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- 0:01Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
- 0:07season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
- 0:14Listen to it on radio train topic which maybe friends very but very good afternoon.
- 0:29Here we are starting the afternoon in plural construction. Half a hour we
- 0:34' ll try to get the game out. We will be if we can,
- 0:37with Marcelo Cantelmi and otherwise as planned, with Don Julio Buroman. She
- 0:42' s very nice. The 19th almost twenty degrees. That' s TN
- 0:45' s screen at sixteen o' clock one today and I' m gonna
- 0:50get hit by rain there is over, because you tempere makes us the cold
- 0:52order, but it' s going to be cooler. Twenty- four.
- 0:54The Belina accuses Senator Pellegrini of pressing, once again loan that he returns to
- 0:58centrality along with the financial cao brands on a day of calm, with just
- 1:00a little bit of going down the same country and keeping blue and raising the
- 1:04other financiers. The mechl counted with like starts argenzuela stable constant stable of Jorge
- 1:11Real, zincu n channel, twenty- six, Russia frustrates tempted them in
- 1:15daily and the most last song is with publicity. He' s a pontollillo.
- 1:19Then let' s see how we do it. They usually displaced the
- 1:23leadership of the current police more than a month away from the secret meeting between
- 1:26Maximo Pisner and Moreno. You' re rendezvousing them. I learned in the
- 1:30PJ and if Infobae Donna Book I told them if in singing two thousand four
- 1:34hundred fifty five risk country hardly drops a zero with more six that is under
- 1:38ninety- six hundred thousand five hundred ninety- two points counted with Licky thousand
- 1:42three hundred twenty- four thousand three hundred fifteen dollars me where I was going
- 1:47today. Well, everything we talked about. It makes a long, two
- 1:49- hour special show with Ferrari returnedson with Keeper standing the selection theme, as
- 1:56you know here. Then that raisins we scream live, should come in the
- 2:00worst renun a gago of glue that yes no good. The government of Emilés
- 2:06one expectant, is magician, is populist, is afraid to lose against Messi,
- 2:10to waste the play. In public opinion. Of course, going against
- 2:15selection and not talking is a big problem. Going against Messi or talking can
- 2:19' t go against popular issues. Well, let' s see if we
- 2:22can find Julio Burman right now. That' s where we start with him.
- 2:23I sang the mic now for another time. There' s no problem.
- 2:27Next week we are starting Tuesday, as Carlos has always arranged to share
- 2:30the afternoon the beginning of the week, we, probably also Dr jue José
- 2:35Waresti we will see there was a breaking news that said this was a rumor
- 2:43published by an American media. I don' t think Washington or I'
- 2:46m wrong that Obama thinks Byden should seriously reconsider. Those are the words that
- 2:52I would have used and you capture him, for example, the sixth in
- 2:59Spain for his condition is health. Either Obama believes that Vaiden or we'
- 3:01re going to be President that these Baden incursors think it' s going well,
- 3:06he should seriously reconsider the future of his candidacy. The former President of
- 3:08the United States imprisoned in nearby circles, as revealed by the Washington Post,
- 3:13that the President must consider is to seriously reconsider the future of his candidacy.
- 3:16And there' s Harris Camera. One thinks that the most possible candidate in
- 3:21this case in the middle yesterday very suggestive, all very suggestive, goes and
- 3:24well said only this would leave the candidacy for the presidential race for a health
- 3:30issue. And now it became known after that, though mild, but at
- 3:32his age. He' s got covid here at Casa Valentina. I hear
- 3:37you have covid who in the President of the Union. But the covid had
- 3:38not gone well, that were some reminders and troublesome will be for older people,
- 3:43not for young people. Obviously, luckily I read I allowed myself a
- 3:46correction. Watching check the political correction and it was with first chap that gpt.
- 3:51I didn' t ask him why, Camera. Harry tells you,
- 3:53President, it' s not very popular and well I threw myself a piece
- 3:57of very politically correct data. The last point in what the cha throws at
- 4:00me probably has more to do with the unpopularity of Kamara Harris, the Vice
- 4:04President, who would eventually be the one who has the most, Chances Burman,
- 4:09will already tell me to replace complex national problems and is the sais point
- 4:15of Chatse a long text that if one puts because it is and popularity of
- 4:18calamala, Harris explains it. Harry has been in charge of dealing with complex
- 4:21problems such as the migration crisis on the southern border and the reform of the
- 4:25criminal justice system, which are extremely challenging tasks. I love how the word
- 4:30defiant is fashioned. When there' s a problem, it' s a
- 4:32challenge. I' m on board the divorce. Well, it' s
- 4:34a challenging scenario. Well, it doesn' t have easy or quick solutions.
- 4:39The political correction chap GPT is surprising. Sometimes, Don Julio Burman,
- 4:43I' m a friend, good afternoon, how you doing hello, how
- 4:45well you are. Well, you' re also guilty of a lot of
- 4:49corruption, corruption, political correctness. I don' t think so, but
- 4:54good. I' m trying to target you. I' m a narist.
- 4:58No. Objectivity does not exist, we think wrong, there is impartiality.
- 5:00Objectivity does not exist. No. What a joke is the intention to
- 5:04be beyond the fact that I never make it. Not one, but I
- 5:09say the director, is to try to be objective missions. Well, how
- 5:12do you think the fruit finally falls from ripe and bden gives up the candidacy
- 5:17these days, for these hours, reiters of his statement yesterday add up the
- 5:21run, although slight this transcends. This is not Obama' s official words,
- 5:27but it transcends different means of the world makes gold and a half.
- 5:30How do you think I' m in the movie? Look what we'
- 5:34re clear about, obviously, none of us have information and they' re
- 5:36ever gonna have it. But what we have less than Bailen' s health
- 5:40show became something than centrality to the whole campaign. It didn' t seem
- 5:47like Trump wanted to compete with them with an even more dramatic fact. It
- 5:53' s a bullet in Teresa, but it still doesn' t have everything
- 5:57under control. It' s the theme of dance health and, but that
- 6:00' s good or bad. That' s bad, no, no,
- 6:02no, I' m just trying to see what this campaign is leaving,
- 6:05I don' t say Julio, for the dance campaign that everyone focuses on
- 6:12their health. It' s good, it' s bad objectively, like
- 6:18saying, not for clan dancing, for dancing you' re bad now for
- 6:21the search party for good, maybe you have the chance, as I said
- 6:25abs just is to change it. Yeah, yeah, it' s replacing
- 6:26him. The problem with Jerry' s replacement if you said he' s
- 6:30an unpopular person and surely if they' re going to put another one,
- 6:34they' re going to put someone that he' s got in competitive.
- 6:39In addition, there is the great advantage that the quote advantage is that the
- 6:44Bugro Party that here does not need to go to primary school, that is
- 6:46to say it can put it to the Convention And that would even tell you
- 6:54that the point of view of the democratity of processes is very complicated. But
- 6:58to a great extent even desirable, because just the drama that has part of
- 7:00Bucket was that Goran already painted as a candidate who was too old, but
- 7:05still had a lot of support, perhaps for lack of another. How good
- 7:11and good to see not this being able to make an Underwood now not a
- 7:16frick Ander Bull is the house oscard. I mean, I mean, clearly
- 7:18in your i I don' t want you to go back to tibo,
- 7:21but I mean to get someone, an opportunist who couldn' t say in
- 7:26the primary implas, but maybe and now he can go in through the back
- 7:28door. Yes, yes, without having done fine work or wear. Again,
- 7:31I don' t want to put you on the ropes. You'
- 7:33re a fine analyst, but let' s leave it in terms of intuition.
- 7:36You think it' s effective. My intuition is that I saw it
- 7:40complicated, that it was lowered to bayo not to get off. But between
- 7:43yesterday' s health statement, the covid and this Obama transcends, I try
- 7:46to do as rigorously as possible, without rushing, without anxiety, but I
- 7:49see it hugged and that candidacy sunk. It is my intuition that you say
- 7:57none is there in Wington' s carcasses we don' t have, or
- 8:01we' re sorry, but I was telling you that all the big media
- 8:05in Nework, Tranjet and Economy, and it' s even all the media
- 8:11and Anglo- Saxons are asking for the Vai nce months announcement. So good.
- 8:13It' s like I actually thought that if Vais got over this one
- 8:18it would be almost as heroic as Trump' s replacement of the bullet.
- 8:22It wouldn' t be like the story of an older gentleman who still resists
- 8:26that I think they were part of the whole show, too. He'
- 8:30s riding around all of this that I don' t know how far you
- 8:35guys are going. As a fine analyst, international reality. Actually on time,
- 8:37I think quite a bit about the United States what happens to see is
- 8:41that a President must unrelentingly aspire to re- election, and that Trump'
- 8:46s leadership is such. So bought the conservatives from the Republican Party, that
- 8:50we fell into these two vegstories with the saltiness that trum is not so much.
- 8:56I mean, I mean, there' s no directional renewal for anything
- 9:00that could be raised with Harris and that, surely, well, Trump let
- 9:05' s remember the listener if he' s elected and sees January they don
- 9:07' t have the possibility of a third term. It is prohibited by the
- 9:09Constitution because it already had a first. You can have as American President at
- 9:13any time, followed not consecutively by the case of two other terms. If
- 9:16there is no more, I say generational regeneration is going to happen with the
- 9:22thirty- nine- year- old vice president candidate. It was Trump'
- 9:24s sign, but I' m saying what' s going on in the
- 9:28American system that we have these two old- timers hanging around and no one
- 9:30else has come out. Well, they' re two vegetorios as you say,
- 9:33you' re very different, because trump more renovation than after. I
- 9:35couldn' t see trumpin' that completely outside he wasn' t even a
- 9:39councilman, he' s not even a Republican. And besides, it completely
- 9:41changed the party because well, it didn' t change it as far as
- 9:46right, because it was already coming from benevolent, but it was turned into
- 9:48a Po Publica nationalist party since it was an absolutely liberal and conservative party in
- 9:56a much more conventional sense. No, so the renovation is a total outburst
- 9:58for the Republican Party. Well, I thought that moment was eight years ago.
- 10:03This was generated, it started eight years ago. Not like that anymore.
- 10:05But notice that when there was a little talk about the possibility, for
- 10:09example, that a Ron de Santis, who is an important governor in Florida,
- 10:16was renovation, it was talk about how much cheater he was about Ron
- 10:20de Santis, It' s like it' s very difficult today to think
- 10:24of a renewal that doesn' t come from the side of what tram represented.
- 10:26Therefore, that renewal, the headdress would be a change of person,
- 10:30but it would seem coin No one can in the Republican world renew the party,
- 10:39but it is one if it is not a trapper as transmitted as Trump.
- 10:43Therefore, it seems to me that the process of renewal of the Republican
- 10:48Party is not yet to be expected, because it is in a great internal
- 10:52revolution. There is no Democratic Party now. I think that the problem and
- 10:56this I say to him as an owner of Argentina, was that a great
- 11:01debate was created in the Democratic Party with the left area that had emerged that
- 11:07we have identified as the wing of Bernis Sanders, but realio there was more
- 11:11leader of that profile, so they were almost the European left and Vayden represented
- 11:18as the resistance to all that, as the right- wing center that,
- 11:24therefore, I believe he brought together all the Democrats that had to leave,
- 11:30which becomes something else. And maybe that' s what Kamala Harris was saying.
- 11:35I have to do with that because she is identified with this progressive sector,
- 11:39which was quite resisted by the most centrist Democrats. So, well,
- 11:43I think Byden stayed there as a guarantee that the Democratic Party is not going
- 11:48to go so far to the left as to lose Democratic voter. Now it
- 11:52would take another one to match that same profile, someone to ensure moderation.
- 12:01Why Harrys is unpopular plus some issues of managing the immigration issue that got in
- 12:05and apparently gave us a lot of good results. Opatten a little by vaive
- 12:11what this unpopularity that is said to have Harry looks a little bit like.
- 12:13Let' s say maybe I' m here speculating a little bit, but
- 12:20maybe she' s located in a place that' s unrepresentative of many important
- 12:26concerns of the Democratic voter. She was always left with a set of issues
- 12:30that are important to many people, not to the majority. In a context
- 12:35in which what is being discussed in the United States are the big alignments or
- 12:37what is the economy, the foreign relations, cra a little bit the typical
- 12:43prog the typical progress that defends minorities. I mean, he doesn' t
- 12:46deal with the macro, the most important thing when there' s no problem,
- 12:50but if he deals with political correction in terms of minority, let'
- 12:52s say something like that, which at some point may have been important to
- 12:58have a candidate who represents that ponies renewal, but at such a gras moment,
- 13:01she' s either as good as or placated. Not everyone running away
- 13:03today is discussing an election about the existence of the United States, almost because
- 13:09if China becomes the number one superpower, now at any moment, it is
- 13:13like the United States is going through a great shock where the dollar begins to
- 13:20be questioned all over the world. The military role of the United States is
- 13:24being questioned by the Russians, the Chinese will succinctly appear there the Indians and
- 13:28the Turks will also question why the United States has to have the last word
- 13:33in this or that region. I feel that they are no longer a number
- 13:35one power, that is, for the United States to let you do number
- 13:41one power is a very important issue, because the United States is what it
- 13:46is, because it is the number one power Trump is not to say we
- 13:52are still not Middle America, a ray of Get and Bden was also another
- 13:54way of saying the same thing, it was not the alliance with the other
- 14:01with Europe to defeat all these insolent ones. And in all that big debate
- 14:03so deep and camela carry appears as someone who has a secondary agenda. No,
- 14:09I don' t understand. I don' t understand myself. Today
- 14:11another one was added in Trayeri and today, at least, I am circular.
- 14:15I give Baden one more. He forgot the name of his Secretary of
- 14:20Defense and called him a black man. The black man. One more stain
- 14:24on the tip. After the failed shooting, let' s say the assassination
- 14:30attempt. We already have to give practically and let' s give it so
- 14:33suitors for the fact that trap is po President, it' s function of
- 14:37what they have against us what we are talking about baden or a refiltration of
- 14:41psychology. Well, good to see forgiveness not as such stayed. With all
- 14:48this we' re going to put him back. The bombing show. It
- 14:52doesn' t mean it' s an invention, but I' m saying
- 14:54everything that' s found. But that gave him a centrality. But now
- 14:56centeringeliera has the dance disease show You see that all this is a story that
- 15:01is finally told the big campaign. So I think it' s like back
- 15:07again that the truculent plot of if Byden has no tricks. It' s
- 15:13just that he hears and that' s not capable of being President, he
- 15:18' s now becoming another centrality and we' re starting with a super-
- 15:22candidate to put him on Michelle Obama. Suddenly, I don' t know
- 15:24if you' re cheating anymore. I don' t see her. I
- 15:26don' t see her at all. I don' t see it for
- 15:30if it isn' t jay speculated article as it would be a great letter
- 15:35to say surprise the entire readership undoubtedly, but you don' t see it.
- 15:39It doesn' t seem like Gaby Newson' s name is that I
- 15:43' ve just quarried the California runner, but it' s either Harry'
- 15:48s caamala it seems as far as you can see that you wouldn' t
- 15:54get out of there I say yes, yes, the radiating appearance of husband
- 15:54Obama breaks everything. I say, I repeat with all the caveats and the
- 15:58case doesn' t seem to me that you' re going to arise on
- 16:03that side, with a good candidacy. What you would have very much in
- 16:03favor of is that also, like TN came from without experience and that for
- 16:07many people is very attractive at certain times, as it was trumpes has not
- 16:12had any political experience, as Emiley is attractive today in the voter. There
- 16:18are certain contexts. People want instead, not and she would now represent a
- 16:22change. Well, if we' re speculating with something that was, but
- 16:27I made it a lost note and most of the note of Dimandra is good
- 16:33and if I don' t already bathe it I could change a little bit
- 16:37or competitiveness. I' m saying if it' s Harris Oe being California
- 16:40' s mistake. You see it and a reiter trumb you see it stinging
- 16:44in quiet tip or it opens again a little bit. It' s shuffle
- 16:47to what extent and give again. Well, there' s a figure who
- 16:49' s always spinning around and who, apart from that, represents a lot
- 16:56like the stable in democrat, which is not encipelosi. Not even she who
- 17:00went into this period, was this almost for the moment seemed more important than
- 17:04vaid in the American political system. And, well, that' s always
- 17:08a candidate for redundancy, too, and here it would be the Underwood in
- 17:15the background, because she' s just the great operator of Congress, who
- 17:21never had too much luck with the 50s. That' s why you never
- 17:22finish playing and a lot of fast juleo. He' s eighty- four,
- 17:27but well, yeah, well, well, like we said, I
- 17:33want to make can that you' re going to pull and with all the
- 17:37candidates that are so big, not mommies trm but good. Trump is seventy
- 17:41- eight, I think, and he wanted clear chen three. The end
- 17:44is to send you that I would start in which I would live, well,
- 17:48okay, yeah, yeah, they' re gonna end. We'
- 17:48re going to start seventy- eight with eighty- n a lot of generational
- 17:52renewal. The old man thing, with all due respect to bidon a tough
- 17:57old lady. What do I know about the process? There' s a
- 18:02lot of old people. It' s just not and besides, it'
- 18:04s a story of people who live a hundred years I' m attractive.
- 18:11What you thought of it all, I say all you said when you passed
- 18:15the Trump jo jo jo of the attack that what clarified it well I don
- 18:18' t mean. You didn' t mean what your setup would have been,
- 18:22let alone. How did you think I said I don' t know
- 18:26to see my law and or the Spanish boxing that is the international left.
- 18:32I mean, it wasn' t apparently like everything at the moment seems to
- 18:37me to indicate a loose nut that the John Lennons want fame or that I
- 18:41' m the same killer John Lennon, I mean, but that it'
- 18:44s going to be the international left. That mounted the campaigns of the ultras
- 18:47of Republicans or Trump who say this was all prepared by the secret service to
- 18:55leave a series and wanted to kill Donald etcetera, or someone else' s.
- 19:00But that a hundred was a montage to victimize him by the mounters,
- 19:03not because he hit him in the ear, hit him a little bit more
- 19:06and killed him. But I say, in time of networks, what the
- 19:08hell if you can do above all these phenomena that we see today exacerbated,
- 19:12let' s say with networks. Well, it' s a topic that
- 19:17' s been dealt with in the careers communication sciences of the 1990s. How
- 19:19politics becomes that in addition to a show a story to tell and increasingly looks
- 19:25like a movie. What we are seeing always seems that if not someone interesting
- 19:30story, can not see a campaign and the old campaign with platforms and for
- 19:36candidates saying their proposals no longer interests anyone. Everybody wants a story to a
- 19:41show. Basically not. And, well, I think Villey himself in an
- 19:47interview they do on the channel where if they do interviews, when Cristina tells
- 19:52him she tells her a showman and Law responds with a voice of looking like
- 20:00to do as the real Miley, talking and saying. And, well,
- 20:02we need at one time it requires a little show. There is not my
- 20:04law that all a small confession that he knows perfectly well that I am setting
- 20:10him up all the time, because it is the kind of policy that is
- 20:14being made at this time and I believe that this model of there is politics
- 20:19became so widespread that there is no longer any president of this boating sar.
- 20:22There are some who do it more thoroughly, but more or less we are
- 20:26all doing show at this time of the Presidents of America lemina and for the
- 20:30President of our country to say, I say as to the Bascales of Spain,
- 20:34like the ultras these, the first reaction is to throw it to the
- 20:38left and give it to an international left. It' s not even a
- 20:41local issue in America anymore. With all the subject that we have of the
- 20:45loose lonies, what milestones that here in fame, I am abuse of arms
- 20:48by the guerta amendment of what reaction generates you to say another fighe new I
- 20:56do not say one more. It is not that yes, but that it
- 21:00is not even the news is a political discourse with which the new right,
- 21:07or the so- called new right, wants to explain everything as that all.
- 21:10It' s a big battle against the dominant left. And that'
- 21:14s good, my law does. In Argentina all these leaders do it to
- 21:18Bascal, Well Marin depends much more on cabotage, let' s say,
- 21:23but they do it all as saying that they are in a battle that is
- 21:27played on many sides. So, Mirey, if he wins a box in
- 21:33some region of Spain, he feels like a win. So, well,
- 21:37everyone' s got the préte. How many others do these, how many
- 21:42more returns, whether it is the core of hard or it is to stay,
- 21:47to keep the gymnastics of the hard core, because I say to Donia
- 21:51Rosa, as Barna Ardoneuta of the center would say, let' s say
- 21:53it doesn' t go or come to her, but no one I think
- 21:56buy this from the left that dominates the world. The left is friendship.
- 21:57On the left, the international waiting took place. I mean, I mean
- 22:02that' s for gymnastics, for my own, let' s say what
- 22:04I already have insurance for. And probably on the one hand that, because
- 22:11I think, like you, you' re implying what you' re saying,
- 22:15that that' s not what you' re afraid most people will die.
- 22:18I think so too. I think most move for other reasons, not
- 22:21much more like what happens in the supermarket or what happens in the security of
- 22:23the neighborhood. Now it seems to me that, on the one hand,
- 22:30it maintains AIDS the hard core gives you identity and besides that it is a
- 22:34form of plants that Villahi has to show that he is above the average of
- 22:41politics. He plays this game, that he' s on a world level
- 22:45and that makes it different. And you what he does in the background is
- 22:51not to show how different he is now. If I say hello to see
- 22:57we go, if I go out now on the street, it' s
- 23:00naked, or that' s more tempered. I' m different, too.
- 23:04I think it is, that being instinct, is the bottom of the
- 23:08overall goal. And besides, being different by facing someone and I think it
- 23:17' s like the same thing that is played at the local level is played
- 23:21at the international level, it' s like it' s the same speech.
- 23:22No, but facing tends let' s say caste, caste, spends
- 23:26it facing whom. Well, we already know that this caste thing is moving.
- 23:33It' s moving a little and meaning in the Charter and suddenly it
- 23:37' s like I' m this in the Cold War already moving too.
- 23:42It' s the border. And well, and the Act suddenly is now
- 23:45the international left, United Nations progressism is changing what caste is. But right
- 23:53now the caste is also Pedro Sánchez, for example, he is a Social
- 23:59Democrat, he is not a communist at all. Let us not clarify how
- 24:02the German put with the President of Ulemas Crol if you want but well,
- 24:07yes, center mcroma, but well, the real day I say no further
- 24:12than later he winks to the left. But the government per says macro.
- 24:18It doesn' t have much difference, I say and someone internationally can consume
- 24:23this beyond the acolytes themselves, that I don' t know, I say
- 24:27it was you to give and let them give lessons to the davos because they
- 24:32are leftist. In other words, the world is or is dominated by not
- 24:34even social democracy, by some progressism, by the left. Someone can buy
- 24:40that out of your own that you applaud desperate of a don' t know,
- 24:44but you who are seeing in mile but as you have a known figure
- 24:47in many countries, there aren' t many countries in America, China where
- 24:51they' re all worried because totally, totally, but to see it'
- 24:52s okay. But I' m coming back with what I told you,
- 24:56with the crap I said, it' s kind of naked. They'
- 24:56re different, I' m flashy now, yeah, I' m famous
- 25:00to have I' m going to do a brutality. Hitler was also famous,
- 25:03I mean, but the fame that costs, with what convictions and with
- 25:06what real or sustained data he opens up in Europe comes to the figure of
- 25:10Milenia speaking in Spain. Now after, the substance, that is, the
- 25:14fame has it, the breaking eggs, breaks but the subject after, the
- 25:17substance, or so coherence or that it has. Let' s say,
- 25:22not good, but I don' t know to what extent what you'
- 25:25re proposing is such an important value Today it doesn' t seem like to
- 25:33play the communication game in the networks and to guarantee to be famous aleas,
- 25:40if more, you need to draw attention, than to say very rational things.
- 25:41Let' s say it like this, not total total, but that
- 25:45allows you to win. Now you allow yourself to rule, because I say
- 25:48we have melons I call him Lune. In Italy, for example, what
- 25:51has been centered there was a little problem with neo- Nazi things, it
- 25:56took them out, the censurón, the e- mails, that is,
- 25:59I say one thing in the campaign or it will make noise. And another
- 26:00thing is in principle going down a bit, that noise ruling in my liye.
- 26:04It seems that it does not happen, it is that this is of
- 26:07pragmatism, that we know that there were them from the base law is to
- 26:11Pope Patricia Buo, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
- 26:11It seems like a lot of people follow the showl and it doesn'
- 26:15t differ much. It' s the permanent campaign, as well as life.
- 26:18The end of quindrism makes a permanent campaign. But more of the show
- 26:22and the networks let' s say it seems to me that it' s
- 26:30the game that everyone is playing as well and that he' s going to
- 26:32play it all the way. On the one hand, yes, he is
- 26:34trying to see how he does to govern inflation and markets, that he does
- 26:41not finish responding to what he is making caputo, but at the same time,
- 26:45his game before public opinion. Your way of thinking every time you'
- 26:52re in a camera has a lot to do with it. So, I
- 26:55think it' s two levels and it' s true if you see it
- 27:00law very focused on nue of those my levels, which is the one of
- 27:03being all the time moving the public conversation. As you say now, no,
- 27:10but of course, that doesn' t necessarily lead you to rule.
- 27:14It is another dimension My leide impresses that much of those other dimensions, more
- 27:21of the gestiolas, is delegating. He didn' t look at it completely.
- 27:25Both the entire management, as it was, for example, the Nestor
- 27:27Killa, who was someone who transmitted in the ibueno not who and that is
- 27:30the other extroono, but mene yes, well who was the other end of
- 27:33the obsession menm let do, but was above b to have permanent cabinet information.
- 27:38One has the idea that he had much more connection with so Goinetus led
- 27:41as the one of menem letting not the obsession of who was the day-
- 27:45to- day. But my laws like that between the trips between the Swiets
- 27:48and others, it seems like, in fact it is the small table of
- 27:53Caputo and the Chico Caputo and Karina and eventually some Franco, something of Bullrichr,
- 28:00something of the Minister of Economy. And stop counting, yes. I
- 28:03think that' s why I think it' s important for the Millay model,
- 28:10because it' s not going to change this model that we said connecting
- 28:15him behind the Sports Secretariat, seeing the day- to- day in the
- 28:18pre- selection execution, as it was done, for example, that that
- 28:23' s why it' s also sixty years maybe, but since it'
- 28:25s not going to be that good model. I think it' s important
- 28:26for Miley' s model of functions that has more Frank- type ministos,
- 28:32where they seem to be more management- oriented and less communication- oriented.
- 28:37I think those two profiles should coexist. He' s coming with some of
- 28:40that, too. He didn' t let it do, but he had
- 28:42the minister who was transmitting that they were doing well Menem. I think that
- 28:48was a little Menem' s model that everyone remembers, including the great adversaries
- 28:52and anti- menemists, who have as an intellectual respect or what there is
- 28:56Nene' s cabinet. No, yes, people who say no, cobra
- 29:00ghe Drumi and Bausar knew nothing. In this case they will criticize them morally.
- 29:07But I think Ani per my law lacks a tiny black- spa of
- 29:12meaning. Okay, Julio, a big hug. Thank you so much,
- 29:18uh, please hug, big hug, well, Julio Burban here in plural
- 29:22construction, the last Miley. He needs a more east- style cabinet in
- 29:27the direction of Carlos Menem, the political idol of Javier Millen. Mr Les
- 29:33and gentlemen, we leave, we meet on Tuesday, at the start of
- 29:37the week at two o' clock in the afternoon, with Carlos for we
- 29:40will surely be with ferrari and volvels are with Rosman, with juarezte and good
- 29:45with different voices Airú perhaps in the coming week the second of the winter vacation
- 29:48here, in Federal capital r in Buenos Aires, we will be coming back.
- 29:52Thank you Juan, as always for putting in the air. Thank you
- 29:56very much Silvia, for the preproduction be Bye Buen fin de o o S
- 30:33S S. S