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The Week That Was - 2nd September 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was and joining us
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Speaker 1: in this studio this morning. We have got the Sea
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Speaker 1: Oh Peace, Opposition spokesperson for Health Bill Yan.
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Speaker 2: Morning, Darwin.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio. We have got
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Speaker 1: the wonderful Independent never forgot Keesy Apuric, Good morning to
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Speaker 1: you morning. And we've also got Chancey Pake, the Attorney
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Speaker 1: General for the Northern Territory and Labor rep for this morning.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Chance, good morning in a shout out to everyone.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful to have you all in the studio. Did you
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Speaker 1: feel the earth moved last night?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, my bloody dog got on the bed again. I
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Speaker 4: think that's what it was.
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Speaker 3: Look was shaking the.
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Speaker 4: Bit of an earth exactly that.
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Speaker 1: Out of control. Bill Yan, Well, yeah, I tell you
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Speaker 1: what it was. It's always interesting when those earthquakes arrived,
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Speaker 1: and interesting to see the reaction of the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 1: Everybody usually jumps online to double check whether they've imagined
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Speaker 1: it or not.
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Speaker 4: I didn't feel it, but when we sleep, even when
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Speaker 4: we had that earth tremor a couple of months back
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Speaker 4: or last year, about four o'clock in the morning four thirty,
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Speaker 4: that one did wake everyone up in town. Literally and
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Speaker 4: you could hear it. Yeah, and it's interesting, but a
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Speaker 4: little bit our stuff. It started We've got two dogs
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Speaker 4: in the house at night and they just went funny.
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Speaker 4: They just stood up and then you could just hear
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Speaker 4: like a roar and it went off for ages. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: she don't need to run out and take down some
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Speaker 4: finaware or something. Everyone went straight.
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Speaker 2: Online this morning.
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Speaker 5: It was I was awake when it happened, and I
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Speaker 5: was like, oh, another earthquake. And after the one at Christmas,
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Speaker 5: as I was here, this was like, it's only a tailor, Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: Awkward.
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Speaker 6: Man, You've been in a deep sleep and you wake
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Speaker 6: up and you just have no idea.
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Speaker 1: What's going on exactly.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't help if your bed is on wheels.
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Speaker 1: No it doesn't.
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Speaker 4: You ended up under this under the window when you're
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Speaker 4: under the door.
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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. It is always interesting when
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Speaker 1: you do have an earthquake or you feel those earthquakes
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Speaker 1: here in the top end. But well, it's been an
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Speaker 1: interesting week, that is for sure. And yesterday we know
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Speaker 1: that outside of Parliament, hundreds of teachers, correction staff, nurses
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Speaker 1: and fieries were amongst those protesting the government's wage frees.
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Speaker 1: Now we know that prisons went into lockdown as correction
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Speaker 1: staff took strike action. Schools remained open, but classes look
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Speaker 1: quite different with kids going into their classrooms and the
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Speaker 1: Education Department obviously doing their best to manage that whole situation.
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Speaker 1: But I tell you what, some very strong words yesterday
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Speaker 1: from the unions. I was watching nine News Starwin last
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Speaker 1: night and to hear Erina Early really quite furious. It
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Speaker 1: sounded with the Northern Territory government at the moment.
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Speaker 4: I think all of them, Katie. I popped across and
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Speaker 4: I went to the teachers rally last week or the
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Speaker 4: week before whenever it was. And yes, you're quite correct,
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Speaker 4: there were the fires, corrections, emergency services and nurses, but
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Speaker 4: my father, the biggest group was the teachers and I
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Speaker 4: would put it at five to eight hundred people who really, yeah,
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Speaker 4: sure would. There's lots of supporters, you know, you just
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Speaker 4: sort of work out how you add up the crowd.
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Speaker 4: But the message was very clear that to stop the
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Speaker 4: wage freeze. And I've spoken to lots of particularly in
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Speaker 4: the teaching area about my ruler. It's not just about
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Speaker 4: the pay and the salary and the iniquities. It's about
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Speaker 4: the support that the schools are not getting that they
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Speaker 4: should be getting, for example, school based constables, school based auxiliaries.
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Speaker 4: You know, I might beef about that, but to me,
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Speaker 4: Men still doesn't or didn't have a school based auxiliary
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Speaker 4: for whatever reason. We're still waiting for our second counselor.
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Speaker 4: School counselor was from six months ago, and all the
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Speaker 4: extracurricular activities that the teachers get involved in. So that
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Speaker 4: was that's their strong message. And I know the government
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Speaker 4: made an offer at the last minute, but the question
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Speaker 4: has to be asked, why why at the last minute.
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Speaker 4: You know, you're giving a thick document to analyze and
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Speaker 4: say I don't strike, And I'm like, that's not really fair.
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Speaker 4: They should have been doing this six months ago with
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Speaker 4: all of these groups. We know we've got inflation high,
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Speaker 4: we know our cost of livings up here.
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Speaker 1: I just had absolutely I just had a.
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Speaker 4: Girlfriend up from down south from boarding school, and I said,
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Speaker 4: we're talking about this and she said, yeah, you're my
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Speaker 4: bar expensive up here. She's from Geraldon in WA. And
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Speaker 4: it's just when you find people like that that tell
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Speaker 4: you what it costs down there and what it costs
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Speaker 4: up here. But the message was very strong. You know,
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Speaker 4: clearly the fieries can't strike because of the nature of
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Speaker 4: their job. They're unhappy. They're unhappy, unhappy. And the interesting thing,
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Speaker 4: and I heard this morning erin Early is also the
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Speaker 4: president of the Labor Party, and she's stepped down because
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Speaker 4: she can't. She can't do both. You can't support the
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Speaker 4: Labor Party and push with their policies, presumably, but then
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Speaker 4: at the same time be critical of her Labor Party
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Speaker 4: and the government.
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Speaker 1: So I got to say I thought that hell might
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Speaker 1: freeze over yesterday. When I then saw the COLP standing
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Speaker 1: outside with the unions, I thought, goodness, met, the world's
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Speaker 1: gone upside down here and what's going on.
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Speaker 5: We come out very very early on on the pay
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Speaker 5: free stuff, Katie, and we've never said that we supported
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Speaker 5: the pay freeze. I said. Langland had a report for
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Speaker 5: budget repair and that included an actual way drawer.
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Speaker 2: Now Langoland's three years old, now a.
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Speaker 5: Lot of change's and that's getting older, so that sort
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Speaker 5: of needs to be looked at.
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Speaker 2: But when you look at it, a wage.
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Speaker 5: Freeze, there's no wages grow. So you get a Barnes's
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Speaker 5: Roight bonus is great. You go out and buy a
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Speaker 5: new TV. But how does that help you?
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Speaker 2: Now? With the increased cost living, inflation going.
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Speaker 5: Up, fuels going up, there's all these dynamics changing in
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Speaker 5: the community. And if you don't get a pay rise
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Speaker 5: at least getting close to inflation, then you're going to
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Speaker 5: be on the back foot for a long time. And
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Speaker 5: of course, where is the government going to be in
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Speaker 5: four years time when these pay freeze is in because
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Speaker 5: they the wage parody for the territory against every other
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Speaker 5: state in the country is going to be ten or
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Speaker 5: twelve percent behind. How are we going to get people
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Speaker 5: in the territory, How we're.
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Speaker 1: Going to keep from That's exactly right, and this is
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Speaker 1: a major issue at the moment. We know that nationally
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Speaker 1: there is a job some at taking place, a job
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Speaker 1: and training some at taking place where this very issue
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Speaker 1: is being discussed. But the worry and the and the
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Speaker 1: concern that we've got here in the territory is that
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Speaker 1: how can we afford USh and Chadsey, you know, this
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Speaker 1: is the thing that a lot of people are questioning
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Speaker 1: at the moment. Sure, you know, we'd love to see
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Speaker 1: the public servants sketch that pay increase, and I think
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Speaker 1: they deserve it. I've been very supportive of the teachers
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Speaker 1: taking that strike action because I think they are, you know,
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Speaker 1: helping to shape the minds of our young people. But
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's in a situation right now where
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Speaker 1: they can't really afford to do much.
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Speaker 6: Look, I think it's really first to just acknowledge that
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Speaker 6: the Northern Territory Government, through our Minister for Public Employment,
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Speaker 6: Paul Kirby, has been meeting regularly with all those union
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Speaker 6: delegates involved across multiple portfolios as those.
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Speaker 3: EBAs are expiring.
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Speaker 6: Certainly we have worked through that, We've looked at considerations,
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Speaker 6: We've put two offers out to teachers and to the corrections.
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Speaker 6: We absolutely acknowledge and support that those unions and delegates
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Speaker 6: absolutely have the right to strike the right to protect action.
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Speaker 6: We've not stood in the way of allowing that action
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Speaker 6: to occur. We saw yesterday take place. We'll put the
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Speaker 6: offer out. Obviously, there is a long process when an
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Speaker 6: offer's made where it goes back to the executive and
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Speaker 6: then it goes out to members to be voted on,
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Speaker 6: and we'll keep working through that. We're absolutely not saying
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Speaker 6: that anything's off the table, but we'll work through it.
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Speaker 6: In a thoughtful way and listening to those I mean,
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Speaker 6: I've got the portfolio area of corrections, and I've been
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Speaker 6: with Minister Kirby talking to them around what their asks
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Speaker 6: are and the conditions that need to be listened to.
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Speaker 5: Well, tell what, yesterday, there's one really clear message from yesterday.
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Speaker 5: And I was out there talking to people on you
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Speaker 5: A lot of those union members and delegates, they're angry,
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Speaker 5: and they're really really angry. I've seen them upset before,
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Speaker 5: but yesterday it was some next level stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly what you could see that from the
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Speaker 1: vision that came through.
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Speaker 4: And quite a few expletives, Yeah, there was out And
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Speaker 4: I think that's symptomatical sign of the frustration.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely a big point that I want to ask, and
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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of parents out there listening
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Speaker 1: this morning are probably wondering the same thing. Chancey. I
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Speaker 1: know that you said that. Obviously the Minister's been meeting
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Speaker 1: with you know, with the teachers and with those different
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Speaker 1: different departments, but specifically with the teachers. If all of
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Speaker 1: these meetings have been taking place, why doesn't reach the
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Speaker 1: point where you know where there's two strikes now within
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Speaker 1: the course of two weeks.
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Speaker 6: Look again, I think there's always multiple reasons behind why
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Speaker 6: protected action is taken. Sometimes it is to set in
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Speaker 6: strong messages to government. Sometimes it's when people can't reach
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Speaker 6: an agreement. There's multiple considerations and again those conversations that
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Speaker 6: have been occurring and they will continue on into the
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Speaker 6: future as well with the Education Minister and with the
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Speaker 6: Minister for Public Employment.
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Speaker 3: But I think you know what.
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Speaker 6: We have seen is cheap cheap shots as well. Because
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Speaker 6: it's all good for the CLP to come out and
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Speaker 6: say that they don't support the wages policy, Well, how
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Speaker 6: are they going to pay for it? That's the questestin
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Speaker 6: These are wage freezers have been brought in because the territory,
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Speaker 6: as we all know, has had structural.
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Speaker 3: With a few issues around its deficit.
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Speaker 6: And we had Leah come out yesterday saying she doesn't
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Speaker 6: support it, but how is she going to pay for it?
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Speaker 3: And how many public servants is she going to cut? Six?
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Speaker 4: Tell you how they can pay for it by stop
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Speaker 4: splashing money around.
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Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars.
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Speaker 5: It's like, look at some of the wages and.
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Speaker 3: Plans were in government.
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Speaker 1: For I'll tell you what something that was so loudly
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Speaker 1: heard though from the union yesterday is that if this
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Speaker 1: wage freeze is not lifted, you know, the unbelievably you know,
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Speaker 1: you've got unions saying they will not vote for labor.
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Speaker 6: Look, it just takes a moment to reflect on the
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Speaker 6: track record of the cel P here. We we won't
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Speaker 6: sack public servants, then they sacked about to see your.
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Speaker 3: Smarter than you've given credit for.
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Speaker 1: Very frustrated and you know, I always think it's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Then you know when that point is made that, you know,
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Speaker 1: the opposition obviously saying it. Also youuke easier saying that
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Speaker 1: you you know, you wouldn't waste money on things in
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Speaker 1: the lead into a by election, and I know that
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Speaker 1: the government that's right.
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Speaker 4: And I'm Freddie Conceialer, Well that's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: And the government always it pains to say, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're different buckets of money. I remember I got told
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Speaker 1: that in the day when the grand stand announcement was made,
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Speaker 1: and I was saying, well, hang on a second. You
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Speaker 1: know we've got the hospital that's in code yellow, but
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Speaker 1: we're spending money on a grandstand. And I'm always getting
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Speaker 1: told they're different buckets of money. I've got to tell
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Speaker 1: you Territorians don't care what bucket of money it is.
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Speaker 1: They want to make sure that it's been.
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Speaker 4: The other thing to get. You know, I accept what
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Speaker 4: chance he's saying about our fiscal and our structural situation
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Speaker 4: in the charity, but one of the things that we've
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Speaker 4: got to continue to be conscious of is to try
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Speaker 4: and build our own source revenue and the three main
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Speaker 4: sources of mineral royalty, stamp duty and payroll tax. And
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Speaker 4: so the only way we're going to get those to
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Speaker 4: build and get more money is to support those industries
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Speaker 4: better and better and more and more, to get more
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Speaker 4: minds on the ground. And I'm tired of Minister Madison saying, oh,
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Speaker 4: we've got call with him doing what they're doing it
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Speaker 4: down finished Way. Yeah, of course they are. We need
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Speaker 4: another world class project, we need another range of mind.
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Speaker 4: We need another Grood Island, we need another Alcan Nullan Boy,
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Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. We need another Granite.
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Speaker 4: These small minds are really good and they really boost
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Speaker 4: the economy in the small area and also generally and
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Speaker 4: with a bigger mining industry, then you get more people
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Speaker 4: coming here buying houses. That increases your stamp duty, that
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Speaker 4: increases your payroll tax. We have to build our own
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Speaker 4: source revenue and then.
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Speaker 3: We are too remember we're building middle arm.
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Speaker 4: Well I agree with that. I have no issue with that.
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Speaker 4: But you want something that generates revenue continually and that's
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Speaker 4: what you get from a major project. Well down the.
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very
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Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four
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Speaker 1: point nine. It is the week that was. If you've
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Speaker 1: just joined us in the studio with me, Bill Yan,
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Speaker 1: Kizi Epuric and Chancey Paig. Now we know that throughout
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Speaker 1: the week inside Parliament, of course, during the week the
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Speaker 1: state of the Northern Territories Police Force was high on
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Speaker 1: the agenda, the Opposition and Independent member Kisi Epiric pushing
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Speaker 1: for the Select Committee to go ahead into reviewing well
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Speaker 1: police attrition and various other aspects. But as you heard
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Speaker 1: from the Police Minister Kate Warden throughout the week, she
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Speaker 1: said that it was not required. There is a review
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Speaker 1: into the financials and also the structure currently underway when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the Northern Territory Police. Now she's not
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Speaker 1: ruled out a full restructure of the police force, but
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Speaker 1: yesterday we know inside Parliament or it may have been
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Speaker 1: the day before Lea Fanocchiaro and also Eukezier argued why
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Speaker 1: it should have gone ahead. We then had a situation
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Speaker 1: where the Member for Blaying Mark Turner revealed that he's
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Speaker 1: written to the Prime Minister calling for a royal commission
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Speaker 1: into the force. There is no doubt that there's a
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Speaker 1: lot to take in on this, I know that. In
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Speaker 1: addition to that, the Police Association president Paul McHugh said
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Speaker 1: that he was really appalled by the fact that you
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Speaker 1: know that the calls for this review had been referred
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Speaker 1: to as a talk fest.
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Speaker 4: That's when I first heard that case. Want me to
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Speaker 4: jump into.
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Speaker 5: Well, I just I suppose look fundamentally that the first
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Speaker 5: thing is is Kate Warden's comments about financial restructure and
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Speaker 5: then a general restructure a bit of a slap in
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Speaker 5: the face for police.
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Speaker 2: A restructure of finance.
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Speaker 5: Is that going to fix the core issues that we're
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Speaker 5: seeing within our police?
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Speaker 2: Is that going to help with their morale?
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Speaker 5: Is that going to help with all the other issues
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Speaker 5: that they're talking about.
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Speaker 1: My understanding was that it was obviously looking to all
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Speaker 1: the finances, but a full restructure of the force. It's
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Speaker 1: not off the car.
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Speaker 4: Steps back a bit. Minister Warden announced that this review
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Speaker 4: was happening in the Parliament this week and so first
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Speaker 4: I'd ever heard of it. There's been no public announcement.
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Speaker 4: And as I said to you on a previous interview,
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Speaker 4: who's doing the review? Is it police reviewing police? Which
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Speaker 4: won't be acceptable to the police officers.
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Speaker 1: Well, I will say just very quickly. We're going to
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Speaker 1: be speaking to the Police Commissioner this morning at ten thirty,
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Speaker 1: so I'm hoping to get the answers to some of
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Speaker 1: those questions because I know that a lot of people
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Speaker 1: in the community want to know the answers to those,
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Speaker 1: as do rank and file police officers.
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Speaker 4: I think the Minister did say that Treasury people were
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Speaker 4: looking at the money side of things, and I can't
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Speaker 4: accept that given their expertise in Treasury. But as Bill said,
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Speaker 4: we're looking at serious call problems our care. There's a
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Speaker 4: rot in there. I think the Police Association has said
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Speaker 4: the police force is unwell, which was a polite way
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Speaker 4: of saying it's in bloody trices. And I think that
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Speaker 4: it's fine to have this review, but what do they
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Speaker 4: come up with that we haven't already been tamed we've.
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Speaker 5: Asked for three We've asked for three inquiries now in
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Speaker 5: the last two years into police. And so look that
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Speaker 5: this hasn't happened overnight. This has been coming for this
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Speaker 5: has been coming for a while. And said we've asked
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Speaker 5: three times now for reviews and to look at what's
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Speaker 5: happening with police. And it's not a bet of Witchhutter's
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Speaker 5: about trying to identify the problems then come up with
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Speaker 5: some solutions through the parliamentary process. The source better to
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Speaker 5: assist police, and every time it just gets shouted down.
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Speaker 5: And now at the situation where the majority of police
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Speaker 5: don't have confidence in their leader, which is a major issue.
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Speaker 5: They don't believe they have enough resources, amongst a number
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Speaker 5: of other things, and you've got to wonder, as as
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Speaker 5: a copper going to work every day, how do you
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Speaker 5: actually feel.
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Speaker 4: The other thing which I wasn't aware of is the
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Speaker 4: police system. They don't have an electronic system of where
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Speaker 4: people are rosted. It's all done by a paper copy,
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Speaker 4: for example. So they're right at any point in time,
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Speaker 4: and maybe the police commissioner can explain it better when
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Speaker 4: you speak to him, but any point of time they
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Speaker 4: probably don't know where their officers are. I mean, they
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Speaker 4: keep telling us, the government keeps telling us, and I
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Speaker 4: accept that. You know, we've got lots of police officers
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Speaker 4: all across the territory, but we still complain and people
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Speaker 4: complain about lack of police officers on the beat, the
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Speaker 4: visual visual police officers. You know what happened to all
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Speaker 4: the school based constables. They took out of the schools
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Speaker 4: and put somewhere in the police. Some of them may
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Speaker 4: retire to get that, but it's just the response times
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Speaker 4: are not their life they used to be. And the
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Speaker 4: promise if you get a promise number that that's the data.
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Speaker 4: They used to say. This is how many crime statistics
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Speaker 4: we've got. But I can tell you, Katie, in the
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Speaker 4: rule are there are people who just do not report
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Speaker 4: unusual potentially. We spoke to a.
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Speaker 1: Listener earlier in the week who said that he'd called
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Speaker 1: the one three, one triple four number and could not
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Speaker 1: get through, and then the next day was on hold
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Speaker 1: for more than half an hour and still couldn't get
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Speaker 1: hold of somebody. So that's an issue.
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Speaker 4: Is that a telephone issue as well?
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Speaker 1: The police minister said to me on the show earlier
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Speaker 1: in the week that she said that it was because
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Speaker 1: of an increase in crime. She thought that it was
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Speaker 1: a situation where it was an increase in people calling
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Speaker 1: through on the same you know, the same incident that
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Speaker 1: may have occurred, which I know that our listeners were
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Speaker 1: not happy with that. They did not believe that that
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Speaker 1: was the case. Look, I think fundamentally we've got a
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Speaker 1: situation here right now where obviously we've had the Police Association,
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Speaker 1: they have released the results from that survey. That survey
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Speaker 1: has found that the morale is incredibly low. It's also
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Speaker 1: found that they're a large number of our officers do
17:29
Speaker 1: not feel that there's enough of them to be able
17:31
Speaker 1: to do the job that's being asked of them. And
17:33
Speaker 1: it has also raised a really serious concern when it
17:36
Speaker 1: comes to the confidence of the Police Commissioner. So I
17:39
Speaker 1: think what the public and also the rank and file
17:42
Speaker 1: of the police force want to really know now is
17:45
Speaker 1: what are the steps forward. And obviously the Police Minister
17:48
Speaker 1: on the show saying that those reviews are going to happen,
17:50
Speaker 1: that there's also work taking.
17:52
Speaker 4: Place, results going to be comfortable. Well, that's a.
17:54
Speaker 1: Very good point and that is certainly something that will
17:56
Speaker 1: chase up and there's.
17:58
Speaker 6: A few like, Yeah, the Police Commissioner is on the
18:01
Speaker 6: show this morning. I think at ten thirty. I think
18:04
Speaker 6: you've had Minister Warden, the Police forire and Emergency Services
18:07
Speaker 6: this week on the show talking about there have been
18:10
Speaker 6: a number of reviews.
18:12
Speaker 3: One has already been completed.
18:14
Speaker 6: That was the Police Welfare Review and that talked about
18:17
Speaker 6: bringing HR services back into the police away from the
18:22
Speaker 6: Public Commission of Public Employment. The Minister spoke about the
18:26
Speaker 6: Police Financing Review and the Police Disciplinary Procedures Review, and
18:32
Speaker 6: she's also spoken about a restructure. So look, there is
18:35
Speaker 6: work going away. I know that Minister Warden, Kate Warden
18:39
Speaker 6: meets with the Police Association, with the Police Executive and
18:44
Speaker 6: I know personally I've been out with Minister Warden out
18:48
Speaker 6: on the beat, working with and talking to officers on
18:51
Speaker 6: the front line, going out on patrols to understand the challenges.
18:55
Speaker 3: That they are faced with.
18:56
Speaker 6: They are hard working professionals. Yes, there is working this
19:00
Speaker 6: space that needs to be done. But I'm very you know,
19:04
Speaker 6: I get that Keysier and Bill he have a different
19:07
Speaker 6: position and we'll just have to disagree on that positions.
19:11
Speaker 5: Health and Welfare review though that was done ages ago
19:14
Speaker 5: and sat on a desk in the Police Executive for
19:17
Speaker 5: a long time and was an action and the fact
19:21
Speaker 5: that the ministers come out so this this week I'll
19:23
Speaker 5: find out we're.
19:24
Speaker 2: Going to bring HR back.
19:25
Speaker 5: Well, really before this whole machinery government changes wouldn't have
19:31
Speaker 5: been prudent just to actually leave HR with police in
19:33
Speaker 5: the first instance, knowing the role they play in how
19:36
Speaker 5: critical HR is their functions at the at the end
19:39
Speaker 5: of the day, to take away.
19:42
Speaker 6: Things that functions already been brought back to the police,
19:45
Speaker 6: and that welfare review was tabled in estimates.
19:49
Speaker 4: So I got a copy. I mean, Minister Waren, I
19:53
Speaker 4: heard her word. She said, I'll get you a copy,
19:56
Speaker 4: and she did. So I got a copy and I know,
19:58
Speaker 4: silky person, I've got a copy and it was good reading.
20:01
Speaker 4: I mean that where's the implementation.
20:03
Speaker 5: At and how long it has been done quite some time
20:06
Speaker 5: ago and it had not been not been acted upon immediately,
20:09
Speaker 5: and you look at what's been happening with the police
20:11
Speaker 5: force since then. There's been some absolute tragedies within the
20:15
Speaker 5: police and I really feel for those men and women
20:17
Speaker 5: in that police forces.
20:19
Speaker 2: I worked closely with them, worked alongside them, and.
20:22
Speaker 5: It's not just police either we heard the head of
20:24
Speaker 5: the Firees yesterday come out really loud and clear on
20:27
Speaker 5: his position where he sits with his confidence.
20:32
Speaker 1: The station with the executives police.
20:34
Speaker 2: At the moment.
20:35
Speaker 4: So it's not policy.
20:38
Speaker 5: It was it was a whole tri service structure. And
20:41
Speaker 5: again I said that it really really needs a real
20:44
Speaker 5: good hard look at and there's a lot of work
20:46
Speaker 5: and it needs it immediately.
20:47
Speaker 4: Well, I've advocated in the past and I'll keep advocating
20:50
Speaker 4: to take split the I did answer that again. I
20:53
Speaker 4: did ask that of the Police Minister to fire reports.
20:56
Speaker 4: The Minister mecy Services reports to the Minister. So if
20:58
Speaker 4: there was a decent view into perhaps and I still
21:02
Speaker 4: say through a select committee, that might be something that
21:05
Speaker 4: they'd look at. Should the police be stand alone, given
21:08
Speaker 4: the workload and all the issues surrounding policing in the territory,
21:11
Speaker 4: fire standalone because let's be honest, our fire service is
21:14
Speaker 4: pretty busy fire service, including the volunteers and emergency services.
21:17
Speaker 4: So I can't recall it's probably a silky government that
21:20
Speaker 4: brought them under one banner, but I can't recall.
21:24
Speaker 1: A situation we should though obviously we spoke to Mark Turner,
21:27
Speaker 1: the Member for Blaine. Yesterday he said that he's written
21:30
Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister and that he thinks there needs
21:34
Speaker 1: to be a Royal commission. I said, you know, I
21:35
Speaker 1: did ask him, well, if that's the case, why didn't
21:37
Speaker 1: you support you know, the why didn't you support that
21:41
Speaker 1: that motion that was put forward for the Select committee.
21:44
Speaker 1: He said that he doesn't think that it should be
21:45
Speaker 1: something that's rushed through, you know, by a select committee,
21:48
Speaker 1: that it needs a further lock.
21:49
Speaker 4: I've had chats with Mark and there seems to be
21:52
Speaker 4: a misunderstanding about what a Select Committee of Apartment actually
21:55
Speaker 4: is all about. It is never rushed. It is very
21:59
Speaker 4: it's very thought and it's done very well. And whether
22:03
Speaker 4: the members have to work every day for a month,
22:06
Speaker 4: well that's what has to happen to do it. And then,
22:08
Speaker 4: as I've said before, if you get to the end
22:11
Speaker 4: of the review period and the chairman or the committee
22:14
Speaker 4: thinks we still need a bit more time, they go
22:16
Speaker 4: back to the Parliament and that's what happened. So and
22:18
Speaker 4: it's not what Leah Knocker was saying. While we could
22:21
Speaker 4: meet at lunchtime today, that wasn't about a quickie meeting. Lunchtime.
22:24
Speaker 4: That was just a preliminary get together, identify the committee
22:27
Speaker 4: members and say right, this is what we've got to do.
22:31
Speaker 4: This is the commitment we're going to need from the
22:32
Speaker 4: committee members and the Secretary of the legs.
22:35
Speaker 3: And that's point scoring, no but to say.
22:38
Speaker 4: But for Mark Turner to come out and criticize Leah
22:41
Speaker 4: for saying, oh, you're just going to choof off in
22:42
Speaker 4: a meeting and at lunchtime break, I think was unfair.
22:45
Speaker 4: Select committees are more than that. And I've been on
22:48
Speaker 4: quite a few. I don't know if you've been on Chancey.
22:50
Speaker 6: I think so committees have their their journey and their
22:54
Speaker 6: important journeys.
22:55
Speaker 3: And I guess just to our disagreeing with my.
22:59
Speaker 6: Comrade here, we felt we didn't need an inquiry because
23:04
Speaker 6: we're already doing a large volume of work. We've had
23:06
Speaker 6: the police, we've had the police, amazing police survey had
23:11
Speaker 6: come out. You know, there is information out there. We've
23:14
Speaker 6: meet with people, we know what's going on those survey results.
23:17
Speaker 6: We're able to kind of get an understanding of where
23:20
Speaker 6: to from there.
23:20
Speaker 3: There's work as well we need to do.
23:23
Speaker 6: And this isn't a political issue here in the Territory,
23:27
Speaker 6: but there's work we need to do with the Commonwealth.
23:29
Speaker 3: Regardless of who's in power.
23:31
Speaker 6: We have what's called Anti RAY, which is the Remote
23:34
Speaker 6: Northern Territory Remote Aboriginal Investment. That's how we fund some
23:38
Speaker 6: of the remote policing. And for many years, and it's
23:41
Speaker 6: both major parties, there's been a lack of investment in
23:44
Speaker 6: remote police stations out bush and we really need to
23:47
Speaker 6: communicate that because again it's about providing a good working.
23:52
Speaker 3: Environment out in those remote communities.
23:53
Speaker 4: To attract people to go there.
23:55
Speaker 6: Absolutely, so that's what we've got to do them as
23:58
Speaker 6: a pat jurisdiction on both political sides, to actually advocate
24:03
Speaker 6: for the com off of that investment.
24:05
Speaker 1: Look, one of the other things that did pass through
24:07
Speaker 1: Parliament this week was the spitting legislation. As I understand it,
24:11
Speaker 1: so we are now in a situation where spitting on
24:14
Speaker 1: police and other frontline emergency workers. We know it's a
24:16
Speaker 1: disgusting act, but it now carries stronger penalties. That is
24:21
Speaker 1: something that happened throughout the week that legislation passed with
24:25
Speaker 1: amendments to the Criminal Code and Sentencing Act of nineteen
24:29
Speaker 1: ninety five. There were some concerns whether it sort of
24:32
Speaker 1: went far enough, because we know that it means that
24:34
Speaker 1: if you are found guilty of spitting on somebody, obviously
24:40
Speaker 1: the punishment can be longer, longer jail time if that's
24:43
Speaker 1: what the judge determines. BH. The opposition, I believe we're
24:47
Speaker 1: calling for it to be mandatory, you know, straight from
24:50
Speaker 1: the get go, if you spit on somewhere.
24:51
Speaker 5: I think part of the technicalities is that I'm not
24:54
Speaker 5: right across the technicalities, like the lawyers were pretty good
24:57
Speaker 5: at that sort of stuff, But it needs to be
24:58
Speaker 5: if you spit on someone who needs to include another.
25:01
Speaker 2: Level of aggravation. So there needs to be another offense.
25:04
Speaker 5: Included with the spitting to then.
25:06
Speaker 2: Attract that higher penalty.
25:09
Speaker 5: And really, and look, I said, I've been in the
25:12
Speaker 5: justice system Friday years and I don't think I've ever
25:14
Speaker 5: seen anyone sentenced to any more than probably six or
25:17
Speaker 5: twelve months for spitting on somebody.
25:20
Speaker 1: So I told earlier in the week by somebody who
25:23
Speaker 1: works as well in you know, as a law enforcement person,
25:27
Speaker 1: that yeah, similar situation, that when they'd been spat on,
25:30
Speaker 1: the punishment was really not much at all, and.
25:33
Speaker 5: That spitting is the absolute worst, and I've seen it
25:35
Speaker 5: in correction, I've seen it with police because it's not
25:37
Speaker 5: just the act at the time you get spat on,
25:41
Speaker 5: then you've got to wait for the test results to
25:42
Speaker 5: come back to see if you've got a communicable disease. Now,
25:45
Speaker 5: if you're made with kids, the effect that that has
25:47
Speaker 5: on your home life, like your relationship with your wife
25:50
Speaker 5: and your family changes immediately because you may have a
25:53
Speaker 5: communical disease and you don't know two months, three months,
25:58
Speaker 5: four months, six months, you get those test results back,
26:01
Speaker 5: and the stress that that puts on a family and
26:04
Speaker 5: an individual, it's absolutely the worst thing.
26:09
Speaker 2: That can ever happen to somebody.
26:11
Speaker 5: Honestly, I'd rather get smacked in the head or beaten
26:14
Speaker 5: across there with a stick than spat on at the
26:16
Speaker 5: end of the day, because at least I know I'm
26:18
Speaker 5: good to go after that once I'm fixed.
26:19
Speaker 2: But for being spat on, I think.
26:21
Speaker 6: There's unanimous agreement here that size violent, grotesque.
26:26
Speaker 4: And it has to be stopped and anyways through strong
26:30
Speaker 4: is stronger penalties. Yeah, I supported the SALP and having
26:33
Speaker 4: mandated because that would send a very strong message to
26:36
Speaker 4: anyone in this community. You know, who's who gets caught
26:39
Speaker 4: up in a fight somewhere or whatever.
26:40
Speaker 3: But I mean, I disagree we've brought in this.
26:43
Speaker 6: It's an aggravating it's saying that this is actually the
26:47
Speaker 6: job of the judiciary to review this. We've kept the
26:50
Speaker 6: definition very broad so that if someone is spat on
26:55
Speaker 6: whilst in the line of duty, and it is it's
26:59
Speaker 6: conut it's connected, you know, it's spat on them, then
27:04
Speaker 6: that is a factor to be considered before the judiciary.
27:07
Speaker 5: But sadly, because it's so open, then it's open to
27:11
Speaker 5: interpretation by the judiciary, by the defense lawyers, and of
27:16
Speaker 5: course by prosecution. So honestly, at the end of the day,
27:20
Speaker 5: I don't see a lot of change is going to
27:21
Speaker 5: happening in sentencing around spitting. To be perfectly honest, I
27:25
Speaker 5: think it was a bit of window addressing. It sounded nice,
27:28
Speaker 5: we're making some changes, but the outcomes at the end
27:31
Speaker 5: of the day for the person who is going to
27:32
Speaker 5: be the victim of being sped on, I don't think
27:34
Speaker 5: we're going to see much in a way of change
27:36
Speaker 5: because there's no immediate consequence for action. Were enough consequence
27:39
Speaker 5: for that actually?
27:40
Speaker 1: Were we in a situation though with the changes to
27:42
Speaker 1: the legislation with the spitting you know, with the spitting legislation,
27:46
Speaker 1: where the Police Association or the police consulted with on
27:49
Speaker 1: that to make sure that it was what they wanted
27:51
Speaker 1: and need it. I suppose.
27:53
Speaker 6: Look, this has been something that has been spoken about
27:56
Speaker 6: for some time. Certainly we know that we had It's
28:01
Speaker 6: been discussed in Parliament a number of times. The CLP
28:05
Speaker 6: has spoken about it. When they tried to introduce a
28:07
Speaker 6: bill to Parliament. We had our former police minister at
28:11
Speaker 6: the time out in the arena talking about it.
28:13
Speaker 3: So certainly not a new discussion.
28:16
Speaker 1: But I guess it may not be a new discussion.
28:18
Speaker 1: But is it what they wanted because fundamentally they're the
28:21
Speaker 1: ones who are being the victims.
28:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, the legislation that we're brought forward around some of
28:28
Speaker 5: the managery sentencing for assaults on frontline workers, we're out.
28:31
Speaker 5: We spoke to police, we spoke to the Police Association,
28:33
Speaker 5: and we spoke to other representatives of those frontline workers
28:36
Speaker 5: and they all supported the stuff that we put forward.
28:38
Speaker 6: In partm Well, I think look that's Bill's position. Certainly,
28:43
Speaker 6: this is something that we have spoken to people about
28:46
Speaker 6: in the community. But also acknowledging that mandatory sentencing, if
28:51
Speaker 6: you talk to the legal community, will say does not work.
28:54
Speaker 3: Mandatory sentencing doesn't work. Jailing is failing.
28:58
Speaker 6: You have to have alternative programs well for people to
29:00
Speaker 6: engage in, and filling up the prisons is not the answer.
29:04
Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a really short break.
29:06
Speaker 1: There's been a lot to take in this week, I've
29:08
Speaker 1: got to tell you. And earlier in the week, the
29:11
Speaker 1: Labor Party was certainly quite keen to push a story
29:14
Speaker 1: about a report in the NT News with the Territory
29:16
Speaker 1: government calling on the opposition leader to apologize after she
29:20
Speaker 1: was reportedly photographed campaigning with an apparent white Suprema sympathizer.
29:25
Speaker 1: Now the man who was previously seen flashing a white
29:28
Speaker 1: premust hand sign while wearing a shirt link to the
29:31
Speaker 1: far right extremist group. The man most reportedly seen then
29:34
Speaker 1: attending the colp's election night after party following the Funny
29:38
Speaker 1: Bay by election earlier this month. Another photo has reportedly
29:42
Speaker 1: also emerged showing the man posing with Miss Finocchio during
29:45
Speaker 1: the campaign. Look, I haven't seen the photo aside from
29:49
Speaker 1: what's been published in the Northern Territory News.
29:52
Speaker 4: Oh Katie, I think it's the biggest beat up ever,
29:55
Speaker 4: can't I can't vouch for any photo. I haven't seen
29:57
Speaker 4: any photo. I didn't even know that they put into
29:59
Speaker 4: two fingers together with a sign of white supremacy. I
30:02
Speaker 4: done well, but obviously.
30:03
Speaker 1: Other people do. And then let's want to go. You know,
30:06
Speaker 1: if that's the case, and he's then been photographed with.
30:08
Speaker 4: Just because someone jumps into a photograph with you doesn't
30:11
Speaker 4: mean you actually like them or he's got anything to
30:13
Speaker 4: do with you. If Lea's doing something in a campaign
30:19
Speaker 4: and people are taking photos, often people come in and
30:21
Speaker 4: can I get a.
30:22
Speaker 3: Photo police smile on face with the person? I think
30:28
Speaker 3: he wasn't just like I do you.
30:31
Speaker 4: Think it's a beat up to take the attention away
30:33
Speaker 4: from the Labor government Because kent Row is in the
30:35
Speaker 4: court right now, who was a fifth floor staffer to
30:38
Speaker 4: the Chief Minister. He's in court charged with very unmentionable
30:42
Speaker 4: and unpleasant things.
30:43
Speaker 2: Being a suspicious fellow that I am. I'm here in
30:45
Speaker 2: your keys. It seems to be a bit of a
30:46
Speaker 2: beat up this week.
30:48
Speaker 5: Let's let's look over here and let's make and call
30:51
Speaker 5: some names and people.
30:53
Speaker 2: Someone's in court for some really.
30:55
Speaker 1: Really right now, I was the former, but he was
30:58
Speaker 1: also the former president of the Labor Party. Is my
31:00
Speaker 1: understanding as well, and.
31:01
Speaker 3: That matter I'm not going to I won't hide. It's
31:05
Speaker 3: before the courts.
31:06
Speaker 6: What's alleged is absolutely disgusting, and I will call out behavior.
31:10
Speaker 3: The courts will deal with it.
31:12
Speaker 6: But as an Aboriginal person, I am absolutely disgusted that
31:16
Speaker 6: the leader of the opposition hasn't come out and apologized, because.
31:20
Speaker 3: Let's be clear. But let's be clear here, something like
31:23
Speaker 3: this is not a new concept.
31:25
Speaker 6: The Proud Boys were handing out flyers in Palmerston during
31:30
Speaker 6: the federal election. This is not a new concept. Their
31:33
Speaker 6: behavior is absolutely apparrent and.
31:37
Speaker 3: We should not be.
31:40
Speaker 2: Accepting a disagreement from the We've come out and I should.
31:43
Speaker 6: Come out, behave and denounce the Proud Boys from the
31:48
Speaker 6: CELP because that is an alleged member of.
31:50
Speaker 1: The situation here is that the situation here that this
31:53
Speaker 1: person because I don't know who it is, so, is
31:55
Speaker 1: that the situation where he is a member of the Seal.
32:00
Speaker 7: Correct, it is alleged that he is a carrying card
32:04
Speaker 7: member of the c l P. So it's unsubstancious he
32:07
Speaker 7: has been giving back to It's not I don't okay.
32:14
Speaker 7: Apparently I was called names in parliament this week too
32:17
Speaker 7: because apparently I'm in this.
32:18
Speaker 2: So cool fighter but.
32:21
Speaker 4: Apparently, well, there you go.
32:23
Speaker 5: I don't know who it is. It's all on substange
32:26
Speaker 5: it is, it's.
32:29
Speaker 6: Strategy, if it's If you think it's that much not
32:33
Speaker 6: of an issue, then it wouldn't hurt the leader of
32:34
Speaker 6: the opposition to come out and apologize for those people
32:38
Speaker 6: who have been spoken.
32:40
Speaker 4: Out and said they have nothing to do with whoever
32:42
Speaker 4: this dude is, and they don't support anything to do
32:44
Speaker 4: with this proud boy's mob, et cetera. Eta.
32:47
Speaker 2: What else can you do?
32:48
Speaker 4: It's a non issue move on.
32:49
Speaker 1: Well, also, it points to the heart of all the
32:52
Speaker 1: things that I don't like about politics, you know, in
32:55
Speaker 1: the sense that it's like, well, no, it's like a
32:58
Speaker 1: slinging of mud, and it happens all the time from
33:00
Speaker 1: both sides. And I get it, you know, like I
33:02
Speaker 1: totally get it. You want to make your opposition, whether
33:05
Speaker 1: your labor or liberal, look bad over different things. I
33:08
Speaker 1: totally understand that. And I will say that I don't
33:11
Speaker 1: know who this person is. I haven't seen the photo
33:14
Speaker 1: aside from what has been published on the Northern Territory
33:17
Speaker 1: News website. And I certainly do not agree in any way,
33:22
Speaker 1: shape or form with that kind of extremist behavior that
33:25
Speaker 1: goes you know, like absolutely is the case. But it
33:30
Speaker 1: does point to me, you know, to the heart of
33:33
Speaker 1: the things that I don't like about politics, which is
33:35
Speaker 1: that real.
33:37
Speaker 4: You know, like they playing the man instead of the game.
33:40
Speaker 4: Just get on with the game. And the game is
33:42
Speaker 4: We've got a police in a crisis mode. We've got
33:44
Speaker 4: fire service people who are desperately unhappy. We've got corrections
33:47
Speaker 4: in our.
33:47
Speaker 5: Jails, top public service walking out the door, public.
33:51
Speaker 4: Septs working out the door.
33:53
Speaker 3: That's really rude.
33:54
Speaker 6: They're not walking out the door. They have taken protected action,
33:59
Speaker 6: is absolutely. They are absolutely entitled to take protected action.
34:04
Speaker 3: So they're not running.
34:05
Speaker 6: Anywhere, could be scootering out the door taking it out,
34:10
Speaker 6: and that's they're okay to do that. There are a
34:12
Speaker 6: number of works are being undertaken at the moment in conversations,
34:16
Speaker 6: and let's.
34:17
Speaker 4: Not forget crime.
34:18
Speaker 1: I saw a video on somebody's I've seen this from
34:21
Speaker 1: overnight at Uncle Sam's.
34:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went outside Uncle Sam's. Clearly intoxicated because you're
34:26
Speaker 4: crazy trying to get it inside of the Uncle Sam's
34:29
Speaker 4: place and taken her clothes off, and then she went
34:32
Speaker 4: into the middle of the road and bloody slapt on Cook.
34:35
Speaker 1: So I who haven't seen that vision? It is somebody
34:37
Speaker 1: who you know, who is going berserk outside of Uncle
34:40
Speaker 1: Sam's and the poor lady that works at Uncle Sam's
34:42
Speaker 1: then trying to keep that person outside. Now, there is
34:45
Speaker 1: also pre vision to that which I have seen, where's yeah,
34:49
Speaker 1: where it looks as though she has fairly seriously assaulted
34:53
Speaker 1: a male inside allegedly. You know from that vision that
34:56
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know this, it's shocking stuff. And then
35:00
Speaker 1: you know it turns to her banging on cars as
35:03
Speaker 1: they're trying to class. It's exactly, it's dangerous, it's unacceptable,
35:08
Speaker 1: and it's something that we're grappling with right around the
35:11
Speaker 1: Northern Territory at the moment.
35:12
Speaker 4: That's a more important thing in our community at the
35:14
Speaker 4: moment is to get the crime and youth crime and
35:18
Speaker 4: unsociable and unfriendly behavior under control, if not eliminated, because
35:23
Speaker 4: it's doing harm to our tourism industry.
35:26
Speaker 5: And we spoke about that at length yesterday. I said,
35:29
Speaker 5: we need tourism for economy to grow. Yes to some
35:32
Speaker 5: tourist are scared to come, which is really sad to see.
35:35
Speaker 1: It is really sad to see.
35:36
Speaker 6: Now.
35:36
Speaker 1: One of the other things I want to ask about
35:38
Speaker 1: quickly before we have a bit of a break is
35:39
Speaker 1: throughout the week there was some there was some discussion
35:43
Speaker 1: about the Fuel Disclosure Bill, and I know that it's
35:45
Speaker 1: now in a situation where it's going to I believe.
35:49
Speaker 2: Sit for it has to sit from until next settings.
35:51
Speaker 5: As a proceed there's a parliamentary process, so you develop it,
35:54
Speaker 5: you introduce it, and you can't bring stuff on really quickly.
35:59
Speaker 5: It frustrates me. I'd love to be able to get
36:01
Speaker 5: something and bring it forward and get it dealt with strive.
36:04
Speaker 1: But so look what it basically, Yeah, and basically though
36:08
Speaker 1: you know, the aim of it from what I have seen,
36:10
Speaker 1: from what the COLPS said, is that the Fuel Disclosure
36:14
Speaker 1: Bill for twenty twenty two would force retailers to disclose
36:16
Speaker 1: the profit margin on fuel, which means there will be
36:19
Speaker 1: transparency on fuel profits, driving the price and the bowser down.
36:24
Speaker 1: Now it actually this bill's introduced yesterday, but designed to
36:28
Speaker 1: drive down the cost of will hopefully drive down the
36:30
Speaker 1: cost of fuel. But it's essentially the Opposition leader has
36:36
Speaker 1: said that the COLP didn't make this up. It's a
36:38
Speaker 1: clear recommendation from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, and
36:42
Speaker 1: that world oil prices might be high, but the gap
36:44
Speaker 1: between the terminal gate price and the bowser is too much.
36:47
Speaker 1: And look, I think the big concern from everybody at
36:50
Speaker 1: this point in time, no matter what happens with this,
36:52
Speaker 1: is that we know that the fuel excise is due
36:56
Speaker 1: to end I believe the twenty eighth of September, so
36:58
Speaker 1: it's really not too far away.
36:59
Speaker 5: You going to see that jump again, say yeah, Look,
37:01
Speaker 5: this was a recommendation of the a Triple C, so
37:03
Speaker 5: it's nothing new, nothing that's been made up.
37:06
Speaker 2: This recommendation come out quite some time ago.
37:08
Speaker 5: And look, if I only got to look at the
37:09
Speaker 5: fuel price around the territory at the moment to see
37:11
Speaker 5: how this may work, some of the cheapest fuel in
37:14
Speaker 5: the territory is at Adelaide River, And funnily enough, I
37:17
Speaker 5: was at Boro Lula the other week and the diesel
37:20
Speaker 5: Borrow Lula was only two dollars three, but in Darwin
37:23
Speaker 5: it was two dollars thirteen.
37:24
Speaker 2: Figure that one out.
37:26
Speaker 5: So how can fe'll be ten cents of lead at
37:27
Speaker 5: cheaper at Boro Lula when you've got to get it
37:29
Speaker 5: all the way down there.
37:30
Speaker 4: In the past, it's often been that fuel at Catherine
37:33
Speaker 4: is cheaper than fuel in Darwin when it's got to
37:35
Speaker 4: be trucked from Darwin to Catherine. So, I mean that
37:39
Speaker 4: tells me that the margins on by some superstations putting
37:42
Speaker 4: on the fuel here is excessible.
37:45
Speaker 2: It becomes like a protected market.
37:47
Speaker 5: If you look at al Springs were chance an I from,
37:49
Speaker 5: there's only the x amount of service stations in the area.
37:52
Speaker 5: You can't really shop around, and if they all collude
37:54
Speaker 5: together and keep the price at a certain level, then
37:57
Speaker 5: we the consumers don't do.
37:58
Speaker 2: So good and they sellers are doing great.
38:01
Speaker 1: Well, look, Chancey, why didn't the government do something like
38:04
Speaker 1: this rather than leaving you know, rather than the opposition stepping.
38:06
Speaker 3: In, let's take a step back.
38:08
Speaker 6: We did introduce to my fuel and te work, which
38:13
Speaker 6: enables people to find and shop around to find the cheats.
38:16
Speaker 1: It just shows everybody that everyone's sitting at the same
38:18
Speaker 1: price at the moment.
38:20
Speaker 6: I mean, Katie publishing the profits is scott to have
38:24
Speaker 6: any effect. It's not going to drive down price.
38:26
Speaker 1: Well, it will actually make territory and see though how
38:28
Speaker 1: much of a you know, how much of a profit
38:30
Speaker 1: profit those.
38:31
Speaker 3: Petrol it's going to change the price of fuel.
38:33
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it actually put some pressure on those on
38:36
Speaker 1: those outlets to keep fair If we can see exactly
38:39
Speaker 1: what kind of profit margin they've got, it would mean
38:41
Speaker 1: that every day people go, oh, hang on a second,
38:44
Speaker 1: they're making thy sense.
38:45
Speaker 6: Result in an individual who can see the profits that
38:48
Speaker 6: they're making probably be pissed off about it and go
38:51
Speaker 6: to another retailer.
38:52
Speaker 3: It's not going to drive down.
38:54
Speaker 1: What do you reckon would work? If you don't think
38:55
Speaker 1: that that's something that will work, what does the government
38:58
Speaker 1: think will work?
38:59
Speaker 3: Look?
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Speaker 6: I know that the Chief Minister has been doing work
39:03
Speaker 6: and advocating and in conversations with the A Triple C
39:06
Speaker 6: to look at and understand the landscape. We have the
39:09
Speaker 6: fuel Excise at the moment, which is the Commonwealth in place.
39:13
Speaker 6: I mean that's probably going to expire at some point
39:15
Speaker 6: and change the cost of fuel again. So there are
39:18
Speaker 6: a number of external factors that I guess as a
39:22
Speaker 6: parliament we're all going to need to work and look
39:24
Speaker 6: at But simply publishing profits is not going to change
39:28
Speaker 6: the price of fuel.
39:29
Speaker 1: I mean, should the government be trying to do something
39:32
Speaker 1: here though?
39:33
Speaker 3: You know a lot?
39:34
Speaker 1: Look, I mean the Chief Minister admitted on Monday that
39:36
Speaker 1: she hadn't even heard back from some of those fuel
39:39
Speaker 1: you know, fuel companies to the Yes, look at what.
39:43
Speaker 5: It's going to do the cost of living with a
39:45
Speaker 5: change in those fuel excources. Again, I just pull up
39:47
Speaker 5: the fuel good old petrol spy. It's a great at
39:50
Speaker 5: two dollars nine for dueseln Darwin two dollars three in
39:52
Speaker 5: Adelaide River.
39:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, that gets shruck to Adelaide River.
39:57
Speaker 5: But I said, yeah, profit margins will show people. Then
40:01
Speaker 5: having to identify a profit margin will show people. Okay,
40:05
Speaker 5: I'm getting gouged at that place. This place is not
40:08
Speaker 5: gage me. Well, I'll go over there and it draws.
40:13
Speaker 6: You want to say, you know, this is about publishing
40:17
Speaker 6: the profits is fine, we're going to This is a
40:19
Speaker 6: private market.
40:20
Speaker 3: Are you suggesting that we nationalize?
40:22
Speaker 2: Certainly not.
40:23
Speaker 3: What are you saying?
40:24
Speaker 1: Well, what I'm suggesting is that the government gets a
40:26
Speaker 1: little bit tougher on this because it's impacting every territory
40:29
Speaker 1: and every day and one thing that I will say,
40:31
Speaker 1: and trust me, I wouldn't. I certainly didn't give him
40:33
Speaker 1: any compliments when he was the Chief Minister. But one
40:35
Speaker 1: thing that Adam Giles did was he stood up in
40:38
Speaker 1: this space. He listened when territorians were basically screaming at him.
40:43
Speaker 1: Pete Davies was in this chair doing this show while
40:45
Speaker 1: it happened, and he said, do you know what, we
40:48
Speaker 1: do need to have a petrol summit. We do need
40:50
Speaker 1: to have a closer look into this. We do need
40:53
Speaker 1: to try our best to help everyday people because they're
40:56
Speaker 1: the ones that are upset about it. Not Bloody the
40:58
Speaker 1: CLP or not me, it's everyone. I mean, I'm upset
41:02
Speaker 1: about it.
41:02
Speaker 3: I think we all are.
41:03
Speaker 6: We are starting to see a downward trend of fuel
41:06
Speaker 6: pricing now. But certainly we'll work with our federal colleagues
41:12
Speaker 6: and the Commonwealth because this is an issue that's affecting
41:15
Speaker 6: us nationwide, so there has to be a nationwide response.
41:19
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take a very
41:20
Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four
41:22
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was in
41:25
Speaker 1: the studio with me. This morning, Bill yan Keesier, Purican
41:28
Speaker 1: Chancey Paig. Now, look, before we wrap up this morning,
41:31
Speaker 1: I do want to say that I know you guys
41:33
Speaker 1: have certainly felt that there's been a notable absence from
41:36
Speaker 1: the Parliament this week with Robin Lamley away. We know
41:41
Speaker 1: that her and Craig and their daughter Alice will be
41:44
Speaker 1: holding Harry's farewell on Monday. I know it's an incredibly
41:48
Speaker 1: tough time for the people of Alice Springs and for
41:51
Speaker 1: everybody who is friends with that family. Yeah, a really
41:56
Speaker 1: tough time.
41:57
Speaker 3: I certainly think.
41:58
Speaker 6: I know that Bill and I will be going to
42:02
Speaker 6: the service on Monday to pass on our condolences, and
42:06
Speaker 6: it's been a really difficult time for many people in
42:09
Speaker 6: the territory. I mean, home is Alice for Robin and
42:14
Speaker 6: the family, but right across the territory there's been a big,
42:17
Speaker 6: big time of reflection and sadness.
42:20
Speaker 3: You know up here at the dar Darwen Cup. I
42:23
Speaker 3: know that Robin and the family were all here sharing
42:26
Speaker 3: in that.
42:26
Speaker 6: So I think it's been really particularly quiet in Parliament
42:29
Speaker 6: this week really noticing and then missing Robin. We might
42:32
Speaker 6: be completely other sides of the political spectrum, but she's
42:36
Speaker 6: got a big heart, and I think our thoughts and
42:39
Speaker 6: prayers go out to her all.
42:40
Speaker 4: Heart's broken at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we are all thinking of Robin and Craig
42:45
Speaker 1: and their family. We are going to have to wrap up.
42:48
Speaker 1: As always, I really appreciate you all joining me in
42:51
Speaker 1: the studio.
42:52
Speaker 2: Bill Yeah, thank you, great to be here again.
42:54
Speaker 1: Good to see you. Kesier Puric, thank you as always.
42:57
Speaker 4: And if people are interested in high level of questrian,
43:00
Speaker 4: one of our Olympians, Australian Olympians, Johnson, will be out
43:04
Speaker 4: at Friend's past Reserve on Sunday and Mond giddy up
43:07
Speaker 4: on down and what she's doing. She's she's training and
43:11
Speaker 4: giving experience to the Northern Territory School question team that's
43:16
Speaker 4: going that's been selected and she's been brought up to
43:19
Speaker 4: basically do some coaching and training. So no naysay. So
43:24
Speaker 4: if you want to want to see some fancy dresses,
43:26
Speaker 4: giddy up down to friends.
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Speaker 1: Chatsy big, thank you so.
43:33
Speaker 4: Much for your time.
43:34
Speaker 6: Absolutely awesome and just to really somebody, I just wanted
43:38
Speaker 6: some of that red sanaats in Alice Springs.
43:41
Speaker 3: Absolutely awesome and.
43:44
Speaker 6: Different trading in the horsepower and how good is it
43:47
Speaker 6: today to have three people here who.
43:50
Speaker 3: Are from outside of.
43:57
Speaker 4: Any electric cars, be one or two.
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Speaker 6: There's some pretty mean looking machines and when you pop
44:03
Speaker 6: it there there's just a big battery.
44:04
Speaker 3: So we still love our eight cylinders and the smelling.
44:09
Speaker 1: Also not concerns about the petrol prices there this weekend
44:14
Speaker 1: or rubber. All right, we better wrap up lovely to
44:17
Speaker 1: have you all in the studio.
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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for you this morning.