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Bonus episode: Divers search lake for missing car after young Texas mom Emily Wade found dead; was she murdered? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time. Every day gets harder. A
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Speaker 1: mother's heart is breaking. I'm scared I'll never see her again.
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Speaker 1: A lot. Shirley Wade living with her thirty eight year
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Speaker 1: old daughter, Emily Wade in Ennis, an hour south of Dallas,
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Speaker 1: when her daughter disappeared. Emily, a waitress at Chili's, reportedly
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Speaker 1: went to a coworkers for pizza in a movie. She
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Speaker 1: hasn't been seen since. Emily was last seen wearing a
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Speaker 1: peach colored sweater. Police say she was driving a silver
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve Nissan Altima with Kentucky plates. If anybody has
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Speaker 1: seen Emily seen that Nissan anywhere, please we're asking you
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Speaker 1: to contact the department. You're hearing our friend Carrie Sanders
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Speaker 1: NBC News and Officer Roger Cole with his police department.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Emily Wade? A mother of a beautiful
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Speaker 1: little girl. She had just moved back into an area
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Speaker 1: where she was very, very familiar so she could be
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Speaker 1: with her mom living there in the apartment together to
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Speaker 1: help raise her little girl closer to her ex The
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Speaker 1: bio dad in the last hours, the body of missing
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Speaker 1: text this mom, Emily Wade has been discovered in a
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Speaker 1: creek bed. The thirty seven year old mom dead. She
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Speaker 1: swept away by flooding waters. If so, where is her car? I?
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, with me right now, an all star cast,
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Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime Online dot Com, investigative reporter, Ashley Wilcott,
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Speaker 1: judge lawyer anchor. Find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists, renowned forensics expert, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan and
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. The commander of the Cajun Coach
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Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Tony Wade. Commander Way, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us, Tony, A very very disturbing
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Speaker 1: news has broken in the last hours. But I want
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Speaker 1: to start with the discovery of her body and what
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Speaker 1: we know about the topography, the geography of where she
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Speaker 1: was last seen and where her body is and where
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Speaker 1: you believe her car may be. You know what hold on, Tony,
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Speaker 1: John Linley. For those people just joining us and are
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Speaker 1: not familiar with Emily's disappearance. Tell me quickly about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of Emily Wade. The mother. Emily Wade lived in
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Speaker 1: an apartment with her young daughter and her mom, Shirley,
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Speaker 1: who we heard her voice earlier in Ennis, Texas, about
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Speaker 1: thirty five miles south of Dallas. On the first Saturday
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Speaker 1: of this year, Emily asked her mom if she could
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Speaker 1: use her car to go to a male co worker's
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Speaker 1: house to eat pizza and watch a movie. The last
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Speaker 1: time her family saw her was late afternoon, as Emily
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Speaker 1: left for that friend's house. Yeah, I find that interesting
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Speaker 1: because it was broad daylight. She loves like five o'clock
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Speaker 1: something like that from her home, and she goes over
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Speaker 1: to the friend's house. They have the pizza, they watched
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Speaker 1: the movie. He says, he sees her leave, sees the
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Speaker 1: tail lights in the distance, says he looks out of
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Speaker 1: the window after her. And that was around eight thirty.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't very late at all. But then she never
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Speaker 1: came home, right, John Limley correct? Around ten pm, Emily's
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Speaker 1: mom realized that her daughter wasn't home yet, and then,
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Speaker 1: to add to that, the concern was even lift was
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Speaker 1: even heightened the next morning when Emily didn't show up
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Speaker 1: for her eleven am shift at Chili's restaurant where she worked.
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Speaker 1: And see that threw a wave of panic through me,
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Speaker 1: because you know a Chili's who knows who had been
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Speaker 1: watching her from the parking lot or coming in and
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Speaker 1: having a meal at her table every night. This mother
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Speaker 1: of one body just found. But where's her car? It
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me to the commander of the
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Speaker 1: Cajun Coach Search and Rescue, that she's in one spot
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Speaker 1: and her car isn't nearby, because you told me that
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Speaker 1: the evening she drove away from the coworkers, the pizza
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Speaker 1: in the movie was really really rainy and wendy. It
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Speaker 1: seemed as if, from the position of her body that
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Speaker 1: she was going over a very narrow bridge with no
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Speaker 1: rails on either side. But that was not on her
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Speaker 1: way home, Commander Wade, Yeah, that's right. That we would
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Speaker 1: have been going to the the opposite direction of home. She
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Speaker 1: could have gotten home that way, but it was it
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Speaker 1: was that's a long way around, extremely long way around.
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Speaker 1: You know why she would have went that way. It
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Speaker 1: just it didn't add up or make sense to us.
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Speaker 1: And I don't notice she would have been real familiar
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Speaker 1: with the area where she was, you know, where her
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Speaker 1: body was found. We just can't understand why she would
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Speaker 1: have went that way to begin with. There's a big
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Speaker 1: question there, you know, to commander of the Cajun Coach
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Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Tony Wade with us, Commander Wade, another
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Speaker 1: thing that doesn't make sense. You saw her body. You
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Speaker 1: saw her. You said her body looked quote pristine. You
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Speaker 1: didn't see blows to the head. You didn't see where
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Speaker 1: she may have hit her head on the steering wheel. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she looked. She looked really good. I mean as good
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Speaker 1: as a corpse can look. Okay, let's just keep that
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Speaker 1: in mind. But Commander Wade, this is this is critical
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Speaker 1: in my mind. Have been thinking about this a lot.
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Speaker 1: When you saw her there on the creek bed, how
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Speaker 1: was her body positioned? But she on her stomach, on
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Speaker 1: her back, on her side. Was she askewed where she
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Speaker 1: laid out as if she had been post she was?
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Speaker 1: She was leading on her back to me as an
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Speaker 1: unnatural position for a drowning victim. Um, you know I've
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Speaker 1: worked many drowning cases and just the weed a body
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Speaker 1: up here just as it didn't fit with a drowning,
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Speaker 1: especially in and currents like that like that creek would
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Speaker 1: have had in it. Uh, just it just didn't. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't right. The body position. You know, you and I've
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Speaker 1: talked a couple of times on and off the air
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Speaker 1: about this, and believe it or not, I woke up
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Speaker 1: in the night thinking about Emily Wade and the position
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Speaker 1: of her body. That's something I didn't ask. You. Got
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Speaker 1: another question for you? What was she wearing? She was
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Speaker 1: wearing the exact clothes that she went missing as she
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Speaker 1: had the peach colored like global hoodie. Uh, the jeans
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Speaker 1: uh and Kinnis shoes. Um, the exact clothes she had
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Speaker 1: on her shoes. She had on her shoes correct? Were
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Speaker 1: her She's muddy? May I ask the clothes were? The
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Speaker 1: clothes were had a little mud on them? Um, not
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Speaker 1: what I would expect, you know, from going into a
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Speaker 1: creek like that. There was some some some some well,
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Speaker 1: hold on, oh what cook mud on the front but
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Speaker 1: on the bat but on the shoes. Had she tried
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Speaker 1: to walk through the mud? What what about the mud
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Speaker 1: was there here? Muddy? No, it wasn't interesting, you know.
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Speaker 1: Now the back the backside was pretty much because she
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Speaker 1: was laying on her back in the mud. But you know,
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Speaker 1: it didn't appear like she should have been crawling through
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Speaker 1: mud or trying to walk through deep mud. It just
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Speaker 1: didn't appear that. We're so, how would she have landed?
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Speaker 1: Just washed up on her back? Because typically, hold on,
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Speaker 1: I've got doctor Daniel Bober with me. He's not just
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Speaker 1: a forensic psychiatrist, is a medical doctor, and then they
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Speaker 1: specialize in psychiatries. My understanding, I'm just a trial lawyer, Bober,
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Speaker 1: so feel free to correct me as you so often do. Uh,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bober, A drowning victim. This is anecdotal for me,
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Speaker 1: and I'm following up on what Commander Wages said. I've
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Speaker 1: never seen a drowning victim turn up on their back,
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Speaker 1: lying there like they're posed. Yeah, I mean, you know
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Speaker 1: it could have been staged, Nancy. But you know, when
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Speaker 1: people are drowning, sometimes they're thrashing all about and you
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Speaker 1: just never know what position they're actually going to end
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Speaker 1: up in when they finally passed, you know what, You're
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Speaker 1: right about that, So I can't read anything into it.
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Speaker 1: So every time I've learned of a drowning victim, I
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Speaker 1: studied a scene. For instance, seen it on TV and movies.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever lying there on their back just trying to
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Speaker 1: figure this whole thing. Okay, So, Commander Way, did you
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Speaker 1: see anything else that appeared unusual about the positioning of
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Speaker 1: Emily Wade's body, Just the whole position of a just
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Speaker 1: unnatural sv for a drawnic situation. You know, I've worked
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Speaker 1: in many, many cases with Johnny victims, and I've never
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Speaker 1: not just say that it's not possible, but I've never
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Speaker 1: seen one in that type of position before. Just kind
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Speaker 1: of a relax, Well, Bob, we're just tore apart that
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Speaker 1: theory and I were working up, but I still believe it,
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Speaker 1: Commander Wade. So many other questions swirling right now and
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Speaker 1: in the last hours another development. Has Emily Wade's car
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Speaker 1: been found? And where so Emily is? So loved? Ones
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Speaker 1: and police say they really don't know what might have
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Speaker 1: happened with her and as police are still searching this morning,
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Speaker 1: but they say so far their efforts have come up empty.
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Speaker 1: On Saturday, thirty eight year old Emily Wade left the
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Speaker 1: home of a friend where she'd been hanging out with
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Speaker 1: some of her co workers from Chili's restaurant. Police say
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Speaker 1: She walked out the door at eight thirty and was
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Speaker 1: seen walking to her car alone. Her family was expecting
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Speaker 1: her to come straight home, but she never arrived. Detectives
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Speaker 1: tell me they have searched the four to five mile
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Speaker 1: route and the home where she visited and found no
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Speaker 1: trace of Emily or her car. Did you cut that sound?
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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at KTVTTV. That was Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Lingern reporting and you were hearing Officer Roger Cole. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so many questions to kJ Search and Rescue Commander Tony
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Speaker 1: Wade number one. I heard them just say co workers
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Speaker 1: with an S on the end. Were there other people
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Speaker 1: there having a movie in a pizza or just her
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Speaker 1: and the one guy? Well, we haven't been told it
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Speaker 1: with other people. From what we understand, it was only okay,
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Speaker 1: and I just wondering if there were more witnesses that
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Speaker 1: could place. At times she left really bothers me. So
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Speaker 1: one thing I have to add for everybody to think
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Speaker 1: about is I recognize that people think they know people
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Speaker 1: and understand what people will and won't do. But I'm
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Speaker 1: here to say, as a judge, I see it every
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Speaker 1: single day. We really truly don't know what some people
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Speaker 1: are going to do. So even if the public thinks
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Speaker 1: he'd never do that, she'd never do that, they don't know.
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Speaker 1: So please, please, people need to report anything that they
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Speaker 1: know and let law enforcement take it from there. You know,
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Speaker 1: Commander Wade, you have told me repeatedly that you had
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Speaker 1: looked at that area or that area had been searched
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Speaker 1: and her body was not there, and then it was
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Did I understand you correctly? Yes? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there were several people that had checked that area in
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Speaker 1: a day fire to her discovery, and you know, nobody
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Speaker 1: saw a body. And when she was sound, it was obvious.
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Speaker 1: You could see, you know, you had to be in
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Speaker 1: the creek bed, but she was obvious. They stood out.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, she wasn't the end the day's fire. In
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Speaker 1: my opinion, she just wasn't there. People a lot of
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Speaker 1: people had searched that area turned up offing to forensics
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Speaker 1: expert author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jackson State University, Joe Scott, is it possible
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Speaker 1: that she was in the water and then washed ashore
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Speaker 1: after the area had been searched. Yeah, it's possible if
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Speaker 1: she hung up in these creek beds. Lots of times
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Speaker 1: you'll have debris along the bottom. I've seen this many
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Speaker 1: times where people drown and they'll be caught by branches
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Speaker 1: or maybe beneath or adjacent to a stump or rocks
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and then as the body begins to change
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Speaker 1: after death, they'll essentially pop up to the top. And
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Speaker 1: this is very dynamic, as Tony had mentioned a moment ago,
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Speaker 1: because the water is kind of sweeping, very fast moving water.
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Speaker 1: So my question is, could she have been caught up
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Speaker 1: in an eddy somewhere where they could not have seen her,
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Speaker 1: where she was obscured in some way? And I have
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Speaker 1: to go back to what we said earlier, and I
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Speaker 1: agree with Tony. Out of all of the drowning cases
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Speaker 1: I've worked in my career, and there have been hundreds
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Speaker 1: and hundreds, I can tell you it is by far
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Speaker 1: the exception to find a person floating on their back,
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Speaker 1: as opposed to what we classically refer to as a
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Speaker 1: dead man's float, which is faced down. It's anatomically difficult
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Speaker 1: for a body to kind of float in that posture
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Speaker 1: because of the curvature of the spine and also the lungs.
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Speaker 1: So it's an odd case, Nancy, to say the least, Well,
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Speaker 1: you call it odd, I call it suspicious because I'm
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Speaker 1: not buying it. Something's not right. I feel that she
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Speaker 1: was posed. Posed. That means this was not an accident
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Speaker 1: of somebody to the time to pose her. Got another
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Speaker 1: question for you, Commander Tony Way with the Cajun Coach
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Speaker 1: Search and Rescue Commander, I'm back to the area. If
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Speaker 1: she had drowned, she had had a wreck driven into
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Speaker 1: the water and drowned, which is the current working theory,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not buying it. Something's not right if that
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Speaker 1: had happened. So many questions. One did she just drive
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Speaker 1: off the bridge into it? She certainly didn't drive down
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Speaker 1: the side of the creek bed. What is it a river?
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Speaker 1: Is it a creek? Is it a pond? What is it? Well,
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a creek, uh, And it's fed mostly
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Speaker 1: from lake Boardwell, when when the level in the lake
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Speaker 1: reaches a certain depth or heights or on the bank
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Speaker 1: or whatever, they opened a dam and released water out
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Speaker 1: of the lake and that's that's what feeds that that
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Speaker 1: that creek. Uh. You know something, it's when when when
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Speaker 1: the dam is open, there's a lot of water going
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Speaker 1: through there. A lot of water going through there. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean a lot of water? How deep can
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Speaker 1: it be? On depth? I couldn't. I'm not positive on that,
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Speaker 1: but there there's a I think that's there's like one
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Speaker 1: point eight million cubic feet of water per hour coming
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Speaker 1: out of the dam. So you're gonna have you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have a very swift, very swift to people swim in it,
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Speaker 1: to people swim in it, no, they know, not swimming it.
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Speaker 1: It's just nobody swims in that. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: log jams, uh you know, all that stuff all the
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Speaker 1: way down that creek. Uh No, nobody would you know
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Speaker 1: with the cart like you know, have any idea how
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Speaker 1: deep it is. I've been told the spots there were
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Speaker 1: fifteen feet of water, uh you know, and it varies
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Speaker 1: from from from place to place, um, you know for
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Speaker 1: fifteen maybe some eighteen twenty foot spots, uh you know,
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Speaker 1: and then back down to you know, the four or
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Speaker 1: five foot range. So it's just it varies all the
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Speaker 1: way down the creek. Well, I don't understand to Askele
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Speaker 1: Wilcott judge and lawyer and asked Wilcott dot Com asked you.
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Speaker 1: What I don't get is how this thing happened. There
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Speaker 1: was no sign that she had driven, you know what,
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Speaker 1: driven through a bunch of trees and brush, just drive
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Speaker 1: into the water when she's on her way home to
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Speaker 1: see her mom and her baby or she lives. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Was she going over the bridge and
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Speaker 1: she just goes off. If so, her car would be
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Speaker 1: right there fifteen feet at the deepest, that's not that current,
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Speaker 1: and in just fifteen feet is not enough to take
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Speaker 1: a car away, and you can't find it in a creek.
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Speaker 1: That is not gonna happen. And then she turns up
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Speaker 1: on her back, just muddy on the backside. None of
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Speaker 1: this makes sense to me, Nancy. I don't believe that
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Speaker 1: this was She was in a car and regrettably it
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Speaker 1: got into water that was too deep a I'd want
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Speaker 1: to know, can she swim or not be I think
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Speaker 1: the body was dumped, and so certainly people like Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, who are expert forensic individuals can look at
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Speaker 1: the body the corner, can do an autopsy. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what they find. Because I am with you, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: smell right. I don't think it's right. I think there
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Speaker 1: was some type of foul play and I hope that
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Speaker 1: law enforcement is still questioning to figure out what in
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Speaker 1: fact really happened to her. Well, what do we know
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Speaker 1: about the autopsy? To John Limley Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Where you can find this in all other
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Speaker 1: breaking crime injustice news, John Limley, where's the autopsy? Fancy
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Speaker 1: those results have not been released to the public yet,
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Speaker 1: still pending the findings of that autopsy. That's not helping
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Speaker 1: me because Commander Tony Way Cajun Co Search and Rescue,
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Speaker 1: I want to know. Was she molested? Was she raped?
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Speaker 1: What was the cause of death? Was it? Was it drowning?
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Speaker 1: Was it manual strangulation which may not leave as much
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Speaker 1: of a mark as ligature strangulation. Was it asphyxiation? Did
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Speaker 1: you have a blow to the head, a closed head
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Speaker 1: injury where you don't see it on the outside, but
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Speaker 1: the damages on the inside could been on the back
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Speaker 1: of the head where he didn't see it. When she
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Speaker 1: was laying there. You said, she look Christine, Tony, Is
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Speaker 1: that true? Did you have any idea what was the
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Speaker 1: cod cause of death? You know, I like to see
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Speaker 1: there were no visible signs, novisible signs at all. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, we heard, we heard from the family that
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Speaker 1: that the coroner said that it was a drowning. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I questioned that itself. But you know,
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the actual AUTOPSI report yet. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: as far as I know, it hasn't been released to
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Speaker 1: the public yet. And I'm just I'm really curious about it.
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Speaker 1: I want to see the AUTOPSI report when it's released too,
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Speaker 1: you know, to come to see it. And I've actually
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Speaker 1: several you know, I'll talk to a corner friend of
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Speaker 1: mine and we discussed the case, and he said, you
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Speaker 1: know that many days of being missening and prison get
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Speaker 1: to that many days that the body wouldn't have looked
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Speaker 1: like it looked. The thirty eight year old moved to
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Speaker 1: Texas a couple of years ago from Cynthia. Anda, however,
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Speaker 1: came back to Kentucky several months ago to help her
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Speaker 1: mother recover from surgery. Once she was better, they both
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Speaker 1: moved back down to Texas just three weeks ago. They
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Speaker 1: made that move to be with Emilie's seven year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: Will be in family department and the Moody will come
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Speaker 1: over ndo the door. She said that Mommy, you know,
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Speaker 1: and imagine what you're going through. My mom having a
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Speaker 1: real time with this. Also, I ain't our daughters missing
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Speaker 1: and she down here the only family or you got
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Speaker 1: me right now? Down here. Emily's brother, Chad, who still
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Speaker 1: lives here in Kentucky, is now down in Texas helping
20:17
Speaker 1: with search efforts. Nothing has really panned out. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend w KYTTV Hilary Thornton speaking with Emily Wade's brother, Chad,
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Speaker 1: the little girl asking every day, where's mommy? Where's mommy?
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Speaker 1: Going to look at the window. We know Mommy's body
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Speaker 1: has been found at a creek bed. This is not
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Speaker 1: adding up. I've got a lot of questions about autopsy
20:42
Speaker 1: and about how you prove a drowning death. But breaking
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Speaker 1: news right now to the commander of the Cajun Coach
20:50
Speaker 1: Search and Rescue, Tony Wade. Tony, I understand that about
20:57
Speaker 1: oh six hundred Saturday morning, tomorrow morning, your team is
21:04
Speaker 1: going down. Divers going down because something is popped up
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Speaker 1: on sonar. Explain, yeah, exactly, and it's it's not our team.
21:13
Speaker 1: There's a dive team out of Texas that's going out
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Speaker 1: to actually get into water. So they're telling me there
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Speaker 1: was a sonar hit and they did just did decide
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Speaker 1: that on the sun or it is a car, whether
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Speaker 1: her car or not, we're not sure at this point.
21:25
Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna send divers down on Saturday morning
21:28
Speaker 1: to see if it's her car and it's so they're
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Speaker 1: going to retrieve the car. From from what they're telling me,
21:33
Speaker 1: the star hit us in League Bardwell on the opposite
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Speaker 1: side of the dam from where she would have been
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Speaker 1: found in the creek by several miles. So that that
21:42
Speaker 1: in itself raises a lot of questions because of the
21:44
Speaker 1: cars in the League Bardwell, then how did she get
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Speaker 1: down in Comming's Creek? Um? You know? So, I mean
21:50
Speaker 1: that that question will be answered on Saturday when the
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Speaker 1: dive team actually goes down and it's a visual on
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Speaker 1: the vehicle itself to see if it's her car or not.
21:57
Speaker 1: And you know, right now we're it's highly likely it
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Speaker 1: is her vehicle. Okay, you talk so so quickly, and
22:06
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty good at understanding cajun because my
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Speaker 1: my best friend is Cajun. Could you slow it down?
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Speaker 1: A little bit for me, Commander Wade, and tell me
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Speaker 1: again what did you just say, Because from what you're
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Speaker 1: telling me, if her vehicle is in the lake, then
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Speaker 1: her vehicle and her body are separated by a dam. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. You know that the sonar hit is in
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Speaker 1: is actually in leaked Bardwell, which is going to be
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Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the dam that feeds um
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Speaker 1: Cummings Creek where her body would have been fair where
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Speaker 1: her body was found, and that's that's separated by by
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Speaker 1: several miles. At that point, you know, to me, it'd
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Speaker 1: be physically impossible for her to have been in the
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Speaker 1: leak in her car and end up in Cummings Creek
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Speaker 1: by by drifting. H I think the chances on that
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Speaker 1: are slim to none. The Commander Wade, I am looking
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Speaker 1: right now at a photo of late Bardwell. It's huge,
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Speaker 1: and I'm also looking at the dam, and I don't
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Speaker 1: really understand how a car, I guess, go upstream and
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Speaker 1: get through a dam to get separated from her body,
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Speaker 1: or how could her body get through the damn if
23:33
Speaker 1: in fact this is her car. Just suspend disbelief and
23:36
Speaker 1: explain to me how could her body be that far
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Speaker 1: away and get through a dam from her car. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, I think it's it's actually impossible for the
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Speaker 1: body to end up on the other side of the dam,
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Speaker 1: on the opposide of with a carus. You know, I've
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Speaker 1: been physically been out there and looked at the damn
23:56
Speaker 1: looked at the structure, and you know, to spill over
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Speaker 1: and lost. I just, I just I don't see it happened. Well,
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Speaker 1: Commander Wade, what about if there was a lot of overflow,
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Speaker 1: could it have gone her body gone gone over the dam?
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't see how it. Wood
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Speaker 1: has to be honest with you, I just don't. I
24:15
Speaker 1: don't see it at all. I'm taking a look right
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Speaker 1: now at late Bardwell and Innes, Texas, and I don't
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Speaker 1: see how the body could have gotten through the dam.
24:23
Speaker 1: I'm just not seeing it. I want to go quickly
24:26
Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath
24:29
Speaker 1: My Feet. Let's talk about the autopsy, because in just
24:34
Speaker 1: a few hours, a dive team is going down into
24:38
Speaker 1: this lake Lake Bardwell there and Innis, Texas, and they're
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Speaker 1: gonna see if what appears to be a car on
24:45
Speaker 1: sonar and I assumed Tony Wade at sidescan sonar. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct? Yes, huh, all right. Sidescan sonar goes down
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Speaker 1: the sides of the body of water and it hits
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Speaker 1: on images. It can even pick up a human body,
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Speaker 1: much less a car. Now, when they get the car,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, and they are going to get it, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be her car. No other car has been reported missing.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna pull that car up. And I want to
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Speaker 1: find out how did she end up getting out of
25:19
Speaker 1: that car? Because Wade and I have talked a long
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Speaker 1: time about this. Her car only had electric windows, and
25:29
Speaker 1: when you go into the water, that immediately shorts out
25:32
Speaker 1: the electrical circuit in a car. You can't lower the window.
25:37
Speaker 1: So what did she And once that you're in the water,
25:40
Speaker 1: pressure on the outside is so strong you can't kick out.
25:44
Speaker 1: That's where you're supposed to carry a hammer in your
25:46
Speaker 1: car under your seat to get out if you go underwater.
25:49
Speaker 1: What are we looking for in the car, Joe Scott Morgan, Well,
25:53
Speaker 1: we're glass in the cars have been knocked in the
25:56
Speaker 1: car have been knocked out, the side windows, the wind
25:59
Speaker 1: she yield, the rear window, just to try to frame
26:04
Speaker 1: it as if there was a possibility that the body
26:08
Speaker 1: could have floated out of the vehicle, so we have
26:11
Speaker 1: to eliminate that. I want to know if the doors
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Speaker 1: are open on the vehicle, maybe that was a possibility.
26:18
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that would be externally. I'm very curious
26:23
Speaker 1: to know what kind of external damage is there to
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Speaker 1: this vehicle. Is there rollover damage, like, for instance, is
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Speaker 1: the actual roof of the car crushed in, the hood
26:34
Speaker 1: of the car crushed in? Is there impact impact damage
26:38
Speaker 1: to the very forward portion of the vehicle or has
26:41
Speaker 1: it been bumped off the road? Have the sidewall has
26:43
Speaker 1: been crushed in? So the car is going to tell
26:46
Speaker 1: a lot in this particular case, Nancy, Guys, we are
26:49
Speaker 1: searching for the truth and the death of this young
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Speaker 1: mom of one who worked at Chili's, lived with her mom,
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Speaker 1: Emily Wade. It is originally from Kentucky. The car she
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Speaker 1: was driving was her mom's twenty twelve silver Nissan Altima
27:06
Speaker 1: with Kentucky license plates four one one pa Z. Jared
27:13
Speaker 1: Jones and Emily Wade share custody of their seven year
27:16
Speaker 1: old daughter. As of this morning, they hadn't told her
27:19
Speaker 1: yet that her mom is missing. It's going to Yes,
27:24
Speaker 1: we don't know what to say to her, but we're
27:27
Speaker 1: gonna have to tell her something. She's very intuitive and
27:30
Speaker 1: she knows something's wrong. Her family says Emily Wade's bank
27:34
Speaker 1: account hasn't been touched. That her cell phone, one she
27:37
Speaker 1: only uses for text messaging, hasn't been used either. They
27:41
Speaker 1: are baffled, and so are police, and both are asking
27:44
Speaker 1: for the public's help to bring Emily home. No, she's
27:48
Speaker 1: never done anything like this before. That's what scares me.
27:51
Speaker 1: She would not do this, her mother. I know she
27:54
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it to me. She knows that worry. She
27:56
Speaker 1: would not do this to me. She would not do
27:59
Speaker 1: this to her daughter. No, nothing like that. You can
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Speaker 1: hear the heartbreak and Shirley Wade's voice as she describes
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Speaker 1: her daughter, Emily and her granddaughter. You are hearing from
28:12
Speaker 1: our friends at ktr KTV speaking with her mom, Shirley,
28:17
Speaker 1: and Mommy was right. She would never have done that.
28:22
Speaker 1: Her body has been found along a creek bed. Now
28:27
Speaker 1: we understand Commander Tony Wade with the Cajun Co Search
28:31
Speaker 1: and Rescue is telling us Sizekin Sonar is picked up
28:34
Speaker 1: on an image that they believe is a car in
28:38
Speaker 1: the adjacent lake. How that car was separated from her
28:42
Speaker 1: body by a damn we don't know. And I'm looking
28:46
Speaker 1: at video of the creek right now. It just doesn't
28:51
Speaker 1: seem big enough for her to have drowned in, you know,
28:55
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her car, and I'm thinking about SiZ
28:58
Speaker 1: skin sonar for those of you that are not divers
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Speaker 1: or haven't recovered bodies, and I hope that's everybody listening
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Speaker 1: out of water. Side scan sonar is a category of
29:08
Speaker 1: sonar systems and it is used because it can create
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Speaker 1: a very very accurate image, even in large bodies of water,
29:16
Speaker 1: like out in the ocean. You can also use multi
29:22
Speaker 1: beam echo sounders, you can use acoustic dopplers. You can
29:26
Speaker 1: use hydrophones to listen, but and you get way as
29:32
Speaker 1: sound waves that are different around the object than the
29:36
Speaker 1: free flowing water. To Tony Way, Cajun Co Search and
29:39
Speaker 1: Rescue Commander, what did the object look like on the
29:43
Speaker 1: side scan sonar, Well, I haven't. I haven't personally seen
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Speaker 1: it yet, but speaking with the divers, they're they're convinced
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Speaker 1: is a car. You know, I'm mean it's just easily
29:53
Speaker 1: distinguishable between a car and in the bottom or trash
29:56
Speaker 1: or anything else. So they they did have a sonar
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Speaker 1: hit on. It's my understanding from looking at sideskin sonar images,
30:05
Speaker 1: you cannot really distinguish the different types of car. Would
30:08
Speaker 1: you agree with that, Tony? Yes, I do? I do. Yeah,
30:11
Speaker 1: that's what they said to hear without the physically go
30:13
Speaker 1: down and and visually see it says you what kind
30:17
Speaker 1: of car. It is just not going to go to tail.
30:19
Speaker 1: It's gonna make modeling that kind of stuff from sideskans too.
30:22
Speaker 1: Joe's got Morgan Frinzi's expert. So many things to look
30:26
Speaker 1: for in the car. But back to the autopsy, if
30:29
Speaker 1: it's truly a drowning, what would you find in the
30:33
Speaker 1: end the lungs, well, what what? What is the smoth
30:37
Speaker 1: striking about the lungs at autopsy with drownings, Nancy, is
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Speaker 1: that they are precipitously heavier, highly congested compared to say,
30:45
Speaker 1: those that have not drowned. Typical lung pair of lungs
30:50
Speaker 1: weighs roughly about two and a half pounds, and so
30:53
Speaker 1: many times in these cases you're gonna find when you
30:56
Speaker 1: weigh the lungs, they're gonna weigh five pounds, and that
31:00
Speaker 1: is because they are effused with water. Some of the
31:04
Speaker 1: other things very quickly that we have to consider. If
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Speaker 1: they're talking about her passing through a dam or through
31:11
Speaker 1: a spill way. One of the things that you have
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Speaker 1: to differentiate if she had any kind of anti mordem trauma,
31:19
Speaker 1: which means before death. You have to delineate that from
31:24
Speaker 1: what's called post mortem trauma, which is her body would
31:27
Speaker 1: be banged around and there wouldn't be any hemorrhage associated
31:30
Speaker 1: with that. But if we have anti mordem trauma, say
31:33
Speaker 1: you had mentioned like a literature strangulation or a manual strangulation,
31:38
Speaker 1: we would have hemorrhage related to that. So the doctors
31:41
Speaker 1: have to be very very careful at autopsy to be
31:44
Speaker 1: able to examine these and kind of separate the weak
31:47
Speaker 1: from the chaff, if you will, relative to this, and
31:49
Speaker 1: there's a whole other aspect we haven't even looked at
31:52
Speaker 1: to Ashe Wilcott, Juvenall judge and lawyer at Ashley Wilcott
31:56
Speaker 1: dot com. The husband, you know, the husband, the X
32:02
Speaker 1: is always the first target of an investigation when a
32:06
Speaker 1: woman dies. Or goes missing Ashley. Well, they should be
32:09
Speaker 1: the first person to target because they ostensibly ay know
32:13
Speaker 1: more about that person than anybody else because they've been
32:16
Speaker 1: together with them at some point. But b because too
32:19
Speaker 1: frequently statistically, when someone does die and is killed, the
32:24
Speaker 1: reality is it's by someone they know. So there are
32:26
Speaker 1: two things that are going to solve this case in
32:28
Speaker 1: my opinion. The first is somebody knows something. Anybody who
32:32
Speaker 1: thinks they know something that may not be important needs
32:35
Speaker 1: to come forward. The second is forensics, and I'm hopeful
32:39
Speaker 1: law enforcement is considering everybody that she knows at this
32:42
Speaker 1: moment until we can determine, based on forensics exactly what
32:47
Speaker 1: happened to her and rule out any suspicion. It's way
32:51
Speaker 1: too suspicious for me, you know what, As I was
32:53
Speaker 1: saying earlier, and mommy always knows best. Take a listen
32:56
Speaker 1: to Emily's mother. Surely Emily and her ex boyfriend Jared
33:01
Speaker 1: Jones share custody of a seven year old daughter. Both
33:05
Speaker 1: Emily's mother and Jared questioned by police in situations like this,
33:11
Speaker 1: Detectives always look first at the family. Yes they do,
33:15
Speaker 1: And I can understand that anything going on that is
33:18
Speaker 1: not obvious here with me or with Jared. I would
33:25
Speaker 1: be really surprised if Jared anything that he loved Emily.
33:30
Speaker 1: He loves Emily. They just didn't mess together, you know,
33:35
Speaker 1: but they loved their daughter equally, and he wouldn't. I
33:38
Speaker 1: don't think Jared would ever hurt the mother of his child.
33:43
Speaker 1: That is carry Sanders a NBC and you speaking to
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Speaker 1: Emily's mother And yes, I know a lot of times
33:49
Speaker 1: family doesn't know everything going on, but I've heard him
33:54
Speaker 1: speaking as well Jared. And isn't it true John Limiley
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Speaker 1: parton a searcheon, has been cooperating. That's true in his
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Speaker 1: police say they have for the moment cleared Jones, Wade's
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Speaker 1: mother and her co worker at Chili's as persons of interest.
34:11
Speaker 1: I want to go to dactor, Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists.
34:15
Speaker 1: They have all but cleared the husband. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of it? Oh, I mean, I don't think they're
34:20
Speaker 1: going to completely rule him out. But remember, you know,
34:23
Speaker 1: there's another possibility, maybe someone she came into contact with
34:26
Speaker 1: that Chili's. You know, look at those video footage of
34:30
Speaker 1: when she was working on her ship. Look at the
34:32
Speaker 1: credit card receipts to the people that came in or
34:35
Speaker 1: do the same names keep coming up over and over again.
34:38
Speaker 1: So I agree with Ashley, you know, the most likely
34:41
Speaker 1: person is the people that you know. But there's also
34:44
Speaker 1: this job that she had where she was exposed to
34:46
Speaker 1: the public, So I think that that angle needs to
34:48
Speaker 1: be looked at as well. To John Linley, Crime online
34:51
Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, so much hangs in the balance
34:54
Speaker 1: and will know so much more on Saturday. This is
34:58
Speaker 1: starting early early in the morning. What else do we
35:02
Speaker 1: know is happening. One thing that has helped a little
35:05
Speaker 1: bit with the search is that these floodwaters that were
35:10
Speaker 1: really high the night of Emily's disappearance have subsided a
35:16
Speaker 1: little bit, not a lot, but a little bit, which
35:18
Speaker 1: is helping searcher. Is a good bit. It's very interesting
35:21
Speaker 1: if you go on Google Maps and click on images
35:26
Speaker 1: and actually look at just the bridge that she supposedly
35:30
Speaker 1: crossed that night, it is just a hunk of concrete,
35:34
Speaker 1: no railings on the side whatsoever. Of course, with the
35:38
Speaker 1: water really high, it's possible that her tires didn't even
35:42
Speaker 1: reach the bottom John of that bridge. John, look at
35:48
Speaker 1: the horizon in that picture. There's a dam the bridge.
35:55
Speaker 1: I understand going over the creek is on the side
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Speaker 1: of the dam her body was found, which makes a
36:03
Speaker 1: big difference. That means the car would have been near
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Speaker 1: her body, not so far away on the other side
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Speaker 1: of a damn. The tipline guys nine seven two eight
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,