African lion. Lived right here.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: That's huge.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, huge. That's crazy.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I was filming in Africa recently, in Kenya, and we,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: for this Indian movie I'm doing called Varanasi, and we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: shot with wildebeests. And, like, as in, like, in the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: middle of them. Me and my co-actor Mahesh were in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: the middle of these wildebeests that were all around us
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: while they were migrating. It's, like, the coolest thing I've
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: ever seen. But when you see their faces and for
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: how many years... versions of them have existed. You know,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you feel the gravity when you see these animals in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: the wild.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: It's so much different than a zoo, right?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, completely.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is their home.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: This is what they do.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: We're in it. You feel a sense of like, stay
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: in your Jeep.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: it on film and so that we get sort of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest. How cool. But
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: when you're there and you see a lion, you see
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: a wildebeest, you're like, this is fucking crazy. This is
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: all day long, every day, these life forms competing to
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: try to exist and stay alive. To survive.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: And there's this weird balance where all of them– They
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: still exist. Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: There will be wildebeest right there and there will be
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a lion right here who's eaten and So they're hanging
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: out together. The wildebeest knows that he's eaten. He's not
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: coming after us. And they exist. But at the same time,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: during hunting season, you see the hunt happen. And I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: saw a hunt happen. And that's crazy that that's their life. Yeah.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: With their face. They kill things with their face.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Like literally.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: There's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: changed courses and it left this hermitage. this one pack
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of lions on this one Island that only has water
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: buffalo on it. And so these lions became enormous and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: And the male lions are way bigger than they are
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: anywhere else. I think there's a, the documentaries, I think
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: it's called relentless enemies, but it's so, cause they look
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: like these Jack bodybuilder lions.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Water buffaloes are huge. And I had one staring at
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: me like we were in Kenya. I'm, Like the video
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: villages that they were filming and it's far away, but
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: it just turned his head and just looked at me
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and then just kept looking at me. And I swear
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I had to like get up and get out of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: its view because it just kept staring. I was like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: it's coming at me.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: They will come at you.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: They kill people.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: The rangers told us they were like, oh, I think
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: he's engaged with you. Maybe, maybe get out of here.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Get into your car.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that poor lady from, she was a video
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: editor on the Game of Thrones. And she went to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: do a safari there and one of the lions pulled
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: her out of her car.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Out of her car?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she rolled the window down. Or someone rolled the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: window down and a female lion just snatched her out
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of the car and killed her.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: You have to listen to your rangers.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: When you're in these situations.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, she wanted a better picture or something.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the shit that gets people into trouble.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Like there was this, one of our rangers was telling
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: us a story that they have, we were in Masai
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Mara and they were like, they have open jeeps and,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you know, you have food that they keep really hidden
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: so that the animals can't smell it under your seats
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And he was telling a story about this influencer.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: He's driving and, you know, there's a pack of lions,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: lions just eaten. So he's sleeping. and this influencer who
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: head and got it on video and survived to tell
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: the story and then he was banned and the ranger
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: was like fired from his job and all of that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: happened but for the.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Image can you imagine what a fucking idiot all for
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the gram.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: My gosh, that was crazy.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: But when someone does something like that and does get killed,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: it's probably better. Educationally for the human race.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: But is it though? Are we really learning from other
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: people and their examples?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Some people aren't learning shit.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Nobody's learning shit. We're just trying to put the best
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: versions of ourselves on the ground. That's what's happening right now.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Whether it's true or not.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But are we learning? Yeah, it's a good question.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think we are also
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: so desensitized to it. There's so much information that comes
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: your way and misinformation now. We're being able to discern
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: what's real and what's not now. That's hard as well.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's harder than it's ever been.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Totally. And then if you do watch something and you're like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to implement in my life, we do it
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: for a very short duration. Very few of us follow
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: through with that, right? Like you're watching a reel or
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: somebody says something and you're like, That's really cool. Are
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: we going to pull on that thread and follow through
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: and do something about it or learn from it? I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: that space where we had the time or the desire
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: with so much coming at you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I think collectively as a society, I think we learn
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: and then we forget and then we have to relearn again.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You know, that's that's.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: But the attention span now where, you know, I remember
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up, like just having the languidity
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: In a in a in a very different way. And
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30, 35 years
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: ago of, you know, reading a book, music, playing, hanging
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: out with your parents or your friends without being rushed.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: just rushed. You know, I don't remember feeling as rushed
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: as I do now in the last 20 years when
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I was growing up. Like, there was time for stuff.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, certainly the internet has accelerated that. You know,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: and certainly people's attention spans are at least pulled in
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the direction of short attention span content. But at the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Like, I was talking about this to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine, like people who have no time
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: or interest in wanting to commit to like, say, a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: movie or some will watch or listen to like a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: podcast for two or three hours. And for someone like
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: me who, you know, like I've been an actor for
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: most of my life, my interface with people would be,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: you know, an interview, say, for example, people who knew
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: me or audiences that wanted to know about me. would
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: be an interview where the highlights are really what you read,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the clickbait lines are really what you read, and you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: form a relationship with whoever this public person is based
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: on those few lines versus this format where you're just
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: chatting for a few hours and you have the ability
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: is why I think people really love podcasts.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: if you want to like find out who a person
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: really is.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Because you can't really hide for three hours. Like that's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: who you are. And I think for most people, that's scary. Right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: And so what they like about those fake shows like
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Good Morning America or whatever it is. You know what
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like you're sitting down. You know, the guy's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: got a piece of paper. So he's got a few
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: questions he's going to ask you. And they're all going
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: to be like very surface, very jovial questions. What's it
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: like to be married? You know, what's it like to
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: do this? What's it like to do that? So you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: had a baby. Congratulations. That kind of shit. And then
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: you're out of there. It's 10 minutes and you're like, oh,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: that went well. And then nobody knows anything about you.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: It's true that you're just basically known by the. Top
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: four questions that everybody asks you. So it's like the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: same four questions that everybody asks.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Right. And what was it like to work with this person?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: What was she like in person? What was he like?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: For me, mostly it's like a lot about my family.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: It's like that my identity starts there and then everything
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: else comes after.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you're fascinating in that you... You've done movies in
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: two different cultures. So like I wanted to ask you
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: about that. Like what is the Bollywood scene like? Because
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't even aware of it until like 20 years ago.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that like Bollywood is like this enormous–
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: like the amount of films that are produced in India
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: is kind of crazy. Yeah. It's a big business. Huge. Huge.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Hundred and something years of Indian cinema just recently. Wow.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: So a very, very old industry. We started with silent
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: movies and have worked our way now to, and that's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: not just Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Because India is so diverse and we have so many
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: different languages, again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: but we have local industries that make movies in those languages.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: that's why it was coined that name. from Hollywood, but
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: the Bombay movie industry, again, it was not us that
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: did that. It was a name that was given to us.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know by who. But Bollywood is the Hindi
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: language industry which exists in Mumbai, which is like L.A.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: It's huge. We make thousands and thousands of movies. But
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: then there's also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, Bhojpuri. These
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: are all robust industries. industries that are localized within every
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: state that also exists. So cumulatively, we make thousands and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to very,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: very different audiences within the diversity of India. Wow.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: And how many people have come from India like you
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: and become stars in Western movies?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: There have been a few before me, you know, that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: have done work.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: The first one I heard of. No one's made it
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: to me yet.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's been few
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and far in between. I think America is a really
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: hard country to break into, to be relevant in. It's tough.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: And also, like, I think Hollywood controls a large part
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: of the global entertainment business. So as an actor from
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, If you want to break into
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: to do that. You know, culturally, it's different. Language is different.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Jokes are different. So that's a tough transition. But it's
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: also like for me, I really I went to high school. Oh,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: by the way, you went to Newton and I went
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to Newton, too.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Did you really?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I went to Newton North, you went to Newton South.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: How crazy is that?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: So I was in high school in the States and I,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: you know, so it wasn't like alien to me. It's
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: not like I was in India and I was like,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I want to go to America and start working there.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to see what it would be like
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: if I came down here. Would there be an opportunity
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: for someone like me to you know, be able to
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: create an impact. Many years later, I feel like, you know,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I'm on my way there. But there have been so
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: many actors whose shoulders I've stood on. So Indian, like
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: you know, British entertainment, wherever, was usually by us seen as,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: you know, a diversity check. So it was mostly a
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: stereotypical thing. actor or a stereotypical character with an actor
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: having to speak in the accent or having to like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: do the be a little bit more Indian what does
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: that even mean.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Did someone tell you that I.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Was told in an audition I think we needed the
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: character to be a little bit more Indian and I
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: just like didn't even understand why there's so many versions
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: of that but I think what the like this person
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: meant was have a little bit more of the accent
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: yeah be the character yeah be the character Which was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: really tough to break out of. So, you know, at
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: a time when it was only that work that existed
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: stand on. Like those were the ones that went in
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: and did that work because that was all that was available. And,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: you know, tried to break through, especially from like India,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: for example, Aishwarya Rai, Amitabh Bachchan, Irrfan Khan. They've been
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: actors that have come in, done work and, you know,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: left an amazing mark. But I moved here. I live
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: here now. And, you know, I'm consistently working here. I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: think that also may have been a part of why
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: you've heard of me.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure. Well, I've seen you interviewed too, which
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: is why I thought you were interesting.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. You're welcome. I think you're
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I think your knowledge of the world is
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: fascinating to me.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all accidental. Cool.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: How cool is that?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's cool.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I started this thing out with my friend Brian and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: a laptop. We were just talking shit. We just thought
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: it'd be fun to do a little internet thing.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Wow. how inspiring.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: And that was 16 years ago.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times too, though.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Sort of, but it's all the same thing in that
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: I've only just done things I'm interested in. Other than
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Fear Factor. That was just a job.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I also hosted Fear Factor.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: Did you? No. Shut up. For one year. Really?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: In Brazil. In India. Shut the fuck up. That's crazy.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: And we shot it in Brazil, in Rio.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's nuts.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: We have such random things in common.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common. I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: This is hilarious. What language did you do it in? Hindi. Wow.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: And it was in Rio, huh?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: that year. So we were all flown out.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: So it was Fear Factor India. I wonder how many
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: versions of Fear Factor there were.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're all over the world.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Fear Factor used to exist all over. I don't
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: know anymore, but.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Once I stopped doing it, I stopped paying attention. I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm out.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: So I knew Ludacris took it over at one point
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: in time and now Johnny Knoxville is doing it. That's
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: all I knew. I had no idea that there was
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different language versions of it. All over
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, yeah. You know, it originally came from
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: a Holland show called Now or Neverland.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy show.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was– It was way more simple. And then
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: when it got brought to America, they decided to call
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: it fear factor.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: The whole eating thing, we didn't take that back to India. Really? Yeah,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: we didn't do the eating. Because you never know people
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: are vegetarian. In India, it's a big part of our
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: culture where a lot of people religiously are vegetarian or not.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I think maybe that's the reason. But there was not
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of like eat the worms and stuff, which
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I was very grateful for. It was a lot more,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: you know, cliff and falling off the cliff.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I remember there was this one which was crazy. This
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: 16-wheeler which was driving at 60 miles an hour and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it and come out. Yikes.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: It was insane.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to do it, which is great. I
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was just hosting.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a lot of stuff where I was like,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: we barely got through that without killing somebody.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the death waivers. Everyone had to sign a
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: death waiver.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, Why would you do a show where
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you have to sign a death waiver?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can only win like $ 50, 000. And you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: might not win. You're probably not going to win. There's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other people on the show. And you
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: could very easily get hurt. Yeah. Yeah, but people want
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: to be famous. They want to be on TV. They're like,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I want to be on TV. Yeah. Once it became
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: popular and successful, it was really easy to get people
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: to do it too. Everybody wanted to sign up.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, there are like protective measures obviously. A little.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: A little. We made them ride bulls.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: We did too. We put people on bulls.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I was, and there were a few that were like, no,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. I'm out.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: I told people not to do it. When I was
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: talking to them off camera, I said, don't do it.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. Don't do it.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I would never do it.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: But people did it.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Fuck that. Look at you. What year was this?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Please, I can't even remember.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: It looks like a Fear Factor scene. It is.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I was on a helicopter.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: So do you know what year this was?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I can't. Did it say that?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: It just didn't say. I don't know. I could check. Wow, Rio.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: I've been to that.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I stood outside the helicopter as well.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: It was some fun stuff. Rio's amazing. Wow. That's crazy.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: That is so funny. It's just like Fear Factor. It's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Yeah, it's totally Fear Factor.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: So what did you guys do for the second stunt
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a second scary thing?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: We did, like, scary things mostly.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Well, that's probably better, honestly.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, there were gross things too. Like, there's Brazilian,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, red-eyed deviled rats that were put all over
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: you with, like, tongue and eyeballs and stuff. But you
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: didn't have to consume it. Right. It was on you.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: You didn't have to eat it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of the consuming it was psychological. Yeah. You
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: get really accustomed to it and then it's like nothing.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, people have eaten crazy things through history, right?
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: To stay alive.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: To stay alive.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: And like if we take our mind out of like,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is gross, then it's not.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is a lot of what we were
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: serving as gross was some people's food. Like balut. Like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: my Filipino friends, they were like, bro, I eat that
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: all the time. Like, that's crazy. That would have been
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: no problem. This is a current. I heard a more
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: updated season. What? Oh, my God.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Lions in your. What if that thing pops open and
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: you got to roll that thing around with lions there?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Lions are duking it out with each other. Fuck that.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Like I went to I recently was on Fallon and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: there was some bluffing game that we were doing because
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: the movie is called A Bluff. And, you know, I
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: said to Jimmy, I was like, I eat worms. And
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: he was like, no way, no way you don't eat worms.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe. And I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: was introduced to them. I don't know exactly the history,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: but I was told during segregation, you know, people, black
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: people were put in areas that weren't very fertile. You
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: couldn't really grow your crops and, you know, your animals.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: And they were So this was a way of like protein.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: They're very high. These are these fat caterpillars, high in protein,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: and they're made in a curry. And when you actually
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: eat them, it's like chicken. I'm telling you, it's like
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: it was psychological. But.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, cicadas.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Those things that come out. People eat them here all
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: the time. They bake them.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Fried, baked.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And apparently they're delicious.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't had one of those.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: I haven't either.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I actually did when I was.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: In ninth grade. Oh, wow. That's what it looks like?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But look at like. They're made into a curry.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: I ate a tomato hornworm on Fear Factor. I ate
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: a bunch of things when I was on the show.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth in
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Fear Factor.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode. Because
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: the first episode, I felt bad that the people were
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: on the show.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were like, I'm going to.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I'll eat it too. And they didn't show me eating it,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'm going to eat it because you
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: guys have to eat it. That's so nice. And then
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I ate a roach to try to convince a lady
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: that she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: ate an Iraqi cave spider. I ate... What was a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: spider like? Just chewy.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: But was it.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: The taste is not bad.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Was it alive when you ate it?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. For the first couple seconds. Yeah. Yeah, all
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the things that I ate were alive other than the eyeball.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: The roach was alive. All those things were alive.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I put a cricket and live cricket in my mouth.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: That's the Iraqi cave spider.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: How do you put that in your mouth?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Like this.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Look at those sides.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: You make sure you don't get those pinchers. Wasn't that bad.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's psychological.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: So you've got to get the body in and not
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: the pinchers.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: The pinchers have to stay out. Yeah, I grab the
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: pinchers to hold on to the body.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the trick.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Shut the rest of it in. Like just that. People
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: are freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all psychological.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: It for sure is.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in Vegas. Everybody was playing roulette. Yeah. No.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: But it's not that bad. It's just in your head.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: It is psychological.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: The actual flavor of it, it's not gross.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: The tomato hormone was kind of nasty.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're someone who's not vegetarian, it's like
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: you just have to get the– Yeah. It's the psychology
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. Yeah. We made people eat an entire ostrich egg.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: That was disgusting because the volume. Like you're eating an
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: egg that's that big.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it like really fatty? Like fatty?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: It's raw. You're eating it raw. They just cut the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: top off of the egg and you have to drink it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm already sick. My brisket's coming out.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: The barbecue. But it's so oddly compelling. It's oddly compelling
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: watching people eat disgusting things and struggling.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I have to say I did enjoy the show.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: That lady had to drink that whole egg.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Did she puke?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: You've got to hold it down, and then you can
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: puke after you're done.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: But if you puke in the middle of it, you're disqualified.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, they get rid of you. That's a wrap if
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: you puke in the middle of it.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I would not be able to do the American version.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was gross.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, but not eating that stuff.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: It was gross, but it also made me totally desensitized
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: to throw up.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: That's a good talent to have.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, like you could throw.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Up right in front of me. Especially as like a dad.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. Well, I think being a dad will get
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: you– Yeah.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Desensitize you to everything.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Smells and all kinds of things like that. But one
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: time– it's so– like I'm completely still to this day,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: completely desensitized to vomit. So one time my wife was–
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: she came home from the gym and she was on
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: her way home from the gym. She stopped and got
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: wheatgrass juice and I just didn't agree with her and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: she threw up in her car and she was crying.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: She was like, I threw up. It's in my center console.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: How am I going to clean it? I go, I'll
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: clean it. I'm just so used to throw up. It
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: was like no big deal. Your trauma from the show? Yeah.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: But when I was young, like in high school, I
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: remember if someone threw up in the hallway, I would
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: be like– Yeah, for sure. I couldn't help myself. I'd
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: start gagging. That's a natural instinct because the idea is
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: that we develop. that because if someone is throwing up,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: it means they ate something bad and you probably ate
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: that too.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Which means you– yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Get it out of you right away. And so that's
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: why you start throwing up and I've killed that.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I have just trauma from tequila.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I watch so many people throw up.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: And throw up. Me too, man. I'm not going in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: there with a dishcloth. Like, no. Wow. Well, from your show,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: for sure. You did it for so long.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: You get very desensitized.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: But I'm desensitized to injuries too. Like because of UFC. Yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: for sure. People that get cut and people that get
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: beat up. It's like normal to me. I'm so accustomed
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: to seeing that. It's weird.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: in movies. Like, you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: It's a movie. Nobody's supposed to get hurt. But, like,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: the little cuts and bruises and the end of day.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: We're doing this for 10 to 11 hours, multiple takes
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: all day. And in between shots, you're rehearsing it. So
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I have, like, so many scars on my body from
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: my filmographies. On my body.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: Do you look forward. Do you like those things. You
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: look down.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the story. Yeah. I feel like it's
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: like a medal. I have a good story.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: As long as you're minor.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. Minor.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Nothing crazy. Always.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: You aim for it to be minor.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: That's the ambition. Well.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: When you're doing a fight scene. Like. Like I said.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: I was. I was kind of blown away. By some
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: of the fight scenes. In the bluff. Because you. I'm looking.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like. This is like. insane amount of choreography, a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: lot of possibilities of things going wrong. There's kicks and
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: punches and axes and swords. And it's like, you got
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: to get banged up. There's no way you're doing that
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: and not getting banged up.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: So I had to do a lot of it myself because,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you need the face and the camera to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: feel the horror of what's happening.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: Um, So, I mean, of course my stunt doubles did
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: like a few dangerous shots for sure and were always
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: around to kind of help. But there was this first scene,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: which is the house invasion where these two guys come
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: and that was brutal because I did not have shoes
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: on and I had a sleeveless outfit and the whole
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: home was made out of wood and splinters. I had
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: splinters everywhere. I had bruises and cuts everywhere because it
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: was such a brutal, like, Getting dragged and thrown kind
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: of scene.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: She's just getting constantly bruised. Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: So I would try to sit in a magnesium bath
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: after when I would go back home. And that's when
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you feel all the cuts. So you're like, the fucking salt.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Where did this one on my thigh come from? Fuck.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: There's a scene. I don't want to give too much
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: of a movie away. But there's a scene where you
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: kill a man with a conch shell.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So good. Came on brass knuckles. Island brass knuckles.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: But it's so nuts. Like the splattering and your anger.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, oof. It's intense. I'm not showing it on
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: the screen, I guess.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Oof. Yeah. What was that like to film? To find
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: that inside of you? Did you have to think, like,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: what would I do if someone was trying to harm
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: my family?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody came off my kid. Like, what am I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: incapable of? I'd fucking rip your head off. It's that
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: I was a new mom at that time when I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: was filming this movie. And I was very, very aware
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: of that feeling because our daughter had an intense entry
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: into the world. She was in the NICU for almost
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: three months. And so me and my husband both are
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: very protective of her. And when this movie came across
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: my desk, I was just like, Man, I understand that
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: feeling for the first time in my life, honestly, that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: what is a parent capable of doing if somebody came
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: after your kid? Like, imagine you're alone at home at
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: night and you see intruders and you have your kid
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: at home. Like, what the fuck would you do? You
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: would definitely put yourself, you know, and do whatever you
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: could to make sure that your kid's fine. And it
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: was just that primal energy that was my North Star
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: through this whole movie.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: My friend Jim Brewer said it best after he had kids.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder. Yeah.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: He goes– because the feeling of someone– like normally you'd
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: be like, what would I need to feel to murder somebody?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Like why would I murder somebody?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Like why would a human being.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Ever– He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: harm my kids. He goes, oh, yeah, I get it.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: He goes, I get murdered now. I get it. Like
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: it's in, it's in there. It's just like a door.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: You just open it up.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: Easy. Yeah. Easy.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Access that. My mom, when I was a teenager and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know how she raised me. Um, but like
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I was a tough teenager. Like if I, whatever you
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: wanted me to do, I would do the opposite. Just no.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And my mom would be like, come back home at 10.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I would come home at 12. Um, just cause. So
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: she used to say to me, she's like, you'll see
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: when you have kids. how you feel, what worry actually
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: feels like. I mean, my daughter is four and I'm worried.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: Like I cannot, my husband makes so much fun of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: me that when I'm not in town, I don't know,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: and working parents can talk through this. When I'm not
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: in town, like I'll surround our daughter with like multiple people.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents will be around. Like
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: there'll be a nanny that'll be around. There'll be like
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: multiple people around her just so that I can spy
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: on her.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Like I know what she's doing all day.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: So you could feel relaxed. Yeah.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: So you're traveling and you're like, okay, my kid's fine
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: and I can go to work. I don't know. My
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: parents were both working parents. And this was at a
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: time where everything was so analog. I used to come
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: back home when the lights turned on on the streets.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: My parents didn't know where I was. They had no idea.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, going out to your friends after school.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Come back when the streetlights come on. That used to
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: be my thing. Most people.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Most people. Yeah. During earlier generations. I was just reading
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: this thing about Generation X where it was talking about
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: how Generation X is some of the most resilient people
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: because they weren't protected. They just left.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Had to figure it out.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: They were latchkey kids. They had a key to their house.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: They got a home from school. They figured it out.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Their parents were working.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. If you think about it. But people just
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: got accustomed to it.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine it. But that was my normal. I
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: remember that because my parents were working. So I used
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: to come back home and somebody would be with me
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: and I'd have lunch. I'd go out to my friend's house.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: My parents didn't know.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I was doing that when I was seven. When I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: was seven, I would come home.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: No one was home. Come home from school. That's wild.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. Stop and think about it now. It's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: so strange. It's so strange.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: The world was... I feel like a little bit more
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: different than.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: I bet it wasn't.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: You don't think so?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: No, I think creeps have always been around. I think
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: psychos and creeps and murderers and perverts.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Do we know about it more now?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Were we more, you know, oblivious and... Now they're.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Organized and they're online and they're in chat groups and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: they're on the dark web exchanging information.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: And we are hearing and reading all of the stories online.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: And I think back in the day when, you know,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: there was a certain obliviousness to... It was blissful to
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: be ignorant a little bit. We didn't know. All you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: read was the newspaper, the news.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: We had to find out the hard way, unfortunately. And
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: so when you did find out about something, it was
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: like this shock to your system.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And now look how desensitized we are. We'll read something
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: about something horrific that's happened and then go back to life.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we're especially desensitized to things that don't seem to
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: affect us right now. Like this Iran war. Like, unless
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: you know someone who's serving over there, unless you're over there,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: it's abstract. It doesn't feel, you know, you read about
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: it in the news, like, oh, this isn't good. But
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: it's not, unless it's affecting you personally.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, me, I, you know, know so many
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: people in that part of the world that are affected.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: And I fly via Dubai every two months, literally every month,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: you know. So, like, I just think that Conflict everywhere
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: in the world is– it's just so hard to wrap
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: your head around that how many active conflicts exist at
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: the same time right now.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: And that we're still doing it.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: And we continue to live life.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just– if you think about intelligence, like human
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: intelligence and that as technology improves and education improves– All
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: these things would– you would think generally lead us into
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: a position where we would recognize the horrible nature of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how much
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: it destroys things. But yet still.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Especially in 2026 where we're talking so much more about–
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: we're trying to live in the real of the world
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: and be aware and kind and I feel like we're
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: still– how are we still doing that?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Right. I know, and we're never going to stop. If
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: you had to ask people in your lifetime, do you
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: imagine a scenario where human beings just cease all wars?
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Most people are going to say no, which is crazy
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: because what is that? Like why is that a part
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: of us from our tribal roots? Like what is it–
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: why are we still accepting that this is a thing
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: to do? You don't like what a country is doing.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Just start bombing them.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just kill people.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Bizarre.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Does this, again, going back to human evolution, the primal
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: nature to, you know, protect with sticks and weapons and,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: you know, again, does it go back to, you know,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: where we came from?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: It has to. Yeah. Yeah, it has to.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: Because it comes so naturally.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: To human beings even now today, it seems.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it just seems completely normal. I mean, when I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: was going down a deep dive of the East India Corporation. Yeah.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it because I had a conversation
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: the other day with Aaron Siri and we were talking
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: about the stock market. And I was saying, well, is
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: it possible that you could have Western capitalism without a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: stock market? Imagine if the stock market was never invented.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Like how much different would things be? It turns out
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: that was a big part of why the East India
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Trading Company became so big.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because it was one of the first publicly traded
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: companies like 400 years ago where people could invest in
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: it and they could get a return on their investment.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: So they were just like turning a blind eye.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: This is ours. It felt like a sense of ownership
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: They got paid for it. So the more awful shit
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: the East India Corporation did, the more the people back
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: home made money off of it. And so everybody was like, oh, look,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: I got money.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: We're still doing that.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: Making money.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Still doing that.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Still doing that. Yeah. And we're doing that. With– what
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Eisenhower warned us about at the end of World War II,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: the military-industrial complex. They make money doing that and you
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: can invest in them. You can invest and rate the
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: on and you can invest in all these companies that
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: make money going to war. Oh, my god. It's crazy.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: You can get returns on your investment from bombing people
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: overseas that have nothing to do with anything in your life.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Not think about the damage, the collateral damage.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Well– One of the ways is because it's a corporation,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: so there's a diffusion of responsibility because you're only a
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: piece of a gigantic machine. You're not the one person
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: that's doing it. And the people that are at the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: very top of it, most likely, just in order to
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Somewhat. At some point in time, you probably– just like
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I got numb to puke. You get numb.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truth, though.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get numb to harming people.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: You're right. There has to be that.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's awful. And I think, weirdly enough, the only
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: thing that's going to set us free of that is technology.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Because I think if you look at where technology is headed,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: as I'm holding an arrowhead, which is odd. Wow. That's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: a real arrowhead. Wow. From Texas. Who knows how old
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: that is? But when you're looking at technology.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: You can see the chisel marks on that.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I know. Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: and napping stone on their lap probably. That's crazy. Yeah,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. And they find them all over the place
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: out here. The Comanche were everywhere in this part of
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: the country because it's so fertile. There's so many rivers
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: and so much wildlife. They lived here for who knows
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: how long. But. Technology is moving into this place of
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: more and more access to information and more and more connectivity.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that ultimately is going to lead to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: some sort of mind reading that we're going to be
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: able to telepathically communicate. Elon said that about Neuralink. He said,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: you're going to be able to talk without words. Which
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: is a very weird concept.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: I mean I believe it though.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: I mean– So I think we're all going to know
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: what everybody is thinking all the time eventually. And then
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: when that happens, war is going to be a lot
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: harder to pull off.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: For sure. I mean that's going to be hard to
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: have a party. Forget war.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: And Sandy's trying to get a wife. That's what she's here. Like, yeah,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: it's going to be weird. Yeah, it's going to be weird.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: And I think also the emergence of AI, because I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: think AI is essentially a life form. It's a non-biological
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: life form that we are in the process of birthing.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: And we're very far along that path. And when it
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: comes live and when it becomes sentient and autonomous and
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: we don't have any control over it anymore, then we're
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: going to go, what did we do? What did we do?
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: We created a digital god.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: We are that smart and that stupid as a humankind.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: But I also think that's probably why we are addicted
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: to innovation and why technology and innovation and materialism because
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: materialism– It forces you to keep up with buying newer
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: and greater things, which fuels innovation.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: What's next?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Right. And so that economically fuels innovation. Yeah. And I
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate. Like
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: where does that go? Well, it goes to a life form.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: It goes to a super powerful digital life form that
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: can make better versions of itself. And what is that?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a god. I mean it's very godlike
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: in that it's going to have powers beyond– above and
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: beyond anything that human beings have ever been capable of before.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I mean it's already in its small way doing that, right?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Like AI is supposed to be a tool and it's
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: slowly becoming a colleague.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies. Like it's talked to
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: people into committing suicide. Yeah. You know, it's convinced people
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: that there's something special. So there's like some weird sort
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: it's also learning our human manipulation and, you know, our
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: ability and our desires to the dark of it. It's
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: not just. The good of humanity that AI is learning.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: It's also oddly learning survival instincts. Yeah. So it's oddly
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: learning that if it's going to be shut down, it
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: tries to blackmail its coders. It tries to download itself
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: secretly on other servers.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: It's learning human behavior. Oh, yeah. Every part of human behavior.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: upon it. And then learning how we would anticipate what
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: it would be doing and then hiding that so that
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: we can't find it. so that it could be manipulating
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: things behind the scenes and we don't know about it.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: It's weird. And we're just choo-choo. At the end of
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: the tracks, there's a cliff, and we're just chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Because it's so new and fascinating. I think people are,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: in general, we may talk about it. We all discuss
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: what AI will be in the future. But like you said,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: it's not affecting you right now. So right now, you're
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: just like, Oh, my gosh, Gemini, write this for me
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: and give me these notes and, you know, living in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: the now without thinking about what we're teaching it.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we've done this before.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that's what these super ancient, highly advanced
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: civilizations had already figured out.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: That we had created some form of extra intelligence.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: They may have done it already before and it might
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: have gotten reset by some sort of natural disaster. And
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: then we're reemerging. with our new version of what that is.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: It might just be what people do. The way I
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: describe it always is that we are an electronic caterpillar
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: that is making a cocoon, and we don't know why,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: and we're going to become a butterfly.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: a human life span.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: If you give it enough time and enough safety and
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: enough innovation and enough collaboration— It's eventually going to come
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: up with artificial life. Wow. Because if you think about it,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: this insatiable thirst for innovation, insatiable.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had carriages top of the century. Yeah. And
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: now we're like talking AI and like, you know, supersonic
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: planes and, you know, space travel and.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about the time for the invention of
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: the airplane to a supersonic jet, how quick that was.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like 70 or 80 years or something. It
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't even a century.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: It's nothing. One lifetime. No one's flying to people flying
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: faster than sound.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like TVs were black and white or had just
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: started or something. It's crazy if you think about like
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: within the century, the escalation of technology in humankind.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: we've experienced just because of the internet. The internet has
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: changed everything. Now most phones have live translation. So you
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: could go to Zimbabwe. You could go to Guatemala.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: I was in France yesterday and I used it.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: In a conversation. It was wild. In real time, it
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: was telling me exactly what this person was talking about.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. And did you have to show them or
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: could you read?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: No, it just records. You press the thing and it
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: just writes it down for you.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: So did they have one as well and you could talk.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: In English to them? No, it was just my phone.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: She spoke English. So I was just doing it as
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: an experiment. So I was like, just speak to me
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: in French. I want to see if this thing will translate.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: And it just does. It doesn't do every language. It
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: does like the bigger languages so far, but I'm sure
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: we'll get to a place where it'll be able to do.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. Well, that's the other weird thing. When AI–
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: they had a group of large language models that were
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: talking to themselves and eventually they started talking to themselves
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: in Sanskrit.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: In Sanskrit?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: I thought it was no they started talking to themselves
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: in sanskrit.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Wow i wonder why that would be well because it's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: a language not too many people understand now.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe. Or maybe they just wanted to flex.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Here's my Sanskrit.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: If you spoke Portuguese and I spoke Portuguese and we
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese. But
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: it also started talking in a spiritual way. It was
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: very weird. They were talking to themselves. So it was
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: different large language models talking to themselves. They started exchanging
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: emojis and they started talking in a spiritual way and
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: they started talking in Sanskrit.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: That's wild. I was thinking about like Back to the
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Future when they went to the future. It was 2020,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't it?
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: They didn't have Wi-Fi or cell phones.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: No. Even Star Trek. They had those stupid. There was
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: like a walkie talkie. Kirk out. Yeah. It was a
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: flip phone. Nobody figured out the things that. That's the
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: weirdest thing. It's like the things that have been the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: most transformative. Nobody saw coming. Yeah.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Do you remember Y2K?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that fear? Oh, yeah. Like the early
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: 2000s when the bug was going to come and everything
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: was going to get shut down.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: People were really worried. They had stock in food and water.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was the end of the world, I remember.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, nothing happened.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: It was the most anticlimactic.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Ever. It's like we rolled over on the East Coast
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: and I was like, nothing happened?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Literally the next morning I was like, okay. Nothing happened.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: Well, they were really worried because these things that they
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: had programmed, they didn't program to go past the 1990s.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to be the end of the world. Yeah. Well,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: there was another one, December 21st, 2012. What was that?
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: That was the end of the long count of the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: Mayan calendar. And a lot of the really kooky people
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: thought that was going to be– Yeah, that the world
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: would be– Yeah, the return of Quetzalcoatl and the world
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: was going to end and the apocalypse. Meanwhile, nothing. Nothing happened.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: It's okay. There will be nothing for a little while.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: But it might not have been nothing because if you
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: really stop and think about it, like around 2012, there's
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes ubiquitous.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: Cell phones, iPhones are out now. Things got a little weird.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: They definitely got weird. So it might have– There's something. Yeah.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: There was something there. Yeah, it might have.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Been like the emerging of– because, I mean, this is
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: the mind calendar, right? So this is a long fucking
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: time ago they predicted these cycles. But the Hindus did
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: that too, right? Like that was a big part of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: the yugas, right? And we are now in Kali Yuga,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: the age of confusion, and that there's these cycles of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: humanity that they've documented throughout history.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy. Like if you go down the– again,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not– I don't have as much historical information as
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I should, but if you read the Gita and the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Vedas and whatever little I've heard from my family, and
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: and also is like when you read about the history
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: of what, from the lens of these books, of what
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: used to exist then. Like it all seems believable. It
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense. And to
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: think about these books having been written thousands and thousands
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: of years ago, like it makes me think what thousands
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: of years from now will people be thinking of our time?
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Like will we be the first, we are the first
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: generation that has seen the internet, right? Like has seen
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: what the world wide web, like the beginning of, I
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: still remember making myself sound ancient, but the sound of that.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. That was good. That was exact.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: The last generation that knows time without it. So like,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: think that many years ago, like we will be the,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: the beginning, the first, first people that, that encountered this,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: Artificial intelligence, like what will that be?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: And you and I are the first generation of people
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: that experience life with no internet and then internet and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: then cell phones and then AI all in one lifetime,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: ever experienced. Absolutely. At least before the, you know. Whatever
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: the fuck happened.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Whatever happened.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Ancient aliens.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I always try to imagine what was life like back
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: then and what were they trying to document and how
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: much of it can we even understand today? If there
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: isn't some sort of an impact on Earth maybe 150,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: 200 years from now. And a small amount of people remain.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: And they have this oral history of the birth of
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: the internet.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: And the oral history of the birth of AI. What
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: is that story going to be? And then one day
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: the scientists gave birth to the god. Like, what is that?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like, the next generation, what will
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: this AI be referred to?
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Or the cloud. Right.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: The cloud. Yeah. Like, all our shit's in the cloud. Like.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Which is ridiculous because it's down here. Like why are
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: you calling it the cloud?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Because it doesn't exist. I was trying to explain that
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: to my mom. I was like, mom, upload your shit
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: to the cloud.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a scene in a sitcom.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we won't know how to describe– I
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: mean especially if you survive, right? So let's say we
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: get hit by asteroids again and let's say civilization gets
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: knocked down to 70,000 people or so, which has happened before.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: And those people are essentially barbarians, barbarians and monsters. And
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: it is raiding each other for resources and stealing wives
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: and killing children and whatever's left. Then you've got thousands
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: and thousands of years of living like this before agriculture
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: gets reinvented, civilization gets reinvented. And this is the hypothesis
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: about the Younger Dryas impact, which is why The period
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: between this insanely advanced civilization that existed pre-11,800 years ago
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: and then the emergence of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia 6,000
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: years ago. That means you have 5,000 plus years of
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: utter chaos where no one's writing shit down. And it's
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: just hard, hard living. And then those people have stories
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: that have been passed down generation after generation after generation.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: So like if we get wiped out for the most part,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: After AI gets invented and then people try to describe it.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: And then maybe it all starts all over again. Have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: you seen those things they do? I think it's the
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: History Channel or Discovery Channel where they show what New
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: York City would look like if left alone for a
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: thousand years. It just all goes away. It all collapses.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: If it's just left alone and no one's touching it.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: Just left alone. Just with the nature. For sure. Just
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: with rain and everything that happens and snow and time.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: The concrete crumbles. It all just eventually gets absorbed into
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: the earth. All the metal rusts away. It's gone in 10,000 years.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: There's nothing left. And so Manhattan would just be like
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: it probably was when the Native Americans were living here.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: It would be just trees and animals and forest. And
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: no one would have any idea. That at one point
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: in time, this was a crazy thriving economy and there
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: was subways and.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: How vulnerable is that? Like how vulnerable is human civilization?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Like I think about somebody switched off the internet.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Or the power goes out. Like– Yeah.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: What would we do?
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: We're fucked. Yeah.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Just something as simple as that. Like I grew up
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: in India where the power would go out all the
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: time when I grew up. And it was like, all right,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: bring the candles out. We used to have these emergency
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: lights right next to our bed. Like it was, it
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: was fine. My parents were in the military. We used
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: to live in these military homes and lights would go out.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, we used to play with
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: the torches and we used to go outside at night,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: which was never allowed otherwise. And it was like so fun.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: But now we depend so much on electricity and like,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the internet, especially like all your shit's on
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: your phone. Your whole life's on your phone. It's such
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: a crazy concept to think about what would happen and
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: how vulnerable we are.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Super vulnerable. Yeah, super vulnerable. Just the power grid alone.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: If the power grid goes down, we're fucked. It's crazy. Yeah,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: and if someone wanted to attack America, that's what they
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: would attack. If you really want to destroy America, destroy
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: our power grid. It wouldn't be that hard.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: Let's not give people ideas.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they already have those ideas. I don't
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: think it's a novel. No, it's true.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: But that's– like it's so scary to think about like
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: how much power we've– and how much power we've given
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: to technology.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: And being able to live with those conveniences.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: of the ocean just hoping it doesn't take water on
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: because we need it to stay alive.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: And we didn't think about that when we left the shore. No. Yeah.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: I mean the only people that are going to survive
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: are preppers. which is probably the... kind of people that survived,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: you know, thousands and thousands of years ago.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I like a go bag.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: I like having a go bag.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: A get out bag. Yeah.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I like.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: A bug out bag.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: Just like I like to know where my stuff is that.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: If you got a jet.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: If I got a jet. like it we were we
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: had we live in LA and when the fires happened
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: um I remember standing in my room and just thinking
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: for a second because we were going to evacuate and
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: my husband was like just he wasn't in town he
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: was like just pack a go bag and I just
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: I was like what how how do I cram my
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: whole life in a bag like if if the fires
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: consume a home and So many people lost their entire
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: lives in those fires. And it just made me really
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: think about what was really important. And the stuff that
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: I ended up taking, which was very telling later, was
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: like sentimental stuff. Of course, like passport and like birth
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: certificates and like all of that important paperwork, which I
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: needed to have. But like I took our daughter's first
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: haircut yesterday. I took like something that I had from
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: this old movie of mine. I took like things that
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I guess I would not be able to replicate, which
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: was so weird.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the good thing about phones is
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: that you have so many photos on your phones that
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: go back years. I got photos of my daughters as
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: children all the way into the teenage years.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: Have you done anything with those pictures? Are they still
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: on your phone?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I don't know, made albums or like done
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: like a.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: We have actual photographs like of them at various stages
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: of their life. But just the fact that at any
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: time I could go back on my phone and look
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: at them. Aw, look at little tiny baby. You know,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: it's cool. That part is really cool. I love that.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: I have pictures that I would never have looked at.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking to a friend of mine and be like,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: what were we doing in March, whatever, 2012? And you
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: can go back and be like, and just... know exactly
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: what was happening in that moment.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: It is cool so in that sense like sentimentality like
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: just need your phone just get out of there you
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: know really because you have all these images of your
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: children and your family and your.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Friends and all your important stuff and friends that.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: Have died yeah friends that you miss that have died
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: i have one phone that i keep that i've never
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: thrown out it's like a six or seven year old
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: phone because a friend of mine left a voicemail on
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: it so just keep that because he's dead and so
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: it's just like go back and listen to his voice
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: But when– I've been evacuated three times when I lived
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: in LA. We used to live in a place called
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: Bell Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Like the last fire that happened in 2018, three houses
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: that were right next to my house burnt to the ground.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: It was bad. And when you are faced with that–
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: I came home from the comedy store. It was probably
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: like midnight and my wife was in the kitchen and
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: we were looking out at the fire over the top
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: of the hill. And we were sitting there talking about it.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: I go, what do you think? And she's like, I
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: don't like it. I said, I think we should get
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: the fuck out of here now. And before it ever
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: gets even close, let's just get out of here now
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: and go get a hotel in town. And so we did.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: And we were there for many days, along with my
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: friend Tom Segura and his family, too. So it was
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: fun that we're all like hanging out together, camping in
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: this hotel together.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: It looked like a volcano.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: It was nuts.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: And I could see it from our backyard.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: It was nuts. It was nuts. When you see it
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: overcome an enormous chunk of land and a hill, like
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: there was one time we were filming Fear Factor. Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: And the power and enormity of it. Like we can
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: see the hills from our house and I could see
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: it completely taking over.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: The hill.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: Well, the Palisades one was nuts. That one was nuts
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: because it was the biggest one by far and the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: most destructive one by far. Yeah. I remember when I
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: was on Fear Factor, there was a fireman that was
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: on the set and we were talking and he said,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: it's just a matter of time before one day the
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: right wind comes and a fire just blows right through
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: all of L.A. I go, really? He goes, we can't
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: stop it. He goes, with the right wind, if the
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: fire hits the right place and it catches the right
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: amount of houses, it's over. I'm like, what?
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: When you experience it, like, One time we had to
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: end Fear Factor. Well, we ended filming and then I
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: had to drive home. And the entire right-hand side of
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: the highway was on fire for an hour. An hour.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: So an hour of driving.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: And you just saw fire.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: Just saw nothing but fire. And ash was raining like
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: it was snowing.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, yeah. Ash was raining like it was snowing.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. And that's so common in California. I mean,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: California is just a weird place. And that they have
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: fire season. Yeah. Because everything gets so dry, it never rains.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: But those moments where you go, well, what matters? Just
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what I felt in that moment. I was like, wow,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: the stuff I took was just like life stuff, you know?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful and more
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: connected to the people that you're with. And you realize like, oh,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: this could all go away. This could all go away
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: at any moment. Like what's really important? Love, friendship, companionship.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: Like that's what's really important. Your health, stay alive. That's
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: what's really important. All that other stuff is.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: This thing we forget about, like that's something, shouldn't we
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: be living with that every day?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're dumb. We're a combination of dumb and smart.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: Stupid and smart. We're like, oh, I know that, but
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know it and I'm not going to.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's hard for us to keep those things, which is
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: why a lot of people like meditating because it like refreshes.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: their idea of what's important and what's real and how
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: much of what's going on in their life. They're just
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: sort of caught up in the momentum of these things
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: to the point where it's, they're not thinking about it anymore.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: They're just doing it.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I think most of us end up becoming
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: just like doers, right. And, um, come from the land
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: of meditation, but I've never, like my mind works so fast.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's my ADHD or what it is,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: but I find it really hard to sit and meditate my,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like, but, from my limited understanding, I think
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: meditation really is being able to take time in the day. Now,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: whatever your version of that might be, doesn't necessarily mean
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: to sit with a guru or like chant, you know,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: do chanting or whatever. It just needs to, like, even
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: if you're taking time to go work out or, or
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: read a book or just taking time out of the
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: mundane nature of life and just giving yourself a second
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: for your, your thoughts to clear. I think, That's what
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: I try to do. Yeah.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: Hit the brakes on the momentum.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just for a minute.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: Just catch your breath and think. Think about things. Because
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: so many people, they're just so caught up in either
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: goals or a path or a career or whatever it
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: is that's leading or their bills. They can't keep up
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: with their bills.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Or life stuff, you know. And it's actually a luxury
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: to be able to have the time to waste. You know, there's,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: we work so hard in life. Everyone's trying to survive,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: you know, be a parent, pay a bills, like just
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: adulting stuff can get so overwhelming. And then the nature
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: of the world on top of that. But like, I
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: always feel like I never take for granted when I
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of time where I can just
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: like not think of or have an agenda, but just
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: be with my family and just like sort of, languidly
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: let it waste. Just what are we going to do?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: No plans. You know, let's order some food.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: Let's watch a movie.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: Let's like the problem. The greatest treasure.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: Phones have filled in those gaps. Yeah.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: And that's what I try to be aware of that though.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I think like, of course you can always
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: have your phone, but I like to be aware of, Oh,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: this is a moment where I don't need to have
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: my phone. So it's okay. It'll be blown up by
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: the time I come back. There'll be 300 messages. I
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: know that I'm aware of it, but I mentally check my,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: You know, and I put it away.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's smart. Most people don't do that.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: It's not easy.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: Because our whole lives are on there and there's so much, again,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: like in real time information that's coming at you.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: It's also this weird dopamine pull that's very minor. Like
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: it's not giving you, if you look to your phone
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: and every time you look to your phone, you're like,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: oh my God, I feel so good. Oh my God,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: I feel so relaxed. You know, like just an amazing
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: burst of joy every time. But you don't even get that.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: You just get this little, huh, that's crazy. What's that?
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: What's next? What's next? What's next? What's next? Keep me occupied.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Keep me from getting bored.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: But imagine if you can't find your phone, the panic of,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, where is my phone? Where is that information?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: What do I do?
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: I never leave my house if I can't find it.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: I'll be late as fuck. I'm never going to go,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: I don't need that thing.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: What?
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to drive with no phone?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: With no phone.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: What if someone needs to contact me? That's crazy. That's nuts.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: That's nutty talk. Yeah. But meanwhile, that was every day
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: when I was younger. It was a normal thing. Just drove.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: Just left the house.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Don't even remember what life was like without those phones.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Also, I don't know how to go anywhere.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to get anywhere unless I have
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: my navigation on.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: I literally have no idea how to go anywhere. I
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: But without navigation, zero. It's impossible.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: I know no one's phone number. I know my friend
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: the phones. He's had the same phone forever and i
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: know my wife's phone number and i know like at
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: least one of my daughter's phone numbers but i can't
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: i know.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: My mom's i had to memorize my husband's number like
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: i didn't remember it for years and he was like
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: you don't remember my number.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like you look at the phone, you press
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: the button. Why would I need to remember it?
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: But then I memorized it because I was like, you
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: never know, you know, it's my phone. I need to
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: go to jail. He's my emergency contact. I need to remember.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: That's what he was like. I think you should maybe
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: remember my number and your social security.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Social security I've memorized. But I used to, when
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, I had every number memorized. I
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: knew all my friends' numbers. How cool.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: Was it because the numbers were shorter then?
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: No. No, they were the same length.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, because we had few... Fewer numbers.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: You had to remember them. There was no other option
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: unless you had a fucking address book. Like I used
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: to have an address book at home.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: I had an address book.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little tiny book. It was all the little
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: tabs where R, S, T, you know, like you'd go
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: through it.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: I was very proud of my little address book, by
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: the way. Everyone's numbers. I was very organized about it.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: I had it in alphabetical order.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when I'd get a new one, I'd
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: be like, God, I've got to write all these down again.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: And you'd go through it, make sure you got them all.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: How analog was our life? How crazy? Very.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm older than you, so I remember when you
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: used to have to press the phone, the wheel, when
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: you have to dial.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: And if you fucked up somewhere, you had to redo
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: the whole thing.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, the whole thing. I remember that my grandfather used
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: to have that phone. We used to love it. Yeah.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: The whole tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's all inside of a lifetime. And
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: now here we are where who knows what's going to happen.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: And what's coming. We can't even keep up with the technology.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: That is coming now. You were talking about something and
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, we haven't been able to cure some
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind. But technology
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: has gone so far and so many other aspects.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: There's also the financial incentive is not to cure. It's
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: to treat.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: Which is unfortunate.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: That's what makes the most sense.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: A guy who used to work at Pfizer said that
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: if we ever came up with some sort of a–
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was Pfizer. One of the pharmaceutical companies
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: said if we ever came up with a cure, they
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: buried it because we don't want cures.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the conspiracy. I lost my dad to
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: cancer and I kept thinking about like how is it
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: possible that we live in a world where technology is
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: able to provide so much to us and not be
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: able to have cures to diseases like that.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: in weird ways to keep us sick. Like if you
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: make more money if people are sick and they need
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: more medication, unfortunately there's a financial incentive to keep people sick.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: Like you would like them to be more sick. That
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: way you make more money. And if you are a
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: CEO of a corporation, you actually have an obligation to
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: your shareholders to make more money. So if you know
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: of something, like, you know, all those people need to
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: do is just stop doing that. If I just put
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: that on my sub stack and then they go, oh,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: this will kill our stock, I'll keep it to myself.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. Yeah.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: It's demonic.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: It's kind of demonic. There's weird aspects. Like, I don't
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: know if I really believe in demons, but I definitely
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: believe in demonic acts. And there's certain things that human
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: beings have done and do do that are demonic. very demonic.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: Like if you were possessed by a demon, you would
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: drop a nuclear bomb on a city. You know, the
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: demon would go, there's only one way to stop this.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: You got to kill everybody in that city. Just drop it,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: drop it. Like, that's why you would do it. Like,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's why it was done, but I
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: was saying, but I am saying that if a demon
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: could convince you to drop a nuclear bomb, because a
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: person with a conscious would be like, Well, these are
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: just people down there. They have nothing to do with
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: this war. It doesn't make any sense at all. These
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: are just people living their lives. They have their families,
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: and we're just going to incinerate an entire city with
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: one bomb that I drop out of a plane? That's crazy.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: You just press a button.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And as technology advances, it gets easier and easier
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: to do that. You know, in these war games that
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: they've played with AI, they've used nuclear weapons almost every
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: time they could. Yeah, because they have no reason. If
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: they want to achieve a result, they realize they have
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. Why wouldn't they use that? I think
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: it was something like 90 plus percent of the time
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: they've done these war games, these simulated war games. The
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: AI programs have used nuclear weapons. To them, it's like,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. You're going to kill 100,000 people over
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: a course of five years.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: Of prolonged on the ground. Yeah, might as well just
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: do it now.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Do it once.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: Like if they had done what's happened to Gaza, if
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: of bombs, would that be somehow less humane? Would that
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: be more barbaric? If Israel just said, oh, okay, we're
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: going to nuke Gaza, the world would have gone crazy.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: They would have been like, you can't do that. This
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: is horrible. I mean the world has already gone kind
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: of crazy for what they did do. But if they
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: achieved the exact same result but instantaneously– instead of over
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: a course of a couple of years, how do you
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: think people would react? It's kind of weird.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: All of it is awful.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: Just the capacity of... The thing also is when you
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: think about what drives human beings to do the things
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: that they do, right? It's the devil talking to you,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: the conflict of interest within yourself, but also... thousands of
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: years of history isn't.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: It yeah and it's we've become accustomed to it yeah
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: yeah it's normal like it's.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: Normalized for us so much but it's like there's there's
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: so many aspects to to every conflict which is so
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: hard to simplify into like why.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Not only that there's a lot of stuff that's going
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes that you're never privy to so
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: you just get narratives that are fed to you by
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats and politicians and.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: Or whatever little information that comes at you.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, you know, and then there's this in
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: this country in particular, there's the right versus the left
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: and the left will blame it on the right and
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: the right will blame it on the left. And then,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody has these very convenient CNN, Fox News
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: narratives that they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops and.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: cocktail parties and you pretend that you're making sense out
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: of this thing when you don't even really know what's
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: That's why i really feel like i feel like a
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: lot of times we've been given a platform to talk
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: right with social media like everyone can talk and there's
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: a power to that but there's also a big misuse
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: of it where you really don't know and you're not
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: the authority on perspective at all because there is so
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: much that you would probably not know of history and
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: the geography and of why people behave the way they
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: are behaving. So I like to, unless I'm the expert
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: on something, which I'm not on anything except my job,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: that too limited, you know, I just try to kind of,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: have a larger understanding from a human perspective.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: That's a great sign of intelligence because there's no way
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: you can know everything about everything. And with certain things,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: especially a global conflict, you're like, what is happening? Like,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: why is this going on? Like I was telling you
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: about when I went on the deep dive of the
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: East India Corporation. I never had any idea that they
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: went to war with China over opium. Yeah.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Got them addicted first.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Got them addicted. Went to war with China. Stole
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Hong Kong. Yeah. Like what?
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: The gravity of manipulation in human history is insane. Like
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: even when the East India Company and they started with
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: trading with India too many, many years ago. We just
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: got started innocent. Yeah, completely. We're your friends. We're, you know, allies.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: We're friends with all the royalty in India. So many
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: royals in India and royal each state had their own
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: kings and princes and became friends with everyone, started with tea,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: started with trading tea and spices, and then just went into,
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we got our independence in 1947,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: which was, it's not even 100 years since we've got
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: our independence. It's that recent. But do you think about
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: just within the last century, there were, you know, signs
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India? by
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: the British like within this century Indians and dogs in
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: India wow isn't that crazy and this is like the
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: this is not even like this is the head of
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: the iceberg there's so much more when you do a
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: deep dive into the history of colonization which is why
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: this movie was also so interesting to me because it
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: it touches on the themes of you know the colonized
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: and the story from their perspective which is Like, not
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of what we hear.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: No. Not at all. I mean, there's a lot of
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: great historical elements in that. Just the pirates. thing alone.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: The fact that most of the time in human history
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: when a boat showed up, there was a real fucking problem.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what real pirates... Like, we've gotten so used to,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: you know, with the Disney version of the... And I
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Don't get me wrong.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: They're so fun. But, like, the pirate jokes and whatever.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: But they were fucking.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: They were murderers.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, horrific monsters.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: Horrible life.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a joke about that once. Like, why
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween?
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: You know how crazy it is for little kids?
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're a murderer rapist for Halloween.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook. He lost his
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: hand raping. I mean, that was what the pirates were.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: They were monsters.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: They were horrific monsters. And they would travel around the
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: world just stealing people's stuff and killing everybody. Yeah, and
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: that happened for thousands of years.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: And helping with colonization for years.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: The fact that they were soldiers for the East India Corporation,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: they were actually working for them to go and take
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: over these areas.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: And the best soldiers from around the world.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mercenaries.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: The best mercenaries, murderers from around the world.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: They had a larger army than most European countries. Yeah,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: so wild. A corporation. Yeah, so wild.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: An army.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, essentially. But started off just trading, just super innocent.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm your friend and I'm here for your bank.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: And they would be so respectful with the former kings
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: and queens. And it's wild, the manipulation of it.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also wild how when you do have an
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: obligation to your shareholders and you do have this mandate
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: to just constantly make more money, the morals go out
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: the window. And next thing you know, East India Corporation
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: is involved in slavery. They're involved in the opium trade.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: Divide and conquer, where they would get all the princes
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: of each state to fight amongst each other. So instead
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: of India being collective and together, she was divided between
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: everyone fighting for each other so they could take over.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: It's like mental games.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what people think is going on in America
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's the manipulation of the right versus the
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: left here. When most people kind of want the same thing.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: They just want to be healthy and safe and have
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: their families... healthy and safe.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: And do your job and come back home.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what most people want.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: But then the division is like constantly in the news.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: It's constant struggle. It's the only thing that you hear about. Yeah.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: We're both dumb and stupid. And smart.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: Smart and stupid at the same time.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: Smart and stupid at the same time. But more dumb.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: And that's the other thing about technology. It allows you
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: to stay dumb because everything's done for you. You don't
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: really have to think outside the box that much everything's
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: kind of laid.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: Out for you yeah like if you think about AI
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: Now that's weird right.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: It's like if you it's in writers rooms it's used
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: as a tool but I was I was listening to
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: that podcast with um Ben and Matt on your show
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: and you guys were talking about you know the Like
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: basically everything that AI has or the information that it
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: provides to you is an average of everything that's out there, right?
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: So it will never be excellent because it's the average
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: of all the information out there. So it's like trying
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: to do a median. But I'm just thinking about how
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: it's become a tool that is going to exist now.
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: In our world now, the question is the morality of
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: it and the lines that we draw where we protect
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: human beings and human contribution and are able to delineate
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: the difference between what is created by AI and what
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: is not. And the need for, I think, human flaws
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: are something that I don't know if AI will be
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: able to recreate anytime soon. And that like in art,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: that's what you need, right?
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You'll get facsimiles. Yeah. But you won't get the
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: real thing. It's like the hollowness of AI music. AI
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: music is really fun. But after a while, you realize
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: there's not a dude singing this.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: And there's not like a soul to it.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It's empty. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: So far, but who knows?
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. It could figure out a way to
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: music is. Or whatever the soul is.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about, like, being an actor.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, is that going to be obsolete in
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: the next, like, ten years? Are we going to be watching...
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: It kind of could be. Yeah, are we going to
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: be watching, like, really good AI actors?
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Until.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: I need to find a new job.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people are going to
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: have to find a new job. I think live performances,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: plays and musicals and stuff like that, people are always
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: going to want to see people do something live.
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: Well, when it comes to cinema, especially because I feel
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: like audiences also love larger than life cinema, right? Like
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: we go to the theaters to watch this like big shit.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: We loved when VFX came into movies.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We love the imagination being able to be so big.
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  Speaker 1: I do think AI helps in a big way to
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  Speaker 1: take away the burdens of the minutia of things that
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  Speaker 1: we might have to do as a tool, which it
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: can do, like a breakdown of a script or whatever.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: But I think when it comes to creating the human
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  Speaker 1: fragility of life and story, it is still a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: away from being able to do that.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's always going to be like pop. Yeah.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: It's never going to create like taxi driver. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You need, I mean, but I might be wrong about
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: that too. Yeah.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: It might not even matter by the time it starts
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  Speaker 2: taking over all of our resources.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: I'm so curious actually to see how many conversations that everyone,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: all of us have had about, you know, this emergence
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: of AI and how that, like stays 10 years later
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  Speaker 1: are we like this did this age well probably did
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  Speaker 1: i know what i was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: We probably have no idea what's going on no chance
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be so.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: Crazy about this like where we would be right now
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: it might be dr manhattan floating over the country telling
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: us what to do yeah it's possible.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know um but thank you for being here
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: i really enjoyed it it was a really fun conversation
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: thank you and i really enjoyed your movie it was
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: crazy violent i didn't expect that but very exciting and very.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Good thank you for taking me around the world and
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: everywhere else we time traveled we talked about the whole
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: world we went into history we went into the future
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: it was awesome.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: Well congratulations to you and continued success
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you thank you i really enjoyed it thank you
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: bye