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Gear Talk: The First of Our Cycling Gear Review Series with Aaron Borrill from Road.cc · Zone2Speak Podcast

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Now, let's get into the episode.
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Welcome to the first episode of an exciting new series of Zone2Speak,
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where I team up with Aaron Burrell, editor of Offroad CC, to dive deep into
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the world of cycling gear.
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This series is all about honest, in-depth product reviews, expert insights,
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and real-world testing, helping you make informed choices about the best gear for your rides.
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In this kickoff episode, we are not just talking tech. We're also getting to
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know Aaron's journey in cycling, his background in journalism,
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to his passion for endurance sports.
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We will set the stage for what's to come in this series and,
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of course, tackle our first round of gear discussions.
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If you are a gear nerd, an adventure cyclist, or just love to stay up to date
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on the latest in cycling, this is a series you won't want to miss.
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So, here we go. I sit down with Aaron Borrell, a journalist,
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endurance athlete, and cycling expert who has covered the sport from every angle.
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As a digital creator at Road.cc, Aaron has a deep understanding of the cycling
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industry from the latest tech innovations to the ever-changing landscape of the sport.
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This episode kicks off a series of deep dives into cycling gear,
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where we'll break down what works, what's a fad, and what every cyclist should know.
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I also dive into Aaron's journey in media, his passion for the sport,
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and his take on the latest tech shaping the industry.
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Whether you are a gear nerd, a weekend warrior, or a competitive racer,
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this series is packed with insights from someone who truly lives and breathes cycling.
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Aaron, welcome to Zone to Speak.
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Thank you, Juliana. I really appreciate you having me on the show,
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and I'm looking forward to sharing a little bit of my story and some of the
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cool gear that I get to test as a cycling journalist and racer.
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Awesome. I'm excited to hear all about it. So you've been involved in cycling journalism for years.
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How did you get into it, and what keeps you excited to stay in the industry?
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It's a funny story because I haven't been involved in cycling for as long as I would have liked.
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Obviously, I rode bicycles as a child, but I was playing other sports.
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I grew up in South Africa, so there was a lot of cricket, tennis,
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soccer. Cycling wasn't massive.
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I've been cycling since 2013. So it's 10 years, 11 years, somewhere around there.
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And it was only in 2012 when I started at one of the magazines I worked for,
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which was a car magazine.
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I'm also a former motoring journalist.
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And at the time, all my colleagues were riding bicycles and they kind of peer
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pressured me into getting a bike.
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Didn't know what I was getting myself into.
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But yeah, the bug bit really hard. and the rest is history.
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I got into cycling journalism in 2016.
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So the company I worked for, Topcar, was part of a massive publishing house
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and they had the license for Bicycling Magazine.
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So it was Bicycling Magazine, South Africa, which was in the office next door to ours.
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And there was a position that opened as digital editor. I applied for the job.
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I got the job. and yeah i've been involved
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in cycling mainstream cycling journalism ever
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since and as a journalist i've been
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i've been writing about all sorts of things with wheels since for for 19 years
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so i've got experience on both sides of the fence anything with wheels i've
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even worked in kind of corporate communications for the cape epic i did a one-year
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stint there oh cool which was pretty fun I prefer content creation, though.
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I left there after a year because I was itching to create things.
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But it was a nice experience, and I enjoyed that.
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But what keeps me excited is probably the innovation and the tech developments,
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the new bikes and the products.
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There's always something new being created, and this forces us to move with
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the times, even as a journalist.
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And that's both on and off the bike.
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Everything is getting faster, the bikes, the races, even media production.
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And I just enjoy the speed and the intensity of everything.
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Yeah, it's incredible, but at the same time as a cyclist, and it's just so hard
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to choose gear, to choose the right bike, the right size, the right setup.
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So of course, it's amazing to have, you know, you and channels like road.cc
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that we can go and try to figure it out a little bit.
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So so how does it work like at the channel how like do brands and stuff for you guys to.
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Review test or you of
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course trying to keep up with the industry you go and get those things
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or you contact the brands how does it work yeah it's
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a combination of the two obviously at road cc we've
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we've been around for a long time now we've got
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a sizable presence and we're kind of a
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trusted authority when it comes to all things cycling so
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a lot of the brands will contact us and because
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we are tier one media publication we're on
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sort of the a-list if you want to call it that so
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when new products are being launched we are
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contacted either going to attend the launch
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or being sent the product ahead of time so that when the embargo lifts
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we can have our tests done etc but then there are also products that we request
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personally and that that that could be like a startup brand or a brand that
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perhaps hasn't thought about contacting us i mean if there's something that
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needs to be reviewed we will review it but we're in a pretty special.
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Space where where we get a lot of the
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brands contacting us first okay okay
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that makes sense being a mix of the two and
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so gravel and bikepacking and
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donor cycling have exploded lately
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what do you think is driving this shift
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and where do you see this going yeah i
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think i think it's the freedom of doing something different
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i think the pure racing side of things has
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always dictated where the sport has gone and there's always been
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a massive focus on on power and speed
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and performance and the pro peloton it's a cutthroat place you either need to
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succeed or you get eaten up very very quickly and it can be a hard tough place
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for riders and I think endurance and gravel cycling has created a new avenue for these riders but.
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And obviously that's pertaining more to the pro side, but I think also as general
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enthusiasts for the sport, it's also given another offshoot for us to explore.
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I also think the rise of social media and content creation and to a certain
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extent, even the cycling influencer, it's given these athletes a new path to take.
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And we're getting different people becoming authorities on the same sport.
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So it's not the same people and the same riders telling us what we need to do.
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The other people, everyday people, you know, your neighbor next door can now
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actually be an authority on the sport and show people what it's about and bringing
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more people to the sport we all love.
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And I think we're seeing this among the amateurs and the pro riders and cycling
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is becoming more about adventure and the discovery than the breakneck speeds
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and power that you need to be able to compete at the best. And I think that is shaping the future.
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You don't have to be a pro. We just need to embrace the culture and the lifestyle.
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And I think the rest will all fall into place.
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Yeah, beautifully said. Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
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I it's one of the things i love about endurance cycling
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or gravel it's just like you don't need to be a pro you don't need to be the
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strongest you don't need to be the fastest you can and it's amazing but you
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also you don't have to be you can just you know experience yourself new places
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new routes new discoveries so that's that's really cool yeah i think.
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We tend to get sucked into riding our bikes fast all the time.
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And often you kind of lose the focus and you're kind of hunting the destination
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as opposed to enjoying the journey.
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And if you slow things down a bit and kind of just tap into what's happening
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around you, you get to experience things you actually just didn't see before
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because you're so focused on your cycling computer, you know,
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trying to grab that segment and not looking around.
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There's a lot of nature you can take in, there's animals, there's things you
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can see and you just need to enjoy it more and just like dial things back a bit.
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A hundred percent yeah I used
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to be more competitive but now I just really
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enjoy I mean and even taking it easy is not easy you know
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like you have to push a bike a lot of times the bike has
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bags you have to plan your nutrition you
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know like where you're gonna supply for food and
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for water but even though
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it's still a challenge it doesn't matter what speed you go it it
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i am really enjoying just you know quote-unquote stop and smelling the flowers
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sometimes literally yeah it's nice i was at the migration race i think three
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years ago and it was so fast and i don't think i was last you know maybe middle of the pack,
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but I really wanted to enjoy seeing all the animals, you know,
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like you're in the middle of the Masamara,
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when am I going to come back here? I don't know.
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I want to fully enjoy you know I want to make the money I
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pay to be there worth all the hours I have to
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finish yeah yeah that's
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special it's special the way the way the sport
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is going now and I think we don't have to focus on being the fastest and the
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best obviously there is that avenue if you want to chase that and there are
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a lot of young aspiring riders who want to go that route and there's nothing
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wrong with that but there's also other avenues and I think having these avenues
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we're going to get different kind of riders coming to the fore.
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And I think cycling is in a pretty special place at the moment that affords
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riders these opportunities.
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Yeah, yeah. You can be anything, you know, you can be the fastest,
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the strongest, or you can be the red lantern and have a great time or not even be on a race.
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So, of course, for myself, I want to be strong, but I want to be strong so I don't struggle.
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I just want to be able to be all day on my bike and still feel good.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
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So someone like you that tests and reviews a lot of gear, what's the most exciting
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tech or innovation you have seen recently?
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Okay, I wouldn't say it's exciting. I'm probably going to be sort of drawn and
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courted by my colleagues for saying this, but it's something that I didn't realize
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the significant impact in terms of my riding.
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And I would say it's a move to wider tires and tubeless technology.
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So if we look back a decade, thinner tires and harder tires was always considered the fastest.
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Some riders still think this, but comfort and compliance is trumping this train of thought.
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It's been proven on rolling road tests, on the wind tunnel, and even athletes
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racing events like unbound gravel, Cape Epic, cross country,
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cyclocross, and even road.
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Everyone's embracing sort of this notion of wider tires and lower pressures.
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And the reason for this, a lot of people don't understand this,
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and the reason behind this is that the more the tire can deform over the surface
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and maintain a solid contact patch, the better the grip and the power transfer.
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This also improves the comfort. It prevents the tire from skipping across the
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surface, and ultimately, it's not going to slow you down as much as you think
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it's actually going to make you faster.
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So i think the more we can embrace and kind
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of get out of this mindset where everything has to be
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thinner and harder it's not it
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is not faster this is even i've even experienced
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this in time trialing because i do a lot of time trialing too
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in the united kingdom it's it's massive
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yeah coming from south africa time trialing wasn't big
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at all when i first moved here five years ago
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i just couldn't believe what was going on it's a huge culture like time
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trialing and and and yield climbing and what i
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found when i first started doing the time trialing i was
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using 23c to 25c tires now
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i'm on 28c which kind of sounds counterproductive
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counterintuitive but that's i'm going
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the fastest on thicker tires with lower
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tire pressures so that that is an innovation that
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is actually accessible to everyone and it's not expensive if
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you want to go faster you don't need the lightest bike you don't need the best
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shoes the best kit start on things like your contact patch which is a tire and
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you can just experiment work with wider tires work with lower pressures and
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eventually you're going to find a sweet spot for you and for your waist and
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you're going to go faster and you're going to thank me later.
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Wow i think that's really really good a piece of information because like you said it's affordable,
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it's reachable, anyone can do that, change it today.
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I thought it was more because,
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of thicker tires it won't
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make you slower but i didn't know he actually can make you
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faster yeah yeah exactly it's
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just about improving that comfort and if you
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think about it if you if you set up
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your gravel bike and you're running tubes even and
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your tires are too hard not only are
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you going to spin out or we will spin up
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a steep incline you're not going to have that purchase the tire isn't going
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to be doing what it's designed to do it's called
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traction it's called grip and you
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need to the only way you can enforce that is by finding a
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sweet spot tire pressure that works for you and tires
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are designed to increase that contact patch between
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the tire and the surface increasing friction and
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that's going to help with grip it's going to help with comfort and it's probably
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going to lessen some of the vibrations you get coming through your bike
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especially the people that are riding gravel who aren't possibly using a suspension
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fork up front your first line of suspension on any bike are your tires actually
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and then you can look moving into suspension etc but i reckon wider tires and
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lower tire pressures are the way to go.
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And i think i'm stating the obvious but the
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tire pressure can also depend on the
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cyclist's weight right because a lot of people come
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to me and say like oh what what's your tire pressure well i can
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tell you but we're different weight so
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we might not work for you the same tire pressure i.
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Mean there's a lot of online calculators i
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think zip has a very impressive online calculator which
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can get it's almost perfect for your weight but
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it's not a hard and safe rule you
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have to experiment a bit and you know
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something something riders often forget is that
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your tire pressures vary from front to back
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so i tend to run a softer tire pressure on the front because
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that is what's giving me my control and my grip and
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i'll have a slightly higher tire pressure at the rear because
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most of my weight is transferred at the rear so it's
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just about finding that balance and seeing what works for
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you i always recommend once
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you've found something that works for you try and try and
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map out a little route given that there's a forest
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around you or some kind of course and set a
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little base time of maybe over a one kilometer circuit and
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start with a harder tire pressure move your tire pressure slowly
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down let some air down after each run and just
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see what worked for you you'll be surprised like that control and
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comfort you get to dial in especially for the corners the faster
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you go around a corner the faster you're going to go pretty much so yeah and
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the tire pressure will i want to say obviously but i'm not sure change from
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gravel to termac yeah so you should adjust there as well i think termac you
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do a little bit more tire pressure yes.
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100%. And talking a little bit about your journey, you have competed in some
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endurance events yourself.
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What has been some of your most memorable experiences on the bike?
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Tell me a little bit more about your journey overall.
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Okay, so I've now done hundreds of races, probably hundreds, I'd say.
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And to give a little bit of context, when I first started, I wouldn't say I
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was horrendously unfit or overweight, but I wasn't cycling fit.
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I was around 85 kilograms. I'm now 61.
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So it was like a 20-odd kilogram difference.
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And that's just from the bike. I don't do any gym work.
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I just ride my bike seven days a week, 365 a year.
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Wow. And then I improved just by being exposed to a greater stimulus.
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So the harder the rides and the stronger the riders around me, the faster I got.
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I started on a coaching plan about eight years ago just to see what that was about.
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And over a few years, you kind of get to know what works for you and what doesn't
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work for you. So you don't really need to use that plan anymore.
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And I kind of have a good idea of what works for me and what doesn't work.
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But in terms of events that stand out for me, number one is the Cape Epic.
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It's an absolutely savage race.
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I've also done Outroute Alps, which was quite a hard road race.
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And I've also competed in a lot of cycling e-sports events, like on Zwift and my wish.
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I've done three world championships on that, UCI World Championships. Nice.
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Really really hard but all three all three of these races are hard and tough
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for different reasons the for the cape epic for argument's sake it's it's the
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culmination of the intense heats the terrain and the toll these two realities
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take on the body for eight days so you kind of.
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Sleeping in tents in a race village, the temperatures range from 35 degrees
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to 45 degrees Celsius. So it gets really hot out there.
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There's lots of sand. There's crazy thorns. There's wild animals.
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It's a strong battle with your mind.
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So you've got to be physically fit, but you've got to be mentally strong too.
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Because on paper, the stages look a lot easier than they are in reality.
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So you're looking at between 60 and 80 kilometers a day with 2,000 to 4,000
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meters of climbing on like unriders.
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On a mountain bike. This is not road race. If someone doesn't know what Cape
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Epic is, it's a massive mountain bike race in South Africa. Yeah.
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Yeah. They call it the Tour de France of mountain biking just to get a bit of
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content. And you do it as a pair as well, right?
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So you also have to work together with your team. So it's kind of,
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you need to manage your partner and you can only, you technically only as fast as your partner.
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So there's a, there's a crazy dynamic involved and it's, yeah,
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I've managed to do two of those.
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So it's very, very special race.
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Oat Roots I did in 2019 when I moved over to Europe from South Africa in the
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UK, it was something I always wanted to do and aspire to, to do it.
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It's very different. is very different to the racing in South Africa because
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the road race in South Africa, it's much shorter distances than in Europe.
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You're doing like between 18 and 100 kilometer races with not a lot of climbing.
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But Haute Root, it's between three and seven days and 120 Ks with just ridiculous
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climbing, like 4,000 meters of climbing.
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So it poses a different challenge. It's a beautiful race. It's hard for different reasons.
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I wouldn't say Oatroot's tougher than the Cape Epic or the Cape Epic's tougher
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than Oatroot they both have their pros and cons in terms of what the demands on the body.
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I loved both those races, and I'd love to go back to do them again.
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In terms of eSports, it's something I got into in 2017.
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I had a very serious crash on the bike where I went down in a Peloton.
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Oh, sorry to hear it. Oh, it was absolutely horrible.
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Usually in a race when I crash, I get up and I get on the bike straight away.
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And after the crash, I think we went down at about 40 to 45 kilometers per hour.
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I got back on my bike or tried to pick up my bike and I knew immediately something was wrong.
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And what had happened was I dislocated my elbow.
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So my two forearm bones were up into my bicep.
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So my arm just looked really weird and I couldn't straighten it. Oh my goodness.
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And I found out that I had actually fractured my radius as well on the same arm.
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And it was in a very remote area just outside Cape Town in South Africa.
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And I had to wait four hours for an ambulance out in the cold.
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Oh my god it was it was a
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horrible absolutely horrible accident but
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it kind of i was off i was i
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couldn't ride outside for a few months and were
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you alone or someone stopped and stayed with you my wife
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was doing the race too and she was in the ladies
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race and they started like a few minutes back
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and she said she she actually said she saw the crash unfold she said she just
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saw bicycles and men flying through the air and she saw me on the side of the
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road and she's like look you're more important to me than this bike race and
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she stayed with me try to kind of help me i just told her to switch off my car and.
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But i had a bike accident once and i thought it was so funny because i completely
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forgot about my bike and this guy came and he's patting my head and he's just like your bike is okay,
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I was like oh thanks I had forgotten completely about it At that point I didn't
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care either I've never experienced this much pain before in my life Because the paramedic on sight,
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That stabilized me, or what he thought was stabilizing me.
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And he asked me to kind of bend my arm up. So my arm was like dislocated and straight.
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And then he bent my arm, which caused all the bones to rub.
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That like dropped my heart rate. I nearly passed out.
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Eventually, when I got to the hospital and they needed to do x-rays,
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they needed to straighten my arm. So they had to straighten it. Again.
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I was swearing. i wasn't i wasn't the nicest person
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to be to be around but after that
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i discovered zwift that was
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in 2017 and i use that as
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like a rehabilitation tool but i didn't really
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get into the racing side seriously until
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2020 with with lockdown etc and then
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things just went out of control if you want to
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call it in terms of my obsession with
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it i still use it as a training tool because it's so it's just
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so good it's a controlled environment you can hit
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your numbers yeah you don't have to worry about cars weather
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yeah yeah you still you're kind of still around the family so you're not losing
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too much time in that that that regard and it's efficient and quick and i joined
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a team in 2020 they wanted to start racing and we had to do performance testing and.
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Verification or whatever and that kind of ramped
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up and when we started getting better going into the pro-am races and
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when the uci cycling esports world champs
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were announced you could either qualify or your
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federation could select you i didn't
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make it through the qualifiers but i was selected by south africa
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they made me captain of the squad and
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that was in 2022 same thing happened in 2023
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and 2024 so i'm very much involved with
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that i'm the federation representative too
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so i'm just trying to educate riders
27:23
trying to make sort of fairness and equality and kind
27:26
of just showing people what they need to do if they want to race at the highest
27:29
level it's really hard it's really hard racing it's some of the hardest stuff
27:33
i've ever done you don't need bike handling skills so it's the power needed
27:36
the power needed and just the the mental anxiety when leading up to a race because
27:42
you're going to do like hype videos and weighing videos and you're going to
27:45
validate all your equipment.
27:47
It's really, really hard, but it's something I do enjoy. It's.
27:52
I reckon it's a discipline on its own. Obviously, it's got some teething issues.
27:57
It's still in its infancy and a couple of things they still need to sort out.
28:00
But, yeah, in terms of races I've done, I'd say UCI Cycling Esports World Championships
28:08
is up to heaven with the KPF in terms of the sheer pain involved.
28:13
Yeah, yeah. I've seen it on, I think sometimes it's streamed on YouTube and
28:19
it's really cool to watch.
28:21
But yeah i think it requires a different level of power and also mental strength because,
28:29
you are standing still whatever you are in your living room or a studio,
28:35
you don't have the right i mean you have the writers virtually you can see them
28:39
but it's just a different mind game yeah you don't have that external sort of
28:44
stimulus you don't of people around you yeah tearing you or yeah yeah yeah it's
28:50
yeah it's uh yeah it's something.
28:53
That's mostly done in isolation although they have
28:56
started bringing in live events and live venues which
28:59
has kind of changed the sport and i think we're going to see more of that going
29:03
forward but yeah it's a completely different completely different discipline
29:07
there's a new challenge that i'm looking forward to though um in terms of slightly
29:11
there's this cool gravel stage race that has been launched in South Africa.
29:16
I don't know if you've heard of it. It's called Gravel Burn.
29:18
Yeah. The Gravel Burn. Yes, I think the creators of Cape Epic created Gravel Burn. Yeah.
29:24
I want to get to Gravel Burn. Yeah, it sounds amazing. I think it's... How many days?
29:29
It's seven days. Seven, yeah. Seven days. 850 kilometers.
29:34
Straight over seven days. For the pro riders, there's a $150,000 US dollar prize purse.
29:40
And it's going through remote spectacular
29:43
gravel terrain that i don't think anyone
29:46
in europe and the rest of the world have any idea
29:49
what what's out there you're going to get to see wild animals
29:53
you're going to get to see rhino elephants giraffe buffalo
29:57
magical magical yeah there's amazing campsites there's
30:00
there's age group racing it's not a team it's
30:03
not a team event so you don't have to ride as a partner just because
30:07
because it's going to be high speed and you're going
30:09
to be in a peloton racing like rubbing shoulders
30:12
with riders i think the idea of perhaps
30:16
having team aspect there could cause problems if you're looking back for your
30:20
partner and someone in front of you slams on your brakes it's a it's a difference
30:24
it's a completely different kettle of fish but i think this is something that's
30:28
going to catch on so are you going i'm going yeah yeah i'm so tell us yeah,
30:34
Oh, my gosh. I want to get an entry.
30:36
It looks amazing. I have also a friend who is going.
30:42
There's no bad day on a bicycle, usually, unless you crash, I guess.
30:47
But one of my favorite...
30:51
Writing and core memories are in
30:54
africa i mean i loved like the migration
30:57
race in kenya i did race around rwanda
31:00
in rwanda i did some bike back in tanzania on my ironman days i did the ironman
31:06
in south africa so it's just africa is truly truly special you're very familiar
31:12
with the place yeah it's uh well it's so vast i feel like i don't know enough
31:16
i really want more you You know,
31:19
it's a very unique place and it's culturally so diverse.
31:25
What you get to experience there, you can't, I mean, Europe is beautiful.
31:29
It's beautiful for different reasons,
31:31
but there's a raw kind of element to Africa. It's raw. It's rough.
31:37
But it's beautiful. You don't get the same sunsets as you do in Africa.
31:43
And it's just, yeah, there's a rawness that I really appreciate from that place.
31:48
Yeah, I appreciate that too. Wow, I'm so jealous now. Gravel burn.
31:55
That's your answer. Yeah. Is there anything else besides tire that you think
32:04
it's breaking out in the market now that you think it's going to be a breakthrough?
32:12
I mean there's there's a lot of train of thought around
32:15
bringing suspension into gravel
32:18
so whether that's in the seat post
32:22
in the top tube into into
32:25
the c-tube intersection or physically putting in
32:28
a small 80 millimeter suspension for on
32:31
on your bike to me i i think
32:34
that is just a fad at the moment why not
32:37
just ride a mountain bike if that's what you want exactly
32:41
my thoughts yeah the whole idea
32:44
about a gravel bike is taking that similar riding
32:47
position and speed that you get on a road bike and
32:50
being able to do that on a different surface and enjoying that
32:53
off road whether whether you want to embrace the all
32:56
road all road nature of it where you can just ride
32:59
your bike on the road and if you want to take a different path
33:02
home you can turn left and go through the forest so be it um yeah i think i
33:07
think the frames have more comfort dialed into them and there's a lot more compliant
33:12
than the bikes we were using just a few few years ago when gravel was still
33:17
in its infancy and yeah i think for me the the the path forward is,
33:23
tires other than that i mean.
33:28
I think the way that they've improved or the brands have improved braking performance
33:33
through disc brakes is phenomenal.
33:36
What SRAM has done with the new red access, the brakes are just absolutely amazing.
33:43
The modulation through those levers are unreal. I mean, you can powerfully brake
33:47
in the drops or on the hoods.
33:51
Couldn't really do that before, but there's just so much feel within the stopping
33:55
power that you shouldn't have any issue. And I think they made the levers smaller
33:59
as well, because before it was so big, like I'm not a big human, so it's hard to reach.
34:06
Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of people out there who have an issue with SRAM in general.
34:12
They say that they don't appreciate the shifting issues they have,
34:16
or the hood design was too chunky.
34:19
But SRAM works phenomenally well when it's set up by an expert.
34:24
Don't tinker with that on your own and
34:27
expect it to work get it set up by an expert you're not going
34:29
to drop a chain and yes perhaps the previous
34:33
generation red force and
34:36
rival had slightly chunkier hoods but
34:39
that's that's been addressed especially on red it's a beautiful shape it's a
34:44
lovely interface to rest your hands on now the lever just is superb and they
34:48
changed the piston position within the lever that's why now you can brake from
34:53
the tops and also in the drops which is pretty cool.
34:58
I'm glad they're taking the feedback and making changes,
35:03
it's quite powerful I tried the other day, I don't remember which one it was
35:08
but I had to rent a bike on a work trip and I used Ram for the first time I'm
35:14
like, oh, actually I like it Yeah.
35:17
Sometimes we get stuck on what we know.
35:21
Yeah, I mean, I'm a firm believer that we're in a place in time where there's
35:27
no such thing as a rubbish product.
35:30
Everything actually is at a good level and everything is good.
35:33
It just comes down to personal preference now.
35:36
Shaman is fantastic. It looks good. It's understated. It works.
35:40
It's got a good reputation.
35:41
But SRAM is also on the same level. their drive trains are possibly their group
35:47
sets are possibly more attractive in terms of the aesthetics the way they bring
35:51
in contrasting shades of silver metallic surfaces just yeah.
35:56
Ornate details it looks really good and for certain
36:00
bikes i would perhaps lean on pairing
36:03
it with the shram group set just just for aesthetic merit
36:07
whereas a different bike i want something more
36:10
understated so i'm going to go shimano or campagnolo so
36:13
it's it just depends it's a good point yeah they're all
36:16
pretty much on the same level of course
36:20
there's going to be small little hiccups and
36:23
fine-tuning issues across all of those group sets but
36:26
at the end of the day it comes down to preference
36:29
and perhaps just something
36:33
that's been used within your family or your friends for years
36:36
so if your yeah if your father was using shimano he's going
36:39
to tell you i only use shimano you need to use shimano this is junk that is
36:43
junk you need to try things i i always i always say to do everyone don't don't
36:51
knock it before you rock it or or try before you buy you know just yeah before
36:55
you have something negative to say about something.
36:58
Try it out. See if it works for you. Because the chances are you didn't give it a chance.
37:03
Yeah. And if you didn't try, how can you say bad things about it? You just don't know.
37:07
Of course, I'm in a fortunate position because I get to try absolutely everything.
37:13
But then at the same time, the advice that I give, people can trust it.
37:18
Because I've got a lot of stuff I'm testing.
37:21
My house is underbikes. You don't want to know what things look like on the other side.
37:27
Pretty rough. And I was going to ask, what are you riding then?
37:30
I've got a lot of bikes at the moment.
37:32
So the bike I'm testing, I was actually going to mention at the end when we
37:38
go through some of the tech.
37:40
But it's a Cube Lightning. Okay.
37:43
I may as well chat about it now and then we can chat. Yeah.
37:47
So it's called a Cube Lightning C68X SLX. It's a bit of a mouthful.
37:53
So it's a Cube Lightning C68X SLX red axis. There's a lot to take. Wow, yes.
37:59
And it's a brand that I think has been living in the shadows for a long time.
38:05
It's a German brand. It's not something that you associate with performance
38:09
or even cycling in general, which is a bit of a shame because it's top-notch stuff.
38:15
I think they are a little bit more in spotlight in triathlon.
38:22
I mean, they are used in the World Tour, in Tamarche. Yeah.
38:28
They've won some stages with Bimini Gourmet. So it's out there.
38:33
It's just it's not getting the recognition it deserves.
38:37
I think current riders who have been with a particular brand for a long time,
38:43
they tend to stay with that brand.
38:45
And then riders coming up, your younger riders, they want aspirational stuff.
38:50
So they want specialized Cannondale, Trek, Canyon. And they don't want the cube,
38:56
but they need to get the cube.
38:58
And the reason for that is the value for money is absolutely unbelievable.
39:04
Okay, so this particular bike, it's top of the range.
39:08
It's 6.4 kilograms. I mean, it's lighter than the UCI limit.
39:14
Obviously, you can make it heavier if you need to, but it's 7,500 pounds.
39:19
So you could buy two of these bikes For a Specialized S-Works SLA Or Cannondale
39:25
Super 6 Lab 71 You can buy two of those bikes,
39:28
and it's it's it's fully loaded it's got absolutely
39:31
everything super light it's the climbing version
39:35
so you do get an aero version of this bike but this is the climbing version
39:38
so it's super light it's there's so
39:41
many color ways to choose from and if
39:44
even the wheels they've got a brand it's called newman wheels the.
39:47
Valves are hidden within within the rim
39:50
walls so there's aero valves you
39:53
need a special tool to inflate them so there's there's crazy little
39:57
bits and pieces and small details within this bike but that
40:00
is that's a special bike i'm busy reviewing it now it's
40:03
going to be that review is going to be live on on road road.cc
40:07
probably in the next two weeks i'm just
40:09
finishing okay yeah but i mean it's the the
40:13
guys that i ride with it's open their eyes they they
40:17
cannot believe the value for money you can get and it's just i
40:20
mean it's just cannot believe people would rather spend
40:22
double the money and go for a brand when
40:26
they're going to have just as much fun if not better fun on
40:29
the cube lightning what what a great brand honestly really
40:33
good well that's good to know and what is the advantage of having
40:36
the oh my god now it's blinking oh
40:39
it's a valve yeah i think there might
40:42
be i mean is that an aero canes yeah
40:46
i think it's an aero advantage we
40:49
probably need to get that tested in a wind tunnel just to
40:52
just to see the actual reasoning behind that but it was yeah when the bike first
40:58
arrived i i was i wanted to pump the pump the tires up and i couldn't find the
41:02
valve so i was like what is going on here and then yeah so it's got a little
41:06
cover over the valve that you can lift it was a little like a rubber grommet.
41:11
And even if you don't have the special adapter you can you
41:15
can if you take your bicycle pump and you just remove the head you can take
41:18
the rubber hose and just squeeze it over okay it's just it's just a another
41:22
talking point really i mean you yeah you know you're on the the right coffee
41:27
stop and you're talking about bikes and it's almost like where are your valves
41:30
you know it's something yeah something to talk about it's one of those things.
41:35
Yeah, very cool. Yeah, I think people should look more into,
41:38
you know, what can you get for your money.
41:41
But again, it's so hard when you don't understand.
41:44
But people are spending a lot of money on big brands, which are wonderful.
41:49
I used to have an S-Works and I loved it. But it's just like,
41:52
like you said, it's so much money that you're paying for the brand.
41:56
And you could get something equal value. It is a good bike. But,
42:00
I mean, if you're now spending 50% less, think about all the other things you can actually get.
42:07
You can get new shoes, new cycling computers, new kit, new pedals.
42:11
You can look into getting the wider tires I spoke about. There's all sorts of things, yeah.
42:17
Speaking of which, there's also something I've just got on test.
42:20
I had to wait a long time for these because these were custom-made for me. Wow.
42:26
The listeners probably won't see this, but I wanted to show you. Oh, yeah, the Nibble.
42:31
Yeah, Nibble XSeed Ultimate Glide Road Shoes. These are a sexy shoe,
42:37
really sexy shoe. Very, very expensive.
42:40
Handmade, right? Yeah, yeah. 465 pounds. I think it's around 500 euros.
42:45
So it's not pocket change.
42:48
Yeah. But yeah, I think it's really cool with the BOA LI2 dials.
42:53
You can get it in three colors. It comes in white with gold boas,
42:57
white with silver boas, or the black with the gold.
43:01
I thought about the black because I like a black road shoe.
43:06
In England, I don't know why, maybe one of the listeners can comment on this,
43:12
but regardless of the weather, white shoes, white socks, white helmets.
43:17
That's what they're like. Same here in Gidrona. It's like….
43:20
You can only wear white shoes and white socks. And, you know, I'm a black sheep.
43:23
I do have the black because I'm like, I don't want to get, you know,
43:26
especially on the gravel. I don't want to get all dirty.
43:29
Exactly. You're going to ruin your socks. I mean, you can use your socks and
43:32
then they're trashed. That's it.
43:34
I'm waiting for the right weather to take these shoes off for the proper test.
43:39
But I mean, it's for me, when I look at shoes, because it's one of three contact
43:45
points with the bike. So you've got your bum with the saddle,
43:50
you've got your hands, and then you've got your feet.
43:52
I think feet are the most important because that's powerful.
43:55
You're transferring the power, yeah.
43:57
Exactly. So there are three aspects when it comes to the shoe for me personally, and it's comfort.
44:02
Without comfort, the shoe is useless. You can throw it in the trash.
44:05
Then there's performance. And
44:07
this comes through the fit, the retention system, and the sole stiffness.
44:13
And then it's the weight of the shoe. So that's the sum of all the parts put together.
44:18
So in this case, with this shoe, I think it balances everything,
44:22
all three attributes well together.
44:24
So it's a comfortable performance shoe and 190 grams, just to give you an idea.
44:30
It's like, wow, weighs absolutely nothing. Nothing. Air.
44:34
Yeah. That's beautiful. I mean, it's got a carbon monocoque sort of sole chassis,
44:40
as they call it. Replaceable heel pad.
44:44
Yes, you can race in this. I don't think I'll race in this just because knowing
44:48
my luck, I'm going to end up on the ground again and I'll trash my shoes.
44:52
So I'll put these through. It's gorgeous.
44:56
Yeah. I will put these through the ring and do a proper test,
44:58
but these will be for special days. I don't want to mess these ones up.
45:03
Yeah. And I would love to hear more about it once you test it,
45:07
if it's worth every penny that it costs. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
45:10
Of course. And then there's something else that arrived for testing,
45:13
which has been quite polarizing, not just among our tech team.
45:19
Cyclists as a whole and it's the wahoo element
45:22
ace yes tell me about
45:25
which is quite a big boy for for scale
45:28
that's a wahoo element rome wow it's much bigger and then here's here's an iphone
45:36
so it just shows you the sign it's quite a it's big and it's heavy right but
45:41
there's a lot more to this computer than meets the eye and there's a lot more to it than those two,
45:48
attributes i think cycling has become too obsessed on performance and weight savings,
45:54
and why who has pretty much given the middle finger
45:57
to this because they think this is what
46:01
cyclists need particularly i think your adventure bikepacking cyclists.
46:04
Right so they've created a product for everyone
46:08
you can use it if you if you're a professional or
46:11
someone who enjoys the performance side of cycling i don't
46:15
think those cyclists will just because just because of
46:17
the weight it's i think it's around 200 grams
46:21
210 grams something around there so it's not it's not light
46:25
it's not light but it's not massively heavy it's not
46:28
massively heavy um the the
46:31
screen is really good it's crisp and clear so if you
46:34
someone who needs really clear navigational prompts
46:38
this is the device for you it's really good yeah
46:41
the brightness i think is not
46:44
on par with your garmin
46:48
sort of 1040s or your hammerhead caroose
46:51
but it isn't something that's going shouldn't shouldn't
46:54
put you off the product it's compatible with all
46:57
existing wahoo mounts but the
47:00
slight issue is that if you
47:02
want to fit this on your existing wahoo mount on your
47:05
bike it's not going to fit because oh because the
47:08
length yeah it's really really long so you either need to use the supplied mount
47:14
which is not going to work with every bar because some people have integrated
47:19
bar stem setups but you can get things aftermarket raceway sent me something
47:25
that was It's custom-made. It's slightly longer.
47:27
The support is really good. It distributes, I don't know what they've done,
47:31
but it distributes the weight evenly over that mount.
47:34
So even if you push on it, there's not much movement.
47:37
It's nice and sleek, and it kind of houses the product quite well.
47:43
This has a little party trick.
47:46
It's got a bell function, which the new Garmin has too.
47:49
But if you're riding around densely populated areas, you just hold the screen in and it's pretty loud.
47:56
Oh, I would love that. I have a little bell on my bike, which my husband's left at me.
48:02
But I'm like, I can't, you know, because we live in Old Town in Girona.
48:06
There's so many people and so many tourists. They're like not looking where they're going.
48:10
And I'm like, so I think now this is a future I didn't know about the Ace.
48:15
So maybe I do need it because I'm also terrible with the navigation.
48:19
I have the roam, which is great and it works.
48:23
But what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong, is that on the ACE,
48:28
you can actually touch screen and move the map around, zoom in, zoom out.
48:32
That'll help me because I have, you know, if you tell me go north,
48:37
east, southwest, I'm like, no clue.
48:40
I'm clueless with directions. So it's good to be able to zoom in and zoom out and see where I am.
48:47
So it works exactly like your element Roam.
48:50
So it's got physical buttons too that work exactly as it would on your Roam,
48:53
just as that touchscreen element too.
48:57
So if you do need to zoom in, move around, or just want to use your finger for
49:00
some reason, you can do that.
49:03
So I mentioned that the mapping is as good as any other Wahoo device.
49:08
I really like the Wahoo mapping, but this particular device comes with something
49:12
called a wind sensor, which has been all the talk of the town.
49:16
It's not an aero sensor like many thought it was when information on this device was first leaked,
49:23
but rather it's an airspeed monitor for you to use so you can compare that to
49:28
the ground speed and you can improve your positioning within a pack if you really want to.
49:35
So it works. I've used it a few times It does give you an indication Where the
49:42
wind is coming from And where you can be more efficient But I think it's something
49:46
That's going to be improved over time,
49:48
It's cool now Is it going to help me now?
49:51
Probably not But I think it's something There's a lot of merit within that.
49:56
Yeah, it's a cool feature If you are that geek or that precise And really want
50:02
to be You know, any gain is a gain It sounds like a really cool feature.
50:07
Yeah. I mean, it's a really good... I mean, it's not the biggest device that has ever been made.
50:13
I don't know if you ever saw the original Hammerhead Karoo, the first one.
50:19
No, just pictures. I never had got my hands on one.
50:23
That thing was huge, absolutely huge. So this isn't the biggest device ever made.
50:29
I'm of the opinion that something like this is probably handy for...
50:35
Handier than a smaller screen. I know people go on about weight, but sometimes,
50:41
I like having a lot of metrics on my screen. I have different screens with different metrics.
50:46
And sometimes the screen is too small to accommodate them.
50:50
Whereas this, I can have a whole lot. And it's going to be crystal clear.
50:55
So for me, I'm enjoying it at the moment. And yeah, I mean, I do a road race with this on my bike.
51:02
Especially if it's the cube, that's 6.4 kilograms. I mean.
51:05
Exactly. So you compensate there. Yeah.
51:09
Yeah. And the other thing I thought about, you know, I need reading glasses.
51:12
So when I'm in my computer or looking at my phone, I need reading glasses.
51:16
So of course on the bike, I cannot wear reading glasses because I need to look where I'm going.
51:22
So I was thinking maybe the ACE, because it's a little bit bigger.
51:25
If I don't have as much data there, it might be easier for me to read.
51:31
I, on the Rome, I can read everything, but it's because I know where the data
51:37
is, you know, I know where my, you know, but if I am to read the legend of each
51:43
power, not power output,
51:45
like at each data, I wouldn't know what it is, but because,
51:49
yeah, because I'm familiar with my setup, I know, so I don't need,
51:52
but I think the ACE would be good for me and anyone that has struggles, you know, to read.
52:01
I mean, it's not cheap. It's kind of up there for your common 1040s.
52:06
In British pounds, it's like 550.
52:09
So I assume it's going to be, what, 580 euros, maybe even close to 600. 600, yeah.
52:16
It's quite an investment, but it's something that's going to last.
52:18
And they're always rolling out different firmware updates, and they're pretty on top of it.
52:23
I think it's going to be pretty good, to be honest. I like it a lot. Yeah.
52:28
Awesome. So glad we talked about this because, yeah, I mean,
52:32
when I had a problem with Wahoo before that I was on an endurance,
52:38
it wasn't a race, it was like a rally, and my Wahoo just wouldn't turn on.
52:43
And I freaked out. I mean, this can happen, right?
52:47
And then that's when I thought about the hammerhead. I was like,
52:49
maybe I'll get the hammerhead. It's bigger, colorful, like the map, whatever.
52:54
But then wahoo was wonderful when i told them they were like no worries we'll send you a new one,
53:00
yeah so it's it's very good brand yeah
53:03
it's it's that it's that level of after sales support
53:07
that keeps people loyal to a brand you know
53:10
yeah and mine was old like wasn't in the warranty or
53:13
anything they didn't ask anything they're like here it is that just
53:16
shows you the character of the brand and what they're willing to do to retain their
53:19
customers which i think yeah it's volumes so yeah that's
53:23
pretty cool there's something else i'm also testing it's
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more on sort of the indoor side of things so it's the
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zwift ride okay i know
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there are a lot of people out there who think you know
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there's no point having something dedicated for
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your indoor setup you know it's not going to use a kicker bike
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or a watt bike or whatever they're just going to bolt their bike on
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the trainer and that's that and i'm fine with that i i do that too but i've
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also got this on test and it's kind of opened my eyes to the other side so here
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you've got a bike dedicated to zwift so it's only compatible with zwift you
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can buy it as a frame only that's about 800 pounds,
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or as a bundle so it comes as the frame it comes with the frame and a wahoo
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kicker call and that boosts the price up to 1200 pounds around there.
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So what's cool about it is it's heavy, of course. I mean, that's going to happen.
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But that weight makes it really sturdy. So it's a solid platform from which to pedal.
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It's made from a really hard-wearing material.
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So it's not going to get destroyed by sweat and corrosion.
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I've had some terrible things happen to my handlebar bolts and parts of my bike
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just from sweat over time.
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You don't realize that it's proper corrosive. Yeah.
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Yeah so you if you
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buy the if you buy the zwift ride as a bike only
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it's only compatible with a certain amount of
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aftermarket trainers so it can be the wire kicker core the wire kicker b5 v6
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there's a couple of elite trainers too but to make it compatible you need to
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buy the zwift cog which is almost like a single speed cog that you fit onto
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the freehub and the bike just works so So it's essentially a single speed,
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but it's got virtual shifting in-game. So it's got the full range.
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Full range. It's got the Zwift Play controllers built in.
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So you can navigate through the game, get people right on, operate your power-ups.
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You can do everything from the controls. You don't need to lean onto your computer
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and press the space bar or whatever. You can race on it if you want.
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It is sturdy, but if you're a crazy sprinter with insane power,
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is going to kind of rock from side to side.
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So I think if you're an elite racer, you're probably better off with a kicker
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bike or your personal race bike on a smart trainer.
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But if you're a recreational cyclist, someone who enjoys to exercise,
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someone who's serious about cycling, I would go for the Zwift Ride.
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And what's nice about it is you can adjust it so you can have a setup for yourself,
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your husband, your child.
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Oh, wow. And you can move the handlebar reach, you can raise the stem, you can...
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Drop the saddle, increase the saddle. So in that regard, it's something that
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I think certain families who possibly struggle for space and they can't have too many setups.
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You can have one setup for the whole family and it works really well.
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Yeah, that's really cool.
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Also, you don't have to buy different trainers and also you don't have to be putting in your bike,
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taking off your bike and then put it on the wheel and then go for a ride and then take it off,
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put it back on the trainer plus the sweating factor
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that you mentioned i i would love something like that for
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my for my pain cave yeah there's there's
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a lot of people who don't mind taking the bike off the trainer putting
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it back on i don't have any problem with someone
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who does that i've i've done that for years and i'm
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someone who enjoys that kind of setup especially for the
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elite racing side of things but if yeah if you're
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if you're a family and you're in a smaller space than some other people and
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you want to maximize your space and you
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want the whole family to use the same setup i would
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go for that it works really well and yeah it's easy to wipe
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down and clean and it's just it's just something something different
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i think swift are leading the charge when it comes to these things i know some
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some can argue that it's possibly overpriced or they're just trying to lock
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people into their platform but most most of most of the riders out there are
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are using swift it's more of a sort of social community based platform and that's
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what most of us enjoy really yeah it's fun when you see you know a friend or
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you go on the same rides but you don't need to be in the same,
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room the same country and you.
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What's the problem of them wanting to lock in people in their platform?
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That's the business. That's what they should do.
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So, yeah. Yeah, so those are the things that have been very interesting and
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that have come through the doors.
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There's a lot more coming in the next weeks. And there's probably other things
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that I'm still busy testing that I can't talk about right now,
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which I will be able to in the coming weeks.
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So those are some special things, too.
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Great. I want to highlight a few of the things that we discussed now.
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All right. I love the mystery. I am so excited that we are chatting and we're
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going to have this special edition with a few series of whatever it's coming your way to test.
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Any listener or anyone watching, if you want to shout out and ask any questions
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or ask about the product, I'm sure Aaron would love to share his view. So let us know.
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Yeah, please. I hope that we get some questions and even if it's about some
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of the events we discussed or something about Gravel Burn or Cape Epic or eSports
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or racing indoors or any of the products that we've touched on now.
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If you have questions or you want to know about other products or future products
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or things that we can maybe discuss in more detail, please get in touch.
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I'd love to talk about those things.
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Awesome. Well, Aaron, thank you so much for your time.
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And I'm very excited to release this episode and chat with you again in the
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near future when you have more to share with me.
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Of course. Thank you very much. And again, I really appreciate being part of
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this podcast and look forward to doing many more. Thank you. Awesome.
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