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Episode 481 : BOB DOLE 1995 Clintons Comeback (Part 22) The New Hampshire Republican Presidential Candidates Forum October 11, 1995 · BOB DOLE : 1995 Clinton's Comeback

• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everybody, this is Randall Wallace, and welcome to Randall Wallace Presents.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the New Hampshire Republican Presidential Debate introducing the candidates in 1996.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: This forum was held on October 11th, 1995, uh in New Hampshire, and it includes all of the major Republican presidential candidates.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: And this forum I thought was a great forum because in it you hear the candidate make his case, answer a couple of questions, then move on.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: The next candidate does that, and it introduces you to each one of these candidates: Bob Dole, Phil Graham, Lamar Alexander, Alan Keyes, Bob Dornan, Steve Forbes, Pat Buchanan.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: They're all here.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Richard Luger.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I may have missed one, Lamar Alexander.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: I probably shouldn't have made a list before I started.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: But you get to see them, you'll get introduced to them.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's a strong field.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you'll enjoy this show.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to present to you this entire uh the entire hour.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll come back in part B with a CNN Inside Politics, which was the show back then with Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff, and they'll have a team anal analytizing the entire forum.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: So that's our two-parter, and I hope you enjoy it.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: But it's introduce you to all these candidates in the race for the White House in 1996.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_08: We're going to make history.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_08: We're going to be on that balanced budget path by the year 2002.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_08: And we're going to do some other things on the tax side that's going to stimulate the economy.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_08: As president, rather than as the Senate majority leader, I what would you do as a chief executive is really what I mean.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I would send up a balanced budget.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_08: First thing I would do the first time in office, I'm going to send a balanced budget to Congress.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_08: We haven't had one up there for a long time.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_08: And we need to do that.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_08: We need to give people, as the governor said, we need to give people opportunities.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_08: This state is worried about the economy as they should be.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_08: They've gone through the wringer.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_08: They've been through a recession.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_08: And things are picking up, and they want that to continue.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_08: We want to reduce inflation, reduce interest rates, you know, lower the capital gains rate.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_08: We've got an estate tax relief plan that's going to help a lot of family-owned business in this state, my state, and others.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_08: So we're going to be on the right track from Bob Doles in the White House.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_09: It's been said that in recent months you've moved to the right, endeared yourself perhaps to the Christian coalition and made efforts to show yourself more conservative than perhaps your record would indicate.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_09: Any truth in that?
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_09: And a question, is there perhaps a future, for instance, for a Pat Robertson or a Ralph Reed in a Dole White House?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_08: Well, let me first answer.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_08: I've done a little checking because uh, you know, the Wall Street Journal did a strange thing.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_08: They wrote a profile about Bob Dole and went back and checked my records that this guy's a conservative.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_08: He's been a conservative office.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_08: I first talked about movies in 1967.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_08: I first talked about uh English first, official language English in 1982 and voted that way in 1982.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_08: I talked about block grants to states and governors in 1979.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_08: So my view is that those who say I'm moving to the right fail to understand that I've been a mainstream conservative throughout my career, and I'm proud of it.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_09: The other issue that uh many of your fellow candidates, opponents, perhaps out of respect, often don't say, but the media often does mention, is the age issue.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_09: Is age going to be an issue for your students?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think I look them over, I think it's all right.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_08: They look all right to me.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_08: I don't think they'll have any problems.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_08: I haven't missed a day's work in four years.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_08: My health is good, my blood pressure is better than President Clinton's, my weight's better than Presidents Clinton.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not gonna make health care an issue in the 1996 race.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_08: I'm in good health.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_08: I'm in good health.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, if any of these fellows want to follow me around for a few days, they'll find that out.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, you mentioned Medicare in your opening statements, and obviously it is a congressional issue.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_09: It one might say that your generation will have Medicare and mine cult.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_09: What do you want to see done to fix Medicare?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_08: We're fixing Medicare.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_08: We're gonna save the seniors in this country.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_08: Just as we fixed in 1983 Social Security, when Ronald Reagan was president of the United States, a Democrat, and Tip O'Neill was a dem a Republican, and Tip O'Neill was a Democratic speaker.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_08: They put together a commission along with Howard Baker in the Senate.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_08: I was on that commission.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_08: We rescued Social Security, we fixed Social Security in 1983.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_08: We wanted to do the same with Medicare months ago, and President Clinton passed it off as a gimmick.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_08: The speaker and I wrote to President months ago saying, let's let's have a bipartisan fix for Medicare.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_08: We're gonna strengthen Medicare, we're gonna preserve it, and we're gonna save it for future generations.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_09: One last question in the question and answer portion.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, occasionally those would say that after 30 years in Washington, you're more of an establishment candidate in a wave of Republican reformism.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_09: Do you represent change?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_08: I feel like in 94 the cavalry finally got there.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_08: And we've been waiting for years and years and years for support on the House side, and we had 40 years of a Democratic House, and nobody was more excited, nobody campaigned harder for Republican House candidates than Bob Dole.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, it's it's the revolution has started, and if we're gonna finish it, we need someone in the White House, as I said, who can bring about change, and I hope that people who believe that will stand beside me in this campaign.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you, Senator Dole.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_08: You have a minute and a half for a closing remark.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_08: My friend Pat Buchanan mentioned the Tenth Amendment.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_08: I just brought a copy along.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_08: It's only 28 words in length.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_08: And that's what I think it's all about right now.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_08: And the Tenth Amendment says, if you haven't read it later, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_08: And that's the thrust of what's happening now in Congress.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_08: Give power back to Governor Merrill.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_08: Give power back to the governors, back to the state legislatures, whether it's welfare reform, which I might add was uh praise in human events as a more conservative bill than the House spoke.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_08: We've got a good welfare reform bill.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_08: We're gonna save and preserve Medicare, we're gonna have tax cuts for families with children, we're gonna have a state tax relief, we're gonna have capital gains relief, we're gonna do a lot of things to make the economy grow.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_08: And I would just say that it's my deepest belief that the coming generation deserves an America like the nation I have known.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_08: And it's my deepest fear that this administration is squandering an inheritance, an inheritance it does not value, and undermining values they don't even understand.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_08: And why do I want to be president?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_08: Because I will not permit the slow decline of America, a country that I love.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_08: Because I am convinced that America's finest hour is not a memory, but a goal.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_08: Is it important to have a president who knows what made our nation great?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_08: Do we need a president who understands that sacrifices have kept us free?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_08: If you believe the answer is yes, I invite you to stand beside me in this campaign.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you very much.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_08: Thank you, Senator Dole.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_09: Our next candidate is Congressman Bob Dornen of California.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_09: A former broadcast journalist, Dornan was also formerly a U.S.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_09: Senate candidate.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_09: He joins us tonight, a Congressman from California.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_09: Congressman Dornan, thank you very much for being here.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_09: You have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_06: Uh uh I appreciate it, Carl.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, first of all, I would like to uh not only speak as you've suggested, Carl, to all the citizens of this great granite state, but to all Americans who have given up what I'm sure will be an exciting baseball game tonight, and to invite us into their family rooms, their dens, uh maybe sitting around a dinner table or a kitchen table, and to hear our ideas on how to uh win the triple crown, to take the White House back the way we took the People's House after 40 years, and to take back the Senate, which for six glorious years, thanks to the Gipper Ronald Reagan, was in the hands of the party of responsibility.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_06: Lower taxes, lower government spending, less regulation to stifle free enterprise.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_06: But before we do that, since we've all been given an extra 30 seconds in our opening, let me say how proud I am to be here with all of my colleagues, who are the uh the best slate of candidates I've ever seen, with the aforementioned governor of California accepted, and the courage that they've shown to uh either stay in the arena on a larger level or come into the arena.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I think it's unfair for a man who I've called a patriot all his life, Ross Perot, to suggest that this isn't a great Republican field.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_06: I'm proud of everybody in this race, and I've got a comparison sheet which shows that if Phil Graham is cool because he was conservative before it was cool, then I'm early man as a conservative, because on everything that's loved by conservatives in an election year, I've been there.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_06: Now I would like anybody to tell me in those living rooms across America, if they think we are not suffering advanced and accelerating moral decay, a meltdown of our culture, given not only the trial, the circus trial in Los Angeles, or the Menendez brothers before that, but given Packwood in the Senate, I said good riddance to him, as I did to a congressman that said over a telephone he was wired by the police to a teenager who said she had gotten him a Catholic schoolgirl.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_06: This Rhodes scholar said, Oh boy, have I won the lottery.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_06: I met the Pope Sunday for the third time.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_06: And I did not realize that a motto that my campaign had had for years, no fear, had been the Pope's motto for 17 years.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_06: Have no fear.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: This is a good slate of candidates.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_06: We will turn this country around and reform an out-of-control federal government.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you, Representative Doran.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, we're gonna start right off the bat, Congressman.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_09: A couple of months ago, you and I had a conversation on the telephone about whether or not you would have the money to make a go of this presidential race, and you hinted that you'd hang on at least until tonight.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_09: What's the verdict?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_09: Are we running for president or re-election to California Congress?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I think uh every young man or young woman across this country, Carl, who would ever like to compete in this, the greatest of all political arenas, should call their Secretary of State and find out what I found out that the LBJ law in Texas that allows Phil Graham to continue his excellent service in the Senate, if he's not successful in this, the greatest cost of his life, it applies in California.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_06: I can do both.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_06: And tonight I tell you, I'm filing for my seat in Congress, as Phil has, and I will continue, and I do have the money, have made presidential matching funds, which I tell my millionaire friends was designed for the little guys.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's that$3 checkoff.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_06: It's not designed to give millions to millionaires or to match$13 or 12 million.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_06: It's to keep people who aren't millionaires in this race, the American dream.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_09: Uh one might conclude that you're only running for president because the congressional campaign is assured, or at least you have the opportunity to do so.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_09: And were that not the case, you wouldn't be here tonight.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, Carl.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_06: I've represented for nine times a liberal, safe Democrat seat.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_06: My districts have always pulled two to one pro-abortion over pro-life.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm one of the three major pro-life leaders in the House.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_06: My motto has always been no fear.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_06: No, I'm going to do both with vigor, and I now have the money to go all the way through February.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_06: You know what's going to happen.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_06: There's going to be two people standing on the February 20th, 27th, or by March 5th.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_06: Bob Dole and one of us.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_06: If it is I, I will give Bob Dole the toughest race of his life.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_09: Then, in terms of ideology, what do you offer voters in New Hampshire that they might not find with a Phil Graham, they might not find with a Pat Buchanan, uh, or any of the other candidates who prefer to refer themselves as strong conservatives?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_06: Consistency.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_06: Now, I've developed a warm friendship with Alan Keyes.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_06: God bless him, he's come into the arena a couple of times in Senate races, but Alan and Pat are critics.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_06: Two of the other multimillionaires are solid businessmen who've created jobs all their life, but they haven't been in the arena as I have, pushing term limits for 19 years, struggling and voting sometimes when there was only a handful of voters.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_06: I have a record of consistency that is not matched by anybody who's elected in this uh hall tonight.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_09: You come from a part of the country that was as in the day, it was perhaps more immersed than the rest of us with the OJ trial.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_09: Does the OJ verdict bring race into this issue, Representative?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_06: No, I think it was more a rich man's uh a rich man's verdict, just as uh millionaires are freezing out uh people from uh the House of Commons, the people's house, in a race like this.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_06: Uh this group here is more representative of O.J.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_06: Simpson's peers than was that humble jury that we saw who base their decision not on reason, but on a motion and jury nullification.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_06: This is a panel, except for Alan and myself, of Republican millionaires.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_06: O.J.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: Simpson is a Riviera country club Republican millionaire who told Congressman Dave Dreyer that he voted for George Bush.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_06: Now, I I apologize for Los Angeles and the Menendez uh verdict also to uh all of my colleagues, but we're all in this together.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_06: What happens in California eventually affects the whole nation, as it does in New York.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_06: And Bob Dole's greatest speech of his life, I didn't know he had longevity on it, because I've made the speech a hundred times, is that a small group of liberal elitists in Manhattan where I was born and West LA where I grew up are truly, as Dole said, poisoning the minds of innocent youth in this country.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_06: That's why the social issues are right up there with the economic issues that I've been voting solid conservative on my entire life, and as a broadcaster defending when it was pretty lonely out there being a conservative.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_06: Representative, you have a minute and a half for a closing summation.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_06: I said up here on February 19th, eight months ago, and I didn't think I could go the distance then.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_06: I said that uh New Hampshire would lead the way.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_06: And New Hampshire is going to lead the way.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: I've been up here for George Bush, for Ronald Reagan twice.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_06: I brought in the vote in 1980 at Dixville Notch, and I was alone in a hotel room in Nashua with Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan when he was declared the victor by ABC.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_06: I walked this state for Reagan back in 1968.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_06: I know this state.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_06: It's a great state, representative of the small states of our country, and thank God for our federal system.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_06: But I want everybody hearing my voice to understand something that Douglas MacArthur, one of my boyhood heroes, gave his last speech on three words, the motto of West Point, duty is honor to the country.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_06: That's why I will continue to run for the highest office in the free world, and while I continue to run to represent my great Southern California Democrat blue-collar district.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_06: In that great speech at West Point in the cafeteria, Douglas MacArthur said, it should be the obsession of every public servant.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_06: Duty, honor, country.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_06: On economics, on foreign policy, on defense.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_06: I flew the V-2 May 1st.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_06: I still fly everything in the inventory.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: Our young men and women around this country were killed in Somalia and are about to be killed in Bosnia by a triple draft dodger, an adulterer, a man whose background is financial corruption and Little Rock.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_06: This may be the most important election of our life.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_06: Have no fear, my colleagues.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_06: Go after Clinton.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_06: Defend the sanctity of human life.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_06: And in addition to talking about the economic issues, talk about the moral issues, the social issues.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you, New Hampshire.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you, America.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_09: Congressman Bob Dornan.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_09: Our next candidate, Malcolm Forbes, Jr., who prefers to be referred to as Stephen Forbes.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_09: He is the CEO of Forbes Incorporated.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_09: Also publisher of American Heritage Magazine.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_09: Steve Forbes is the chairman of the board of directors for Empower America, a Republican and uh modern political activist group.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_09: Steve Forbes, welcome.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_09: You have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much, Carl, and thank you, Governor Merrill.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_07: America is at a critical crossroad.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_07: If we remove certain obstacles, ladies and gentlemen, we will enter a fabulous new era where we will not only experience a dramatic advance in our standard of living, but also a heartening improvement in an area that has been under assault for 30 years, the quality of life in our schools, our streets, and for our families.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_07: After 80 years of warfare, two world wars, and a 40-year Cold War, we have a unique opportunity to rediscover and revitalize the American experiment, the essence of which is giving individuals the opportunity to discover and develop their God-given talents.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_07: But we have a political class in Washington with an obsolete mindset.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_07: The solution is simple: take away their power and give it back to the people.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_07: I think we all know that if Washington insiders had the answers, they would have implemented them by now.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_07: That is why I state straightforwardly that we must start with a flat tax that is also a tax cut.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_07: We must replace the current tax code with a pro-growth, pro-family tax cut that lowers tax rates to 17% and increases exemptions for children and individuals so that a family of four will pay no taxes on their first$36,000 of income.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_07: No tax on pensions, no tax on Social Security, no tax on personal savings.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_07: And that is also why I'm calling for term limits on politicians in Washington to give our government back to us.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_07: In this campaign, I'll be discussing other changes as well.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_07: Fifteen years ago, ladies and gentlemen, another candidate, an outsider in his time, came here to New Hampshire.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_07: His name was Ronald Reagan, and he too started behind the leading candidates who had been anointed by the national media.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_07: But he had a vision of tax cuts, growth, opportunity, and hope.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_07: And the American people, the people of New Hampshire, knew he was right.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_07: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm convinced that if we revitalize the American experiment, we will once again astound ourselves and the world with our achievements and our opportunities.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you, Mr.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_09: Forbes.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_09: Uh on first blush, a number of Americans have suggested that perhaps you lack the qualifications for the chief executive's office.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_09: Let's first begin with crime.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_09: How do you propose to combat the spread of crime in America?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_07: Well, Carl, you take a two-pronged approach.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_07: First of all, you have truth in sentencing.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_07: If a violent criminal is sentenced to 10 years, he should serve most of that 10-year sentence instead of the two or three years today.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_07: If states need help on building prisons, build the prisons.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_07: Encourage police departments, as they're now doing into New York, for a more proactive approach.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_07: And that works.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_07: New York has cut its murder rate by almost 40 percent.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_07: In a broader sense, we must change the culture that makes the crime possible.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_07: And that means welfare reform, allowing parents, especially in the inner cities, to control the schools.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_07: It also means in public housing, allowing the tenants to control the public housing.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_07: Give people responsibility and they'll rise to the occasion.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_07: They couldn't do a worse job than the bureaucrats are doing today.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_09: You're an ardent supporter of a flat tax.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_09: Could you explain to us the advantages of it over, for instance, the national sales or VAT tax as proposed by Senator Luger?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_07: Well, I think if you exempt things like housing, medicine, and other things, you're gonna have not an 18% rate, which is very high for a sales tax, but probably a 27 or 30 percent rate.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_07: It is regressive.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_07: Then if you want to give back rebates, you're gonna need still tax collectors to determine who gets the rebates.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_07: So I think you're gonna have a compliance problem with those high rates.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_07: You have a fairness problem.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_07: By contrast, the flat tax is simple.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_07: You can fill it out on a postcard.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_07: It is fair, it removes millions of people from the tax rolls, and it is honest because it removes the principal source of political corruption in Washington, which is why all those lawyers and lobbyists are there to manipulate the tax code.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_09: Foreign policy, a two-part question.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_09: Would you increase or decrease the number of foreign troops abroad right now?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_09: And what is the maximum or optimum number of American soldiers who should be overseas?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_07: Well, we need a strong foreign policy because if America does not take the lead, then the world goes into bad ways.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_07: We saw that twice in this century.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_07: But I would absolutely oppose putting troops in Bosnia.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_07: That would be a disaster and a quagmire.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_07: We can help keep that peace through judicious use of air power and vigorous diplomacy.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_07: We should have done it two years ago, four years ago, but putting our troops there will simply give us another Somalia, another Lebanon, another debacle.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_09: Could you put a number on the size of our foreign seas force in your eyes, as the size it should be?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_07: Well, you could pick a number, but I think, Carl, that really will depend on circumstances, whether it's 100,000, 200,000.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_07: We once had four hundred thousand troops in Europe.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_07: It's now below a hundred thousand.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_07: But we do need a presence overseas, and I think that uh the exact number depends upon circumstances, but we must.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_07: Have a presence in both Europe and in Asia.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_07: You've referred to some of your opponents as overly grim.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_07: What do you mean by that?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_07: Well, they talk about the future, at least until tonight, in a way that made it seem like that they didn't believe that we had a fabulous future ahead if we remove certain obstacles.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_07: They weren't talking about flat tax.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_07: We had the ER uh candidates who talked about simpler, flatter, fairer, which is code for you know putting us in an emergency room.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_07: We tried that half-baked approach ten years ago.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_07: It doesn't work.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_07: The only way you can do it is by scrapping it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_07: We've got to leave it there.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_07: Uh Mr.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_07: Forbes, you have a minute and a half for a closing statement.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much, Carl.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_07: The American people are frustrated.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_07: They don't understand, for example, why two incomes today can't do the job that one income could do in previous generations.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_07: They ask why it is that their children may not have the opportunities that parents and grandparents could take for granted in this country.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_07: The American people know we can do better.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_07: They're right, we can do better.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_07: If we remove certain obstacles, we will revive America in ways that will astound us and the world.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_07: To start, we do have to change the culture in Washington, and to do that, you have to change two things.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_07: Take away the politicians' power to manipulate the tax code, and you have to limit their terms.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_07: Do these two things, ladies and gentlemen, and you'll change Washington forever.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_07: That's why I'm calling for a flat tax that will restore fairness and honesty to the tax code and will cut taxes deep and wide for all Americans.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_07: And that's why I'm calling for term limits for all Washington politicians.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_07: The flat tax and term limits are just a start.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_07: I will be discussing during this campaign additional ways where we can return opportunity and responsibility to the American people.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_07: What makes America unique is not that we don't make mistakes.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_07: We obviously do.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_07: But our genius is that when we stumble or fall, we not only pick ourselves up, but we find the inner strength to reach new heights.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_07: We've done it before.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_07: We can do it again.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_07: Thank you very much.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_09: Steve Forbes, thank you very much.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_09: Our next candidate this evening from Texas, Senator Phil Graham.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_09: He is a former Democratic congressman from the great state of Texas.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_09: He co-authored the Graham Rudman Deficit Reduction Act, known so well here in New Hampshire.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_09: He is currently the U.S.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_09: Senator from Texas.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_09: Senator Graham, you have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_09: Welcome.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Carl.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I want to thank uh Channel 9.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: I want to thank Governor Merrill, but mostly I want to thank you for caring enough about the future of America to watch this program.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: As a young member of Congress, I was the author of the Reagan budget in 1981.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: And as president, I want to finish the Reagan Revolution.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: I want less government and more freedom.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think Washington has too much to say about how your income is spent, about how your business is run, about how your children are educated, and I want to lead a grassroots effort in America to take that power back from Washington and give it back to your family so that your family can make those decisions for yourself every night around the kitchen table.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: In 1950, the average family in America with two little children sent one out of every$50 that earned to Washington, D.C.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: Today that family is sending one out of every$4 to Washington, D.C.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't believe Washington is doing as good a job spending your money on your children and investing in your family as you would do if you got to keep more of that money and spend it yourself, and I intend to make that happen.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: A baby born in America today, during their working lifetime, will pay$187,000 of taxes just to pay interest on the public debt.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's not just economic suicide.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's immoral.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so help me God, I'm going to stop that from happening.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: As president, I will make balancing the federal budget my number one priority.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I will put no other objective before it, and I will balance the budget in my first four-year term, or I won't run for re-election.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much, Senator Graham.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_09: I think that you're the only economics scholar in the field, so we'll start with economics.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: They perhaps might argue, but there are two of us in Congress.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: One uh uh obviously I'm one, and the other Dick Army is majority leader.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: The Democrats think that's two, too many.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_09: We've heard about flat taxes, we'll hear about consumption taxes and deficit reduction.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_09: What qualifies you above anybody else in this field to reduce the deficit?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, I've done more of it than anybody else in this field.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: I wrote the Reagan budget, I made the tough choices in that budget to cut government spending.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: As a young member of the Senate, when no one else would deal with the deficit, I joined with Warren Rudman.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: We put together Graham Rudman and until Congress repealed it in 1990.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Graham Rudman did bring the deficit down by 40 percent.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Graham Rudman did limit the growth of government for the four and a half years that was in effect, and it actually made government smaller relative to the private sector of the economy for the first time in the post-war period.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: So what qualifies me is I have done it, I have made the hard choices, and I have proven that I'm willing to say no when no is the right answer, and no is often the right answer in Washington, D.C.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_09: Last week's call, repeated call by the Pope for America to be kinder to the poor, as I'd stated earlier, has a number of people re-examining the number of the congressional budget cuts.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_09: Do you think that that's necessary?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_09: And would you disagree with the Pope's assertion?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: I agree with the Pope, but I don't see our government programs as being kind to the poor.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: I believe we started out to build a social safety net and a welfare program that basically started in 1965, but somewhere along the way that social safety net turned into a hammock.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: And we made people dependent.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: And as they turned toward government to solve all of their problems to take care of them, they turned away from self-reliance, they turned away from family and faith.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: We made mothers dependent.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: We drove fathers out of the household.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: We denied people access to the American dream.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: And if we love them, we've got to change this system to help them get it back.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: I want a mandatory work requirement for able every able-bodied man and woman in America because that's good for them.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: It helps them.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: I want to stop giving people more money to have more children because I think illegitimacy is hurting them and hurting America.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: Let's move on to another.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Those are the changes I want.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_09: Let's move on to another issue.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_09: Again, in the wake of the OJ verdict that many would say has put a spotlight on racial division in America.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_09: Do you think that there's a need to perhaps take another look at reforms to affirmative action?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Carl, I am committed to equal opportunity.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm committed to saying that every American has unlimited opportunity in this country.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: I want to reach out to people, but I am opposed to quotas and I am opposed to set-asides because they create divisiveness.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: There's only one fair way to decide who gets a job, who gets promoted, and who gets a contract, and that's merit.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: If you do it in any other way, it is discriminatory.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: If you do it in any other way, it is divisive.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you do it in any other way, it's un-American.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not going to do it in any other way.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: When my hand comes off the Bible, I'm going to pick up a pen.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: And by executive order, I am going to overturn quotas and set asides in the executive branch of government.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_09: When the Christian coalition released its contract with the American family, you were on the stage with Ralph Reed.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_09: Is there any issue that you and the Christian coalition disagree on which you will never budge?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: I am for their contract with the American family.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: I can't look at each and every issue.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure they speak with one voice on each and every issue.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: But in terms of eliminating the Federal Department of Education and letting parents control education in America, I'm for that.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of letting working families keep more of what they earn, I'm for that.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_09: Do you agree with their tenant that funding should be shut off for facilities like family planning and similar organizations?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think we should stop funding people who advocate things, including abortion.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think we should stop taxpayer funding for abortion.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a consensus on that, and I think we need to implement it.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: But quite frankly, we need government simply spending less money.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_09: Senator Graham, we need to go to closing statements.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_09: You have a minute and a half.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: I know tonight you're going to be listening to try to determine who among us is committed enough and tough enough, who among us has the vision and heart to actually change American government and bring back the American dream.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: And let me tell you something about me.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: Neither of my parents graduated from high school.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: I failed the third and the seventh and the ninth grades.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: But with the help of a loving, supportive mother, I went on to get a PhD in economics.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: My wife turned me down the first two times that I proposed matrimony.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I didn't give up.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: I took her to San Antonio, to the river walk.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: I got down on one knee and I said, if you'll marry me, I'll spend the rest of my life trying to make you happy.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: And because I didn't give up, she said yes.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm still working 25 years later on fulfilling my part of the bargain.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: But if you want a president who is tough enough to say no when no is the right answer in Washington, D.C., if you want a president who won't cut deals with Democrats in Washington, because you know that cutting deals with Democrats in Washington is not going to bring back the American dream and is not going to save our country, then I'm your man.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: I know who I am and I know what I believe in, and I'm not afraid to stand up alone when I believe I'm right and when I believe the future of America is on the line.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think if you'll look at my record, you'll see that I'm the candidate in this race who can say, don't just listen to what I say.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Look at what I've done.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Give me an opportunity to do more.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'll get the job done for you.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much, Senator Graham.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_09: The next candidate this evening is Alan Keyes.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_09: He is twice a Republican candidate for the office of governor in Maryland.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_09: He is a former official in President Reagan's State Department and currently a radio commentator in his home state of Maryland.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_09: Good evening, Mr.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_09: Keyes.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_09: You have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think the top priority that this station faces is pretty clear to all of us, even though you haven't really heard a word about it from any of the other candidates this evening, and you probably won't.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: They will talk about the money, they'll talk about the budgets, they'll talk about the billions that we spend on welfare, the problem of crime, building the prisons, putting the police on the streets.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, every time you look at a study, an article that tries to explain where these problems come from, what makes the major contribution to all the money that we are spending and all the problems that we are spending it on.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: It turns out that the number one problem that this nation faces is not a money problem.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: It is the breakdown of the marriage-based two-parent family.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: It is the fact that in the last three and four decades we have backed away from our support for the building block institution of our society.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: And the consequences are pretty grim.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_03: They're grim for children growing up without the balanced influence of two parents.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: They're grim for those who are dying on the streets as a result of being members of gangs and involved in violence.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: Overwhelmingly, those young people who get involved in violence come from absent father families and broken homes.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: Overwhelmingly, the young girls who become pregnant in their teenage years and then become a burden in the welfare system come from absent father families and broken homes.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: Overwhelmingly, you look at the population of the prisons.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Overwhelmingly, you look at the contribution made to poverty.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: The answer is the same.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, none of our so-called leaders want to look us in the eye and say, why is this happening?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's not happening because we don't have enough money.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's happening because we have defined freedom in a corrupt and licentious way that contradicts the heart of commitment and love and loyalty and obligation that is needed to sustain family life.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: Abortion is the issue that epitomizes that corrupt concept of freedom, but it's not the only thing that gives us a clear indication that by moving away from the right understanding of liberty that involves self-discipline and responsibility as well as rights.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: We are destroying our families and destroying this nation's moral and material fabric.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_03: If we want to get back home, then we better make our number one priority the restoration of the moral and material foundations of the marriage-based two-parent family.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: If we don't do that, nothing else we do is going to work.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: We will never balance the budget until we get some balance back in the heart and behavior of America.
• 35:32
  unknown: Mr.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_09: Keys, thank you very much.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_09: Uh again, referring to a poll done here by WMUR TV in conjunction with Dartmouth College earlier in the week.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_09: Statistically, more than 74% of the people who were polled said that they had heard enough and would prefer not to hear as much about issues on the social agenda.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_09: Does that leave your candidacy somewhat out in the cold?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, because my candidacy was never about what people wanted to hear.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was about what the nation needs to hear.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: And for people to think that economic problems can be solved without addressing the problems of family life, they don't even know what economics means.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: The word economics comes from the Greek oikosnomos.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: It means the rule, law, or art of governing the household.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: And the Greeks understood what we shouldn't forget that a strong economy is impossible unless you have strong families.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: And as we're bankrupting the country, paying for the consequences of family destruction, I think we'd better talk about what's really contributing to our bankruptcy.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_09: Then do we find that the president is able to do that, or are you suggesting somehow a legislation of morality?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, first of all, I think it's always silly you guys talk about legislating morality.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: All we do is legislate morality.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: We pass laws against murder and theft and other crimes, we legislate morality.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: We put a welfare system in place.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: We're not only legislating morality, we're legislating Christian morality, which requires that you help your neighbor.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I wish you'd stop asking that stupid question.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh no, seriously.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's dumb, and it's time that you realize that it is so.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: What we have to do is get the government out of the business of destroying the moral foundations of our families.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: We have to get the government out of the business of a family-devouring welfare system, out of the business of supporting sex education that undermines the sense of responsibility of our children, and out of the business of passing taxes and other regulations that destroy the economic foundations of family life, driving women into the workplace even when they don't want to go because they need those two incomes just to keep up with the government's demand for our money.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I think that we not we have to address the fact that the government can't build moral character, but it's sure been doing a lot to destroy the moral foundations of this country.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: Very dramatic.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: How?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, as I say, if if somebody's going through your garden planting weeds, I think the first thing you better do is pull up the weeds.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: Pull up the weeds of a family-devouring welfare system.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: And instead of just talking about putting people to work, let's talk about how we restructure that system to support the marriage decision and encourage people to form the kind of families that can raise children properly.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: To implement that, let's move the welfare system out of the hands of government bureaucrats at the federal or state level and put it back in the hands of the non-government, preferably faith-based institutions that in the past were able to help people without destroying their moral fiber.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get rid of the education approach that takes responsibility out of the hands of parents and instead go for school choice to put parents back in the driver's seat in terms of our education.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_09: Mr.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_09: Keyes, much of that sounds precisely like the types of things that Senator Dole has advocated, and he now remarkably ahead of the polls.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: It seems to me that the commitment that we have to addressing the moral priorities that this nation faces comes for me at the top of the agenda.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's foolish to stand up and say we're going to tinker with this and tinker with that, and then refuse to address, for instance, the abortion issue, which establishes as a constitutional right the licentious concept of freedom that is destroying our family life.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: I also think it's kind of hypocritical to say that you're opposing the uh expansion of government power and yet draw the line when it comes to ending agro-socialism in the agricultural area, which Mr.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: Dole and others have been fond supporters of.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I think we need to look for consistency in the articulation of the moral message and consistency as well in putting power back into the hands of people at the grassroots.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you, Mr.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_09: Keyes.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_09: You have a minute and a half for a closing statement.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I think it's pretty obvious that we are not going to get the kind of priorities that we need out of those who are unwilling even to address the major moral crisis that we're facing.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: Abraham Lincoln, the founders of this country, understood that you can't separate the fiscal and economic agenda from the moral agenda.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_03: We are never going to be a country capable of limiting our government's growth, limiting taxes, limiting the demand for government services until we restore a sense of personal discipline and responsibility and restore the institution that is most essential to assuring that citizens can in fact rely on each other and take care of themselves.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: We shouldn't be looking to government to take care of our children.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's the parents' job.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: We shouldn't be looking to government to take care of our elderly, because that's the job of children.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: But we won't be re-empowered to do that job if we don't cut back the size, power, and economic control of a government establishment that has run out of control for the last 40 or 50 years.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: The moral agenda and the fiscal agenda go hand in hand.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: As Americans, as conservatives, as Republicans, we need to pursue the twin goals of renewing this country's strength, restoring its character, and restoring to its people at the grassroots the control of economic and decision-making power that has been usurped by Washington and by government in general for the last 40 years.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: If you believe that that's the agenda for restoring this nation's strength, then you should support the Keys campaign, because that's what we're about, and we'll consistently articulate that through the end of this campaign, every step of the way, standing for the restoration of our values and principles, for the restoration of that understanding of freedom in the Declaration, which says that our freedom comes from God, and that we must be responsible before God in our use of that freedom and our exercise of the rights that He has given us.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_09: Republican Alan Keyes, thank you.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_09: Our next candidate from Indiana, Republican Senator Dick Luger.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_09: He is the former mayor of Indianapolis, a manufacturing executive in Indiana, and the current U.S.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_09: Senator from his state.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_09: Mr.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_09: Luger, good evening.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_09: You have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_10: Tonight on this beautiful night in New Hampshire, I speak to the highest idealism of all Americans.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_10: Something must happen for American families to break out of incomes that have remained the same on average for 20 years.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_10: I advocate the end of the federal income tax, capital gains taxes, estate taxes, gift taxes, and the end of the Internal Revenue Service, all of it.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_10: As we substitute a state-administered national sales tax and watch savings, investment, wages, and job creation efforts soar.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_10: Something must happen for black and white Americans to begin to talk to each other about making American cities healthy again by reducing unemployment, crime, welfare, drug abuse, and depressing blight.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_10: As mayor of Indianapolis, I led a successful uniting of inner city and suburbs, an honest and continuing conversation about racial relations and attitudes, and strong economic and cultural growth.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_10: And I'm prepared to do the same for all Americans.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_10: Something must happen for the president to command trust and confidence.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_10: That when the president speaks about moral issues in this country or about commitments necessary for American security and world peace abroad, he is respected.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_10: I have been a straight shooter, a truth teller tested at the local, state, federal, and international levels for four decades.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_10: Something that will happen in my election is specific and predictable.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_10: The concluding years of the 20th century will be the best years our country has ever witnessed.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much, Senator Luger.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, I'm surprised to not hear you focus as much tonight in your opening statement as you have in the campaign trail for your consumption tax, the value-added tax.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_09: Could you tell us a little bit about why that has become an important part of your campaign?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_10: It's important because it is the way in which American economic growth will occur.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_10: Savings now at 2.5% of our economy will soar to seven percent when we end the income taxes, root and branch, IRS, all of it, and move to a state-collected sales tax on retail sales and consumption.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_10: With, of course, uh revenues that that uh will have to be exempted, specifically food, clothing, shelter, medicine, so that it's no more regressive than the current one we have.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_10: But that does provide with a 17% tax rate.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_10: Americans to take home pay, it's theirs.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_10: You can save and invest it, keep it, save and invest it again, pass along to your loved ones without estate planning, without estate taxes.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_10: The family farm, the family business could be passed on.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_09: As an economic tool, what does that do to ensure job security and in addition, perhaps raise wages that many in America feel have not risen with a standard of living?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_10: Well, ra wages are not going to increase with the current income tax system.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_10: Wages increase when productivity increases, and productivity happens when people have savings and investment.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_10: The scheme I'm suggesting increases the investment pool from two and a half percent savings in our economy to seven.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_10: That's a huge new pool for investment.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_10: That means new jobs, investment as Americans try to make money and keep the money they make.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_09: Since a flat tax seems at least to be more popular with the other candidates.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_09: And in many polls with many of the voters.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_09: If a flat tax were to come to your desk as president, would you sign it?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_10: Yes, it would be an improvement.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_10: But clearly the flat tax keeps the Internal Revenue Service.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_10: You may have a postcard and just a few figures, but you've got auditors.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_10: You've got to have figures to back those up.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_10: Americans spend five billion hours now preparing for income taxes all dead time.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_10: $200 billion lost by American industry.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_10: It's a national waste and a national scandal with$127 billion not collected by IRS.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_09: Across the country, Mr.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_09: Dole, Graham, a number of your colleagues in Congress have a certain amount of name recognition because of their roles in Washington.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_09: And yet, at least at this point, you seem to have some trouble in relative obscurity.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_09: What need you do in the coming months to get your message to more people?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_10: I need to visit with you.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_10: And I need to visit with the listeners of CNN.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_10: And with every journalist in this country who values a strong presidential candidacy as a good thing for America.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_10: I'm here, I've got good ideas, and I'm just waiting to be asked questions.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_10: Well, what about those ideas would qualify you more than your peers to take on Bill Clinton next year?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_10: Because I have a decisive idea on how to change the economy, scrap the IRS and the income tax.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_10: I have experience in foreign affairs.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_10: I'm chairman of the agriculture committee and been writing a farm bill.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_10: I've been manufacturing food machinery in my career.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_10: I'm a lay minister in the Methodist Church.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_10: I've been a mayor of a large city.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_10: I know of no candidate who has that gamut of experience at the state, local, international level.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_10: Have we put too much emphasis on family values and character in this race?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_10: No, very important.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_10: Extremely important.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_10: And I would just simply say we have got to focus this campaign upon how we treat each other as human beings.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_10: What kind of parents we're going to be, what kind of husbands and wives we're going to be.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_10: Very fundamental.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_09: Do you see amongst your colleagues a treatment on the campaign trail that perhaps is not as exemplary as you'd like?
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_09: You you have kept your rhetoric to a minimum when it comes to your opponents.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_10: Well, I think each one of us chooses our own style.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_10: But I found my opponents to be very worthy people, and I echo the sentiments that were expressed by Congressman Dornen earlier on.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_09: Well, we'll applaud you for taking the high road, Senator, and urge you to go on now to closing statements in about a minute and a half.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_10: Thank you very much, Carl.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_10: Pope John Paul said last week that the tears of this century have prepared us for the springtime of the next century.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_10: Perhaps the Pope anticipated that the president election we're in in 1996 already would be a defining moment for our country in which we strongly rejected a competition to be the most negative and mean-spirited and renounce the cynical idea that politics is primarily have, truths, and entertainment.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_10: Instead, we shall stop looking for immigrant, racial, and gender scapegoats, and to choose the best constructive program to organize our world for peace and our own security.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_10: We should choose to stimulate the best talents in each one of us, to create strong incentives for risk, innovation, job creation, and exciting new levels of education and communication.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_10: We should choose to talk without reticence about better marriages, better parenting and grandparenting, the end of racism and prejudice, and the need for thoughtful national leadership that listens to all of us and speaks to the strengths of our unity.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_10: I look forward to being that president who helps each American find new personal achievement and dignity.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_09: Senator Richard Luger of Indiana, thank you very much.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_09: The next candidate with us this evening is from Pennsylvania.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_09: He is U.S.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_09: Senator Arlen Spector, a former district attorney in the city of Philadelphia, a former Democrat, turned member of the GOP.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_09: He is currently the U.S.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_09: Senator from Pennsylvania.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_09: Arlen Specter, welcome.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_09: You have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_05: I begin with a comparison of an Arlen Specter presidency with the Bill Clinton presidency, and start with the simplicity of a tax return, a flat tax return under an Arlen Spector presidency.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_05: For those who can't see it uh too well on just the postcard form, uh here's a blow-up of what it looks like.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh this would create more jobs and better jobs.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, some of my competitors talk about cutting the capital gains tax.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_05: I talk about totally eliminating the capital gains tax.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_05: This is a return that can be filled out in 15 minutes, would increase the gross national product and would lower interest rates by 2%.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_05: Now compare that to the Bill Clinton presidency with this chart, which depicts his health care program, tax and spend.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_05: Every box in red is a new agency border commission.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_05: There are 105 of those, and every box in green is an existing bureau which gets new responsibilities.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_05: I am a fiscal, economic, conservative, and social libertarian.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_05: I agree with Barry Goldwater when he said we ought to get the government off our backs, out of our pocketbooks, and out of our bedrooms.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_05: As the only pro-choice candidate who's running for the Republican nomination, I am the real conservative.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_05: The real conservative approach is that the lease government is the best government, and where is government more intrusive than in the bedroom?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_05: Be glad to hear your questions, Carl.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much, Senator.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_09: Welcome.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_09: You bring up abortion in your closing statements, and it has been an issue that has followed you on the campaign trail uh until Governor Wilson's withdrawal.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_09: Uh now again you find yourself as the only pro-choice candidate, as you say.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_09: Is abortion to be an issue amongst Republicans.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_05: I would like to take abortion out of politics.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not looking for a pro-choice plank in the Republican platform.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_05: I'm looking for a plank which says we respect human life, but we also respect diversity.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_05: I believe that we have a mandate from the American people in 1994 on core Republican values: smaller government, less taxes, uh, reduced expenses, effective crime control, and strong national defense.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_05: And if we are diverted into the social issues, we will not fulfill the mandate.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_05: There is nothing in the contract with America about abortion.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_09: New Hampshire has a special kinship as the first in the nation primary state with the state of Iowa, where the first caucuses will be held.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_09: It has been suggested that Iowa's Republican Party has a strong foothold from the Christian coalition.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_09: Do you see the religious right as a problem for the Republican Party?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_05: Carl, I'm always very careful never to criticize the Christian coalition, the religious right, or the Christian right, because I believe there is a very important place in public life for people with deep religious and moral convictions, and I'm one of them.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_05: But when Pat Robertson says that there is no constitutional doctrine of the separation of church and state, I say he's wrong.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_05: My parents came to this country in the early 1900s for religious freedom, just as the pilgrims came to this country in the early 1600s for religious freedom.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: Pat Robertson and I went to the same law school at about the same time and took the same course in constitutional law.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_05: But apparently we studied different constitutions.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I believe that the real conservative approach is to conserve our rock bed values, and that is the Constitution of the United States.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_09: Does the polarity that your positions illustrate with perhaps those of an Alan Keyes indicate that Ross Perot's Reform Independent Party or even the candidacy of Colin Powell is in the future?
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I would not say so, so long as we do not yield to the 4% fringe factor.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_05: Pat Buchanan and I were on Meet the Press recently, and we talked the issues and we talked them in a congenial way.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_05: But I believe that if we're to be successful, we're gonna have to take abortion out of politics.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_05: We're gonna have to concentrate on our core values.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_05: I supported Rick Santorum, a very able senator from Pennsylvania, who's pro-life, and I'm pro-choe.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_05: But Rick and I agree on 90% of the issues, and I believe we have to avoid the extremism of the left, which President Clinton represents, and I think we have to avoid the extremism of the fringe represented by Pat Robertson and uh Ralph Reed Jr.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_09: What do you say to women, well, men and women, who may still be angry about the way you questioned Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_05: I say to them that those hearings were a learning experience for me, and I think uh learning experience for America.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: I frankly had no idea how much sexual harassment there was until those hearings were over, and practically every woman I talked to had been sexually harassed.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I remind them that uh I was the guy who stood up on national television that uh Sunday afternoon that turned into 2 a.m.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_05: Monday morning, saying we needed more time.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I've overcome that problem in my 1992 re-election effort because I have such a strong record on women's issues.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_05: And many women, like Kate Michaelman of Day Route, who opposed me in 1992, are now supporting my candidacy because I want equality for women.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want any preferential treatment, I just want equality.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_09: And you talked about your need for time, and we're just about out of it for the question and answer portion.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_09: So we'll go now to the closing statement.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_09: You have a minute and a half, sir.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_05: Well, thank you very much for this forum.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh thank you, uh uh WMUR TV, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for watching.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I look to a vision of America in the future uh from my roots of the past.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I think about my father, who left Russia at the age of 18, literally walked across Europe with barely a ruble in his pocket, wrote at the bottom of the boat, came to the United States for opportunity.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_05: And I think of my mother, also an immigrant at the age of five, who came with her parents from a small town on the Russian-Polish border.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_05: And immigration was a big item in the Spectre household because our parents had so little of it.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_05: And my brother, my two sisters, and I have been able to share in the American dream because of educational opportunity.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_05: And while we have to balance the budget as a major item, I think we have to do it with a scalpel and not a meat axe.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_05: And that's why I think that educational funding, opportunity for the future, is a very, very high priority, none higher.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_05: I believe that we Republicans have a unique opportunity to win the White House in 1996 and to go with the Republican Congress if we do concentrate on core values, if we leave out the divisive social agenda.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_05: Nothing about abortion in the contract with America, focusing on smaller government, less spending, reduced taxes, economic opportunity with the flat tax, crime control.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the only candidate running who's had hands-on experience as a prosecuting attorney.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_05: I believe essentially we owe it to the next generation to win the next election.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_09: Senator Arlen Specter, thank you very much.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_09: Our next candidate, Mr.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_09: Maury Taylor.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_09: Maury Taylor is the president and CEO of Titan Wheel International.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_09: He is a salesman turned industrialist, a self-made multimillionaire, and bringing New Hampshire's economy and the nation's economy back into line is much of what Mr.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_09: Taylor has talked about on the campaign trail.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_09: Sir, you have two minutes for an opening statement.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_04: Good evening, Kyle.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: Good evening, America.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Maury Taylor.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not a politician and I'm not a lawyer.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm the last one to speak tonight.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_04: These fine men here tonight have told you many things that they'll do.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: But as a businessman who started at the bottom, worked himself up, you'll have to excuse me if I don't speak quite as smooth as all of them.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_04: But remember, these men have 138 years of Washington political experience.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: And in that period of time, our national debt's gone from zero to$17 trillion.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_04: The pensions for the four senators and a congressman have gone from zero to nine point four million.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_04: Who's taking care of who?
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: Our country is broke and we are losing the good paying jobs.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_04: Maureen Taylor is the only candidate who has pledged to balance the budget in 18 months and tell you how I'll do it.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'd cut a third of the bureaucrats starting at the top.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I'd also recommend that we cut all congressional and presidential pensions to zero.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm the only candidate who has started from scratch and created thousands of good paying jobs.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'm also the only candidate here who has worldwide trade.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_04: It's time to get tough with America's trading partners, and we've got to st do that before we let all the jobs just slip away.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you very much, Mr.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_09: Taylor.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_09: The first thing we have to ask is what do you determine as your best qualification to enter the White House?
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think the best qualification to be president is number one, is have some management and some business experience.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, when you move from the whether it's in the legislative branch or judiciary branch, I don't believe the management is that big a thing.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_04: But when you get over to the executive branch, you've got three million federal bureaucrats that work for you.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_09: Touching briefly on a number of issues, we'll try to do it quickly.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_09: On the Brady Law, if it were if if legislation was brought to your desk to overturn it, would you support it?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, the first thing is why is the federal government involved in gun control?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_04: You can have it back at the state and the local level.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't belong at the federal level.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_09: It's guaranteed by our constitution.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_09: Do you feel the same way about the assault weapons ban passed last year by the president and Congress?
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_09: You would support its rollback?
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, because they can modify it.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_04: It has no meaning.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's all just talk.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_09: Is abortion an issue that belongs in the Republican Party and in presidential politics?
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_04: Abortion is a religious issue and it's between a woman, her doctor, and her religion.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_09: Do you consider yourself pro-choice or pro-life, then, sir?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'd say pro-choice with a modification.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_04: I believe the state should have some aspect to uh where the minors and parent consent.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_09: In order to perhaps reduce the need for abortions amongst adolescents, would you support the distribution of condoms or the teaching of contraceptives in high schools?
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I believe that goes back to a uh local area and uh the local responsibility.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: I don't believe the federal government has anything to do with it.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_04: They shouldn't be paying for abortions either.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_09: If your uh qualification for the presidency is your business acumen, how would you contrast yourself, perhaps, to Steve Forbes?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_09: Is there a difference that voters would detect?
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think Steve's got a uh very, very fine head on his shoulders.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's a smart man, but I think it's a little bit of difference when you compare yourself to starting on the bottom and you're working yourself up in reference to the uh the way that I did it and the companies that we've taken over.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_04: All the companies that we've taken over have all been either bankrupt or losing millions of dollars.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_04: There's a difference when you fix something than when you start it from scratch.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_09: As someone who has provided jobs in manufacturing, then what do you think this nation should do to raise levels of wages?
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you've got to raise the wage level up in this country.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_04: And the first thing we have to do is you have to become a fair trader, not a free trader.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_04: If you look in what's happened in our aerospace, we've lost an awful lot of jobs.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Boeing right now is laying off.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_04: But you stop and look, did a new company over in Europe take over?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, but it was backed by France, England, Germany, and the Netherlands called Airbus.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: It it's wrong.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: We've got to start protecting our own job base because we are the market.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_04: If we don't protect the market, we're gonna lose.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_04: It's simple.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_09: Foreign policy is always one of the most important roles the president can face.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_09: Uh give us your views on the current situation in Bosnia and how would you resolve it?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: Well, number one, we shouldn't be in Bosnia.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_04: Europe has got a uh is larger than us in population, they've got their own.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: They should be taking care of it.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta quit being the policeman of the world.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_09: Should U.S.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_09: troops be involved to maintain a ceasefire in Bosnia?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_09: Are you advocating then that the U.S.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_09: global leadership role should be rolled back?
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_04: If it has no benefit for America, yes.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_09: Would you agree then that the U.S.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_09: has no uh benefit, there's no b reason for the United States to be in Bosnia in terms of protecting innocent lives in the Balkans?
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_04: There we should not be over there.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's a it's a war, it's actually a religious war and it's territorial.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_04: You've got everyone else over there.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_04: We've got Germany, we've got uh Italy is next door, you've got France, you've got England.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_04: They're all big enough to get together and take care of it.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_09: Given your reputation for outspoken discussion on the campaign trail, what do you most hope the voters of New Hampshire will hear from this field as we begin to wrap it up?
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I wanted to uh find out what they would uh they'd do to bring up the job base.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_04: You've got to have$10 to$15 an hour jobs.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: We're losing, you cannot stand to compete with China at 25 cents an hour labor.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's crazy.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_09: We need to go to closing remarks, sir.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_09: You have a minute and a half.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_04: Our government is in trouble, and we cannot uh continue to send a tired bunch of lawyers and politicians back to Washington if you want the mess cleaned up.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_04: If you agree with me, it's time that we send someone who's a self-made businessman to Washington to shake up the career politicians, then give me a call at my 1-800 USA bear number.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_04: Sharks on Wall Street, nickname me the Grizz.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_04: There's a reason for that.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_04: I have a special message also for Ross Perot and his supporters.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's wrong to start a third party.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_04: Come on over into the Republican Party, help us, work in it.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_04: We the only way we're gonna be able to beat Bill Clinton is if we bring Democrats, independents, and everybody into the party and make it big enough and concentrate for that we can win.
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  SPEAKER_04: Unlike most Kennedy's candidates here, I am not using taxpayer funds or any PAC money.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I'll be nobody's president but your own.
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  SPEAKER_04: We can balance that budget and we can bring the good paying jobs back to America.
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  SPEAKER_04: But I'm gonna need your help to do it.
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  SPEAKER_04: So if you have a chance, call me at the 1-800 USA Bear.
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  SPEAKER_04: God bless you and God bless America.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_09: Mr.
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  SPEAKER_09: Mori Terrell, thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_09: Candidates, thank you all.
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  SPEAKER_09: And I want to thank our viewers in New Hampshire and around the world.
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  SPEAKER_09: This has been our fall forum.
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  SPEAKER_09: I want to thank IMS Communications and WMUR TV for this unique opportunity to show the voters in New Hampshire who will vote first, February 20th, 1996, for the Republican nominee in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_09: Presidency.
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  SPEAKER_09: IMS Communications and WMUR Television, gentlemen, want to now formally extend to all the major candidates in this race an opportunity to join us for the next major debate here in New Hampshire.
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  SPEAKER_09: The primary is on the 20th, and we would like to invite you back to our studios at WMUR for another debate.
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  SPEAKER_09: Perhaps the field will have changed somewhat by then, but it will be again New Hampshire's unique opportunity to profile for the nation the major Republican candidates who would be president.
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  SPEAKER_09: It's been a tremendous honor.
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  SPEAKER_09: On behalf of IMS Communications and WMUR TV in Manchester, we would also like to thank CNN for this global broadcast.
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  SPEAKER_09: Thank you and good night.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm Judy Woodruff in Washington, and that does appear to be it for this first Republican candidate forum, as you can see, held in Manchester, New Hampshire tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: A forum that opened with some unfortunate technical glitches.
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  SPEAKER_01: At one point, the power literally was out for uh several minutes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the room was uh uh was filled with uh darkness, and when the lights finally came back on, uh the program resumed.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh but it was a strange sight indeed for there just a few moments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh the ten candidates took turns speaking and answering questions from Carl Cameron, the uh uh the correspondent there from WMUR TV, the front runner in the polls.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Senator Bob Dole spent much of his time criticizing President Clinton, uh ignoring his Republican opponents for the most part, except for uh one question when he was asked whether age would be an issue.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: Dole, who was 72, looked at his opponents and joked that he didn't think it that age was much of a problem for them.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dole uh promised to balance the budget by the year 2002.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh then uh Senator Phil Graham uh came, uh did him two years better and said that he would do it during his first term in office, which was would presumably be by the year 2000.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all of the Republicans advocated smaller government, uh less government spending and uh and smaller taxes.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: A few of them uh took shots at Senator Dole years of experience.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think you'd have to say the visual aid of the evening was the card that Arlan Spector held up uh saying uh that saying that this was going to be what what an income tax return would look like under a Spectre presidency.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll be back in just a few moments with more analysis and perspective on this Republican candidate forum in a special edition of Inside Politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stay with us.