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Spinning Toilets, Stingrays, and St. Thomas Shores - Part 4 · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  Adam: Welcome to episode 127 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  Steph: Hi, everyone.
• 0:34
  Adam: So a word that we mentioned last time, the Coriolis effect.
• 0:40
  Steph: Okay.
• 0:41
  Adam: Right?
• 0:42
  Adam: You asked me why the spiral staircase went in a certain direction, that it was counterclockwise.
• 0:48
  Steph: Oh, yes.
• 0:49
  Steph: So my reasoning was because the pirates did the staircase counterclockwise.
• 0:59
  Steph: So that way, meaning when you're going up the staircase, you have to hold on with your right hand.
• 1:06
  Steph: Your left hand is free to fight.
• 1:09
  Steph: But most people aren't left-handed.
• 1:12
  Steph: Where if you're going downward, your right hand is free to defend and fight.
• 1:17
  Steph: And so it's a perk for those defending and going downward.
• 1:23
  Adam: Yes, and I'm sure that's the correct reason because that's what you read while you were there, right?
• 1:28
  Adam: Or afterwards.
• 1:30
  Steph: Yes, and everything you read is always right.
• 1:32
  Adam: Yes.
• 1:32
  Adam: Well, it's certainly not the Coriolis effect.
• 1:35
  Adam: I meant that simply as a joke because, like, maybe north of the equator, then spiral staircases go counterclockwise, and below the equator they go clockwise.
• 1:45
  Steph: Oh, like in Australia when you flash the toilets, they go opposite.
• 1:48
  Adam: Right, because of the Coriolis effect.
• 1:50
  Steph: Okay.
• 1:50
  Steph: Explain the Coriolis effect.
• 1:52
  Steph: We've been to Australia, and I cannot believe I did not pay attention to the toilets.
• 2:00
  Adam: Yes.
• 2:01
  Steph: You?
• 2:01
  Steph: Did you notice they go opposite?
• 2:03
  Adam: They don't have spinny toilets, though, usually.
• 2:05
  Steph: Oh, maybe that's why I didn't notice then.
• 2:07
  Steph: They just go straight down.
• 2:08
  Steph: Oh man.
• 2:11
  Steph: Yeah.
• 2:12
  Steph: Afterwards, it was like a couple months later, and someone asked me.
• 2:15
  Steph: I was like, oh man, I can't believe I missed I missed out on that opportunity.
• 2:22
  Adam: Yes, I suppose so.
• 2:23
  Adam: But I don't think you really had the opportunity.
• 2:26
  Steph: Okay.
• 2:26
  Steph: Maybe that's why.
• 2:28
  Adam: Could be.
• 2:28
  Adam: So the Coriolis effect is the impact by the Earth's rotation on fluid dynamics, where it causes water to spiral down a drain, essentially.
• 2:41
  Adam: And I think it probably has something to do with fluid dynamics in general, with any spinning body that it shows itself apparent with drains and toilets in use in on the earth.
• 2:56
  Adam: But I think a Coriolis effect would be just any large spinning body having an impact on fluid dynamics.
• 3:02
  Steph: Is that legitimate though?
• 3:04
  Steph: Is it real or is it an urban myth?
• 3:07
  Adam: It's real.
• 3:08
  Adam: It has a name, the Coriolis effect.
• 3:11
  Steph: Well, lots of things have names.
• 3:12
  Steph: I'm just thinking, I've seen before that apparently if you're along the equator, there will be people like that make money on the streets, and they'll show you, like, hey, put some money in my hat.
• 3:27
  Steph: And you're on this side of the equator, and then like essentially making, yeah, a drain, and you see the water go the other way.
• 3:36
  Steph: And then they take a couple steps south, and then it goes the opposite direction.
• 3:42
  Steph: So I've seen that, and it's like a big tourist scene, apparently.
• 3:45
  Steph: But most of those are fraudulent.
• 3:48
  Adam: Yes, that's a scam.
• 3:49
  Adam: That's basically they have a very shallow drain, and then based on how like they pour the water, it will spin that direction.
• 3:57
  Adam: That way.
• 3:58
  Adam: Yes.
• 3:59
  Steph: Right.
• 3:59
  Steph: So, but it is a legitimate thing, you're saying?
• 4:03
  Adam: I think so.
• 4:04
  Adam: I guess we'll do our research here, and I have absolutely no idea the etymology of Coriolis effect.
• 4:09
  Adam: It is probably somebody's name, maybe the person that discovered it.
• 4:12
  Steph: Cori.
• 4:13
  Adam: Coriolis.
• 4:15
  Steph: Cori discovered the OLUS effect.
• 4:17
  Adam: No, I don't think so.
• 4:19
  Adam: So, according to National Geographic, the Coriolis effect is the apparent bending or deflection of moving objects as they travel over long distances on a rotating Earth.
• 4:32
  Adam: It makes fluids like air currents and ocean currents curve toward the right in the northern hemisphere and towards the left in the southern hemisphere.
• 4:42
  Steph: Is it the farther away you are, the more drastic it is then?
• 4:48
  Adam: I would assume so.
• 4:49
  Adam: That there's going to be some impact based on how far you are or how near you are to the equator.
• 4:55
  Steph: So it affects things, right?
• 4:56
  Steph: Like hurricanes.
• 4:58
  Steph: Because they spin.
• 5:00
  Steph: Okay, so I read something that says like hurricanes spin counterclockwise where we are in the northern hemisphere, and they spin clockwise in the southern hemisphere.
• 5:11
  Steph: That's interesting.
• 5:13
  Steph: Because here, right, they always start, not always.
• 5:16
  Steph: What we're used to is they start out, like say the in the Atlantic, and then they spin counterclockwise and either go to the Gulf or up the Atlantic coast, right?
• 5:27
  Adam: Correct.
• 5:28
  Steph: But I guess if you're in Australia or whatnot in the northern in the southern hemisphere, if it's been the opposite direction.
• 5:37
  Adam: I suppose so.
• 5:38
  Adam: Now, according to Wikipedia and nsta.org, which I guess that is the National Science Teaching Association, that the Coriolis effect does not impact the direction in which water drains in sinks and toilets.
• 5:58
  Steph: Oh, it does not.
• 6:00
  Adam: Now, according to this, it is the shape of the basin, so the design and geometry of the sink or toilet, the initial motion of the water, so any pre-existing motion of the water, as well as other external forces, such as different things that are in the basin's bottom that can influence the water's movement.
• 6:22
  Steph: Hmm.
• 6:23
  Steph: Well, that's disappointing, because that would be really fun.
• 6:27
  Adam: I guess so.
• 6:28
  Adam: I suppose you can try to experiment this at your own home and see if like a sink, if you can make the water drain one direction and then make it drain the other direction.
• 6:39
  Steph: I mean, and nowadays with social media, you could ask people, you can easily get in contact with people on the other side of the hemisphere.
• 6:47
  Adam: That's true.
• 6:49
  Steph: Um I just have a I mean that's slightly disappointing.
• 6:54
  Steph: I feel a little let down.
• 6:55
  Steph: That's not true.
• 6:57
  Steph: I always thought it was.
• 6:58
  Steph: So I think I'm processing that in real time.
• 7:01
  Steph: So they're just saying that in Australia, say, you know, use Australia, their basins are just shaped different.
• 7:09
  Steph: Why would they shape them different?
• 7:12
  Adam: I don't know.
• 7:13
  Adam: That's just what their culture wanted to do, I suppose.
• 7:17
  Steph: Weird.
• 7:18
  Steph: But all southern hemispheres shape them the same type of shape.
• 7:24
  Adam: No.
• 7:24
  Adam: No.
• 7:25
  Adam: All cultures have different types of toilets.
• 7:28
  Steph: Right.
• 7:28
  Steph: I mean, I know there's some places like in southern Europe where it's just like a hole.
• 7:33
  Steph: There's not even like a bowl that can just go straight down.
• 7:38
  Steph: And that's what you're saying Australia was.
• 7:42
  Steph: I can't remember.
• 7:43
  Steph: Um I did look it up.
• 7:46
  Steph: Did you see the n the reason for the name?
• 7:50
  Adam: No, I have not gotten that far.
• 7:52
  Adam: So have you found the answer to the Coriolis effect?
• 7:54
  Adam: I did in the etymology.
• 7:56
  Steph: You should probably try to pronounce his name.
• 7:58
  Adam: Okay.
• 7:59
  Steph: So I don't offer any offense.
• 8:02
  Adam: Coriolis?
• 8:03
  Adam: Am I saying it wrong?
• 8:05
  Steph: I don't know.
• 8:06
  Steph: Del Coriol D.
• 8:08
  Steph: Coriolis.
• 8:10
  Steph: His name, I would pronounce it Gaspard Gastav D.
• 8:15
  Steph: Coriolis.
• 8:17
  Steph: He is a French mathematician and scientist.
• 8:22
  Steph: From in 1835, he published his paper that talked about the transfer of energy in rotating systems.
• 8:34
  Adam: Gaspard Gustave de Coriolis is how I would say it.
• 8:38
  Steph: Yeah, your sounds better.
• 8:39
  Steph: Mine wasn't too off, though.
• 8:42
  Adam: Indeed.
• 8:42
  Adam: So yeah, I guess I'm disappointed as a young child.
• 8:46
  Adam: I think I was taught in science class that like the Coriolis effect will have an impact on the way that water drains in a sink.
• 8:52
  Adam: But apparently not.
• 8:53
  Adam: But if you have like a completely still standing body of water in a sink, and then you pull the drain plug, like will it always go the same direction?
• 9:03
  Adam: I don't know.
• 9:05
  Steph: I think so.
• 9:06
  Adam: I'm questioning the National Science Academy here.
• 9:09
  Steph: We're questioning everything now.
• 9:11
  Steph: This is I I like that both of us are visually deflated.
• 9:14
  Steph: Like this is sad.
• 9:16
  Steph: We're like going into this pod kind of bummed out now.
• 9:22
  Adam: I suppose so.
• 9:23
  Adam: Yeah, everything I'm reading here says that the Coriolis effect has no impact on the way water drains, and that there's no difference between the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere.
• 9:34
  Adam: It is only because of the shape and any particular motion of the water before the drain is released.
• 9:42
  Steph: So I looked it up just out of curiosity, because we've been talking about uh our trip to St.
• 9:51
  Steph: Thomas, the Virgin Islands, and we were 1,270 miles about from the equator.
• 10:04
  Adam: Indeed.
• 10:05
  Adam: So apparently it has no difference if you're right next to it, or 1200 miles or 2400 miles, because the Coralus effect does not impact draining water.
• 10:16
  Steph: Right.
• 10:17
  Steph: So I think maybe it would slightly impact the storms.
• 10:21
  Steph: We talked before about how they anticipated the Hurricane Dolly coming while we were there, or right before we got there, and so that would have gone counterclockwise to where we were.
• 10:35
  Steph: And that kind of fizzled out and we lucked out that way.
• 10:37
  Steph: Had we been twelve hundred miles south, it would theoretically go counterclock or no.
• 10:45
  Steph: Theoretically go clockwise, right?
• 10:48
  Adam: The drain?
• 10:49
  Adam: No, the hurricane, I guess.
• 10:51
  Adam: Yeah.
• 10:52
  Steph: Because in my brain, I'm a north hemisphere person.
• 10:56
  Steph: If you can't tell by my accent, but in my brain, every hurricane and storm I picture goes counterclockwise.
• 11:06
  Steph: Like that's how I picture it.
• 11:07
  Steph: Like the storms, the weather goes that direction.
• 11:11
  Adam: Right.
• 11:12
  Steph: But I wonder, and I assume, I guess, if you're on the southern hemisphere, you would assure the storms clockwise.
• 11:23
  Adam: I need to.
• 11:24
  Steph: Which makes more sense.
• 11:25
  Steph: Like I sort of wish ours was clockwise, because that's the way clocks go and the time goes.
• 11:30
  Steph: Like that's how it should go.
• 11:32
  Steph: But it doesn't.
• 11:35
  Steph: And I think that's so interesting.
• 11:37
  Steph: I don't know.
• 11:38
  Steph: I want to know more about why in that split it goes the opposite way.
• 11:45
  Adam: Because it's on the opposite side of the earth rotating.
• 11:50
  Steph: Right.
• 11:50
  Steph: But why?
• 11:53
  Adam: Because that's the way the earth's spinning.
• 11:55
  Steph: But why?
• 11:56
  Adam: That's just how it's set up, I guess.
• 11:58
  Adam: So now we've concluded that the Coriolis effect has no impact on the designs of spiral staircases.
• 12:07
  Adam: And apparently have also learned that the Coriolis effect has nothing to do with the way the water spins in a drain or a toilet.
• 12:17
  Steph: Well, we technically haven't learned what at that.
• 12:21
  Steph: It's not part of it.
• 12:22
  Steph: You should look that up.
• 12:24
  Steph: Because we are in the northern hemisphere, and the staircase we did was counterclockwise the same direction as storms here in the northern hemisphere.
• 12:36
  Adam: Well then I guess we'll have to visit Australia again and see if they have different spiral staircases.
• 12:40
  Adam: Okay.
• 12:41
  Steph: Sounds so hard, but I'll do it for research.
• 12:44
  Adam: There you go.
• 12:45
  Adam: So we will, I suppose, conclude or maybe not conclude.
• 12:52
  Adam: We'll see how long it takes us to describe the three additional beaches that we went to, our final beaches on St.
• 13:00
  Adam: Thomas, and then our trip home.
• 13:04
  Adam: So we'll see if that fills up the rest of the time of the episode and more or less.
• 13:08
  Adam: Who knows?
• 13:10
  Steph: Oh, yeah.
• 13:10
  Steph: I mean, we could take more, but let's do it.
• 13:13
  Steph: So our final couple days on St.
• 13:15
  Steph: Thomas, Virgin Islands.
• 13:17
  Adam: That's right.
• 13:18
  Adam: So for you, our listener, we are recapping our vacation to St.
• 13:22
  Adam: Thomas, uh, where we visited Water Island and then the main island of St.
• 13:26
  Adam: Thomas.
• 13:27
  Adam: And you can hear, if you haven't listened already, do parts one through three in the previous three episodes.
• 13:33
  Adam: And then this is part four, where we have now departed Blackbeard's Castle, which we covered last time, and headed to Koki Beach.
• 13:43
  Steph: Yes.
• 13:43
  Steph: Now, beforehand, in previous episodes, I've shared that we went to Brewer's Beach in St.
• 13:52
  Steph: Thomas.
• 13:53
  Steph: Also, again, not spoiler, if you haven't listened beforehand, go back and listen.
• 13:58
  Steph: I love Water Island.
• 14:00
  Steph: St.
• 14:01
  Steph: Thomas was great, but Water Island's where my heart is.
• 14:05
  Steph: So I'm biased going into all this.
• 14:07
  Steph: So saying that though, I do not know if I like Cokey Beach better or worse than Brewers.
• 14:17
  Steph: Both were pretty low on my list.
• 14:22
  Adam: I guess I think I liked Cokie Beach.
• 14:26
  Adam: I'm trying to remember I'm getting Coke Beach and Linquist Beach perhaps a little confused.
• 14:33
  Steph: Okay.
• 14:33
  Steph: Well, let me talk about and it'll jar it for you.
• 14:35
  Steph: We went to Cokey Beach.
• 14:38
  Steph: We were warned previously by locals that it smells.
• 14:42
  Steph: Boy, was that an understatement.
• 14:46
  Steph: It smells big time.
• 14:47
  Steph: And I was like, is this safe to swim?
• 14:51
  Steph: It I guess it was.
• 14:53
  Steph: I don't know.
• 14:54
  Steph: But I appreciated that warning and it truly did.
• 14:58
  Steph: Parking is extremely limited.
• 15:01
  Steph: And there's parking attendance.
• 15:03
  Steph: Parking's free, but there are people there that will like help you.
• 15:08
  Steph: And um they try to like, do you want you know, they want you to buy their chairs and their umbrellas, like rent them for the day.
• 15:19
  Steph: But we didn't want any of that.
• 15:21
  Steph: We knew we weren't gonna be there that long.
• 15:23
  Steph: But you did give we parked, and this guy was trying to help, try to get us all hooked up.
• 15:29
  Steph: We didn't want any of his stuff, but you kindly gave him a couple dollars to help watch our spot.
• 15:37
  Adam: Yeah, it's certainly not quote unquote professionals.
• 15:41
  Adam: There's not parking attendants or like waiters and waitresses.
• 15:45
  Adam: They are, I think, maybe loosely associated to the businesses there, but they're sort of freelance parking attendants.
• 15:53
  Steph: So there's uh several people came up to us.
• 15:55
  Steph: One specifically went right when we sat down though, and she asked, Has anyone talked to you yet?
• 16:00
  Steph: And they said no.
• 16:01
  Steph: And she's like, Okay, I'm your waitress.
• 16:03
  Steph: Anyone else who tells you, tell them that I'm your waitress.
• 16:07
  Steph: And so yeah, I think that's kind of how it goes.
• 16:10
  Steph: They all kind of just claim people and then go around and help them.
• 16:14
  Steph: It's not the formal, like here in the states, right?
• 16:18
  Steph: Like if you go to a restaurant or whatnot, there are assigned tables, and these are the tables.
• 16:24
  Steph: But here I think it's like first come, first serve.
• 16:28
  Steph: These are your territory or your people.
• 16:31
  Adam: Right.
• 16:32
  Adam: So, like you mentioned, parking was limited, it's all street parking or parallel parking.
• 16:38
  Adam: But the gentleman sort of kept a space open for us as we were turning around.
• 16:43
  Adam: He helped, yeah.
• 16:44
  Adam: And directed me a bit with parallel parking.
• 16:47
  Adam: And then, yes, like you said, I did pay him a few dollars, and I think that was also helpful just so that like our car didn't get broken into or robbed or something.
• 16:57
  Steph: Right.
• 16:57
  Steph: So, this guy, this is not our intent at all.
• 16:59
  Steph: But first, he definitely went out of his way to help us park.
• 17:03
  Steph: And I know it was obvious he wanted us to buy his services.
• 17:09
  Steph: We didn't do any of that.
• 17:11
  Steph: But you gave him some dollars, and um, yeah, mostly just to protect our car.
• 17:16
  Steph: Like, don't be mad at us that we're not utilizing your businesses.
• 17:21
  Steph: But he was really good.
• 17:23
  Steph: He was like very professional.
• 17:25
  Steph: He was like, here, follow me, and then he found us a good spot.
• 17:29
  Steph: And then I kind of was like, Wait, do I tip him more?
• 17:32
  Steph: Like, what am I doing?
• 17:33
  Steph: Like, because he wanted us to use his chairs, but we weren't.
• 17:36
  Steph: So we sat behind the their designated chairs and all that.
• 17:41
  Steph: But then he would often come, like, give us a thumbs up, like he was checking on our car, and he was checking on us throughout the whole time.
• 17:49
  Steph: So, I mean, that was nice.
• 17:50
  Steph: I was he took his job very serious, and I don't know what he thought his job was compared to what we thought his job was.
• 17:58
  Steph: We were just tipping him for helping us park.
• 18:02
  Adam: Well, I gave him some money because it did seem like the area where like you pay for protective services, like you pay a couple dollars to make sure nothing accidental happens today.
• 18:13
  Steph: Accidental, quote unquote.
• 18:15
  Steph: Yes.
• 18:16
  Adam: So, and then we were a typical tourist, right?
• 18:18
  Adam: We don't use any of the chairs or umbrellas, we didn't rent any equipment at that particular area.
• 18:23
  Adam: I guess we didn't really get any food or drink or anything like that either.
• 18:27
  Adam: Because we had our fill at Blackbeard's Castle.
• 18:29
  Adam: So the majority of time I think I was in the water pretty much the whole time.
• 18:35
  Steph: You were in the water pretty much the whole time.
• 18:37
  Steph: I love to do hair.
• 18:38
  Steph: I actually used to be a cosmetologist, it was seems like a lifetime ago.
• 18:43
  Steph: So obviously, I don't have any daughters, it's just me and a house full of men.
• 18:48
  Steph: But I love braiding my own hair or anyone else who lets me braid their hair.
• 18:52
  Steph: So I definitely did a lot of braids on myself while on vacation because it's easier to swim when your hair is braided.
• 18:59
  Steph: So uh my hair was pretty nicely braided, and a sweet lady came up to me and she complimented me on my braids, and she's like, Oh, you did so good.
• 19:08
  Steph: But she was like, Some of your boys have lawn hair, huh?
• 19:11
  Steph: All boys?
• 19:12
  Steph: And I was like, Yeah, all boys.
• 19:13
  Steph: And she's like, Should I braid their hair?
• 19:15
  Steph: And I was like, No.
• 19:16
  Steph: They were gonna have to go back to school soon, and their school would not be the kind of school that would be happy with braids or um ribbons and that sort of thing in their hair.
• 19:29
  Steph: I almost did it for myself just because that's fun and a very unique thing to do.
• 19:35
  Steph: Uh, but I told her no.
• 19:37
  Steph: And so we just moved on.
• 19:39
  Steph: But there's a lot of that kind of thing.
• 19:40
  Steph: People braiding hair, people selling jewelry.
• 19:44
  Steph: You give someone money and he would dance for you there on the beach.
• 19:49
  Adam: Yeah, see, I didn't have any ex exposure to this because I was in the water.
• 19:52
  Adam: I was in the water the entire time.
• 19:55
  Steph: Can I say I won't say what child it is, can I tell you the worst part of the whole beach experience?
• 20:01
  Adam: Well, it was the iguana, right?
• 20:03
  Steph: The iguana.
• 20:04
  Steph: We uh again did not pay for chairs, we did not pay for umbrellas.
• 20:09
  Steph: So we chose a spot underneath a tree.
• 20:13
  Steph: Little did we know that an umbrella iguana was above us and he peed on one of our children.
• 20:22
  Steph: And it wasn't just like a little trickle, it was like full on fountain.
• 20:29
  Steph: And the kid didn't realize what was happening at first.
• 20:31
  Steph: He's like, What in the world?
• 20:32
  Steph: And it was the stench of urine.
• 20:35
  Steph: And I was like, Oh no, buddy, like, go in the water, go get rinsed off.
• 20:40
  Steph: And he handled it so well.
• 20:42
  Steph: I'm so proud of this child.
• 20:44
  Steph: But he ran in the water and like dunked his head and was like washing himself in the ocean.
• 20:50
  Steph: And our stuff though was disgusting, and I'm so thankful that we had a washer and dryer at our unit because I washed had to wash so many things because the backpack, our blanket, everything smelled, and so if anyone's curious, iguana urine is extremely stinky, a lot of it, and it was not pleasant, but the kid handled it so well, and I just did my best to try to like act like it wasn't a big deal, and I'm so thankful.
• 21:22
  Steph: I got a little bit the splatter, but not I would have had a hard time if it poured straight on my head like it did that child.
• 21:32
  Adam: Indeed, yep.
• 21:33
  Adam: So I missed all this.
• 21:34
  Adam: I was still swimming.
• 21:36
  Steph: When did you find out?
• 21:37
  Steph: I can't remember what I told.
• 21:38
  Steph: I was trying to play it so cool because I knew if his brothers found out they would mock him endlessly.
• 21:43
  Steph: So I was trying to play it so chill.
• 21:46
  Steph: When did I tell you what happened?
• 21:48
  Adam: Yeah, I think it was when I came to get everybody so that we could go all go as a family to see the fish because there were a lot of fish at the coral reef that you can swim around.
• 21:58
  Adam: So I think that is when you mentioned it to me, sort of on the sly, and then we went about our business.
• 22:04
  Steph: So yeah, but it smelt really bad, huh?
• 22:06
  Steph: It did, yes.
• 22:10
  Adam: So again, Cookie Beach, not a huge beach from like the road to the water, so it was a narrow stream, narrow beach, very short walk, very short walk, and then it had a fairly large swimming area, so you could swim out into some of the deep water or around the shallows, and then the There was also a coral wee coral reef that you could swim above and around.
• 22:36
  Adam: And there were lots of different types of fish that you could see from there.
• 22:41
  Adam: And I don't think there was nearly anything besides fish.
• 22:45
  Adam: So we had already seen the sea turtles and some of the other fish and things like that.
• 22:50
  Adam: So Koki Beach was primarily fish.
• 22:53
  Adam: I don't recall seeing any stingrays or anything like that or turtles.
• 22:56
  Adam: I think it was primarily fish.
• 22:57
  Steph: And it's very populated.
• 22:58
  Steph: And we were there again at a very low season.
• 23:03
  Steph: Not a lot of people there.
• 23:05
  Steph: I can't even imagine how crowded it would be if it was high season.
• 23:10
  Steph: I don't know.
• 23:10
  Steph: That was crowded.
• 23:12
  Adam: It was crowded.
• 23:12
  Adam: I don't know if Cookie Beach is like a particular destination because it was sort of not one of the top beaches on a lot of the stops for like an excursion or something like that.
• 23:25
  Steph: Oh, okay.
• 23:25
  Steph: But they definitely have the setup for tourists.
• 23:29
  Steph: Like they are trying to I feel like locals aren't gonna buy all the tourists these days.
• 23:35
  Adam: I mean, I guess I don't know where they would park, or I guess they just drop people off and then pick them up or something like that.
• 23:40
  Adam: Or maybe they get special permission to park at the aquarium that is located.
• 23:45
  Adam: Oh yeah, it's right next door.
• 23:46
  Adam: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Adam: So maybe the buses are allowed to park there, and maybe that's like a two-for-one.
• 23:50
  Adam: People go to the aquarium thing and then the beach as well.
• 23:53
  Steph: Very much so, I think.
• 23:54
  Steph: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Adam: So that was the highlight of Kokie Beach was seeing all the fish, and basically the entire family was able to swim at the same time to go to the coral area on the edge of the coral reef and see all the fish.
• 24:06
  Steph: And we have a kid that said that he's got peed on by an iguana.
• 24:10
  Steph: I don't think that's a very common thing.
• 24:12
  Adam: That's probably pretty rare.
• 24:13
  Adam: And then, like I mentioned, the aquarium, which I can't remember the exact name of, but it was right next door.
• 24:20
  Adam: But we did not do that.
• 24:21
  Adam: I'm not even sure it was open.
• 24:23
  Steph: Um at some points they were, but I'm not sure at that moment.
• 24:26
  Steph: We did look into it.
• 24:28
  Steph: Pricing wasn't that expensive.
• 24:30
  Steph: But we actually have pretty good aquariums near us.
• 24:33
  Steph: Had our kids known the option, they probably would have wanted to do it.
• 24:39
  Steph: But you would not unilaterally decided we have plenty of other stuff.
• 24:43
  Steph: We're gonna save our money and do other things instead.
• 24:47
  Adam: That's right.
• 24:48
  Steph: So here it's nice.
• 24:49
  Adam: I'm sure it is, yeah.
• 24:50
  Adam: But I mean you could also like swim in the aquarium right next door.
• 24:53
  Adam: Yeah, right.
• 24:55
  Adam: So that's what we did.
• 24:56
  Adam: We saw the sea turtles on previous days and all the different kinds of fish this particular day, and then Stingrays were the next beach.
• 25:04
  Adam: Yes.
• 25:05
  Adam: So that was Kokie Beach, I think.
• 25:07
  Adam: Then we just packed up our things.
• 25:10
  Steph: Went home and did lots of laundry.
• 25:12
  Adam: Did lots of laundry, yes, because of the iguana.
• 25:14
  Adam: And did not have any issues with the car or anything like that.
• 25:19
  Adam: It was an easy departure and drive back to our rental unit.
• 25:23
  Steph: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Steph: Our side note that would not be applicable to most people is that we did go during school time, and this is our first year with our children in school, so they had homework to do.
• 25:35
  Steph: So that was our homework night.
• 25:37
  Steph: We got home and cleaned up, and then we spent the rest of the time doing some makeup homework they had missed because their peers are in school right now.
• 25:47
  Steph: And so that wasn't super fun because no one was excited about that, but it was necessary.
• 25:52
  Adam: That's true.
• 25:53
  Adam: So that was homework, makeup night, and then the following day was our final full day in St.
• 26:01
  Adam: Thomas, and then instead of having a adventure, quote unquote, we just did two beaches in our final day.
• 26:09
  Adam: So the first one was Linquist Beach.
• 26:13
  Steph: Yes.
• 26:13
  Steph: I'm trying to remember Linquist.
• 26:16
  Steph: Okay, you tell me.
• 26:17
  Steph: You couldn't remember Cokie.
• 26:19
  Steph: Now my thoughts on Linquist are blank.
• 26:21
  Adam: Well, I was now remembering, but we couldn't remember right off the bat if the Cokie Beach or Linquist Beach was the one with uh Stingray, but it was Linquist Beach.
• 26:34
  Steph: Yes, okay.
• 26:35
  Adam: So Linquist Beach is almost like a state park type beach.
• 26:42
  Adam: So you pay for parking, which was very nominal.
• 26:47
  Adam: I think it was like five or ten dollars or something like that.
• 26:49
  Adam: I think you would have to pay because if you had more adults, then it would cost more because something about like per person versus per car, right?
• 27:00
  Steph: Or whatever.
• 27:01
  Adam: Yeah, yes.
• 27:01
  Adam: But since it was two adults with all young kids, the kids were free, and then we paid for parking in the two adults.
• 27:07
  Adam: So it depends on if you have a larger group of adults, it may be more, but it was relatively inexpensive.
• 27:13
  Adam: It wasn't too bad.
• 27:16
  Adam: So you can drive down to the beach area, and that's what I did, and dropped you all off, and then drove back to the parking area, and then it's maybe you know 500 or a thousand feet walk, so it's not very far at all.
• 27:31
  Adam: And we're able to set up on the beach, and again, did not have any chairs or umbrellas or anything, and this place doesn't have vendors, so because it's more of a quote unquote state park, it is free of all those types of amenities, so there is no shops or restaurants or vendors or anything like that.
• 27:55
  Steph: But it had very nice bathrooms and showers, like it was very much what we would hear in the mainland states, I think of as like a beach.
• 28:04
  Steph: Like this is what I have experienced in the past, right?
• 28:06
  Steph: Like you have the very nice clean bathrooms and showers, and then you walk across the way and there's the beach, and then there's even a lifeguard there.
• 28:16
  Steph: That's true, which I think that's the first lifeguard we've seen the whole time.
• 28:20
  Adam: I guess if you can count them as a lifeguard.
• 28:22
  Adam: Well and there was a person on a stand.
• 28:25
  Adam: He was sitting there, yes, he was on his phone.
• 28:29
  Steph: I think if he was like basically napping at some point, like he was very not engaged, so um, but he was lifeguard on the at least there was a lifeguard booth that he was sitting on.
• 28:41
  Adam: Yes.
• 28:42
  Steph: So this I did enjoy the speech a lot.
• 28:45
  Steph: I don't know if it's because it was so much more similar to what I expect.
• 28:49
  Steph: I also this was a Saturday.
• 28:50
  Steph: I thought it would be busy, maybe with locals, at least.
• 28:54
  Steph: And again, we basically had the place ourselves, just a few people here and there.
• 28:58
  Adam: Yeah, there's a few people here and there.
• 29:00
  Adam: Again, a very narrow beach from like the road to the water, but then a very long beach with uh it went far out.
• 29:09
  Adam: War yes, and it went far out.
• 29:11
  Adam: You could swim pretty far out in this one.
• 29:13
  Steph: That's probably the farthest we could just swim, period, right?
• 29:16
  Adam: I think I may have gone out further on Sapphire.
• 29:20
  Adam: Okay.
• 29:20
  Adam: Which we have not gotten to yet.
• 29:22
  Adam: But yes, you could go pretty far out on Linquist Beach.
• 29:26
  Steph: So the biggest thing about Linquist Beach, like you were talking about the steam race, is you were out enjoying a lot of sea life with a couple of kids.
• 29:35
  Steph: And I had one kid that was more nervous.
• 29:38
  Steph: I was like, you know what?
• 29:39
  Steph: I'll go with you and I'll tug you.
• 29:42
  Steph: Because we had like little floaties.
• 29:44
  Steph: I was like, you sit on the boat floaty thing, and I will pull you out there.
• 29:49
  Steph: Because he felt unsafe.
• 29:51
  Steph: Like when you look down at the ground, this had a lot more seagrass on the bottom.
• 29:55
  Steph: It did and he was really nervous to touch the seagrass.
• 29:58
  Steph: So, like, you know, just sit on this and I'll pull you out.
• 30:02
  Steph: So I started to do that, and there was another person who started like frantically getting my attention and telling me to stop.
• 30:10
  Steph: So I stopped and I could not see what was happening.
• 30:15
  Steph: I didn't know what was going on, but I knew to stop, and he like signaled to go back, so I did.
• 30:21
  Steph: Little did I know there was a massive stingray.
• 30:25
  Steph: I was just about to approach.
• 30:27
  Steph: Yes, and I big that was this.
• 30:29
  Steph: I don't want to exaggerate, so tell us how big this scene was.
• 30:33
  Adam: Well, I mean, during the course of my swimming, which was before you attempted this, I had seen a smaller stingray, maybe two to three feet, and then I guess all this happened, and then I was searching for the stingray that you had seen and did find it, and it was somewhat difficult to see, and you had to stay back from it because it would basically stir up the seagrass, I think, right?
• 30:58
  Steph: As like a hunting methodology to like be able to it was really murky, like you couldn't see what was around there.
• 31:04
  Adam: Yes, but then like he would swim away and like do the same thing, but this thing ray was at least five feet from I think he would have done some damage had you upset him.
• 31:15
  Steph: And that's why the guy was like so paranoid about like telling me and the kids to stop and back up.
• 31:20
  Steph: Because I'm sure it'd be okay, but had we startled him and he felt attacked, we could have gotten hurt.
• 31:30
  Adam: Right, or if you stepped on him or something like that.
• 31:32
  Steph: Yeah, I still have no I couldn't see him.
• 31:36
  Steph: It was like it's shocking, but I believe him that he was there because later, farther away, I saw him.
• 31:42
  Steph: I was like, oh, that thing's huge.
• 31:44
  Adam: Yes, it was very large.
• 31:45
  Steph: So I have no idea how close I was to him, but from reactions, close.
• 31:50
  Adam: Yes.
• 31:50
  Adam: He was you were probably pretty close, and it was very large.
• 31:55
  Steph: So I'm thankful for other people looking out for us because I'm trying to convince my kids, like, come with me, we're safe, we're good.
• 32:02
  Steph: Oh man, I would have lost all credibility if one of us got hurt.
• 32:07
  Adam: That's true.
• 32:08
  Adam: And then that was not the only one.
• 32:10
  Adam: I think I saw later like a four-foot one.
• 32:12
  Adam: So there was quite a few stingrays in Linquest Beach.
• 32:15
  Adam: But aside from the seagrass, I think it had the best water quality and had some of the nicer areas that you could swim around.
• 32:23
  Adam: Because there were areas without seagrass that went out a decent amount and you could have visibility that was very clear and you could see.
• 32:30
  Steph: Out of all of St.
• 32:31
  Steph: Thomas, that was my favorite beach.
• 32:34
  Adam: Yeah, I think it would be my favorite beach as well on St.
• 32:37
  Adam: Thomas, right?
• 32:38
  Adam: Because honeymoon beach is still your all-time favorite.
• 32:41
  Steph: Go there, everyone.
• 32:42
  Steph: It's so good.
• 32:43
  Adam: Yes, that that was good for swimming and hanging out.
• 32:45
  Adam: But Linquist Beach, I think, had the best water clarity and some of the best snorkeling.
• 32:51
  Adam: Though see, it did not have any sea turtles or a ton of fish, but we did see um from afar dolphins.
• 32:59
  Adam: That's true.
• 33:00
  Adam: We did see dolphins.
• 33:01
  Steph: They're not super close, so it was like hard to none of the kids I think recognized it.
• 33:05
  Steph: We were like, Do you see that right there?
• 33:07
  Steph: You're trying to point from afar.
• 33:10
  Steph: But there definitely were dolphins that occasionally could see jump up and their spouts and all that.
• 33:16
  Adam: Yes, indeed.
• 33:17
  Adam: So that was Lingquist Beach, and then Sapphire Beach was our final beach.
• 33:22
  Steph: Not too far away.
• 33:23
  Steph: We went straight in the car to Sapphire.
• 33:26
  Adam: Yes, so we went from Lingquist to Sapphire, and that was a little bit difficult to find.
• 33:31
  Adam: I think we turned down a wrong road because it was poorly marked, and then we ended up in a ferry lane and had to turn around.
• 33:39
  Adam: And then we tried another road, and then I think that was the right one.
• 33:44
  Steph: So what happened in retrospect is the main road, the main gate to get there was closed.
• 33:53
  Steph: So your GPS didn't know that and it was telling us to go that way.
• 33:57
  Steph: Well, I figured it out by talking to some locals, and they had closed it.
• 34:02
  Steph: I don't know why.
• 34:02
  Steph: But so then we had to go through the hotel or the resort parking and tell them we're here for the state park, and they let us through for free.
• 34:12
  Steph: Because again, all state, all beach fronts are free access to everyone.
• 34:19
  Steph: So we had to just tell them that's what we were doing, and they had to let us park.
• 34:23
  Steph: There was a specific spot to park, it was all rocky and muddy and not enjoyable versus the resort parking that was obviously much nicer.
• 34:33
  Steph: And that's fine, they can upkeep their part.
• 34:37
  Steph: You don't have to upkeep the free stuff.
• 34:41
  Adam: Indeed.
• 34:41
  Adam: So, yeah, we parked and then found a spot on the beach, and this was the touristy beach.
• 34:46
  Steph: This is the beach everybody talks about.
• 34:49
  Steph: When you think about St.
• 34:50
  Steph: Thomas Sapphire Resort and Sapphire Beach is what people talk about.
• 34:57
  Adam: Yes, and Megan's Bay, which we didn't even go to because that would have been even more touristy.
• 35:01
  Adam: So this one has like the hotel right on the beach, it has a number of open-air restaurants and bars and things that you can rent for like water sports or snorkeling gear, or I think they even had like scuba and some of the underwater things that you ride, like in James Bond, where you get on the underwater scooter and things like that.
• 35:22
  Adam: And had a decent swimming area.
• 35:25
  Adam: There was a lot of people, I guess.
• 35:27
  Adam: This was like definitely the most populated.
• 35:29
  Steph: Again, it was not technically a crowded weekend, so I cannot imagine how crowded it could be.
• 35:36
  Steph: It was crowded.
• 35:39
  Adam: Yes.
• 35:39
  Adam: So this also had some coral reef areas and it had some maps where you could swim or had to go around and things like that.
• 35:49
  Adam: And I think this one in my memory is the one that had like the furthest swim out because like if you swam the entire way out, it was actually like being in the ocean.
• 35:58
  Adam: Oh, it wasn't like just a bay or like the calm Caribbean surf.
• 36:03
  Adam: It was like you're in the ocean now.
• 36:05
  Adam: Okay.
• 36:05
  Steph: You and our oldest did that.
• 36:07
  Adam: Well, we he went out like halfway.
• 36:09
  Adam: I went out the whole way.
• 36:10
  Steph: Okay.
• 36:10
  Steph: You I did not go far.
• 36:12
  Adam: Yeah, and I was like, they can't go out the whole way.
• 36:14
  Steph: Oh, okay.
• 36:15
  Adam: Because it was it was wavy and it was a decent amount of work to swim around in the water that far out.
• 36:22
  Steph: I didn't realize, yeah, how far you'd gone or how far he did.
• 36:26
  Steph: I know you guys went out together, so okay.
• 36:27
  Steph: So you wouldn't let him go all the way, or did he get tired and kind of stop?
• 36:33
  Adam: Uh, if he was wearing fins, he probably could do it.
• 36:35
  Adam: But like, yeah, it was it was a lot of work.
• 36:38
  Steph: My general role this whole trip was once he got cold, there was a specific spot in pretty much every beach that got cold.
• 36:46
  Steph: And I was like, I'm done.
• 36:49
  Steph: I don't want to go any farther.
• 36:51
  Steph: And so I would go back.
• 36:53
  Steph: But I liked the warmer water, but there was a drastic difference in like every beach from the cold to the warm.
• 37:02
  Adam: That's true.
• 37:03
  Adam: So, and then uh I guess that was pretty much all that we did there, right?
• 37:07
  Adam: We just did some of the swimming, they had some fish around the coral reef and everything like that.
• 37:12
  Steph: We got you bought everyone's sodas, and you bought us both uh adult drink, and that was the best, one of the best adult drinks I maybe have ever had.
• 37:22
  Steph: It was so good.
• 37:24
  Adam: Yes, it was good.
• 37:25
  Steph: Remember, I was like, this is exactly when I think about getting an adult beverage in a tropical island.
• 37:31
  Steph: This is what I picture.
• 37:32
  Adam: That's true.
• 37:33
  Steph: So, I mean, I'm not a connoisseur by any sense, but that was I fully appreciated that and was loving that.
• 37:41
  Adam: Indeed.
• 37:42
  Adam: Yeah, I think that was one of the better ones that we had among our trips and all the different places that we went.
• 37:48
  Steph: And the kids got, yeah, bottled soda and they were so happy.
• 37:51
  Adam: Yes.
• 37:52
  Adam: Cans of soda, right?
• 37:53
  Steph: Cans of soda, yeah.
• 37:54
  Steph: Yes.
• 37:54
  Steph: And there were the cans.
• 37:57
  Adam: Yeah, they got bottles of soda at the airport.
• 37:59
  Adam: I'm saving that story for the final final story of our trip.
• 38:02
  Steph: Sorry.
• 38:02
  Steph: I'm trying to picture it.
• 38:03
  Steph: I'm not trying to ruin your surprise.
• 38:05
  Steph: Yeah, so that was good.
• 38:07
  Steph: Lots of iguanas there too.
• 38:09
  Steph: But no one peed on us, but our one child very much was concerned about that and refused to go by the blanket at all.
• 38:18
  Steph: He stayed in the ocean the entire time because he did not want to get peed on.
• 38:22
  Adam: Yep.
• 38:23
  Steph: And this water, this ground, just to warn everyone, even though it's the most one of the most torusy, is extremely rocky.
• 38:32
  Adam: Yes, it was rocky.
• 38:33
  Adam: Like at the shallows, once you got out.
• 38:38
  Steph: Yeah, I didn't go far.
• 38:39
  Adam: Yeah, once you got out, it was sandy, but then again, it was the seagrass stuff, and once you go further out, then you can't even touch anyway.
• 38:45
  Steph: So yeah, I mean that was somewhere we really needed our water shoes because if that would be so painful to walk on all that rocky, pokey stuff.
• 38:55
  Adam: Yes.
• 38:55
  Adam: So that was Sapphire Beach.
• 38:58
  Adam: I think it was good.
• 38:59
  Adam: That was definitely the most touristy, but so which beach from all of St.
• 39:04
  Steph: Thomas was your favorite?
• 39:06
  Adam: Yeah, they all had very different things.
• 39:08
  Adam: I think Linquist Beach, just because of the privacy, yeah, and it felt just more controlled.
• 39:16
  Adam: I didn't have to worry about vendors or you know people around that it was just more private and the swimming was good and it's all the sea life, and that probably had would be my best overall beach.
• 39:29
  Adam: But honeymoon beach was good for just hanging out, relaxing, and probably the best family beach, I would say.
• 39:37
  Steph: Yeah, if I had to go anywhere, for sure, honeymoon beach.
• 39:40
  Steph: But that's on Water Island, you have to take a boat there.
• 39:43
  Steph: Right.
• 39:43
  Steph: On St.
• 39:45
  Steph: Thomas itself, if you can only go to one beach, I would for sure go to Linquist only.
• 39:50
  Steph: Like if I had one day or on a cruise, I'd go to Linquist.
• 39:55
  Adam: Yes, Linquist.
• 39:56
  Adam: There you go.
• 39:58
  Steph: So if you want culture, if you're wanting to get your hair braided, if you're wanting to purchase some substances, you know, there's other beaches to do all that.
• 40:10
  Adam: Right.
• 40:11
  Steph: If you're just wanting to go see sea animals and enjoy the water, lingquist.
• 40:16
  Adam: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 40:17
  Adam: But I mean, it depends what sea animals you want to see, because Brewers Bay is known for the sea turtles.
• 40:22
  Adam: That's true.
• 40:22
  Adam: And that's right next to the airport in the marina.
• 40:26
  Adam: So and I could have ended up in Sun by uh a Stingray and Linquist.
• 40:32
  Adam: That's true.
• 40:33
  Steph: That's true.
• 40:34
  Steph: That's I from concerning onlookers, I was close.
• 40:40
  Steph: And so I'm gonna take their attitudes as assuming that I was pretty close.
• 40:49
  Adam: And then if you need full service restaurants and drinks and bars, then Sapphire Beach is the one.
• 40:56
  Steph: Yeah.
• 40:57
  Steph: If you just want to sit there and fully enjoy all that, go there.
• 41:03
  Adam: Indeed.
• 41:04
  Adam: So that was our final full day on St.
• 41:08
  Adam: Thomas.
• 41:09
  Adam: So we ended our time at Sapphire Beach and went back to the Rhinal Uton and cleaned up, packed up, and ate all our remaining food, essentially, from a grocery store visit that we talked about last time.
• 41:21
  Adam: Yep.
• 41:22
  Adam: And then the next day we basically had a relatively early flight.
• 41:27
  Adam: Again, not necessarily any rush, but we did not really do anything except clean up and leave the following day for the airport.
• 41:37
  Steph: Yeah, you have to go through customs, which we knew.
• 41:42
  Adam: Yes, this sounds like uh another good story, along with my soda story, that perhaps we will get into in part five.
• 41:49
  Steph: Okay.
• 41:50
  Adam: I think so, because we're long enough.
• 41:51
  Steph: I think it's good.
• 41:53
  Adam: Yes.
• 41:53
  Adam: Sounds good.
• 41:54
  Adam: That's our recap of our final three beaches and the word Coriolis.
• 42:00
  Steph: Sounds good.
• 42:01
  Steph: All right, we'll talk about the rest later.
• 42:04
  Adam: Indeed, probably next time.
• 42:06
  Adam: Part five after all.
• 42:08
  Adam: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time.
• 42:11
  Adam: Remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.