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Texas police chief BUSTED for fake 'annulment,' juggling 7 women 'in the 'line of duty' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Over twenty years as a lawman, Medal a Valor, four children,
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Speaker 1: and now this married a lawman is busted for not
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Speaker 1: a double life, but a triple life, maybe even a
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Speaker 1: quadruple life. Oh, somebody is going to jail. Before becoming
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Speaker 1: police chief, Jason Collier was awarded the Medal of Valor
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Speaker 1: by the State of Texas in twenty sixteen. This was
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Speaker 1: for helping save the life of a fellow officer. Tonight
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Speaker 1: he's at the center of a criminal investigation. A woman
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Speaker 1: who says she was a Collier's fiance is now warning
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Speaker 1: a small Texas town there Now former chief is living
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Speaker 1: a double life? Is it a crime to cheat? Is
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Speaker 1: it a crime to have one wife then divorce marion
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Speaker 1: other wife, then get engaged, then have a girlfriend. What
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Speaker 1: And that's just the tip of the iceberg that we
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Speaker 1: know about right now. With me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: And yes, there are criminal charges brewing, something about forged
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Speaker 1: documents allegedly with me former prosecutor turn defense attorney Darryl
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Speaker 1: Cohen with Cohen Cooper, Estep and Allen at cca L
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Speaker 1: Law dot com. Renowned Psychoana's joining me out of Beverly
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Speaker 1: Hills is doctor Bethany Marshall. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. She's a star of a
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Speaker 1: new Netflix show, Bling Empire. Former police chief johns Creek
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Speaker 1: twenty five years on the fours now PI at Chris
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Speaker 1: Bias Investigations and polygraph dot Com, Crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Levi Page, host of Crime and Scandal Troop,
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Speaker 1: True Crime prodcast and special guests. Are joining us today
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Speaker 1: Debbie Montgomery Johnson. Now listen to this about Debbie Montgomery Johnson,
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Speaker 1: US Air Force veteran former intelligence officer at the Pentagon,
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Speaker 1: author of The Woman Behind a Smile. You can find
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Speaker 1: that on Amazon, and also was defrauded out of about
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Speaker 1: a million dollars by a pos that's a technical legal term,
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Speaker 1: man that wooed her and convinced her of all sorts
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Speaker 1: of lies. This woman an intelligence officer with the Pentagon.
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Speaker 1: So if it could happen to her, what does that
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Speaker 1: say for the rest of us? Jackie, I'm married off
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Speaker 1: the market, but you have trouble. I mean, what have
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Speaker 1: you run into this year? The police chief? Okay, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Jason Collier has been married twice and has four children,
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Speaker 1: two with his ex wife and two with his current wife. Opal.
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Speaker 1: The thirty nine year old has worked in several Texas
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Speaker 1: police departments in a variety of positions. He's been an officer,
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Speaker 1: a detective, and twice named a chief of police, once
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Speaker 1: in the Sunray Police Department for a very short period
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Speaker 1: of time, and then the Stenate Police Department. He has
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Speaker 1: more than twenty one years of law enforcement experience. He's
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Speaker 1: also a State of Texas Medal of Valor recipient. He
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Speaker 1: was awarded the honor during his time in the city
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Speaker 1: of Pampa. During a standoff, Callier and two other officers
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Speaker 1: helped drag a wounded officer to safety. Callier rounds out
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Speaker 1: his resume with this, he is an ordained minister. Okay,
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Speaker 1: they just had to get that in at the end.
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Speaker 1: He's also an ordained minister. Okay. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: really know where to stop, but let the start. Let
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Speaker 1: me just start with Levipay's crime online dot com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: the former State Police Department chief Jason Collier. He's thirty nine.
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Speaker 1: He's just thirty nine, and he's done all this already
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Speaker 1: taken into custody on Thursday after his alleged girlfriend accused
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Speaker 1: him of cheating. You know what, it's not a pretty picture,
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Speaker 1: but as far as I know, Levi Page, cheating on
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Speaker 1: your girlfriend is not a felony. What happened, well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's not the issue. It's what he did to his
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Speaker 1: girlfriend when he was cheating on her. So he sent
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Speaker 1: her a text message he's married, and it was a
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Speaker 1: fraudulent government record and annulment and it was forged it
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Speaker 1: with faith and that is a crime in the state
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Speaker 1: of Texas well, just so you know, that's a crime
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Speaker 1: anywhere to forge a court document. Let me understand this,
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Speaker 1: Levi Page. The allegation is, I'm sure he's denying it
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Speaker 1: that he showed via text the girlfriend or the fiace
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Speaker 1: or one of the women he's got on the string,
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Speaker 1: and annulment from his second wife, and it's not real,
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Speaker 1: it's fake, correct, And that the charge that he's facing
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Speaker 1: is tampering with a government record to defraud our arm.
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Speaker 1: He's out on bond, but he was arrested. The bond
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Speaker 1: was ten thousand dollars and in texts of a person
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Speaker 1: that's convicted of that Nancy. It's a felony. They face
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty days to two years behind bars.
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Speaker 1: That'll be fun, okay. Now the charge is faking a
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Speaker 1: government document. Guys, take a listen to our cut one.
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Speaker 1: This is Cassie Stanford KF dat V. Mrila if Senetta
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Speaker 1: says Police Chief Jason Collier has been placed on administrative leave.
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Speaker 1: In a statement, the city says it's aware of the
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Speaker 1: current situation surrounding Collier, and although they won't specifically comment
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Speaker 1: on what he's being investigated for, they say they're taking
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Speaker 1: the situation seriously and are looking into any violations of
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Speaker 1: city policy. Collier became the police chief last February. He
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Speaker 1: came to the department with twenty one years of law
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Speaker 1: enforcement experience. The chief buyers with me former Chief John's
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Speaker 1: Creek Chris Buyers twenty five years as a police officer.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chief, I've dealt with a lot of cops.
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Speaker 1: I mean, day in, day out, Atlanta PD, detectives, Fulton
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Speaker 1: County sheriffs, caught from all over the world, really flying
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Speaker 1: in on some of our cases. Experts and you know what,
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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of cheap and cops. But this
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Speaker 1: really takes the cake. Chief. This guy is a police chief.
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Speaker 1: What how did he think he could hide all those women? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: once you become that position of police chief, it's everything
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Speaker 1: that you do comes into like you have to really
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Speaker 1: live above board, as you should as a police officer
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Speaker 1: all the time, but especially when you step into that
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Speaker 1: top cop role. You're a target for everybody and you
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Speaker 1: need to be above board. And all I can say is,
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Speaker 1: you know this department from looking at their statistics, a
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Speaker 1: very small department, which which concerns me too of how
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Speaker 1: much of a background investigation they do? You know, are
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Speaker 1: they doing psychologicals? Are they doing are they doing polygraphs
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Speaker 1: on their applicants? I mean it should not be somehow
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Speaker 1: are you somehow trying to blame the government for letting
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Speaker 1: him be police chief? What they didn't vet him enough?
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Speaker 1: I think the vetting didn't go below the belt, if
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Speaker 1: you understand what I'm meaning. I don't think they checked
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Speaker 1: that part of his anatomy out. Debbie Montgomery Johnson with me.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you and doctor Bethany have
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Speaker 1: to say about this. I mean, Debbie, you are former
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Speaker 1: intelligence with a Pentagon and got defrauded of about a
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Speaker 1: million dollars from a guy, a lying guy. What do
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Speaker 1: you have to say about this? It happens, and it's
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Speaker 1: really unfortunate. And I'm looking at this from the law
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Speaker 1: enforcement man im uniform, position of trust, position of power,
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Speaker 1: and the deceit. It can happen to the best of us,
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Speaker 1: and I just I feel terrible for her, But from
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Speaker 1: a victim, as a victim's advocate, I don't want her
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Speaker 1: to apologize for speaking up. And I think that's where
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Speaker 1: I was a little bit graped, is that when I
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Speaker 1: saw her apologizing, I'm like, NoHo apologize. I didn't hear
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Speaker 1: anybody who apologized. I read that. I think it Sisily
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Speaker 1: was apologizing for outing this, and I'm like, don't apologize.
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Speaker 1: This has to it has to happen. And okay, wait wait,
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Speaker 1: I totally respect you, Dabby, but I need a shrink
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Speaker 1: right now. Explain she's right. She's right, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: One of these women apologized for outing this lowdown sheeting
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Speaker 1: p O s. Okay, they apologize for outing him? How
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Speaker 1: did he get so? Bass Ackwards Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about not just a cop but the
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Speaker 1: chief of Police Stinant, the Stenant Police Department Chief thirty
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Speaker 1: nine year old Jason Collier, correct me if I'm wrong, LEVI,
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Speaker 1: but he had the one wife, then the second wife
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Speaker 1: that's legal, then a girlfriend that's legal, then a fiance
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Speaker 1: that's legal. Still nobody's committed a crime until the allegation
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Speaker 1: that he frauded faked an annulment from the second wife.
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Speaker 1: I guess it showed to his girlfriend that he was free.
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Speaker 1: That is that what he's charged with. You're correct, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And just to catch our listeners up. Sicily Stimmet is
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Speaker 1: the woman that went to Facebook and she posted I'm
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Speaker 1: engaged at Jason Collier. She was very happy. She went
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Speaker 1: to bed at night, woke up the next morning, got
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Speaker 1: a message from one of her friends and said he
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Speaker 1: is married. I'm friends with his wife on Facebook. She
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Speaker 1: confronted him, she said, you're married. How could you do
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Speaker 1: this to me? And that's when he sent her this
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Speaker 1: fake annulment documentary. Okay, lev you got me to drinking
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Speaker 1: from the fire hydrant here. It's just too much at once.
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Speaker 1: Tell me that again. This is like the best details
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Speaker 1: so far. Let me understand this. The fiance Cecily Steinmetz,
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Speaker 1: thirty nine year old Amarillo woman on January twenty six
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Speaker 1: post on Facebook, we're engaged? Right? Is that how it happened? Yes?
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Speaker 1: And a friend of her said I'm friends with his
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Speaker 1: wife on Facebook. He is married and she she confronted him.
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Speaker 1: He said the marriage is annulled. He sent her this
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Speaker 1: fake document. I knowed. Wait wait wait wait wait, I knowed.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what the two children have to say about that.
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Speaker 1: Hold On Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney, renowned
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Speaker 1: practices all over the country. Cohen, how can you get married?
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Speaker 1: And this guy, as Crime Online pointed out, is an
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Speaker 1: ordained minister? How can you get married, have two children
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Speaker 1: with your wife and then get an annulment? Can somebody
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Speaker 1: tell me about that? Because I'm an Now, how do
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Speaker 1: you do that? Absolutely, you live in an alternative universe,
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Speaker 1: and you, in your own mind go one place, and
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Speaker 1: you in your body and everyone else goes in another.
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Speaker 1: On Nancy, he is so embroiled in his lies that
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Speaker 1: he has to make up a story to cover all
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Speaker 1: of his lives. So what I tell all of my clients,
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Speaker 1: all of them. If you tell the truth, you don't
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Speaker 1: have to remember what you said, and you clearly don't
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Speaker 1: have to worry about Facebook or Twitter or any other
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Speaker 1: social media whereby when you tell a lie it gets
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Speaker 1: their folks. And this guy is just playing stupid. He
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Speaker 1: probably needs to be psychlo that's true. But objaction your honor?
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Speaker 1: My question, do you, Daryl? That's not responsive to the question.
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Speaker 1: The question was how can you get married, have two
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Speaker 1: children with your wife and then get an annoyment? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm a Methodist. We don't really do annulments that much.
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Speaker 1: Don't you do that in the Catholic Church? Okay? How
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Speaker 1: do you get an annulment with two children? Looking at you? What?
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Speaker 1: Every law, every law I know of, says, once you've
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Speaker 1: consummated the marriage, and I believe two children, he may
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Speaker 1: have sex. I do once you've had sex, and of
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Speaker 1: course if there's one child, and then you double that
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Speaker 1: and you have two children. Annulments may happen in the
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Speaker 1: future for a different spouse, but not for this one.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, So when he's called on it, have
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Speaker 1: you ever seen, doctor Bethany people get caught in a
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Speaker 1: lie and then they come up with another lie and
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Speaker 1: another Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I was married to her.
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Speaker 1: But now we're annulled. Now here's here's my enormous say.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to text it to you. He just comes
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Speaker 1: up with another fabrication, Nancy. Okay, we know Daryl Cohen
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Speaker 1: is a man, and he just used a couple of phrases.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure too, So just keep that in Yes,
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Speaker 1: that he shouldn't lie, and he lives in an alternative
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Speaker 1: universe and he needs to be psychoanalyzed. That's that the
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Speaker 1: man who cheats and says it didn't mean anything to me.
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Speaker 1: Those coots are so trite. Let's get to the heart
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Speaker 1: of it. I would imagine if you look into the
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Speaker 1: psyche of this man, he is the type of guy
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Speaker 1: who had firm control or over each of these three women.
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Speaker 1: Otherwise how he could he get away with three separate lives.
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Speaker 1: So I'm very interested in double lives. We see men
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Speaker 1: in my practice and women who do have double lives.
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Speaker 1: Usually it's a man, I hate to say it. Women
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Speaker 1: have double lives. Usually it's they're running up the credit card,
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Speaker 1: whether husbands at work. So it's not a sexual double life,
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Speaker 1: or it's in a romantic double life, but it's never
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Speaker 1: a complete life with another man, which is what Collier
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Speaker 1: is doing. I think he's the kind of guy who
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Speaker 1: had each woman under his firm control. They couldn't have friends,
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Speaker 1: they couldn't go out. Remember one of the women visited
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Speaker 1: him at work. She asked to meet his coworkers, and
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Speaker 1: he said, I wouldn't. I don't like those bitches, something
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Speaker 1: like that. So he discouraged her from meeting other people
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Speaker 1: in his life, kept each life circumscribed. I thought those
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Speaker 1: women didn't even have friends, and yet he's going out
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Speaker 1: and doing whatever he wants to do. That's sociopathy. This
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Speaker 1: is not well. He probably did that. Let me tell
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Speaker 1: this to you. Debbie Montgomery Johnson, they author of The
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Speaker 1: Woman Behind the Smile dot com that's available on Amazon. Debbie,
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on what doctor Bethany's saying
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Speaker 1: that he had tight control over these women. I think
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Speaker 1: realistically speaking, practically speaking, he did not want their whorlds
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Speaker 1: to collide or even intersect, and they only intersected when
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Speaker 1: the new fiance posted on Facebook. His wife may have
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Speaker 1: never met the fiance, neither of them may have ever
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Speaker 1: meant the girl. I guess what the girl he had
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Speaker 1: a lover on the side. Okay, I don't know where
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Speaker 1: he got the energy, but that's not the question. I
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Speaker 1: don't think he thought those lives would intersect. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: he didn't because they're in different places. You know, the
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Speaker 1: women were not in the same town and for the
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Speaker 1: most part, and an online you presume that no one's
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Speaker 1: going to know who you are. But again on mine,
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Speaker 1: everybody in the world can know who you are. And
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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's his biggest mistake was that, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: pictures taken with these women, and it was silly for
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Speaker 1: him not to have thought it. You know who else
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Speaker 1: Scott in trouble over a picture Scott Peterson. Remember Lacy Peterson,
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Speaker 1: nine months pregnant, had her feet up at a Christmas
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Speaker 1: party she had to go to alone. And then a
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Speaker 1: photo emerges of Scott Peterson with a Santa han On
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Speaker 1: with his hand on Amber Fry's rare end in a
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Speaker 1: red satin, gorgeous dress that came back to haunt him.
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Speaker 1: Why do people take pictures of their wrong doings? That's
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Speaker 1: a whole other psychopathy. I want to make a note
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Speaker 1: on that for you, doctor Bethany, but I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to Vania Patino W B. RC
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Speaker 1: Fox six R Cut seventeen. Listen. It all started with
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Speaker 1: this picture. Cecilia was ready and happy to make her
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Speaker 1: relationship official by sharing it to her family and on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: She went to sleep that night, not thinking that post
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Speaker 1: would turn everything into a nightmare. And then I woke
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Speaker 1: up the next morning to a text from a very
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Speaker 1: good friend. She said, Okay, I know where I know
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Speaker 1: I'm from. She goes, I'm friends completely shocked, she could
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Speaker 1: not believe it, as they had spend so much time together.
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Speaker 1: This is a ring video of one of the many
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Speaker 1: times she says he would visit her while still on
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Speaker 1: the clock. Not only that, but she says he had
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Speaker 1: met her family, had their picture up in his office,
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Speaker 1: and even went as far as asking her to pick
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Speaker 1: out an engagement ring. Wow, you were just hearing from
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Speaker 1: our friends at w BRC Fox six. I'm just thinking,
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Speaker 1: how did he pull that off? To you? Chief buyers.
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Speaker 1: So he's got her picture up at the office, but
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Speaker 1: yet he doesn't really allow all the women to come
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Speaker 1: to his office that much. He met her her family,
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Speaker 1: I bet she didn't meet his and had even asked
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Speaker 1: her to pick out an engagement ring. Isn't that something
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Speaker 1: you do together or no, no, doesn't the guy pick
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Speaker 1: out the engagement ring and present it or you pick
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Speaker 1: it out together. It's not hey, hey baby, go swing
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Speaker 1: by Walmart and pick up an engagement ring, okay, and
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Speaker 1: I'll pay for it. I didn't think that's how it
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Speaker 1: was supposed to work, cheap buyers, and that's how it
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Speaker 1: worked for me. I went and picked it out and
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Speaker 1: gave it to you to my wife. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: just thinking about pictures in his office. I mean, all
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Speaker 1: I can think is he had different pictures of each
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Speaker 1: of the women in his life and had to, you know,
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Speaker 1: put him on his desk depending on what was going on.
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Speaker 1: That David Man just absolutely ridiculous. You know, this is
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Speaker 1: totally gonna be a lifetime movie. I can just see
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Speaker 1: it coming because of what you just said. I could
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Speaker 1: just see him arranging his office as soon as one
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Speaker 1: leaves and the other one is coming in. You know.
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Speaker 1: Debbie Montgomery jos and US Air Force Vett, former intelligence
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Speaker 1: officer at the Pentagon. You can find her the woman
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Speaker 1: behind the Smile dot com. It's also on Amazon. Debbi,
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Speaker 1: how did the guy that defrauded you out of a
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Speaker 1: million dollars do it? What? About him made you believe him. Oh,
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Speaker 1: everything about him. You know, I lost my husband and
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Speaker 1: I was home alone, and he became my lifeline. I
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Speaker 1: was very isolated. I ran in my own company from
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Speaker 1: the house, and he became Like I said, he became
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Speaker 1: my life. He was the guy that I was online
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Speaker 1: with for hours every day. When I would question something,
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Speaker 1: he would always have a plausible answer. When I asked
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Speaker 1: my girlfriends and they're like, oh, don't, don't, don't, or
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Speaker 1: my kids don't, don't don't. I went to him and
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Speaker 1: he said, deb this is ABCND and he always had
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Speaker 1: a really good answer. And like I said, he became
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Speaker 1: my life, became part of my family. And with becoming
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Speaker 1: part of my family, I trusted him. I had no
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Speaker 1: reason not to trust. I didn't know that there were
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Speaker 1: online scammers back then, and I've certainly changed over the years.
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Speaker 1: But they isolate you from your friends and family and
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Speaker 1: don't want you to and don't let them. They stayers
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Speaker 1: take over your life. Because he's very positive. He was
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Speaker 1: giving me everything I wanted to hear, everything you know
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Speaker 1: that I wanted to see, and the hope that I
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Speaker 1: would have a future again with another man. And so
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Speaker 1: that's how they do it. They just really in and
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Speaker 1: it's the grooming period and you want to feel loved
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Speaker 1: by something like that. And today especially we're looking for
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Speaker 1: companionship and it's only online in a lot of places,
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Speaker 1: and it's very dangerous right now Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the chief of police there, instant
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Speaker 1: Jason Collier. He is in a whole heap of trouble
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Speaker 1: women trouble. You know that is really negating the intent
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Speaker 1: behind us because now he's looking at a felony of
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Speaker 1: defrauding a woman in the sense that he allegedly faked
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Speaker 1: an annulment to keep up his double and triple life.
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Speaker 1: Jackie is waving a sign at me that she thinks
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Speaker 1: there are at least seven women involved. You mean all
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Speaker 1: at the same time. Yes, that's juggling seven at the
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Speaker 1: same time. You know, no offense ly by page. But
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Speaker 1: I think you left out of you because you've only
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Speaker 1: told me about three. But hold on, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut eighteen. This is Vanilla Patino w b
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Speaker 1: RC Fox Listen. I asked him, you know, well, how
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Speaker 1: could you do this? And he's like, I said, you
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Speaker 1: just met my family and everything. I said, so, why
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Speaker 1: are you doing this? He's like, no, babe, No, He's like,
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Speaker 1: do you think I would actually meet your family and
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Speaker 1: your kids? You know, if I weren't serious, you know,
21:57
Speaker 1: and if I were married, and again made me feel
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Speaker 1: bad for questioning him. She confronted him about the marriage
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Speaker 1: and he claimed he was divorced. He even showed her
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Speaker 1: this document scene it was the annulment. After she made
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Speaker 1: a public records request, she found out it was a
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Speaker 1: fake document and that is what beget an investigation and
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Speaker 1: ultimately left to his arrest. Just like Debbie Montgomery, Johnson
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Speaker 1: was saying the woman behind the smile dot com defound
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Speaker 1: out of a million dollars, there would always be an answer.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall A why do people take incriminating photos
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Speaker 1: of themselves like Scott Peterson, like this guy. You know,
22:38
Speaker 1: there's the photo they're getting engaged. Bam, it's out there
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Speaker 1: at number one. And how do they always have an answer?
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Speaker 1: Like when the fiance, I guess you could call her
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Speaker 1: fiance although legally she's not questioned him. He came up
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Speaker 1: with a fake annulment document. According to police. Yes see,
22:59
Speaker 1: because they're manipulative. You know, think about it like a
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Speaker 1: four or five year old child who wants a lollipop
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Speaker 1: or something like that. They're going to come up with
23:08
Speaker 1: every answer in the book for mommy to get that lollipop,
23:11
Speaker 1: because they only have one goal in mind. And for
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Speaker 1: any of your listeners out there who are dating somebody
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Speaker 1: who begins by idealization, putting them on a pedestal telling
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Speaker 1: them that they're better than any other person that they
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Speaker 1: have ever met, the most beautiful, the most incredible. Then
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Speaker 1: they start to isolate them from family and friends. And
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Speaker 1: then when the woman starts to question, you know, little
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Speaker 1: discrepancies or things that don't add up, they have immediate answers.
23:43
Speaker 1: When there's a quality of always being maneuvered by the
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Speaker 1: other person. Booth then signed that you might be falling
23:51
Speaker 1: victim to a scam. And of course the fourth trait is,
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Speaker 1: you know they once had a fortune, but now they've
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Speaker 1: lost it. They have a huge inheritance in England, but
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Speaker 1: all these horrible family members are keeping them from getting
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Speaker 1: the inheritance. So they just need a little loan to
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Speaker 1: tide them over. You know, these kinds of things. Also,
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Speaker 1: the fact that the world doesn't understand them. They can't
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Speaker 1: introduce you to other people in their life because they
24:22
Speaker 1: have horrible people surrounding them who don't understand them. So
24:25
Speaker 1: they're going to segregate themselves and you from everybody else.
24:30
Speaker 1: So you're on your own little island. Yeahs, take a
24:33
Speaker 1: listen again to our friends at w b RC Fox six.
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Speaker 1: I felt a large amount of trust due to his position.
24:41
Speaker 1: She decided to end the relationship and move on, but
24:43
Speaker 1: says she later found out he had also been dating
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Speaker 1: another woman while he was with her. I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1: I would never dream you know that there was a
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Speaker 1: whole another person, I mean a whole another person that
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Speaker 1: he was engaged to. She says she did not think
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Speaker 1: it was right for the chief police to feel so
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Speaker 1: comfortable lying, and decided to post her story on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: Little did she know at least seven other women would
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Speaker 1: also claim they were in a relationship with him. Okay,
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Speaker 1: leave page. You've totally been holding out on me. Seven women.
25:17
Speaker 1: But how many engagements does he have? I thought this
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Speaker 1: was a real I would I have to go back
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Speaker 1: to the shrink on this one. In a moment, the
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Speaker 1: woman says, Okay, the wife is one thing, but he
25:29
Speaker 1: couldn't believe he had another girlfriend. Well, how can how
25:33
Speaker 1: can you accept that there's a wife or maybe she
25:36
Speaker 1: didn't know at all? Who knew about what? And where
25:39
Speaker 1: does the number seven come in? After Cecily Steinmitzen put
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Speaker 1: her post on Facebook, she was contacted by another woman
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Speaker 1: named Christie Shafer. The post say she was engaged or
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Speaker 1: the post telling the story telling the story note that
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Speaker 1: she was engaged. She when she posted her story, she
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Speaker 1: talked about Christie Schaefer, who also said she was engaged
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Speaker 1: as well. So there were two engagements. And then there
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Speaker 1: was another woman that came forward. Her name is Angie
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Speaker 1: Cocktail Bauman, and she said that his behavior dates back
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Speaker 1: to two thousand and seven because she was with him
26:23
Speaker 1: when he was married as well, and she found out
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Speaker 1: that he was married and left him. That still doesn't
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Speaker 1: equal seven. Where is the number seven coming from other
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Speaker 1: women that commented and have come forward on social media?
26:37
Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven, Well, I want the fiances and the
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Speaker 1: wife to take heart. It's not them. If an intelligence
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Speaker 1: officer at the Pentagon can get duped by a guy
26:52
Speaker 1: to the chune of a million dollars, I mean it
26:57
Speaker 1: can happen to her, it can happen to anybody now,
27:03
Speaker 1: proving that I want you to hear Mike hole Field
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Speaker 1: at New six Orlando. Think you'll ever find him? No.
27:12
Speaker 1: I wish to god I could PostScript from a once
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Speaker 1: wealthy widow. I went through my bank statements and it
27:17
Speaker 1: was two hundred and seventy thousand dollars. You love this guy? Yeah,
27:22
Speaker 1: and he told me he was in love with me,
27:24
Speaker 1: looking for a real relationship. They met on match dot com.
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Speaker 1: on match and they're happily married. And so I didn't
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Speaker 1: have any reason to question it. You thought this was it.
27:39
Speaker 1: She knew him as Jerry Michael aka Darnell Michael. Diane
27:43
Speaker 1: says he told her he was a divorced German CEO
27:46
Speaker 1: of a California construction project. This is the only voice
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Speaker 1: message she saved, h Graham, How are you doing? This
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Speaker 1: is is Jerry? Could you please call me right actual
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Speaker 1: piece than you. He would call from four different FRO numbers,
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Speaker 1: always in need of money. It was mostly lawyer fees,
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Speaker 1: bail money. L six tract those numbers to Bakersfield, California.
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Speaker 1: One had a familiar voice on the recording. Thank you
28:13
Speaker 1: very much, please live men you know, give up to you.
28:16
Speaker 1: Thank you. It turns out Diane Standish had been catfished.
28:22
Speaker 1: That is a fancy phrase for getting ripped off by
28:25
Speaker 1: somebody meat online. But what about others? Take a listen
28:29
Speaker 1: to our friend doctor Phil and our cut thirteen speaking
28:33
Speaker 1: to Roxane Lewis Randall. Describe his personality when you met him.
28:39
Speaker 1: He was very charming and kind and just really nice.
28:43
Speaker 1: Was there a point that you said, he's flirting with me,
28:47
Speaker 1: just engaging in a lot of conversation. He was just funny,
28:50
Speaker 1: he was witty. We've just kind of clicked. Did you
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Speaker 1: know what his marital status was? I did? Actually, what
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Speaker 1: did you understand that they were still married? They had
29:08
Speaker 1: been living in your separate lives and what he said,
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Speaker 1: were you a secret? I don't think I was fully.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that his wife know about you? Yes? Yeah?
29:19
Speaker 1: Did she object? I don't know. She's after all of this,
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Speaker 1: she said that they've never even talked about a divorce,
29:26
Speaker 1: that that's not ever even been mentioned. So she now
29:30
Speaker 1: tells a different story. Yeah, so he said they were
29:36
Speaker 1: they were living the only they had just not finished
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Speaker 1: the divorce process, so you didn't see yourself as the
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Speaker 1: other woman here. Now, well, if you're not finished with
29:49
Speaker 1: a divorce process, I mean you're still married. Bam. There's
29:53
Speaker 1: really no other way to put it. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. How does the Stenant Police Department chief end
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Speaker 1: up in hot water? Well it's got something to do
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Speaker 1: with seven women, one wife, an ex wife, multiple fiances
30:21
Speaker 1: and we don't know how many girlfriends. But what salanted
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Speaker 1: him looking at criminal charges is faking a court document.
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Speaker 1: A judge has come out and said this document is
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Speaker 1: not real. Now this is what former Chief Collier has
30:41
Speaker 1: to say. Take a list of our cut six. I
30:44
Speaker 1: feel like the biggest pieces. So sorry, mean to hide anything,
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Speaker 1: lie to you? Sorry, I'm so sorry. Please, you're at
31:13
Speaker 1: you to forgiving him. Sorry, it will be in the alley.
31:22
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. How can that be true? Daughter Bethany Marshall,
31:28
Speaker 1: He didn't mean to lie. Don't you have to open
31:31
Speaker 1: your mouth and say words intentionally. That's not an involuntary
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Speaker 1: reaction like digesting your food or breathing or you're heartbeating.
31:41
Speaker 1: You can't stop that, but you speaking words particularly lies
31:45
Speaker 1: which require thought, cunning, and deceit. That's a voluntary action.
31:51
Speaker 1: How can he say I didn't mean to hide anything.
31:55
Speaker 1: That's all he does is hide things. I see. He's
31:59
Speaker 1: manipulating again. You know, when somebody's really sorry, um, instead
32:04
Speaker 1: of just saying the words I'm sorry, they change their behavior.
32:08
Speaker 1: They step up, they are present, they communicate. They maybe
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Speaker 1: go wash the woman's car, take her to dinner, do
32:16
Speaker 1: something to show some intent. For three dollars, okay, I
32:27
Speaker 1: would love to know what this guy Collier's motivation was
32:31
Speaker 1: to have seven, probably plus girlfriends. Was it sexual motivation?
32:37
Speaker 1: Was he getting money from each woman? Was getting gratified
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Speaker 1: in some other ways? Anything about money? I haven't heard anything.
32:45
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at the literature and sociopathy,
32:47
Speaker 1: it's well known in my field that one of the
32:50
Speaker 1: indicators of a sociopath is they have inner deadness. They're
32:54
Speaker 1: very empty, They're prone to boredom, and because of that,
32:58
Speaker 1: their excitement chunky. They love to have very life on
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Speaker 1: the edge, you know, barely escaping danger, barely getting caught.
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Speaker 1: That this somehow makes them feel alive. So it could
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Speaker 1: be the juggling from one woman to the other kind
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Speaker 1: of served a purpose of making him feel more alive
33:18
Speaker 1: and more human. It'd be hard for your listeners to
33:21
Speaker 1: relate to this. The people who are normal and have
33:24
Speaker 1: pleasure just at watching their child baseball game or cooking
33:26
Speaker 1: a nice meal. But for somebody who's this disturbed, they
33:30
Speaker 1: need a lot of activity. They always need to be
33:33
Speaker 1: on the move, and they always need to be sort
33:35
Speaker 1: of barely getting caught in order to feel that they're
33:38
Speaker 1: even human. I've got another fact for you, Debbie mctgomery Johnson.
33:43
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to respond to this. Stimmis
33:46
Speaker 1: and Shaffer, those are two of the girlfriends. Well, they
33:51
Speaker 1: may be the two fiances. Also discovered Collier about each
33:55
Speaker 1: of them the same gift, a coffee maker. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to buy me a coffee maker as a wedding gift
34:04
Speaker 1: at Target with my children, Schaeffer wrote. He just brought
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Speaker 1: up getting a coffee maker from my house on Sunday.
34:12
Speaker 1: Since I don't drink coffee and he does. He gives
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Speaker 1: all the women the same gift. Debbie, you were ripped
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Speaker 1: off to the team of a million dollars. Did you
34:26
Speaker 1: ever suspect in the middle of all that that it
34:29
Speaker 1: was all a big lie. No, well maybe towards the end,
34:34
Speaker 1: but no, I never did. I wondered there were pink flags,
34:38
Speaker 1: as I call him, you know, not red flags, not
34:40
Speaker 1: yellow flags. Where my gut was saying, deb this isn't right.
34:43
Speaker 1: But at some point you're so far in for me
34:45
Speaker 1: financially in that to walk away, I knew I would
34:48
Speaker 1: lose the money. The hope of this is the last time,
34:52
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this will get him home. That hope
34:54
Speaker 1: of him getting out of there that kept me going.
34:57
Speaker 1: But as far as the coffee maker, what happened with
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Speaker 1: the scammers is they don't call you by your name.
35:03
Speaker 1: They'll call you honey, my love, my wife, something that
35:06
Speaker 1: doesn't you know. They can be talking to one hundred
35:09
Speaker 1: women at the same time and I'll call them my honey,
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Speaker 1: my love, my wife, and they don't need to remember
35:13
Speaker 1: your name. So by him giving them a coffee maker
35:16
Speaker 1: type to get the same gift, and they're going to
35:18
Speaker 1: be grateful for that, and it's not for them. I mean,
35:21
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get a coffee maker. I don't drink coffee,
35:23
Speaker 1: but if he were coming to my house and he
35:25
Speaker 1: wanted coffee, it makes sense. But yeah, he's just covering
35:28
Speaker 1: his bases. You know, um, my poor husband. He loves coffee.
35:34
Speaker 1: I drink tea, So not only do we I only
35:38
Speaker 1: have instant coffee, okay, but I actually cheat and put
35:43
Speaker 1: in the Dollar Tree coffee in that, and he thinks
35:45
Speaker 1: he's getting some expensive instant coffee. I mean, you know,
35:48
Speaker 1: speaking of coffee makers. Hey, guys, this is what it
35:51
Speaker 1: all boils down to take a listen to our cut eight.
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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Green k A m R. Listen. Thursday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: Texas rangers arrested Collier and booked him into the Hutchinson
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Speaker 1: County Jail. He's charged with tampering with a government record
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Speaker 1: with the intent to defraud or harm, which is a
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Speaker 1: state jail felony. His bond was set at ten thousand dollars. Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: Amiral lowoman Cecily Steinmetz posted this to Facebook, saying she
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Speaker 1: was engaged to Collier before she learned he was married.
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Speaker 1: Stun Metz's original post has gone viral, shared tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of times, even internationally. I spoke with Steinmetz, who
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Speaker 1: alleges Collier sent her a fake annulment document. Stun Metz
36:31
Speaker 1: says this photo of an ennuyment document is from Collier
36:34
Speaker 1: and then he was like, well, you know, I'll get
36:36
Speaker 1: you the aendulment. He's like, just hold on and I
36:38
Speaker 1: was like, okay, you know loisy event and he said
36:42
Speaker 1: that to me, and I told him, I said, well,
36:44
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take this at its face, Volue,
36:46
Speaker 1: I'm going to check it out with patter County. I
36:48
Speaker 1: did not think it was right in his position to
36:51
Speaker 1: be presenting people with a false document like that. That's
36:56
Speaker 1: why it's a crime because all sorts of business personal
37:01
Speaker 1: transactions can take place based on court certified documents. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Darryl in court, if the defense attorney would present me
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Speaker 1: with a document, I would do this, feel it, you
37:14
Speaker 1: know why, because it has to be certified. I have
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Speaker 1: to feel the imprint, you know it would a notary
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Speaker 1: squeezes the document with that seal, you can feel it,
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Speaker 1: and oh yes, it may be a technicality, but I
37:28
Speaker 1: would object to the document if I didn't feel, if
37:31
Speaker 1: I couldn't feel that seal on it, and the defense
37:34
Speaker 1: attorney would have to go back and get the real deal.
37:38
Speaker 1: Our whole system is based on authentication of documents that
37:44
Speaker 1: we can rely on. And he faked it. According to
37:48
Speaker 1: this woman, Nancy, it's hard to explain any of this,
37:52
Speaker 1: to be very honest with you, it's something that's beyond
37:56
Speaker 1: believable and I don't know how to explain it other
37:59
Speaker 1: than it just is and sometimes people just do what
38:02
Speaker 1: they shouldn't do, and this is what happens. Guys, take
38:05
Speaker 1: a listen. Although that was totally unresponsive to the question,
38:09
Speaker 1: I will fortunate forward. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: nine about the fake annulment document. You can see on
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Speaker 1: this document. It claims it was filed in the one
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Speaker 1: hundred eighth District Court in Potter County. Judge Doug Woodburn
38:24
Speaker 1: presides over that court. We reached out and shared with
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Speaker 1: him the photo of the annulment document Steinmetz claimed Collier
38:30
Speaker 1: sent her. Judge Woodburn replied saying, quote, no match exists
38:34
Speaker 1: either under that name or cause number. Our cause numbers
38:37
Speaker 1: are completely different, consisting of a zero followed by six
38:40
Speaker 1: numbers starting in seven or eight. My court is followed
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Speaker 1: by the letter E. It's a fake end quote. You
38:47
Speaker 1: were just hearing Keilly Green at km R. The one
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Speaker 1: hundred and eight District Court says that this document looks
38:55
Speaker 1: like it's a fake. That's what we're learning right now.
38:58
Speaker 1: That was Judge Woodburn presiding, not only is this share,
39:04
Speaker 1: is this police officer or this chief of police potentially
39:10
Speaker 1: heading to jail. Just think of the broken hearts he's
39:13
Speaker 1: leaving behind. We've been talking about the women, but what
39:16
Speaker 1: about his children. We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: crime story signing off, goodbye friend,