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The Twot Seat: KATIE GINELLA (RHOC) · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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Speaker 1: To Teas and a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera
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Speaker 1: je Edge.
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Pod with myself,
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Speaker 2: Teddy Mellencamp.
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Speaker 1: And Katie Danilla.
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Speaker 2: I am so excited to have you here.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for inviting me, really, thanks.
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Speaker 2: For coming on in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I know it's been rough for you. Yes, if anyone
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Speaker 2: knows rough, I can tell you I was. I was
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Speaker 2: probably the most hated human there actually was. How it's
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Speaker 2: actually okay, okay, okay. I need you to embrace it
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Speaker 2: and enjoy it. It becomes fun.
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Speaker 1: It's enjoyable. Yes, okay, Well I'm waiting for that.
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Speaker 2: We just need you a couple of good friends on
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Speaker 2: the show and then it won't matter.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I put in my stories the other day.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny if I'm asked back, and if I
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Speaker 1: can bring someone on. My friend Noreene is literally perfect
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Speaker 1: for this show.
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Speaker 2: She's been to Wolf. Yes, I know her.
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Speaker 1: How do you know her?
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Speaker 2: I know her because back in the day I used
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Speaker 2: to work at CAA or UTA in the mailroom and
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Speaker 2: she was a client.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she's an actual actress. She did one hundred episodes
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Speaker 1: of Anger Management with Charlie she she's been in movies.
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Speaker 1: She's she's incredible, and she's feisty, so feisty that girl
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Speaker 1: could read anyone down, That's what I'm saying. And she's
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Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine. Her husband and Matt are
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Speaker 1: dear friends. Her husband was in the NHL for nineteen years.
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Speaker 2: Is this her second husband or first husband?
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Speaker 1: Second?
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Speaker 2: But I was gonna say I think I knew her first.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, her first they were married very briefly. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: she's lived on the street from her first husband. I
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Speaker 1: want to think mine was brief, but it wasn't. But
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Speaker 1: she's amazing and a real friend, an actual one.
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Speaker 2: So if you had her and then she bonded with
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Speaker 2: somebody else and that dodn't know each other, well, Jen's
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Speaker 2: no friend to you. Do you think she is?
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Speaker 1: I think she thought she was. But I'm very, very,
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Speaker 1: very hurt.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I said to Erica, I'm like, she has
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Speaker 2: the worst case of pretend amnisia I've ever seen.
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Speaker 1: Well, I remember, like looking back now, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you remember this, but towards the beginning of the season,
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Speaker 1: on the way down to the Golden Door, Yeah, I said,
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Speaker 1: I heard you called me a con artist. Did you
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Speaker 1: call me that? She was like, well, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but if I did, I'm sorry. And I was like, no, Jen,
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Speaker 1: did you like just say I didn't call you that?
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Speaker 2: Like did?
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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like anything you would say, you know,
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Speaker 1: and that I was kind of like, well, that's weird,
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Speaker 1: Like if you didn't say it, why wouldn't you just
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Speaker 1: say I didn't say it? You know.
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Speaker 2: The other thing is if you didn't say it, why
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Speaker 2: not say it? But every single time you ask her
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Speaker 2: for backup, she's never.
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Speaker 1: There, And I do yes, And I do remember last
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Speaker 1: year I went in for her a little bit, you know,
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Speaker 1: every interview I was talking about how people need to
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Speaker 1: leave her and Ryan alone because they were getting blasted
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Speaker 1: with things from last year.
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Speaker 2: But I think she went into this season. She had
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Speaker 2: a good fan reaction last year.
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Speaker 1: Did She's very lovable.
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Speaker 2: She's very lovable. So then I think she went in
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Speaker 2: and she was like, I'm not messing that up. I'm
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Speaker 2: not doing it in the second season curse. I'm giving
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Speaker 2: it to Teddy. I did get it. I got it.
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Speaker 1: I do think she didn't want to go down with
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Speaker 1: this sinking ship.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't want to go down with this ship.
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Speaker 2: All right, So going into the season, did you anticipate
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Speaker 2: the fan reaction that you got or.
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Speaker 1: No, Teddy, I was. I literally told Matt, I said
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Speaker 1: this yesterday in press, we need to go on hiding,
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Speaker 1: Like I think we should move to Ireland. No, We'll
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Speaker 1: go into the middle of nowhere. And Matt's like where
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Speaker 1: his grandfather's land is, great grandfather, We'll just live there
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Speaker 1: in that little shack, Like, let's just go into hiding.
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Speaker 1: I think people are going to hate me. People think
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I can't wait, and the fans
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Speaker 1: are gonna let me. I thought the opposite. I am
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Speaker 1: actually shocked by the love I'm getting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that you know something. I want
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Speaker 2: to kind of take it back a little bit. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to start with exactly what's happening right now,
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Speaker 2: but let's take it back a season. We go back
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Speaker 2: when you brought up the head paparazzi stuff. Yes, do
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Speaker 2: you regret that?
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Speaker 1: Yes? And no, yes, because I think the timing wasn't good.
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Speaker 1: It was very fresh and new in the season, and
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Speaker 1: maybe I should have waited on that. Yeah, but I
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Speaker 1: was being told to bring it up. And if you
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Speaker 1: notice if you look back. I actually only talk about
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Speaker 1: it one time. Everyone else talks about it. Gina was
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Speaker 1: encouraging me in text and calls, bring it up, bring
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Speaker 1: it up, and I did, and she was like, you
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Speaker 1: should tell her. I'm gonna tell her. So I did,
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Speaker 1: and then she's like, I told you not to say anything.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, wait what You literally told me
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Speaker 1: to say it? And I again, I thought it was
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Speaker 1: a silly, funny thing, like who cares if you did?
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Speaker 1: You did? You were going through I don't know Heather Debro.
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Speaker 1: I really don't know her, so I didn't realize it
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Speaker 1: was going to be.
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Speaker 2: Would you still say that you still don't know her?
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Speaker 1: I still don't know her. Yeah, no, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know most of the cast.
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Speaker 2: Who would you say, I mean, because we can't say Jen,
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Speaker 2: But who would you say you feel like a true
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Speaker 2: connection with in the group?
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Speaker 1: Well, it varies. In the beginning, it was Gina. I
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Speaker 1: thought she was being genuine. She met my two best
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Speaker 1: friends before we started filming, and my two best friends
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Speaker 1: were like, she's great. She's a fun girl. She's very outgoing,
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Speaker 1: she's very witty and quick, and my friends are like,
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Speaker 1: you're in good hands. We're not worried, You're gonna do great.
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Speaker 1: And then towards the middle, they were like, what the fuck.
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Speaker 2: She didn't realize she was coaching you?
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Speaker 1: I did not.
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Speaker 2: At what point did you realized she was coaching you? Well?
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Speaker 1: I got Okay. So the night before that golf party
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Speaker 1: that I had, yeah, she was on speakerphone. We were
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Speaker 1: talking about what I was going to say to Heather
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Speaker 1: because I was going to bring it up to Heather.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: She was like, Okay, this is what I just think
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Speaker 1: you should say, and I hung up with her. Matt goes,
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Speaker 1: she's using you. Yeah, she's using you, Katie, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, Matt, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: I'm with this woman now five days a week. I
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Speaker 1: don't think she's like that. And he was like, Katie,
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, stop talking about it.
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Speaker 2: So Matt can read people, and you can't.
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Speaker 1: We do that for each other. I think I think
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Speaker 1: we do that for each other when people are harsh
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Speaker 1: with him. I'm like that guy, you know. I think
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Speaker 1: we do that for each other. But no, he always
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Speaker 1: tells me, Katie, you can't save every animal. You know,
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Speaker 1: I am trying. I think it goes back to like
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Speaker 1: being adopted and wanting to be included. I think I
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Speaker 1: try to.
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Speaker 2: Like you and you want.
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Speaker 1: I am a people pleaser, You're a thousand percent and
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Speaker 1: it it's that's why I stayed married to my first
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Speaker 1: husband so long. How long were you married legally?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Ten years?
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Speaker 2: I think because this brings us back to your feud
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Speaker 2: with Emily got a little dark at the reunion when
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Speaker 2: she brought up your previous domestic violence incident and how
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Speaker 2: that affected the custody with your kids. Matt said on
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Speaker 2: a podcast that you had to be picked up off
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Speaker 2: the floor after. So can you give me a little
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Speaker 2: more insight on that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to talk about it really bad.
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Speaker 2: I can see getting emotional in that. I know.
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Speaker 1: I just I hate talking about I am. I hate
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Speaker 1: that it makes me look like a bad mother.
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Speaker 3: But really it was just a really horrible time of
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Speaker 3: life and I was just trying to survive and so
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Speaker 3: I I was literally homeless. I was seeking help of
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Speaker 3: a shelter in Atlanta. Now I can say that, I know,
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Speaker 3: I can say that facility and they were very great.
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Speaker 3: I didn't have help for my family. I had a
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Speaker 3: couple of girlfriends that helped me. But the fact that
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Speaker 3: it came out like you're a bad person, that hurts. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: because then I got them back.
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Speaker 2: You know, and clearly they love you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we're going through stuff right now with
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Speaker 1: my son Max, who's in Atlanta, so you'll have to say,
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Speaker 1: I guess what happens with that. But that hurt. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that was necessary, you know. But also they
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Speaker 1: didn't really know the context because they never asked in
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Speaker 1: the season.
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Speaker 2: Because so often people ask questions just in hopes for
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Speaker 2: being able to have a good response instead of actually
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Speaker 2: listening to what you had to say.
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Speaker 1: Right, And that was my qualm the whole time, Like
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Speaker 1: when I like, my words were jumbled inviting people to
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Speaker 1: buy this season, but I was really wanting to say,
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Speaker 1: let's get to know each other. I think that if
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Speaker 1: you actually knew who I was, you wouldn't hate me
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Speaker 1: so much. You know. I made a lot of rookie mistakes.
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Speaker 1: I'm not denying that I did, yea, and I wish
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Speaker 1: I could go back and change a lot of things,
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Speaker 1: But I didn't mean it. There was no crazy malicious intent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't feel like you're malicious. I feel like
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Speaker 2: sometimes you look scared or like a deer in headlights.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well when it's six verse one. Yeah, that's not
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Speaker 1: something I've ever dealt with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I get it. I get it. When you
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Speaker 2: began filming this season, did you expect Emily was gonna
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Speaker 2: apologize to you?
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Speaker 1: I know, I was hoping she would, that we could
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Speaker 1: move forward because we did have good moments last season,
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Speaker 1: and my daughter loved her kids, by the way, loved
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Speaker 1: her kids, So I was hoping we can move forward,
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Speaker 1: maybe because they never babysit again, but friendly. But no,
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Speaker 1: I didn't think she was, and I really hope she does. Though.
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Speaker 2: How was your daughter affected by all this?
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Speaker 1: Now, she didn't really want to film this season. You
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Speaker 1: don't see her. Yeah, well she was in Korea for
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Speaker 1: a while. But also she didn't really want to because
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Speaker 1: when all that came out last year, she got death threats. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: big time ones. And she's an influencer before any of
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Speaker 1: this Housewives stuff, she was an influencer. She has hundreds
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Speaker 1: of thousands of followers. She makes more money than I
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Speaker 1: do on partnership, Oh way more money than I do.
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Speaker 1: And she is hustling she's fantastic, she's smart, she's in college,
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Speaker 1: she helps me abandon like, she's an amazing human being,
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Speaker 1: and she was getting online. It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy how it happens, I know. And then once
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Speaker 2: it happens, and then there's just a pile on and
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Speaker 2: it just gets worse and it feels like it doesn't
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Speaker 2: go away. That I completely get. So then we get
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Speaker 2: to this season. We come into this season and you
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Speaker 2: and Tamar are arguing on whether or not you called
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Speaker 2: the Bravo babe correct and you're not showing a receipt.
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Speaker 2: You don't have reception.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can I just say something about this? Yes, when
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Speaker 1: Tamor said did you call her? My immediate thought was,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think they showed this in the episode.
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Speaker 1: Was I don't have that girl's number. What are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? I don't know her, what's her I don't
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Speaker 1: even know her name. And so after coming home from
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Speaker 1: the Golden Door, yes, I was texting and driving, but
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Speaker 1: I was looking in my at and t app and
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Speaker 1: I was like looking at the date that all that
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Speaker 1: happened with the Bravo Babe, and I was like, look,
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Speaker 1: if I can go back to my cell phone records
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Speaker 1: and show who I called, you know, the three days before,
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Speaker 1: the three days after the day up, I can prove
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Speaker 1: I never called this girl right right. So I went
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Speaker 1: back to her and my DMS and I looked at
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Speaker 1: the date and then I saw the audio. Oh, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, I did call her on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: I completely spaced. It was like, oh no. So I
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Speaker 1: went home. The next morning I had a scene with Shannon.
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Speaker 1: I told the producers I got to talk to Tama.
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Speaker 1: I need to tell her. I need to like be
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Speaker 1: like hey, I figured it out, and luckily she was
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Speaker 1: very kind about it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly what we want when we watch
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Speaker 2: a housewife show is conflict and resolution. We don't want
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Speaker 2: this like drawn out situation, which I think is happening.
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Speaker 1: Think you should make Ted talk about that to my
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Speaker 1: cast maybe yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean I think that we're going to get there.
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Speaker 2: I think we're going to get somewhere today. I know
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Speaker 2: that there's concern whenever anybody does a podcast like oh no,
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Speaker 2: this is just going to draw more hate. But I
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Speaker 2: think there's parts that just haven't been talked about, and
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Speaker 2: I think I haven't heard it as a viewer now
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Speaker 2: I'm a viewer and a podcaster, and like I watch
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Speaker 2: more Housewives than probably anybody. At this point, let's dig
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Speaker 2: into some additional questions. Okay, you again then denied filming
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Speaker 2: Shannon before admitting recording her. Why did you deny? Just
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Speaker 2: fear or.
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Speaker 1: Let me think back to that. I don't remember denying
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Speaker 1: I did it. I denied that I played it for Alexis. Right,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a video. It was a voice memo to
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Speaker 1: my husband, okay, and I sent it to Matt right then.
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Speaker 2: But then you also showed Alexis.
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Speaker 1: No, I did not. I did not know. We talked
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Speaker 1: about it at lunch, and so you told her. I
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Speaker 1: told her about it, one hundred percent. I did, and
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Speaker 1: Jen was at that lunch. I've never had lunch with
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Speaker 1: Alexis alone. I've never been alone with Alexis.
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Speaker 2: So you told her about it? What in the first place?
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Speaker 2: I mean, we all know that Shannon gets a bad
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Speaker 2: rap for some of her behavior to production and whatnot
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Speaker 2: on the way she behaves. Do you think she gets
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Speaker 2: a pass or some of her dramatic outbursts?
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Speaker 1: I think so. I think we all get passes for
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Speaker 1: certain things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe not me, but I was gonna say,
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Speaker 2: what are yours?
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty nice to production. You know,
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Speaker 1: I may have met someone recently that worked with her
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Speaker 1: on a show in Cabo and kind of backed me
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Speaker 1: up on this. Yeah, it was never to like expose her.
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Speaker 1: There's eleven, I think years of her exposing herself. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't need to. There doesn't need to be a
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Speaker 1: thirty second voice memo.
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Speaker 2: What was she saying that she even gave you that
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Speaker 2: thing of like I need to record this.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say because I don't want to.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But it was very erratic.
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Speaker 1: It was screaming, literally screaming. Her glam team had been
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Speaker 1: waiting for her for over an hour. She was late,
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Speaker 1: maybe even two hours, and it was just the most
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Speaker 1: outrageous thing.
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Speaker 2: It was just you were more gossiping.
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Speaker 1: With Matt correct And I mentioned this recently and I
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Speaker 1: found out that I'm not the only one that recorded
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Speaker 1: her in that room because it was so outrageous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so how come you didn't just say, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: recorded you?
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Speaker 1: What did I say?
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Speaker 2: You kind of beat her on the bush a little
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Speaker 2: bit like that's it's kind of that's a car that
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Speaker 2: gets me because I met I love you. I think
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Speaker 2: that honestly, watching this back, I'm like, fight for yourself
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Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: No, You're totally right, teddy, And I think sometimes things
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Speaker 1: are moving so fast these scenes. Then I'm like, wait,
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Speaker 1: what it's like watching a tennis match a lot of times,
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Speaker 1: and even with the like alexis hearing it, it's a
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Speaker 1: video and I was like, wait, what what like and
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Speaker 1: the Bravo babe stuff, I kind of space out, okay,
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Speaker 1: And I think some like at the Golden Door, I
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Speaker 1: had taken my anxiety medicine and it made me a stump. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I sat there like this like glare no glare, Like
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Speaker 1: I was nothing, and I was like, Okay, maybe I
14:28
Speaker 1: shouldn't take that anymore.
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Speaker 2: Or no food. Yeah, that's the thing. Like sometimes I think, like,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you have the right, okay, so you have
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Speaker 2: the right to fight for yourself a little bit. And
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Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like you just sit there and you
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Speaker 2: take it and you're like okay.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but it seem like it's a lie. One hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see how you think that.
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Speaker 1: I was being told at the beginning of the season
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Speaker 1: by some production people that are very kind and also
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Speaker 1: the women. You need to make amends. You need to
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Speaker 1: say you're sorry. You need to make this right. You
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Speaker 1: can't just have jed. So my thinking going into all
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Speaker 1: this is, Okay, I just need to apologize so we
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Speaker 1: can move forward. I need to admit I'm speaking me forward.
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Speaker 1: So that's what I was doing. So I'm in my
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Speaker 1: head like do I say the thing that I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: or do I do what I'm being told to make amends?
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Speaker 1: Because this show is about conflict and resolution, right, And
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Speaker 1: if they're thinking that, I'm at the hert So.
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Speaker 2: You didn't really believe some of the amends that you're
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Speaker 2: making and you.
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Speaker 1: Were No, I do feel bad for hurting people, even
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Speaker 1: if it's indirectly, right, Like if I said something about
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Speaker 1: you and it hurt you and you say, like Katie,
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Speaker 1: that was shitty, I'd be like, I'm sorry that I
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Speaker 1: hurt you like that. I do mean that, right, I
15:31
Speaker 1: got something that I'm owed, right, but I'm sorry that
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Speaker 1: I hurt you.
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Speaker 2: Just pro tip for the for the reunion. I'm sorry
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Speaker 2: that I hurt you for saying it like that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like an apology, right, But if you
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Speaker 2: just say hey, I'm really sorry. I care about you.
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Speaker 2: I messed up.
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Speaker 1: I said that to Shannon multiple times.
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Speaker 2: You did, Okay, Okay, So now we got to get
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Speaker 2: into the rest of it. So I'm going to first
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Speaker 2: start out with a rumor that I I heard.
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Speaker 1: Oh God, okay, So.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get into the Kiki monique of it all.
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Speaker 2: So I heard a rumor. So there isn't one part
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Speaker 2: of me and correct correct me anywhere that I'm wrong.
16:13
Speaker 2: There isn't a part of me that doesn't believe that
16:17
Speaker 2: you went out to dinner with Jen Ryan, Gretchen Slade
16:21
Speaker 2: and all this was talked about. It was, it was.
16:25
Speaker 2: So we'll get into the gen of it all in
16:27
Speaker 2: a minute. But what I was told, who knows if
16:31
Speaker 2: this is true. But I was told that Gretchen and
16:33
Speaker 2: Sheena are very tight, yes, and that Shina told Kiki.
16:39
Speaker 1: I have heard that from multiple people.
16:41
Speaker 2: Too, Okay, So I'm glad that we got that figured out.
16:45
Speaker 2: So you know, I heard that they are very tight.
16:47
Speaker 2: So there's multiple sources that could have told Kiki.
16:51
Speaker 1: There is an account that was created just for this.
16:54
Speaker 1: I was sent what uh huh. I'll send it to
16:56
Speaker 1: you if you would like me to, and actually they
16:58
Speaker 1: send it to Matt, and Matt's to me and he
17:01
Speaker 1: was like, this is how it makes sense, and it
17:04
Speaker 1: was Sheena. There's clips of Sena colling Gretchen with Kiki
17:08
Speaker 1: on their podcast together saying how do we get you
17:11
Speaker 1: back on the show? How do we do this? And
17:14
Speaker 1: it's also it's this stream of like twenty slides of
17:18
Speaker 1: how it makes sense that it allegedly was them.
17:22
Speaker 2: Because I heard that you said on Bile Files, what
17:24
Speaker 2: did you say? I'll die on that?
17:26
Speaker 1: I'll die on that I didn't tell Kiki.
17:28
Speaker 2: You didn't tell you gossip?
17:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, about myself. I was sitting at that lunch and
17:34
Speaker 1: she knew about the episodes that I hadn't even seen. Okay,
17:39
Speaker 1: she had seen screeners that I hadn't even been given.
17:42
Speaker 1: And I was it was before we filmed the reunion
17:45
Speaker 1: last year, and I was like, oh my god, I
17:47
Speaker 1: feel this way. I feel that way. We were talking
17:48
Speaker 1: about being a woman of color, the only woman of color,
17:51
Speaker 1: and kind of commiserating in that a little bit, and
17:54
Speaker 1: that's when I told her there are some things that
17:56
Speaker 1: I've seen with these women that make me feel a
17:58
Speaker 1: little weird and that's when I brought up the GENA thing.
18:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can talk about We'll talk about the
18:04
Speaker 2: GENA thing in a bit, but I have to first
18:06
Speaker 2: get into this a little bit more So. The reason
18:08
Speaker 2: the naked wasted situation became such a big deal was because,
18:14
Speaker 2: I mean, from what I was told was that Slade.
18:19
Speaker 2: I think things are getting a little bit confused. I
18:22
Speaker 2: think because if you were told if you say something,
18:25
Speaker 2: or Matt says something, or Slade something says something, or
18:28
Speaker 2: Gretchen says something, it's they're not being tied together. I
18:32
Speaker 2: didn't say it, But if Slade says it, Gretchen says it,
18:36
Speaker 2: if Matt says it, you said it. I mean, you're
18:39
Speaker 2: all at dinner.
18:39
Speaker 1: Together, correct, and somebody I think it was that up
18:42
Speaker 1: and Adam Guy just said, I have a theory, and
18:45
Speaker 1: my theory is that it wasn't Gretchen that said it.
18:47
Speaker 1: It was actually Slade. And that's why semantics. No, she
18:50
Speaker 1: said it, she said it. It came from her mouth.
18:53
Speaker 2: How is there any stretch of the imagination that Jin
18:56
Speaker 2: couldn't remember that she said it.
18:58
Speaker 1: She was sitting right next to her.
19:00
Speaker 2: Was she blackout drunk? No?
19:02
Speaker 1: I think we were on our first drink, So can
19:06
Speaker 1: I just can I paint the picture for you? Yes,
19:08
Speaker 1: there was a It was a rectangular table. It was me,
19:11
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan on one side. Directly across from me was
19:16
Speaker 1: Jen Gretchen Slade. So the guys had one end and
19:19
Speaker 1: we had one end. Gretchen and Jen are talking, talking, talking.
19:22
Speaker 1: I'm basically quiet because they're talking about their hatred of Tamara.
19:27
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of sitting there listening. I have
19:29
Speaker 1: a coke in one hand and a Martini in the
19:30
Speaker 1: other because of our two favorite drinks, so I'm just
19:32
Speaker 1: like sipping, sipping, sipping, right, So then I'm listening. Then
19:35
Speaker 1: she tells the story and I like elbow Matt, and
19:37
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen to this. They told a lot of
19:39
Speaker 1: stories of things that Tamara had allegedly done to them,
19:42
Speaker 1: not Jen and Ryan, Gretchen Slade. And this is our
19:45
Speaker 1: first dinner with Gretchen and Slade. I don't know her, okay.
19:48
Speaker 1: I've had one lunch with her. I've seen her at
19:50
Speaker 1: balmaand party. This was end of September, long before she
19:55
Speaker 1: even knew about casting. She knew about casting in December,
19:57
Speaker 1: so there there. I don't I don't know. They did know,
20:00
Speaker 1: and they were setting me up. I don't know whatever.
20:02
Speaker 1: But I'm going in like, okay, I'm just meeting these
20:05
Speaker 1: people and they're screaming this from the rooftops in the
20:07
Speaker 1: middle of a crowded restaurant and you're just meeting me
20:10
Speaker 1: and people are saying, oh, she said, Oh. I told
20:13
Speaker 1: her in confidence a friend. I told her, you know
20:15
Speaker 1: something that was supposed to be sacred or whatever words
20:18
Speaker 1: she used. She never said, Hey, I'm going to share
20:21
Speaker 1: this with you. Don't tell anybody this is this is bad.
20:25
Speaker 1: Bravo is involved. Don't tell anybody. None of that was said.
20:27
Speaker 2: What's all this? Nine? When one call me? Nine one? One?
20:30
Speaker 2: Thing that happened when you were in New Orleans.
20:32
Speaker 1: So, okay, it had come out Tamar had said something
20:35
Speaker 1: to her, Hey, Katie's going around saying I roofeed you
20:38
Speaker 1: number one. I'd like to point out I never used
20:39
Speaker 1: that word, because she didn't use that word. She used
20:42
Speaker 1: the word drugged, drugged, So I never used that word.
20:45
Speaker 1: So I got a call from Matt Katie, what is
20:49
Speaker 1: going on? Slade just called me. He said, you have
20:52
Speaker 1: to back up, Gretchen tell people she never said it.
20:55
Speaker 1: He sent me a nine to one one text. He's
20:57
Speaker 1: called me repeatedly. I mean that, I say so, Well,
21:01
Speaker 1: I mean, this is all he's ever known. This is
21:05
Speaker 1: you know, my It's funny.
21:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what he can't get a job for the
21:09
Speaker 2: last ten years because of He's blaming Tamra for it.
21:13
Speaker 1: Yes, but why I have no idea. He has a
21:18
Speaker 1: daughter and I think he needs to work. Yeah, I
21:21
Speaker 1: don't know. It's funny. My sister in laws don't watch
21:27
Speaker 1: the show. Well now they do because of me, but
21:28
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't do reality TV. One's a professor
21:31
Speaker 1: and well actually they're both professors. And they were in
21:33
Speaker 1: northern California on a walk in a park, a random park.
21:35
Speaker 1: They ran into Slade's mom randomly. They sent Matt this
21:39
Speaker 1: text and it was like a photo of them with
21:42
Speaker 1: his mom and they're like, we ran into Slade's mom
21:44
Speaker 1: and she's like, he's a narcissist. He's on his fourth
21:48
Speaker 1: Orange County Wife Housewife from the show, And.
21:52
Speaker 2: Why am I missing one?
21:53
Speaker 1: I know that's what I said, I'm missing one.
21:56
Speaker 2: Oh he dated Laurie. Oh, so it is for.
22:00
Speaker 1: And she his mother called him a narcissist. His mother.
22:04
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I so I didn't even respond, but
22:07
Speaker 1: Matt responded like, we know, yeah, okay.
22:10
Speaker 2: So you think this is where it's just driving me
22:14
Speaker 2: so bananas. I'm gonna just I feel like I'm beating
22:17
Speaker 2: a dead horse. But like, as your friend have you
22:20
Speaker 2: had as like a friend of yours, have you said
22:23
Speaker 2: to Jen off camera? Why are you pretending you heard nothing?
22:29
Speaker 1: So yeah, sort of after New Orleans we talked a
22:32
Speaker 1: little bit, but not really. I was pretty drained from
22:37
Speaker 1: that trip. You saw me kind of reach out to
22:41
Speaker 1: her at that Lie Detector party. I was like, Jen,
22:44
Speaker 1: you know, I meet with her and I try to
22:46
Speaker 1: tell her like you've probably seen the clip. The clip
22:48
Speaker 1: is online a US meeting for coffee and I was like,
22:51
Speaker 1: I'm kind of hurt that you never reached out to
22:53
Speaker 1: me last night after the Lie Detector party and she
22:56
Speaker 1: was like, well, I was mad, and I was like, what,
23:00
Speaker 1: We've talked on the phone about it. We've had exchanges
23:02
Speaker 1: about it. I called her when Gretchen got cast and
23:05
Speaker 1: I said, do you remember this happened? And she was like, here,
23:08
Speaker 1: talk to Slade because they were in Palm Springs and
23:09
Speaker 1: there were some fans around them. Then I text Gretchen,
23:13
Speaker 1: I will never bring this up. Okay, I have that receipt.
23:17
Speaker 1: I will never bring this up.
23:19
Speaker 2: So you text Gretchen, I'll never bring this up. So
23:21
Speaker 2: you don't. I don't, you don't. But then when it
23:25
Speaker 2: is brought up, that's where you kind of went into
23:28
Speaker 2: your shell.
23:29
Speaker 1: Correct. So I went to that dinner and New Orleans like, Okay,
23:32
Speaker 1: I got to protect my friend or she's going to
23:34
Speaker 1: be in trouble and I'm going to be in trouble.
23:36
Speaker 2: I also heard that Gretchen wasn't great TV on that
23:39
Speaker 2: episode on that season of that we never saw.
23:42
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant the no tears part of
23:45
Speaker 1: my episode.
23:49
Speaker 2: Was that the gee, no, how did she just have
23:54
Speaker 2: her wisdom teeth removed? When you were in New Orleans?
23:56
Speaker 2: Like what happened?
23:57
Speaker 1: I think that was the microphone?
24:00
Speaker 2: What's going on? Can I set a fish girl? When
24:03
Speaker 2: you guys were on the boat not knowing wherever you
24:06
Speaker 2: are on?
24:06
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it was the microphone because you noticed
24:08
Speaker 1: the scene with Tamar when she's telling her, when she's
24:10
Speaker 1: like outing me for whatever I allegedly did. Tamar's microphone
24:13
Speaker 1: was like that too.
24:14
Speaker 2: Oh.
24:14
Speaker 1: I think it was the microphone.
24:15
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was like what I heard it too?
24:18
Speaker 2: I was like, cotton balls in your mouth? Is going
24:20
Speaker 2: on here?
24:20
Speaker 1: Maybe if she did and she's under amnesia, we'd get
24:22
Speaker 1: the truth.
24:23
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my go Jen needs some cotton balls.
24:26
Speaker 1: A detector test. We have an amnesia party. Oh, let's
24:28
Speaker 1: have where we all get like drugs and then we
24:31
Speaker 1: come out of it and they ask us questions.
24:33
Speaker 2: Speaking of amnetia, how does Gretchen forget that she's done
24:37
Speaker 2: a lie detector test before with the same guy, with
24:39
Speaker 2: the same guy, and you know how I feel about
24:41
Speaker 2: that guy.
24:42
Speaker 1: Well, everyone feels the way you feel about that guy.
24:44
Speaker 2: So just to give you guys the don percent, now,
24:47
Speaker 2: Gretchen went on with him on Marriage boot Camp. She
24:52
Speaker 2: did a lie detector test with him. So when she
24:54
Speaker 2: says she's never taken a lie detector test before, she
24:57
Speaker 2: has been on marriage boot Camp.
24:59
Speaker 1: But can I tell, are you something funny? Not funny?
25:03
Speaker 2: In funny but not funny but not funny?
25:05
Speaker 1: In that scene Okay, they didn't show this, but in
25:08
Speaker 1: that scene she was pacing. We were all a little
25:11
Speaker 1: bit nervous. I was this physically sick before.
25:14
Speaker 2: What was making you physically sick when you heard lie
25:17
Speaker 2: detector test.
25:17
Speaker 1: No, I got there and I was sick before they
25:21
Speaker 1: even announced. People are like, oh, she's sick, she's a liar. No,
25:24
Speaker 1: it's because I got into that room of a bunch
25:25
Speaker 1: of people that don't like me, walking into a house
25:28
Speaker 1: of a woman that hates me. It doesn't feel that
25:30
Speaker 1: great and soon to be kicked out. Correct. She was
25:33
Speaker 1: pacing back and forth, and she goes, you know, I
25:35
Speaker 1: think they've had a lie detector on another housewife show.
25:39
Speaker 1: She said that, and I was like, they did. And
25:42
Speaker 1: then someone else and I honestly can't name who it was,
25:46
Speaker 1: I don't remember, said oh, yeah, they did on Beverly Hills.
25:49
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's weird, you know. And
25:52
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, oh my god, and I'm just
25:55
Speaker 1: sipping water. And they showed that in the teaser because
25:57
Speaker 1: it makes feel guilty. But I had just three times.
26:01
Speaker 2: And so you were sick prior to arriving. It was,
26:04
Speaker 2: it was prior to finding out those lives.
26:05
Speaker 1: It wasn't a stomach bug. I was literally so anxious
26:08
Speaker 1: about just being.
26:09
Speaker 2: There, just being there around people that you didn't feel
26:12
Speaker 2: comfortable with.
26:13
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was in the car service all the
26:14
Speaker 1: way down and I was like, forgot to take my
26:16
Speaker 1: anxiety medicine. I should have turned around and got it.
26:18
Speaker 1: And also, I'm leaving my kids for this. Yeah you know,
26:21
Speaker 1: like that, doesn't you know this?
26:22
Speaker 2: I know? But also we can't say here's the thing,
26:25
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you another thing. What I'm leaving
26:28
Speaker 2: my kids for this. We all leave our kids for
26:30
Speaker 2: our jobs. Yeah it happened, I know, But you have
26:33
Speaker 2: to also say, like I signed up to do this,
26:36
Speaker 2: I'm here to do this, and that's why I went.
26:38
Speaker 2: And but this is where you got to fight for
26:39
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit. When people are doing you wrong.
26:43
Speaker 2: You have to stand up for yourself, like not to Jen.
26:46
Speaker 2: Did you hear that? No, it's I want you to
26:49
Speaker 2: go into the reunion and be like, Jen, there isn't
26:52
Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope that I forgot that you heard
26:58
Speaker 2: this conversation, Like you need to hold her feet to
27:00
Speaker 2: the fire.
27:01
Speaker 1: Well, now, looking back, when I did call her in
27:03
Speaker 1: Palm Springs and she hot potato the phone to Ryan, yeah,
27:05
Speaker 1: I think she was like, oh shit, does.
27:07
Speaker 2: He do all her dirty work?
27:09
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that.
27:10
Speaker 2: You don't know that. You're good at You're good at avoiding.
27:14
Speaker 1: The question, what are you talking about?
27:17
Speaker 2: I don't know my first day on the job here, detective.
27:21
Speaker 1: I think slave does for a fact. I know that
27:24
Speaker 1: for a fact, But I don't know truly. I don't
27:25
Speaker 1: know about Ryan. No, he's always been really nice to me.
27:30
Speaker 1: But I don't know why both of them aren't, like
27:32
Speaker 1: you know what they kind of did slip up and
27:34
Speaker 1: see them, yeah.
27:35
Speaker 2: You know. Kiki also brought up Gina, asking if you
27:49
Speaker 2: were wearing Asian designers, why did you not make it
27:53
Speaker 2: a bigger deal last season or this season? Like you
27:57
Speaker 2: kind of we only can kind of men it to Jen.
28:01
Speaker 2: Correct off the side while you guys are on the bikes.
28:04
Speaker 1: Correct that was last season?
28:05
Speaker 2: Oh that was last season.
28:09
Speaker 1: Again. I was in the frame of mind, I need
28:11
Speaker 1: to repair my relationships, and if I were to address
28:14
Speaker 1: that with Gina when she already hates me because of Emily,
28:17
Speaker 1: you think that that would have repaired a relationship, that
28:19
Speaker 1: would have just brought us way backwards. So I didn't
28:22
Speaker 1: bring it up. It is. It was very hurtful. Again,
28:25
Speaker 1: I said this yesterday. I am not looking to Gina
28:29
Speaker 1: for advice on how to be Asian or how Asian
28:32
Speaker 1: I need to be. So I'm going to do that
28:35
Speaker 1: on my I.
28:36
Speaker 2: Could give you your roses there. That's probably a good.
28:39
Speaker 1: Idea, Okay, So I'm just gonna I'm going to do
28:41
Speaker 1: that on my own.
28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Or how to dress or how to make tiktoks?
28:46
Speaker 2: Should you ask her or Gretchen and Jen how to
28:49
Speaker 2: make tiktoks?
28:50
Speaker 1: Well, they just copied it, So no, I literally, I
28:54
Speaker 1: literally just wanted to highlight Asian brands. I said that
28:57
Speaker 1: to my stylist, I said that to Matt, I said
28:59
Speaker 1: that to all my friends. Because I'm the first Asian
29:02
Speaker 1: on Orange County. Why wouldn't I do that. I never
29:05
Speaker 1: said it's going to be exclusive. You know, I do
29:07
Speaker 1: wear Zara and stuff, like it's not Asian.
29:10
Speaker 2: But I feel like you said Balenciaga, like they panned
29:14
Speaker 2: to that, Like I'm like, yeah, of course that's what.
29:17
Speaker 2: And the difference between first season and second season is
29:19
Speaker 2: very different.
29:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:21
Speaker 2: I mean my first season, I remember having a pair
29:23
Speaker 2: of wedges on like super high and like booty shorts
29:26
Speaker 2: and like going into Kyle's stone. Probably it was it's
29:30
Speaker 2: what got me the.
29:31
Speaker 1: Job that Booty.
29:34
Speaker 2: Your stylist did a TikTok to defend you. Can you
29:37
Speaker 2: can you go into this a little bit?
29:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they were really offended because Gina said, these
29:41
Speaker 1: two fucking stylists, and they were like, she doesn't realize
29:45
Speaker 1: that more than half of my looks are either an
29:47
Speaker 1: Asian designer or an Asian creative director. And if you look,
29:52
Speaker 1: a lot of my jewelry are Korean owned brands. I
29:56
Speaker 1: just don't say it. Hi, this is Korean my necklace.
29:58
Speaker 1: Do you want to see it? Yeah? I don't.
30:00
Speaker 2: I don't you know, No, you just want to promote it.
30:03
Speaker 1: You it's correct, Yeah, I don't. They did a TikTok
30:08
Speaker 1: showing some of the looks that are some of our
30:10
Speaker 1: favorites from last season and a few from this season,
30:13
Speaker 1: proving that or Ve Lazier creative director is Michelle Ox,
30:17
Speaker 1: which is also at Ox, which was my gallery shoot
30:21
Speaker 1: Silver Dress. She's Filipino, Like, we we have to get
30:24
Speaker 1: past this. Oh it's not called you know, Katie, you
30:28
Speaker 1: and it's you know, like it's so, I don't know
30:34
Speaker 1: what to tell you, but it's literally an Asian creative director.
30:38
Speaker 1: I'm I am highlighting in the industry, and.
30:42
Speaker 2: You're well versed and you're passionate and you're doing what
30:45
Speaker 2: you love. Yeah, but I also don't want to be,
30:49
Speaker 2: you know, sitting here trying to kiss your butt and
30:51
Speaker 2: all the things I know.
30:56
Speaker 1: Keep going.
30:57
Speaker 2: Do you think the lie to test detective party will
31:00
Speaker 2: a setup?
31:00
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? I felt that way when I was
31:03
Speaker 1: there and when I was leaving, I was very upset,
31:07
Speaker 1: but I didn't know I can't prove it. And then
31:09
Speaker 1: watching it back when they were like, oh, we have
31:11
Speaker 1: a plan and we got Katie. Don't worry about we
31:14
Speaker 1: got her.
31:15
Speaker 2: And nobody seemed to care what everybody else was lying about.
31:18
Speaker 1: No, it was all about me. That's how it kind
31:20
Speaker 1: of shows you. In the moment, I couldn't have put
31:23
Speaker 1: two and two together. I was like, you know, it
31:26
Speaker 1: was all happening fast. But looking back thirty thousand feet
31:29
Speaker 1: and now watching, wow.
31:31
Speaker 2: Yeah it was a setup. It was a setup. And
31:35
Speaker 2: I can say from personal memory, a lie detector test
31:41
Speaker 2: isn't actually valid unless it's skinned to skin. I think
31:46
Speaker 2: we google this.
31:47
Speaker 1: A lot of people have said that to me. Also,
31:49
Speaker 1: light detector tests take like four to six hours per
31:52
Speaker 1: person in a controlled environment, not in Emily's closet.
31:57
Speaker 2: You know that not a controlled environment.
31:59
Speaker 1: And also the lie detector administrator needs to be certified
32:02
Speaker 1: within California to legally do it, and allegedly those two
32:08
Speaker 1: people are not certified. Yeah, they have no certification.
32:12
Speaker 2: They're they're paid actors. On their allegedly.
32:15
Speaker 1: Allegedly on their website, it says like a B and
32:18
Speaker 1: C a menu list of what you can get for money,
32:21
Speaker 1: and one of the options is full acting.
32:23
Speaker 2: I made this fight before, and I've got no war.
32:26
Speaker 1: With I'm backing you up. You are vindicated, Thank you,
32:30
Speaker 1: You're vindicated.
32:35
Speaker 2: Okay, Then we got to talk about the Big Cast trip.
32:39
Speaker 2: Were you put on pause or why weren't you there?
32:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you just have to watch and see.
32:47
Speaker 1: But I did want to go on that trip.
32:49
Speaker 2: You did want to You would have gone, Yes, you
32:51
Speaker 2: would have gone, Okay, gone, that's good to know. If
32:54
Speaker 2: you return. What's the first conversation that has to happen.
32:58
Speaker 1: Well, I think all those conversations are going to happen
33:00
Speaker 1: at the reunion, right. I think I'm owed some apologies.
33:06
Speaker 1: I was really hurt. I felt used. I feel like
33:09
Speaker 1: that was a setup. Yeah, I don't know. I need
33:13
Speaker 1: to see how the reunion goes.
33:15
Speaker 2: Can we promise to never say your truth again?
33:20
Speaker 1: I didn't choose that.
33:22
Speaker 2: I know you didn't choose it, but you have said, like, well,
33:24
Speaker 2: that is my truth.
33:25
Speaker 1: I have never said that is my truth. That Jen
33:27
Speaker 1: Ponti said, Oh that I have never said that. Okay, Well,
33:32
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say never never never never say.
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Speaker 2: Speaking out Hello. I also, I just want.
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Speaker 1: To want to don't say my truth because that sounds
33:42
Speaker 1: like it's a lie.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does it. It is my tagline, it is
33:47
Speaker 2: your My tagline is was I'll never do your dirty work.
33:51
Speaker 2: Meanwhile I was doing everyone's dirty work. So a professional
33:55
Speaker 2: of tagline. I know there's like five or six taglines,
33:58
Speaker 2: and then you kind of say the ones that you're
34:00
Speaker 2: comfortable saying.
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Speaker 1: And then I wanted to write some fun ones, but
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Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't get to write any of them.
34:05
Speaker 2: But you didn't get picked. Did any of them get picked?
34:08
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get to write any.
34:09
Speaker 2: Oh I wrote some, but none of them are ever used. Well, Rat,
34:14
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the fact that Gina said
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Speaker 2: in an interview that if you come back, she won't.
34:20
Speaker 1: I think it's very sad and I don't think I'm
34:22
Speaker 1: that scary.
34:23
Speaker 2: I think, do you think it's true? Let's let's be blunt.
34:30
Speaker 2: You think that's the truth. No, no, me neither.
34:32
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the truth.
34:35
Speaker 2: So don't speak in absolute Gina.
34:38
Speaker 1: I know, honestly, I've seen them say like I'm the
34:41
Speaker 1: Monica Garcia moment of the season. What no, what? There
34:47
Speaker 1: was no, there was none of that. I don't think
34:49
Speaker 1: I'm that scary or horrible to be around. I really don't.
34:54
Speaker 2: I think you just need a friend, a real friend.
34:57
Speaker 2: You need a real friend. And all this showed me
35:00
Speaker 2: was that Jen and Gina both are easily is it pliable?
35:06
Speaker 2: Is that the word?
35:08
Speaker 1: But but Teddy, don't you think that the housewife I'm
35:11
Speaker 1: not going to say game, but game is deflection, Like,
35:16
Speaker 1: of course it's deflection.
35:17
Speaker 2: Okay, But but then if you in these moments, if
35:21
Speaker 2: you're getting if you're getting hammered, and there is a
35:24
Speaker 2: percentage of a chance, that's where you could have said, like, yeah,
35:28
Speaker 2: I do gossip with Kiki Monique all the time.
35:31
Speaker 1: What was leave time?
35:32
Speaker 2: All right? One time time I gossiped with Kiki Monique once.
35:35
Speaker 1: Yeah I did gossip. I did, But I did say
35:41
Speaker 1: we went to lunch, right.
35:42
Speaker 2: But end of sentence, okay, and then people can take
35:46
Speaker 2: that with with what they want, okay, and then you
35:49
Speaker 2: then you're able to move on. But if you're if
35:51
Speaker 2: you're swearing on your life, if you're doing this, you're
35:53
Speaker 2: doing all these things, then people don't believe you.
35:56
Speaker 1: Okay.
35:56
Speaker 2: But yeah, of course, yeah, I love Kiki Monique. She's hilarious. Yeah.
36:00
Speaker 2: I saw at a couple of parties and we went
36:02
Speaker 2: out to lunch once and gossiped.
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Speaker 1: We did.
36:05
Speaker 2: Yeah the end are you lying there? No, No, I'm
36:09
Speaker 2: not a lie detector, but like there's nothing.
36:12
Speaker 1: You are good. Actually we need you instead anyway.
36:19
Speaker 2: That should be my new job, add to my resume.
36:22
Speaker 2: So in our final question, if you were to guess
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Speaker 2: what the seating arrangement would be at the union, what
36:28
Speaker 2: do you think it would be?
36:30
Speaker 1: Probably me and then everyone else quite literally next to me.
36:38
Speaker 2: Who's who's on one side of the couch?
36:41
Speaker 1: Everybody but me?
36:42
Speaker 2: No, you can't. You have to. This is we have
36:45
Speaker 2: to do. Legists. Let's break it down.
36:47
Speaker 1: I really think that on one side, I'm not saying
36:50
Speaker 1: this is in no particular order. I think on one
36:52
Speaker 1: side it would probably be me, Heather and Tamera and
36:55
Speaker 1: the other side everyone else. That's what I think. I mean, Tamor,
36:58
Speaker 1: I mean, Heather doesn't like me, but she is dear
37:01
Speaker 1: friends with Tamra. Yeah, you know, but.
37:03
Speaker 2: I think Heather could like you. I think that because
37:06
Speaker 2: I think you're likable in person.
37:11
Speaker 1: What do you try to say? Was that a dig?
37:13
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a dig. That is not
37:16
Speaker 1: very nice.
37:16
Speaker 2: I know, but I met you in person, so I
37:18
Speaker 2: already liked you.
37:19
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. I will say I really appreciate when
37:21
Speaker 1: I did see you at that same US Weekly party.
37:24
Speaker 2: Yeah for Kyle, the one that Kyle was on the cover.
37:27
Speaker 1: Yes, you were very kind. You knew that the reunion
37:30
Speaker 1: was really difficult for me, and I do appreciate that.
37:32
Speaker 1: I think you made me cry because that was I
37:35
Speaker 1: just I was on the heels of filming that and
37:37
Speaker 1: I was very emotional, and you made me feel really good.
37:40
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. No, But like I met
37:42
Speaker 2: you and I was like, this is a likable person.
37:45
Speaker 2: I think the problem is if there's too many cooks
37:47
Speaker 2: in the kitchen. I agree, then it's hard. And I
37:50
Speaker 2: think that because you are new, you're not fighting for yourself.
37:54
Speaker 1: I do need to fight more for myself, but I
37:57
Speaker 1: and I also feel like I need time to show
37:58
Speaker 1: who I am. I don't think anyone. Everyone just thinks
38:01
Speaker 1: I'm a shitster that actually don't know anything about me.
38:04
Speaker 1: People have messaged me like, I want to see more
38:05
Speaker 1: of your home life. I want to see more of
38:07
Speaker 1: you and your daughter.
38:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I want to understand you a little bit
38:10
Speaker 2: more so than I can judge you.
38:11
Speaker 1: Better make digs. You want to make more digs? Teddy Godly, Yeah, right,
38:20
Speaker 1: this is what it is.
38:22
Speaker 2: There's been rumblings that Shannon isn't going to be asked
38:26
Speaker 2: back as a full time housewife.
38:28
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she did tell me once and
38:30
Speaker 1: recently said in an interview, I think that her daughters
38:33
Speaker 1: are in New York City and she wants to be
38:35
Speaker 1: and her her daughters.
38:37
Speaker 2: Oh well, maybe that's it. I don't know, Maybe that's it.
38:40
Speaker 1: I mean, if my kids moved across the country, I
38:42
Speaker 1: would go, yeah, yeah, I would stalk them and follow them.
38:45
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you coming on the twats. You
38:48
Speaker 2: can see we're nice and twatty, but you know, and.
38:51
Speaker 1: Maybe you can change Erica's mind because I saw the clips.
38:53
Speaker 1: She said she didn't want to know me.
38:55
Speaker 2: Yea, she said she didn't want to be your friend.
38:57
Speaker 2: I know that.
38:58
Speaker 1: Talk about a dagger.
39:00
Speaker 2: You know what. She didn't want to be my friend
39:01
Speaker 2: for two years and now she's one of my best friends.
39:03
Speaker 2: So you know, there's there's home shame.
39:06
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's my muse of like fashion. I
39:08
Speaker 1: look at her and I'm like, can I be Erica
39:10
Speaker 1: Jane one day?
39:11
Speaker 2: She's lovely. You would love her, and once you meet
39:13
Speaker 2: in person, you will, Okay. I think it's hard to
39:16
Speaker 2: judge people solely off of what you see on television.
39:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I did. I can I just
39:23
Speaker 1: say really quick, I first met you last year filming
39:26
Speaker 1: that Traders party, and I was a little scared of you.
39:29
Speaker 1: You were to meet you because you you are a
39:32
Speaker 1: very strong personality, and what I remembered of you being
39:35
Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills, I was like, oh fuck, she's gonna
39:37
Speaker 1: hate me her. And then I met you and I
39:39
Speaker 1: was like, first of all, you're stunning in person. I
39:42
Speaker 1: think I told you. I was like, tod you, why
39:43
Speaker 1: are you so hot? And then I was like she's
39:45
Speaker 1: so nice?
39:46
Speaker 2: Oh thank you?
39:47
Speaker 1: Were so normal and nice, and I was like, Okay,
39:48
Speaker 1: there's nothing to.
39:48
Speaker 2: Be scared of.
39:49
Speaker 1: She was actually really great.
39:51
Speaker 2: I think that's that what ends up happening a lot
39:53
Speaker 2: of the time. You it's like people thinking, you know, oh,
39:57
Speaker 2: people always you're still I bet you're.
39:59
Speaker 1: Tall, and I'm like, I did think you were taller.
40:02
Speaker 1: People always think I'm tall and then they meet me
40:04
Speaker 1: and they're like, and you're a tramp.
40:05
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, so it's I'm like, you're towering over me.
40:10
Speaker 2: So but yeah, you guys. Thank you guys for tuning
40:13
Speaker 2: in for another episode of to Teas in a Pod.
40:16
Speaker 2: I hope that you listen to this podcast and that
40:18
Speaker 2: you listen with open ears, actually listen to it, listen
40:22
Speaker 2: to the facts, and so that way we can go
40:24
Speaker 2: into the reunion and have some fun fun. You gotta
40:28
Speaker 2: make it fun.
40:29
Speaker 1: What part of it is fun?
40:32
Speaker 2: Listen you need it's not read.
40:35
Speaker 1: Something I am from Atlanta. It's not that I don't
40:38
Speaker 1: know how okay, because what goes on up here, I.
40:42
Speaker 2: Know I can see you processing and then not saying
40:45
Speaker 2: what you're actually thinking. I'm scared. I did the same thing,
40:48
Speaker 2: and I regret it. I'm telling you.
40:50
Speaker 1: But okay, I have a re recording. Is think about
40:53
Speaker 1: what my history, my work history is. I work in golf.
40:58
Speaker 1: You think we're like, yeah, I had a bitch and golf. No,
41:01
Speaker 1: we're very much like great to meet you, right, So
41:04
Speaker 1: it's nice I am switching gears up here, do you
41:07
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
41:08
Speaker 2: I know, but just that first gear that kicks in,
41:10
Speaker 2: that's the one I want you to go with at
41:12
Speaker 2: the reunions deal.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it in my mind, this is for Teddy,
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Speaker 1: all right, Thanks guys, Hi