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Sharri | 16 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: We're broadcasting live from Bondai Beach in the aftermath of
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Speaker 3: the worst terror attack in Australia's history. Tonight, in an
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Speaker 3: exclusive interview, New South Wales Premier Chris Mins makes the
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Speaker 3: extraordinary admission there were only two police officers in the
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Speaker 3: park when the shooting began. I also press him on
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Speaker 3: the scourge of radical Islam and whether he's doing.
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Speaker 4: Enough to protect the Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: That big sit down coming up.
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Speaker 3: Also on the show, how Rabbi Elie Schlanger was killed
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Speaker 3: trying to protect innocent civilians and how his newborn baby
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Speaker 3: was caught in the crossfire. This heart wrenching story shortly
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Speaker 3: plus new information about one of the gunmen's radical past.
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Speaker 3: Well today, the Prime Minister pushed ahead with gun reform
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Speaker 3: and is accused of failing to raise an anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: strategy with premiers at National Cabinet. Instead, the premiers were
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Speaker 3: reportedly forced to push Albanezi on what tangible steps he
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Speaker 3: planned to take now. He rejected these reports today, but
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Speaker 3: yet he couldn't outline any new anti semitism laws that
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Speaker 3: he was taking In the week of the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 2: Instead, he again spoke.
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Speaker 3: About gun reform. You can hear applause right now because
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Speaker 3: we're at the site of the memorial now where the
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Speaker 3: attack took place, and once again there are thousands, perhaps
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Speaker 3: two thousand Australians gathered to pay their respects. There's Hebrews singing,
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Speaker 3: there's prayers, there's speeches. So that's the noise you can
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Speaker 3: hear in the background, and we're going to get to
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Speaker 3: that in a moment. But the Prime Minister refused to
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Speaker 3: speak about anything other than gun reform, even as it
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Speaker 3: was reveal Yield that two Pakistani gunmen had an ISIS
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Speaker 3: flag in their car and had been on a recent
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Speaker 3: trip to the Philippines. The Australian newspaper reports twenty four
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Speaker 3: year old gunman Navid Akram's links to Islamic State with
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Speaker 3: through connections he forged as a follower of radical jihadist
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Speaker 3: preacher with Sam Hadad. Now Haddad has called Jews vile
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Speaker 3: and treacherous people, and he's previously boasted of his friendship
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Speaker 3: with terrorists Mohammad Alama and Kharlaede Sharuf. He reportedly worshiped
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Speaker 3: at the controversial Al Medina Dawa Center, known for its extremists.
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Speaker 3: Videos from twenty nineteen also show him proselytizing and handing
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Speaker 3: out pamphlets for the Street Dawn movement, also associated with extremists.
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Speaker 1: This is a right that Allah hasn't he gave. He
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Speaker 1: gave us all these handles. If you're if you're doing.
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Speaker 3: Pretty in a vision, then we're stealing from a law.
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Speaker 1: We're stealing his right, glovel laws that we bring him in.
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Speaker 5: Whatever he says, we do.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reports that weeks after this video was filmed,
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Speaker 3: police arrested several associates of the group, including his friend
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Speaker 3: Isaac al Matari, an Islamic state operative and a self
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Speaker 3: declared Australian commander of the group, and despite Akrom's known
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Speaker 3: relationship with al Matari, authorities appeared to have concluded he
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Speaker 3: was not an active or high risk member of the group. Now,
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Speaker 3: clearly we can all see that this was the ideology
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Speaker 3: behind the terror attack that took place right here. As
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Speaker 3: Josh Fridenberg said today, Gunn stole fifteen innocent lives, but
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Speaker 3: Islamist ideology pulled the trigger. Now, the Prime Minister Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanezi acknowledged isis inspired the attack, but announced no new
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Speaker 3: laws to deal with radical Islam or counter anti Semitism today,
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Speaker 3: just gun laws.
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Speaker 6: The consideration that will take place includes limiting the number
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Speaker 6: of guns in individual canon, the type of guns to
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Speaker 6: the legal whether gun ownership should require a strained citizenship,
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Speaker 6: and accelerating work on the National Firearm to Register.
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Speaker 3: And there are reports that other premiers had to raise
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Speaker 3: the issue of anti Semitism at a national Cabinet meeting
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Speaker 3: in the wake of this terror attack because the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister was only.
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Speaker 2: Focused on gun reform.
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Speaker 3: He rejected these reports at a press conference today, but
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Speaker 3: former Prime Minister John Howard took exception with Albanese's approach
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Speaker 3: to this devastating tragedy, and he said gun reform was
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Speaker 3: just a distraction.
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Speaker 7: And as for specific changes to gunners, I don't want
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Speaker 7: them to become a diversion, an excuse, and that's the
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Speaker 7: fear I have.
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Speaker 5: There.
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Speaker 7: Are you know we're going to tighten these laws, make
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Speaker 7: them even better. Well, I told you it'd be a
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Speaker 7: good idea to tighten. Good idea if you had have
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Speaker 7: tightened your language over the last couple of years and
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Speaker 7: sound as though you were fair Dingham in stopping the
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Speaker 7: spread of any symages.
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Speaker 3: Now, in contrast to Albanezy, I can exclusively tell you
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Speaker 3: that opposition leader Susan Lee has set up a coalition
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Speaker 3: Task FORSS to deal with anti Semitism, extremism and counter terror.
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee herself, James Patterson, Julian Lisa, Andrew Wallace, Michaylia Cash,
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Speaker 3: John o'dunham and Bridget mackenzie are all part of this
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Speaker 3: Task FORSS and they're going to focus on three key areas,
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Speaker 3: implementing Jillian Siegel's report, focusing on practical outcomes, national security
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Speaker 3: and counter terror responses, where they'll assess emerging risks in
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Speaker 3: the current framework and.
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Speaker 2: Also gaps in law enforcement powers.
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Speaker 3: They'll also develop policy options to disrupt extremist networks, and
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Speaker 3: there'll be Jewish community engagement and protection. Now I can
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Speaker 3: tell you that they met today for the first time,
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Speaker 3: this new task force, and they'll meet with Anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: Envoy Jillian Siegel tomorrow. Now, this is the sort of
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Speaker 3: action that we should be seeing from the Albanesi government. Instead,
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister looks uncomfortable speaking about radical Islam, and
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Speaker 3: he struggled to give a coherent answer on the revelations
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Speaker 3: that the terror attack was driven by Islamic State.
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Speaker 8: A reportedly at least to Islamic State, where connections he
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Speaker 8: made as a follower of Jihada's preacher with Dahada his
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Speaker 8: rival islam of and how can preaching still be allowed?
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Speaker 6: Well, what we know already is as part of the
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Speaker 6: investigation is it goes to motive. And what he's being
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Speaker 6: investigated as a commissioner has said is that it would
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Speaker 6: appear that there is evidence that this was inspired by
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Speaker 6: a terrorist organization by isis radical perversion of Islam is
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Speaker 6: absolutely a problem.
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Speaker 3: Yet no new measures, no laws, no ideas, just weak
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Speaker 3: language there. Clearly he doesn't seem too concerned about this issue. Now,
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Speaker 3: a key figure in the Trump administration, United States Senator
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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham has come out swinging at the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: over its weak response to this tarror attack. Now, Lindsay
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Speaker 3: Graham said this about the Australian model of.
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Speaker 9: Gun control Western Europe and now Australia, you're pathetically weak
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Speaker 9: in the face of religious Nazis. That the Australian model
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Speaker 9: failed the Australian Jewish community, it failed the.
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Speaker 1: Australian people and gun control.
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Speaker 9: You think that's the answer to fighting isis you're an idiot?
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Speaker 2: Some common sense from Lindsey Graham.
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Speaker 3: And once again it shows that the entire world can
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Speaker 3: see the weakness of the Albanese government on anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Recall how quick Tony Burke an Albanzi were to act
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Speaker 3: when it came to departing in near Nazi to South Africa.
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Speaker 2: I mean they were right to do that.
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Speaker 3: Yet why haven't any hate preachers been departed when their
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Speaker 3: radicalization risks sparking more terror attacks in Australia, just like
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Speaker 3: the attack that killed fifteen innocent victims, including a ten
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Speaker 3: year old girl right here just two days ago, an
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Speaker 3: attack that will.
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Speaker 2: Change our country forever. Now, today I sat down with
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Speaker 2: the new South.
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Speaker 3: Wales Premier, Chris Mins, as our state, as our country
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Speaker 3: grapples with the aftermath of the Bond.
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Speaker 2: Eyed terror attack.
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Speaker 3: Now I pressed him on the issue of Islamic extremism,
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Speaker 3: also the lack of police at Sunday's Kannaka event, and
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Speaker 3: the Premier makes an extraordinary admission.
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Speaker 2: Here's our interview.
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Speaker 4: Premier, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 3: We've just experienced Australia's worst terror attack in history.
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Speaker 4: How do you think we got here?
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Speaker 10: Well, firstly, it's great to be with you, Shari. I
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Speaker 10: wanted to do this interview because you speak so passionately
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Speaker 10: and directly to many Australians, but in particular the Jewish community,
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Speaker 10: and it's important that I come on this program and
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Speaker 10: speak to you and through you, to them about how
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Speaker 10: devastated I am about this terrorist attack, the implications for
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Speaker 10: the Jewish community in Australia, the lost family members, and
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Speaker 10: the fact that I'm heartbroken. I think we got here
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Speaker 10: a number of ways. Obviously, the investigations continuing. We need
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Speaker 10: to understand what these perpetrators did in the immediate run
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Speaker 10: up to this criminal act, and that needs to be
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Speaker 10: the focus of the police investigation. But I'm also cognizant
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Speaker 10: of the fact that anti Semitism and the deliberate focusing
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Speaker 10: and attack on the Jewish community was clearly a part
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Speaker 10: of this horrible crime. And anti Semitism is a scourge,
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Speaker 10: It's a cancer. When it gets into the marrow of
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Speaker 10: a community, it's very difficult to eradicate.
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Speaker 1: And I think that we've seen an.
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Speaker 10: Escalation started with hate speech, anti Semitism at.
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Speaker 1: A march or a rally.
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Speaker 10: Then it migrates online to a tweet or some kind
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Speaker 10: of post. Then it's graffeiting a Jewish building, a synegogue.
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Speaker 10: Then it's malicious damage, then it's asset, and then you
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Speaker 10: see this horrible, horrible crime. We need to attack it
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Speaker 10: at every single level.
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Speaker 3: The very root cause of it though, is ideology, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: And we've seen comments from both John Howard and Josh
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Speaker 3: Friedenberg today that.
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Speaker 4: Howard said that gun laws are a diversion.
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Speaker 3: Friedenberg said that guns stole fifteen innocent lives, but Islamist's
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Speaker 3: ideology pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 4: So what are you going to do to.
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Speaker 3: Counter this radical Islamist extreme isn't?
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Speaker 1: Well, we need to do it directly.
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Speaker 10: I mean that means funding New South Wales Police and
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Speaker 10: ensuring that their counter terrorism capabilities are direct and can
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Speaker 10: smash up these networks where they exist. This is hugely troubling.
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Speaker 10: I'm not trying to I would never attempt to diminish
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Speaker 10: the scale and the problem that we saw on the weekend.
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Speaker 10: This is a huge and existential threat to the Jewish
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Speaker 10: community because so many people lost their lives and it
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Speaker 10: was a targeted attack. So that's at the pointy end,
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Speaker 10: but it moves all the way through Shari and that
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Speaker 10: means that the laws that we moved in relation to
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Speaker 10: hate speech in New South.
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Speaker 1: Wales were absolutely vital and we need to see prosecutions
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Speaker 1: of people.
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Speaker 4: But are they being used. Have police used the hate.
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Speaker 1: Laws they have?
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Speaker 10: Obviously they're in the early stages of implementation, they're months old.
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Speaker 10: But this is going to be a process for us
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Speaker 10: and the community to punish those that breach hate speech laws.
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Speaker 10: We can't have the community that's been built up over
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Speaker 10: the last seventy five years unless we have strict lines
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Speaker 10: about what's acceptable and what isn't. Anti Semitism and racism
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Speaker 10: is not acceptable and we need to confront it.
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Speaker 3: On the Harbor Bridge protest a few months ago, we
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Speaker 3: saw protesters carrying hamas hesbela and ISIS flags. We know
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Speaker 3: you just told the public at your press conference that
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Speaker 3: the government I believed have had ISIS flags in their cars.
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Speaker 3: Yet we saw basically no arrests of people carrying those
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Speaker 3: sort of flags on the Harbor Bridge or others.
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Speaker 4: You know that inverted Hermas symbol.
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Speaker 3: I mean you've acknowledged just now that this begins with hate.
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Speaker 3: So why aren't police making those arrests? Why weren't there
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Speaker 3: arrests at the harbor Bridge protest?
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Speaker 1: There have been arrests.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I can't in the immediate recall go through
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Speaker 10: in chapter and verse what happened. What actions were taken
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Speaker 10: after the harbor Bridge propec Not many?
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Speaker 4: If there were any, it wasn't many.
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Speaker 10: But I know that police have launched investigations, and I
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Speaker 10: know that they've charged people as well. I mean in
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Speaker 10: some cases because they're brand new laws, we need to
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Speaker 10: test what happens when they do end up in front
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Speaker 10: of the district court judge. But I'm committed to ensuring
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Speaker 10: that this isn't a process that stops. I mean, it
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Speaker 10: doesn't stop until we attack anti semitism.
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Speaker 1: Where it occurs.
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Speaker 10: And I think we've shown over the last year, whether
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Speaker 10: it's protecting places of worship, whether it's changing free speech
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Speaker 10: laws and ensuring that hate speech applies to the Jewish community,
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Speaker 10: whether it's banning Nazi symbols and also banning Nazi demonstrations
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Speaker 10: outside Parliament, we are prepared to take action. We're going
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Speaker 10: to be judged by how this works or whether it
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Speaker 10: doesn't work. Simply moving the legislation and then saying job
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Speaker 10: done is not good enough.
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Speaker 3: I know that The Australian reported today that one of
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Speaker 3: the government Navid Akram, had links to Islamic State through
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Speaker 3: connections here made as a follower of.
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Speaker 4: A radical jihadist preacher with some Hadad.
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Speaker 3: Again, these hate preachers, nothing has been done about them.
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Speaker 10: Well, some of them have been say object to charges.
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Speaker 10: But I can't speak about the specifics of this investigation
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Speaker 10: and I'm not being KOI and I know there is
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Speaker 10: a legitimate and extensive desire to have the latest information.
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Speaker 10: The truth of the matter is there's one perpetrator that's
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Speaker 10: in custody. For justice to be done, we need to
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Speaker 10: make sure it's a successful prosecution and it's about ensuring
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Speaker 10: we release as much information as possible while protecting justice
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Speaker 10: for the families who've lost loved one. So I can't
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Speaker 10: get into the specific.
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Speaker 3: But do you acknowledge that the institutions where these hate
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Speaker 3: preachers continue to operate are a serious threat?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: I mean if there is, and I think that there's
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Speaker 10: been many examples of hate speech, whether it's whether it's
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Speaker 10: in the community, whether it's at community marches, or whether
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Speaker 10: it's in religious places of worship, they need to be confronted.
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Speaker 10: It's not good enough and it can't be acceptable, even
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Speaker 10: if it's behind closed doors, to be preaching hate in
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Speaker 10: our community. We need to do what Rabbi Wolf said
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Speaker 10: today so eloquently, and that is bring the community together,
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Speaker 10: show love for one another.
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Speaker 3: But specifically, if it's a hate preacher who is in
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Speaker 3: a position of authority and influence and can radicalize impressionable
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Speaker 3: young minds, isn't this the issue that needs to be
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Speaker 3: dealt with.
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Speaker 10: Yes, it is, and I mean that's why we've moved legislation.
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Speaker 10: I mean, we don't want ambiguity here. If there's an
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Speaker 10: attempt to shape young minds to hate another member of
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Speaker 10: our community because of their faith, and let's be honest,
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Speaker 10: it's directed at the Jewish community, we need to confront it.
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Speaker 10: As I said to you, we have moved more legislation
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Speaker 10: in a shorter space of time of any government in
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Speaker 10: the state's history. But we're judge on outcomes, not on
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Speaker 10: legislation that's passed.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the government.
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Speaker 3: We're not on the Azio's terror watch list, so it
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Speaker 3: begs the question, I mean, how many hundreds of people
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Speaker 3: are there in New South Wales who have been radicalized
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Speaker 3: and who is keeping watch on them.
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Speaker 1: Look, I don't have all of the information.
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Speaker 10: I accept and it's been put to me by members
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Speaker 10: of the community in the last twenty four hours that
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Speaker 10: we need a comprehensive inquiry and independent investigation as to
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Speaker 10: what happened.
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Speaker 1: I would love to have my I give anything to.
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Speaker 10: Have my time back to avoid what happened on Sunday,
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Speaker 10: literally anything, of course, hear it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm determined to.
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Speaker 10: Learn the lessons and make changes and do everything I
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Speaker 10: possibly can to ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 3: But isn't the issue that we do have pockets of
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Speaker 3: Islamic radicalization in Western Sydney communities and we don't know
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Speaker 3: the extent of this.
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Speaker 1: That may well be the case.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I couldn't hand on hard give you and
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Speaker 10: assurance that there wasn't active investigations, active inquiries, huge concern
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Speaker 10: suspicions by law enforcement about what's happening in certain communities.
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Speaker 10: I mean, we do need to let the police do
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Speaker 10: their job. It's my job to give them the resources
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Speaker 10: and in some cases the legislative backing so that they
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Speaker 10: can keep the community safe. And I'm committed to doing it.
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Speaker 3: The issue is you want the Jewish community to feel
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Speaker 3: safe to go out in public in this country, in
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Speaker 3: your state. But when you don't know the extent of
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Speaker 3: the problem, when you don't know how many people have
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Speaker 3: been radicalized, how can you give that guarantee to Jewish Australians.
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Speaker 3: Don't you need to get to the bottom of the
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Speaker 3: issue first, examine what's happening in institutions where there are
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Speaker 3: hate preachers, what messages they send it.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you're right, but I don't think any premier
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Speaker 10: or any leader could hand on heart say no, I'm
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Speaker 10: confident that there's no extremism or that there's not radicalization,
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Speaker 10: and I can't give that commitment. I give anything to
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Speaker 10: give that commitment, but I can't do it. What I
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Speaker 10: can say is that we need to make sure that
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Speaker 10: police in New South Wales law enforcement and in particular
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Speaker 10: our counter Terrorism Command have the resources they need to
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Speaker 10: conduct these investigations and where they find instances of radicalization,
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Speaker 10: they commence prosecution. Now we've been criticized for moving hate
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Speaker 10: speech laws because many.
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Speaker 1: People say, well, the threshold's too low.
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Speaker 10: We want to be able to say in a free
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Speaker 10: speech way whatever we like, whether it's about the Jewish
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Speaker 10: community of somebody else.
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Speaker 3: Was a fake Antcemmitism crisis exactly That's exactly right.
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Speaker 10: They said it was a hoax that prompted the changes
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Speaker 10: to the law. Now I'm going to be judged on
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Speaker 10: outcomes here, and if the law's not fit for purpose,
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Speaker 10: we'll look at it again. I mean, there's nothing more
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Speaker 10: important than fighting this kind of violent hatred in our community.
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Speaker 1: It's important to do it for every.
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Speaker 10: Australian, for every Australian, and we need to and this
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Speaker 10: isn't going to be easy shari, but rebuild Jewish social
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Speaker 10: and public life in this state.
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Speaker 1: And I saw some of the rabbi saying it's going to.
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Speaker 10: Be difficult for us and courageous to do, but we
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Speaker 10: want people wearing the kipper in our community.
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Speaker 1: We want them having access.
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Speaker 10: To the manora and celebrating with their community Jewish public holidays.
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Speaker 10: And I understand today there'd be enormous reluctance to do that.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be easy.
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Speaker 10: But brick by brick, we have to rebuild that safety
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Speaker 10: and that sense of confidence in the community.
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Speaker 3: Just to perhaps rephrase the question one more time. We
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Speaker 3: know that there's this Islamic extremism. We've seen the Isis
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Speaker 3: hamas haswella flags. We know that these gunmen had Isis
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Speaker 3: flags in their cart. So we know there's been an
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Speaker 3: increase in this extremist ideology in Sydney over the past
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Speaker 3: two years. But what is being done about that ideology?
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I can walk you through the legislative
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Speaker 10: changes that we've made.
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Speaker 3: But I know, but we haven't seen the arrests. We
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Speaker 3: haven't seen any.
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Speaker 1: Been there has been proc When.
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Speaker 3: I've interviewed the Police commissioner, he's told me that their
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Speaker 3: rhetoric doesn't meet the threshold for prosecution.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's the reason that we moved hate speech
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Speaker 10: and vilification of the Jewish community into the law.
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Speaker 1: Now that that law's months old, it's not years old.
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Speaker 4: So would you like.
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Speaker 3: To see police investigate charge even depot hate preachers who
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Speaker 3: are expressing very in violent, violent ideology.
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Speaker 10: Well, I want to have a situation where hate speech
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Speaker 10: is not allowed any illegal in New South Wales and
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Speaker 10: those who.
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Speaker 1: Practice it are prosecuted. Of course I do.
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Speaker 10: It's the only way to send a clear and unambiguous
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Speaker 10: message that it will not be tolerated. And I've made
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Speaker 10: the point that we don't have the hate speech laws,
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Speaker 10: or they term them free speech laws that they have
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Speaker 10: in the United States.
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Speaker 1: Our systems different.
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Speaker 10: We've built a different legal system and a different tolerance
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Speaker 10: for it in our state. I don't make any apologies
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Speaker 10: for it, but I want to make sure the community
21:45
Speaker 10: is safe and we send this message. I hope, I
21:49
Speaker 10: hope that the community can give time for the laws
21:53
Speaker 10: to work. But I understand the frustration, and I know
21:56
Speaker 10: the police are working on it.
21:57
Speaker 3: Just finally, because I want to quickly ask you about
21:59
Speaker 3: p resourcing. But do you know how many people are
22:03
Speaker 3: on the terror watch list in New South Wales?
22:05
Speaker 1: I don't know off the top of.
22:07
Speaker 4: My head, but you do have that information.
22:10
Speaker 1: Yes, of course.
22:11
Speaker 3: How many people are radicalized and pose a threat in
22:13
Speaker 3: our community.
22:14
Speaker 10: Well, I have information relating to those that have been
22:17
Speaker 10: picked up via intelligence networks or policing operations. But if
22:21
Speaker 10: it's happening in a clandestine way, if it's happening in secret,
22:24
Speaker 10: if it's happening away from law enforcement, which Shari you'd
22:27
Speaker 10: acknowledge is probably their modus operandi, that means I'm reluctant
22:32
Speaker 10: to say no, we know all of them in every situation.
22:35
Speaker 10: I don't think any premier or any political leader can
22:38
Speaker 10: give that assurance. What I can say is we're putting
22:41
Speaker 10: massive resources into it and it's our absolute priority today.
22:44
Speaker 3: Okay, have you asked the Police commissioner how many police
22:49
Speaker 3: were at Bondi Beach at the Kanaku festival at the
22:51
Speaker 3: time when the shooting took place.
22:54
Speaker 1: Yes, we've spoken to police about.
22:55
Speaker 3: It, of course, can you tell us that answer.
22:59
Speaker 10: Well, the police were tasked with being on the site
23:03
Speaker 10: during the festival. My understanding is that there were two
23:06
Speaker 10: in the park during or at the beginning of the
23:10
Speaker 10: shooting the assassinations, just two police officers, and there were
23:13
Speaker 10: police in the vicinity, so a patrol car pulled up
23:18
Speaker 10: within moments of the firing beginning. So I guess it's
23:23
Speaker 10: difficult for me to give you a final number, as
23:25
Speaker 10: it is with police, because they need to work out
23:28
Speaker 10: where scores or police were at exactly six forty six
23:33
Speaker 10: or thereabouts when the shooting began. And I think that
23:36
Speaker 10: there's a sense that, well, if we give a misleading
23:39
Speaker 10: number now, either we'll have to retract it or add
23:42
Speaker 10: to it at a certain point. But what I'm trying
23:46
Speaker 10: to say is I'm not trying to be coy here,
23:48
Speaker 10: but that's the circumstances relating to it.
23:51
Speaker 3: When we've seen the pro Palestinian protests every other week
23:55
Speaker 3: in the city, there are dozens, if not hundreds of
23:59
Speaker 3: police officers. So why was a high risk event like
24:04
Speaker 3: the Kanuk festival have so limited police resources that at
24:09
Speaker 3: the time of the shooting only two on site.
24:12
Speaker 1: Look a couple of things, Shari.
24:14
Speaker 10: First of all, the hundreds of police at pro Palestinian
24:18
Speaker 10: marches are not there to protect the protesters. They are
24:23
Speaker 10: in many cases posted the Great Synagogue for example, or
24:26
Speaker 10: Jewish places of business, or to ensure that the route
24:29
Speaker 10: isn't compromised. And we don't have another situation where the
24:32
Speaker 10: protest ends up on the fore court of the Opera
24:34
Speaker 10: House during a public presentation. So I think they're different
24:38
Speaker 10: policing operations, and it's reasonable that there'd be different resources in.
24:42
Speaker 1: Relation to the weekend.
24:43
Speaker 10: As I said to you, if we had our time again,
24:46
Speaker 10: we would of course do things differently. It's worth noting, though,
24:49
Speaker 10: that there were several Jewish events in the Eastern suburbs,
24:53
Speaker 10: one at dover Hey, it's one at North Bondai others
24:56
Speaker 10: at synagogues in the Eastern Suburbs over that day, not
25:00
Speaker 10: just that week, but that day, and police were tasked
25:03
Speaker 10: with going to all of them at different points during
25:05
Speaker 10: their shift. I'm really not trying to not give the information,
25:11
Speaker 10: but we need to work out how many were on
25:13
Speaker 10: site when the shooting began.
25:15
Speaker 3: But your information is too physically on site and then
25:17
Speaker 3: another cop car pulled up, I mean too on site.
25:20
Speaker 3: That is a horrifying thought that there was more than
25:24
Speaker 3: a thousand Australian Jews left so vulnerable, you know, like
25:29
Speaker 3: sitting ducks or lambs to the slaughter.
25:32
Speaker 4: And put it to me last night.
25:33
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I understand, of course. I mean we've had
25:36
Speaker 10: a terrible, terrible tragedy. We've had the murder of Jewish
25:40
Speaker 10: Australians in the Eastern Suburbs.
25:42
Speaker 3: They weren't protected by police with only two on site.
25:45
Speaker 10: Well, a couple of things, I mean, I think it's
25:47
Speaker 10: important to note that police, obviously when the shooting began,
25:50
Speaker 10: did engage the shooters. We've got two in critical condition
25:54
Speaker 10: in New South Wales hospitals. We have several police officers
25:58
Speaker 10: that engaged with side arms from fifty meters away fighting
26:02
Speaker 10: and firing with someone who had a long arm and
26:06
Speaker 10: a tactical advantage over New South Wales police. So they
26:09
Speaker 10: did engage and they did shoot both offenders, killing one
26:13
Speaker 10: of them.
26:14
Speaker 3: And while police did that and it was extraordinary, it
26:18
Speaker 3: was only after an unarmed civilian, a hero, Ahmed Ahmed,
26:24
Speaker 3: took down one.
26:24
Speaker 4: Of the gunmen himself.
26:26
Speaker 3: So again, why did police engage after an unarmed civilian?
26:33
Speaker 1: No, I don't think.
26:34
Speaker 10: I don't think we know enough to make that claim.
26:37
Speaker 10: I'm not sure whether that information's correct. Both of the
26:43
Speaker 10: offenders were engaged by police, and there's been some disturbing
26:47
Speaker 10: social media posts of police officers with their hands up
26:51
Speaker 10: and some people have been labeling it almost so they're
26:53
Speaker 10: giving up, their hands are up. Well, I know that
26:56
Speaker 10: police were giving directions to people to stay down harm's
27:00
Speaker 10: way to ensure that they weren't here. And I really
27:03
Speaker 10: think that we owe it to the police to allow
27:07
Speaker 10: that inquiry to take place.
27:08
Speaker 4: And because it public after it is taken.
27:11
Speaker 10: Yeah, of course, Harry, But can I just say this
27:14
Speaker 10: is a profession that I'm not in and you're not either,
27:18
Speaker 10: policeman need to get I need to say this. We
27:22
Speaker 10: owe it to them at the very least to see
27:24
Speaker 10: the investigation to understand how much danger they put themselves
27:29
Speaker 10: in before. I guess people rush to judgment and suggest
27:33
Speaker 10: that they didn't do their duty. I would hate that
27:35
Speaker 10: for that to be the case. In some cases. You're
27:37
Speaker 10: talking about police officers that we pushed into harm's way
27:41
Speaker 10: weeks after graduation.
27:42
Speaker 1: And I just make this point.
27:44
Speaker 10: The two police officers in critical condition in New South
27:47
Speaker 10: Wales hospitals were shot in the front. They were facing
27:50
Speaker 10: the government. They weren't shot in the back as they
27:52
Speaker 10: were running away.
27:53
Speaker 3: Absolute heroes and shocking that they had to be put
27:56
Speaker 3: in that.
27:57
Speaker 4: Situation to deal with these two governments.
28:00
Speaker 3: Finally, do you think there isn't an argument for the
28:03
Speaker 3: Jewish security the CSG have to have weapons so that
28:07
Speaker 3: they could respond to serious threats like this.
28:10
Speaker 1: Yes, I do. Now.
28:12
Speaker 10: CSG have been in discussions with the New South Wales
28:15
Speaker 10: government in the last twenty four hours. They're given permission
28:19
Speaker 10: at Jewish places of worship Jewish schools to be armed
28:23
Speaker 10: on site, but we're in discussions with them about events,
28:27
Speaker 10: Jewish events in particular. Now there needs to be what's
28:31
Speaker 10: called a de escalation protocol I mean it's a specific
28:34
Speaker 10: tactical approach because if there are guns on site and
28:39
Speaker 10: police approach the scene, we need to be in a
28:41
Speaker 10: situation where everybody is safe, the CESG, the Jewish community,
28:44
Speaker 10: members of the public and police.
28:46
Speaker 1: But I'm confident we.
28:47
Speaker 3: Can work our way through that, Premier, Thank you very much.
28:50
Speaker 1: Thanks, I really appreciate it.
28:54
Speaker 3: So you just heard there in that interview the New
28:57
Speaker 3: South Wales Premier Chris Mens admit for the time that
29:01
Speaker 3: there were only two police officers present at this park,
29:05
Speaker 3: at this Khaniker on the Bay festival on Sunday evening
29:08
Speaker 3: when the firing, when the assassination began, just two police officers. Now,
29:14
Speaker 3: this is a fact that both the Premier and the
29:16
Speaker 3: Police Commissioner mal Lanyon had refused to reveal that multiple
29:20
Speaker 3: press conferences. Now or he told you that there this
29:23
Speaker 3: is going to be a big talking point. There's going
29:25
Speaker 3: to be a lot of pressure on the New South
29:27
Speaker 3: Wales government, on the Police Minister and on the police
29:29
Speaker 3: for why there were only two police officers here to
29:32
Speaker 3: protect the more than a thousand Jewish Australians gathered. Well,
29:36
Speaker 3: right now we are here at the memorial. There are
29:38
Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of Australians here to pay their respects.
29:42
Speaker 3: The bouquet of flowers it is growing. There's been prayers
29:46
Speaker 3: and singing tonight. The third candle has been lit as
29:50
Speaker 3: well on the Knukia as you can see on the screen,
29:54
Speaker 3: beautiful drawings from children sharing their love and warmth with
30:01
Speaker 3: the victims who lost their lives and also those who
30:04
Speaker 3: were injured. There's a lot of applause right now.
30:07
Speaker 2: So we've got an arrival. Do we know who's arriving, Well,
30:11
Speaker 2: perhaps we'll let you know that after the break.
30:13
Speaker 3: There's a lot of applause for the arrival. The ses team,
30:18
Speaker 3: the State emergency services are arriving to pay their respects,
30:22
Speaker 3: and the hundreds who are still gathered here are.
30:25
Speaker 2: Giving them a very warm welcome. All right, we'll bring
30:28
Speaker 2: you more after the break.
30:29
Speaker 3: Coming up, the extraordinary final moments of Rabbi Elie Schlanger,
30:33
Speaker 3: killed while trying to protect others, and the devastating toll
30:37
Speaker 3: in his young family, including his injured wife and even
30:41
Speaker 3: his newborn baby. This beautiful, powerful story.
30:46
Speaker 2: Next welcome back.
30:53
Speaker 3: The murder of popular, optimistic and beloved Rabbi Ellie Schlanger
30:57
Speaker 3: in this terror attack has shaken and the local community.
31:01
Speaker 3: But what no one knows until now is that his wife,
31:05
Speaker 3: Kaya was also injured with a bullet wound to her back,
31:10
Speaker 3: and their newborn baby, barely two months old, suffered shrapnel.
31:15
Speaker 2: Wounds, and he's still in hospital.
31:19
Speaker 3: Witnesses have told me that Ellie, who felt responsible for
31:23
Speaker 3: all of those present because it was his event, held
31:26
Speaker 3: his hands up in a sign of surrender like this,
31:29
Speaker 3: and he walked towards the gunman as the gunman reloaded
31:33
Speaker 3: and the rabbi pleaded with him to stop.
31:37
Speaker 2: Instead, he was gunned down and killed.
31:41
Speaker 3: Now outside the hospital where little baby Shimshi is being treated,
31:46
Speaker 3: his baby two months old. I spoke to their clothes
31:50
Speaker 3: friends Hannah and Sorella, who were also here at the
31:54
Speaker 3: Khannaker festival. Both so much for doing this. You're both
31:58
Speaker 3: good friends of Kaya, and we're here at the children's hospital.
32:02
Speaker 3: I think not many people know that Higher and the
32:08
Speaker 3: rabbi's baby were impacted as well in the terror attack.
32:11
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what happened?
32:13
Speaker 11: At the time, Ryler was hiding near the sort of
32:18
Speaker 11: food station, trying to protect herself from more importantly, her
32:22
Speaker 11: two month old baby, and she actually does not recall
32:28
Speaker 11: getting hit because the adrenaline was just running. But suddenly
32:33
Speaker 11: somebody next to her said to her, you've got blood
32:36
Speaker 11: on your back, and they suddenly looked and she had
32:40
Speaker 11: been what they call grazed by a bullet. And we
32:45
Speaker 11: spent that night in hospital having to remove those pieces
32:49
Speaker 11: of scrapnel and then stitches and all that, and you know,
32:54
Speaker 11: then returned home to our other children, only in time
32:58
Speaker 11: to realize that actually her two months old baby had
33:00
Speaker 11: also been hit in his calf by pieces of strapmo.
33:05
Speaker 11: So then to return now to the children's hospital to
33:09
Speaker 11: be able to you know, assist him in dealing with this,
33:13
Speaker 11: and just to share horror and evil, you know, for
33:19
Speaker 11: somebody to shoot at a baby, at women, at old people, horrific.
33:25
Speaker 4: So Haw's shim she doing?
33:27
Speaker 11: Now He's okay, It's going to be a bit of
33:30
Speaker 11: a recovery. He's had fever, and you know, the team
33:35
Speaker 11: at Sydney Kids has been unbelievable and I'm grateful that
33:39
Speaker 11: we're here with the right support. But it's been rough.
33:43
Speaker 3: Not out of the woods yet, not just yet. At
33:46
Speaker 3: the same time, as Kyla was hit by a bullet,
33:50
Speaker 3: or Gray's by a bullet, she was also trying to
33:52
Speaker 3: keep her husband alive and begging, you know, the local
33:56
Speaker 3: nurse and surfer to keep doing CPR.
34:01
Speaker 12: That's right, that's right.
34:03
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I I mean I I was there.
34:09
Speaker 5: There was there was quite a few teams working on him,
34:11
Speaker 5: and she was next to him for a little bit
34:13
Speaker 5: and then we had to go get her medical help.
34:16
Speaker 5: And then she kept saying like, don't stop, please, just
34:19
Speaker 5: don't stop.
34:20
Speaker 13: Please just wake up, and he just wake up. You
34:24
Speaker 13: have to wake up.
34:25
Speaker 5: Ellie was a.
34:25
Speaker 13: Believer in miracles, and she would just say, Ellie, you
34:30
Speaker 13: always believe in miracles, to just make a miracle. Make
34:33
Speaker 13: a miracle for me right now. You can't leave me.
34:35
Speaker 13: I've got five children and I can't do this on
34:37
Speaker 13: my own. Please just wake up.
34:44
Speaker 5: It was devastating to watch because I'm sorry.
34:58
Speaker 3: And you are very close with Ellie yourself else so
35:01
Speaker 3: you were there trying to get him the help he
35:03
Speaker 3: needed as well.
35:04
Speaker 5: So we arrived there because we weren't actually at the event.
35:09
Speaker 5: We heard bullets were being shot, and we were running
35:12
Speaker 5: there because our son was there. Called Ellie to make
35:16
Speaker 5: sure that our son was fine, and Ellie didn't respond,
35:19
Speaker 5: and so we ran all the way to the pavilion
35:24
Speaker 5: when the shots rang out. Because of all the terror
35:27
Speaker 5: that's been happening, I looked at my husband and I said,
35:29
Speaker 5: it's definitely at the Kanaka party. That's where it's happening.
35:32
Speaker 5: And I said, we need to get there.
35:34
Speaker 4: So I had because your children were that I had a.
35:36
Speaker 5: Child them, and yeah, I had one child there. So
35:38
Speaker 5: we were walking with two other kids and we sent
35:40
Speaker 5: them home and then we ran all the way to
35:43
Speaker 5: the pavilion and people kept saying, go back, they're shooting,
35:46
Speaker 5: and I said that my son's there and I need
35:48
Speaker 5: to get there. I'm going to get to.
35:52
Speaker 11: And I needed to get.
35:53
Speaker 5: There, and so we were about to run in, and
35:58
Speaker 5: as we were about to run in, they apprehended the
36:00
Speaker 5: second shootor and so then we ran in. And as
36:05
Speaker 5: we're running in, I don't even think I realized how
36:09
Speaker 5: bad it was. I've just seen some footage. I see
36:14
Speaker 5: a guy on the floor with a white shirt and
36:17
Speaker 5: black pants, and I go over and I see that
36:21
Speaker 5: it's I see it's Ale and I say that, and
36:25
Speaker 5: I say that my husband just you say, you stay
36:27
Speaker 5: with him. I'm going to get help, and I'm trying
36:29
Speaker 5: to call for help, and there's hardly anyone there, and
36:33
Speaker 5: I'm going from person to person. I'm trying to get
36:35
Speaker 5: someone someone to go over to him and to start
36:38
Speaker 5: to help. It took it's a long time, actually, it'sok,
36:43
Speaker 5: a really long time. Finally someone went over there, and
36:45
Speaker 5: then I started looking for my own son, and.
36:47
Speaker 3: I looked on the tables and I saw terror.
36:50
Speaker 5: I saw children that were so frightened and dead bodies,
36:54
Speaker 5: and but my son wasn't there, and so then I
36:57
Speaker 5: was like, he'll he'll be fine. I know he'll be fine.
37:00
Speaker 5: I'm going to go back to helping Ellie. When I
37:04
Speaker 5: went back, Hi was there, and that's when we saw
37:07
Speaker 5: that she was wounded, and so then we needed to
37:09
Speaker 5: get help.
37:12
Speaker 3: And yeah, so, Serrella, what's so important now? How can
37:19
Speaker 3: we all help this beautiful family who've been through so
37:24
Speaker 3: much and have been left without a dad. The pillar
37:27
Speaker 3: of the community, Rabbi Elie Schlanger.
37:30
Speaker 11: I think, just before I say that, I just have
37:32
Speaker 11: to say that anyone who knows Rabbi Elie would know
37:35
Speaker 11: that he was the man who was there for everyone.
37:38
Speaker 11: He showed up for his community, he showed up in
37:41
Speaker 11: the school community, in he was a chaplain of the
37:44
Speaker 11: prisons of the hospitals like he to us, he was
37:47
Speaker 11: an extremely close friend, but he would show up for
37:51
Speaker 11: everyone who needed him, and he was that man that
37:53
Speaker 11: you called as Kinda says that when she was looking
37:56
Speaker 11: for her son, she called Ellie because that was the
37:58
Speaker 11: one you called to help. And it's just, you know,
38:03
Speaker 11: thinking now that we get to return some of that
38:06
Speaker 11: to him, it's like the least we can do for
38:08
Speaker 11: everything Ellie has been in the Sydney Jewish community, but
38:12
Speaker 11: beyond you know, he's helped so many and I think
38:14
Speaker 11: now we have to band together to support the family,
38:18
Speaker 11: to ensure that the children will have what they need.
38:21
Speaker 3: Kind Of you mentioned that when you first went into
38:24
Speaker 3: the Kannaka party just after the terror attack, that there
38:27
Speaker 3: was no one around to help.
38:30
Speaker 4: Were there any police there?
38:31
Speaker 5: So there were lots of police, No one knew what
38:34
Speaker 5: to do, no one like it just felt that there
38:39
Speaker 5: was like there was no one to get help from,
38:41
Speaker 5: because yes, there were people around.
38:45
Speaker 10: But.
38:47
Speaker 5: It was really hard to Yeah, it was really hard
38:49
Speaker 5: to get help from anybody. I remember going from one
38:54
Speaker 5: police office the other, and I think at some point
38:56
Speaker 5: they just said let's clear the area and I'm like,
38:58
Speaker 5: and I'm like, but I need you to come and
38:59
Speaker 5: do CEPR, and my friend like, and they're like, but
39:02
Speaker 5: if you're not injured, clear out of the area. I'm like,
39:04
Speaker 5: I'm not leaving because I need someone to come and
39:07
Speaker 5: help me with my friend. And no one's coming.
39:10
Speaker 3: And none of the police were doing CBR.
39:12
Speaker 5: I didn't see any police doing CPR.
39:16
Speaker 3: And tell me about what you saw behind the pavilion
39:19
Speaker 3: as well.
39:20
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean for us, we saw police behind
39:23
Speaker 5: the pavilion and we were like, why they we're running in.
39:25
Speaker 5: We don't have any guns. We're going in there to
39:27
Speaker 5: save people. Why are they not Why are they're not
39:32
Speaker 5: moving in?
39:33
Speaker 11: Having been there myself with my husband and four children
39:36
Speaker 11: spread across the park, I think I would agree that
39:40
Speaker 11: there was no direction. It felt like, you know, each man,
39:44
Speaker 11: woman and child were for themselves and on that day,
39:48
Speaker 11: if you got out, by the grace of God, you
39:49
Speaker 11: got out.
39:50
Speaker 3: And just finally, how are your children dealing with this now?
39:53
Speaker 3: How deeply traumatized are they?
39:55
Speaker 5: We knew this was going to happen. It's not a surprise.
40:00
Speaker 1: Did it happened?
40:01
Speaker 5: It was inevitable, And I actually I just felt that
40:09
Speaker 5: When I went over to her, she was very much like,
40:12
Speaker 5: we're doing We're here for you, we're doing what you can.
40:14
Speaker 5: And I said to her, well, were my fourteen year
40:17
Speaker 5: old son right now is hanging out with his best
40:21
Speaker 5: friend who's fourteen years old, who lost his father, and
40:25
Speaker 5: he's comforting him. That's what he's been doing today. And
40:32
Speaker 5: that's our life. That's actually that's the lives that we live.
40:36
Speaker 5: An average Australian doesn't have that fear. And what I
40:42
Speaker 5: said to her as well was that my children are
40:44
Speaker 5: third generations Australian, third or fourth generation Australian, and I'm like,
40:48
Speaker 5: when are we going to be considered the Australian just
40:50
Speaker 5: like everybody else, our kids we've gone. We run from
40:55
Speaker 5: country to country to country, and every single time we run,
40:58
Speaker 5: we build the country up. And instead of people turning
41:02
Speaker 5: around and saying to us, look, how amazing you guys are,
41:06
Speaker 5: they say, no, you're coming in and taking over this
41:08
Speaker 5: and taking over that, and to control our media. You
41:10
Speaker 5: control everything. I've got a really interesting family history. I've
41:17
Speaker 5: got my great grandmother comes from Malaysia, my great grandma
41:21
Speaker 5: comes from Iraq. I've got family from Poland. I've got
41:23
Speaker 5: pat family from Russia. And what I said to her
41:28
Speaker 5: as well, is we all pray the same thing. We
41:30
Speaker 5: all pray that we're going to go back to Israel.
41:34
Speaker 5: Our children are scared. Our children are so scared. My
41:38
Speaker 5: son was on Bonde Beach when that guy was riding
41:40
Speaker 5: a horse, and he came home and he said to me,
41:43
Speaker 5: do I take my kipper off? Why?
41:46
Speaker 3: Why?
41:46
Speaker 11: I think to close what Hannah was saying, I think,
41:49
Speaker 11: you know, we don't need comfort now from politicians. We
41:52
Speaker 11: need insurance and actual laws and rules and penalties and
41:57
Speaker 11: things put in place that we don't ever do with
42:00
Speaker 11: this again. We don't need hugs and comfort and flowers now.
42:03
Speaker 11: We want to see actual change from our government immediately.
42:06
Speaker 11: That's I think. To finish with that, I want to
42:09
Speaker 11: say that my husband and I run a Hrabad center
42:13
Speaker 11: here in Randwick and a hospital support system, and we
42:16
Speaker 11: have a big manora outside our home, and we've become
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Speaker 11: that home in Randwick that all the neighbors know, and
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Speaker 11: we keep it up all year because since October seventh especially,
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Speaker 11: we just feel the community needs that and we've gotten
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Speaker 11: so much positive feedback for it. And when we finally
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Speaker 11: made it out of the beach and got home that night.
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Speaker 11: Our sons, our children were crying, and they said, please
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Speaker 11: turn off the manora. Our home is going to become
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Speaker 11: its target. And my husband and I looked at each
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Speaker 11: other and we said, no way, We're not going down
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Speaker 11: like this. We don't turn off manoras. We don't hide
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Speaker 11: our kippers. We stand proud and aloud. But our children
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Speaker 11: were crying and they begged. They said, please, mom, bather,
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Speaker 11: turn that manora off. And so I looked at them
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Speaker 11: and I said, as a mother, we're going to turn
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Speaker 11: it off. And the next day a Christian neighbor came past.
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Speaker 11: I wasn't home. I was in the hospital with Kyla,
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Speaker 11: and she said, yesterday my daughter drove past your house
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Speaker 11: and the menorah was off, and she just sobbed and
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Speaker 11: she said, no, ma'am, they're turning off their menorah's.
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Speaker 1: The evil can't win.
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Speaker 11: And so when she came and said that, my husband
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Speaker 11: called me and I said, no matter what, that menora
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Speaker 11: goes back on. We don't turn off manoras. We don't
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Speaker 11: stop shining light. And that would be Rabbi Elie's message today.
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Speaker 11: I can promise you, I can say with full certainty
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Speaker 11: if he was standing here today, he would say, we
43:39
Speaker 11: don't go down in darkness.
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Speaker 1: We shine light.
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Speaker 11: That's the only way to push out darkness. We look
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Speaker 11: out for each other. We spread goodness, We spread kindness.
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Speaker 11: That's what we do. That's all we know. And every
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Speaker 11: Jew knows this. We have a Jewish, a spark of
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Speaker 11: God inside of us, and that is our job. That's
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Speaker 11: what we're here for. That's what we try to do.
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Speaker 11: So we won't go down in darkness. We will shine
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Speaker 11: and we will shine again. And I asked the general
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Speaker 11: Australian population, look out for your neighbor, look out for
44:06
Speaker 11: each other. We will stand together. We will eradicate this evil.
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Speaker 4: Such a beautiful message.
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Speaker 3: Thank you both so much for having this direct speak.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so thank thank you.
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Speaker 4: God, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: It is such a powerful message. And if you are
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Speaker 3: It would mean so much to them. Now's still ahead tonight,
44:52
Speaker 3: new revelations about the Bondi shooters overseas links, including a
44:56
Speaker 3: trip to a known Islamic state hotspot. What investigators are
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Speaker 3: now uncovering and why critics say warning signs were missed.
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Speaker 3: That's after the break, Welcome back, where broadcasting live from
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Speaker 3: the memorial site of the Bondi attack. This is where
45:18
Speaker 3: the Khannaka by the Sea event took place on Sunday,
45:21
Speaker 3: where fifteen innocent lives were lost. Now, I think the
45:24
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph's front page tomorrows sums up the sentiment of
45:29
Speaker 3: many in the Australian community.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: It says to the Prime Minister, hopefully bring it up now.
45:36
Speaker 3: Blood on your hands. And this is a photograph of
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Speaker 3: Reuben Morrison who was killed and his daughter Shana Gutnik
45:44
Speaker 3: and Ruven was murdered right here on Sunday evening and
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Speaker 3: his daughter, grieving her loss, has condemned the Albaneze government's
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Speaker 3: lack of action. Joining me now is the editor of
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Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph, Ben English.
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Speaker 2: Ben.
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Speaker 3: This is a very powerful front page and it does
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Speaker 3: capture how many are feeling.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, and it'd be one thing for opposition groups rightly
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Speaker 12: to be making these sort of criticisms. This is a
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Speaker 12: woman who's at ground zero, her father has been slain assassinated.
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Speaker 12: And not only that, it's not just an emotional rant,
46:18
Speaker 12: it's actually incredibly eloquent and articulate takedown of the woefully
46:23
Speaker 12: inadequate response to anti Semitism by this government.
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Speaker 3: And even after the attack, you know, many of us
46:29
Speaker 3: often said if the albinezy Gut Froment doesn't act, there
46:33
Speaker 3: is going to be a loss of life. Something like
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Speaker 3: this will happen. It happened, but even that hasn't spurred
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Speaker 3: on the Prime Minister to take action on anti Semitism,
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Speaker 3: which I find very difficult to comprehend it.
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Speaker 2: Instead, he's trying to distract us all with.
46:47
Speaker 3: New gun laws, and as the former Treasurer Josh Fridenberg
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Speaker 3: said today, this isn't a gun issue. This is an
46:54
Speaker 3: anti Semitism issue, a radical Islam issue.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it's equivalent of a house being on fire
46:59
Speaker 12: and our and Easy's saying let's fix the gutter. You know,
47:02
Speaker 12: this is beside the point. Sure, refine the gun laws,
47:06
Speaker 12: but it's clear that there's a fundamental issue with anti
47:09
Speaker 12: anti Semitism in this country. There needs to be a
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Speaker 12: comprehensive response, which has been missing for two years. There
47:16
Speaker 12: needs to be short term measures, there needs to be
47:18
Speaker 12: medium term and long term.
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Speaker 14: This is going to take decades.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it will.
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Speaker 3: But he's not even starting work, which is the issue. Look,
47:26
Speaker 3: you've also done a lot of report with your reporters,
47:29
Speaker 3: Mark Murray, Josh Hanrahan have done a lot of big
47:32
Speaker 3: exclusive stories digging into the background and the activities of
47:36
Speaker 3: the two gunmen.
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Speaker 2: What do we know so far?
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Speaker 14: Well, we know that.
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Speaker 12: I mean, the revelation we came up with yesterday was
47:42
Speaker 12: that they went to the Philippines. We now know that
47:45
Speaker 12: they weren't going there for holiday and some sunshine. They're
47:48
Speaker 12: actually practicing and formulating the plan for the atrocity on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what you're reporting in the new staper tomorrow. Yes,
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Speaker 3: that they were planning this terror attack on their trip
47:58
Speaker 3: to the Philly.
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Speaker 14: I've been told they were practicing, they were.
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Speaker 2: Getting ready military training.
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Speaker 14: And which just reinforces how alarming this all is.
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Speaker 12: We've also learned that Sajid Akram actually transferred the property
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Speaker 12: ownership of his home to his wife two years ago,
48:20
Speaker 12: which indicates perhaps that there might have been He might
48:24
Speaker 12: have been contemplating something like this a long time ago,
48:27
Speaker 12: so that in terms of the proceeds of crime laws,
48:31
Speaker 12: they couldn't go after the family home if it was
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Speaker 12: in her name.
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Speaker 3: There's also a lot being revealed about the ISIS flag
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Speaker 3: that was in the vehicle, the links to the extremist
48:43
Speaker 3: hate preacher in Western Sydney. Again, we haven't seen any
48:47
Speaker 3: action from Tony Burker, the Albanese government, and no desire
48:51
Speaker 3: even to check whether there are others who've been radicalized.
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Speaker 12: There hasn't been a commensurate response to the scale of
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Speaker 12: this atrocity. We need to see high visibility response by police.
49:05
Speaker 12: We need to be seeing doors knocked down and actually
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Speaker 12: proper investigations into those who are behind the hate that's
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Speaker 12: being spawned.
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Speaker 14: I haven't seen it. None of us have seen this.
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Speaker 12: It's not visible, and it's because from the top we're
49:19
Speaker 12: not seeing that conviction, you know, over the past.
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Speaker 3: Because it's been about forty eight hours now, Ben, I
49:26
Speaker 3: can't tell you the number of people I've spoken to
49:28
Speaker 3: who who were here, who endured the terror attacker, and
49:32
Speaker 3: many understandably don't want to go on camera, but that.
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Speaker 2: They've poured their heart out. It feels like it's.
49:37
Speaker 3: Been forty eight hours of tears for so many in
49:39
Speaker 3: the Jewish community, and you just don't get the sense
49:42
Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister has had any of those conversations.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't have an understanding of the trauma of what
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Speaker 3: went on here.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think on an emotional basis, you're not seeing
49:52
Speaker 12: that matching it. There seems to be a cognitive dissonance
49:54
Speaker 12: or something. Something's just not adding up in terms of
49:57
Speaker 12: that response. You know, you don't want to see people
50:02
Speaker 12: raging or over the top, but you wanted to see
50:04
Speaker 12: a degree of anger behind this.
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Speaker 14: That's what we've seen in the past.
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Speaker 12: You can go back twenty five years to when the
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Speaker 12: first wave of terror attacks came. The response from Australian
50:14
Speaker 12: leaders was a commensurate degree of anger about this and
50:19
Speaker 12: a determination to get to the bottom of it, root
50:22
Speaker 12: it out and start to tackle what is an enormous
50:26
Speaker 12: problem for all of us in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Ben, you saw my interview with the New Southel was premier.
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Speaker 3: It was the most substantial interview he's done so far,
50:35
Speaker 3: a twenty minute interview.
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Speaker 2: What did you.
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Speaker 3: Make of how he plans to address the issue of
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Speaker 3: radical Islam, and then also the police resourcing problem that
50:44
Speaker 3: clearly took place here.
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Speaker 12: Well, he's miles in front of Alberanezi, but it was
50:48
Speaker 12: actually alarming to hear that there are only two police
50:52
Speaker 12: at that time. I would like to know whether there
50:55
Speaker 12: were attempts to get more police from Jewish leaders. As
50:59
Speaker 12: you said, thousand people here. It seems inadequate to have
51:03
Speaker 12: two police, particularly obviously in light of what's happened, so
51:06
Speaker 12: I think we need to know whether there were attempts
51:09
Speaker 12: to get more police here. I think what this shows
51:12
Speaker 12: is if we have to have a massive sort of
51:16
Speaker 12: presence of police at every Jewish event, it goes to
51:19
Speaker 12: the point that there's been a manifest manifestly inadequate response
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Speaker 12: to the anti Semitism problem.
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Speaker 2: Exactly well, and.
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Speaker 3: Hatred has been allowed to breed within Western Sydney communities
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Speaker 3: to get to the point where we now live our lives.
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Speaker 12: In fear and they feel like they have a social
51:37
Speaker 12: license to be able to talk about their hatred out loud.
51:40
Speaker 12: I want to know why there hasn't been any arrests
51:42
Speaker 12: or charges that you pointed out in an interview for
51:44
Speaker 12: hate speech amongst the extreme Islamus.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean they all say they've got the laws, then
51:50
Speaker 3: why aren't the laws being used.
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Speaker 12: I think that's a problem. We don't have necessarily a
51:54
Speaker 12: law problem. We have a problem of execution.
51:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because the Prime Minister said today he's got
51:59
Speaker 3: hates to be laws, you know, the Premiere when I
52:01
Speaker 3: sat down with him, said he's got these brand new laws,
52:04
Speaker 3: but we just don't see those arrests happen.
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Speaker 2: And even on the Harbor Bridge, when I went to.
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Speaker 3: Police with specific photographs of people wearing the hamas inverted
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Speaker 3: triangle or carrying a swastik, or on a macanduved etc.
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Speaker 2: No action is taken.
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Speaker 12: Because their approach is to for harm minimization rather than
52:24
Speaker 12: actually tackling the problem.
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Speaker 14: And I think that's the thing.
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Speaker 12: You can't appease evil, you have to tackle it exactly.
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Speaker 3: Ben English, thank you so much for joining us here.
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Speaker 3: We look forward to.
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Speaker 2: Your coverage tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: Thank you much, and.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us tonight on this
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Speaker 3: special live broadcast forty eight hours on from the most horrific.
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Speaker 2: Terror attack in Australia's history.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at day And here's Paul Murray,