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Football at Four: Going Inside Eagles Jalen Carter Situation and The Plan Until he Returns · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Powered by the Inside of the Birds podcast. It is
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  Speaker 1: brought you by the Fanatic Sports Book at Ocean Gazina
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  Speaker 1: Resort in Atlantic City. Adam Kaplan's here today as the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles get some big news on the injury front. Usually,
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  Speaker 1: Adam is on Friday show for Football at fourum, we
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  Speaker 1: talked injuries. Well, we got injury news at the top
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  Speaker 1: of today's show, Adam Kaplan, Let's bring you right in
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  Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about this. A procedure on
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  Speaker 1: both shoulders here, and this is interesting because they get
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  Speaker 1: the procedure on both shoulders. He hopes to be ready
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  Speaker 1: for the playoff run. Kind of ambiguous on what this
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  Speaker 1: all is here. So how long has this been an
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  Speaker 1: issue here for Jalen Carter?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Mike, So let's go back to our reporting
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  Speaker 2: when he was drafted. You know, we talked a lot
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  Speaker 2: about on your show and all of our platforms about
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  Speaker 2: you know, the off the field concerns. It's been well detailed.
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  Speaker 2: But what we added that really wasn't out there very much,
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  Speaker 2: if at all, was that he had a shoulder problem
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  Speaker 2: and clubs were concerned about it. It wasn't that he couldn't
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  Speaker 2: play with it. It's how how long could he go?
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  Speaker 2: Could he even eight year career tenure? There was a
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  Speaker 2: there was a problem. We didn't know it was both though.
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  Speaker 2: Now what the thing is, Mike, We don't know if
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  Speaker 2: if one more, you like, did something else happen recently?
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  Speaker 2: We know he had the bad shoulder. Fact, Mike, he
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  Speaker 2: came to train and give If you recall that the
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles would put out their training camp injury report
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  Speaker 2: in the first day it said shoulder. I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is he's had shoulder. He's been on the injury
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  Speaker 2: put a lot with the shoulder issue since he was drafted.
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  Speaker 2: But we you know, we don't know what the what
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  Speaker 2: happened to the other shoulder, but you both were done.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike, this remember now the this is a concern. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he's had this cleaned up, and we don't know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what kind of procedure. You know, if it was just
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  Speaker 2: a scope, fine, but it doesn't mean that he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be back in two weeks. You just you're worry
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  Speaker 2: about this long term. Mike. It's that that's there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that concern that we got from clubs that we talked
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  Speaker 2: to a lot of people in Scout and the guys
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  Speaker 2: who had the the areas from Georgia. But it was
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  Speaker 2: now we're like, okay, well he may not play six
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  Speaker 2: or seven years. Was that that it could go This
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  Speaker 2: could be a recurring issue. But you worry about this
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  Speaker 2: because shoulders, man, that's you know that it can become
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  Speaker 2: a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So what would have to kind of happen for
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  Speaker 1: him to play here? I mean he's played obviously through
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  Speaker 1: the season. Last week obviously it's out of like Nick
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  Speaker 1: Fangio did indicate that, you know, he's having some shoulder issues.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're at this stage of the game. What has
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  Speaker 1: to happen for him to play this season there?
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  Speaker 2: So basically, Mike, he's got to get clear for contact
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  Speaker 2: on both shoulders. Mike, he's got to feel that he
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  Speaker 2: can do whatever he needs to do to play. Mike.
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  Speaker 2: That that's the thing. He can't worry about it. He's
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  Speaker 2: got to feel comfortable. I mean, that's you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's certain type of injuries that you have.
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  Speaker 2: Because you said this at the top, we don't know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what got repaired on the shoulder. Was it labor
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  Speaker 2: and we don't really know, but I have to I
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  Speaker 2: have to go back and talk to some of the
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  Speaker 2: area scouts that I know who gave us information for
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  Speaker 2: that draft, if they remember exactly what it was, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's been three years, so sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 2: the guys don't think they may not have that information available.
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  Speaker 2: But so yeah, he's he's got to get clear for
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  Speaker 2: contact and both shoulders. It's actually very important and he's
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  Speaker 2: got to feel confident in it. And then you know
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio, And this is the thing with Vic and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of younger coaches who are concerned about their job.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they they may like it's the medical the
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  Speaker 2: by the way, and he's got to get he's got
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  Speaker 2: to get clear of medically from the medical staff. But
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  Speaker 2: from a coaching standpoint, some guys, look, you know we
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  Speaker 2: our best player on defense, who got to play him? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Vick would like to have him, but if he can't
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  Speaker 2: do his job, well, he won't play in the normal
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  Speaker 2: amount of snaps that you know, as much as Vic
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  Speaker 2: loves to I hate to say this, but there's evidence
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  Speaker 2: of it, not only here but with the Niners, because
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  Speaker 2: I was told that that he will overwork players like
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  Speaker 2: he plays and starters a lot of snaps he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: like to rotate very much. He did in this game
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  Speaker 2: because nobody played well in the defense front. So Mike,
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  Speaker 2: he's got to look right to play normal number of steps.
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  Speaker 2: So this is something will be monitoring. You can't just
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  Speaker 2: plug and play somebody. He's got to be right physically,
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  Speaker 2: So let's just be careful of assuming and you know
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  Speaker 2: that he'll be good as new. Now what greg O
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  Speaker 2: Selt told us on inside of the tape because I
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  Speaker 2: asked him a couple of weeks ago, he said, finally
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  Speaker 2: Carter starts looking like the Carter rev All because you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not had a great season. He's down in production
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  Speaker 2: and the tape's not as good. Recently, mikey started playing
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  Speaker 2: much better. But now I'm not talking last week's game.
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  Speaker 2: Games leading up to last week's game, right.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, we'll get into because you obviously we're talking
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about the him not having him now
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  Speaker 1: how to replace him real quick? For what it's worth.
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  Speaker 1: Pro football doc David schel says he thinks it was
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  Speaker 1: likely PRP injections rather than surgery, because he's had a procedure.
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  Speaker 1: They did not say surgery. He'll miss a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles could keep him off I r if they
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  Speaker 1: need him back, but if not, he may sit out
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  Speaker 1: the remainder of the regular season. So you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of uh ambiguous talk about he could come back,
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  Speaker 1: he might be ready for a playoff run. But I
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  Speaker 1: thought Les Bowen put out an interesting tweet said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know any surgeries where you can come back and
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  Speaker 1: play defensive tackle in like two weeks, you know, but.
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  Speaker 2: If it's perr placimal replacement. Actually I know it was funny.
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  Speaker 2: It was actually Jamaco Murray had a report when DeMarco
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  Speaker 2: Murray was an Eagle that he had PRP. He had
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  Speaker 2: the injection and that got him back, you know, actually
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  Speaker 2: not too long. I don't remember the exact timeless just
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  Speaker 2: ten years ago, got I cannot believe it was ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago. But the bottom line is, yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 2: when you talk about a procedure, that's what doctor we know,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor joh I know what exactly what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way you get both shoulders done and be
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  Speaker 2: back in two weeks. So that that would that would
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  Speaker 2: explain that you that's a fair point, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So what is the plan? Who do they have. I
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  Speaker 1: saw last week I was looking at Andrew to check
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  Speaker 1: who who usually puts out the snap counts and actually
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  Speaker 1: knows that Ojomo played one more snap than Carter did
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  Speaker 1: last week. One was at like six, the other one
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  Speaker 1: was at sixty one. You had Jordan Davis, you had
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  Speaker 1: Byron Young, and then you have practice squad guys.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So what's going to happen is Mike, It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be Byron Young and then ty Robinson's next up.
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  Speaker 2: Now what I will tell you because he had a
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  Speaker 2: good training camp. I know they released him to get
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  Speaker 2: him in the practice buy that's Gabe Hall game. Hal
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  Speaker 2: had a good training camp. Like he he did a
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  Speaker 2: good job. I know he doesn't have he has great length,
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  Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the quickness that that Vic Fanghu
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  Speaker 2: would like. But he's a good football player. He he's
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  Speaker 2: a guy that needs to get a chance. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: the issue now with ty Robinson's is we've been asked this,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll just you know, I'll just explain to you
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  Speaker 2: he had a tech issue in training camp. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a good training camp. He's a flash player, needs
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  Speaker 2: a lot of work. He needs a full offseason, Mike
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  Speaker 2: where he could, he could work on technique with Clint Hurt,
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  Speaker 2: defensive line coach. Because he's a guy. I know they
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  Speaker 2: were excited about when they draft him. They thought they
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  Speaker 2: got a good value. He's very popular in scouting circles
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  Speaker 2: Ty Robinson. But he just wasn't ready to contribute. And
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  Speaker 2: that's that's what's happened this season. Brian Young's been a
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  Speaker 2: nice story, a number ninety four. You'll see him on
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  Speaker 2: Sunday hesus that Sunday Monday night. Excuse me, you get
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  Speaker 2: the day's right with it against the Chargers. Mic. So
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  Speaker 2: when you watch this game, Mike, look, this is the problem. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Carter was the most double team defensive tackle in the
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  Speaker 2: National Football League by the metrics that the Eagles had,
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  Speaker 2: and he gets double team a lot. Still he causes havoc,
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  Speaker 2: There's no question. Even when he's not quite himself, he's
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  Speaker 2: still very good. Ojomo is not a power player. This
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  Speaker 2: is where they missed. Milt Williams. Milt Williams is a
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  Speaker 2: phenomenal football player, and unfortunately he's on an I are
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  Speaker 2: with a high ankle sprain. But he's a power player.
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  Speaker 2: You could two gap him. You could one gap him.
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  Speaker 2: He's so good, and they don't have that guy without Carter.
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  Speaker 2: You know, milt Owings. Milt Owings would be the guy
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  Speaker 2: right now if Carter wasn't playing. But they're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: have Jordan Davis. Look, he doesn't rush the passerball, though
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  Speaker 2: he's done a little bit better. This impacts everything they do.
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  Speaker 2: And Mike Russian, you know, Russian cover cover in Russia.
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  Speaker 2: It really does. I'm just telling you this.
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  Speaker 1: Ye we've seen them play without him on defense. It
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  Speaker 1: hasn't gone well.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just going to tell you because I won't
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  Speaker 2: be with you. Actually, I think I'm Jeff and I
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  Speaker 2: are going to be switching spots, so I'll be with
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  Speaker 2: you on Monday. I could tell you. I'll just tell
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  Speaker 2: you now. All week I was going to pick the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: I picked the Bears. Last week, I was going to
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  Speaker 2: pick the Eagles to beat the Chargers. We'll see. Now
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  Speaker 2: we have to see if Herbert's playing. I know he's
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  Speaker 2: planning to play. He made a very kind of play,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll see if he gets cleared. But I just
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  Speaker 2: don't it's calling me very hard for the new wing
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  Speaker 2: because their defense did not play well last week, and
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to beat the Chargers without.
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  Speaker 1: Carter Well, so the impact on the defense until he
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  Speaker 1: gets back. As you are like there, you're also looking
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  Speaker 1: at Marcus Epps most likely stepping in there. He's been
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  Speaker 1: out for pretty much the whole site. He hasn't played
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  Speaker 1: a lot of defense here.
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  Speaker 2: That all.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the Eagles tried to put in a claim
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  Speaker 1: for slay. He gets picked up by the Bills. He
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  Speaker 1: then retires here. I mean, this is all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles in real time trying to you know, hang
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  Speaker 1: on for dear life with some of the impact on
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  Speaker 1: some of these injuries to their defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a tough deal, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: It's you basically have to change the way you look
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  Speaker 2: at this mic in terms of this game. And you
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  Speaker 2: know Marcus Aps going in. The only issue is that
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  Speaker 2: Marcus Ops has to look like himself coming off his injury.
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  Speaker 2: If he does, he'll start averceeding Brown. Citey Brown as
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine in scouting, said I stole this
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  Speaker 2: line of some funny thing I heard all season. He said,
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  Speaker 2: City Brown is a kille Ringo of safeties. He's a
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  Speaker 2: really good special teams play. You really don't want him
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  Speaker 2: out there on defense. It's it's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't cover very well. He's a box safety and
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  Speaker 2: that's what he is, Mike. It's just you don't draft
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  Speaker 2: box safeties that early. As much as he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's that gold star player or whatever they called red
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  Speaker 2: star for character. He just doesn't cover well and that
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  Speaker 2: that's shown up.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. He certainly athletics flashy, can you know? He can
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  Speaker 1: kind of reminds you a little little bit of like
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  Speaker 1: a Troy Palamala where he's just throwing his body all
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  Speaker 1: over the place. Yep, But sure coverage is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, There you go. There's the update with Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: He will be out for the game Monday, and quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: could be out for a lot longer than that. We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: We'll keep our eyes on that. Adam Kaplan for Today's
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  Speaker 1: Football on ninety seven three ESPN. Thanks Adam, Thanks, thank
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  Speaker 1: you all right, Adam pinchhitting today for to checko and
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  Speaker 1: of course the Checko will be on tomorrow show