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Beautiful young joggers brutally raped, killed. 'Don't Be A Victim' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I didn't realize what I
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Speaker 1: was dealing with when I first worked on a case
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Speaker 1: where a jogger goes missing. I remember her name, Julie
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Speaker 1: Love in Atlanta. At the time, I was a felony
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and inner City Atlanta. She had been out jogging.
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Speaker 1: She was a kindergarten teacher, and she couldn't be found.
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Speaker 1: The investigation was fierce, and at one point, finally her
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Speaker 1: glass eye was found. To look at her, you would
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Speaker 1: never even though she had a prosthetic eye, but she did,
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Speaker 1: and that cracked the case wide open. Since that time,
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Speaker 1: over and over and over we hear about usually women
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Speaker 1: who go missing or end up murdered while exercising. Julie
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Speaker 1: was murdered, and there have been thousands of women who
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Speaker 1: go missing or a murdered since that time. When I
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Speaker 1: first encountered that case, I did not realize that her
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Speaker 1: disappearance and death was just the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: Now so one of the reasons I wrote Don't Be
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Speaker 1: a Victim Fighting back against America's crime wave. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. One of the first chapter I worked
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Speaker 1: on was safe while Exercising and joining me today is
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Speaker 1: the man whose daughter inspired me to spend months and
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Speaker 1: months researching and cultivating the information. Not to scare you,
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Speaker 1: but to arm you, to arm you with knowledge to
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Speaker 1: protect yourself and your family. My proceeds from this book
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Speaker 1: going to the National Center for Missing Unexploited Children. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this, give me a sense for the
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Speaker 1: timeline that day. That's a day that I will never forget.
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Speaker 1: I started to worry, which is unusual. I had a feeling,
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Speaker 1: so I called her three times, didn't answer, and I
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Speaker 1: went out looking for her. The panic just immediately set in.
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Speaker 1: It didn't seem to make sense to me. There was
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Speaker 1: no sign of her. Four hours after Phil's phone calls,
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Speaker 1: pings from Karna's cell phone led him and police to Karina,
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Speaker 1: you found your daughter. I did, with the help of
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Speaker 1: the PD. As a parent, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: even getting my arms around that. I think as a parent,
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Speaker 1: you would rather you find your child than someone else.
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Speaker 1: It's the last act of protection you can give you
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Speaker 1: a child. No parent should ever have to go through
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Speaker 1: what Phil Vatronto has been through with the death of
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Speaker 1: his beautiful daughter Karina. With me today is Phil Vatronto
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Speaker 1: along with an all star panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Dodgor Bethany marsh psychoanalysts joining
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Speaker 1: me out of LA. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Kurknurmi, renowned defense attorney and author
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Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius Parts two and three on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Dave matt Crime Online dot com, investigative reporter. And Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon and now the new star
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Speaker 1: of Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. To everyone
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Speaker 1: joining us, thank you. I want to go first to
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Speaker 1: Karina's dad, Phil. You and I taught and talked and
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Speaker 1: talked when we were pushing the acceptance of familial DNA
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Speaker 1: to be used across the country, and you inspired me
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Speaker 1: to work on a brand new series coming out called
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Speaker 1: Bloodline Detectives, which deals with cracking cases with familial DNA. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm no idea. How much do you have affected my
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Speaker 1: life and the lives of so many other people, particularly
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Speaker 1: writing this book. Thanks to you, Phil. I know you
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Speaker 1: don't enjoy talking about this, but in this book, one
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Speaker 1: of the main chapters is safe while exercising. Please tell
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Speaker 1: us about the day Karina went missing. Well, she went alone.
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Speaker 1: She went alone in a secluded area. I mean, there
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Speaker 1: were many factors that should have told me and should
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Speaker 1: have told her not to go, not to go where
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Speaker 1: she went, but she did. And I had a little
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Speaker 1: intuition before she went. I told her, I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's a good idea, and she said, don't worry, Daddy,
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Speaker 1: I'll be okay. And she went off, you know, a
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Speaker 1: hundred yards from my house. She went into a trail
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Speaker 1: and it was a trail you had run many many
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Speaker 1: times with her. In fact, you guys normally ran together
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Speaker 1: like I would exercise with my dad for years and
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Speaker 1: years and years together. Yes, yes, we ran that trail
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Speaker 1: just the Saturday prior to the tours day when when
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Speaker 1: she was murdered. So what three days three days before?
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, Phil who I consider not
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Speaker 1: only as a colleague but a dear friend. Now he
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Speaker 1: and his wife who have just been to Hell and back.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said, Bethany? Because he said,
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Speaker 1: and you know what I'm going to ask you, because
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Speaker 1: I've asked you this before. He said, I had an intuition.
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Speaker 1: I told her, I don't think you should go today,
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Speaker 1: and she said, I'll be fine, daddy, and left that intuition.
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Speaker 1: And I can't explain it, but maybe you can, Nancy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we have a certain way of knowing that bypasses the
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Speaker 1: right lateral part of the brain, the part that is
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Speaker 1: responsible for language and speech and reading and all of that,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole other part of our consciousness that if
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Speaker 1: what we call prescient, it can help us to look
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Speaker 1: into the future and see what might happen. We could
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Speaker 1: call it psychic or having good judgment, intuition, whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it. We all have it. And this
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Speaker 1: book you're writing, you know, safe while exercising. I would say,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what your research showed, but that following
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Speaker 1: your intuition is the number one thing that you need
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Speaker 1: to do. Phil had a bad sense. He did tell
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Speaker 1: his daughter and she went anyway. And the sound you
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Speaker 1: played earlier about him finding wanting to wishing that he
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Speaker 1: could have found his daughter, that it's the final act
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Speaker 1: of safety. I mean, he had it from the moment
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Speaker 1: she went to exercise. And wait till you hear this.
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Speaker 1: Bethany feel. Carina had been gone for I don't know,
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes, and you had another overwhelming feeling. What
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Speaker 1: was it? Something was wrong. I was just sitting in
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Speaker 1: the are and just watching the Lose in my dinner,
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Speaker 1: and then this feeling just came over me. First it
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Speaker 1: was slight, and then it got stronger and stronger, like
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Speaker 1: something was amiss. Now, it was only twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: minutes after she left. She shouldn't even been back yet.
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Speaker 1: But I called her and she didn't answer. I called
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Speaker 1: her one minute later and she didn't answer. I called
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Speaker 1: her two minutes after that and she didn't answer, and
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Speaker 1: I gave out a yell with a curse on the
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Speaker 1: end of it. And my wife had just came back
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Speaker 1: from abdollinble surgery. I just picked her up at the
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Speaker 1: hospital and she was up in bed and she heard
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Speaker 1: me yelling. She said, what's the matter, and I said,
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Speaker 1: Comena is not answering the phone. I'm going out. She
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Speaker 1: didn't even know comed anyone out. Oh how is that?
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Speaker 1: You know? She didn't even know what she went out
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Speaker 1: last time she saw her. She just came home from
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Speaker 1: the hospital. She went upstairs and the next thing you
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Speaker 1: know she hears she's dead. Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys were talking about the disappearance and the murder of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful and brilliant young woman, Karina v. Toronto.
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Speaker 1: But she is not the only one. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: that women shouldn't go exercise. I do it every day
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Speaker 1: if I can. And I'm not saying don't wear a
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Speaker 1: sports bra, don't wear tides. No, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 1: that's so miss bogynists. But there are ways for you
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Speaker 1: to protect yourself. Don't be a statistic I talk about
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Speaker 1: it after so much. Took me two years to research
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Speaker 1: and write this book for you. This is based on
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Speaker 1: cases I investigated, thousands of them, cases I personally tried.
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Speaker 1: In cases I have personally covered, including Carina Vatronto's case.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Her body was discovered just fifteen feet
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Speaker 1: away from a trail that she and her father ran
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Speaker 1: together nearly every day, but back pain forced him to
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Speaker 1: stay at home the afternoon she was killed. The retired
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Speaker 1: firefighter now has a message of his own for the attacker.
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Speaker 1: Justice will be served. On Friday, detectives discovered a sneaker
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Speaker 1: and headphones near the crime scene and sent them in
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Speaker 1: for testing in the hopes of finding fingerprints or DNA evidence. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: the Toronto's devastated parents lead their daughter to rest Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Her casket was met with salutes as hundreds gathered for
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Speaker 1: the funeral. Even actor Donnie Walbert took a moment this
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Speaker 1: weekend to remember her, writing on Twitter, I've met thousands
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Speaker 1: of amazing New Yorkers while filming Bluebloods. None were as
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Speaker 1: kind as Karina Vatranto. So many people attended Saturday's funeral service,
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Speaker 1: so they had to set up speakers outside where people
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Speaker 1: were standing. Anyone with information will now get a ten
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward for information that leads to an arrest.
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Speaker 1: If we can stop, if we can prevent one person
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Speaker 1: from being attacked while exercising, this will all be worth it.
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Speaker 1: Now you can hear with us today feel Vatronto speaking
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Speaker 1: so calmly, so coherently, but as it always been that way.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Lindsay Davis at ABCGMA,
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Speaker 1: just one day or laying their thirty year old daughter
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Speaker 1: Karina to rest. Both of her parents spoke publicly, but
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Speaker 1: it was her mother who had some especially blistering words.
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Speaker 1: To stress her point, she started off by taking off
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Speaker 1: her sunglasses and telling everyone to look in her eyes
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Speaker 1: as she could address the men directly that she called
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Speaker 1: a coward. I guarantee you you will pay forever a
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Speaker 1: mother's unbridled pain and anguish on full display, Dune. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna have a faith to the piece of garbage that
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Speaker 1: you are. On Sunday afternoon, Kathy Vatranto shared this chilling
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Speaker 1: message to the person who killed her daughter, Corina. The
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Speaker 1: whole entire world knows what a pathetic, puny, weak piece
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Speaker 1: of filth that you are. These words are the first
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Speaker 1: we've heard from Vatranto's family since thirty year old was
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Speaker 1: found dead less than a week ago. You were hearing
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Speaker 1: Karina's mother speaking out, lashing out. But I can tell
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Speaker 1: you during the trial of Karna's killer, an attacker, there
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Speaker 1: were times she had to be helped to carry, to
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Speaker 1: almost carry her, lift her to walk out of that courtroom.
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Speaker 1: She was so racked with pain hearing the evidence. I
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Speaker 1: remember she was actually holding onto I thought she was
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Speaker 1: kissing a crucifix for strength to get her through the trial.
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Speaker 1: Now you'll hear her father, Phil Vatrono describe how healthy,
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Speaker 1: how physically fit. And if you go on crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com, look at Karna Vatrono. She looks like she
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Speaker 1: works out every day, very strong. Listen to Chris Hanson
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Speaker 1: Crime Watch, Deli and Boys tells me what they found
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Speaker 1: made even a hardened detective turn away. Give me a
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Speaker 1: sense for the injuries Karina summer facial injuries. She also
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Speaker 1: had bruising on her body. We believe from being dragged
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Speaker 1: through those weeds proper area. So that's who we believed
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Speaker 1: where that bruising on her body came from. And when
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Speaker 1: you found her, she was still graspul to the weeds.
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Speaker 1: She had the weeds, stems of the weeds in her hands.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you she thought not to go
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Speaker 1: into those weeds. Karina's dad took me to that jogging
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Speaker 1: trail and Howard Beach where police found his beautiful daughter.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this person was waiting for her.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this person was following her. Phil
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Speaker 1: was tronto your daughter. You would think because she was
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Speaker 1: so physically fit, she could have fought back and won. Right. Well, man, shoot,
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Speaker 1: I have to tell you Karina for those who don't
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Speaker 1: know it was four eleven, one hundred pounds. She looked
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Speaker 1: extremely fit, and she was. But when someone outweighs you
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Speaker 1: by fifty pounds and as a foot toiller, and this
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Speaker 1: is the key, he sucked punched her. He hit her
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Speaker 1: from behind. She was passing him, you know, not probably
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Speaker 1: giving her second thought, and then he turned on her.
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Speaker 1: So she was definitely if I was a fan fight,
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Speaker 1: she would definitely have gotten away. But he suckered her,
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Speaker 1: and he did outweigh her and was a foot toiler
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Speaker 1: then her four eleven. It's a little baby. The man
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Speaker 1: who attacked and killed her. Channel Lewis had been spotted
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood before, walking around with I think it
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Speaker 1: was a crowbar, looking in cars and homes. A police
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Speaker 1: officer saw him. There wasn't enough cause to arrest him
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Speaker 1: for anything, but he made a note in his police notebook,
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Speaker 1: and because of that note, when the trail went dead
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Speaker 1: and finding Karina's killer, that notebook was resurrected, and that person,
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Speaker 1: Chanelle Lewis turned out to be Karina's killer. You are
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Speaker 1: hearing her dad describing how physically fit she was, but
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Speaker 1: she was no match for a guy that snuck up
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Speaker 1: on her and Sucker punched her. Would you say, let
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Speaker 1: me go out to Kirk Nurmi. This is or now
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Speaker 1: defense attorney that very often in cases like this, the
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Speaker 1: woman is taken by surprise. It's more like a crime
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Speaker 1: of opportunity. You don't always think of the defendant lurking
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Speaker 1: waiting on an empty stretch of road, waiting for somebody
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Speaker 1: to run by. They see the person and attack, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're right, Nancy. Sadly, we have
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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the of this mindset that
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Speaker 1: are looking kind of looking for that crime of opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Y right. This is why he's lurking around the cars.
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Speaker 1: This is why he has a crowbar, this is why
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Speaker 1: he's doing this. He's looking for these opportunities and when
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Speaker 1: it came, he decided to take advantage of it, for
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Speaker 1: lack of a better word, is to play out his thick,
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Speaker 1: twisted game. And this is exactly what happened. Because we
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Speaker 1: have to be and this is why we have to
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Speaker 1: be aware that there are people like this all around
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Speaker 1: us that require us to be conscious of everything and
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Speaker 1: every place that we're at. And as it turned out
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Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, this guy. Chanelle Lewis had a
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Speaker 1: very deep seated hatred of women. But how's Corona is
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Speaker 1: supposed to know that she passes a guy and has
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Speaker 1: no idea who this guy is. Just like when I
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Speaker 1: go walking or jogging or biking, I don't know who
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Speaker 1: I'm passing. Nancy a deep seated hatred for women. Probably
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Speaker 1: a serial killer in the making, serial ray fist, somebody
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Speaker 1: who actually has a compulsion to torture and to kill.
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Speaker 1: That who's who Chanel was. And if you think about
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was walking around the neighborhood with
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Speaker 1: a crowbar looking in cars, that speaks to somebody who
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Speaker 1: is so preoccupied with doing damage to another human being
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Speaker 1: that that is their only motivation in life. So Coarina
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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance once she passed this guy on
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Speaker 1: the trail. He had been practicing for this moment for
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Speaker 1: months and perhaps even for years. They practice, they think
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Speaker 1: about it, they fantasized about it, so the victim has
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Speaker 1: no chance. Time stories with Nancy Grace, we've been talking
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Speaker 1: about Karina Vatrano and how to protect yourself when you're exercising.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the name Molly tibbets I do listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at w o I TV five Des Moines.
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Speaker 1: This is not like her. Dalton Jack is living in
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Speaker 1: a nightmare. I figured i'd speak to her in that
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Speaker 1: hour or so, and right now it's one he can't
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Speaker 1: wake up from. I came home as soon as her
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Speaker 1: mom said that she called the hospital and she wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: The last time the twenty year old saw Molly was
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday at ten pm when he opened a snapchat
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Speaker 1: from her. It was just a selfie with the caption
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Speaker 1: and I don't remember what the caption said, but it
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Speaker 1: looked like she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: hear from her again. When he said her early Thursday morning,
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Speaker 1: he didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her
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Speaker 1: friend called late that afternoon. One of her co workers
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Speaker 1: called me, said Molly had not called in to work
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Speaker 1: that day and she hadn't showed up. And then I
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Speaker 1: looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or read
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Speaker 1: any of them. So I started getting in contact with
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Speaker 1: your friends and her family, saying, hey, have you seen her?
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Speaker 1: Have you heard from her? Of course, the boyfriend is
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Speaker 1: always the first place you look at when a woman
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Speaker 1: goes missing. That was not the case with Molly Tibbots.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at ABC, Alex Perez.
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Speaker 1: The search for missing Molly Tibbots has come to a
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Speaker 1: tragic end today. A body was discovered early this morning
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Speaker 1: in a farm field southeast of Brooklyn, Iowa. We believe
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Speaker 1: it to be the body of Molly Tipbots. She was
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Speaker 1: found in a cornfield and there were cornstocks placed over
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Speaker 1: the top of her and tonight a suspect in custody,
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Speaker 1: twenty four year old Christian Rivera. Police a Rivera led
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Speaker 1: them to her body this morning and confess to her murder.
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Speaker 1: The case will be prosecuted by the Iowa Attorney General
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Speaker 1: General's Prosecution Division, and first degree murder carries a penalty
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Speaker 1: of life without the possibility of parole. According to authorities,
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Speaker 1: Rivera encountered Molly Tibbots near the intersection of Boundary and
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Speaker 1: Middle Streets in eastern Brooklyn when she was out Johnking.
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Speaker 1: He actually tells us that he ran alongside of her
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Speaker 1: or behind her, and then at one point he tells
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Speaker 1: us that Molly grabbed a hold of her phone and said,
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Speaker 1: you need to leave me alone. I'm going to call
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Speaker 1: the police and then she took off running. He in
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Speaker 1: turn chased her down. This shows that no matter where
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Speaker 1: you are, there are people around predators. Just like out
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Speaker 1: on the serengetti. When you think of the gazelle joining
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Speaker 1: each other at the water, the side of the water,
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Speaker 1: and in the distance, there lurks a predator waiting for
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Speaker 1: one gazelle to be the slowest. We're talking about safe
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Speaker 1: while exercising, and I want to go to you, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I also say, as much as I've done
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Speaker 1: it because of my schedule, try not to run at
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Speaker 1: night or at night fall. Molly Tibbitts was running around
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Speaker 1: night fall. Also, I say take id, whether it's your
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Speaker 1: driver's license, library card, a scrap of paper stuffed down
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Speaker 1: your sports brat with your name, address and number when
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Speaker 1: you need help. This helps first responders identify who you are.
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Speaker 1: I also tie my key into my shoelaces in my
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Speaker 1: hands are totally free. And don't put earbuds in your ears.
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Speaker 1: Don't do it. Phil was Karina jogging with earbuds? Yeah
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Speaker 1: she was, and she always did you know? She had
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Speaker 1: a music playing. She was oblivious to what was going
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Speaker 1: around around her situation. She often described in her writings
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Speaker 1: how she would put her earbuds in and hit the
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Speaker 1: pavement and all the bs that happened during the day
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Speaker 1: would all fade away. So she was actually in a
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Speaker 1: very spiritual place at that time. You know, she was,
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Speaker 1: she was with gone. You know, we're not happy. You know, Phil,
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Speaker 1: I do it too. I wrought jog or run or
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Speaker 1: walk with earbuds, and I've quit since I met you
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Speaker 1: and learned about Karina because one of the last video
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Speaker 1: surveillance it was her jogging by and you can distinctly
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Speaker 1: see I think it was a chord from earbuds. All
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Speaker 1: of this so important to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics.
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Speaker 1: When Molly Tibbitts was found, no ID, nothing on her.
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Speaker 1: We know the perp came up beside her, kept kind
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Speaker 1: of jogging beside her. She said, go away or I'll
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Speaker 1: call police. That pushed him over the edge. Why is
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Speaker 1: it so important to have some kind of ID on you. Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously you want to, you know, have have proof of
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Speaker 1: who you are relative to the people that you're going
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Speaker 1: to encounter on the road. But in Molly's case, I
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Speaker 1: you know, I sit there and I think about This
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Speaker 1: guy was literally laying in wait for her. He is
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Speaker 1: a predator. Just like with Phil's beautiful daughter. This guy,
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Speaker 1: the scumbag, was a totally incomplete predator. And what happens,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately many times, is you have what's referred to as
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Speaker 1: asymmetry with these with these attacks, you've got people that
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Speaker 1: are in a dominant position over somebody that's in a
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Speaker 1: very weakened state. They see them, they go after them,
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately they'll wind up ripping them to shreds. Another
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Speaker 1: out of pages and pages of pages of tips for
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Speaker 1: you that I've gleaned from cases, some of which you're
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Speaker 1: hearing about today. Don't leave home. Don't get angry, because
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Speaker 1: nobody ever tells us to men. But don't leave home
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Speaker 1: without letting someone know you're heading out, whether it's a
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Speaker 1: day or night. Texts, call, email, somebody you trust. I'm
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Speaker 1: going jogging. I remember so many nights before the twins
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Speaker 1: were born. I would get home from doing my program
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Speaker 1: at hl N plus Larry King. After that, that that would
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Speaker 1: be ten o'clock at night. I would get home and
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Speaker 1: then go jogging on the East River in New York
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Speaker 1: at say eleven ish o'clock. That is crazy, talk, but
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Speaker 1: nobody could tell me different. I would, however, take my
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Speaker 1: phone with me, not use earbuds, and would text somebody
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Speaker 1: and let them know where I was going. Do you remember,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, When Molly first went missing, a lot
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Speaker 1: of people thought she was last at the home of
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend who was out of town doing online homework,
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Speaker 1: because she had posted a picture or something like that
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Speaker 1: of her they're doing homework. So a lot of people
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Speaker 1: thought she had gone jogging and come back because no
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Speaker 1: one knew where she was or that she was going jogging.
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Speaker 1: You remember that, Joe Scott? Yeah, I do, Dancy, and
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Speaker 1: I remember at the time you and I were actually
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Speaker 1: covering this case together when Molly disappeared, And do you
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Speaker 1: recall also, there were all of these signs she was
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Speaker 1: Do you remember people were spotting her in like four
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Speaker 1: or five different states, far flung areas, and all the
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Speaker 1: while there her body lay in that cornfield after weeks,
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Speaker 1: after weeks, where this guy had placed her there, and
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Speaker 1: no one had any idea where she had wound up.
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Speaker 1: You know. Phil Vatronto, father off Karina Vatronto, often called
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Speaker 1: the Long Island Jogger. Phil. When I think about Chanel
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Speaker 1: Lewis and his hatred of women and the guy that
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Speaker 1: murdered Molly Tibbetts. Remember he had put Molly in his trunk, yes,
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Speaker 1: and then he said he looked down and saw blood
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Speaker 1: on his hands and went, oh, yeah, she's in my
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Speaker 1: trunk and went and hid her in a cornfield. That
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Speaker 1: guy's not in sign. That is total b s. He
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Speaker 1: murdered her and he had the wherewithal to go hide
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Speaker 1: her body and stay quiet as the search for her
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Speaker 1: raged on around him. And my point being, you look around,
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Speaker 1: you don't know who's legit and who was like Chanelle Lewis. Well,
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Speaker 1: there were signs. There were a lot of signs. I
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Speaker 1: mean he was he was, excuse me. And when he
27:27
Speaker 1: was in high school, you know, he actually got put
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Speaker 1: into a special school for troubled students, for troubled children,
27:36
Speaker 1: for troubled kids because he had behavioral issues and he
27:41
Speaker 1: was doing well in high school. But when he got out,
27:45
Speaker 1: his family dropped the ball. He no longer went to therapy,
27:48
Speaker 1: he no longer took his medication, and they just used
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Speaker 1: to let him roam the streets at night. He was
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Speaker 1: a chicking time bomb. That's exactly right. You said it,
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Speaker 1: exactly agree right. That's what he was, and you mentioned
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Speaker 1: it before. He was definitely a serial killer. In the
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Speaker 1: making Crime Stories with Nancy Grace guys two years and
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Speaker 1: literally thousands of individuals, whether they were part of investigations, prosecutions,
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Speaker 1: or cases that I covered. People I met that changed
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Speaker 1: the course of criminology, like Phil Vatrano, are all in
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Speaker 1: this book. My proceeds going to National Center Missing Exported Children.
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Speaker 1: Don't be a victim. Fight back against America's crime wave.
28:57
Speaker 1: Fight back against the Chanel lewis Is of this world
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Speaker 1: lying in wait. You have heard about Karina, You've heard
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Speaker 1: about Molly. Listen to this. A murdered Midlothian woman was
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Speaker 1: remembered as a devoted mother who motivated others. Forty five
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Speaker 1: year old Missy Beavers was found dead inside Creekside Church
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Speaker 1: of Christ's last Monday. Police say she was ambushed and
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Speaker 1: died from a blow to the head. At her funeral
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Speaker 1: yesterday and walks a Hatchee, family and friends described Beavers
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Speaker 1: those she loved her for fitness. First, she was alom,
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Speaker 1: she was just she was a mom, and she loved everybody,
29:38
Speaker 1: and she loved her husband a babysit when they had
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Speaker 1: date night, and this is just very difficult. Police are
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Speaker 1: still looking for the person who killed Missy Beavers. Midlothian
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Speaker 1: Police released more surveillance video Friday of the person walking
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Speaker 1: around Creekside Church of Christ wearing police tactical gear. That
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Speaker 1: person is believe to be the one who killed Beavers. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course it is here. You've got Missy Beavers, a
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Speaker 1: mom of several little, beautiful little girls. She was teaching
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Speaker 1: gladiator training classes. This woman is so fit and where
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Speaker 1: else could you be safer. She's in a very small town, Midlothian, Texas,
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Speaker 1: and she goes to teach the class at the church
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Speaker 1: at about four or five o'clock in the morning so
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Speaker 1: other moms can come and work out before they take
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Speaker 1: their children to school. She is attacked in the church
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Speaker 1: and murdered. You were listening to our friend Justin Shannon
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Speaker 1: Murray at KDFW Fox four talking about the death of
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Speaker 1: this mom, Missy Beavers, straight out to Dave Mattcrime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what happened in the Missy Beavers case.
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Speaker 1: It's still open, Nancy. It's one of those I hate
30:56
Speaker 1: to call a murder a mystery, okay, like it's some
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Speaker 1: kind of entertainment. What happened here is there was surveillance
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Speaker 1: video inside the church. As you mentioned, Missy Beavers was
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Speaker 1: there to teach a class. She arrived at four twenty
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Speaker 1: that morning to the church. By five oh six she'd
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Speaker 1: been murdered. On that surveillance footage, police were able to
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Speaker 1: see some person. I can't even say it's a man.
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Speaker 1: It was an individual approximately five foot two to five
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Speaker 1: foot six, dressed in tactical gear. Police swat tactical gear
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Speaker 1: at about three fifty that morning, roaming the hallways of
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Speaker 1: this church. We know that Missy got there at four twenty,
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Speaker 1: and we know at some point in time Missy came
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Speaker 1: in contact with this individual walking around that church, breaking
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Speaker 1: windows and doing other assorted things. And by five oh
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Speaker 1: six that morning, her students taking her exercise class called
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Speaker 1: nine one because she was dead. Ye. That goes back
32:00
Speaker 1: to when Carina or Molly they were jogging on their
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Speaker 1: own and an isolated area. Here, Molly, Missy Beavers is
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Speaker 1: going into a completely empty church at a very odd
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Speaker 1: hour when no one is out in about four o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning. This does not mean you have to
32:24
Speaker 1: stop living the life the way you live it, but
32:28
Speaker 1: be careful. For instance, if you have to run at night,
32:32
Speaker 1: minimize your risks to a route you've run before so
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Speaker 1: you know the pitfalls and the danger areas. If you
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Speaker 1: can run in a neighborhood of homes, why because most
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Speaker 1: likely people are home, not in a rural area, which
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Speaker 1: I've done many times, where there's nowhere to run too.
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Speaker 1: I remember when the woman I started this program with,
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Speaker 1: Julie Love, was out jogging. She realized she was being followed,
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Speaker 1: so she ran up to a house. It was in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the day, nobody was home, but she
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Speaker 1: pretended to be going in the home. Her purps waited
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Speaker 1: until she came out, and that's when they attacked her.
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Speaker 1: But you've got a better chance in a neighborhood of
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Speaker 1: houses that you can't approach. If long work hours make
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Speaker 1: it impossible to run during the day, just consider working home,
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Speaker 1: out at home or at a gym. To phil Va, Toronto,
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Speaker 1: Karna's father. Here, you've gotten Missy Beavers, who, for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: taught gladiator classes. Have you seen a picture of her
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Speaker 1: her biceps? I bet they're bigger than yours phil Va, Toronto,
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Speaker 1: and you are fit. I mean this woman was so buff.
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Speaker 1: If it had been a fair fight, she would have won.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, just like with Karina. So no matter
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Speaker 1: how fit you think you are, you're not a match
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Speaker 1: for somebody that takes you by surprise, comes up from behind,
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Speaker 1: or sucker punches you. That's why the only way you
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Speaker 1: can fight Bat is to follow tips and be careful. Now,
34:18
Speaker 1: speaking of your route, I don't know if this name
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Speaker 1: rings a bell to you, but it does to me.
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Speaker 1: Allie Bruger, take a listen to our friends at w
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Speaker 1: x y Z seven Detroit. It was on a Saturday
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Speaker 1: afternoon in July when thirty one year old Ali Bruger
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Speaker 1: was abruptly shot and left for dead during a routine
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Speaker 1: ten mile run on fish Lake Road in Holly. Three
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Speaker 1: years since her passing, and her parents say the pain
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Speaker 1: of losing their only child hits just as hard today
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Speaker 1: as the day they learned she would never come home.
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Speaker 1: And this happened our life. There's no Jilly, just nothing.
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Speaker 1: Her mother, Nikki, still drives her daughter's old red Hundai
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Speaker 1: as a way, she says, to keep her close while
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Speaker 1: her father struggles to face a new normal. You think
35:05
Speaker 1: of like maybe she's on vacation of something, she's at work,
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Speaker 1: and so on. Don't you don't really think about it
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Speaker 1: that she's gone for good. She worked hard to be
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Speaker 1: a nurse, she worked hard to Thomas complete that masters
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Speaker 1: and for somebody to just snuff out her life like that,
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Speaker 1: just for what reason? I need to know why the
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Speaker 1: case still unsolved. Ali had gone running on a Saturday.
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Speaker 1: It was July thirty, twenty sixteen, and this is significant.
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Speaker 1: It was a familiar route. She had been jogging almost
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Speaker 1: every day for the past ten years. It was two
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Speaker 1: thirty Broad, a daylight, herself, no theft, no rate that
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Speaker 1: we know of. What was the motive? She was gunned
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Speaker 1: down on this route? And that is why I advise
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Speaker 1: change your route. You know, every day when I go
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Speaker 1: jogging or running, I turn the same way. I always
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Speaker 1: turn left, I do the same loop. Once in a
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Speaker 1: while I take a different route home. That's totally not
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Speaker 1: a good idea. Explain it, Joseph Scott Morgan. You know,
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Speaker 1: people will become particularly if you you know, I use
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Speaker 1: the word predator a few moments ago, Nancy. The idea
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Speaker 1: is that These people watch. They watch for recurrent patterns.
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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned the gazelle at the watering hall.
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Speaker 1: They watch to strike at any moment in time, and
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Speaker 1: by not readjusting, they can time what you're gonna do,
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Speaker 1: day after day after day, and no wait till it's
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Speaker 1: at their advantage to strike when no one else is around.
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Speaker 1: By varying that pattern, you throw them off. You don't.
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Speaker 1: They don't know where you are when you're going to
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Speaker 1: leave the house. This was a predictable route that Ali
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Speaker 1: Bruger took every single day. Now her parents not only
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Speaker 1: are left wondering what happened, but are waiting for justice
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Speaker 1: to play out. This book is not to scare you.
37:09
Speaker 1: This book is based on thousands of cases compiled together
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Speaker 1: to arm you with evidence that may save your life.
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Speaker 1: You know what, after my fiancee's murder, my life didn't
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Speaker 1: mean very much to me. I would do anything, regardless
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Speaker 1: of the risk. But now that I have the twins,
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Speaker 1: I'm dedicating my life to protecting them as long as
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Speaker 1: I can, and that means having a mother. Don't be
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Speaker 1: a victim. Fight back Nancy Grace's Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,