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Club 520 - Metta World Peace on injuring Michael Jordan, playing with Kobe Bryant, guarding LeBron · Club 520 Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells. We got
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  Speaker 1: a special guest in the building, the legend of the building.
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  Speaker 1: To my left, we're gonna introduce my man's last But
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  Speaker 3: How you wasn't nasty? How you what nasty? I'm good today, baby?
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  Speaker 3: Oh you got the hat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. Let's go see a lot of things. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: shout out to Melly, Shout out to JM.
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  Speaker 3: Got it in them all, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to the merged game gate. To my right,
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  Speaker 3: How you a man?
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  Speaker 1: Good man, hype man. We got another legend in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, he was with your pacers. Yes, sir, he
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  Speaker 1: got play for the pacers. I ain't do what he did,
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  Speaker 1: but I got a chance.
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  Speaker 3: To be on the team. But now I'm glad we
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  Speaker 3: got him in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Man, i'n'a let you do the honors and introduce listen man,
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  Speaker 1: anytime we can get a legend in the building, especially
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  Speaker 1: a PACER's legend building.
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  Speaker 3: You know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: We gigged about this, you've seen this man, champion, philanthropist,
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  Speaker 1: one of the first people to speak about how important
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  Speaker 1: it is for black Ben to go to therapy, to
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  Speaker 1: have a release for their mental health and to use
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  Speaker 1: this platform for other people to feel that type of
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  Speaker 1: relief that they needed got the Dog Metalworld Police Man
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  Speaker 1: appreciate of twenty Big.
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  Speaker 4: God, thanks for having me man, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for.
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  Speaker 4: What that has said. How you would that's flying? That's
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  Speaker 4: the first time hearing that.
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  Speaker 3: That's sound lingo. That's good. You didn't hear you miss
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  Speaker 3: the place.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't want to hear that, But you a PACER's
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  Speaker 1: legend being in the city before. We like, how was
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  Speaker 1: it being in the city when the pacers was like lit?
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  Speaker 1: Like y'all was it? How was that feeling in the
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  Speaker 1: city because you always got a lot of love, especially
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  Speaker 1: for the way you played, Like a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't understand how we embrace our players here, Like if
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  Speaker 1: you come to that you who were rock with you forever?
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  Speaker 5: I love nap you know, so the history with that
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  Speaker 5: but is interesting because I grew up a Nick fan.
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  Speaker 4: I actually grew up a Boll fan.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Michael Jordan is like Lebron James. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: from New York by how throwing the bulls bandwagon, but
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  Speaker 5: definitely a nick guy. I love New York. But the
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  Speaker 5: crazy thing about the Paces I have my hood in Queens.
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  Speaker 5: We tied to the Paces Sean Green playing for the Paces.
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  Speaker 5: Vern Fleming I walked, you know, right the same block
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  Speaker 5: Veron Fleman. You know, that's when he's from the hood
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  Speaker 5: and when we've seen the Paces uniform since we was young.
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  Speaker 5: Then I get to the Paces and then Vern Fleming
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  Speaker 5: is my coach. So it was just crazy being able
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  Speaker 5: somebody I idolize is now passing the rock while we're
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  Speaker 5: getting shot to Yeah, he never I had.
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  Speaker 4: Never really seen him because he was older.
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  Speaker 5: But every day I just would think about, damn, Vern
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  Speaker 5: Fleming is passing me the ball in practice and he's
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  Speaker 5: sitting right here, you know, here next to me on
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  Speaker 5: the bench. So you know, the paces are super special
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  Speaker 5: to us. You know a lot of people don't real understand,
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  Speaker 5: but the pace is super special. And then when I
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  Speaker 5: came here, my whole family came here. Then obviously I
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  Speaker 5: left and they just parked. You know, we got about
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  Speaker 5: thirty family members here right now. When I left, it
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  Speaker 5: was maybe ten. But we popping babies out. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the artist's you know name, and the Holmes, my other
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  Speaker 5: you know, my mom's last name. You know, we got
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  Speaker 5: a couple of the last names. But the bloodline is like,
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  Speaker 5: we love Naptown, we love Indiana, you know, and we always.
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  Speaker 3: Will the lineage and that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, and we get a classic burn
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  Speaker 2: story burned our guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good to hear. That's good to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's you know what I'm saying. You got a
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  Speaker 2: classic story that you can share with us that ain't
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  Speaker 2: too fit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Man, well I got the stories. I'm forty four.
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  Speaker 4: I came here. I was twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: So Vern's niece has a baby with my cousin, So
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  Speaker 5: that's one. That's one story. Yeah, And his brother was nice.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, his victor's brother nice, super nice. And
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  Speaker 5: then I played in you know, local ball with Lou
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  Speaker 5: Guns who coached Verne Fleming also, so it's like a
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  Speaker 5: lot of different I don't have any other stories because
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  Speaker 5: you know, he like when he went to the league
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people still, you know, we're still in
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  Speaker 5: the hood that he played with, but they were so
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  Speaker 5: so much older than us. Those stories over our head.
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  Speaker 5: He was he was like a kind of a good guy,
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  Speaker 5: not getting in any trouble. So it was it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a lot of stories out there. You didn't verne go
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  Speaker 5: play ball.
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  Speaker 4: You never heard any crazy stories.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to take it back though.
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  Speaker 1: We said a little off my conversation about the ad
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  Speaker 1: you days, you was probably one of the best at
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  Speaker 1: YOU teams ever.
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  Speaker 3: Some say it's the best ever.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy for sure. Up for debate, that's one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 5: But to hear people say it, it's wild because we
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  Speaker 5: felt like that, you know, and but people started to
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  Speaker 5: say it, even like the younger generation.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, how do they even find out? But the
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  Speaker 4: team was sick, you know.
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  Speaker 5: You had you had me and Eric Barkley picking up
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  Speaker 5: full court, were picking up ninety four feet, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Then you had Lamar Oldham who was six eleven point
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  Speaker 5: guard at that time, you know, high school Elton brand
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  Speaker 5: who was always the best. Lamar was always number two,
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  Speaker 5: and then me Eric was always like tied for three.
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  Speaker 5: And then we had a couple of people that was
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  Speaker 5: not far behind.
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  Speaker 2: Reggie Jesse came off the bench.
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  Speaker 4: Reggie Jesse, My god, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's the same legend for sure.
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  Speaker 4: That's incredible, man.
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  Speaker 5: And I felt bad for him because he playing on
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  Speaker 5: our team and we all team ball players, so nobody
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  Speaker 5: nobody had twenty, nobody had thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Elton average fourteen.
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  Speaker 5: I averaged twelve pointy eight, you know, So it was
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  Speaker 5: all about hustle and Reggie you know.
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  Speaker 4: He's a team player, Lamar, you see, Lamar, my team player.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 5: I was the man on my team's here. But when
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  Speaker 5: I went to the lake, I had to play a role.
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  Speaker 5: I can play a role easy, that's easy, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, full five, be effective. That's how we played.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't about how many shots you missed. It was
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  Speaker 5: about just trying to win. So I was never worried
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  Speaker 5: about field goal percentage. And that's how we all That's
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  Speaker 5: how we all were, and we respected Elton as the
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  Speaker 5: best player on the team, you know. And then guys
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  Speaker 5: like Reggie, you know, he wouldn't play as much, so
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  Speaker 5: he he could have went somewhere else. Yeah, but nobody
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  Speaker 5: was thinking about, Oh I played on this team. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not gonna get scouted. We was thinking about winning now,
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  Speaker 5: you know. And so it was like, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: he sacrificed a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever go up against Tim Thomas squad.
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  Speaker 5: Was a year older than us. We were younger. Tim
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  Speaker 5: gave us forty one time for the show.
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  Speaker 3: Was he really like that in high school?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: My goodness. He was pretty solid league.
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  Speaker 5: He was nice, played the same way, played the same way,
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  Speaker 5: played the same way. But he was older than us.
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  Speaker 5: But he gave us forty. He was a tournament called Portchester.
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  Speaker 5: So port Chester it was New York's at his finals
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  Speaker 5: with no foules. It was a high school tournament fouls.
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  Speaker 5: So it's the only tournament, like there is no tournament,
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  Speaker 5: the only tournament like this. So you can literally, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you want a fast break. They had, They're coming at
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  Speaker 5: your head. Is everybody wasn't just me? This was like
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  Speaker 5: the league and you know. And then so in that
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  Speaker 5: tournament he had forty in a small gym.
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  Speaker 4: That's when I knew he was the truth.
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  Speaker 3: I was playing above the realm.
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  Speaker 5: Tournament was it was? It was one of my favorite
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know about Portchester.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite. I wouldn't have played that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like football, if you.
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  Speaker 2: Started to Lindy, you was a real.
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  Speaker 6: Night crazy yeah, yeah, but yeah, exactly, it really was.
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  Speaker 5: It was high school too, because the streets in New
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  Speaker 5: York was like tough playing in the streets, but this
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  Speaker 5: it was like an organized tournament and you wouldn't expect
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  Speaker 5: you wouldn't expect it to be that aggressive. But Tim,
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  Speaker 5: Tim had he remember one game he had ten threes.
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  Speaker 5: I remember the game, and Tim was Tim was the
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  Speaker 5: truth for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I had to ask about it.
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  Speaker 1: Man, we could move on, but I had, I mean
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  Speaker 1: speaking about like high schooling around that time. Is there
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  Speaker 1: anybody like New York is a basketball state? Is there
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  Speaker 1: anybody we like wouldn't know that was like super nice?
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, those guys, Is there anybody else from
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  Speaker 1: New York?
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  Speaker 5: That was so many guys, so so many guys. And
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  Speaker 5: when I came into the league, I will always shout
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  Speaker 5: out the guys that nobody heard about because I felt.
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  Speaker 4: Like I was obligated. You know.
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  Speaker 5: It was a guy named Mike Chaffill from my neighborhood,
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  Speaker 5: Mike Chatfield. I was thirteen. He beat me thirty two
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  Speaker 5: to two. You know he was tough. He later died
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  Speaker 5: on twenty ten on I had a my name, his
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  Speaker 5: name inscribed in my head, said Chatty.
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  Speaker 4: He died in a drug deal.
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  Speaker 5: But you know it was players like that that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't have the support. You know, they didn't have
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  Speaker 5: the father figures and stuff. So they you know, they
• 9:55
  Speaker 5: go on other routes. But he stands out and other
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  Speaker 5: than some players just current make it some and have
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  Speaker 5: the street side, but they didn't have the guidance you
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  Speaker 5: could a guy like Ali.
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  Speaker 4: You probably heard all.
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  Speaker 5: Elitec god bro Well look legit, legit. I played against
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  Speaker 5: Alibum plenty of times six eight, you know, thrown behind
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  Speaker 5: the back past his full court now on target on
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  Speaker 5: time at sixth eight, like he was. He was incredible,
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  Speaker 5: even though he was in the street playing street ball.
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  Speaker 5: I actually brought him to Indiana because he was going
• 10:28
  Speaker 5: through a lot. He was trying to train. So I'm like, Alimo,
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  Speaker 5: if you want to play in the league, you gotta
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  Speaker 5: work cross. I brought him out to Indiana. He was
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  Speaker 5: in the pacers gym were working working them out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I worked out all Actually, Chatty was in the pace.
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  Speaker 5: We was all out here one year, everybody working, just
• 10:41
  Speaker 5: working on our game, you know, when we had access
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  Speaker 5: to the gym, but it was a lot of players.
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  Speaker 4: You know that that I thought was nice.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, Dan been a pacer, Larry, we could have
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  Speaker 1: had off the back.
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  Speaker 4: Jamal. We had no cardio. He had no cardio at
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  Speaker 4: that time.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a testament to him because out here from
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  Speaker 1: we all know, Andre Owen said the same thing about you.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 1: He said he used to have runs out tenth and
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  Speaker 1: Post and he used to come up there and who
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  Speaker 1: with him and he was like, man, you can play.
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  Speaker 1: And you called Larry and him up there to watch
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  Speaker 1: him work out, and he got He made the Facers
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  Speaker 1: team because of that.
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  Speaker 5: That was It was random because I respect Andre's work ethic,
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  Speaker 5: even though he get all the foul calls.
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  Speaker 1: To this day, he still ow me some calls.
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  Speaker 4: You can't You're.
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  Speaker 5: Not gonna win a battle with Andre. You ain't winning
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: no battle. But I'd be like, man, your boy. Then
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: he's gonna get mad, he's gonna poke his chests out.
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  Speaker 5: I ain't getting no fould andres my god. But he's tough.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he was solid, and you know I wanted
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: to rock with him. Honestly, I felt like he's a dog,
• 11:48
  Speaker 5: and I forgot that he was actually on our team,
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: but I felt like he was a dog.
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  Speaker 3: He said that. Man, shout out to you.
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  Speaker 5: Definitely, man, definitely, I was. I love playing with dogs, man,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie. It was every practice that we
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: was in Indiana practices, it was intense.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 1: That's the craziest part is like obviously when you came
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  Speaker 1: to Indy and then the team they formed, like that's
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  Speaker 1: the one. Somebody was like the Pacers might win the
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  Speaker 1: championship like we were. I felt, in the heart of
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: hearts we had a contented team. I don't get to
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  Speaker 1: say that often. You know what I'm saying. Years of heartbreak,
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  Speaker 1: I get it, But that time period especially, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: we have everything we needed.
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  Speaker 3: When this ship, I feel like we were the best
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  Speaker 3: team in the league. That's the best patience team ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but for sure, oh hold on, yeah, and no
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  Speaker 1: disrespect to the teams and went to the finals with
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  Speaker 1: j Rose Mark Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Here, it was different, brof we believed it.
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  Speaker 1: Then pin strips, bro I mean a little flowed, but
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  Speaker 1: then that was different, like they knew what time it
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  Speaker 1: was with us.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all had a bunch of two way players.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody was. Everybody was too way. Yeah, you know,
• 12:49
  Speaker 5: everybody was two way. Jamaine could have won Defensive Player. Yeah,
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: you know, I thought he should have won MVP. And
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, KG is my dude. It's not to
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  Speaker 5: you know, slight him. But let's just give Jamaine his flowers. Sure,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because people forget that Jamayne once he actually
• 13:07
  Speaker 5: finished third, I thought he should have been MVP because
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: he was the best on that team. We won sixty
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  Speaker 5: one games. Nice, we was five seven games ahead of
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  Speaker 5: everybody else, So well what does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: You know? So I feel like Jamaine was getting slighter,
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  Speaker 4: and so many do.
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  Speaker 5: He's so professional, you know, he's I brought him down
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  Speaker 5: a little bit when I left, you know, when I
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: can request the trades. You know, he don't get the MVP,
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  Speaker 5: and he's still resilient. It's still fly like he was
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: two years old, you know. But we definitely had a
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  Speaker 5: lot of two way players.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta ask you talk about just a little bit,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: but we would love to hear it again if possible.
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  Speaker 1: Your legendary pickup game with MJ Man, How was that
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  Speaker 1: playing ball with the goat.
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  Speaker 5: Incredible. It was incredible because so I'm from I'm from
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  Speaker 5: you know, from New York. To pickup basketball is what
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  Speaker 5: we take it serious. So that's all I know, you know,
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  Speaker 5: is to is to work hard.
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  Speaker 4: So MJ. I idolized MJ.
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  Speaker 5: You know, turn I got Defensive Player of the Year
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  Speaker 5: and his number, that's his number, that's twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: That ain't nothing but MJ. Man So.
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  Speaker 5: And then when I was nineteen, we had these open runs,
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  Speaker 5: and you know how we play open runs. You know
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  Speaker 5: some Andre Owens. He would have loved these runs MJ.
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  Speaker 5: When he The problem with MJ is when he get
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  Speaker 5: the ball, he gonna score. So that's where you mess
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  Speaker 5: up by letting him catch it. So every time he
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: would catch it, he was scoring. Some on my head,
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, I can't let this dude touch the ball.
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  Speaker 5: So he was posting me up one time and I
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: was trying to deny, and they had referees in open runs.
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  Speaker 5: So as I was trying to deny him, you know,
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  Speaker 5: as I was denying him, I just moved his arm
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  Speaker 5: out the way, you know, and then as I moved
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  Speaker 5: to arm, I hit him with my right level and
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: they hit him in his ribs and then you know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: his ribs cracked his ribs and then so I seen
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: him go like this, but I ain't think nothing another it.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: So I seen him holding it. So we go down,
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: we miss the shot. MJ give me the ball, MJ
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: get the ball, He hold it, come down free throw line,
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: game winner, and walk.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Off the court. I'm like, damn, MJ. Nice.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: And then the next day I get a I seen
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: in the media said Metaworld piece punched MJ. You know it,
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: said mat and run out of test punched MJ and
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: broke his ribs. So now I'm sick. I'm sure I
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: can't leave the house. I'm not going to practices in summertime.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: But we're still training. So I'm and my agent called me.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: My agent called me, He like, where are you at?
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I said, read read the paper. I'm I'm depressed. This
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: is my guy. And the MJ called me, and MJ
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: I was really depressed. He said, hey's all right, Man's
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: all right, young fella. Just on the phone. It's all right,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: young fella, it happens. You're gonna be good. I know
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: you didn't mean, I.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Said, MJ.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: And my bad man. I was just playing hard. But
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: those runs. It was intense, I believe. Yeah, it was intense.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: We was going hard. And m J actually asked me
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: to come back, you know, he was like, hey, I
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: want you to come back. And I was young and
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: I was like, he was like, yeah, could you giving
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: me that work? But I was, I was in my
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: prime and at nineteen I was.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: My defense was crazy the whole time. My offense wasn't there,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: so it wasn't highlighted, but my defense was like, you know,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: it was definitely a lead at nineteen.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know you was full of energy one time.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not tired. Don't get tired.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: When did that offense click though? Because you can't? Hey
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: you started killing? When did that click for you?
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: All right, I know I can guard everybody. I'm locking
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: everybody up, but I get buckets too well.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: You know, Like so when I was young, I wasn't
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: able to score. At some point in time my high school,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: I was scoring the rock. I was hitting threes and
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: all this stuff. I got to college. You know, for me,
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I want to win. So if we're losing the game,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm a hustle mob. I'm not thinking about offense.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking about running, I'm thinking about closing out, and
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: so I don't have no legs for offense. So you know,
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: a lot of time I was in college, out have
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: eleven points, eight points, you know, maybe fifteen points for me.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: That's that's a great night for me.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: When I got to the league, I was at averaging eleven,
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: averaging twelve, and then we were losing. We losing, So
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: I said, I had to work on my game because
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: I can't I can't keep leaving us a chance.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: So every year I kept improving, just.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: In the gym, you know, four times a day in
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: the gym almost you know, five to seven hours every
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: day working on my game.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: And I just paldled on. I just kept getting better.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: And then when I got Defensive Player of the Year,
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: I was averaging eighteen. That next summer, I was in
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: the gym every day. So then Larry Bird was coming
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: down to the gym, and then Larry was working me
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: every day. I said, I'm not about to miss out
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: on this opportunity. I'm in the gym every day. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: had to leave Indiana, you know, and then I just
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: I was getting better every week. Every two weeks game
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: was agatting crazy, and I came back. I was averaging
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: twenty plus. You know, I was like, before I got suspended,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I was at twenty four. I was at twenty four game.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: What happened?
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Well back then, you know, God's to hold you. So
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: I had to figure out how to score off one dribble.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: So you'll see a lot and and that in that year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: You'll see jab wonderuble shot once you were right shot,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: you know, okay, you know, or one double layer, wonduble,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: wonderable layer. And I had to, you know, figure out
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: a way to get people off me and get to
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: the basket. And then Carlisle kept saying, you know, stop
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: holding the ball. You're holding the ball too long. So
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: I'm like, but you mean i'm holding this, you know
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: what you So I said, all right, if he's saying
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I'm holding the ball too long, I'm gonna get buckets
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: before you can say you're holding the ball too you know,
• 18:27
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• 18:34
  Speaker 5: just one day he was in practice.
• 18:36
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• 18:40
  Speaker 5: One day he's in practice. He was like, Ron, you're
• 18:43
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• 18:47
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• 18:51
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• 20:06
  Speaker 2: You was a real two way player, bro. I used
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to be like, how the fuck is he averaging twenty
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: four points and still playing the whole game on the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: defensive end? What the fuck is he taking? I just
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: where did that come from? Is that always how you've
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: been THO? Like high energy? I mean like able to play? Well,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: what's crazy?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Was I had?
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I had a heart member when I was thirteen because
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I was playing all day one day. Had to go
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: to the hospital because I was playing from seven am
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: to seven pm, right, so then I have to go
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: to the hospital. I caught pneumonia, but I caught an
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: issue in my valve in my lungs, so I get drafted.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: They missed the whole thing before I'm assigned my contract.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Donny Wall saying, and you got blood leaking in your lungs, said,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: what you mean? I go to the doctor. They say,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: we got to open you up. What so they had
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: they was gonna open my chest up, and I'm like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: I get I'm like, get this ship. I'm not get
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: it over with. So my my agent, Mark bottles team.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: He's like, He's like, I'm not letting him open up
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: your chest. I said, well, let's just get it over
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: a year and a half. I'm like, we'll just do
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: it whatever. Then they said, now we're gonna go. We're
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: gonna go through your underone. It's gonna be you. It'd
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: be about eight months, so cool, get it over with.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: And then Mark said, nah, I'm not letting it go down.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: So then Mark was researching. They went through an artery
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: in my thigh. They plugged up the hole in my heart.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: So this whole time, I'm working extra hard and I'm like, damn,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: why am I always tired in the first quarter?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I'm always tired me.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: And meanwhile I'm I'm playing defense exhausted every time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: When they did the surgery, the doctor said it took
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: forty minutes. I went I went from being out a
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: year and a half to a forty minute surgery. The
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: doctor said, don't play basketball. I was in Chicago. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: went to Chicago surgery over he said, don't do anything
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: for a week. I drive right back to the gym,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: to paces and I go right to work. Right my
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: heart stop my chest. So I caught called the train
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: and no trainers. I called my doctor. I said, your dot,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: my heart is like something happened and was pumping out
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: my chest.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm working out?
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: He said, did I tell you?
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Did I tell you the work out? So I took
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: off about I took off like two weeks, and then
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: I came back that next ship. It was crazy. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: have so much energy. B yeah, the blood. I was
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: playing with blood in my lungs. I had this one cough,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: coughed up some blood. It was natural. And then you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: ever since then, I was just like the game became
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: easier for me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: It was crazy that you had to fight yourself just
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: against them, and now.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: You mocking them or died. Allright, I'm back to pick
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: up next week.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But that shout out to you, though agent, a great
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: agent is a great agent. But like a lot of guys,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they agent wanted to know that they want to took
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: those steps to do that.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: He cared, even though I wasn't with him for a
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: long time because I had other things I was going through.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I should have never I should have never part of
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: the ways of Mark.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: But I want to give him credit because without him
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: my check, I would haven They would open.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Me up for sure.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And like you said, there's a lot of a lot
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of agents that would have just took that first opinion.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Also life that could have altered your whole career, especially
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that time period that a little bit more lenient with
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: players now developing. Being I hurt a year back then
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: was really like two and a half. That could have
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: set your career all the way back.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, I was. I was.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I was devastating because you know, I played so hard
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: and it was just it was just so many things
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: going through my mind, you know. And and and Marcus like, nah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: we were gonna find something else. And he found somebody
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: from overseas that lived in Chicago to do the special surgery.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Credible, that's crazy, that's dope.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Who and what do you say young players? Now I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: know you still follow league. Who are the young players
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: say remind you of you? Or that you favorite a lot?
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: You know, And I always I always answered this question
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: with I kind of reverse it. Who would I want
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: to be like. That's because like my career, it would
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: have been different if I was I was unstable. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: was just playing off the talent. I had the hard work.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: I still got a lot of awards. But who I
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: want to be like Kawhi Lennett one? I could you
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, I would love it to have
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: been like him or and now I'm looking at this
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Naxie kid. Oh my good, he's both ways huh oh
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: he is so nice.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I like his game.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: But kawhile Linney, it's somebody I felt like that would
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: have been my career.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I could definitely see that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: That's like, if it was a little more he was,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: he'd be the best player in the league.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And U only six two bro, no way, Yeah yeah
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: maxic for Philly.
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like my being wrong, like it makes it even
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: crazy size and the fact that you compare yourself to him.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: It is incredible. Bro. But yeah, he ain't.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: He ain't. That's crazy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Because somebody kept telling me I got to watch this
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: kid because I watch a little bit. I don't watch
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of basketball, watch a little bit, you know.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: I watch more boxing, love boxing, And somebody said, you
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: gotta wash this kid. You gotta wash this kid. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: they've been telling me for years and when I watched him,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I dam she's nice.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I thought he was six seven. That's crazy that you
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: thought he was tall.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Like six all right, Well, you know you know that's
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: not told Kawhi. Yeah, another player.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: That's definitely, yeah, for sure, that was that's that's right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Mexic Carrier that was about six five. The world will
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: be in Yeah, it would be different. Man.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Now I got asked you about this. Obviously played for
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of different teams. What was your favorite seed
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to play in?
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: My favorite city outside that?
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Outside of that, it's a lot of different variable I
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: played in l A.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: L A was crazy.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I would say Chicago was pretty insane because MJ was dead,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: you know, and they was. They was behind us too, man,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: they was behind us. But I gotta say l A
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: l A. You know, l A the energy And then
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: it was crazy because when you came into that building,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: the fans knew somebody was getting locked up.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: It was a different It.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: Was a different energy, like y'all good tonight, how y'all
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: feel tonight, don't worry too much.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: It was a different energy. So NAP is always gonna
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: be in there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: But you said, but I would say, la, because you're
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: playing with Kobe and you're playing for championships. I almost
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: didn't even go to the Lakers. I was actually trying
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: to come back to Naptown. Actually, really, I was trying
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: to come back to Indiana. That was my first choice.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: The history. It was too much, too much history, dude.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: You know, can I be trusted? Can I be relied on?
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: You know? I wasn't a reliable player, so put me
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: in a bad spot.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: See my favorite version of you as your career went.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I love when you was in Houston, boy, came with
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the mallhawk. You was getting buckets. That's what I was like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Damn me really get buckets.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Were still rapping.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: I was still rapping. I did four albums my last year.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Not nobody heard. I put on his iTunes. I did
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: four albums my last season. I took it off.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I took it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Wasn't like it wasn't it was just quick sixteen songs.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Knocked them out in number sixteen. But you know that
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: was just like fun, Yeah, it was fun. I'm from
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: a Queenslances like Nasi's right there, mall deep right here?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Huh give they give me problems about like.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I gotta grow you all right, we jump all over
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the place, excuse us in the building. Who would you?
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Who's in your not? You don't have to grank him
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: or nothing. But who's your favorite three rappers from?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: And why?
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Favorite three rappers? I would say Nas big L Pun.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I love Pun too.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's you know, it could change, but you
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: know Pun is incredible. Obviously jay Z is incredible, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: But yes.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: What was you warming up to in them games? Man
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to him? I have a picture of himself on his
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: phone screen.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And I ain't gonna hold you.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, you had one of the hardest songs on two
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: K when you loaded up two K.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: That moment of that was that ship that was that
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: was That was my most successful record. The other ones
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: was done, but it was it was Eminem a little bit,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: It was mob Deep at the gate, it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Was it was Mary J. Blige a lot s WVS.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I was an R and B. I love R and B.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: But I said in Indiana I had to stop listening
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: to Mam Deep and Eminem four games.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Because yeah, man, I'm too, I'm not turning the Eminem.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Some shady bring like you bring like Yeah, let's go like, yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I coached high school.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I had to tell my kids they couldn't listen to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the NBA young boy, because they'd be too hype. We
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: listened to Shot before the game. I said, you got cop,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that's shot before Bro, that'd be too hype. I had
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: to stop listening to rap. I stopped listening to rap
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: before a game in two thousand and five. No more,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it's over, it's too much.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I started listening to this other type of music, R
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: and B or like jazz or something that I was
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: listening to, some jazz like I.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Got later in my career.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Show No, but how was it once you got to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: l a man?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: How was that?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like Kobe make a phone call like hey my boy,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I need you slide or it was.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: It was crazy because so I was in Houston, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: I ain't gonna talk about things that was promised.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: You know that'd be going. I don't want to talk
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: But I had a great season, so actually in Houston,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: I wanted to stay in Houston. I came, I came out.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: I thought I was gonna play Teamers. I was playing
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: two minutes again, five minutes again, eight minutes, so I said,
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: damn contract. Yeah, I'm sick. I'm in my prime twenty eight,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: I'm sick, I'm playing. I'm like, all right, all right,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: my career is pretty much over. I am ana deal
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: with it. Cheering, cheering on the bench. You know, I
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: thought I should.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Shane Batty was playing t mac t mat get hurt.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Then I started playing my average go from what a
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: five to seventeen, you know, being one of the now
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: featured the team, so we could get to the playoffs.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: We take the team out the first round for the
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: first time in twelve years since our king was dead,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: you know, next to Brandon Roy Nice b.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Roy one of my favorite players of all time.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yo, b Roy was You've got a classic interview talking
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: about him, so nice said no flaws in this game.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Nice yea he was that nice. Roy was nice like
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: way nice.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So me and Small Corpe, one of my my good guys,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: a good dude, Me and him, used to battle about
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: him and Joe Johnson.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Who was better Joe b Roy and John b Roy
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: is not even close?
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Uh No, I don't love Joe is not that He's
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: just saying, like as I was.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Me going both of them then I gotta respect it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: because you are who you are.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: You know, Roy was tougher than you know.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: He had that that that d surgery. He gave me
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: forty and nobody gave me forty.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: You know. The forty was in my face.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Damn you know what I'm saying.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I was, I was baffoot.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I'm like here, I am in my prime, I'm in
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: his ass all that, and he just.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Go right, go right, faith.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Like it's definitely crazy.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: That was crazy, Yeah, Paul, we wanted.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Was same man the rock.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: The second was crazy. Yeah, yo, I gotta get on my.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I was so much other ship.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: We can talk about that crazy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. But hey, dang dash camb.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: But I can I can respect that because you definitely
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: guarded all the best players in the league.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: So your word goes, No, he was nice.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I got him up out of there early.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: We put him out of you in uh in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: we played them in the first round, got him up
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: out of there. And first we was a sixth seed.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: There was a three, So we got them up out
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: of there. And then the next year, I mean the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: next the next round, I was aving twenty five.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I was playing really well. So I thought I was
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: back to Houston.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: And then I said, all right, since I'm not going
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: back to Houston because they didn't offer, we don't want
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: to get into that, then I want to come back.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: In that town. I never thought about going. The Lakers
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: just beat us, so I'm super competitive.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: You know, King j I suppose I wanted went to Cleveland,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: but I'm super competitive.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I want to play.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Against all his dudes. So I ain't go to Cleveland
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: because because of that. Now, because I love I love
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: King James. And then when Indiana turned me down, then
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: I called the Troy. I was I want to go
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: to Detroit and I want I'm all about the story
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: and I was like, damn, that should have be dope.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: If I can win the title here, alright, cool, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: can't win the title in Indiana, that should be dope.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I can win the title, Troy. But then Detroit was like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: you know, not too much has happened.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I would love to hear how that phone call with Well.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I told my agents, and my agent was like, they
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: was like, nah, you don't. I was, I'm like, yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Of history I want to get into.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I like to go into the fire. I like to
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: go into the Lions.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Then, you know, I love being in the mouth of
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: the lion, you know, so when when when that and
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: when that didn't happen, I ain't even want to go
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: to the league. I tried to go to Greece, but
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I'm like, there's nobody I want to play well talk.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: My my agent was David Bowman, so I said, David,
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go to you know, Indiana or the Knicks.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Was like, the Knicks wasn't an option because then Donnie
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Olsh was with the Knicks. Here's my GM here. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: tried to go to the Knicks, but that was like
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: it was just too much history then, so I said,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I I'm just gonna go to Greece. But I always
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: wanted to go to Europe and just ball out in
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: my prime. But then I get a call from the Lakers,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: you know, uh, midnight, and might just say, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: the Lakers they want to talk to you, And I
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: was like, for what they just beat us, man, they
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: want to talk about they want you to join their team.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I called my family, met with dodtor Bus the next
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: morning and that was it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Cham I've been watching Winter Time man and just to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: see how he ran the organization. So I can imagine how,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: like you said, it was such a smooth transaction. You
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: went from I ain't going nowhere to doctor Bus called
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: us up. He was that good like good.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: He's a hands off you know a lot of hands
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: off on them, and you know he's not. You can't
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: go to doctor Bus and say, oh, I'm upset because
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: I ain't playing. You go said, he got talked to
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: the coach or you could talk to him. So you
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: feel like you're part of the organization. You feel like
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: you really you're in tune with owner. He's incredible. He's incredible.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: RP. Doctor Buss.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But that that championship run y'all had, like y'all
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have that series, it gets the Celtics and still one
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of the best NBA finals ever man.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: And it was wild.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: How was it like, playing like like you said, you're
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: playing with cod in that environment in the churches.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: How was that feeling?
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Was that probably why your favorite like basketball series you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: ever played in?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: One of the best of them?
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: For me personally, when I was in Houston, I was
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I was in my prime in Houston, But when I
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: got to the Lakers the next year, I was still,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: you can't get worse in your prime in four months.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: So I was still. I was really, but you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: you're playing with Kobe. So I had to change my
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: whole mindset. I actually asked for a trade that yeah,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: because I just couldn't get off. And then I met
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: with doctor Buss. He was like, hey, we're just trying
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: to win, and I had to say, okay, role player,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: role player time, role player time, role player time. That
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: was a tough adjustment. So that was that was So
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: when I got to the point where I accepted the role,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: I started to excel in a role, you know, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: it's hard being a volume shooter. Then going down to
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: five shots maybe eight missing shots. You oh for four
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: one game, I feel like, oh for twenty.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I feel like, don't miss the open one, Oh my goodness.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: So then I had to get comfortable with being a
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: role player and almost being a bad player, you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: and you know, so you know, from that perspective, you know,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: it was it was a hell of a run. You know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Kobe was incredible. And what was the first part of
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: the question of about I was, I was kind.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Of friend now you good.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, like that environment like how it
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was because like we all watched that face like still
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like that was one of the best series ever.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Now it was crazy.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: So playing as the Celtic, be and Paul got history
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: from Indiana paces. So when we was, you know, with
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: the Lakers paces, I'm sorry, with the and Celtics, it
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: was tough.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: It was like a mirror. It was two very identical teams.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: You know, we win game one, they come back and win.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: You know, we go to their place, get the first win.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: It's back, it's back to one our favor.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: We had home court. They won the next two.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: In Game five, Kobe scored twenty five straight points and
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just in all you know, we in a finals
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: and I'm just like, for about full five possessions. I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: just like, you know, this dude is incredible. In my head,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I'm not even focused on the game. I'm just like,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is incredible. This dude got all our points.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to win the title and he's doing it
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: without our help. We's playing defense, but he's pretty much
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: doing it all himself. We lose the game and then
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: he was down three two, and then Phil Jackson came
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: to me and was like, I need you to get buckets.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: He said, I need you to score, and I was
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: like really, And I did not expect to hear that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: My mindset would just work. Then I came out.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: I had four points in the prior game four, then two,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: then in game six, I get eighteens in game twenty,
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I mean game seven after twenty you know. So I
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: was like, he gave me that extra confidence, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: to put the ball in the basket. I'm like, yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I've been waiting.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: For you to tell me. Yeah. But it was an
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: incredible run.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: You really kept your jersey on that whole day.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. It was crazy. I won my first title.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I was involved.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: It was a different feeling because I'm like, oh my goodness,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I had a big game.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: You know. It's like, you know, so everything was complete.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: I had a great individual career. I got a Defensive
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Player of the Year. I was trying to get MVP
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: that didn't happen. Now I got my table. I've been
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: an All Star once, so I'm happy. I'm content, you know.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: And then I'm like, damn, I just think I kept
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: my I kept my finger tape on.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to take nothing off. I kept my
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I went out.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: We partied it too. I went out everywhere I was.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I was like seven different clubs. I ended up in
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: the studio with dre performing Champions Recording Champions Part two.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Blowing it down. That was the end of my night.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: It was wild.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Then I gave Chris Brown my jersey because I was
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: just so excited. And then I was super exciting Chris
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Brown was and he was there. He was like, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: let me get that jersey. And I was like, damn,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: you really want my jersey?
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, you can have it back now.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I was like, just don't lose it, you know, I
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: just don't lose it, Like this is important to me.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: And to this day, I'm somebody went to his house
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: and he got he still got the jersey.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: I was just so happy that, you know, that jersey.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: It meant something to me. And for somebody like him
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: in his prime to ask for it, I'm like, hell.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is Paul Pierce up there in like one
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: of your top matchup.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: He ain't your top five so.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Far as opponents, Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Paul Weather the stone
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: because I was he could have folded, he could have
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: folded the amount of pressure I was putting on him. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: every minute, every game he could he never felt he
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: never folded. You know, he had great games against me,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: and I had great defensive games against him, offensive games also.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: So he's definitely one of my toughest opponents. Yeah, he's tough,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: he's clutch.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You had one of my favorite players under ten points
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: before too. I was upset which one was Mellow Man
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: car Mellow.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I love Mellow, Mellow, mellows tough, Mello, I love Mellow.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Was I had to give one hundred against Metal. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: couldn't take a I couldn't take a breather. So if
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: you go out to the club against me, you asking
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: to not score, you can't go out. Yeah, so I
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: don't know what he was doing on some of those nights, you.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Know outside, I wait, what scene was you on when
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: he was when.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You pacers man all the prices when this happened.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But one time, you know, Mellow, I thought that, obviously
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: he's a great player. I thought he could have worked
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: a little harder to get in shape. He did at
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: the end of his career. If you notice, at the
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: end of his career he was he was hustling. I thought,
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: if you would have put that to in the beginning
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: of his career, he would have been a different player.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: But he was just scoring the ball so easy. But
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: you know, it made it easier for me. You know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: a guy like Lebron I wasn't ready for that. He's
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: in shape, you know what I mean. Well, he's in
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: shape could play. So if you was out of shape
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: a little bit, you know it was gonna be hard.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And that's crazy because one of the first one of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: his first games in the league was gets the Pacers.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: How was that like the first time you got to see,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: like play against him in person.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: He gave me twenty five. I remember the day clearly.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Twenty five was a lot twenty five in my prome.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: That was like thirty eight forty. And when he did that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: I was like, this kid, is nobody was scoring twenty five,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, go in the game and telling
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: somebody that average twenty five that they're not getting twenty five?
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You really going. He was like that, bro, he was
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: As we know, he's one of the people like even
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: we started to see it now with Steph like he's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: getting celebration now, but was like, we we're gonna really
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: miss Broun, Like we we put so much pressure on
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: him and he overcame all that stuff. But it's just
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: like y'all don't know, like he came into the league
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: and has dominated every since. We've not seen somebody step
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: into the league and dominate all the way through.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: All the way through.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Who was an underrated who was an underrated player? That
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: right spoke on them? People know that gave you buckers
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that you.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Secretly true, It's like that's true true.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: There's people that can you know, can say I scored
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: on you a lot too, but they wasn't super stuff. Yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: you know, I would say some people out of my position,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: like a guy like Jamal Crawted, not really in my position.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: I'm too sixty. You know, he's you know, but I
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: have to guard him sometimes. You know, that tough. That
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: was tough because he going this way. That's my two
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: sixty shift in this way, one shift the other way.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: That's not easy. I gotta shift.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: He got the ball string too, that was with a
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: jump up facts, So he was always tough, you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Rip Hamilton, But even even lower level guys like this
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: guy's like for Sean Lendy, I don't know if you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: stupid clip we tapped in.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like guys like that nice
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: little bump fade.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: He was nice. Okay, he could definitely shoot that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Sure. Glenn Robinson big dog, big.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Dog was nice, bro definitely he Indiana dog. Nice.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: But I got a story. We was playing against you,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: was on the Knicks. You're a little older at this time,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: and uh, I got the ball and the isolation. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: had you in an ice situation and I waved somebody off.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: He said, what the fuck?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: He was older when I went by lady, wasn't I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: was like, that's he was.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: When I was with you, was with the Knicks.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: In Atlanta, he was a little older. Yeah, yeah, said
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: watch out. I was like Kyle was on the wing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: He came to cut and I was.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Like, watch yeah, rightfully.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: So I.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Got nervous for a second and I went by you
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and I kind of did a little layer and he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: started he kind of like started laughing.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I was still competing. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: didn't have it like I ended my career. But I
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: was with the with the Lakers playing at the Spurs
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: have Miniska surgery. Right, So I was supposed to be
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: out six weeks. I came back in five days, right,
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: So I go back in five days off miniska surgery.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Because it was our last season. Steve Nash was there,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Dwight Howell and Kobe just got hurt in Powers, so
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: I knew it was over and we we we just
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: limped into the playoffs, and I was like, this is
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: gonna be This is for sure the last time this
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: group was gonna be together. So I'm trying to play.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: You're gonna try to win it. My mind set is
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: always winning. Now, it wasn't gonna happen Spur swept us,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: but I wish I would have never did that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: That's that.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: That pretty much ended my career. So when I got
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: to New York, you know, it was it was it was.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: I was so happy to be in New York. So
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: my mind, We're gonna try to win it. You know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I'm talking myself into like I'm locking people up, but
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't even.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: That's what you heard.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: You heard somebody I was trying to talk itself into it.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: But I didn't have it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm tripping back to the league with
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: no found. He started laughing.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I remember. I remember I was playing against Jeremy Grant.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: There's two brothers, right, two of them from Philly.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: He was in Philly that I went up for a layup.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: He punched into my career. He's just punching. I'm like, damn,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: I shit is over.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: That was that moment.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I even been laughing, like, yo, I can't do it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: I'm trying. I got the rebound on right here. All
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: gotta do is lay it up. He jump get that
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: out of here. I'm like, damn, I shit over.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: But that's a real realization, like you said, like especially
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: for athletes like y'all been hooping your whole life.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: That's your job.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: So then when you get to that point, you kind
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: of like, all right, I gotta start thinking about what's next,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: think about what's Like even for you, you was just like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I ain't about to be no bed on the bitch.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I gotta figure out what's next for sure? How is that?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Like, miss Like you said, like as far as talking
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: about your mental health and stuff like that, people don't understand, Like,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and I've learned being around him a lot more and
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: talking to other people is like as an athlete. That
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: is your job. But those jobs typically retire at thirty.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: What do you do next? And a lot of people
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: have a hard time even getting to that question.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: It's true, It's true. It was tough for me too.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: I remember, you know, my last game is Stapleson. I
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: had a in the second half. I wasn't playing all season,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: but I would play one on one against Jamal Brandy.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I was just trying to stay ready, right, So I
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: wasn't I was mentoring, I was working them out. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: was training Julius, so I was working them out, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: when he was playing, I was I was competing. So
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, yo, Brandy, let's get this one on one.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: D Loo, let's get this one on one, Julius, Let's
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: get this.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: One on one.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: So I was trying to stay ready, you know. So
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: then my last game is Stable Center. I'm playing a lot.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: I knew, I knew I was done. I kind of
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: figured that this is gonna be my last year. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: scored zero in the first half. I get eighteen the
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: second half. So now he's in Golden State. So I'm like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: I just had eighteen the.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Second half, and I felt I was really I was
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: still good I'm still alright.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get fifteen
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: to night for sure. So the coach don't play me.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: You know, it's my last game.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: It's my last game. Yeah, I'm like, I played like
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: maybe ten minutes stuf like no way.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: So I walk off the court. I ain't say nothing
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: to like, you know, the players, Steph Wandre was just heated.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: So I walk up the court and stayed silent.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: But I'm gonna just replaying my career in my head,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: you know, and I'm grateful. I'm reminiscing. I'm like, what
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: a should have It was like so much we're playing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Did have a great time on a plane ride home though.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: It was my last plane ride.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: So we got twisted forty five minutes, baby, we got
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: twisted at forty five minutes, me and Nick Young.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: So the rookies like me and my god swaggy.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Right, so you know, they gave me one of the
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: greatest you know, playing rides home. You know what I mean,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: because I was just like, you know, all the rookies
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: this day, they've been really cool. I wake up the
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: next day and I'm just super depressed and I'm like, damn,
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do? I know this is over right,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: And then the next day I applied for school. Man,
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: I applied for school at UCLA. I was just replaying
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: everything in my head. And I like to make decisions quick.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: I don't be I don't like to have time to wait.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: So I was like, all right, I replayed everything. All right,
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: we were out here, you know, and that was tough,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: even though it's what I'm doing to this day. Seven years,
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: eight years later, you know, I went back to school
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: for digital analytics, bitness analytics, coding, all the stuff that
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: we're with sports can affect the outcome of success, you know.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: But it was.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: About four years, you know, where I was like, damn,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: this is tough.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Like I'm really not doing I'm not playing defense.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm master defense, But how am I going
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: to master someone else where? So many people tell you can't,
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: you know, but I believe that if you put your
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: mind as an athlete, if you put your mind or something,
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't have to be in a box.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: You know, just because you're not balling, you know, walking
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: like a ballplayer, you might not be walking like.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: A ballplayer anymore. But you got someone else you bring
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: to the table.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: You know you you're good because your passion you could
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: put You could have put your passion anywhere, absolutely, you
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. So when I said, okay, I'm
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: downside my life, you know, I'm not gonna I don't
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: want to be in the limelight. I'm gonna be content.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: I'm a stricter. So that was that was my personal journey,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: you know. And everybody got different jurneys, some people commentating,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: some people coaching, but that those options not available for everybody.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not everybody.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: It's not available for everybody. So I didn't want to
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: leave that the chance. So I was an architect major
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: coming out of college with people people don't know, but damn,
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: you know. So my first major was architecture. I had
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: letters from Princeton. But I was also going through a lot,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I was like my
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: whole my mom was clouded. But when I when I said, damn,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: I was an architect, I said I could do anything
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I wanted to.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: And when I'm thought.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: About it, that's I said I would go back to school.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be comfortable. So I went back to school
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: and just did do what I had to do.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Good Shore, like you said that passion.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Like we got so many black entrepreneurs that don't come
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: from traditional backgrounds, but the things that they went through,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: that adversity, it's easy to put it somewhere else because
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you already went through so much Like now this is
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: kind of easy. I get to just use what I
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: already got to do what I want to do. Absolutely, man,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: we appreciate you sliding, man. Please tell the people what
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you got going on.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Man, Yo, mean, thanks for me.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: You know, we love when they told me, nowtown find
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: intment on that, I'm like, Yo, I was.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, my family's here, so it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: definitely great to be here. We we love Indiana. But yeah,
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: so basically I'm just like raising the family. I'm coaching
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: girls as if. I'm a volunteer coach at Cal State
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: of LA. So I've been doing that for five been
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: coaching girls for nine years. I was coaching while I
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: was in the NBA. After practice, I was going to
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: coach my girls with the same coach. In the last
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: five years, we've been at Cal State of LA coaching
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: coaching women's basketball. Last year we went to the NCAA
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Tournament for the first time in twelve years they do
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: and this year they had us ranked number one. We
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: had a rough start, but it's just incredible. It's my
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: favorite thing I'm doing, you know right now. But the businesses,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm building my business, which is like, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: I have to do that. But you know, coaching girls
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: is coaching women's basketball is gre and you know, building
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: my agency is great and different things like that. But
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: other than that, I just want to say thanks for
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: having men.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I love seeing you back doing stuff with the Pacers
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: because we need that twenty three up. We gotta keep
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it real. You want the most important players ever walking
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: them doors.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: But I told I told the Pacers I want to
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: I want to see them win a title. We have
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: a different history that a lot of people don't hear
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: the conversations that between the individuals, you know, because it
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: was just a lot of wounds. That's that was what
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I was open. That's being healed, you know from the
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: fans and the executives. But from that perspective, seeing a
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: ring come here in Indiana with me in the world,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: that's what I want to see even though I'm definitely
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: laking for life, love for New York, definitely want to
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: see New York on one day too, But you know
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: that one coming ahead. When it comes, I'm gonna feel
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: like it's mine. And all the players feel the same way, Jamaine, everybody.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: When that ring come here, we're gonna be just as
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: proud as if. We can't wait because we knew we
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: had the opportunity to bring it to the city, you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: and we feel like that was our fault, that was
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: our bad. You know, Reggie don't got a ring. You know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: that was all bad. So we just can't wait till
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: this team just keep building. So you know, we're supporting
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: the Cases all day.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Look, we appreciate you, man, Life Share subscribe all that
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: good ship. Will be back next week Club for our
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