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Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  I remember jokingly putting a baseball glove on engineer Wade
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  childresses head and that was the birth of Lando Calrissian's
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  design. When you look at the helmet you
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  will see a baseball club. Oh my gosh.
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  Yeah, that's so true. I'm never gonna be able to Unsee
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  this. Right.
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  Hello, and welcome to the Art of Costume podcast.
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  I'm Vitro Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams.
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  Elizabeth, how are thou? I I am doing OK finished up with
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  Cinderella and now I'm just trying to figure out what to do
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  next. I mean, the audience typically
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  doesn't know when we do or do not record, but tonight is an
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  unusual evening because, well, it's, it's evening.
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  So that's why we usually. Don't.
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  That's when I could catch Elizabeth was past her bedtime,
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  so we're doing a pajama party type recording tonight.
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  Yeah, it's nice. It's extremely exciting right
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  now. Like, I don't mind being up late
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  right now, 'cause in Pennsylvania we apparently
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  decided to skip spring this year, and we went from, like,
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  cold to hot, so it was like 80° today.
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  I wore shorts for the first time this year.
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  It was very exciting. So I'm like I'm kind of OK being
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  up this late since I'm not freezing.
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  Yeah, I mean, kind of same here. I think we just skipped spring,
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  which is kind of a bummer because that means it's now
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  summertime and night fingers seem just like the summer.
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  So I got my hair cut today, basically shaved my head bald.
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  I started going to the gym, unfortunately going on walks
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  once again. So I guess, I guess it's this is
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  it. It's time.
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  The clouds aren't protecting me anymore.
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  It is time I have to start doing Hot Girl Walks.
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  I should do. That for myself, there's AI.
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  Just realized how weird this sounds.
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  But on the East Coast, it's. I feel like it's not as weird,
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  but there's like on my way home from work, there's like a
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  revolutionary battlefield, but they kind of turned into a park
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  and it's like only open during the spring and summer.
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  And I'm like, I should just stop there on my way home and like,
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  do my walks there. Do some walks, practice some
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  Civil War reenactment. Revolutionary War.
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  Oh, Revolutionary War. Shoot some cannons.
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  Yeah, catch up on my history. Read a book.
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  No, I'm just sitting here watching Bridgerton again,
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  though, not not doing anything active.
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  Elizabeth is getting prepared, which is what we all need to be
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  doing. A lot of sequels or the requels
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  are coming out to our favorite show soon.
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  I need to get back into the House of the Dragon again.
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  Well, that's what. That's the other thing I need to
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  rewatch. Yeah, that's.
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  Right. House of Dragon, Bridgerton.
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  I'm sure there's something else I'm missing, but it's the the
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  season of of sad romance, I guess, between these dragon
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  families and these fancy Bridgerton families.
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  That's coming, Bridgerton families.
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  I'm doubling down on my opinion that the Viscount is Bridgerton
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  is a bad mom. Just so you know, in this
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  upcoming season, I'm doubling down on that opinion after this
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  rewatch. Oh no.
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  Well, we'll have to talk about when we inevitably talk about
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  Bridgerton Season 3 on this podcast at some point.
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  I mean, they were just. How can we not?
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  It's just unavoidable at this point.
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  Speaking of being unavoidable, Elizabeth Happy May the 4th.
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  Happy May the 4th. Or third, I'm not sure what day
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  this podcast is coming out, but it is.
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  I think we've. Actually already passed the 4th
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  by the time this came out. Yes, it will be May 7th.
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  So I hope you had a lovely May the 4th.
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  I hope the 4th is good to you. Today is the 7th, but I mean
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  honestly, on this podcast we typically celebrate Star Wars
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  all month long. Not doing that this time, but
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  pack it all in in those past couple days and maybe tomorrow
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  as well. Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
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  And I am so excited because Spencer today we have come to
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  the end of the first Star Wars trilogy.
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  Wow. This week we watched Return of
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  the Jedi. Yeah, this is exciting.
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  We we set out, if you're all new to the podcast, for every year
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  for May the 4th or approximately May the 4th, we have been
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  watching one of the original Star Wars trilogy films and now
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  we're wrapping it up. And I'm just proud of us for
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  sticking to it because it's a it's a three-year commitment and
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  you know, I typically don't stay committed to anything for three
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  years, so. Yeah.
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  I'm excited to talk about Star Wars, and I love this film in
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  particular. I think it's between this and
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  Empire Strikes Back. I mean, there are my two
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  favorite Star Wars films, I believe, and just so much good
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  stuff in this one. I think especially this one,
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  like it really. There's so much in terms of
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  costume design. It really just.
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  I feel, I feel like it just kind of explodes in this movie.
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  Like there's so much like by the by the third Star Wars movie, it
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  was so wildly successful that they had the budget to do really
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  incredible things. I was, I was talking to, I was
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  texting Spencer earlier. I was like, I cannot fit
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  everything into this slide. Like what do you think we should
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  be focusing on? So we we really had to narrow it
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  down, 'cause there was just so much in this movie.
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  There is clearly. I mean, the films were so
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  successful, as you said, and I think by the time they got to
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  this third film, they knew what the fans liked, maybe what they
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  didn't like. And I just feel like they could
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  really just have fun with this ending.
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  And a lot of that I would say comes from the Java Jabba's
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  palace scenes. But they really, like you said.
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  It really is like an explosion of all these different costumes,
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  colors. They really have fun with it,
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  especially in the first half, so I'm excited to get into it.
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  There's a lot to get to. I know Elizabeth is sitting on
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  her Star Wars Bible of costumes, so I'm ready to get into it.
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  So I'll just hop to a a summary that Elizabeth was kind enough
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  to write for me also. She's really.
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  Been. Just working away on this
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  episode for a minute. In the epic conclusion to George
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  Lucas's original Star Wars trilogy, Luke Skywalker must
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  embrace his role as a Jedi and face the challenge of trying to
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  save his father from the dark side while fighting alongside a
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  Rebel forces to overthrow the Empire once and for all.
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  And that is Star Wars Return of the Jedi.
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  It is. If you haven't seen it, go watch
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  it. You can find it fairly easily.
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  I actually don't trust people that are like, I've never seen a
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  Star Wars movie. I'm like, get out of my face.
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  I don't know what you're doing. I don't care if you don't like
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  it, you gotta watch it at least once.
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  Yeah, I will say, like, maybe not any of the other Star Wars
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  films, as good as they are, but you gotta at least watch the
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  original trilogy. There's like, like, I don't
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  know. There's so much culture, so much
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  culturally, like built around them, so many, like, jokes.
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  And like, it's I yeah, I always find it kind of strange when
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  someone's like, Oh no, never. Yeah, it's it's just weird.
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  You might think we're the weird ones of a podcast talking about
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  costumes. You're the weird one for not
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  watching Star Wars. Honestly, for being honest here.
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  But but I digress. Elizabeth, take it away.
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  Let us go behind the costumes. We have creator and producer
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  George Lucas, director Richard Marquand, and costume designers
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  our friend Aggie Rogers and Nilo Rhodes Jamero, which I did not
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  realize that there were two costume designers on this.
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  I had. No idea.
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  Yeah, till the other day I did like something in the back of my
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  head was like, I feel like I heard that somewhere, but I
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  really didn't know it till I started doing my research.
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  And once again, all of our information is gonna be from
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  Star Wars Costumes, the original trilogy by Brandon Angler.
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  So if you want even more information than what we are
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  about to give you, 'cause it is a very small amount of
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  information, get the book. It is incredible.
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  There's beautiful photos of the costumes you you cannot see
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  anywhere else. Very hard to find, even in
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  today's wild Internet where you can find almost anything.
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  I've seen very little of the photos in these books on the
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  Internet, so. I gotta.
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  I gotta get a copy. You do everyone go grab it and
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  let's just talk about some of the notable work of our two
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  costume designers. First, Nylo.
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  Not a lot of costume design credits to his name aside from
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  The Return of the Jedi. His other notable costume design
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  work is for the 5th Star Trek movie The Final Frontier.
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  However, he has done a lot in visual effects including The
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  Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Last Ark, Poltergeist, the
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  3rd and 4th Star Trek movies, and Tim Burton's Alice in
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  Wonderland. So he is an incredible artist
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  and I I it was so fun to learn about his contributions to
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  costume design. Yeah, that's so many great
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  titles. Yeah, I should have.
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  I don't know how I never knew this, but that's really
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  exciting, right? Because especially it really
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  shows that Nylo brought the visual effects side, you know,
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  to this film, which really there's a lot of different
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  visual effects to Return to Jedi.
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  So I definitely see the need. Oh yeah, you will definitely
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  know some of Aggie Roger's works.
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  Notable work starting with American Graffiti 1 Flew Over
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  the Cuckoo's Nest, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Spencer's Favorite,
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  The Color Purple from 1985, for which she got an Oscar
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  nomination. The Witches of Eastwick
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  Beetlejuice Holes Rent, for which she got a Costume Designer
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  Guild Award, and in 2015 the Costume Designers Guild awarded
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  her with the Career Achievement Award, because if you don't know
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  her work, you've clearly been living under a rock or
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  something. Yeah, I mean, everyone who's
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  listened to her podcast already knows how I feel about Aggie
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  Rogers. I think she's just one of the
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  greats. I absolutely love her to death.
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  I'm so blessed and honored to have had her on the podcast last
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  year during our spooky season, which we'll talk about again in
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  a little bit. But really, after this episode,
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  I really ask you, please go back to that episode from last season
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  because she really is just one of the greats.
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  And Aggie, I know you're probably listening.
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  We love you. Absolutely.
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  And let's get into a little bit of the history, starting with
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  Nilo was originally brought onto the film as a concept artist,
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  but moved into the costume department as he was work
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  working on storyboards with Richard, he said.
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  I paid a lot of attention to costumes when I was doing my
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  work because Richard was correcting costumes as he would
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  look at the sequences. I wanted to learn costume design
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  because I was already doing it and it seemed like a natural
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  extension of the assignment that I was given.
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  In one ILM meeting, Richard took me by surprise and suggested to
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  George that I do costume design. So this was not originally what
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  he was after, but through working on the storyboards he
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  was like this, like I'm designing the costumes.
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  Like would love to learn more about this and the director
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  agreed that he would be a great contribution to the costume
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  design department. And around the same time,
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  producer Jim Bloom suggested Aggie Rogers join the costume
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  design team to bring her expertise and experience to the
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  movie. And like you said earlier,
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  Spencer, you had the opportunity last year to interview Aggie and
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  she had quite a bit to say about her time on Star Wars, which I
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  think we should listen to right now.
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  That is a lovely idea, Elizabeth.
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  I'm excited to hear from Aggie and after we play that clip for
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  you, we're going to go right into Break and Ran on the other
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  side. We are going to get into this
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  episode. Elizabeth has a lot in store for
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  us, so let's get into it. Oh yes, I do.
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  Later on when I did Jedi for George, my budget was 800,000,
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  so it's a little. Different.
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  Yeah, definitely a little bit of a different number there.
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  That's it. So let's maybe dive into some of
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  your works, if you don't mind. There's so many great ones.
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  I'm only going to pick a handful.
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  And we could talk about some stories from these films.
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  So you talked about your collaboration with George Lucas,
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  and so happens it happens once again a few years later when you
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  do Star Wars Return of the Jedi and this film.
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  I mean, I'm a big Star Wars fan, but this one is full of just
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  iconic costumes from Luke Skywalker's new look.
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  Jabba's Palace is full of great costumes, Princess Leia's risque
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  costume that everyone knows. So there's so many fun costumes
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  here. What was it like working again
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  with George Lucas and getting into the Star Wars universe?
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  Oh, I tell you. Well, I had only just recently
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  had my first child James, who now is a Barry Jenkins DP and
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  works all the time and we don't have to worry about him anymore.
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  But. This is him up on the far left.
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  I have a little babysitting on my lap.
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  That's him. So I drove everybody crazy in
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  the shop because I took my kid to work every day.
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  Oh my God. But.
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  I mean, he was on a set of Star Wars, so how cool.
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  Oh, totally. And so when we went to England,
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  of course he went and my husband went, and my husband would come
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  with me every day at work, but he would just wander around the
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  stages and sit in all the sets and watch how everybody was
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  really not having tea. They were all in the back
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  gambling and shit like that. Anyway, we had a great time.
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  Of course they treated me just very sweetly and you know,
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  because really when I got hired one of the producers here, Jim
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  Bloom, who really, I owe lots of my career too.
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  But then I he owes me his career too because I put up with him.
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  He was AAD on a lot of things and he called me up and he said,
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  well, I'm doing this another Star Wars movie, and I'm
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  wondering if you'd like to come in and just design the clothes
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  for the monsters. And I said, well, I don't know
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  what that means. He said, well, you know, there's
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  a bunch of monsters in the movie and they in the art department
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  makes the little maquettes and they'll give you a maquette.
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  And then you just realize the costume from that.
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  I said well yeah, OK. But you know, I just had my kids
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  and I'm still nursing and I'll bring that kid to work with you.
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  That's what I did. I just brought him to work and
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  nursed him and put him back in his trolley and he would wander
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  all around and then pretty soon, couple of weeks in, then there
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  is started in on what could you just do these costumes for this
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  other section? And then we just stayed, so a
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  year later, pretty thrilling. But you know, when you have just
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  had a baby, you shouldn't do jobs that are that critical
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  because I used to sit in these production meetings and I'd be
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  so confused, I'd have to say, look, I don't even know what
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  planet we're on. What planet are we on?
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  Literally, what planet are we on I?
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  Said Where are we? And you know, I didn't really
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  know. I'd seen the first Star Wars, of
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  course, but I didn't know what I was doing.
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  I didn't know anything about this genre or any of it.
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  We all had a wonderful time working on it.
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  The film though, We had a big warehouse full of 25 stitchers
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  and crafts artists and jeez Louise was really amazing.
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  Wow. I mean, it came out beautifully.
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  And especially for not having, you know, only seeing the first
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  Star Wars and just kind of making it work with what you've
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  gone through with to Simon, your son at the time.
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  I mean, it's amazing. Well, George used to come to my
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  office every night at about 5:30 because I when I can't, agreed.
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  I said, well, I have to leave the office at six.
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  So my husband gets to see his kid.
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  And so I would leave every day at 6:00, but he'd come by for a
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  little while before I left. And he'd kind of tell me what
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  was on his mind, what what he was up to.
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  And he'd say things like, get that let's Star Wars book down,
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  get that book down. And I'd get down one of the
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  research books. He'd say, OK, go to 1/1/21.
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  I'd open up 121. He'd say, see all these guys on
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  the right. We need 150 of them.
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  Oh boy. I said.
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  OK, where are they? OK, the the it's all in in
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  England. Just call up Ron Beck, who was
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  our supervisor in England, and talk to him.
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  So the next day I'd come into work early.
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  And call up Ron. Beck and I'd say, OK, get that.
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  That Star Wars book down 121. See those on the right?
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  We need 150 of those. It's OK.
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  So he'd go find the molds wherever they were and he'd have
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  them made-up. So it's not like I knew
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  everything that was going on. I'm telling you, not up here.
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  Really, such a group effort you can't imagine?
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  Elizabeth. Are you ready to get into the
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  Return of the Jedi? Absolutely, especially since it
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  begins with this incredible Princess Leia costume.
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  I love the Jabba the Hutt scenes.
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  This is my favorite part of the entire movie.
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  It's just the entire Jabba the Hutt sequence.
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  I know they do lots of heroic stuff later on in the film, but
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  I think just a creme de la creme of the movie is Jabba the Hutt's
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  palace and Princess Leia and this almost kind of ridiculous
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  bounty hunter costume. Absolutely.
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  And this, along with Lando Calrissian's disguise, are two
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  of Aggie Rogers favorite costumes from the movie, she
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  said. They're so 1980s.
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  There are so many liars, tons of accessories, it's ridiculous.
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  Which? Absolutely it is.
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  Ridiculous. I think that's almost why
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  everyone kind of like cops, what's going on here?
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  A little bit. They're like, who is this Joker?
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  And it's just, you know, Princess Leia kind of waltzing
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  in and it's like like something's off about this, just
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  trying to save. My boyfriend don't worry about
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  it. But it is.
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  This is such like an iconic costume and helmet.
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  Like, I I could pick this out of a police lineup.
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  It's just so recognizable. The shape, it's interesting
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  because you the whole time you're guessing like, oh, is it
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  like some sort of strange alien, maybe with like a big beak?
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  Like, what's what's happening here?
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  It's so odd and I love it. Yeah.
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  I definitely, this is like one of the weird memories I have as
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  a kid. It must have been from like one
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  of my first times watching this movie, just being like, really
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  confused about like who is this character in this movie and then
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  being shocked that it was Princess Leia every time.
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  I'd be shocked every time. And this Vertejira look was
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  designed by Joe Johnson. Using an off the shelf model kit
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  and just materials from around the art department, he created
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  miniatures of what he thought Leia's bounty hunter disguise
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  should be and didn't even make a sketch till he was done the
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  model. Then he was like, oh, I should
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  probably do that. And he created the final costume
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  in conjunction with Rogers and Nylo's team.
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  And it is a really, They create a really beautiful suede kimono
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  and leather pants and a monk's cloth little like half caplet,
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  which when you look at the the photos in the book, you're like,
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  Oh my gosh, this is gorgeous like and then on screen it just
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  looks so dirty, right? Right.
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  This is why I love this podcast is because I've never looked at
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  this costume and actually looked at the details of the way it's
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  built. And it actually is a quite
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  beautiful costume in like the structure of the kimono compared
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  to like the illustration they have.
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  It is quite interesting if you just kind of sit there and look
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  at it and not be distracted by what's happening in the helmet.
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  But the, you know, neck down is stunning, yeah.
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  And it's like, you look at that and you're not thinking like,
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  oh, that's probably like a really expensive suede.
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  You're just like, why? Like, why is Princess Leia so
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  dirty? Like, what is happening here?
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  Another what is happening here? Moment is Lando Calrissian's
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  disguise as one of Jabba the Hutt's guards.
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  The original inspiration for this look was Roman gladiators,
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  but the most unique part of this costume was the helmet designed
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  by Nilo. And he talked about the
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  unexpected inspiration for the design.
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  Saying, I remember every Friday afternoon we used to run off to
• 25:02
  the ranch and we would play baseball.
• 25:05
  I remember jokingly putting a baseball glove on engineer Wade
• 25:10
  child dresses head and that was the birth of Lando Calrissian's
• 25:15
  design. When you look at the helmet you
• 25:19
  will see a baseball glove. Oh.
• 25:21
  My gosh, yeah, that's so true. I'm never gonna be able to Unsee
• 25:24
  this, right? And like I was like looking up
• 25:28
  photos before I even like looked at the book and I found this
• 25:33
  image online that shows like they must be Polaroid pictures
• 25:38
  from like behind the scenes of a baseball cap on somebody's head
• 25:43
  with like little like markings of how it should be altered for
• 25:48
  the final design. Funny, I love it.
• 25:52
  And it's so true. I don't know why, 'cause I used
• 25:54
  to play, you know, like Little League baseball growing up.
• 25:57
  Why would we always put our baseball gloves on our heads?
• 26:00
  I don't know. They're head shaped.
• 26:02
  It's just it's head shaped. It's a comfortable place to put
• 26:05
  it after a long game of, you know, failing at baseball like I
• 26:09
  used to do. So put that, put that glove on
• 26:12
  your head. And now you're Lando Calrissian.
• 26:14
  So maybe I was onto something, too.
• 26:16
  I love it. You were?
• 26:18
  You were. And I I just.
• 26:21
  I love that it's such a weird inspiration.
• 26:23
  You still also can kind of see like the gladiator inspiration
• 26:26
  too, which I love, 'cause I I feel like that's very like Lando
• 26:31
  Calrissian, but it's just such a unique look for.
• 26:36
  I mean, just like the whole of Jabba the Hutt is a unique look
• 26:40
  from character to character, including Bib Fortuna.
• 26:46
  Oh, I'm not this guy. Yes, I hate this guy.
• 26:52
  He's not. A great guy, but Nilo found some
• 26:56
  really unique inspiration for him in a National Geographic
• 27:00
  article about the indigenous people of Borne, Nilo said of
• 27:07
  the inspiration. Inspiration is everything
• 27:10
  because it's a springboard to get you somewhere, even if it
• 27:14
  doesn't really mean that's how the design is going to end,
• 27:18
  which I looked up this article after was, you know, he
• 27:24
  mentioned it and I was like, what?
• 27:26
  And I found pictures and I was like, how like how did you get
• 27:31
  your inspiration from that? But then I was really looking at
• 27:35
  it and he has this like kind of like rigid, like lined, kind of
• 27:41
  like underskirt. And it's like, that is exactly
• 27:46
  like what they're wearing in the pictures.
• 27:50
  And it's like just that little inspiration turned into
• 27:53
  something completely different, which I'm like, that's wild.
• 27:56
  Mm hmm. Yeah, I I was staring at this
• 27:59
  whole time where you're reading the quote and I was like, where
• 28:01
  is it? And it is very much like a
• 28:03
  layered structural element that he borrowed in terms of his
• 28:06
  inspiration, where you see like kind of like, gosh, I know how
• 28:12
  to describe it, but just like the ribbing of it then becomes
• 28:15
  like a solid again and then you see like more draping, more
• 28:19
  ribbing. So it is like very much like a
• 28:21
  structural component to it. And again, that's something that
• 28:24
  you don't even really like pick up on when you're watching
• 28:27
  Return of the Jedi, which is why I think costumes are just so
• 28:30
  great, because it just really makes the whole experience feel
• 28:33
  immersive. And to the characters are
• 28:35
  playing, I mean, imagine playing this Bib Fortuna character and
• 28:38
  just having to get into this costume and really have to
• 28:40
  understand what this guy is about.
• 28:43
  And the costume really helps them become this alien form.
• 28:48
  So, you know, it's it's really exciting.
• 28:50
  Absolutely. Especially considering he
• 28:53
  created this costume to have many layers to conceal the form
• 28:59
  of the actor and highlight the deceptive personality of this
• 29:05
  character. Because he doesn't have a lot of
• 29:08
  lines or screen time, but he makes such a big impact that he
• 29:12
  shows up in later Star Wars projects.
• 29:17
  And. It's just so cool, especially
• 29:20
  this little part where, you know, cross communication
• 29:23
  between departments is so important.
• 29:25
  He found out that all these scenes were going to be shot in
• 29:28
  pretty low lighting, so he chose that turquoise blue for his
• 29:34
  costume so that it would catch the light without adding too
• 29:37
  much detail, right? Oh yeah, that's interesting too,
• 29:42
  'cause he couldn't look too flashy next to Jabba the Hutt.
• 29:45
  Jabba would be pissed, but he. Has to stand out, Yeah.
• 29:51
  Who wasn't exactly standing out at first?
• 29:54
  Was Luke Skywalker in his new look?
• 29:59
  Yeah, one of. My favorite costumes, I must
• 30:01
  say. Absolutely, and, Rodger said of
• 30:07
  Lucas's vision for Luke in the third film.
• 30:12
  Was he good or bad? He's in black.
• 30:16
  All black. That's a George thing, because
• 30:22
  Lucas wanted comparisons to be drawn between Luke and Darth
• 30:26
  Vader. He wanted speculation about
• 30:28
  whether or not Luke would follow in his father's footsteps.
• 30:32
  So in addition to this, Rodgers and Nylo were tasked with
• 30:37
  showing how far Luke had come from the first film.
• 30:41
  Nylo said to me the costume design assignment was how does
• 30:47
  one make Luke more mature? That was my design brief from
• 30:52
  the very beginning. Which, like, yeah, Luke is not a
• 30:56
  farm boy anymore. Yeah, it's.
• 30:59
  Almost like it's not jarring, but just seeing him show up in
• 31:02
  that very black put together. Look, OK, this guy has really
• 31:06
  been doing some training over the past couple of months.
• 31:09
  He's, you know, he's here on business.
• 31:12
  And I just, I'm also just thinking back to our Dune
• 31:15
  episode 2 and we were talking about the Paul Tradies look and
• 31:18
  This is why that Paul trades like was so confusing too when
• 31:21
  he's walking in the hood because it's very much like the same
• 31:25
  idea like Luke's walking in the hood.
• 31:26
  And again, you're like, OK, this is giving like Palpatine Vader
• 31:30
  vibes, but is he good or is he bad?
• 31:32
  I can't tell. And that scene where like he
• 31:35
  comes through the door in this cloak and hood.
• 31:38
  George very much wanted that to echo when we first see Darth
• 31:42
  Vader in the first film coming through that door in his cloak,
• 31:46
  and like he wanted that same energy.
• 31:50
  However, along with the influence of his father being a
• 31:54
  parent in Luke's costume, he also wanted Ben Kenobi's
• 31:58
  influence present in the raw silk kimono he wears over his
• 32:03
  pants and shirt and the cloak he first appears in.
• 32:07
  It's the same cut as Kenobi's. Luke's cloak is the only element
• 32:13
  of his costume that's not black and meant to symbolize Luke's
• 32:18
  growth. Which I'm like.
• 32:21
  That's, yeah. He's like, he doesn't wear
• 32:25
  anything like this before, Yeah. It's it's total left field.
• 32:30
  He went to the All Black store before he went to Jabba's
• 32:33
  Palace, and I found the best outfit.
• 32:35
  Whenever I play Star Wars Battlefront, I always pick this
• 32:38
  Luke Skywalker and a black look, like that's that's who I play as
• 32:42
  if I'm gonna pick a Luke Skywalker that tracks.
• 32:46
  Yeah, that tracks for you. Yeah, it's.
• 32:49
  It's. Such a great costume because
• 32:51
  they there really wasn't a summit where they had to do so
• 32:54
  much with so little, You know, like they just had to, like they
• 33:00
  had to explain this time jump very particularly.
• 33:03
  And they just did so with, like, the way he walked, the color and
• 33:07
  just like the fabrics and textiles, and they were able to
• 33:09
  convey that message perfectly. Absolutely.
• 33:13
  And the director, Richard said of this cloaked entrance.
• 33:21
  George had the brilliant idea of having Luke dressed in his
• 33:24
  cloak, which we associate with Kenobi, so he wouldn't come in
• 33:28
  as this young Jedi. He would come in as a slightly
• 33:31
  mysterious character, which was terrific.
• 33:34
  Yeah. So it's like, which I'm also
• 33:38
  like now that he says that I'm like, oh wait, that also reminds
• 33:41
  me of when we first see Ben Kenobi And he he's like
• 33:46
  wandering in the desert with his head his.
• 33:50
  Waving his arms back and forth for some reason, scaring them.
• 33:55
  All which is like this is just such a brilliant weaving of
• 34:02
  every major individual that has that is having an impact on
• 34:06
  Luke's life in that very moment. Oh, that's.
• 34:10
  The good stuff right there? Absolutely.
• 34:14
  And then we have something. Oh man, a little.
• 34:18
  Maybe a little less mature, but also very mature.
• 34:22
  I'm kind of nervous to talk about this costume we have.
• 34:26
  Come to Leah Dancer, look the the.
• 34:32
  Controversial costume of To rule them all, I would say.
• 34:36
  I mean, if there was a Museum of controversial costumes, this
• 34:39
  would be like the center exhibition.
• 34:41
  I think it. Would be like on the poster.
• 34:45
  Advertising. That museum.
• 34:50
  So let's let's. Give it a go.
• 34:51
  Yeah, well. At the time when this idea was
• 34:56
  presented to the group, the entire production staff was on
• 35:00
  board with putting Leia in this dancer outfit.
• 35:06
  The only worry that George Lucas brought up brought up was
• 35:10
  whether or not Carrie Fisher would agree to wear something so
• 35:15
  revealing. I'm glad.
• 35:17
  That they brought that up and they're like, I wonder if you
• 35:21
  might disagree with this decision.
• 35:24
  Anyone have any ideas? Yeah.
• 35:26
  No. It's like, in the book,
• 35:28
  everyone's like, Oh yeah, like, we were so excited.
• 35:29
  We thought this was a great idea.
• 35:30
  We thought this was a great idea.
• 35:32
  And then George Lucas was like, well, yeah, but like, is Carrie
• 35:37
  gonna be OK with that? Which, however, she did agree,
• 35:44
  and they went all in on the scandalous look, and the costume
• 35:52
  department turned to jeweler Richard Miller for the few
• 35:57
  pieces integral to the look, to which there was not much.
• 36:05
  And there was some fear that they were gonna have to do a
• 36:08
  body cast of Carrie Fisher, because this had to fit.
• 36:14
  It had to fit, however. Miller created prototypes out of
• 36:20
  wax so that they could just be easily molded to Fisher.
• 36:26
  Like, literally. They took it to her frozen.
• 36:29
  She put it on basically just like her body heat literally
• 36:33
  molded it to the shape it they needed and they just went off
• 36:38
  and created the final products, which I'm like that's that's
• 36:45
  wild that like they it was something like that simple that
• 36:51
  ended up working right. It's it's really taking a chance
• 36:56
  here, yeah. Oh yeah, 'cause Milo was talking
• 37:00
  in the book about, like how they were like tweaking it up to the
• 37:04
  very last moment, like literally on set, about to roll.
• 37:08
  And they were making adjustments because it was like so, so
• 37:14
  delicate. And he was, he was saying like
• 37:18
  if we could have put 15 or no, if they could have put 25 yards
• 37:22
  of fabric into her little belt, he was like, we would have and
• 37:29
  it would have looked amazing. But like mechanically, I don't
• 37:33
  think it ever could have supported the weight of 25
• 37:36
  yards. Of silk and.
• 37:41
  The main inspiration for her look was from the work of one of
• 37:48
  George's favorite fantasy illustrators, Frank Frazetta,
• 37:53
  and I'm pretty sure the inspiration comes from his
• 37:58
  illustration for The Princess of Mars.
• 38:00
  And if it doesn't, I don't know what else.
• 38:05
  They what other? Illustration they used for this
• 38:07
  inspiration, 'cause it looks pretty pretty spot on.
• 38:12
  I think that's. A pretty good assumption.
• 38:14
  We're looking at some pictures right here.
• 38:16
  Princess of Mars seems to be right on.
• 38:19
  Yeah, so I I love this costume, but I actually, we talked to
• 38:26
  Aggie Rogers about this costume quite a bit and I would love to
• 38:29
  just play a little clip from what Aggie had to say about it
• 38:33
  and then I'll tell you my thoughts absolutely.
• 38:35
  Let's hear it, Frank. Frazetta's drawings, which is
• 38:42
  really a curious bikini, is homage to Mr. Frazetta and you
• 38:50
  know, it's George is very kind and sent me a letter recently
• 38:54
  saying that that I have designed the most famous costume in the
• 39:00
  last 30 years. I think that's an exaggeration,
• 39:04
  but I try to tell it as much as possible.
• 39:06
  I would beg to differ. I don't think that's a complete
• 39:09
  exaggeration. It's it's definitely up there.
• 39:11
  At least it's definitely up. There.
• 39:14
  But, you know, it was designed by Jabba.
• 39:19
  Yeah. So, you know, it has to be a
• 39:21
  little lascivious. She was.
• 39:23
  Such a. Scumbag.
• 39:25
  Yeah. Anyway.
• 39:28
  Okay. Well, first of all, it was so
• 39:29
  nice to hear Aggies voice. Second of all, let's get to this
• 39:33
  costume. I get why this costume is
• 39:36
  controversial. It is risque.
• 39:40
  Revealing maybe a bit over the top wasn't necessary.
• 39:45
  You know, I think everyone could have the argument.
• 39:48
  And I'd be happy to have the argument because that's what
• 39:50
  this podcast is for. I mean, this is, this is our
• 39:53
  only room for controversy is absolutely this.
• 39:56
  Don't worry. We will get into the
• 39:58
  controversy, right? I think that, and I'm all about
• 40:03
  the story. I think costumes are about
• 40:05
  telling a story, helping us understand the character.
• 40:09
  This costume. I like what Aggie said about
• 40:12
  this costume was designed by Jabba the Hutt.
• 40:16
  Because. This it makes so much sense.
• 40:18
  I mean, Java the Hutt is a slimy scumbag, You know, Evil,
• 40:24
  mastermind, criminal, ugly. I mean, he's Java the Hutt.
• 40:30
  He's a skeez ball. So of course.
• 40:32
  He's a bad guy. So of course, when he has
• 40:36
  Princess Leia chained up next to him, he has her in the most
• 40:39
  revealing risque costume because that's what a nasty gangster mob
• 40:43
  boss would do in space. So to me, I think it just makes
• 40:48
  perfect sense. I get it's a bit over the top,
• 40:52
  but like he is over the top, he's a giant space lug.
• 40:57
  Ruling over? A criminal empire.
• 40:59
  Like it makes sense. Unless if unless Carrie said I
• 41:02
  hate this costume, I don't want to wear it, then fine, we'd get
• 41:06
  rid of it. But if she was down and everyone
• 41:08
  else was down, yes, then it it makes sense to me.
• 41:12
  Story wise, I absolutely agree with you.
• 41:15
  Yeah, like I really do. And while today this is quite
• 41:20
  the iconic piece, it took quite some time for this to become
• 41:27
  iconic because it was widely disliked when the movie first
• 41:33
  premiered, and the very first person to dislike it was Carrie
• 41:39
  Fisher herself. Wardrobe assistant Janice Lucas
• 41:44
  Wakely said She absolutely loathed and despised the bikini
• 41:49
  costume. She looked great in it, but it
• 41:52
  was not her scene at all. She was quite happy in her
• 41:56
  Princess dress and she was quite happy in her fighting gear, but
• 41:59
  she was not comfortable in the bikini, right?
• 42:04
  OK. Well, if if that's the case,
• 42:06
  then I I get it. And yeah, fair, like, yeah,
• 42:10
  that's very fair it looks. It does look super uncomfortable
• 42:14
  cause in the book some of the complaints that came in about
• 42:21
  the costume saying when that first came out, the mothers of
• 42:26
  Marin County and all around the world called into ILM and
• 42:31
  Lucasfilm and said that's a dirty thing, you shouldn't be
• 42:36
  showing that thing. Yeah, Which, again, I mean, I'm
• 42:42
  just like, that doesn't bother me, honestly.
• 42:45
  Like, again, this is what Jabba the Hutt wanted.
• 42:48
  It's dirty. And you're right, we shouldn't
• 42:50
  be showing this thing but the point.
• 42:53
  Again. If yeah, that's totally the
• 42:54
  point. Again, If Carrie Fisher was not
• 42:56
  comfortable in it, that's wrong and I'm against it for sure.
• 43:00
  But I don't really care what the mom's gone into Lucas from.
• 43:04
  How to say though 'cause? You're.
• 43:06
  Feeding into why I think the costume worked for a story flaw,
• 43:09
  right? Right.
• 43:10
  It's at these times also where I'm like you should not be
• 43:14
  relying on fictional media to be a representation to your
• 43:21
  children about how they should present themselves or how they
• 43:24
  should feel about their bodies. Like as a parent, like you
• 43:27
  should be reinforcing, like good habits and good mindsets for
• 43:33
  your children and not getting upset about a fictional Princess
• 43:37
  in a faraway Galaxy. I know.
• 43:39
  Come. On I mean this this whole, like,
• 43:41
  entire first half of the movie is utterly ridiculous on papers.
• 43:45
  So yeah, well, I don't really have much more to say about this
• 43:49
  costume. We've heard the controversy and
• 43:52
  I think everyone's thoughts matter on this.
• 43:54
  So please write in to us, send us the e-mail to
• 43:57
  ourcostume@gmail.com or leave it like leave us a voicemail.
• 44:01
  I want to hear your thoughts on this one.
• 44:03
  But if. If you care about this, how old
• 44:07
  is this movie? I don't.
• 44:10
  I can't do math. This is many.
• 44:11
  Decades old movie costume, but I like.
• 44:15
  What to finish, I like what Aggie says in that clip though,
• 44:19
  about how George Lucas called her and was like all these years
• 44:23
  later, I still think he created one of the most iconic costumes
• 44:27
  and George Lucas is 100% right about that.
• 44:31
  I mean, whether you hate it or not, it is one of the most
• 44:35
  iconic legendary costumes that's up there with the cluelesses and
• 44:39
  the, you know, Draculas or whatnot.
• 44:42
  Doesn't mean it's, you know, your favorite costume, but it is
• 44:46
  iconic status and it is what it is.
• 44:48
  It is what it. Is like it.
• 44:51
  It is a brilliant costume, it is a beautiful costume and it does
• 44:57
  what it needs to and that's what's important I think.
• 45:05
  Speaking of. Controversial characters though
• 45:10
  Spencer I think we should take a little look at the Empire.
• 45:14
  See see what they're up to. Oh my.
• 45:17
  Favorite My favorite little people are up to no good.
• 45:20
  They're up to. No good.
• 45:22
  Especially considering this is the movie where we get to see
• 45:26
  the most of Emperor Palpatine. Oh yeah, and.
• 45:30
  His lovely black robes, which honestly, if I was a Star Wars
• 45:33
  character, I'm just saying this is where I'd be taking my
• 45:37
  fashion inspiration. Same.
• 45:39
  Same. I love the shape of the
• 45:44
  Emperor's hood. Actually, my last sewing
• 45:47
  project, my friend was going to A to a a rave of some kind in
• 45:53
  Chicago and he wanted to be a sexy emperor Alpha teen 'cause I
• 45:58
  actually had to recreate this hood.
• 46:00
  It's a very unique hood shape and I really enjoyed making it.
• 46:03
  So seeing this hood right now just brought me a lot of joy.
• 46:06
  You need to. Send me pictures of that, cause
• 46:09
  I remember you telling me about it, but I never saw the final
• 46:12
  product. Yeah, it was.
• 46:13
  Like a hood attached to like a very risque mesh tank top thing.
• 46:19
  I don't Yeah, it was, it was a lot, but it was fun.
• 46:23
  That sounds. Fascinating.
• 46:25
  Yeah, he had a good. Time shout out to Sydney.
• 46:30
  And well, this is a fairly simple look.
• 46:36
  It really has a standout piece in the brooch that holds the
• 46:39
  cloak shut. It's meant to resemble molten
• 46:44
  lava and was inspired by an early version of the script that
• 46:50
  had the Emperor's throne room in a cavern surrounded by lava,
• 46:56
  which I love that 'cause it kind of shows like how things evolve
• 47:02
  through pre production and through script revision because
• 47:08
  if that never happened they wouldn't have this piece which
• 47:12
  works perfectly. While it has no connection to
• 47:16
  how the movie like the how the look of the movie turned out in
• 47:19
  the end, it's a perfect piece for the Emperor.
• 47:24
  And I feel like it makes a lot of sense when you think about
• 47:26
  like the prequel trilogy and some of the other movies like
• 47:31
  Molten lava is heavily featured throughout the Star Wars films.
• 47:37
  Yeah, that's. Where his apprentice was crisp
• 47:39
  beat up and some molten lava becomes like a robotic chicken
• 47:43
  nugget. But then also later on we've
• 47:46
  come to find out and you know all these series and whatnot,
• 47:50
  that Darth Vader ends up having a layer surrounded by molten
• 47:53
  lava as well. So I mean, you know, just shows
• 47:56
  how like things are reused and recycled and you know, things go
• 48:00
  back to drawing board but maybe come back up later like many of
• 48:03
  the characters in these films and shows as well, so.
• 48:07
  I love that. I want that.
• 48:09
  I want. One of these.
• 48:11
  Now I've never looked at that piece and now I want it right.
• 48:15
  I didn't even know it was there, and Nyla talked about how the
• 48:20
  emperor's power and character was conveyed through costume, he
• 48:26
  said. How do I make the emperor feel
• 48:28
  more evil than he already is? There is an inference that there
• 48:33
  is something greater than what you see with the Emperor because
• 48:37
  of the people around him and Spencer.
• 48:42
  The people around him are the Royal Guard, yeah.
• 48:47
  In their. Iconic red ensembles easily.
• 48:53
  One of the best costumes of the entire trilogy.
• 48:55
  His Red Imperial Guards are so cool looking so.
• 49:00
  Cool. And this is the implied power of
• 49:06
  the Emperor. It's most evident in his Royal
• 49:10
  Guard. And when it came to the
• 49:12
  signature color, Rodgers knew exactly what was needed.
• 49:17
  She said they wanted to have the Red Guards and ordinary red.
• 49:24
  But I said, Oh no, it's George Lucas.
• 49:28
  I had done a whole movie with Candy Apple Red Cars with him,
• 49:33
  so it had to be the suckling candy apple red.
• 49:39
  She's like, I know I've, I've done this.
• 49:42
  This is not my first rodeo. I know exactly what Red he's
• 49:45
  talking about. She was like, no.
• 49:46
  No, no, no. This is not Fire Engine Red.
• 49:50
  It is Candy Apple red. Get your facts straight.
• 49:56
  And the guard's other defining feature is their helmet, which
• 50:02
  Nilo talked about saying. The original notion was to make
• 50:06
  it as narrow as possible. If it looked impossible to fit
• 50:11
  on a human head, then perhaps it wasn't human, which we don't
• 50:15
  know. We don't know if his Royal Guard
• 50:17
  is human or not. Yeah, we don't know.
• 50:19
  And I think that's the one thing I've always loved about these
• 50:22
  costumes in particular is you always look at them and you're
• 50:24
  like, who is under there? And that makes sense of mystery,
• 50:28
  Makes the costume all that more exciting because it really makes
• 50:31
  your mind wander on. Like who could be set up inside
• 50:34
  this armor? Because it, you know, the helmet
• 50:37
  does not look entirely comfortable, so whoever's head
• 50:40
  is in there is not having a good time.
• 50:42
  So maybe they're not a human. Maybe they have a longer stretch
• 50:46
  your head, I don't know, but you never know.
• 50:48
  Very good. And.
• 50:50
  Talking about other Imperial troops, this film introduces the
• 50:57
  Imperial Biker Scout, which was seen as a Storm Trooper who had
• 51:04
  special training and were just better than their standard
• 51:08
  counterparts. Yeah, they had their own look,
• 51:12
  their own helmet shape, their own, you know, their sitting.
• 51:15
  So that means their costumes can be built a little bit
• 51:18
  differently. And then their uncomfortable
• 51:20
  standing counterparts. Such another iconic look this
• 51:24
  film was just full of. Them.
• 51:26
  Yeah, absolutely. And Nylo talked about them
• 51:32
  saying when the script was being developed, the scouts were
• 51:36
  always in action. And when I looked at the hard
• 51:40
  shell of the stormtrooper, I thought, they can't move, it's
• 51:43
  impossible. So I pitched the idea to George
• 51:48
  that it's more cloth than anything, which, yeah, it
• 51:52
  absolutely is. Which I never really thought
• 51:55
  about because the black cloth just blends in so well.
• 52:00
  And we're already used to seeing black on the standard
• 52:02
  Stormtroopers, so you don't really question that.
• 52:06
  It's not as like hard and rigid as a stormtrooper.
• 52:11
  It's so. True.
• 52:12
  I never actually realized that, like, this costume was built
• 52:15
  differently technically because the yeah, the Stormtroopers are
• 52:19
  famously known for, like, not be able to move a lot, you know?
• 52:23
  But now looking at, you're like, you're right, there is a lot of
• 52:25
  cloth in this costume, which is different, but the armor's just
• 52:29
  like in the in the perfect places.
• 52:32
  That still kind of gives like that typical Stormtrooper look.
• 52:35
  It's it's really quite, quite smart, 'cause you have to do a
• 52:39
  lot of sitting, you know, it's. Yeah, absolutely.
• 52:43
  It's very integral. And for the piece of armor,
• 52:47
  Rogers and Nylo worked closely with Peter Ranzani's team of
• 52:54
  plastic workers, which I thought was fascinating.
• 52:58
  They had a whole team of just people dedicated to creating
• 53:03
  plastic props and costume pieces.
• 53:08
  And they started working on this in fall of 1981.
• 53:13
  So super early on. And they said we started on the
• 53:18
  biker costume because that was the most complex.
• 53:23
  It was a challenge to make it all work during filming and
• 53:26
  during stunts. Oh man.
• 53:29
  Wonder how made they had to make.
• 53:30
  But yeah, that's interesting. I wouldn't think that this
• 53:33
  costume is the most complex, but again, that's why I have like a
• 53:36
  lot of respect for like the five O 1st Legion and all these
• 53:39
  troops that like actually make a lot of this armor and study
• 53:42
  them, 'cause I I'm sure it's not a easy thing to pull off.
• 53:46
  It's not. An easy thing and it's like they
• 53:49
  did so much like trial and error during these films and it's like
• 53:54
  it's not like they have all that information written down
• 53:57
  somewhere like, so you're right. Like people who recreate these
• 54:03
  put in so much work and have to be so skilled.
• 54:06
  It's it's wild. There wasn't a.
• 54:09
  Stormtrooper handbook back then? No.
• 54:11
  So no there. Wasn't.
• 54:14
  And obviously, if there's going to be special Stormtroopers for
• 54:21
  Endor, the Rebels have to have a unique Endor battle outfit, and
• 54:30
  the obvious choice was a woodsy camouflage.
• 54:35
  Wanting something unique, they went to textile artist Edwina
• 54:41
  Pelica, who airbrushed the fabric using water based inks
• 54:47
  that were then heat set in order to keep the fabric's original
• 54:51
  texture and movement. I love that, actually, because
• 54:56
  it's. I feel like they can't go
• 54:58
  camouflage, camouflage, you know, because that's very much
• 55:01
  attached to our world. And this airbrush texture of it
• 55:06
  feels very Star Wars, but then still gives like kind of that
• 55:10
  camouflage look that they're trying to do.
• 55:12
  So that's very smart, absolutely.
• 55:14
  In the book, Nilo talks about how him and Rogers were like, we
• 55:18
  cannot just use something off the shelf, like they knew they
• 55:23
  had to create something unique, he did said.
• 55:26
  Like, I think this is so funny. This is totally just like
• 55:31
  retrospect, like how you would do things now opposed to then.
• 55:35
  But he was like, if I could go back, I would change it.
• 55:39
  I feel like he felt like it was very like the colors were very
• 55:42
  like of the 80s, which it's like maybe, probably.
• 55:48
  But it worked. It worked with the set design.
• 55:53
  It worked with the locations they were at.
• 55:56
  So I think like, it's perfect. Yeah, I.
• 55:59
  Respectfully disagree with them. I think that the colors were
• 56:02
  perfect. I mean they're on a foresty
• 56:05
  woodsy planet. So I mean what colors would you
• 56:10
  go with? I mean, I I mean it does have a
• 56:13
  80s look because this was designed in the 80s, but like,
• 56:17
  but the the colors to me are I I love the colors and these are
• 56:22
  some of my favorite costumes. I think they look spectacular
• 56:25
  because it it really brings in like that rebel look that we're
• 56:28
  used to from these three films. But by I still love the
• 56:33
  flowiness of them. Like I love leas.
• 56:36
  Kind of like poncho things she has with the belt going across
• 56:40
  and all the helmets. Han Solo is kind of wearing his
• 56:43
  Blade Runner coat a little bit, but like, yeah.
• 56:47
  But with. The with the camouflage colors
• 56:50
  to it. I love how he.
• 56:52
  Wears it too, because it's definitely like someone just
• 56:54
  handed it to him. He was like, what do I need this
• 56:56
  for? Yeah.
• 56:57
  Because it's definitely over his regular look that we're used to.
• 57:02
  He did nothing else. I find it so funny that he's
• 57:05
  like a rebel general and I feel like he's constantly like, what?
• 57:09
  What am I doing? Why am I here?
• 57:12
  Excuse me, can I go? Back to smuggling, please.
• 57:17
  Yeah, he's. He's in love with his best
• 57:22
  friend's sister, yeah. Who's also.
• 57:25
  Kind of in love with her brother, yeah.
• 57:27
  Well, that's what he thinks, yeah.
• 57:29
  Things are weird right now. I love in the movie when he's
• 57:35
  like when she's looking up, like worried about Luke and he he's
• 57:38
  kind of almost like I've lost her to Luke, This is it.
• 57:42
  And like he confronts her about it and she's just like, what?
• 57:46
  No, he's my brother. And the look of like what on Han
• 57:51
  Solo's face is priceless, just followed by the OK, whatever
• 57:56
  'cause she's kissing him now, yeah.
• 58:00
  That part, that part still gets me to this day.
• 58:03
  Every time. I'm always, like, shocked, too.
• 58:05
  I'm like, wait, wait, Oh my goodness.
• 58:10
  It's so good. What is also good are these
• 58:14
  helmets. And while many of the pieces for
• 58:18
  the Red Wolf soldiers were repurposed from previous rebel
• 58:23
  looks to highlight their kind of like lack of funds and needing
• 58:28
  to repurpose things, the Halo helmets were unique for Endor.
• 58:36
  The helmet was created by just putting, like a plastic ring
• 58:42
  onto a Averex AN-H-15 flight cap.
• 58:51
  Oh. Yeah, I was going to say like
• 58:53
  the Well, if you take the ring off, it looks like familiar.
• 58:57
  You know, like it looks familiar to our world.
• 59:00
  But all it takes is that black ring to just go right on top of
• 59:03
  it and suddenly it's like the future, Yeah?
• 59:06
  Which I'm like, That's brilliant.
• 59:08
  Yeah, fantastic. What was also brilliant and
• 59:12
  lovable? The Ewoks.
• 59:15
  I love how the chapter on the Ewoks started 'cause it was
• 59:20
  like, love em or hate em. The ewoks are in this.
• 59:24
  Movie, OK. And like, honestly, sometimes I
• 59:28
  forget, like the Ewoks have people inside them.
• 59:31
  I don't. I like, for some reason always
• 59:33
  believed they're like animatronics or something.
• 59:35
  Elizabeth and I are looking at pictures right now of the cast
• 59:38
  taking their like, ewok heads off.
• 59:41
  Yeah, it. Was it was?
• 59:42
  Really startling, actually, for a second.
• 59:44
  Like, what's going on here? I have.
• 59:47
  They definitely seem they were either like puppeteered or like
• 59:51
  like remotely controlled somehow.
• 59:53
  But no, there are actors in those suits.
• 59:56
  How do you not? Like an ewok.
• 59:58
  I mean, let's be real, yeah. I mean, I I do feel like they
• 1:00:02
  are kind of silly in comparison to the rest of the Star Wars
• 1:00:06
  universe, but. Like they're so.
• 1:00:08
  Cuddly and deadly like, how can you not love them?
• 1:00:14
  That's so true. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  I mean, I, you know, they're so cuddly and cute and I just, I
• 1:00:19
  feel like you have to love them. But it's true, I guess to every
• 1:00:23
  Star Wars trilogy there is like a character that is like a bit
• 1:00:26
  over the top or creature that you're like I guess the Ewoks
• 1:00:30
  that, but I don't know, I feel like they just they fit, they
• 1:00:33
  work they. They do work.
• 1:00:35
  I feel about knowing there's people inside of the costumes,
• 1:00:38
  but did you know? That before then I did.
• 1:00:41
  I think my mind just always blocks it out.
• 1:00:44
  I just like to believe that they're actually cute, cuddly
• 1:00:46
  woodsy bears that we're trained to.
• 1:00:49
  OK, just a bunch of a wild animals on the set of Star Wars
• 1:00:57
  Return of the Jedi I. I don't know.
• 1:01:00
  I guess like I imagined, like George Lucas, like rounding them
• 1:01:04
  up and training them or something.
• 1:01:05
  I don't know. Well, well.
• 1:01:07
  They were not they. They were actors in suits
• 1:01:10
  created by supervisor creature supervisor Stuart Freeborn and
• 1:01:18
  wardrobe mistress Janet Tobruk. They had one of the great
• 1:01:24
  undertakings of Return of the Jedi because they had to create
• 1:01:32
  35 Ewok costumes specifically tailored to each actor, meaning
• 1:01:40
  that they were not interchangeable.
• 1:01:42
  The actor it was made for was the actor who had to wear it.
• 1:01:46
  Wow. It took ten people to make one
• 1:01:49
  Ewok costume. Now that.
• 1:01:51
  Is fun. Imagine being cast.
• 1:01:53
  Sound like you are Ewok #12. And damn it, you're gonna get
• 1:01:57
  your own Ewok costume. You could create your own
• 1:02:00
  storyline for this Ewok like you are Ewok #12.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah, that's. Cool you you go for it.
• 1:02:07
  And producer Howard, Kas and John talked about how much space
• 1:02:13
  and effort it took to create the Ewok, saying the costumed
• 1:02:17
  apartment for the Ewoks had maybe 5 rooms on the second
• 1:02:21
  floor. They.
• 1:02:24
  Would sew all of the costumes for the Ewoks, go down the
• 1:02:28
  stairs and over to the makeup department.
• 1:02:31
  And they were doing Ewok heads, hands and feet.
• 1:02:36
  And these were really like not easy to make.
• 1:02:41
  They the actors, had to wear the shape altering foam suits
• 1:02:47
  covered in faux fur and it posed many challenges, including the
• 1:02:53
  fact that a lot of scenes were very apparent.
• 1:02:58
  That is, the reason all of the Ewoks are wearing hoods is to
• 1:03:02
  hide. The.
• 1:03:05
  Seams in the heads of these costumes.
• 1:03:09
  It was like a whole problem, like people were having panic
• 1:03:13
  attacks over how like obvious it was that these were sewn suits.
• 1:03:24
  You know, there must have been a night where, like, George Lucas
• 1:03:27
  was like smoking a cigarette, looking over like the five
• 1:03:30
  floors of Ewok costumes. And I was like, what have we
• 1:03:33
  done? What did I do?
• 1:03:35
  Why? Did I make this decision?
• 1:03:39
  And like, we can't back out now, we've been making Ewok costumes
• 1:03:42
  for. Five months.
• 1:03:44
  Now seriously, if. You get this book just to read
• 1:03:47
  the chapter on the Ewoks. It's one of the longest chapters
• 1:03:50
  in the book. Like there.
• 1:03:52
  Like there is a part just talking about how one producer
• 1:03:55
  was like. It sounds like he was almost on
• 1:03:58
  the verge of a nervous breakdown.
• 1:04:01
  Over these. Ewoks.
• 1:04:04
  It's so. Funny.
• 1:04:06
  Oh. Man, oh, that's so funny this.
• 1:04:09
  I needed that laugh. That's a good one.
• 1:04:12
  It's hilarious. And Spencer I think it's only
• 1:04:16
  fitting that we end our trilogy on the original Star Wars films
• 1:04:24
  by talking about probably the most beloved Star Wars character
• 1:04:30
  of all time, The one character we have not talked about yet.
• 1:04:35
  R2D2 that. Is so true.
• 1:04:38
  I think we've talked about this every episode.
• 1:04:40
  We're like, how did we skip R2D2?
• 1:04:44
  Well, here we are. Here we.
• 1:04:46
  Are I was like we cannot end without talking about our best
• 1:04:54
  little friend who is probably the only character in Star Wars
• 1:04:59
  who makes the right decision every time.
• 1:05:04
  Like R2D2 always knows what to do.
• 1:05:07
  And he was. Designed by Mercury, who said
• 1:05:12
  George showed me the robots from silent running, and since those
• 1:05:17
  were square, I made R2 cylindrical.
• 1:05:21
  George thought R2 should be a small tripod.
• 1:05:26
  Yeah, which I. Love and one of his original
• 1:05:29
  designs he really considered. He wanted R2D2 to be this ball
• 1:05:35
  bearing, you know, rolling little robot until George Lucas
• 1:05:40
  was like, no, no tripod, but I love how that comes back around
• 1:05:46
  in the sequel trilogies with BB8.
• 1:05:50
  Yeah, it's like that. That idea did not go away, it
• 1:05:54
  was just saved for a later date. But the task of bringing R2 to
• 1:06:00
  life fell to David Watling, the managing director of Peterik
• 1:06:07
  Engineering. He said.
• 1:06:10
  We were provided with drawings for R2's body and plaster
• 1:06:15
  casting for a head, legs, and foot.
• 1:06:19
  Those pieces had been made by the art department, and we took
• 1:06:23
  measurements of them to create the final aluminum version.
• 1:06:28
  They had to create 6 1/2. I don't know what the half part
• 1:06:31
  is. Yeah, wait, what?
• 1:06:34
  Yeah. R2 units, which took roughly
• 1:06:39
  10,000 hours. Wow.
• 1:06:43
  And that's probably a fraction of the Ewok hours, right?
• 1:06:46
  Right. Oh.
• 1:06:47
  Wow. Yeah, that's I've.
• 1:06:49
  I've seen one of or at least they said it was authentic one
• 1:06:52
  of the R2D2 units before at the Academy Museum and you're there
• 1:06:58
  too. It's it is so cool to see it.
• 1:07:02
  Especially knowing that you know the house actor Kenny Baker in a
• 1:07:07
  costume as well too which I've. I can't even imagine.
• 1:07:11
  Oh yeah. David was talking about it.
• 1:07:14
  He was like, he was strong to move at 'cause it was apparently
• 1:07:18
  a a very heavy piece of costuming.
• 1:07:22
  Oh, I could. Only imagine the commitment of
• 1:07:25
  the people in these films to make the droids of all kind work
• 1:07:30
  throughout these films is really quite incredible.
• 1:07:32
  But also, just like exhausting I would.
• 1:07:35
  The claustrophobia I get just by looking at the RTD two costume
• 1:07:39
  makes me crazy, right? Oh, but yeah, R2D2.
• 1:07:44
  Is there anything more iconic than R2D2 though?
• 1:07:47
  Like, not really. He is.
• 1:07:50
  Like especially cause like I see R2D2 as like the ultimate keeper
• 1:07:56
  of the Star Wars story. Yeah, because his memory is
• 1:08:00
  never wiped right. Unlike C3PO, he remembers
• 1:08:04
  literally everything. He knows all.
• 1:08:09
  He has seen all, so he knows what he needs to do, right?
• 1:08:16
  R2D2 is to go Elizabeth. And with that, that brings us to
• 1:08:23
  the end of our three Years in the Making trilogy for Star
• 1:08:27
  Wars. I know, why don't you?
• 1:08:30
  You've put so much work into these three episodes.
• 1:08:33
  You know, we had our I forgot we had our friend Natalie Lucia
• 1:08:36
  with us on the second episode. But just to combine efforts,
• 1:08:40
  I've gone into cream. These three Star Wars episodes
• 1:08:43
  now is really quite they should write a book about our
• 1:08:47
  dedication, your dedication to cream these three excellent Star
• 1:08:50
  Wars. Hi.
• 1:08:52
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:08:53
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:08:54
  It's a. Lot of fun to examine something
• 1:08:59
  that's so ingrained in our cinematic culture and history,
• 1:09:05
  to really, like, take a close look at it and see the thought
• 1:09:09
  process behind it all, 'cause so much thought and care is put
• 1:09:14
  into these costumes, which, you know, we see all the time, but
• 1:09:21
  don't give a lot of thought to because they are so common,
• 1:09:26
  right? Yeah, I.
• 1:09:27
  Mean I I think people look at the costumes and they don't
• 1:09:30
  think about the costumes, which is why I think these films have
• 1:09:33
  been so fun to do, because it's so hard for us to find like
• 1:09:37
  actual commentary on costumes, especially from films of this
• 1:09:40
  era. So the fact that Star Wars was
• 1:09:43
  so I guess the history was really taken down for those
• 1:09:47
  costumes is really exciting. It just makes me want to like
• 1:09:50
  continue doing the podcast also and like uncover facts by our
• 1:09:54
  other favorites, which is why we keep doing it.
• 1:09:56
  But yeah, Star Wars is just one of the greatest sci-fi films of
• 1:10:01
  all times and its inspirations on sci-fi and genre in general,
• 1:10:07
  and I know we still see it to this day.
• 1:10:10
  It's it's one of the best. Whether you like the films or
• 1:10:12
  hate the films, there's no denying the impact that Star
• 1:10:15
  Wars has had on film. Fashion, costume, cast.
• 1:10:21
  Absolutely production. So on and so forth.
• 1:10:24
  And also cuddly woodsy for Steve Bears too.
• 1:10:28
  This was a big one for them. Absolutely.
• 1:10:32
  Everyone, if you've heard all three of these, thank you for
• 1:10:34
  sticking with us. Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  For. Whether you were like they're
• 1:10:39
  coming out with the Star Wars, I just started listening.
• 1:10:42
  Let me binge those. Or you were around for when we
• 1:10:45
  originally released the first one.
• 1:10:48
  Thank you for sticking with it. Yeah, that.
• 1:10:51
  I I almost don't even remember recording the first time, right?
• 1:10:56
  But it was. I remember enjoying that
• 1:10:58
  episode. So yeah, if you've listened to
• 1:10:59
  all of them, you're a loyal listener and we appreciate you.
• 1:11:03
  And if you're new, it's not too late.
• 1:11:06
  Get on with it. And Elizabeth, I think we should
• 1:11:09
  take a little break so that we could come back and play your
• 1:11:12
  favorite game real quick. Absolutely.
• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:34
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• 1:12:16
  Elizabeth, I have my Coke Zero and I am ready to get into our
• 1:12:21
  one costume to Rule Them All, which is not sponsored by Coke
• 1:12:24
  0. No, but for some reason I just
• 1:12:26
  had to let you know that I am caffeinated and ready to go.
• 1:12:30
  However, Coca. Cola Company If you are
• 1:12:32
  listening, sponsorships are welcome and would.
• 1:12:36
  Like to sponsor one costume? Rule them all.
• 1:12:38
  That would be cool. You know, like a like a sports
• 1:12:41
  series. Like one costume ruled them all.
• 1:12:43
  Sponsored by Blank, blank Blank. Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  That'd be cool. That'd be awesome.
• 1:12:49
  Just point that out. There, Two Rivers listening.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah, let us know. Let us know.
• 1:12:54
  In the meantime, hit it Daniel. The one costume to rule them
• 1:13:01
  all. Spencer What is your one costume
• 1:13:09
  to rule them all? So I'm just gonna be upfront.
• 1:13:15
  I thought I knew my one costume to rule them all.
• 1:13:19
  But then I saw a little peak of a certain Co host notes and I
• 1:13:23
  realized that we might be aligned in our one costume to
• 1:13:27
  rule them all. Really.
• 1:13:29
  I made a little. Switcheroo and I decided to go
• 1:13:32
  with Princess Leia's initial disguise to Jabba the Huts
• 1:13:36
  Palace. It's just.
• 1:13:38
  Such an iconic piece. It's so hilarious.
• 1:13:41
  But then the actual design structure of it is so
• 1:13:44
  interesting. It's aged perfectly.
• 1:13:47
  I love the kimono, which goes back to just like this time
• 1:13:51
  period and the love for the kimono and you know, like
• 1:13:54
  Japanese fashion and film at the time.
• 1:13:58
  So I think it really is a great piece.
• 1:14:00
  And I think also, hey, that's also one of Aggie's favorite
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  costumes, makes me feel vindicated.
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  So. Absolutely.
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  It's definitely like, like you were saying, that's when we
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  talked about it. That helmet is iconic.
• 1:14:16
  Yeah. And I loved learning about just
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  how much effort was put into the overall look.
• 1:14:24
  So I like it, Spencer. I like it.
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  OK, So what was yours? Just say it my.
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  One costume to rule them all is the Royal Guard, yeah.
• 1:14:38
  That was my original one. I just can't say.
• 1:14:40
  But now it's a it's just a honorable mention for me it.
• 1:14:44
  It is like it's a staple of the Star Wars universe in the like,
• 1:14:52
  they have versions of this in the prequels.
• 1:14:56
  In the sequels. It's definitely something that
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  has like seeped in to the Star Wars lore that you know for the
• 1:15:08
  Dark Side. The most elite soldiers are the
• 1:15:13
  Royal Guard and wear these cool, completely red outfits.
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  Candy Apple. Red.
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  Candy Apple. Red.
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  Yeah, I mean, I got to agree with you.
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  They're just like iconic costumes that are the fact that
• 1:15:29
  they're just so mysterious and the decades later, we still look
• 1:15:33
  at them and be like what was happening with these guards.
• 1:15:36
  They are so interesting, so creepy, so stylish.
• 1:15:40
  Like you just you can't take your eyes off of them no matter
• 1:15:43
  how many years go by. You're like that costume just
• 1:15:46
  really stands out as like an astounding 1II.
• 1:15:50
  Could not agree more Spencer and if you agree with me, you can
• 1:15:54
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  Arctic costume@gmail.com. Spencer, who are you watching
• 1:16:10
  next week? Well, I think we're both very,
• 1:16:14
  very excited about this one. In our next episode, we are
• 1:16:18
  really doing a serious switcheroo from Star Wars.
• 1:16:23
  But we're gonna watch a film that Elizabeth and I have been.
• 1:16:25
  It's been on our list since the very beginning, and we keep
• 1:16:29
  putting it off for some reason, but now is celebrating a 25th
• 1:16:32
  anniversary. We are talking about the 1999
• 1:16:36
  film The Mummy, yes. This is one of my favorite films
• 1:16:42
  of all time. I so I'm going to go see you
• 1:16:47
  tomorrow with my mom and my dad. I'm so excited.
• 1:16:51
  Never seen it in theaters because I was not going to see
• 1:16:56
  The Mummy in 1999 at five years old.
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  Someone said that to me the other day, too.
• 1:17:02
  I was like, yeah, I wasn't allowed to see that movie in
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  1999. I'm sorry.
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  No, I I'm so happy for you. I just came back from the
• 1:17:10
  theaters. I was there this weekend and I
• 1:17:12
  saw The Mummy in theaters for the first time.
• 1:17:14
  And I can assure you that this film absolutely still hits.
• 1:17:18
  It does not age a single day. Hi everyone.
• 1:17:22
  It's incredible. The effects are great.
• 1:17:24
  The lore is awesome. I mean, it's I think this is
• 1:17:27
  like a definition perfect film. The Mummy I.
• 1:17:31
  Couldn't agree more. I'm so excited.
• 1:17:33
  So excited. I cannot wait.
• 1:17:36
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• 1:18:04
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• 1:19:10
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• 1:19:11
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• 1:19:14
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