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Scheana Shay, Denise Richard’s Ex Responds and Amy Bradley is Missing · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a great interview with Sheena Shea.
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  Speaker 3: I have read the book. We had a great conversation.
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  Speaker 3: that Her husband cheated on her a couple of years prior.
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  Speaker 3: got to talk about some of the hottest topics that
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  Speaker 3: have come out since the last Juicy Scoop. Well, of course,
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  Speaker 3: we all saw the viral video of the Coldplay concert
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  Speaker 3: where the CEO of a billion-dollar company called Astronomer was
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  Speaker 3: seen wrapping his arms just under his employees' tits, who
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  Speaker 3: was— they were both similar age, probably like late 40s. She
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  Speaker 3: is the HR executive at this company called Astronomer. And
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  Speaker 3: the cam got them, and they see— themselves on it
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  Speaker 3: and they immediately break apart, shut down. And Chris Martin
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  Speaker 3: is like, either, you know, you're having an affair or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So the whole thing went viral. You know what I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about. So the first thing I thought was, wow, God,
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  Speaker 3: they really look happy. They really look like a couple
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  Speaker 3: that is into each other. And sadly, there will be
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  Speaker 3: times when I've been married for so long that I
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  Speaker 3: would see a couple my age like way too into
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  Speaker 3: each other. And I would run to a fellow mom
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  Speaker 3: at the school and say, please tell me that she
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  Speaker 3: is divorced and that's her boyfriend. Because if this is
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  Speaker 3: her husband of 20 years and they're that handsy into
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  Speaker 3: each other, I'm going to be depressed. Well, of course,
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  Speaker 3: it's an affair. Now, what's really juicy is that she
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  Speaker 3: was married with kids. It's her second marriage. Okay, so
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  Speaker 3: she's already got two guys to get on their knee
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  Speaker 3: and say, marry me. The second one comes from an
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  Speaker 3: extremely wealthy family for like the last couple hundred years. They're, well,
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  Speaker 3: they're just the family she married to, is married to,
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  Speaker 3: is worth like a billion dollars. Yet she still has
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  Speaker 3: this executive job at the HR company. So many people think,
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  Speaker 3: was she already having an affair with this guy and
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  Speaker 3: he hired her as the HR exec So that they
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  Speaker 3: could see each other and, you know, have fun. While
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  Speaker 3: he stayed married, his wife has a Facebook account. Right
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  Speaker 3: when this came out, she removed her married name and
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  Speaker 3: changed it to her maiden name. According to the Facebook photos,
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  Speaker 3: you know, page six has picked them up. They've covered
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  Speaker 3: the two kids' faces. They look like they're, you know,
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  Speaker 3: college age kids. So they've been married a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And there was a false report of the guy who
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  Speaker 3: got caught for cheating right away making a statement saying
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  Speaker 3: that he feels that his privacy has been violated by
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  Speaker 3: the Coldplay cameraman and that he doesn't want to be
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  Speaker 3: seen like this, but he also feels violated. That story
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  Speaker 3: went viral. However, that was fake. So, you know, there
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of fake news out there. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people that can put out a story on
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  Speaker 3: social media that make it look like it's a legit
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  Speaker 3: story that they're just recapping or whatever. So it's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: several people did it. I did not though, because I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't recording that day. But however, he has stepped down.
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  Speaker 3: There is a new CEO who says, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: be bigger and better. You know, we're going to get
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  Speaker 3: past this. Of course, she's no longer working there. But
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  Speaker 3: all I could think about is, This cheating woman, married twice,
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  Speaker 3: has it so good. She's got this cushy job. She
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  Speaker 3: gets to F her boss, who's also like pretty cute,
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  Speaker 3: go to Coldplay concerts. She has an ex-husband and a
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  Speaker 3: better second husband who comes from a super rich family.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what, again, the Venus flytrap vagina. I want
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  Speaker 3: to know what your secret is. How do you get
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  Speaker 3: these dudes? You look kind of average, which is great.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the vag is that good. Maybe the brain is
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  Speaker 3: that enticing. I don't know. I'm always, I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 3: always just really fascinated about these type of people. The
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  Speaker 3: other people I feel sorry for are the people that
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  Speaker 3: were working with these cheating losers who were like, what
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  Speaker 3: if they did have a problem with maybe somebody else
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  Speaker 3: harassing them or any problem at the company? You think
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  Speaker 3: you want to go to the CEO's mistress who's head
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  Speaker 3: of HR and be like, um, hi, I really want
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  Speaker 3: to talk. Like, you think she's going to be protecting you? No. Well,
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  Speaker 3: she's like boning the CEO. She's going to be like,
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  Speaker 3: we got to get rid of Jennifer. She's really not happy.
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  Speaker 3: And like, So that's what's a bummer. Because I know
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  Speaker 3: there's some really great HR people in this world, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a valid career. But this just goes
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  Speaker 3: to show you, like, you can't trust anybody in the
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  Speaker 3: corporate world. And then the other girl that was there
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  Speaker 3: who clearly, like, worked with them, and she's smiling when
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  Speaker 3: they get caught. And you could tell there's probably, like,
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  Speaker 3: this moment of relief. Like, I've been keeping this gross
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  Speaker 3: secret of these two entitled– assholes for, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: year and I have to act like I'm excited just
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  Speaker 3: because they're giving me a free Coldplay ticket. And the arrogance,
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  Speaker 3: like you're having an affair and you're going to a
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  Speaker 3: big public concert, not just if you're on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: How is it that you didn't think you'd run into
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  Speaker 3: like another mom, like getting a drink or that someone
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  Speaker 3: that you know wouldn't be seated next to you? It's just,
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  Speaker 3: that is why the story is fascinating. Also, everyone loves
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  Speaker 3: a cheating story. They love it. They even said that
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  Speaker 3: Pornhub views of cheating like porn and people having affairs
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  Speaker 3: skyrocketed over the weekends. People are like, this is some
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  Speaker 3: hot shit. It is personally my favorite genre of film
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  Speaker 3: and television is infidelity and affairs between– middle class to
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  Speaker 3: upper wealthy people. That's what I like to watch. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I love. Unfaithful, fatal attraction, anything where someone has
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  Speaker 3: a great, perfect life and a pretty good wife and
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  Speaker 3: they just throw it all away because some new chick
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  Speaker 3: gives you a little of attention or vice versa. So
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  Speaker 3: story's going to probably die now this week.
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  Speaker 3: So that happened. Also, let's talk about Denise Richards. So
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  Speaker 3: Denise Richards. husband, as I reported, filed for divorce last
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  Speaker 3: week and said the date of separation was July 4th
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  Speaker 3: and that he has no income and that she makes $ 250, 000
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  Speaker 3: a month doing OnlyFans and television and brand deals. And therefore...
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  Speaker 3: He needs half of that a month to survive because
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  Speaker 3: he needs to live in the lifestyle that she's made
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  Speaker 3: accustomed to living to in these last six years. He
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  Speaker 3: said he has no income. We saw on Real Housewives
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  Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills that he's some weird energy healer or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: If you remember the show, he also sat at a
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  Speaker 3: very awkward dinner with everybody talking about how cars are
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  Speaker 3: following them and that with your mind you can cure
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  Speaker 3: cancer and all this crazy stuff. That the only one
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  Speaker 3: that was agreeing to it was Mauricio, who was probably
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  Speaker 3: very high since he likes to, you know, enjoy some
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  Speaker 3: gummies or whatever. So there was that. There was also
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  Speaker 3: the scene that's gone viral, which... Denise and Aaron, her husband,
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  Speaker 3: are at a garden dinner party of Kyle's and something
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  Speaker 3: goes awry and she feels they need to leave. And
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  Speaker 3: he's pissed and he's very aggressive with the women. There
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  Speaker 3: was another scene where he was giving it to Teddy
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  Speaker 3: and Erica and they were like, stop mansplaining. And he
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  Speaker 3: was just very aggressive, very uncomfortable, very entitled. And she says, Denise,
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  Speaker 3: please stop. Like we're being filmed. And he's like, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't shut up or something like that, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to crush your hand. So after Aaron filed for divorce,
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  Speaker 3: asking for spousal support and all these things, asking for
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  Speaker 3: his tools, his only personal possessions are his tools and his, um,
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  Speaker 3: car or something, but he wants, you know, big payments
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  Speaker 3: every month from her as she's taking the photos of
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  Speaker 3: her and OnlyFans. She then filed and received a temporary
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  Speaker 3: restraining order against him. And in that restraining order, which
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  Speaker 3: is very hard to put together to fill out and
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  Speaker 3: be granted, you have to have a lot of evidence.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hard for someone who doesn't have an attorney
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  Speaker 3: to fill it all out. That's why it's a scary
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  Speaker 3: moment if you truly are someone without means who needs
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  Speaker 3: to get a temporary restraining order from someone you know,
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  Speaker 3: like a domestic situation. And she provides red carpet video
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  Speaker 3: photos of where she clearly has bruises on her arms
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  Speaker 3: that she didn't that she didn't cover up. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if she included anything from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 3: She probably forgot that hot mic moment of where he said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to crush your hand. In it, she said
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  Speaker 3: he would choke her, oftentimes push her head against a wall,
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  Speaker 3: that he hit her, that he squeezed her shoulders and
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  Speaker 3: her arms and her hands. And she also provided a
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  Speaker 3: very disturbing photo of her with one very bad black eye.
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  Speaker 3: in which she said she was going to his office
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  Speaker 3: at the time. I don't know if he still has
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  Speaker 3: his office or not. But she was going to his
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  Speaker 3: office at the time. And that is where he got
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  Speaker 3: all paranoid. He thought there were bugs or whatever, recording
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  Speaker 3: devices in potted plants. And when she tried to calm
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  Speaker 3: him down, they got in an argument. Police came because
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  Speaker 3: they were so loud. The police left. And that after
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  Speaker 3: that is when he hit her and she received that
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  Speaker 3: black eye, which was a photo, I think, from 2022.
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  Speaker 6: He now.
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  Speaker 3: After that came out and she received her temporary restraining
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  Speaker 3: order from him, she also said he has numerous unregistered firearms,
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  Speaker 3: so that made her nervous. More coming back from Real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives of Beverly Hills, as we remember the famous storyline
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  Speaker 3: of which Brandi Glanville said she went to visit Denise
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  Speaker 3: on set while she was doing a Hallmark movie in Canada,
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  Speaker 3: and they were scissor sisters for the night, okay? They
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  Speaker 3: had some fun, a little lesbian love, Brandy has always
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  Speaker 3: said she's bisexual. She has gone on my show and
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  Speaker 3: said that she's had full relationships with women. She reveals
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  Speaker 3: all that. But she says to the girls on camera,
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  Speaker 3: Denise says, Aaron cannot know. He will kill me. And
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  Speaker 3: Brandy felt very caught off guard by that because she
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  Speaker 3: thought they had like an open marriage or that he
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  Speaker 3: knew that she was kind of like bi or bi
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  Speaker 3: on occasion or whatever. And that was not the case,
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  Speaker 3: according to Brandy Glanville. So now Erin went on TMZ
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  Speaker 3: and is saying, none of this is true. I've never
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  Speaker 3: been abusive. I've only been protective of her. She was cheating.
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  Speaker 3: And I found out because one day we were about
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  Speaker 3: to watch TV and she got up to get something
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  Speaker 3: to eat or something. And I looked at her phone
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  Speaker 3: and since I have all of her passcodes and passwords,
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  Speaker 3: I looked at the phone and I saw that she
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  Speaker 3: was talking to a guy very inappropriately. I'm like, Are
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  Speaker 3: we sure it's not her OnlyFans people that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: pay $ 10 for her to like talk to her to them?
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  Speaker 3: I kid. Obviously, I don't believe anything he says, but
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  Speaker 3: possibly did he see that she was talking to somebody? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because you're a fucking nightmare to live with because you're
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  Speaker 3: scary as shit because you're controlling. Who knows? Maybe she did.
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  Speaker 3: So he said she begged for him not to leave
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  Speaker 3: her and he tried to stay longer and make it work,
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  Speaker 3: but that she was cheating. So we're supposed to have
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  Speaker 3: sympathy for him because she was talking to guys that
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  Speaker 3: weren't her husband on the phone. He also said the
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  Speaker 3: black eye is caused from her drinking problem, that she
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  Speaker 3: has a Vicodin and drinking problem. And then when she
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  Speaker 3: was going to visit him one day at his office,
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  Speaker 3: she slipped and fell on the stair going up there
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  Speaker 3: and like the handrail hit her in the eye and
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  Speaker 3: that his brother can or somebody can contest to it.
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  Speaker 3: We know from the show that for some reason with
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  Speaker 3: her generosity, his elderly parents are living in the home
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  Speaker 3: that we saw them have on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 3: In her show on E! with him and her two daughters,
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  Speaker 3: they live in another unit. The parents live there. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she's doing all these things. She also adopted
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  Speaker 3: a daughter. She has two daughters with Charlie Sheen who
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  Speaker 3: are now like 18 and 23. She has a daughter
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  Speaker 3: who's like about 10 that she adopted as a single woman, Eloise,
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  Speaker 3: who has disabilities. Erin never adopted that child. And now Erin,
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  Speaker 3: her soon-to-be ex-husband, is saying that she was such an
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  Speaker 3: addict that she was violent towards that little girl that
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  Speaker 3: has disabilities. I mean, this guy, I don't, this is
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  Speaker 3: my opinion. You're a piece of shit. You're a liar.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe you, okay? That's my opinion. But it's juicy,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why we're talking about it, because we know
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  Speaker 3: these players and because we watched it on Real Housewives
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  Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills play out, their relationships. And also when
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  Speaker 3: I first announced that they were getting divorced because he filed,
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'm not surprised. And people thought maybe this
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  Speaker 3: was all an act because he was being sued for
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  Speaker 3: not a lot, like $ 75, 000 or something. Maybe he's doing
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  Speaker 3: this to protect her assets. I said, no, I don't
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  Speaker 3: believe it. Nobody's going to ask for these things and
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  Speaker 3: all that. So I was right about that. This is
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  Speaker 3: a real divorce. This is really happening and it's really
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  Speaker 3: getting ugly. She accusing him of, physical abuse, he accusing
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  Speaker 3: her of cheating, child abuse, the worst thing you could
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  Speaker 3: accuse someone of, due to addictions. And he also wrote
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  Speaker 3: a letter to her family begging for an intervention because
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  Speaker 3: she's been so abusive to their daughter, the daughter that
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  Speaker 3: she adopted as a single woman that he has never
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  Speaker 3: legally adopted. He also said, my parents are living in
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  Speaker 3: a house, I guess, that she put them in, that
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  Speaker 3: has a lot of maintenance issues and they're in their
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  Speaker 3: 80s and they're doing it out of the goodness of
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  Speaker 3: their heart to care to help care for Eloise the
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  Speaker 3: handicapped daughter and all of her animals why is it
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  Speaker 3: her responsibility to take care of your elderly parents and
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  Speaker 3: if you don't like the house in Malibu get the
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  Speaker 3: f out okay and if no one's buying your healing
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  Speaker 3: practices like This guy, I am enraged. And that's my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: So I hope that this gets cleared up. I hope
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  Speaker 3: that people protect Denise at all costs. And maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: good that it all came out. She can be free.
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  Speaker 3: She can get rid of him. And wow, what a dick. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: now I've got to talk about the show that everybody
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  Speaker 3: is talking about, which is Amy Bradley is Missing. And
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  Speaker 3: it's on Netflix. It came out this weekend. It's a
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  Speaker 3: three-part documentary. And it is like the number one rated
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: show on Netflix right now. And everybody's talking about it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: So I watched it. Now, I'm going to give my opinion.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: If you haven't seen, you want to skip a couple minutes, fine.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think it really matters. I just want to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: say a couple things, and maybe I'll get more into
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: it on Thursday's show as well. This is about a
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: girl who was 23, college graduate, played basketball in high school, athletic,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: though not extremely tall, but athletic. went on a cruise
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: in 1998, going out of Puerto Vallarta for like a
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: week to like Aruba and everything with her mom, dad,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: and 21-year-old brother. And the dad, they looked to have
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: some money, but they decided they would take their 21
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and 23-year-old kids, not give them their own room. They'd
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: all share one very average room with a small balcony.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And the kids, I guess, the brother and sister were
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: going to sleep in the pull-out couch, or maybe there
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: were two double beds. I don't know. But that's where
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: they were staying. And after a day of drinking, she
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and the brother came back from the disco about 20
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: minutes apart, one at 3.30, her at like 3.45. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: they know that because of the card sliding into the door.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: And she and he smoked cigarettes on the balcony. The
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: brother went back into the room to fall asleep around 3.50.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And the dad woke up at 5.30, saw that she
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: had stayed outside because she said, I want to stay
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: outside on this lounge chair. And then at 6, he
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: woke up again, 6 a.m., and she was no longer
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: on the balcony. But her Birkenstock shoes were left there.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And he never heard her leave or anything, looked for her,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: couldn't find her. They never found her. And the mystery
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: goes on for 30 years. And there are several theories
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: based on people who said they saw her in these
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: different islands in the area, which are that she had
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: something to do with this guy who was a local musician,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: not local, but a musician on the cruise ship, that
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: he may have taken her and trafficked her. And she's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: been trafficked for the last 30 years and has never
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: called her home or anything. And maybe that's because she
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: has given birth and that she's so under the spell
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of these pimps that she met on the cruise ship,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: that after being there for two days, that she could
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: never call her... Oh, the other thing is she was
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: an out lesbian. That part's very interesting because it was
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: 1998 and she came out to her parents and the
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: dad was not happy with it and he wrote her
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: girlfriend a three-page letter saying that he was so disappointed
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: in her. Like, what? Someone else's child you're writing her to?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So they didn't accept her sexuality and... to me, I'm sorry,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: this is juicy scoop, but I'm going to be honest.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I think she looked like she was someone that could
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: have a girlfriend. I think she had short hair. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: think she kind of seemed to carry herself in a
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: way that you would not be surprised to hear that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: But the parents weren't having it. And so I will
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: talk more about it and I want you to tell
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: me what you think and why you think, but A
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: lot of the comments of people talking about this are
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that they don't totally believe that she was trafficked and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: has like Stockholm syndrome living in Barbados. I just don't
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: believe it. I don't believe that people that work on
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: cruise ships would sacrifice a career as a musician on
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: a cruise ship who's like a native of that area
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: going oh guys I found a good one um she's
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: 23 she's a college graduate she also plays basketball she's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: staying on the cruise ship not with a bunch of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: other drunk girls but her mom and dad and brother
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: okay I think we found our golden girl everybody that
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: we're gonna make so much money off of let's lure
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: her off the boat somehow and puts up enough drugs
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: in her that she can be under our spell for
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: 30 years while we traffic her in the islands of
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the Barbados world. There's all these, you know, eyewitnesses and things.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I think they're thirsty. I think people love to be
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: part of trying to solve a juicy crime. But most importantly,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: this is a documentary. And documentaries get greenlit and do
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: well because it gets people talking. If you're a documentarian,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: you are going to edit it and create it in
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a way that in the beginning you think one thing,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: in the middle you think another, and by the end
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: you're just confused. And that does this, and that's why
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: it is really well done and is really juicy. However,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it is my opinion, unfortunately, that... And I did a
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: TikTok on it right after I finished watching it. I
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: think that she wasn't that happy with her life for
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: a number of reasons, that she was also drinking all day,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: probably had more alcohol than her seven beers that was
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: on her tab, might have been on some drugs. Seeing
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that water on a cruise ship, I've been on a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: cruise ship. It's very alluring. And there's where you're like
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: thinking about it. And if you're not in the right
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: state of mind, I think that she went for it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: And I think it happened between 530 and 6 a.m.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I think the parents would have heard her walk through
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the tiny room and leave and have that door shut.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the parents don't want to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: accept it. I think they would rather think that she
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: was out being a victim of somebody than that. she
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: chose to leave them on this earth without her. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: think that's my opinion. Also, I've been on cruise ships
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: and I, I remember I got the wristband to get
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: all the drinks. Peter didn't. We'd like to save a
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: buck back in the day. And it all worked out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I'm doing fine now. I wouldn't have to do this then, now,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: but I did it then. So that's the type of thing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: You're trying to get drinks. I would go and get
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a drink and then hand it to Peter and then
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I'd run down to another bar so that I could
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: get another drink. And I didn't want people to think
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that I was doing that. I was doing that. We
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: didn't pay for internet one year when we were on
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the Caribbean cruise and I lost my son several times.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It was a very stressful trip because we didn't want
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to pay for the extra internet. Those are the kind
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of people that go on these cruises, okay? And then
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the staff is there and they just want to make
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: their money and send it home to their family. They're
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: not looking to do a pimp business on the side.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And that is what I think. And then just yesterday,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: the brother, Brad Bradley, what a name, He tweeted or
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: went on X and said that there were some things
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: that were not included in the documentary. One, that she
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: was dating a man before she went on this cruise,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: which we see the girlfriend that she has. She has
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: a lovely letter from her apologizing and saying that she
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: feels stranded and she loves her that she received like
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: a month before she went missing, which also leads me
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: to believe that she really wasn't as settled in her
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: life as we'd like to believe and therefore could have
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: taken her life into her own hands. Now, the brother says, oh,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I forgot to tell, one thing I've always wanted investigated
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: is before the pool party, the day that she went missing,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: she was talking to two black women on the pool
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: deck that were wearing uniforms, but they weren't Royal Caribbean uniforms.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I realized later that they're Sea Org uniforms. from Scientology.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: And so he thinks that one of the other possibilities
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is that maybe she wasn't trafficked, maybe she was kidnapped
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: or lured into Scientology for the last 30 years. I disagree.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. That's not how Scientology works. They want to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: get people in there that'll stay in for years, that
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: will recruit other people, that will buy years and years
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: of materials and use their credit cards. And it's not, oh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: let's just find this one girl who, again, is on
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: a cruise with family. These are not the people that
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: get taken into cults or traffic. An established person with family,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: family around, they are not an easy target. That's not who,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, get taken. So when you think about
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: all that, tell me what you think. But it's on Netflix.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: It's available now. So go watch that. All right, you guys,
• 27:37
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• 27:39
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• 27:43
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• 27:45
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• 27:48
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• 27:50
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• 27:57
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• 28:00
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• 28:03
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• 28:06
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• 28:09
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• 28:13
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• 28:17
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• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And now for Sheena Shea. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I have the woman everybody is talking about. I'm confident
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: New York Times bestselling author will be also on her
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: list of singer, mother, star of Vanderpump Rules, uh, the
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: mass singer, possibly dancing with a star winner at one point,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Sheena Shea, welcome back to juicy scoop friend. How are you? Good.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Always good to see you.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I know you're so busy. So we are doing this,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: you know, so it's on the zoom, which is fine
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: because sometimes I like it better because, uh, Other times
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: people say I interrupt people in this way. I can't
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: on zoom because I have so much to talk about. Um,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the book is great. First of all, I'm going to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: tell you how good the book is. It's so good.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm not blowing steam up your ass. So I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: sure the haters will say that, but there's one, what
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: I love about it is it kind of reads like
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: what I used to be studying Shakespeare, Shakespearean plays, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'd read cliff notes and, Because that is what Vanderpump
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Rules is. It's so much of like, and what we
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: didn't know is that these two people were talking and
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I ran around the corner and said this. And if
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you've ever studied Shakespeare, that really, he was like writing
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: reality TV.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So you're comparing me to Shakespeare?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I'm comparing reality TV to Shakespeare, but you, the way
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: you describe what was going on in your life, but
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: also in the show, which was, you know, he wrote
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: plays is like, it's why I'm always been fascinated by
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: reality TV and why I've studied it and covered it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: But how did you enjoy the process of writing the book?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a loaded question. It was a lot, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: it was, cathartic for sure. It was great to put
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: it all out there and to just literally put it
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in the book. But collaborating with someone, I touch on
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that a bit in the book. There was a leak.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It was a process that didn't go extremely smooth and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: it was very challenging. So going through this, I now
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: know if I do ever write another book, what I
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: would do differently, what I would maybe do the same.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But for my first book, for a memoir, I didn't
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: know what I was doing. I may be a natural
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: storyteller and have a journalism degree. However, I don't know
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: how to structure a book. I don't know what people
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: will want to hear, what people won't want to hear.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I could go on about my childhood for chapters, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: how do we make it a little more concise? So
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: The whole process, it was definitely a learning experience. Some
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: great cathartic times, but also a lot of tears, full-on
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: panic attacks, and wanting to just quit after I had
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a book deal in place.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, first of all, I guess you're saying,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure you... I've read all the criticism.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've done some interviews that reveal some of
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the juicier parts of the book. And I'm seeing people...
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So the most juicy part of the book is that
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: you reveal that Brock, your now husband, father of Summer Moon,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that after you had gotten married, which you got married
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: after Summer was born, when she was about two, during
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: the Scandival thing, Brock came to you because he... Now,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: this is where I get a little confused. So he
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: saw something on a blind or a Reddit that someone
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: was saying that he had had an affair and therefore
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: he wanted to tell you before it came to fruition?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Not exactly. So there were several blind items about him
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and Raquel that were complete bullshit, but I still had
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to question it. I still, in my brain was like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, If Tom and Raquel did this, could Brock
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: and Raquel have done it?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Like, no, no way.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: So those, it was annoying, but that was fine. Then
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: there was another blind item that came out about a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: girl supposedly who he dated before me in San Diego.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: said she helped him pack his bags for the Australia
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: trip where we made it official. He said that that
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was also bullshit. But then part of me was like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: there's probably some truth to this. Maybe it wasn't that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: she packed his bags for Australia, but they probably were
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: talking before me. I do know he was seeing someone
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: before me and he cut that off and we made
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it official in Bali. And as far as I knew,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: he was always faithful after that. So... With that blind item,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I think he was like, okay, the Raquel thing was
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: completely bullshit. Like, yeah, there was someone I dated before,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: but also knowing what he had done. What if that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the next blind item that comes out? Because now either
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that woman feels like revealing it or she told a
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: friend or someone wants, you know, a few hundred bucks
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to sell a story. I don't even know how much
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: you get for those.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I think he just felt like if this is going
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to come out, Sheena deserves to hear it from me,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: not on some blind item on a blog site.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: And it never did come out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Well, then a couple of days after my book sold,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: there was a big blog site that had a blind
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: item saying I was writing a book. It just got
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: picked up. And there was going to be a chapter
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: where I revealed Brock had a physical and emotional affair.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: It was never emotional. So that was the part of
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the blind item that wasn't true. But this came out
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: two days after I sold my book. And it didn't
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: go anywhere else after that. It just kind of lived there.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: But knowing that it was out in the world, not
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: knowing if it was going to be screenshot, if it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was going to be posted somewhere else, it's behind a paywall.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: But maybe that is going to go somewhere else. Maybe
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to go to Reddit. I don't know. So then...
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I felt like Brock had to tell my mom, needed
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to tell my sister because I don't want my mom
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: finding out from a blind item. You know, I've kept
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: this for over a year secret, but now what do
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: we do? I had a rough outline of the chapter
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of if we put it in the book, here's what
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I would want to say. He read it and he
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: was just like, No, like this can't go in the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: book like this. And if you are going to put
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: it in the book, you need to give a hell
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: of a lot more detail, which I did. And he
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: didn't read it until it went to print. And then
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, wow, you really went all in.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you told me if I was going to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: put it in the book to add more detail. But
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: once there was a blind item and the more we
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: talked about it, we went back and forth for probably
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: about eight months. It's in the book. It's not in
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the book. The book sold without them knowing at all
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: what chapter 16 was. There was a very vague description
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of what this chapter could be. The book sold. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I felt like the book stood alone and was a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: good enough book without it. But the more I sat
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: with it, the more I thought about it, I'm like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: this is... completely inauthentic of me to put out a book,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a memoir where I'm telling people that I'm an open
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: book and I'm going to tell you everything about me
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: that you didn't know, but I'm going to leave out
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a chapter in the book, leave out a chapter of
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: my life and go from Scandival to this past December.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: It doesn't like, how do I talk about the last
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: year and a half now, two and a half years
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: of my life since I've known this. if I don't
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: put it in the book, it just, it wasn't, it
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a real memoir that I would
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: be genuinely proud of because I would feel like I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: did a disservice to myself and to everyone reading it,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: that it wasn't the whole story.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I totally understand that of, of what you're sharing and,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and why you decide to share something, especially at your
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: level of fame and the way the internet works. And, um,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I can relate a lot to that, to like revealing something. Now, So,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, as someone who knows you personally, was very
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: into the Santa ball, I follow a lot of people.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I can say I never saw that or heard about it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I never had someone DM it to me. So that's
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: kind of amazing, actually, that it didn't really get out
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: there that much.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I really am. But I just knew also, if I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: didn't put it in the book, For the rest of
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: my life, sure. Maybe I take it to my grave.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe we die with it and no one else ever
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: finds out. But I will always be thinking about it
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: in the back of my mind. I will always be
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: looking over my shoulder. I will be in every scene
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: moving forward of my reality TV career wondering, do they know?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Did they see that blind item? Are they going to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: say something about it? And then let's say it comes out.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: My book is inauthentic. Like why would Sheena hide it
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: on the show than hide it in her book? Like
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I wasn't willing to do that. I didn't even hide
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it from production season 11. I was processing it. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't ready to reveal what we were going through because
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I hadn't made a decision on if I was going
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: to stay or leave. I was going to fight as
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: hard as I could to see if I was strong
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: enough to stay because Of course, it's easier to walk away.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: You betrayed me. Done with you. Bye. Moving on. But
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it wasn't so cut and dry. I have a child
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to think about. We've lived this life together. I'm not
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: going to let a mistake you made two and a
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: half years ago define our future when you've proven what
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: an amazing husband you are. He is such an incredible
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: father to Summer. And I know that he has so
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: much regrets from his past. But that doesn't mean that
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve a second chance at being a dad.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: So.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: So just get the timeline straight for people that are
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: big Vanderpump people. So you're pregnant, unbeknownst to you, he
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: is going to the gym and meets a girl and
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they have an affair for a short period of time,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't a one-timer. That ends, you have summer,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you guys, you know, plan on getting married, you get engaged,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: all that. Scandival breaks, right? And during this cannibal time,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: you hear the stupid rumors about Raquel, but you don't
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: know anything that he actually had ever stepped out while
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you guys were a couple. So when he tells you,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: when you're about to watch Real Housewives of New Jersey,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: which I'm guessing, I don't know if you've ever been
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: able to watch it since, but maybe it's not coming back. No, no.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Not saying I want that. Not saying I want that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: So then you still have the final season that you
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: guys were all in together to film. So you have
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: this in you and we see you, you know, being
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: worried about Tom Sandoval having, um, you know, thoughts about
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: ending his life. You, you say that can't happen because
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: in the book you reveal a very sad experience that
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: you had with someone who did. And And that seems
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: all very real. And then, you know, it's coming to
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the end. And what's also really interesting about the book
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is you really go there in revealing what things you
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: were pushed to do because of producers or Lisa Vanderpump
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: And what just one particular thing that you and Lala
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and a couple of the other girls decided to make
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: a bigger deal out of to have like a better
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: fight happen, which was, were you going to share your
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: proposal or not that you guys were actually engaged while
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Raquel and James were celebrating their engagement party? So I
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: really appreciated that knowing how these shows work. knowing that
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: other shows like The Hills, we now know through my
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: good friend Spencer and Heidi, who are just the loveliest
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: couple ever, that, you know, they weren't assholes. They weren't,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you know, that that was very scripted, but yours really isn't.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And I talk about that a little bit in the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: book too, with Heidi and Spencer.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: That you like did like a small bit with them
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: and then she drives up, she's like, hey girl, hope
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: you know that's me. So that, all that stuff is,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: is why everyone should buy the book because there's so
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: many great other LA moments and things that were never
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: caught on camera. And you like, you know, your early
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: years in LA, which I find so fun and relatable.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: But so with that, you know, the criticism that you're
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: now getting from people who are never going to be
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: your fan, no matter what you write, you know, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: this is big news story is she, I could see
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: this being completely fake. She and Brock, I could see
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: her putting Summer to bed and going, Brock, I know
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: how we're going to sell this book. Get me secured
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: on the valley. Get me on Dancing with the Stars.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Get me all the parts because now I'll have sympathy
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: because I was cheated on. And of course, we know
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: that's not true. But how do you feel about people
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: thinking that you guys made this up to sell a book?
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Which when someone put that, I immediately wrote, no, it's
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: not true. There's no way. There's not a man on
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: this earth That would say, yeah, let's do this and
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: make me look fucking horrible. Like, there's no way.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I... Okay, so I've pretty much stayed out
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: of the comment section. So the fact that people are
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: saying I made it up. First of all, let's go
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: back to season eight when they brought in new cast
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: members and the show... what was being planned to split
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: into two, which now became the Valley. And I was
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: going to be a part of both shows. I was
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: a part of the Valley before it existed. Then, you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: pandemic season nine, the cancellations, all of that, everything gets pushed.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Now season 10 is picked up, which I'm offered a
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: day rate for the second time slap in the face.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I want to just go back to that part. Cause
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I just read that part in the book and which
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: is another reason why, you know, Even if you, people
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: are like, why wouldn't she have shared this on the show?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I am so proud of you that if you were
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: going to share it, that you were going to save
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: it for yourself. Whether it was going to be an
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: explosive podcast episode, if it was going to be a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: special on NBC, or if it was going to be
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: a book. I am so glad that you didn't give
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: another huge part of your life on a platter. Because
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: reading that scene in the book... that you're about to
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: go on Watch What Happens Live, and the producer calls you,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't even know that you're about to go on Watch
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: What Happens Live. This is how disrespectful, you don't even
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: know I'm doing your, to say, we need you to
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: come in for the meeting. And then you call Alex Baskin,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: five minutes before you're about to sit with Andy Cohen, scared.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And you're like, what is this meeting about? He's like,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it's not one that you're going to like. And then
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: they demote you and put you to the day rate,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: which I'm really glad you didn't quit because they did
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the same thing to Luann. And look at her. She
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: had like, you know, made the most money that season,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: did a juicy. But it's a huge ego crusher, especially
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: because we all know the show started because of you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: So like.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, a huge slap in the face to then
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: have it happen to me a second time. And so
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in the pandemic, pregnant, you know, there's talks of the valley.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: It is going to happen. I meet with producers. They,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you know, are wanting to shoot a pilot. They shoot
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a Zoom interview and all of this. And then I
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: find out for season 10, I'm only being offered a
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: day rate. And I'm like, you know what? Do we
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: just walk away? Do we just say, fuck it? Let's
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: try the valley. Let's go on that first season. And
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: do that. But then they weren't going to be filming
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: anytime soon. So I'm like, or we do one more season.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I collect my day rates. Maybe we get married on it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't. We'll figure that out. We're already married.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And then we'll talk about, you know, the Valley next year. Well,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: then we get picked up again. So I'm sorry. I'm
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: not going to take a season one new show income
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: over a season 11.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: And so I pop in on that season two. I
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: pop in on that because we still thought we had
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: a season 12. I was never choosing The Valley over
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Vanderpump Rules. Now Vanderpump Rules has gone its way and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: who knows what will happen season three. But for everyone
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: saying I'm so desperate to get on The Valley and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell a book and use my family
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and all of that, I just want to remind them
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that I've been a part of this show since before
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: it actually existed. And I would never sell my family
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: out to sell an actual book. I'm telling my truth
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: because it's my story and there's no way I could
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: put out a memoir and not tell my full story.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: And if there's anything missing from the book, it's not
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: anything that's a skeleton in my closet because all of
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: those are out and maybe could have gone into some
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: more detail on some stuff. But I'm like, no, this
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: is literally all of me. And it's kind of scary.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's great. And I can imagine
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: the feeling you felt of being underappreciated. And the fact that,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: you know, in reading the book, how often you did,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: you were the yes person. You were the person the
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: producer could call or Lisa and say, hey, when we
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: film tomorrow, you need to do this. And the conversations
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: with Lisa are, you know, you're being truthful. I can
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: see it happening. I don't think it's a bad thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: She's got a show, you know, it's kind of what
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the other housewives have said, you know, that she would
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: you know, have a way of talking and dropping things.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I am friendly with Lisa and she has told me
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: things that have yet to come out about cast members
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: on certain shows she's participated in. And she's like, now
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: don't tell anyone. And I don't think she knows who
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: I am because I don't tell when people say, don't
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: tell anyone, I actually don't. And I kind of was like, Hmm,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: and she's some of the stories she's told me a
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: couple of times. And I'm like, I know you think
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe these other bloggers don't say anything.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: These other bloggers or whatever, but I, that's not how
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I run juicy scoop. That's not what you scoops about.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: It's not what Heather McDonald stand of comedians about. I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: love this stuff and I love to talk about it
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: and explain it in a way that I know is juicy.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: And that's not, you know, jumping the gun and destroying
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: someone's life before it's out there. Like, I'm always like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not breaking news. I like to have the news
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: out there and then I'll comment and talk about it
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: because I'm not out to destroy someone's life. So I
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: can totally see how that works. Don't necessarily think she's
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: a bad person, but when then in the book, you
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: kind of felt like, you know, then again, when you're
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: not useful, you felt unappreciated, pushed to the side, thrown away.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a really vulnerable thing that you
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: wrote about, too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of felt, you know, used after all
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: of these years. It's like she could have told me
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: from the beginning, look, I know you were involved in
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: this situation a few years ago. his ex-wife is on
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the show. You're probably going to run into her, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: you know, this could turn into something and maybe it
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: would feel cathartic of you to apologize, to get like,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: she could have just been so honest with me. And
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I would have been like, yeah, absolutely. It still would
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: have been the same decision.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Dating Eddie Cibrian and the, and the Brandy situation.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you really realize how blindsided you were, however,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: as a viewer, Maybe it was the smartest way to
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: execute it, though you were used as a pawn. But
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: you did get a show out of it. It was
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: a successful show. So it's like, in hindsight, would that
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: have been the classier thing? But it probably wouldn't have
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: been as real. And the show is reality TV. But
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: that's what's kind of interesting is then you– as a
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: 40 year old woman, you know, but you wrote this
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: when you were 39, but like, you know, reflecting back
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: on knowing everything that you know. Now let's jump to
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the final scene of the end of Vanderpump rules as
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: we know it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Which is you guys are in San Francisco and it's
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: the final episode. And it's very clear from everything we
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: know now and what you guys have revealed on your
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: own podcast and in your book, um, that this one
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: particular producer, Jeremiah, I guess it was him, that was
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: pushing you guys to want Ariana to have this scene
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: in which she felt it would be a redemption scene
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: for Tom Sandoval to like, hey, I'm really sorry, whatever.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: And she just wasn't going to give him that. She
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: didn't want to give it to him. And to the
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: viewers watching it, they, many of them felt that you
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: and Lala were like, coming from a place which you
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: did say, you know, this is, or one of you guys,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: this is our show, we have children, but to some
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: people interpreting it was like, if Ariana doesn't do this
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: scene with Tom Sandoval, she's taking food out of, you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Little Summer Moon and Ocean's Mouth, which, when you say
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: it like, it seems, yeah, it doesn't seem great. How
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: do you feel now about that time and how you're
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: being pushed in these directions and also being the breadwinner
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: of your family and this being the majority of your
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: income is being a star on Vanderpump Rules?
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: It was frustrating at the time where I felt like
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: there was a big emotional weight put on Lala and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I to carry out this Tom storyline. You know, I
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: obviously had extreme sympathy for the mental state he was in.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: going through losing someone very close to me to suicide
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: in my past. So that definitely struck a chord. Whether
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Lisa knew that or not, I'm not sure. But that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: kind of changed the path on how I was approaching him.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I also knew that if I continued to project anger
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: and hate on him, then I kind of had to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: keep doing that to my husband. And I wanted to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: work towards forgiving my husband. But then did that mean
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I had to forgive Tom? And it was this whole
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: inner battle with me. And people want to go and say,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you know, that I was so jealous of Ariana for
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: getting Dancing with the Stars and all these opportunities. And
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: now I'm trying to have my Ariana moment. And I'm like, no,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to have that at all. I'm just
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: trying to give some more context. And also I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: if anything, one thing that I was envious of, of Ariana,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: it was two things. Actually, she got to just walk
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: away from the relationship. She got betrayed and she got
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to leave. It wasn't that easy for me, but also
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: one thing that I envy that I also have so
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: much respect for are how strong her boundaries are, because
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: that's something that I struggle with. And now in hindsight,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: looking back, She didn't owe it to anyone to have
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: a conversation with Tom. Not me, not production, not the network,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: not anyone. She lived her truth. She was real on
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: reality TV. She was authentic. And that meant walking away.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: And in the moment, it was frustrating when I felt
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: like I was picking up the pieces of a job
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that I didn't want to do to fill in for her.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: But now looking back, I'm like, she handled that like
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: such a boss. And I didn't handle it as well
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: as I could have. I also felt like my entire
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: world was crashing down on me. And the one thing
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I was good at doing was my job.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: So have you, you know, I know that you are
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: happy for her and she's just killing it on, you know.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: And it is amazing that she's on the show that
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: is the most talked about show right now with the
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Love Island and doing great. And I have no doubt
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: that you are happy for her. But where is your friendship?
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Has she reached out since your book came out? Have
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: by any chance has she read it or at least
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: read interviews in which you spoke about her?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: We haven't talked since anything has come out with the book.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I did send her a copy of it. So not
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: sure yet. if she's gotten that ready yet, I know
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: she said on Amanda Hirsch's podcast, she's more of an
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: audio book girl. So it does come with a, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: audio book credit or whatever. But I mean, I hope
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: she reads it. I hope she listens. And, you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I hope we can have a conversation about it one day,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: but I completely respect her boundaries. I understand that I
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: hurt her. I hope she understands where I felt hurt
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: in this situation as well. But At the end of
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: the day, I was the one hiding something. And I
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: am a really good actress, apparently, because no one fucking knew.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I said in the book, you know, I wished she
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: would have noticed because I would have thought she knew
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: me better than that. But then even after I wrote
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the book, I thought about it. I'm like, my mom
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: didn't notice. My sister didn't notice. People closest to me
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: did not notice because I just acted like everything was
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: fine and dandy. So that's not her fault. That can't
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: be on her, you know, but I guess I just
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: wished that maybe back then those closest to me checked
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: in on me a little more and I like, but
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: how are you? You seem a little off because I'm like,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: did I just fool all of you guys like that? Well,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: like no one ever noticed that something was just like,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: why is this affecting you so much? Why are you
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: going so hard on Tom? Why are you trying to like?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I'm going to tell you, seeing
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that I just read the book, You have a real pattern,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure maybe you've realized you haven't, of you
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: take care of all these men in your life, you know,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and the same thing happened with Shay. You, Mike Shay,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: you put him, you know, he was on the show,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: you married him, you had cold feet the day you
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: got married, you, and you have that scene with a
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: couple of the girls and they say, and the producer says,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: what is off? And again, you only give half of
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: what was off, which was you're pretty, he was lying
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: to you. I remember we talked about this on the first,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I think the first time he came on Juicy Scoop,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: because I thought it was, you know, so compelling that
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you realized he was abusing some type of, you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: prescription drug that was not, he was not prescribed for.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: And he, but he was lying. He was lying. You
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: knew that from phone situations. He borrowed your sister's phone.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: You could check on an iCloud. But in the line
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: about where he was for possible drug and alcohol abuse,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: you hid at that time from the show and from
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: some friends that you saw suspicious stuff of women writing
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: him and DMing him and all of that. So I
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: do feel that you have a real thing inside of
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: you to protect the men that you're with You've been
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: on this show for so long. And I think there's
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: something in that you bring these guys on, they're on
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: the show with you and they love you. But if
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: something doesn't go right, somehow you feel guilty because not
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: only is this a fight for a normal person, maybe
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: a few friends know, maybe a mother knows, but the
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: world knows that your boyfriend fucked up.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's accurate. I don't really have any.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and I think that's kind of like,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I kept seeing it like in reading the book, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: whether it's, you know, the Eddie Cibrian who, you know, really,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're right. You were 21. He was 33.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: He didn't wear a ring. This was before Google. You
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: didn't know he was out with you at places. You
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: weren't exclusive. But then when you guys go to Mammoth
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: and he pays for your ski equipment and he teaches
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you how to snowboard and you're with friends and how
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: would any, why would anybody expecting a second child with
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: a wife? And, you know, and so that was, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, and that is a huge difference in
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: age difference and everything. And So, I mean, it was,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: it's a very, what I think is so interesting about
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: the book is those beginning, those, those chapters all before
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Vanderpump starts. And, you know, you living in your, your
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: cute apartment, I know exactly the, the building you mean.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: The fontanoi?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It also makes you a little bit sad as
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: a native Angeleno, how much LA has changed. Because I
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: had a similar, such though I'm older than you, like,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: you know, 25 years ago when I was, you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: living the Brentwood life and doing groundlings and standup, I
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: had all those fun stories, which is in my book.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: You'll never blue ball this town again. You talked about
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: all the guys you fucked. I talked about the ones
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: I dry humped, but it was a lot of those
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: fun stories that I do when younger people read it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: They're like, Oh my God, you went on this date
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: and you went on this date. Like people don't date anymore.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, your neighborhood sounds so cute. It kind
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: of makes me sad. And I'm praying that like Los
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Angeles can get cute again. Cause it feels like, I
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: don't know that a girl could like live the life
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: that you and I live now in LA, the way
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: we lived it, you know, it sucks.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: It's so different. I mean, just even with social media,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: camera phones, like it's changed just so much. I felt like,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: my generation was the last one where we got that
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: normalcy at a club where you could go out any
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: night of the week, see Britney Spears, 2000 or 2007
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: in a blue wig at Ladue. And no one's taking
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: photos of her unless, you know, paparazzi is outside. It
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: was just like, what a time.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. So, so that was all really cool. Now,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: another juicy thing is kind of like you, um, your
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: relationships with like threesomes and girls, and even one time
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: you say, at one time you started to catch feelings
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: for one of these girls. And I feel like that
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: is something that It's pretty juicy to someone like me.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: I don't have friends that are married to men that
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: had relationships with girls prior. I know it's like a
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: much more fluid time, but you know, we, we know
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: from the show, Kristen and Brittany allegedly had a, a
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: one night, you know, eat out. And then, and then
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Lala and Ariana did. And then you talk about Don,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: how do you pronounce your name?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Donya?
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Dania? Dana?
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, that wasn't Dana who I was talking about.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Wasn't there one girl that you said when you're pissed
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: at Brock, you made out with her at a concert?
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that was Dana.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: No, Dana Kathan, like from the show.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: But then there was another girl that you, I guess
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: you don't say who it is, but like you kind
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: of were like, oh, can you speak on that? Because
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: I think that's pretty juicy.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this was a girl who I met
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: at Stagecoach 2019 and It was at Neon Carnival, the
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: only time they've ever done a Neon Carnival for that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: The guy who she had just been with, I guess
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: she ran into or something with him. And then I
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: ran into Rob and his new girlfriend at Neon Carnival.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: And I just wasn't in a good place. Some guys
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: from The Bachelorette Show, her friend was talking to one
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: of them. So it kind of ended up just being
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: the two of us at this after party. We totally
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: hit it off. We bonded. We met up the next
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: day for the festival. And it just felt like we
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: had known each other for so long. We had an
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: instant connection. And when we got back to LA, we
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: just started hanging out all of the time. We were inseparable.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: And then there was one night, I remember we're at
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the shop bar at TomTom and she just grabbed my
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: face and kissed me. And I was like, what was that? Like,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I was not expecting that, but then also I didn't
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: hate it. And then it became a more regular thing
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: and then would be out and we would hold hands and...
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: we would have our little date nights and whatnot. And
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I felt like maybe this could turn into something. Like,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is my forever, if this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: is my future, but maybe it's my for now. Like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: maybe we explore where this goes. And I felt like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: both of us had deep feelings for each other, but
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if either side was necessarily romantic. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to have like the talk. I was
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: too afraid of rejection and her being like, oh no, sweetie,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I just kissed you when I'm drunk. Like it's nothing more.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: So neither of us really ever had that conversation because
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I met Brock that year. She was with me when
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I met him. So that kind of transition of, I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: don't know that this is going to turn into anything
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: because now I'm dating this guy and Brock was not
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: okay with it. When I kissed her one time when
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: we were all out together, after him and I were
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: already official. And so naturally we just kind of started
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to distance from each other. We went from being inseparable,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: talking all day, every day to just not hanging out much.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Then we go into a pandemic. Brock and I were
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: living at my house in Palm Springs. I actually gave
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: her my apartment in Marina to go to with her cat.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's just, there's more space there, like
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: go and quarantine there. And he knew that he was
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: fine with it. But then just slowly through the pandemic,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: we just kind of grew apart. And I felt like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: it was a slow fallout. But I also knew the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: day Brock and I made it official and when he
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: got so upset that I had kissed her again once
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: that I couldn't keep someone close to me in my
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: life who I did have feelings for, who, you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I was considering exploring something with. And Slowly, we just
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: kind of stopped talking. And she had sent me a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: really long text, like one of those ones that you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: have to click on to expand. I've never received a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: text like that in my life. But after I read it,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, my God, did I break
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: this girl's heart? Or does she just miss her friend? Like,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: it was a very confusing time in my life because
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't fully explore what that was or what that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: could have been because I met Brock. And Brock and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I just had a spark from the beginning as well.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And that was the path I chose.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: So in your wild days of, you know, really the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: wild days were all kind of pre-Vanderpump. But in your
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: wild days, you would have threesomes and stuff. But with
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: this girl, did you only kiss or would you go
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: all the way, just the two of you?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't really make it to second base or anything.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: It was pretty much... Like cuddles, handholding, makeouts, like we
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: hadn't gotten to the next level. I wasn't against it necessarily.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: It just hadn't happened yet. And had I not met
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Brock when I did, if we, you know, had a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: few more months together or however long, maybe it would
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: have crossed another line, but it hadn't gotten there yet.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: So a couple other things. One, another thing that I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: thought was really juicy in the book is when you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: talk about how there was a editor named Brie. who
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: went on a podcast and laughed and said her favorite
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: thing to do was to edit all of Sheena's cringiest
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: moments together. And she got fired, which I'm like, God,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: even the editors are thirsty to go on a podcast.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Like what the fuck? Like, and I think I relate
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: to you as the pick me girl or whatever, because I,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: you know, when I was on Chelsea lately, we, we
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: kind of had a heightened personas of the regulars and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: we did a show called, um, you know, after lately,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: which was like a Curb Your Enthusiasm. We were playing ourselves,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: but it would be heightened stories, heightened. And so my
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: persona was literally on the poster, the fame whore, like
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: the fame, which is like, because I knew the Kardashians
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: because we live near each other. And before either of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: us were an E, I knew them. So whatever. But meanwhile,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I'm the fame whore, but you're the one that's, you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: hanging out with, you know, Jennifer Aniston and all these people. Okay, whatever.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: But I went along with it because, you know, I'm
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: like you ready down to do anything down to wear
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: a camel toe and an open sketch and have the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: camera zoom in on my crotch. I did everything to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: keep that fucking job and provide for the family. So
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I totally relate to you. But that like that is heartbreaking.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: But.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: It's also just like, I love that you included that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: part and for people to know that. And part of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: the thing of Rob putting up the TV in seven
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: minutes is, is a kind of a really fun moment.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I actually think that should be embraced, but it also
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: made me go, you know, you kind of had this,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: you know, husband, I'm sure he was a nice guy,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: but you know, that Mike Shea wasn't doing that. And
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: these other guys, and this guy actually was capable of things.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, Rob was handy. But Brock the Builder
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: is handier. He is handier.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Literally, I cannot believe how impressed I was that the wall,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: like the hinges, whatever it's called, like that framework was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: already on his wall. He simply... Put it on.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And under seven minutes. But the fact that it took
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: him close to seven minutes to put a TV on
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: the brackets that were already in the wall. Not so impressive.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Putting a hitch on a truck for the boat. Not
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: so impressive. But compared to my past relationship where I'm
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the one hanging up the artwork in the house, I'm
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the one fixing the Wi-Fi when it goes out, setting
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: up our landline. Because when we lived at Park La Brea,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: we had no service. Just like all of those little
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: things like I was so used to doing. So the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: fact that this man just put a TV on the wall,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh my.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: God, he's a man. I mean, that's amazing. Okay. Now
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: let's jump to the whole Santa ball thing with Raquel.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: One of the things I didn't really know, and I
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: felt like I knew everything was, um, when you found
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: out when she blurts out after you guys were hanging
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: out that night after you watch what happens live, where
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: she says, I was having an affair with Tom Sandoval
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: for seven months. Ariana just found out. And your reaction
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: makes so much more sense when you read the book
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: because Lala was suspicious. Katie was suspicious. You asked her
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: point blank on more than one occasion if something was happening.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: And it was just, it was truly like such a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: weird gaslight situation that, that just makes, you know, it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: made so much more sense because Katie, It was a shock,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't totally. It was more like even a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: larger betrayal because you were like, we did ask. And
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: I was like, you're crazy, Lala. And like, I believe
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: her and all of that. Now, all this time passed, like,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: what's your feelings now towards her? She had the podcast
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: tell all. She ended that. She appears to be doing
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: sound baths and like with a non-entertainment person. Do you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: think that you would ever... want to have a conversation
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: with her?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Um, I think that would be up to her. She's
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the one who has me blocked, but you know, she's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: also the one who put me in the legal system.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: That was just that when that was going on with
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: the restraining order and all that stuff, that was just shocking. Where,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: where does, where does the case, and maybe you don't know,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: where does the case, where's the case now with her and,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: and suing Ariana and no.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Idea, honestly. Yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Their lawsuits. Cause I mean, even when we talk, it's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: not about anything serious like that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, going back to that, I just,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I did feel like I needed to put that all
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: in the book because there was so much more to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: the story that people didn't get, you know, and I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: wish her nothing but the best, you know, I hope
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: she's happy in Arizona doing her sound baths. I think
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: she needed to get her side of the story out
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: on her podcast. And that's what she felt like she
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: needed to do. That's why I wrote a book, you know,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: it can be cathartic, but I think it is healthiest
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: for her to have stepped out of the spotlight. And yeah,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I hope she's doing well, you know, enough
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: time has passed.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: It's I'm certainly not going to be reaching out.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: And how do you feel about the Valley as a show?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Have you enjoyed watching it? I mean, you're, you, you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: show up, but you know, you're not a part of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: the drama. You basically, you know, Janet's the drama and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Janet was your friend and met you at an event,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: which people are getting criticizing her. You know, she was
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: a fan. It's like, you approach people because you saw
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: them on a show. I mean, she's been around quite
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: a long time to finally make it on the show.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: So what are your feelings towards all of that?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Well, and also people are acting like I posted, I
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: was going to be at the laundry on that day.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Like I had an appearance and she sought me out.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: It just so happened. I went to the laundry on
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: that day and ran into her, you know, I think, um,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she's getting a ton of hate right
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: now and watching the show. I can understand why the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: audience has certain perspectives. And, you know, hopefully one day
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: you're able to see more of her story and more context. And,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: you know, she has her podcast and whatnot. So it
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: is hard to watch. Alex says, you know, he's like, yeah,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: everyone's saying the show's dark. Like, yeah, it is. This
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: is reality. You know, people are going through dark shit.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: So it's hard to watch my friends go through such
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: hard times, you know, it is challenging to watch and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: hopefully moving forward. It's a little more fun. And, um, you.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: Know, I mean, I wonder being that she, you know,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: was around it being your friend. We see her in
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: several episodes of Vanderpump rules. She was always like at
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: your parties and stuff. Even she probably thought out of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: all the people to be on reality TV. Okay. I'm prepared.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: I'm prepared. I'm prepared. But the truth is, if it's
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: a reality show, yeah, you say something and you can't
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: put the toothpaste back in the bottle. And if it's juicy,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: they're going to keep it. Even if she went running
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: up to them and said, hey, can you take out
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: the part that I said about Danny essaying? They wouldn't.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, there's nothing she can do
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: at this point. She was just, you know, in an argument.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: And when you're in arguments with people that you know,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: if cameras weren't around, those things might've been said. It's like, yes,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: you're on the clock, but you've been vacationing and you're
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: drinking and you're living your life. And like, you know,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: it is, it is really hard, you know, to, to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: be like, okay, what have I, you know, even when
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: in the book, when you're like, I didn't really want
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: to give them the wedding because they were like, we
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to see Brock anymore. And then they're like, well,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: if you do the wedding, you know, and it's just
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: kind of like, but then again, you know, like I
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: have to give them something. So sure. Let's have a
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: fun wedding. Now, the thing that. Here you put the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: wedding on the, on the show, besides us, maybe the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: venue giving you a deal because they want to be
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: featured on the show. this, the show never gives you like, Hey,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: here's 30,000 towards your wedding or do they?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: No, there's a small budgets towards a tab for a party.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: It's like never more than a thousand dollars, like maybe
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: two to 500 where it's like, okay, we have this
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: at the tab or you get two drinks, like whatever
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: it is, there's a very, a bare minimum that gets
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: put towards these parties. So when you see all of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: the housewives, um, with these elaborate parties and stuff, the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: network is not paying for them. Production's not paying for them.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: We either get trade-offs and we get shit for free
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: for posting or we're paying for it out of our
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: own pocket. They did not contribute anything to my wedding
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: other than we were able to get some trades for
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: stuff because it was featured on the show. And I mean,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: the wedding was incredible. So I was really happy that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: they did end up filming it, but they didn't pay
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: for it at all.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: And are you happy that you didn't wear a two-piece
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: wedding gown?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it would have been probably a more appropriate
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: setting on the beach, but I wanted to go a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: little more timeless, a little more classic. And that's what
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: I did. I felt like my first wedding too, I
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: regretted the color of my hair. Just like, why would
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: you have your wedding photos with this, you know, blonde
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: kind of highlight ombre look? Like that's not classic and timeless.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted my dark hair, but what am I going
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: to do? Retake our wedding photos? I mean, yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: And isn't it crazy that you know, the, the dress designer,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: you know, and his husband that, that had, they said
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: the right last name and not just Tom, where they said,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: we saw Raquel kissing Tom. They actually told you that.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: And you didn't inquire. You just assumed it was Tom Schwartz.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: How different that's when, when I'm reading it, which reminds
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: me of like the Shakespearean plays that were too hard
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: for me to understand. And I get these things called
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: cliff notes and the way they would describe, you know, like,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: so many things in your life too is like that
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: where you say, if I hadn't have, you know, been
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: hurt by this person, then I wouldn't have gone to
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: this party and I wouldn't have met this person. And
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: then this, I wouldn't have been on the, I wouldn't
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: have worked at Villa. And if I hadn't worked at
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: the Villa, then I wouldn't have got Villa Blanca. Then
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been on the show. And like, I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: think that's like a really, a cool thing that you've
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: recognized in, in your writing as well and reflecting on
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: your life. Like I always say that too, like there's,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: There's times where people go, do you have regrets? And
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: there's little regrets I have. I should have bought a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: play set for my sons in my backyard, whatever. I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: always bring that up a million times. My husband was like,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: you could go down to the park, whatever. I would
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: have just liked to have a cup of coffee and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: watch them play. But as far as like jobs, losing
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: out on a home that you maybe made an offer on,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: all of those things, I will say, they all work out.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Like being fired from a job, breaking up with someone,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: they all work out. It just might take months or years.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: And then one day you wake up and you're like,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: thank God that happened. Thank God I told off that
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: person and the relationship ended in a negative way because
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: then I wouldn't have been at rock bottom and I
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have built this new business. Like all those things
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: have to happen. And so, you know, in concluding, like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: there's just, it's a great book. I think it should
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: be a TV show. I think it should be a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: scripted show. And I think that's what I'm going to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: manifest for you in your new thing, that you will
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: be executive producing things that would be very interesting from
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: that time. I think now we're on almost 20 years.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: You know, Happy Days was about the 50s. It came
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: out in the 70s. People are thirsting for stuff 20
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: years ago. And so I... I think it would be
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: a great show. I think people would love to see
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: LA during that time. And I think you are the,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: the story of a girl that did all the right things.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: She went to college. She took that class. I took
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: that same class with Marky Costello, that hosting class, all
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: those things, you know, thought you'd do all these things,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: got into the beginnings of the explosion of reality TV,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: but not the infancy of it. Like you were familiar
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: with it. And yeah, And then also like as you
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: embark on this, you know, the fact that you are,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: you know, committed to your marriage and that this did
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: happen two years ago and you guys are still together
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: and working through it. How is he taking it? How
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: is he, Brock, dealing with it? Is he off social media?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: Is he turning comments off? What are you guys doing
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: to get through this time while you also enjoy the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: success of the book?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to protect our peace, for sure. He has
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: had a hard time with it. He's trying to stay
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: off social media, stay out of the comment section. He
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: will be on my podcast next week, so we will
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: be going into more of this then. but it's been tough.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: You know, we've dealt with it privately for so long
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: and for the past eight, nine months, you know, with
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: family and the closest friends to us, but now it's
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: out there for the world. So it's not easy, you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: having an Us Weekly cover that I'm so proud of,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: but then the giant word cheating across my chest. It's like,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, I was proud of you for getting
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: a cover, but like, I don't really want to post
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: that on my page. And I'm like, I understand, but
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: this is something that we chose to put in the
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: book and it is going to be a big topic
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: of conversation. Just know that, like, we're in this for
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: the long run. I'm not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: We're committed to working on our relationship.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: You know, the thing that does tie everything together is
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: cheating and infidelity. You know, the show started because, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: they found out that you had an affair before he
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: got with Leanne. What's her name? Leanne Rimes. However, I
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: remember seeing... that it was the first story that came
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: out was Eddie Cibrian is cheating with Leanne Rimes. And
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: he's married to this woman, Brandi Glanville. No one had
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: heard of Brandi Glanville. They sought her out then. And
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: I remember my friend said, you know, the newest housewife
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is the girl that,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: the woman that Eddie Cibrian cheated on. So she got
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: hired because he cheated with Leanne Rimes, who was a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: bigger name. Then they brought Vanderpump in because you had
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: a history and put the scarlet letter on you. And
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: then the Scannibal thing exploded because that was so interesting
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: because not only was there a cheating layer, but it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: was a layer with a best friend. And I think
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: the audience is women. And we do find this very
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: compelling to talk about. You know, it is, it's the
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: oldest sin in a marriage. It happens. You know, it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: is why it's interesting. You know, if everybody on these
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: shows had perfect marriages and perfect friendships and perfect businesses
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: and They mostly those people don't get asked back like
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: or they don't get they don't get hired like it's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: not juicy enough. And then they're like, come on with
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: a better storyline than your kid, you know, suffering with
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: a learning disability. Well, you're like, well, that's all I've got. Like,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: what do you want? You want me to have a
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: you want me to just suddenly create something? And I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: know none of these things are created. That's why I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my God, seeing these like TikToks and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: stuff of like, I think Sheena did it so that
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: she could sell books and finally get on Dancing with
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: the Stars.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: That is so not a goal of mine anymore. I'm
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: just like, that was a dream of Sheena from her
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: 20s and 30s. That's not a dream of Sheena in
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: her 40s.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: So if they ask today?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I know, you know, it is so much work.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, going on book tour right now is
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: stressing me out, leaving my daughter. I think I'm going
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: to bring her on the last leg for us because,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: you know, being gone for five days and I'm back
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: for like one and a half.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: You have a huge tour going. You're doing, I see
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: lots of city wineries, which I've done those. Those are great, intimate,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: good food and drink. Like what can they, if they
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: go to your live show, what can they expect and
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: why should they buy a ticket?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: It's going to be such a fun show. Honestly, there's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: going to be performances of some sort in every show.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: The Austin show, I'm really excited to do for those performances.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: I am going to be giving very fun prizes away
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: at each show. And each show is going to be
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: a little different. I have some amazing guests who are
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: going to join me at different cities and different legs
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: of the tour. And it's just going to be very entertaining.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: You know, there's the 92Y event with the chicks in
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: the office. That'll be more of a sit down, moderated,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: serious discussion. But I do have something fun planned for
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: the end of that. And the rest of it, I mean,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: it's going to be an entertaining, live, fun show.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Yes. Well, thank you so much. Everybody get the book.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: And if you prefer audio, get the audio. You know
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: where to find Sheena Shea and her podcast as well.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: And your dates are on there. So if she's coming
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: to a city near you and you've got questions and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: you want to see it, go see it. I do
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: like to read a book, especially if my friends have
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: written it. And I think you did a great job.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you. And, you know, I wish you guys the best,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: and I'll see you soon.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: before bed.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Or two, you know.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Nobody's watching.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: You deserve a treat.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.