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Checking in on the Orioles with 18 games left to the trade deadline · Birdland Territory

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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's nice to talk about a win, and we
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  Speaker 1: get to do that on this edition of Birdland Territory
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  Speaker 1: as the O's got in the win column final game
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  Speaker 1: of the series against the Cubs, winning at three to
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  Speaker 1: two today on that huge pinch you two run double
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  Speaker 1: by Jeremiah Jackson in the bottom of the eighth of
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  Speaker 1: the O's avoid the sweep. They are forty three and
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  Speaker 1: fifty one with the Royals coming to town for the
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  Speaker 1: final game of the first half. Steve Malski, Tim barblay
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  Speaker 1: you want us to talk about. Trade deadline is obviously
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  Speaker 1: going to be hot. It's going to be hot in
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  Speaker 1: this show, by the way, in just a few minutes,
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  Speaker 1: so if you're waiting for that, you won't have long
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  Speaker 1: to wait here today. But guys, right out of the
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  Speaker 1: top here, let's talk about the Ools getting a win
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  Speaker 1: today and Trevor Rodgers being good again today. This guy's
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  Speaker 1: really pitching great Brad and Tim, and he pitched them
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  Speaker 1: to a win today. Six innings, eighty nine pitches today
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  Speaker 1: for Trevor Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just continues to be extremely efficient too while
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  Speaker 2: he's out there. I mean, I feel like last five,
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  Speaker 2: six seven outings he's had, it's been a minimum of
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  Speaker 2: six run or six innings and you know three runs
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  Speaker 2: are less. He's been really, really good, I think since
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of June is and he's just been He's
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  Speaker 2: been great for them. He's given them a chance to win,
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  Speaker 2: especially today when the offense was taken a while there
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  Speaker 2: to get going. He kept it at one nothing there
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  Speaker 2: that entire time and gave him a chance to kind
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  Speaker 2: of add on there once they kind of gave up
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  Speaker 2: the lead.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't say enough about Trevor Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: He's really After that struggle there he had, I'd say,
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  Speaker 2: if you're bringing the season up right now half of
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  Speaker 2: the year, that little struggle he had there in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's been phenomenal.
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  Speaker 4: It's been remarkable this turnaround, guys, because it's been the
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  Speaker 4: first three starts of his season really really good, all
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  Speaker 4: quality starts, and then the month of May was just
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  Speaker 4: a complete disaster for him. He had an ERA of
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  Speaker 4: a ten to three to one ops of nine to
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  Speaker 4: ninety six off of him. We outlined all the stats,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the damage that opposing batters were doing with
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  Speaker 4: two strikes with two outs, but Steve just flashed the
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  Speaker 4: graphic up there. His last seven starts, it's a sub
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  Speaker 4: two era. This is the Trevor Rodgers of last year.
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  Speaker 4: And Brad, I wanted to get your thoughts in particular,
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  Speaker 4: on his four seam fastball, because to me, when you
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  Speaker 4: look at the numbers and you break it down month
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  Speaker 4: by month, that's been his biggest difference. His fur seemer
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  Speaker 4: opposing batters slugging percentage in May seven eighty six. In
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  Speaker 4: the month of June it was a two seventy three
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  Speaker 4: slug off of him. He had a thirty one percent
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  Speaker 4: with rate on that four seemer compared to sixteen point four,
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  Speaker 4: so almost double. Is there anything different you're seeing with
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  Speaker 4: his four seam fastball, Brad, And I know the velocity,
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  Speaker 4: especially his last start, had an uptick.
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  Speaker 5: He hit ninety seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the velocity going up a little bit
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  Speaker 2: is helpful, but I think it just got back to him.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was kind of messing with his slid
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  Speaker 2: and the sweeper, and I think he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: throw almost too many breaking balls, and I think he
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  Speaker 2: just got back to being the pitcher that he is,
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  Speaker 2: which is foreseen change up. And I mean he got
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  Speaker 2: guys with just bad swings all day on the change up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the change up in the four steamer
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  Speaker 2: have just gone hand in hand. I don't see anything
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  Speaker 2: that's really jumped out to me. I think his location
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  Speaker 2: has gotten a lot better. He's gotten out of the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the zone and he's gotten it to where
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  Speaker 2: he likes to throw at the top of his zone.
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  Speaker 3: But he's been getting to the edge is.
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  Speaker 2: A lot better than when he was struggling there in May,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's really been the biggest difference. Like
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  Speaker 2: I said, watching those starts where he struggled, it was
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  Speaker 2: one or two pitches.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like I know, we talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: He can never say with the pitcher it's been one
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  Speaker 2: or two pitches, but it really felt like it was
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  Speaker 2: one or two pitches away. He just stayed out of
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the plate. He's kept damage down anytime
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  Speaker 2: he's given up pits. I feel like it's been mostly singles,
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  Speaker 2: and he really hasn't hurt himself at the walk, So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of a combination of everything.
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  Speaker 3: Getting ahead with.
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  Speaker 2: That four seamer has been tremendous for him during the stretch,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Been the biggest difference.
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  Speaker 2: To be able to get back to his best pitch,
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  Speaker 2: which this is a change up, and just throw that
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  Speaker 2: more often. And when you do the push pull, you've
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  Speaker 2: wrinkled in a couple Austu pitches here and there. That's
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  Speaker 2: where success comes from from what I see for him,
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  Speaker 2: and he just got back to doing that better. That's
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  Speaker 2: really all it comes down to is the execution just
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  Speaker 2: got better.
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  Speaker 1: Really good lately for the Ools, much needed and you
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  Speaker 1: know their rotation is given them twelve quality starts the
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  Speaker 1: last twenty two games of three seventy era. That's playoff
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  Speaker 1: caliber starting pitching. The other things aren't holding their weight here,
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  Speaker 1: which is why they haven't railed off more wins than
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  Speaker 1: they have. So the Oils right now are forty three
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  Speaker 1: and fifty one, eighteen games to the MLB trading deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and less than that when you consider you got to
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  Speaker 1: have a few days to make a trade. So eighteen
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  Speaker 1: games hits the deadline. But before those eighteen games are up,
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  Speaker 1: the Orioles have some real decisions to make. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into that heavily here in just a moment
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  Speaker 1: So as we say there a moment ago. The Oils
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  Speaker 1: have eighteen games to the trade deadline, which is August
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  Speaker 1: third this year. Three against Kansas City coming up before
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  Speaker 1: the break. After the break, three at Houston, three at Boston,
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  Speaker 1: three home against Atlanta, three at Detroit, and three home
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  Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. So that's twelve games against losing record teams,
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  Speaker 1: six against winning record teams coming up four and a
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  Speaker 1: half back in the final wild card beginning today, which
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  Speaker 1: they got to win, So maybe they'll gain some ground
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  Speaker 1: there over the Cubs. So, gentlemen, there are some real
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  Speaker 1: decisions in Birdland. They hope to be buyers, they say
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  Speaker 1: they expect to be buyers. But since Michael Olias made
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  Speaker 1: those comments, the Orils have a losing record, they have
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  Speaker 1: lost ground. He did say, I'll let you know if
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  Speaker 1: that changes, whether we can hold him to that, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about that. If he's gonna like, hey, media,
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  Speaker 1: I got something to tell you guys, get over here.
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  Speaker 1: I got wes see that. But I got to wonder
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  Speaker 1: if that is changing in the warehouse right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, the biggest thing that's changed the most
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  Speaker 2: is that the Red Sox have kind of started playing better.
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  Speaker 2: And now the Orioles find themselves, at least before today's game,
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  Speaker 2: in last place in the al least, And to me,
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  Speaker 2: that just doesn't feel like a buyer kind of situation
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  Speaker 2: to be, and when you have to climb not only
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  Speaker 2: four teams your own division, you have to count everybody
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  Speaker 2: else that's in the league. So it's just I mean,
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  Speaker 2: since he made those comments where I was feeling pretty
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  Speaker 2: confident there where, I feel like if they could have
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  Speaker 2: went out a little bit of a stretch, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: could be a buyer. But it's just kind of to
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  Speaker 2: me the standings are just dictating where they should be at,
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  Speaker 2: and they might have different plans and tim You brought
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  Speaker 2: up selling and buying to maybe try to figure out
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  Speaker 2: some stuff for next year, But it just feels disappointing
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  Speaker 2: to me the way we've talked about this team, the
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  Speaker 2: way that you just feel like the roster is there,
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  Speaker 2: it just hasn't come together. And I guess that's like
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  Speaker 2: the most the biggest thing that comes to minds is
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  Speaker 2: just disappointing that this is where they find themselves here
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  Speaker 2: right before the All Star break.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Andrew Kitch really hit it on the head
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  Speaker 4: after the game today when asked about why this team
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  Speaker 4: hasn't been able to find a groove, and he mentioned
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  Speaker 4: the little things, and he also mentioned something that We've
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  Speaker 4: talked about a lot, guys, where the starting pitching has
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  Speaker 4: been great over the past month and a half, but
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  Speaker 4: the offense has been inconsistent. And then when the offense
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  Speaker 4: shows up, the starting pitching and then the bullpen and
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  Speaker 4: the defense like they just haven't been able to fire
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  Speaker 4: on all cylinders. And the reality is this that they're
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  Speaker 4: forty three and fifty one through ninety four games, and
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  Speaker 4: they have an identical record as last year's team through
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  Speaker 4: ninety four games, and anyway you slice it, guys like
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  Speaker 4: that's a failure that Michael Oias did not imagine this.
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  Speaker 4: Of course the players did not imagine this, But the
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  Speaker 4: reality is they're here, and Steve flashed up the graphic.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't won that many series of late, and I
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  Speaker 4: can't say with the same confidence of a few weeks back,
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  Speaker 4: month back that all right, they'll turn it on. They'll
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  Speaker 4: turn it on. We're sixty percent through the season at
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  Speaker 4: this point. I just don't know if it's necessarily a
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  Speaker 4: prudent move for Michaelias to push his chips to the
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  Speaker 4: center of the table and diminish and deplete a farm
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  Speaker 4: system that Baseball America ranked fifteenth in their most recent rankings,
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  Speaker 4: they're middle of the pack. I just don't know if
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  Speaker 4: that's the best course of action for this franchise.
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  Speaker 5: But Michael Oas might have to make a move to
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  Speaker 5: potentially save his job.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's a tough decision, and I really don't know
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  Speaker 4: where they're going to go.
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  Speaker 1: I think ownership behind closed doors. Obviously this will happen.
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  Speaker 1: Has to have a heart to heart with Michael Oas
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  Speaker 1: right now, and he cannot go into this deadline making
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  Speaker 1: moves to save his job. They need to save the
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  Speaker 1: Oriels future. That's what they all need to be doing.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what I think, just a little bit I
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  Speaker 1: know of Elis. People can criticize him for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things right now, and they're maybe not wrong. I
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  Speaker 1: just believe he's professional enough, and they signed his paycheck
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  Speaker 1: that if they have a meeting again, Mike, if you
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  Speaker 1: see something that's a buy deal, let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But we're just not going anywhere. We're spun our wheels
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  Speaker 1: for one hundred games. We can't just hope for a miracle.
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  Speaker 1: We can't mortgage the future for two months. That's not
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  Speaker 1: going to lead anywhere. We have to do the right
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  Speaker 1: thing for the oriel future, and when he made those
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  Speaker 1: press conference comments, he sort of said that that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: reading between the lines here, I will do what's right
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  Speaker 1: for the future of the Orioles.
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  Speaker 4: And Steve, it's something I was thinking to turn the
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  Speaker 4: show that just ended on the fan. I know it's
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  Speaker 4: a much different situation, but I was thinking back to
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  Speaker 4: the twenty twenty two Orioles where boy was at a
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  Speaker 4: fun ride. Adley got brought up in May. The team
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  Speaker 4: was winning all these come from behind wins, these walk offs.
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  Speaker 4: That team was right around five hund maybe even a
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  Speaker 4: game or two up, and they were firmly in the
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  Speaker 4: mix in the wild card hunt. And Michaelias chose to
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  Speaker 4: sell at that deadline, and I still firmly agree he
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  Speaker 4: made the right move even then, you know, trading away
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  Speaker 4: at trey Ant seeding, trading away a Jorge Lopez at
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  Speaker 4: that point, and he came out and said, look, our
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  Speaker 4: projections didn't have us in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't think we were gonna make it.
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  Speaker 4: He made the right call there, and I just think
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  Speaker 4: you got to might make the right call here, and
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  Speaker 4: you can't make these rash decisions barring a crazy run.
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  Speaker 2: Brad, Yeah, and I just get at this point, we
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen them win four games in a row, and
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  Speaker 2: it just it's I mean, when you look at the
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  Speaker 2: standings and eque games under five hundred, if you can't
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  Speaker 2: win four in a row, how can you creep closer
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  Speaker 2: to five hundred, which then gives you a chance? And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: this year might be one of the first times we
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  Speaker 2: ever see a team right at five hundred or like
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  Speaker 2: two or three games over five hundred make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, like you're saying, where does
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  Speaker 2: that leave you? If you push all the chips in
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  Speaker 2: next year, when you still have Gun or you still
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  Speaker 2: have Adli, you still have Pete, you still have all
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  Speaker 2: these pieces that you put together to have a winning
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  Speaker 2: year this year, you just don't know where that what
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  Speaker 2: happens in the coming years. If you decide to just
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  Speaker 2: make these trades for now, and if it doesn't work now,
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  Speaker 2: then it's like, oh gosh, now you're behind the eight
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  Speaker 2: ball for next year. And it's just that the window,
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  Speaker 2: it just it gets tough because the window is just closing,
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  Speaker 2: and it's I think fancied. I think Mike Elias sees it.
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  Speaker 2: It's that these guys are getting closer to free agency
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  Speaker 2: and you kind of picked your catcher, so like what
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  Speaker 2: do you do with Adli? And like, it's just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's these tricky questions that I there's a lot more
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  Speaker 2: to it than I think even us sitting here are
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out. And we follow the team all
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  Speaker 2: the time and diehard fans, there's just it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a tougher question to answer.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, then just do we buy do we sell?
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  Speaker 2: I think there's somewhere in between where you just have
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  Speaker 2: to kind of make a decision on these guys and
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  Speaker 2: hope that it helps next year moving forward, the.
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  Speaker 1: Best run we saw this team this year was that
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  Speaker 1: ten and four run. So let's say eighteen games to
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  Speaker 1: the deadline. Let's give them fifteen and give them three
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  Speaker 1: days to make a trade. If they went ten and five,
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  Speaker 1: they're three games under. Still they would be a lot
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  Speaker 1: closer to the wild card. Maybe they'd only be a
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  Speaker 1: game or two out. And is this team capable of
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  Speaker 1: that right now? I don't look like they are, But
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they can't. Because we've seen him beat
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees, we've seen him beat the Rays, we saw
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  Speaker 1: him beat the Dodgers, So core course they could go
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  Speaker 1: ten and five. It's not a tough schedule coming up,
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  Speaker 1: but that still might not be what they need. And
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  Speaker 1: the deadline is coming. They don't have a month and
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  Speaker 1: a half to figure this out. They got about two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like the most frustrating part of this
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  Speaker 2: stretch here is that at the beginning of the season
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about the inconsistency, inconsistency of the starting
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  Speaker 2: pitching that has done its job, and now they're just
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  Speaker 2: they're struggling to score runs. And when they do score runs,
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  Speaker 2: the bullpens had their struggles. So it's just been the
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  Speaker 2: perfect storm of everything. Does everybody just put it together
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  Speaker 2: in eighteen days? I just they haven't shown it to
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  Speaker 2: this point. So then you have to start looking at
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  Speaker 2: the guys that are going to be free agents, as
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Ward somebody that they have to consider. I think
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  Speaker 2: Trevor Rodgers at this point. I hate to say it,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like he has to go that you
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  Speaker 2: have to get all you can for him, and then
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  Speaker 2: from there maybe you determine your strategy. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: he seems to be the best chip that they have,
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  Speaker 2: and who knows if you trade him, then you bring
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  Speaker 2: up Terry Gibson and maybe he gets some starts, Kate
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  Speaker 2: Povic gets a few starts. You kind of figure out
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  Speaker 2: your rotation for next year. Maybe you get a piece
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  Speaker 2: or two for next year's team, and maybe they go
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  Speaker 2: in a room without Trevor Rodgers. It's just it's it's confusing,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's frustrating, it's all this stuff together at the
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  Speaker 2: same time.
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  Speaker 5: It is and look, I feel for the fans.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I feel for the fact that it seems like we're
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: heading back in this direction for a second straight year,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, you're just a couple of years removed
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: from what Michael Iyas said. They were on top of
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: the baseball world in almost every facet, but Jeff Passing,
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: he's as plugged in as anybody from a national perspective.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: On ESPN, he put out his top one hundred trade list,
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: and you know guys that were on there. Number twenty
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: four was Taylor Ward, twenty nine was Trevor Rodgers, thirty
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: three was Near Cano, sixty five, Rico Garcia, eighty two,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: Andrew Kittridge. Ninety one's Ryan Malcastle, which I don't see
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: how that's going to happen when he's.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Missed so much time. But he made the list.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: The Rogers part of it, Brad and Steve Lake, that's
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the one that I think is really tricky, right because.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: You either have to trade him or extend him.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: And he was saying prior to opening day that the
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Orioles hadn't had extension conversations with him, and then he
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: had that really downturn, and now he's on the upswing again.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: So are you selling high? Do you believe in what
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: you say? It seems like Rogers really likes it here.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I do find that to be sort of a tricky
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: situation with Rogers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Boy put up the fill on the screen. The four
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: pending free agents. If you're talking about selling guys who
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: can walk at the end of the year, two of
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: them are hurt little trade value right now for Aiken
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: or Basket because they're on the il warden. Rogers will
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: interest contenders totally. Rogers will especially interest it because everybody
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: wants pitching, everybody wants starting pitching, everybody wants lefty pitching,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and everybody wants a pitcher on a roll. He checks
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: every box so they could And again, let's keep in
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: mind we're talking about a rental brings the price down
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: so fans can give delusions of this huge package. It
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't usually happen that way unless the bidding wars so crazy.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: But right now, guys, he is the best trade chip
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of the rentals. If they want to trade Adlie, that's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: another discussion. He's got a year to get and that's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: been discussed by the media. The team has made the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: public stance they want to keep him forever, so long
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: way of saying, like you guys have said, this is
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: really confusing. It's a little bit fascinating to see how
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: it's going to end up three weeks from today.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think it's going to be fascinating
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: to see where it ends up. And I just think
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: when you make a trade deadline trade, you just kind
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of have to temper your expectations. It's it's really hard
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: to hit on the guys that you trade for. Even
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: looking back to Manny Machada when he got traded, I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: think Ools got five players for him or something like that, and.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Dean Kramer, I think was the only one that hit.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And I mean he's been around still, and that's like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's otherworldly hitting on that getting a starting
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: pitcher for now five plus years with the Orioles. So
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of like you're tim, I agree with you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's either trade him or you extend him.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anywhere in between. You can't you
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: just I just can't see how you could keep him
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: at this point, unfortunately, because it's just you're going to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: lose them for nothing. Or if you extend him, that's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: great because I really do think he is comfortable in Baltimore,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: likes pitching here, and I think he could help this
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: team win next year, which makes even more confusing on
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: top of everything, So is what the heck do you do?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: And that's where like, this is not a teardown situation.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: This is not a twenty eighteen Orioles. You know, the
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: runs done, We're going to rebuild, Like this is not that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: And that's where I just wonder how far Mike would
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: go assuming he does sell it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Does it just involve rentals?
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Like would you trade you know some of these guys
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: on here that have control, like a yuniar Cano, a
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Rico Garcia, those guys out of the bullpen.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I have no idea what Mike is thinking. But like
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: you were saying, Steve, even though we're less than a
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: month away from the deadline August third, it still feels
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: like an eternity, considering the amount of games and considering
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: the fact that for the most part, ninety five percent
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: of these trade deadline moves it's happened in the last
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: handful of days leading up to the deadline.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: So still quite a few weeks away.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of rumors out there. I saw
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a scout in the press box this week who And
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: again take this with a grain saw because scouts here
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a lot. Sometimes what is put out is to deflect
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: from what you're really thinking. There's so much out there
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: right now. But this scout contended they would consider moving
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Adlie Rutchman, despite their public comments. Again, one scout, one opinion,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: one thought one day. I always, as much as I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: respect the scouts in the game, they hear so much
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: as you're so much against the wall right now.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Well, Steve, I'll say, in regards to that, and I
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: think I've said this on a prior episode, I am
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: not if I'm Mike, I am not actively shopping Adlely,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: He's obviously going to take calls on ad And that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: not a situation where I'm just gonna slam.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: The phone like no, no, no, Like I'll.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Listen, and it has to be on my terms and
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: it has to be a really good offer, because this
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: is not a rental situation. But Brad, this is I
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: know he's got another year where Rogers's about the hit
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: free agency, but this is another situation. You can't just
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: let ADLEI walk. You can't let him walk for nothing,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and especially this new CBA is not gonna have the
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: qualifying offer. You know MLB and their latest proposal, the
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: qualifying offer is gone, so you would literally get nothing
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: if Adley walked in twenty twenty seven. Now is Adle
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: gonna entertain a contract extension being this close to free agency?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And that's where it just gets to another tricky situation, Brad.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And I think it's it's one of those pieces like
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you're saying, how could you picture going back to twenty
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty twenty three, like an Oriel future without
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Adlaie And that's it just it's it's just like so
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: disappointed because watching those teams. I just remember watching the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Cubs win the World Series in twenty sixteen. I'm like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: this team's gonna win six World Series. Like they have
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: all these young position players, and it just goes to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: show the fragility of windows in baseball. And that's a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: big market team. They had all the money in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: world to spend. They just won a World Series. Now
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: you look at the Orioles, they had the similar situation.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: They had this young core coming up. They all kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of peaked at the same time. And now it's just like, gosh,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you're like, after this year, you have one year left
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of Ave, you have two years left of Gunner. It's like,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: where the heck did these six years go with these
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: guys on the team and just not in the spot
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that they thought they would be. And it's just it's tough,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and like you're saying, I think at this deadline, you
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: have to take phone calls on Adley, like you said,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: not actively shopping him, but if you get a deal
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that blows you away, you maybe pulled the trigger. You
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: signed us out eight years. He's a catcher of the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: future as of right now. So it's yeah, I just
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's it's just really it's hard. It's hard
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to wrap my head around thinking about this team of
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that Alley rushman behind the plate being up rolling overall
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: pick coming up the success the team had it now
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: they're at this spot. So it's just like you said,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's just most disappointing more than anything else, Bergland.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of layers to this. We're heading
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: for a fascinating few weeks to see how we get
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to the other side and what it looks like. It
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: won't be dull. It almost never is, and this is
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: certainly true of the next few weeks. Bergland Territory rolls
• 23:25
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• 23:27
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  Speaker 1: Let me add another layer to our previous discussion. This
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: came up in the press box this week from someone
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: who is not and does not work for the Baltimore Orioles.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: The Orioles owner is kind of a rookie here. He
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: hasn't done this long. He doesn't know all the inner
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: workings of ownership at the trade deadline and now in
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: his infancy as an owner, and of course he has
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a huge support staff and he can reach out to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: other owners, and I assume he will to get advice.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: What do I do now? Because he's at the top
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of the chain, Michael Lias doesn't really do anything significant
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: unless the people above him sign off on it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely it's interesting.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And I think I was thinking before with Michael Lias
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and he comes from the Astros. The ash had this
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: young core of hitters that got they all came up together,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: they all started mashing, and they all got them winning.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And what they did was make these big trades or
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: these big signings at the pitching side.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And I feel like the Orioles were.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Right there a couple of years ago and didn't weren't
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: able to make the trades or didn't make the big signings.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And now it's like, oh gosh, did we did we
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: miss that? Is that like that era? That that chance gone?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And I feel like it's that's what he makes even
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: more of, like guys, what do we do we miss
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: our chance?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Was that it? Or do we still have it?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It's I think that's where he's kind of out of
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: crossroads too with everything.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I don't know what he's thinking.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That just kind of what came to mind when I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: was thinking of that Ashros team he was associated with.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They went on to win a couple of World Series,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: but they didn't do it well. They made the big
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: trades and the big signings for the big time pitchers.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're bringing in Verlander, You're bringing in Garrett Cole.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And look, if this is the end of Michael Lias
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: at the end of this season, that will be the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: biggest thing looking back on And Brad, you're bringing up
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: prior to the break and it's so true.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: And this is a cross sports guys.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm thinking of the Oklahoma City Thunder, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: with Kevin Duran and James Harden and Russell Westbrook. They're
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: in the finals against the Heat.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Oh, they're gonna be back.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: They're all young, spudding superstars. You never know, you never
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: know when the window is going to close. And I
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: think that's why it's so important to recognize the moment.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: And you know, you can think of the twenty twenty
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: three trade deadline, just bringing in Jack Flaherty and Fujinami
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four and look, you make the move
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: for Corbyn Burns but not continuing to add on and
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you have the top form system in baseball, but prospects
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: don't all pan out, and I think that's what makes
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: it especially disheartening. And you can Monday morning quarterback anything,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: of course, but it's tough. It's tough, and fans are frustrated,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: and they have every right to be frustrated.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: But now it's about trying to build back.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You got to figure out how to get back and
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and and part of that, Steve is going to be
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: what they do with the deadline.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I mean, barring a total shock of
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: all Baltimore, there's no change coming with the Oiel front office.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I don't believe over the next few weeks that this
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: is the group, and I think fans should and I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: not being a homer here, but remember this part. This
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: group did get them to the Ali's title. This group
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: did produce the number one farm. This group did produce
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: what's something that's unprecedented, three straight years of the number
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: one prospect ever happened to base in Baseball America's history
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: doing prospects. Orioles did it. So they can do some
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: things that are good for this team. They acquired some
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: young talent last year. Scouts were talking up Boston Bateman
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to me this week. One of the guys they got
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: from the Padres in that deal, twenty year old lefty
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: there was ninety eight. So I mean, some good things
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: could happen here. Even if and the other thing that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: could shock us all this would shock us. The Oils
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: could still make the playoffs. They could sell some playoffs
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and they going to make the playoffs, right, Yeah, you're
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: there only three or four out. It's not ridiculous, but
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they're just that we know they're not showing those signs.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So again we're circling back to the same thought the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: next few weeks. Ye stay tuned Birdland.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Definitely, and I think this weekend it starts. If you
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: don't want all these questions to continue. And it's hard
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: as a player because going through to twenty eighteen, the
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: trade deadline, it was on my mind all the time
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: because it was unfortunate. You want to be in a spot,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: but you know it's it's heading that way and you
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: see many go. Then you see I didn't even know
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: if I was next it. It was just all of us,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like Darren Oda's gone, Godsman Jordan in Atlanta next day.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It just it happens fast and it's just kind of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I still remember leaving the field the last day I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: was in Baltimore and just being choked up. I got
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: done playing catch and it's just you just don't want
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to have that feeling because it was such good times
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: we had for five years, and these fans deserve a
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: winner that is just can continue to win for years
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: because the fan base is so good in Baltimore. It
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: was just it was a hard time going through it
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and it's something you don't want to deal with. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: it's just so this weekend, it's starts to go against
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the Royals who are really struggling. Also hopefully went to
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it a three, maybe get a sweepheaded to the All
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Star Break, come out of the All Star Break hot,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and switch the whole thing because, like Steve said, they
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: are technically still in the playoff hunt and things can
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: change on a win. So it's I hope these guys
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that they just they go into the break hot, get
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: some rest, get a mental break more than anything else,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: come back and just ready to win some games, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: really just for the fans especially, just win some games
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: and give them the whole back, because it just feels
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: like it's been slowly weaning away these last three or
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: four weeks, and all these trade talks are only going
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: to get hotter and more in your face in the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: coming weeks.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: And Brad, you bring up the human part of it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: With these guys, and you know, I brought up earlier
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the Jeff Pass and the one hundred top one hundred
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: trade candidates, and he's Matt mixing and match and like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: who would be good here?
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Who would be good there?
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I can't even imagine as a player like living that
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and you bringing up your experience with it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: How to block out that noise?
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty much impossible.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And that's honestly, Trevor Rodgers going out there today and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: dominating that was amazing because he's at the top of
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the list.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: All the fans know that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So for him to go out there and produce like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he did today and give him a win and at
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: least put him in the spot to have a win
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: is awesome because it's a lot you're moving, not just
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you yourself, you're moving, if you have a family, you're moving,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: then places where you're going. And then you're going from
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a team who's kind of just kind of muddling around
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to a team directly. I went to Atlanta and literally
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the next day I was fishing the eighth inning for
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: a team trying to win the division. So it's just
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: all these things I can't kind of get thrown your
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: way and it's part of the job, so I mean,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it's not something to feel sorry about. But it was
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: definitely an emotional time because I absolutely loved my time
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in Baltimore, and like that last time.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Talking reporters, it was tough.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was fighting back tears as I'm doing
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: it because I literally grew up as a as a person,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: as a player those five years of Baltimore. I did
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of growing up and it was some of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the best times of my life. And to have to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: like literally put it on another jersey the next day
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and just move forward without ever thinking about it, I
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: just knew that was gonna be the last time I
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: was in Baltimore, and it was.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: It was definitely an emotional time.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And guys are going through right now that are going
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to be free agents, so I know they're not with
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Baltimore for as long as maybe I was there. But
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  Speaker 2: it's still a team that I know they love playing for.
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  Speaker 2: I know they love going to campanyards every day, and
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's a tough spot to be in. So
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  Speaker 2: I hope they can kind of flip the script and
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  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about that. But like I said,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of an impending thing coming up here.
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  Speaker 1: I remember telling Malcastle at the end of last year.
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  Speaker 1: I've known this kid forever. He's one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 1: I just think so much of Ryan, I said, Dude,
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  Speaker 1: wherever you're playing, I hope it's here, but I'll be
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  Speaker 1: those are tough conversations to have, but you just want
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