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Reflections and Metaphores; Tieing it all together. · The Horsehuman Connection Matrix

• 0:01
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Is she able here with the Horse Human Connection Matrix?
• 0:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Today's podcast is about tying several of the more recent podcasts together and some reflections I have and metaphors that I.
• 0:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: You know, I couldn't have set it up any better.
• 0:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The guests that I've had and the things that they've talked about and how there's been this common thread weaving through all of the talk about horses and the matrix and dominance and how we can change things.
• 0:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: So way back interviewing Rupert Isaacson.
• 0:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: He said something at the end of the podcast when I asked him if he was part of the quiet revolution in the horse world, and what he said was something to the effect of that it's bigger than that, that he could definitely buy into.
• 0:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Shifting in the way humans are that he sees happening all over.
• 1:02
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: That what I'm doing with the horses and the dominant seems to be a metaphor for, and when I go back to Ginny Patel Thompson's early interviews, you know, she's so much about being present, listening to your horse.
• 1:21
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Developing ways to enter into their culture and have an open mind.
• 1:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And that really is the beginning of all of it.
• 1:30
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Admitting that we have a problem in our culture and, and that's the first step to trying to be the change, to enact the change.
• 1:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: A lot of the conversations with Luke and Braver Angels are are also reflecting that place where we are with this incredible political divide.
• 1:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: That isn't serving anyone.
• 1:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And it's serving to dismantle our country, which personally I think is a good thing.
• 1:59
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: But maybe not in the sense that a lot of people that really support Trump would say, I mean, I see a much bigger dismantling, a much larger.
• 2:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Oh, I love to think about Cali, the Hindu goddess of destruction and how everything has to come apart before it can be rebuilt.
• 2:19
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And I think back 20, 25 years, even 30 years when my kids were little, seeing all of the problems with the education system, the medical system a lot of things that were broken in this country, the.
• 2:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The corrupt politicalness, the way bills are written, the way lobbyists are driven by big business.
• 2:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Like all of these things have been problems for most of my lifetime, and I hold that up against consciousness raising and.
• 2:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: When we slow down enough, when we meditate, when we watch our thoughts, when we look closely, and part of this is my autistic brain digging deep and thinking long and hard about where the problems stem from and what out of the box solutions there could be.
• 3:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: So the interview with Luke and Braver Angels, that really outlines very simple things, like whatever's happening politically, we are still Americans, and before that we are all part of humanity and how we wanna treat each other, how we wanna listen to each other, how we want to focus on what's the same, what's common.
• 3:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And I think.
• 3:41
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: He made some really good points about when we break down, whether you're red or blue, and we break down what we want.
• 3:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We all want a strong economy, or we want access to the goods and services that we need.
• 3:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We all want to support our families and have close loving relationships.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We wanna feel safe.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We wanna feel heard.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We wanna feel like we have a structure in place that's bigger than us that we can rely on.
• 4:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I don't think anybody doesn't want those things.
• 4:14
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And yet in the interview with Rupert, he outlines the culture in south African bush Bushman, that doesn't have a hierarchy, that doesn't have leaders, that relies on the shaman to go into the unseen world to fix problems energetically between people when things get too sticky.
• 4:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And I look at our culture and how we have like a new age movement or back in the sixties and seventies we had a lot of hippies or communes or, or different ideas that were counterculture counter to the culture of having any kind of government.
• 4:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And how does this relate to horse training?
• 5:00
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Well, let's think about that for just a minute.
• 5:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: When we govern our horses with a government like natural horsemanship or any overlay of complete dominance, that's kind of what we're doing.
• 5:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: There's a lot of stuff flying around on Facebook about right now, about how we've been tricked, how we've been dominated, how been lied to, and how all of this needs to be dismantled.
• 5:30
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And I'm not going to tell you it's gonna start with natural horsemanship, but if you think about it, there is a metaphor there.
• 5:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: There's a very good metaphor there.
• 5:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: When I looked to my interview with Sarah my dear friend, Sarah's weeping Pearl episode, and how she decided to not call her cancer cancer, how she decided to not ever say she was fighting cancer.
• 5:58
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Because she's not, she's living with it.
• 6:03
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Our words, our thoughts become our words.
• 6:09
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Our words become our deeds and actions, and our deeds and actions dictate our reality and the lens that we look through.
• 6:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: So we best be careful.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We best stop.
• 6:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Catch our thoughts, and if they're garbage negative, drag'em to the trash, throw them away, replace them with something more spiritual or positive.
• 6:32
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I so admire Sarah for all of the commentary and how she has mindfully navigated her dying and.
• 6:45
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: It doesn't escape me that our culture is dying in a lot of ways and needs to, again, with the Cali, right, the destruction, the death, and out of that death comes rebirth.
• 6:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Craig Smith had quite the commentary on our culture, likening it to an addict, talking about the narcissistic qualities of our culture and how we're addicted to power and materialism, and how these things spring naturally out of colonialism and capitalism.
• 7:16
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And he's not wrong.
• 7:17
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: He's not wrong about any of it, and I see how it fits.
• 7:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: How this growing awareness, and I keep hearing these conversations and Carissa quoted having one recently with friends about the colonialism, and I think that it's the conversation that Luke started about the polarity that people feel that has them looking for another answer, has them looking at things through a different lens, having them go back to like, where did this start?
• 7:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: How did we get in so much trouble?
• 7:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: There are all these things in our culture that people wanna change, and there are things about horse training that I wanna change and they're, they're very similar, pulling it together.
• 8:04
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: You know, interviewing Carissa after interviewing Craig and, and what Kai had to say about our environment is so important.
• 8:12
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And there was such a great segue from a lot of Craig's talk about you can't understand an organism unless you understand its environment is so true.
• 8:22
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Like, I can apply that to so many things, right?
• 8:25
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I can apply it to myself and people I meet, I can apply it to.
• 8:29
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: How we interact with people in different environments, how other people interact in different environments, and where we come from as a, as a base, what our childhood experiences are, how all of those conversations segued into like the narcissist view, the colonialism, and then mental health as Carissa took us back through.
• 8:57
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The history of mental health and the history of horse training and gave us context at those intersections, it really, oh my gosh.
• 9:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: It gives so much context to my entire podcast.
• 9:10
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Right.
• 9:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And I'm also so grateful, you know, I wanted to interview her first when I first began the podcast and she was so busy and had to really kind of think and evolve'cause she's such a great thinker and I'm just so spontaneous.
• 9:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: But I'm so grateful that it worked out.
• 9:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Her interview came when it did after Ginny, after Rupert, after Luke, after Sarah, and after Craig because, and after Kai.
• 9:36
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Because all of those conversations are part of what she was talking about, and there's been such an interactive thread pulling through all of these interviews that I am absolutely amazed.
• 9:49
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: It definitely feels like a God thing.
• 9:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And then we land with Amanda.
• 9:55
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Who echoes a lot of Carissa's belief and offers new insights about moving forward that circle so nicely.
• 10:06
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Back to Rupert and Jenny's early conversations also about.
• 10:13
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Our need to slow down and listen.
• 10:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Our need to challenge our beliefs, our need to challenge if our culture is appropriate in so many ways, and we're doing that with the quiet revolution in the horse world.
• 10:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We're doing that by challenging absolute dominance.
• 10:30
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We're doing that by wanting to offer horses more of a choice.
• 10:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: We're doing that by coming into their culture.
• 10:40
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Developing deep foundational relationships with them and listening to their wisdom.
• 10:48
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: One of my very favorite books of all time is Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.
• 10:53
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I read it years ago, but it was a life-changing book, and it's a really weird kind of story about a talking ape in a hotel room.
• 11:02
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And the friend that recommended it kept saying to me, stay with it.
• 11:05
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Once you get a third of the way through, you'll wanna finish it.
• 11:07
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: It'll go quick, but it's kind of weird in the beginning.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And she was right, but this book changed my life and it helped that.
• 11:15
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I also read mutant messages from down under for the second time as I was reading Ishmael.
• 11:23
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And what these two books told me is that.
• 11:30
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The activities and the structure of our primitive cultures are going to be the saving grace of humanity.
• 11:39
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Back before Mesopotamia, back before gardening, farming civilization, as we know it, nomadic tribes didn't take from the earth.
• 11:52
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: In Ishmael, he calls them takers and leavers.
• 11:54
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And the lever, the lever culture.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Is the one that we're going to need to look to, to not only protect the earth, but to protect our humanity and mutant messages from down under is also a crazy story.
• 12:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The first time it's, it's a fictional book, but it's not.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The first time I read it, I thought it was fiction.
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  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: The second time I read it with Ishmael, I realized it was real to the bone, that you absolutely can smell water in the desert.
• 12:26
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: That you can rely on spiritual guides for survival, that when you become more acquainted with and one with your environment, the natural environment of the earth, you're in a different place.
• 12:42
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: And.
• 12:44
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I discovered that last spring when I talk about being in right relationship, that episode, and eating the wild greens, and then being able to find plants more easily.
• 12:54
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: I know, I absolutely know that Mutant Messages is not a, a fictional book and the awareness that comes.
• 13:11
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: From opening up our minds that America isn't great, that colonialism and capitalism, while they're functioning historical things that offered a lot as an experiment are not the way we're meant to live.
• 13:27
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: Now, horses are here to remind us of what we knew when we first began living with them way, way, way back.
• 13:35
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: When.
• 13:37
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: That's where I am.
• 13:38
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: That's what I think the quiet revolution in the horse world isn't just about horses.
• 13:43
  Samson Q2U Microphone & FaceTime HD Camera: It's about humanity surviving.