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HUBBY-FROM-HELL: IRS REP KILLS WIFE VIA FETISH WEBSITE, "HOT NANNY" LOVE TRIANGLE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A husband from Hell, an IRS agent, allegedly murders his
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  Speaker 2: wife through a fetish website because of a hot nanny
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  Speaker 2: love triangle. Their words, not mine, a hot nanny love triangle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Did a glamorous apair scheme, an elaborate murder plot where
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  Speaker 2: her boss turned lover's wife is found stabbed dead. Husband
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  Speaker 2: has said I have shot somebody because they were stabbing
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  Speaker 2: my wife.
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  Speaker 1: This is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide.
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  Speaker 3: Sir, Hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Are you the one who was injured.
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  Speaker 5: Responding?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Tell me? How can you tell me how her
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  Speaker 3: breathing is?
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  Speaker 6: She still heart still be.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
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  Speaker 3: and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
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  Speaker 3: her side. He said, she's breathing normally. She's just not
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  Speaker 3: responding to you.
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  Speaker 5: She's all right, she's good at it. She's got a
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  Speaker 5: very nick hold in her neck.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just keep up flying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
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  Speaker 4: Was already there.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Before I go out to investigative reporter GG mckalvey. Let
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  Speaker 2: me start with veteran trial lawyer defense attorney Paul Bautista,
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  Speaker 2: prominent criminal defense attorney in New York. Best selling author
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  Speaker 2: of Sibyl Rico, fourth edition.
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  Speaker 1: Paul Bautista, that was the hut. He didn't sound very upset.
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  Speaker 1: He's just like, oh, yeah, she's got a big hole
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  Speaker 1: in her net.
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  Speaker 2: If I came home and found my husband with a
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  Speaker 2: hole in his neck, I've been screaming at the top
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  Speaker 2: of my lungs.
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  Speaker 1: Why do we have to play that again?
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  Speaker 7: His voice makes no difference whatsoever. He's a calling to
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  Speaker 7: report a cry. There are very different voices, very different
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  Speaker 7: tones of voice. I don't think that's an indicase anything answering.
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  Speaker 1: You know what.
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  Speaker 2: Let me see Batista, Batista, you can only get just
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  Speaker 2: so far on charm and good looks.
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  Speaker 1: But you do have that going for you. So you
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  Speaker 1: say this doesn't mean anything, I'm gonna hear that again
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  Speaker 1: and listen for this. Now you got the hot nanny.
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  Speaker 1: Their words, not mine. I did not call this a
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  Speaker 1: hot nanny love triangle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and look at that mouthful of red lipstick.
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  Speaker 1: That's a show stopper. Oh and in every quote candid picture.
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  Speaker 1: But wait for it.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to hear them, do you do you?
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  Speaker 2: They're going like, instead of saying she's breathing, she's breathing. Translation,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my story, she's still breathing.
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  Speaker 1: Why won't she die?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, listen, sir, hello, ma'am, can you hear me? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: are you the one who was injured?
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  Speaker 5: She's not responding?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you tell me how can you tell me how
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  Speaker 3: her breathing is?
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  Speaker 5: She's still hear still beat?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure to where she's bleeding from
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  Speaker 3: and just put her on her side. Okay, yeah, on
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  Speaker 3: her side. He said she's breathing normally. She's just not
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  Speaker 3: responding to you.
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  Speaker 5: Right, she's good at it. She's got a buried hole
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  Speaker 5: in her neck.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just keep applying pressure. Okay, just keep adding more.
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  Speaker 3: Was already there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I have to this out. I hope doctor Delatory,
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  Speaker 2: that you can say this. They're like, she's not responding,
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  Speaker 2: she's still breathing, I asked, a pretty big hole on
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  Speaker 2: her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, Delatory.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 8: It sounds very stilted. Yeah, it sounds stilted. It sounds rehearsed.
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  Speaker 8: It sounds like this was always meant to be kind
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  Speaker 8: of a teleplay that they were always meant to say
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  Speaker 8: when as soon as they got on the computer, as
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  Speaker 8: soon as they got on the phone. I think that
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  Speaker 8: the expectation is that if you really did stumble upon
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  Speaker 8: this scene and everything unfolded accurately, you'd be way more
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  Speaker 8: emotional than just kind of the robotic nature in which
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  Speaker 8: you're describing what you're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you heard Paul Batista, and I
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  Speaker 2: guess he's going to argue that to a jury with
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  Speaker 2: a straight face, and he's won a lot of cases.
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  Speaker 1: It apparently works. Let's listen to more than nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call?
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  Speaker 3: Who's the person? Where's the persons bleeping? Are they? Where
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  Speaker 3: are they in the house?
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  Speaker 5: Well upstairs? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot?
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  Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs.
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  Speaker 6: In the bedroom? Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
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  Speaker 3: like and satment's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
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  Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
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  Speaker 3: where it is? Okay? So you don't know the individual
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  Speaker 3: date that was shot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not buying it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're showing you interspersed shots of the hot nanny,
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  Speaker 2: my galie, and we're showing you the wife the debt.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's the wife. She's so cute. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: those lips, what is that? They just take over the
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  Speaker 1: whole picture.
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  Speaker 2: This is the nanny that, without doubt, no question, is
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  Speaker 2: having an affair with the IRS agent that certainly hurts
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  Speaker 2: the IRS credibility. She is having an affair with the
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  Speaker 2: husband the IRS agent that's been proven. And doctor Delatory
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  Speaker 2: before I go back to my observations of the nine
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  Speaker 2: one one, Oh, there you go. I'm glad you got
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  Speaker 2: that cleavage in. Can I see that shot again because
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to miss that? Oh yeah, okay, that
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  Speaker 2: is perfectly positioned. Okay, not judging, don't care. All I
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  Speaker 2: care about are the two dead bodies. But to doctor Delatory, Delatory,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna let Gg McKelvey tell you this.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me Gg McKelvey investigated journalist, host podcast Pretty Lie
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  Speaker 2: and Alibis, Gg, could you tell Delatory and Bautista Batista
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  Speaker 2: listen about the photos that were found as soon as
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  Speaker 2: the wife is dead, when police go back the hot
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  Speaker 2: nanny has already moved photos of her and her and
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  Speaker 2: the husband. Yeah, they photo on the side of the
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  Speaker 2: bed into the master bedroom, and her clothes are.
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  Speaker 9: Hanging in there, including lingerie that they just showed, you know,
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  Speaker 9: to the jury. Yeah, I mean there were loved up
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  Speaker 9: photos of them, several of them placed in the master bedrooms.
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  Speaker 1: Where these murders occurred.
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  Speaker 9: Initially they started out staying in her bedroom after the murders,
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  Speaker 9: but moved into what was Christine and Brendan's room, and
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  Speaker 9: not only slept in the same bed where she was killed,
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  Speaker 9: put their photos everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it blows my mind.
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  Speaker 9: Nancy, How could you lay your head down in that
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  Speaker 9: room knowing what you did in there?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, did you just say she moves in the loved
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  Speaker 2: up photos, put them aside the bed, moves in her lingerie,
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  Speaker 2: which has been shown to the jury.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier. But wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Sleeping in the same bed question, Paul Bautista, where the
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  Speaker 2: sheep's still warm from the dead wife?
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  Speaker 7: Were the sheets still warm? At what point? There's no
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  Speaker 7: issue here. He was having an affair with his old pair.
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  Speaker 7: That does not constitute evidence that he has.
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  Speaker 1: Not his pair. She's not changing his diapers.
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  Speaker 2: It's the baby's O pair. Maybe she is changing his diapers.
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  Speaker 2: They did manage to commit the murder through a fetish website.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know who's wearing diapers and who's dressed
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  Speaker 2: up like a cat and a dog, but.
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  Speaker 1: I do know that these two.
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  Speaker 2: Hey listen to this Batista to you, doctor delatory and
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  Speaker 2: that second portion of the nine one one call we
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  Speaker 2: just played, you know what, let's hear that again. I
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  Speaker 2: want to see if the same thing jumps out at you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the person? Where's the person who's bleeping?
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  Speaker 6: Are they?
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  Speaker 3: Where are they in the house?
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  Speaker 5: Were upstairs? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot?
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  Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
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  Speaker 3: lights and Saturn's okay? And any weapon is secured, correct,
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  Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, I have, I have I Okay,
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  Speaker 3: can you just believe it where it is?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So you don't know the individual that that was shot.
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  Speaker 10: Think about.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: Where is the person who is bleeding? Are they? Where
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  Speaker 3: are they in the house.
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  Speaker 5: Where upstairs? Okay? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And where is the person that was shot?
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  Speaker 3: Are they also in the house downstairs in the bedrooms?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're on the way. They're coming to you now,
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  Speaker 3: likes and Saturn's okay. And any weapon is secured correcting,
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  Speaker 3: any weapon is secured, okay? Can you just leave it
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  Speaker 3: where it is?
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  Speaker 5: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: And so you don't know the individual date that was shot.
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  Speaker 2: You know how many times I would play this in
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  Speaker 2: front of the jury. I'd have this thing on loop,
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  Speaker 2: doctor delatory, I'll kick it off. One thing that strikes me,
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  Speaker 2: Number one, I would be screaming.
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  Speaker 1: My husband has a hole of his neck. Hurry, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not hearing that.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, what I notice is the husband refers to
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  Speaker 2: his wife as they they're upstairs. It makes me wonder,
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  Speaker 2: are he and the nanny, the so gold hot nanny
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  Speaker 2: downstairs and.
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  Speaker 1: They've left the wife upstairs with the.
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  Speaker 2: Complete stranger that they lured to the home off a
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  Speaker 2: fetish website.
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  Speaker 1: According to the State, they they it's like oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh upstairs, and then they go, have you secured
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  Speaker 2: the weapon?
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't say yes, my gun. It's like, yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: secured the weapon.
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  Speaker 2: And then they go do you know the individuals shot
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  Speaker 2: and they say, no, it's his wife.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, listen again, it sounds like this was all something
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  Speaker 8: that they had been working on previously. This looked. This
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  Speaker 8: sounds like statements where they were rehearsing, and I think
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  Speaker 8: that goes to premeditation. These people weren't just there wasn't
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  Speaker 8: something that just happened on a whim. This didn't happen
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  Speaker 8: because of crime of passion or whatever it is that
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  Speaker 8: we want to say. These two individuals have been plotting
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  Speaker 8: for a very long time and had already created this
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  Speaker 8: scenario in their minds and how it was going to
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  Speaker 8: be played out. The reason why they could move into
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  Speaker 8: a bedroom and have the lingerie and everything and all
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  Speaker 8: the pictures, The reason why that could happen was because
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  Speaker 8: the wife in their mind was already a non human obstacle.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 8: The person that was going to come in, who thought
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  Speaker 8: he was there for a specific reason then ends up
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  Speaker 8: getting shot. That person was a non human obstacle that
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  Speaker 8: they needed to get in the way to get to
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  Speaker 8: this call, to set up their alibi.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the transcript of this, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be clear because it's not really clear, Sidney Sander
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  Speaker 2: joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter. It's not really clear
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  Speaker 2: on what they're telling the nine on one operator, but
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  Speaker 2: one victim, the stranger that according to police, they the
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  Speaker 2: nanny and thers agent husband. They lured him to the
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  Speaker 2: home through a fetish website. There he is, He thinks
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  Speaker 2: he's just going for some gratuitous sex off a fetish
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  Speaker 2: website and he ends up dead.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he shot, The wife is stabbed. The wife is stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: It's not really clear on the n I'm one called
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  Speaker 1: Sydney right.
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  Speaker 10: So Christine is stabbed and they claim on this nine
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  Speaker 10: to one one fall that the stranger that was shot,
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  Speaker 10: who is actually Joseph Ryan, is the one who stabbed Christine.
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  Speaker 10: She says, they came into this room and Joseph Ryan
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  Speaker 10: is on top of Christine. She sees Brendan screams for help,
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  Speaker 10: and Brendan shoots Joseph Bryan, who then falls off of
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  Speaker 10: Christine and she thinks she's been saved. So this is
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  Speaker 10: an unimaginable situation. Your house has been broken into, someone
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  Speaker 10: is attacking you. They're wielding a knife. You're terrified, and
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  Speaker 10: you think no one's home and it's this miracle that
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  Speaker 10: your husband comes home and is managing to save you.
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  Speaker 10: But as Joseph Bryan falls off of Christine Banfield, Brendan
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  Speaker 10: climbs on top of her, uses the knife that he
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  Speaker 10: was holding and stabbed her.
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  Speaker 2: Is so far fetched the story that she's telling. But
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  Speaker 2: the grain of truth is that they colluded together to
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  Speaker 2: kill the wife so they could be together. I don't
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  Speaker 2: get why they just didn't get a divorce. He remains
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  Speaker 2: innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. Listen
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  Speaker 2: to more of the nine woman call.
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  Speaker 3: And so where are you are you? Are you taking
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  Speaker 3: care of the person upstairs?
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  Speaker 4: Dry?
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  Speaker 3: I have officers they're pulling up outside. Okay, to just
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  Speaker 3: make sure the weapons, put the police where it is
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  Speaker 3: and it's secure, and just keep buying pressure and make
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  Speaker 3: sure your door is a locked and we make sure
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  Speaker 3: that's done.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 6: As much as your kid.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So make sure your weapon is down, sir. And
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  Speaker 3: now you're coming to the door with your hands up
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  Speaker 3: so they are just can see you. I love you.
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  Speaker 2: So Gg McKelvey joining us investigative journalist and start our
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  Speaker 2: pretty lies and alibis we hear the nanny state? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to help, but it's just quote so long?
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  Speaker 1: What is so long? Gg?
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  Speaker 9: I think she's referring to the response time by first responders,
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  Speaker 9: is all I can figure out with that. You know,
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  Speaker 9: It's a good thing they didn't go into acting because
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  Speaker 9: they both stunk trying to convince this nine one one
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  Speaker 9: operator this was a true emergency.
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  Speaker 1: But she did say.
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  Speaker 9: A couple of times in that nine one one call,
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  Speaker 9: what's taking so long?
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  Speaker 1: Or where are they or something.
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  Speaker 9: To that effect, you know, probably just to give the
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  Speaker 9: impression that she is scared and really wants help.
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  Speaker 1: There. You know, I took it a completely different way.
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  Speaker 2: I thought she meant that the knife wound to the
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  Speaker 2: neck was so long. But I think, Gigi, you're probably right,
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  Speaker 2: So I need.
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  Speaker 1: To understand her story. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, isn't this the way Paul Batista. They're
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  Speaker 2: like two cats cine barrel. They both are under suspicion,
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  Speaker 2: and they're both now doing that pointing the finger at
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  Speaker 2: each other. We see it at trial all the time.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I like to try people together. The only
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  Speaker 2: way to do that is, of course, don't use interlocking
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  Speaker 2: statements against the other.
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  Speaker 1: Right, there are ways to try them together.
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  Speaker 2: Constitutionally, that did not happen here, and I'm sure they
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  Speaker 2: have a reason why. But Paul Bautista, this is just
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  Speaker 2: sop standed operating procedure.
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  Speaker 1: Blame the other one so much for true love, Paul.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy, this is one of the most preposterous stories of
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  Speaker 7: a cooperating witness I have ever heard in forty years
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  Speaker 7: of doing this. It's intricate, it's bizarre, and it sounds
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  Speaker 7: like the concoction of a lady meeting the au pair
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  Speaker 7: who has been sitting in jail for a year, living
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  Speaker 7: a delusional life, and suddenly she wants to cooperate with
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  Speaker 7: the prosecutors and she conveys this utterly, bizarrely intricate story.
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  Speaker 7: Not a credible witness.
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  Speaker 2: You stated that she's been sitting in jail for a year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, what a difference twelve months can make.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to see them before. There's the before shot.
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  Speaker 2: There's the before Take a look at her.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what about it, Patista?
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  Speaker 7: You know the prosecutor obviously dressed up this lady for
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  Speaker 7: her testimony to look like a household servant. The picture
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  Speaker 7: of her entering the courtroom and speaking to the jury
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  Speaker 7: of course, is entirely different from the sex pot picture
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  Speaker 7: taken god knows when. But before she went to jail,
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  Speaker 7: they're dressing her up to sound convincing, calm, remorseful. She's
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  Speaker 7: a puppet. She's making up the story.
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  Speaker 1: Paul, Patissa, you said that the state dressed her up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no no. She hasn't been sentenced.
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  Speaker 2: Her own lawyers dressed her up like that for a
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  Speaker 2: maximum Dowdy effect.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to show you this trick.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see Jody Arius before and after before.
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  Speaker 1: She went to trial and her on the stand. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so to you, doctor John DELATORI, you see with Jody, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she's a blonde bombshell before she sees the jury, and
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  Speaker 2: then when she goes in front of the jury, she
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  Speaker 2: looks like Grandma Spinster. What message are these women trying
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  Speaker 2: to convey? Well, actually, their defense lawyers.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think that that change is exactly what you're
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  Speaker 8: trying to describe, which is to either mitigate their overall
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  Speaker 8: culpability and whatever it is that they have alleged to
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  Speaker 8: have done, or it's about making them seem like someone
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  Speaker 8: who is not capable of engaging in a problematic behavior.
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  Speaker 8: The more homely you look, the more matronly you look,
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  Speaker 8: the less likely a jury is to say that you
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  Speaker 8: engage in murder, no matter what it is that you've
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  Speaker 8: been accused of doing. But the prior right, those are
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  Speaker 8: all the things that you do as your own free
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  Speaker 8: willing spirit, as the as the person that is trying
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: to attract attention. But in the court photos, you're trying
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: to look like someone who wouldn't be drawing that kind
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: of attention or engaging in those kinds of behaviors.
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: Fex County Police saw users responded to a nine to
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: one one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom,
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: we found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot
• 20:08
  Speaker 11: wounds and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: was transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: recovered rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: seven forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: to one one call that was an open line hang up.
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: nine to one one call from the very same cell
• 20:42
  Speaker 11: phone and two persons communicated with our nine one one
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: call taker. At that eight oh two nine one one
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: the nine one one call taker that he just shot
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: the nine on one call taker that the man who
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: he had just shot had stabbed his wife.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: How did this loving, fateful wife end up stabbed dead
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in the family home? And then a complete stranger happens
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to be a bondage and discipline that is, just what's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: he doing in the home and he's dead.
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: The first nine one one call came from me what
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: we now know to be the O pair cell phone.
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: That nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: on that call was a quick hang up. We noted
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: that call. Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: one from the same cell phone, a nine on one
• 21:42
  Speaker 12: call was made and on the phone was first to
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: OH Pair communicating with us, and then she apparently handed the.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: Phone to the husband.
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: The husband communicated with us, and that's when the husband
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: told us that he shot and killed a man inside
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: of his home. And that's when the husband told us
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: that the man who he shot and killed was stabbing
• 22:01
  Speaker 12: his wife.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: GG McKelvey joining us an investigative journalist and star a
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: pretty lice and alibised gig in a nutshell because this
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: is very convoluted what happened.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Because I've got a hard.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Time believing that a stranger comes over for fetish sex
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and murders the wife. He may for sex, but I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: don't think he came over to commit a murder.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He didn't. He was catfished.
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: They used Christine's computer to set up an account on
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: this fat life website where like minded people meet up
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: and do these kind of things.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: They only wait a minute, Wait a minute, look around,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: look around.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Are you in a monastery? No, you're not. You're on
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: crime Stories. When you say people go to this website.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: To do these kind of things, what kind of things? Bondage,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. People like to tie each
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: other up and torture each other when they have sex.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: They like it. Or people that dress up like dogs
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and cats or other animals. They're called furrees.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: You're not in u you're not in a confessional, you're
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: not in a monastery.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Just tell it like it is. What happened.
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on fet life,
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: which is a website where people go who are into bondage,
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: being tied up more violent acts that are consensual, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: pretended to be Christine looking for somebody who was willing
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: to come to her.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: House to do this.
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: What's interesting is they only worked on this website when
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: Christine was home as part of the alibi to say
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: she was here, she was the one doing it, And
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: eventually they found Joe Bryan.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Hold on Gigi and Gigi, that's really significant what you
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: just said. Well, everything that you've said is a correct
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and be significant. But do you remember, let me think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: of a good example. Okay, Top Mom, that's always an example.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: For so many things.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Remember when Top Mom Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony takes
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a stand, goes under oath and I believe perjured herself.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Out of mother's love.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: To try and save that no good daughter, Top Mom
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Casey Anthony, And she got up on the stand and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: she said that she is the one that performed those
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: damning computer searches about how to make homemade chloroform. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it's believed that little Kelly was chloroformed with homemade chloroform
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and passed out, and that somehow she oweded on something
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and died in top mom's trunk.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Cindy Anthony gets up there and says it spell checked me.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I was writing about chlora phil because we have bamboo
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: growing up in our backyard and I'm like, that doesn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: even make sense. She was willing to risk perjury charges
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to try and save her daughter. That is a mother's
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: love right there. But the point is they were creating
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: this creepy fetish website while Christine, the murder victim, the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: mom was home, so it could be argued.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: She was home, this is her computer. We didn't do
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it while she was out.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: At work or out playing or out shopping. Is that
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: what you're telling me?
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: Yes, And actually fooled some of the investigators who thought
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: it was Christine, and they were reassigned to different units
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: because they disagreed with the theories of the other investigators
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: that Joe Ryan was catfished by Juliana and Brendan.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Was he coming over gg to tire her up and
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: have sex or to come over and brandish a weapon?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: What was the communication on that fetish website?
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: The communication was that he was going to come over
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: and bring ropes and a knife and chains and it
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: would be consensual, and there may be some resistance from Christine,
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: but it's all part of the act and to keep going.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor John Delatory, you are the licensed psychologists specializing
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: in forensic psychology.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You can be found on TikTok at.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, explain what's happening here exactly.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: And I think that's that's a key element here because
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: when individuals are engaging in this non consensual, consensual sex act,
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: you're not going to really involve weapons because that's too
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: far of a kink to do on a very first time.
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: There's a level of trust that has to go into
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: the two partners that are participating in this, so it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: not like you're just going to show up out of nowhere.
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: So he had to be convinced. Ryan needed to be
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: convinced that this was an element of the of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: act that Christine absolutely wanted to never have met with
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: him before, and that's a that's that's not something that
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: is fairly consistent within the kink community. So there must
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: have been more communication is going on than what we
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: really know that Christine would have been involved in. Had
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: she just been doing this by herself, other people had
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: to be participated.
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Paul Batista, a defense attorney.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe that this young mom,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: who is exhausted from raising a child and keeping all
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the plates in the air, has time and energy to
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: go on a fetish website and arrange for someone to
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: come tie her up on the one morning she can
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: sleep in.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: Well, you may find that hard to believe, Nancy, but
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: that doesn't do anything to prove the guilt of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: defendant people. She may she may well have desire this,
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: She may well of arrange it. After all, put.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Him back up, I got.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: Bedroom.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. Let me ask you a couple of lightning around questions,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Paul Sai, Have you ever given birth?
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Have I ever been?
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: What?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Given birth?
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Had a baby come out of your stomach through your
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: regina and then raise it?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: That's giving birth?
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: No?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I okay, it's exhausting, exhausting. So this mom has one
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: day she can sleep in, and she plans a fun
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: day for her daughter, her baby girl, to go to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the zoo with the nanny. And she goes to sleep,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and what do you know, here comes Ryan with a rope. Okay,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: JJ McKelvey, take it from right there? What do police
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: believe happens right there?
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: Well, Brendan and Juliana had given Joe Ryan the instruction
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: that the door would be unlocked and for him to
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: let himself in. He goes up to the bedroom, follows
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: the instructions that were given by Brendan and Julieana one
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: time through a voice call with Juliana actually, and then
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: when Juliana is placed in the cul de sac, sees
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: Joe Ryan come in. Brendan comes home. When he goes upstairs,
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: he sees Joe Ryan going according to plan, and Christine
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: looks at her husband and says he has a knife.
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: Then then Brendan shoots Joe Ryan. Christina tells the O
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: pair Juliana to call nine one one, and this is
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: when Brendan begins stabbing his wife.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Sydney Summer Crime Stories. Is that your understanding of what
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: police are alleging?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. So the hot nanny Margalise
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: leaves with the baby to go to the zoo.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Then Ryan shows up with all Isaku Trema for fetish sex.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, the hot nanny Margalise forgets the sandwich
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: lunches she made, comes back to the house and goes, oh,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: there's a strange car.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And instead of just walking in, why would that?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: She calls the husband, her lover right there? Why not
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: just walk in just because you see an odd car
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: in the driveway?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: The two of them. He quickly shows up. The two
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of them come in. The wife now dead.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Christine screams, he's got a knife. They the hot nanny
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and the irs agent husband shoot Ryan dead.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Then they go upstairs and then she is stabbed in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the neck.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Who else could have done it? Ryan was already shot dead.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Is that the sequence of events that you understand, Sydney?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Does Gigi have it right?
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: Oh? Nancy, this all happened in just a matter of moments.
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: So yes, she sees this car in field, never went
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: into work that day. He was waiting nearby to be
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: able to come to the house and catch this man
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: in the act, right, And so this all happens in
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: just a matter of moments, and all in that master bedroom.
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: So Christine is already under what she believes to be
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: an attack, while Joseph Ryan believes he's acting out a
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: rape roleplay in a consensual manner and her fighting him
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: is all part of this roleplay situation, so Ryan is
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: literally on top of Christine when Banfield and Julianna bust
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: into the master bedroom and she cries out for help.
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: She's looking to her husband and this nanny Paul nine
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: one one. He has a knife and Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan,
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: who believes her husband just walked in on this affair.
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: And then Christine thinks she's been saved. She thinks, by submiracle,
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: her husband came home and saved her from this attacker,
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: and then he climbs on top of her Brendan Banfield
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: and stabs her at death moments after she thought he
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: had just saved her life.
• 32:08
  Speaker 14: Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
• 32:11
  Speaker 14: old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moggalies. They leave their
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Maggiales
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: the old pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: calls her employer Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: is at the house in minutes and they enter the
• 32:38
  Speaker 14: house together. The al pair takes the four year old
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
• 32:43
  Speaker 14: the master suite.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: What am I earie? How did an innocent day at
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the National Zoo with a Brazilian a pair end up
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: with a double homicide?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Why does she have to have a mouthful of red
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: lipstick to take care of a baby?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the moms to have just sent her straight back
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to her room to wipe that mouth off.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What is that that said?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: That's the first red flag when the nanny the au
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: pair is taking cleavage shots in the bathroom and wearing
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: a skimpy lingerie at home. As a matter of fact,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: let's take a look at the lingerie. Paul Batista, this
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was found not just in her room, but it's in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the master bedroom.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: She has moved all of.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Her bustiers, her corsets, her thongs aka anal floss into
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: his bedroom.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Uh what do you?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear you explain that a way.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Have you looked at this picture. No, I have no
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So are you are you married?
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: Yes? Nancy?
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I am okay, So she's still there.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: What if the maid, the babysitter, the girl Friday, moved
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: all of her anal flows into your closet?
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: What do you think your wife would say? I should
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: not just go hand in the gun right now.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: Look, there is no issue here. Brendan was having an
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: affair with the O pair, no issue about that. Are
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: these normal people? Probably not. And it is not normal
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: for the pair to then move into the same bedroom
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: where the husband's wife has been murdered. That's not normal.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: But that is not an indication of the guilt of
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: mister Benfield.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Do you just ever get exhausted with making these claims
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: just because they're having an affair at No, that's not
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: evidence of guilt. But as you know, evidence from before, during,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and after the incident may be brought in front of
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the jury. The sheets were still warm where Mommy had
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: been sleeping when the hot nanny moves her anal floss
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: into Mommy's closet and props up a picture of the
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: nanny with.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Her husband beside the bed.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, just imagine all that scintillating talk they had that
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: pillow talk about his irs investigations.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: No offense irs.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: That said to me, that's evidence. After the fact, they
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: had no remorse. They couldn't wait. And the baby girl,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: this is happening down the hallway from her nursery.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Oh there's a babysitter going to sleep with daddy. Okay,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: she's gonna remember that. Okay. I wanna get back to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the facts.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: To GJ McKelvey joining us Star of Pretty Liza and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: alibis what exactly were the injuries.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: To the Bodiesjoseph Ryan was shot in the head and
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: the chest because the last shot actually came from Juliana
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: when they realized Joe Ryan was still making noises. So
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: she had a gun in her possession that was given
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: by Brendan and she fired the fatal shot to Joe Ryan.
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: For Christine, she had mostly stab injuries to her neck,
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: some of them went as deep as two and a
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: half inches and caused a defect at the base of
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: her skull. So very violent injuries and rapidly fatal for both,
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: I need.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: A translation in medical jargon, and joining me to do
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that is a renowned medical examiner, the chief medical exammer
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Terren County. That's Fort Worth, star of a hit podcast,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Mayhem and the Morgue, and he is the esteemed lecturer
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What did she just say?
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: So, basically, a knife was shoved into the neck. Knife
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: shoved into the neck at such an angle that it
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: struck the base of the skull. And with that that
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: striking the base of the skull, the force of that
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: can cause cracking the bone, et cetera, depending on how
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: hard it is. When you do that, you're hitting all
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: the vasculature and musculature in this area. It's the crowded
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: the jugular vein. You're going to get massive hemorrhaging from
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: that kind of spurting out all over the place. So
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: stab wounds to the neck usually are very vascular, very hemorrhagic,
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: and depending on how they're angled, if they come more
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: to midline, they can also involve your trichea or your
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: windpipe where the air comes through. And then you're basically
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: now breathing through that new hole in your windpipe and
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: the blood is flooding in there, so you're gagging on
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: be stabbed.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: In the neck.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Gigi.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You stated that the stab wound was so violent it
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: did it do something to the back of her neck.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: This is reminding me of Nicole Brown Simpson who was
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: sliced so violently across her neck that she.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Was practically decapitated.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Her head held onto her body through a thin slice
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of flesh in the back.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's all that held her head onto her body.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: What did you say about the wound to Christine?
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: It went deep enough that it caused a defect at
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: the very base of her skull or a little notch
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: where that knife struck bone, and that was visible during autopsy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: So a lot of force used when he was stabbing
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: her in the neck, at least with that stab wound
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: that was one of the ones that was two and
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: a half inches deep.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's what does that mean that there is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: actually a nick on her on the bone, her neck
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: bone all the way back here.
• 39:01
  Speaker 13: So it means that the knife was driven in quite deeply,
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: probably almost all the way up to the hilt of
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: the knife, and that striking the base of the bone
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: and breaking it means there's a lot of force being
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: put into it as they're stabbing the individual in the neck.
• 39:17
  Speaker 13: So it's a forceful stab wound, fracturing the base of
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: the skull and what you were talking about earlier, or
• 39:24
  Speaker 13: fracturing the cervical bone and what you were talking about earlier.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily,
• 39:33
  Speaker 13: cutting through the bone and soft tissue. The neck isn't
• 39:38
  Speaker 13: all that structurally hard, so you can take someone's head
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: off stabbing through their neck.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: This young mom did not want to leave her daughter,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: her four year old little girl.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: She wanted to live.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: To hay with the sex affair. She wanted to live
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to see her daughter grow up. As a matter of fact,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: with all of these wounds, she was still alive. Did
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: you hear the n one one call where the nanny
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: and the husband saying she's still alive?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Listen?
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: to one call from within the home. In an upstairs bedroom.
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: This is so crazy. So the amir comes back, she
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: finds this scene. Where did Hoby come from?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: The wife, the mother of a then four year old
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: little girl, multiple stab news she suffered.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: In case of a lot of twists and turns very
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: confusing and complicated.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: City Sumner joining US Crimes Forwards investigative reporter. We are
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: learning through the hot that the two had been target
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: practicing just before the killings.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: What do we know, Well, we.
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: Know that Danfield purchased an extra gun on January twenty third,
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: so just a month before the murders. And yeah, they
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: actually went to a shooting range to practice shooting so
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: that when Joseph Ryan was in the house attacking Christine,
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: they could come in and save the day.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And what about buying new phones as well?
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: So they believed for some reason that buying a new
• 41:35
  Speaker 10: phone just before the murders would prevent investigators from binding
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: their previous communications. Wasn't the most well thought out plan.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And then also apparently the nanny's mother injects herself into
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: this scenario and Sidney Sumner police described in some of
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the documents the nanny my lease as the husband's quote
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: live in lover. Does that mean the affair was happening
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: right under Christine's nose?
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, it was going on for months without Christine Banfield
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: having any idea that her husband was sleeping with their nanny.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: To Gg McKelvey joining us to our pretty lies and alibis,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I understand that Margalie, the so called hot nanny, has
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: been whining from behind bars.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Quote, I'm tired of this wa what She's tired of
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: being in jail? Christina is dead.
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: Yes, she's tired of being in jail. She said she
• 42:37
  Speaker 9: was sad and depressed and she has trauma. You know,
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: a lot of poor meat. Uh and as we saw
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: on the stand, zero remorse. So I wouldn't expect her
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: describing jail life to be anything but you know all
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: about her.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: So she she went on some antidepressants, didn't like the
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: way they make her made her feel, and so she
• 42:56
  Speaker 9: went off of them. And we heard all of this
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: when she was on the stand. It was all poor me,
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: no remorse shown for Joe Ryan or Christine Banfield.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Paul Batista defense attorney and a novelist.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: This is direct quote from the nanny aka co defendant
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and a murder case, a double murder case.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Quote. I'm unhappy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Way nothing makes me happy, Mommy, I'm miserable.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I just want to get out of here and come
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: back home and be with you guys. I'm tired of
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: this place, eh, Paul, Really perfect time of jail. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: wonder Christine is tired of that casket she's in.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: Of course, she's unhappy she's in jail. She's writing, She's
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: still writing love letters to Banfield. She doesn't know what
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: she's doing. She is a perfect candidate for the creation
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: She will not go to jail any longer. She'll leave
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: the country and she's home free. She's a perfect.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, I need a shrink.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Everything he is saying right there, anyway is valid.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: The jury may not believe her.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Because she's getting a sweetheart deal to rat him out.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But that said, I think the evidence is going to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: be so strong. It's going to support what she's saying,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: whether they believe her credibility or not.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Doctor Delatory, Delatory.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Why is she whining about being in jail? Christine and
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Ryan are dead. He's shot in the chest and the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: head remember on the nine on one they said he's
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: making noises, he's like gurgling, trying to live.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Why is she whining about jail?
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: Well, I think we have to remember is that in
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: their mind they think that once all of this unfolds,
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: are going to live a happy life with this four
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: year old. But when reality is set and the realities
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: of being in custody, being detained, that messes with your head,
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: that gets under your skin. You don't realize how small
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: the walls are until you're actually put in them. So
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: whatever it was that they thought that they were going
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: to be doing as a couple post this murder, she
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: didn't realize the reality of you're not going to get
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: away with this, and so now she's put in a
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: place where the reality is setting in and she did
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: not think that all of this was actually going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: be unfolding for someone like her.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Doctor delatory, do you hear yourself?
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Do I need to do a playback, an instant playback,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: because you just said, you know, you don't realize how
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: small the selle is. I bet that's a lot bigger
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: than that casket Christine's in.
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And it's not like Juliana cares.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: She is apparently writing love letters. Is it true? She
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: says that the irs agent husband, Christine's husband told her
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: he wanted to marry her and have children.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: And not only was she sending messages to Brendan, she
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: was also sending messages to Brendan's mother, who was putting
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: money on her commissary and funding her defense up until
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: she flipped on Brendan. But yeah, she would say that
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: she would take the blame for both of them. She
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: loved him more than anything. It was a lot of
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: back and forth with this lovey dovey stuff.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Until it was all new to me Gg.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: So her future mother in law is sending her money
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: to the commissary as long as she says, I'll take
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: all the blame and I will clear him.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But as soon as she flips.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: No more Dorito's, no more nacho chips, no more candy bars,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: no more special soaps and relations from the commissary, it's over.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: They were funding her and making her life as cushy
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: as they could while she was in jail because she
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: wasn't talking, But that all changed when she started talking
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: to the Commonwealth and made that deal.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, it's not too late. I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: please dial seven zero three two four six seven eight
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: hundred repeat seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: You know who we haven't heard about. The little girl,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: The four year old little girl whose mother was stabbed dead.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And now she knows the nanny moved right down the
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: hall and hopped in the bed with daddy.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: That's the legacy.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,