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12/12/2024 Ask the Lawyer with Tom Peyton · WCHS Network Podcasts

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Speaker 5: t Inn Peyton Lawfirom dot com. Tom, Good morning, how
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Speaker 5: you doing this morning?
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Speaker 6: Great? How are you doing? Man?
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Speaker 5: I can't complain it's not quite as as wet outside
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Speaker 5: as it was yesterday. I don't mind the cold weather, but.
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Speaker 6: The little chill, you know, it is a I don't
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Speaker 6: haven't been doing my traffic report because it's gotten really
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Speaker 6: smooth getting yeah right, yeah, and you got the usual.
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Speaker 6: I think I could just you know, record and replay
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Speaker 6: between seven thirty and eight thirty. Uh, traffic is bogged
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Speaker 6: down Exit one fifty eight at the Virginia Street. Actually
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Speaker 6: it's the same thing every single morning. Every time. Actually
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Speaker 6: it was going pretty smooth. It just you know, you
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Speaker 6: get a little log jam there every single morning. I
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Speaker 6: will say, in the left lane as you're approaching Mantrass
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Speaker 6: heading east, there's like a patch of ice. Cool, so
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Speaker 6: the far left lane just watch out because my car actually,
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Speaker 6: you know, you feel almost like a hydroplane feeling, So
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Speaker 6: be careful out there. You got a you have a duty,
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Speaker 6: legal duty to drive reasonably under the circumstances, including weather, circumstance.
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Speaker 5: And four wheels slides as easily an ice as two wheels.
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Speaker 6: So it's just I'm all, well, drive and I still
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Speaker 6: moved a little bit, just a couple of inches, but
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Speaker 6: you could feel it. Hopefully, Uh, it'll just melt when
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Speaker 6: the sun gets up and that'll be the end of that.
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Speaker 5: But uh, there's always amazing in Michigan. When I lived
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Speaker 5: up there, that the first know of the year. Here's
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Speaker 5: people that's lived in this their entire lives for the
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Speaker 5: most part. You know, I wasn't native there, but most
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Speaker 5: people you assume are. And every morning the first snow storm,
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Speaker 5: ditch ditch ditch, that's just people in ditches. There is
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Speaker 5: like slow down, that four whel drive is not keeping
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Speaker 5: you on the road.
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Speaker 6: Well, they probably are having fun running through the ditches. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: I guess about plenty of snow. I know, glad to
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Speaker 6: be here today. A lot of news going around, kind
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Speaker 6: of a sports we got to talk, you know. Being
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Speaker 6: a basically a lifelong season excuse me, season ticket holder
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Speaker 6: at w UH, I was really thought we'd have a
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Speaker 6: coach secured before last night, but now we got Rich
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Speaker 6: Rodriguez coming back. So that's uh, you know, I'm on
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Speaker 6: I don't do social media other than Facebook, but you
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Speaker 6: get getting uh, opposite viewpoints from die I mean, I mean,
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Speaker 6: I don't know how many w fan groups and you
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Speaker 6: got people it's going all the way from I'm never
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Speaker 6: going to another game to this is the greatest, you know,
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Speaker 6: higher we could make and we'll see how it falls out.
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Speaker 6: It's a I'm I'm kind of excited about it. I
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Speaker 6: think it gives us. First of all, we've had Neil Brown,
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Speaker 6: who's it seems like an overall good guy but kind
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Speaker 6: of mild mannered person. I think we'd all generally agree
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Speaker 6: at least that's how he conveyed himself to the public.
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Speaker 6: And so now we have what I think we kind
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Speaker 6: of need right now, which is the opposite somebody with
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Speaker 6: a bunch of fire.
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Speaker 5: And rich tweeted last night when he when he announced
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Speaker 5: that he took the job, and he did his own
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Speaker 5: social media thing. The hashtack he used was hard edge
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Speaker 5: all right good. So you know, I think that if
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Speaker 5: that's indicative of what and if the team reflects the coach,
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Speaker 5: you could look at the Mountain, your team in the
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Speaker 5: last six years and say that team sort of reflects
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Speaker 5: Neil Brown, for good or bad. If you like what
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Speaker 5: rich Rod brings to the table, I'm ambivalent. I just
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Speaker 5: went what for you to win? So I mean, I
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Speaker 5: didn't really care who they hired. I just want him
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Speaker 5: to win.
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Speaker 6: It's football and altimate that's going to be the difference.
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Speaker 6: And obviously it is the difference because you see coaches
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Speaker 6: that have character issues, have problems leave programs, and then
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Speaker 6: if there's a probability they're going to be able to
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Speaker 6: invigorate a program and win games, they get hired back.
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Speaker 6: And that's kind of where we got. You know, when
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Speaker 6: Rich Rodriguez left in two thousand and seven after six
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Speaker 6: really good years, you know, I was angry like most
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Speaker 6: other not your fans, but it's because I still remember
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Speaker 6: the year before, being at our office Christmas party, and
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Speaker 6: it's looking on the TV and on the bottom line
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Speaker 6: of ESPN it said Rich Rodriguez to Alabama. And then
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Speaker 6: when he turned that job down, you know you really
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Speaker 6: just thought, you know, he's one of us, he's sticking around.
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Speaker 6: Then you had the opposite happened at the end of.
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Speaker 5: The dominoes that fell there though, like if what if
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Speaker 5: Rodriguez would have gone to Alabama? Could Eban have gone
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Speaker 5: to I mean, honestly, I mean you never know what
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Speaker 5: could have happened. So they hired Sabing instead of uh yeah,
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Speaker 5: from Michigan State. Yeah again, I was in Michigan when
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Speaker 5: it happened. Hired Hi from Michigan State. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: And then so after that you think, oh, he's going
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Speaker 6: to stick around, and then you just have the fallout
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Speaker 6: with the Pitt Loss and then him just you know,
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Speaker 6: it was all kinds of allegations of the minutia of
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Speaker 6: him moving to Michigan and whether it was some underhanded
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Speaker 6: things happened. And then actually we kind of got back.
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Speaker 6: In two thousand and seven, we were doing a blog
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Speaker 6: for WV Metro and it was a legal blog and
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Speaker 6: we did it for about a year. But that one
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Speaker 6: I did one around that time because if you recall,
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Speaker 6: Rich Rodriguez refused to pay he had a buyout clause
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Speaker 6: in his contract. And what it happened is after the
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Speaker 6: Alabama attempt to hire him, they renegotiated his contract and
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Speaker 6: extended it just like that. I think it finalized right
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Speaker 6: before football season started. And within that, I think at
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Speaker 6: the insistence of some red or large donors or at
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Speaker 6: least one they I think maybe doubled his buyout clause
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Speaker 6: or something. Anyway, it went to four million dollars, which
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Speaker 6: back in two thousand and seven was a heck of
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Speaker 6: a lot offty Yeah, yeah, And so he was balking
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Speaker 6: on it and saying he didn't need to pay it
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Speaker 6: and actually buyout clauses or what you would call liquidated damage.
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Speaker 6: His clauses are interesting, dynamic, and so that's what the
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Speaker 6: blog was about. Because you can't generally, you can't have
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Speaker 6: a quote penalty clause in a contract. So if you
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Speaker 6: come work for me, and you know you're making a
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Speaker 6: reasonable living and a regular employee, but we have an
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Speaker 6: employment contract, you know, we can't just say yeah, but
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Speaker 6: if you leave here and try and go work somewhere else,
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Speaker 6: or you quit, you got to pay me five hundred
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars. Let's say you were only getting paid fifty
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year or something like that. So generally
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Speaker 6: that type clause in a contract is void. It it's
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Speaker 6: deemed a penalty clause. It doesn't have any relation to
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Speaker 6: necessarily your value, your work, or what would happen to
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Speaker 6: my business if you unexpectedly quit. Now, those are generally void. However,
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Speaker 6: you can have liquidated damages clauses. And that's where in
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Speaker 6: our same situation, depending on what business we're in, and
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Speaker 6: that hypothetical I provided, perhaps if you leave, I am
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Speaker 6: putting a squeeze and there'll be financial consequences to me,
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Speaker 6: just like if a coach left at a higher level
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Speaker 6: program like West Virginia, it's going to cause some consequential damages.
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Speaker 6: There's going to be some damages that are incurred, some
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Speaker 6: financial consequences, maybe damage to goodwill and if that those
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Speaker 6: kind of damages are almost impossible to predict. But you
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Speaker 6: know there's going to be consequences, then the parties, generally,
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Speaker 6: if they're professional it's a commercial deal transaction, can agree
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Speaker 6: because we can't predict the damages for sure, we'll all disagree.
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Speaker 6: If this scenario happens, then you just pay us four
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Speaker 6: million dollars and that's a liquidated damages clause, and that
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Speaker 6: made sense in this situation. So my blog ultimately had
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Speaker 6: my opinion at the end, which was he's going to
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Speaker 6: end up having to pay this. And they were in court,
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Speaker 6: I think Tom Flawherty was representing the university and then
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Speaker 6: coach Rodriguez had somebody out of Ohio representing him and
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Speaker 6: it went around about a little bit, but it settled
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Speaker 6: within a year and he paid the full four million.
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Speaker 6: But it was interesting because you know he's going to Michigan.
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Speaker 6: They're involved in the lawsuit as well, because they've got
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Speaker 6: some kind of arrangement with Rodriguez to pay a part
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Speaker 6: of it if he has to, and pay his legal fees.
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Speaker 6: And so we actually got I guess, because it got
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Speaker 6: out on the internet. We got the Detroit Free Press
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Speaker 6: got a hold of our blog, and so that was
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Speaker 6: actually they're at it. It was some kind of editorial,
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Speaker 6: but it was critical that we didn't know what we're
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Speaker 6: talking about down here, including me some lawyer who said this,
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Speaker 6: And so I got some satisfaction when only a few
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Speaker 6: months later it wasn't a court ruling, but it was.
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Speaker 6: This attlement involved paying one hundred percent of the buyout,
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Speaker 6: maybe with a slightly different uh time for anyone installment
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Speaker 6: payments versus four million dollars all at one time. So
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Speaker 6: he ended up having to pay it, which wasn't any
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Speaker 6: I thought it was a pretty easy prediction to make.
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Speaker 6: He actually entered the same type of clause I think,
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Speaker 6: in the same amount with his new contract at Michigan,
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Speaker 6: so it's kind of hard to argue it's not enforceable.
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Speaker 6: And then he had some other verbal you know, claiming
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Speaker 6: that there was some verbal representations made to him that
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Speaker 6: weren't in his contract.
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Speaker 5: What if he used his buy out at Michigan ultimately
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Speaker 5: to make good his his penalty at WPU, because I
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Speaker 5: think they had to pay.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he may have paid it all by then.
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Speaker 6: It was like a two or three year probably payout time.
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Speaker 6: But uh but yeah, I don't know that he had
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Speaker 6: to Well that's right, so they I don't know what
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Speaker 6: they bought him out for. And of course he's had
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Speaker 6: some character issues, you know, went to after that, was
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Speaker 6: an analyst for a while. One went to Arizona and
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Speaker 6: did pretty well there for a number of year and
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Speaker 6: had a.
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Speaker 5: One of their only two ten win seasons in the history.
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Speaker 6: Of program personnel scandal, bad judgment. Then he I still
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Speaker 6: I think he was offensive coordinator for Old Mess at
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Speaker 6: one point. And yeah, but he was up in the booth, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: and they had a camera up there and he's having
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Speaker 6: one of his temper tantrums, literally tearing up the booth.
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Speaker 6: You know, I think that's been six seven years ago
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Speaker 6: or maybe longer, but you know, it's been seventeen years.
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Speaker 6: The man's sixty one years old right now. I think
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Speaker 6: somebody with he understands that kind of underdog mentality that
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Speaker 6: when w plays with that, we tend to do well,
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Speaker 6: we have to play with a chip on our shoulder,
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Speaker 6: and I think he understands that being from here, and
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Speaker 6: he can kind of incorporate that better maybe than Neil
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Speaker 6: Brown was able to do. And I think he also
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Speaker 6: has a even though things have changed a lot, and
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Speaker 6: since it's kind of a new thing his type of
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Speaker 6: offense in the early two thousands, he still has a
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Speaker 6: pretty dynamic offensive scheme. And I think that hopefully in
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Speaker 6: the new era of wide open transfer portal, we'll be
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Speaker 6: able to get some recruit to his scheme. Yeah, really
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Speaker 6: talented players maybe for at least the skill positions. And
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Speaker 6: then and you know, over the last even this year,
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Speaker 6: going into it, you know that there was some limitation
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Speaker 6: and what we were going to be able to do
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Speaker 6: with Neil Brown. I think this gives us a you know,
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Speaker 6: it's as a season ticket holder, I'm more excited going
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Speaker 6: into this year with this higher than I would have
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Speaker 6: been or or have been going into seasons with Neil Brown.
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Speaker 6: So we'll hope. He's sixty one years old definitely shakes
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Speaker 6: the cage. So he's obviously still a fiery coach and
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Speaker 6: a fiery personality. You would think in seventeen eighteen years
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Speaker 6: that and being sixty one years of age, perhaps some
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Speaker 6: maturity and maybe a little better judgment.
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Speaker 5: It's really off the field stuff that I hope he
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Speaker 5: has better judgment. I don't really care as long as
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Speaker 5: somebody's not tearing up a press box. I don't really
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Speaker 5: care if somebody shows a motion on the sidelines, as
11:53
Speaker 5: long as they're not getting into players or anything like that,
11:55
Speaker 5: that's right. Yeah, But I don't want to see. I
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Speaker 5: don't want to hear any of the personnel stuff. It's interesting.
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Speaker 5: I can't disclose all of it, but I was I
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Speaker 5: did see with my eyes a thread from a former
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Speaker 5: prominent w player under Rich Rodriguez, and I think a
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Speaker 5: lot of that era players and stuff like that were
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Speaker 5: making a huge push for him to come back. I
12:10
Speaker 5: think there might be like a delineation between people that
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Speaker 5: started to become Mountaineer fans around that time as far
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Speaker 5: as age and stuff goes. Maybe people that go back
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Speaker 5: a little further as far as their thoughts on Rich Rod.
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Speaker 5: But it was an interesting thread in that this person
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Speaker 5: was making this, this former player was making the point
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Speaker 5: that under the way that college football is today, this
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Speaker 5: is the only high that West Virginia could make where
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Speaker 5: the guy could come in. He doesn't ask to have
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Speaker 5: to ask where the best place is to eat r
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Speaker 5: he doesn't have to ask directions to get around town.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't have to do any of that stuff. He's
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Speaker 5: ready to go to work the transfer portal basically the
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Speaker 5: moment he hits the ground. He doesn't have to learn
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Speaker 5: any of the other.
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Speaker 6: Stuff that's right, and he knows the lay of the
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Speaker 6: land as far as fans and things around here. And
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Speaker 6: and I haven't heard the details. I heard rumor, but
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think is the financial package he's getting
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Speaker 6: is pretty reasonable to w I think maybe some horse
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Speaker 6: trading there about getting some more money to get an
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Speaker 6: NL and get players or something. But I think it's
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Speaker 6: not some astronomical amount that they needed.
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Speaker 5: To pay and something that's interesting today. And I don't
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Speaker 5: know from a legal standpoint if if this is interesting
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Speaker 5: to you, I guess that it's completely above board. But
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Speaker 5: it's just odd when you have somebody that's a celebrity
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Speaker 5: like Pat McAfee who's out there talking about throwing money
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Speaker 5: into the NIL trust and everything, the insinuation because rich
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Speaker 5: Rod was his guy. The insinuation being maybe it would
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Speaker 5: be a little more if his guy got hired, you know.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's a wild place that we're in right now.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is now. I didn't I saw some headlines,
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Speaker 6: but I didn't see the Pat McAfee show or hear
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Speaker 6: it or read articles about it. But I saw he
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Speaker 6: was kind of pushing for that, and I think he's man.
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Speaker 6: There's a couple of really maybe really big donors that
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Speaker 6: wanted Rich rod back. I'm not sure he was our
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Speaker 6: first choice. I mean it took longer I thought probably
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Speaker 6: we'd have.
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Speaker 5: I think the Penn State guy might have been the
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Speaker 5: first choice.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he turned it down. I he turned it down
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Speaker 6: late last week. I think I was Readingenn State articles. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: but you know, getting an assistant again like we did
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Speaker 6: like well, I guess we got a head coach last
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Speaker 6: time from Troy, but high end assistance good. But you
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Speaker 6: still don't like I have a I have a more
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Speaker 6: of a comfort level with I trust Rich Rodriguez. Won't
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Speaker 6: you know that he will control his behavior on like
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Speaker 6: person lsus and things like that in a way that
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Speaker 6: will be better than what he's done over the years.
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Speaker 6: And if you can put that kind of character stuff aside.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think he's he's going to build a
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Speaker 6: lot of excitement and be the best fit probably for
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Speaker 6: the Mountaineers. So we'll be real interesting to see because
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Speaker 6: with the transfer portal, we'll see what, you know, who
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Speaker 6: got in it, who's going to come back and stay,
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Speaker 6: and who he can get.
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Speaker 5: And generally speaking, and I don't mean this to just
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Speaker 5: from what I've observed doing eleven years of a sports
14:41
Speaker 5: talk show in the afternoon, and people that that that
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Speaker 5: weigh on these different things. The folks that say that
14:47
Speaker 5: they're so mad that they're not going to support the
14:48
Speaker 5: team anymore because they didn't like rich Rod, They'll they'll
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Speaker 5: be there. I mean, ultimately speaking, they'll be there. And
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Speaker 5: in fact, there's gonna be an aspect of wanting to
14:55
Speaker 5: watch to see if he fails first and then if
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Speaker 5: the team starts playing, well, you're going to watch anyway.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with high end college
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Speaker 6: football winning generally. I mean I've seen a lot. I
15:05
Speaker 6: can think of multiple coaches in basketball and football who
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Speaker 6: have had as bad or worst character type issues, personnel issues,
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Speaker 6: and it just takes a little bit of time and
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Speaker 6: then they're hired right back at other sometimes major universities,
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Speaker 6: or usually they go through the same type process that
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Speaker 6: Rich Rodriguez has gone through, which go back and be
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Speaker 6: an assistant, then eventually work your way up to a
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Speaker 6: head coach at a smaller school and then then you know,
15:34
Speaker 6: you get your second. If it appears that you have
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Speaker 6: a good chance of winning a lot of games, then
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Speaker 6: not much seems to stop these large universities from hiring
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Speaker 6: these coaches back again. And so you know, I but
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Speaker 6: I had the same you know, if it was twenty ten,
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Speaker 6: I would have been absolutely against it. But now being
15:55
Speaker 6: seventeen years time cures some things. And uh, and I
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Speaker 6: just hope he's matured. And I think with that if
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Speaker 6: he has, and I think he's a great fit for us.
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Speaker 6: So I'm looking forward to next season.
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Speaker 5: One thing is that's for sure, if he gets West
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Speaker 5: Virginia anywhere near like a conference championship or ranked in
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Speaker 5: the top fifteen or something like that, suddenly Westvirgiana is
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Speaker 5: going to be everywhere again, because that's gonna be a
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Speaker 5: huge national story. You're going to see interviews with like
16:15
Speaker 5: Pat White, nohen Schmidt everywhere. I mean, it's like, if
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Speaker 5: he actually does well, it will be good for the
16:19
Speaker 5: university just because of the momentum of that type of
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Speaker 5: media story.
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Speaker 6: That's right, And now you have you know, back when
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Speaker 6: you know, the twenty seven season, you had to finish
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Speaker 6: one or two and then of course it's been four
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Speaker 6: the last few years.
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Speaker 5: But now twelve, we've been sixteen with the playoff.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they might go yeah, they might go more
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Speaker 6: than twelve.
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Speaker 5: You know, right, they are going to sixteen, you know, oh,
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Speaker 5: they eventually I think two year or something like that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean, you have a lot of opportunity there.
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Speaker 6: You don't have to play in essence perfect, a perfect season,
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Speaker 6: which is almost what we had to do or get lucky,
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Speaker 6: you know, the right dominoes have to fall to.
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Speaker 5: If you've got a loss or two to get your back,
16:54
Speaker 5: you lose that pick game. Today, you're still in the conversations,
16:56
Speaker 5: you're making the plays.
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Speaker 6: In there, and actually you just got to win your
17:00
Speaker 6: conference and you're in so you know, normally, unless something
17:03
Speaker 6: weird happens in these other conferences. Ever, take the Big
17:06
Speaker 6: twelves champion as far as rankings, but yeah, it's gonna
17:09
Speaker 6: be gonna be good. Hopefully we won't be doing any
17:11
Speaker 6: legal analysis on his contractor it comes soon, but it
17:15
Speaker 6: was interesting one back then.
17:16
Speaker 5: So there's so much stuff going on and we're just
17:18
Speaker 5: talking this morning. Tom and Harvey both like to talk
17:21
Speaker 5: a little bit about local sports from a w An
17:23
Speaker 5: Marshall and UH, and of course we're we always like
17:26
Speaker 5: having those conversations. However, if you do have a legal
17:28
Speaker 5: question this morning, we're you know, if you want to,
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Speaker 5: I guess spit something about w View, but more on
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Speaker 5: that you can call. And that's and that story is.
17:48
Speaker 5: Whatever you think about rich Rod, It's maybe not a
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Speaker 5: feel good story, but it's at least there's not really
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Speaker 5: any bad connotations to that story. Right now, there's a
17:56
Speaker 5: lot of other stuff going on in the state that's
17:57
Speaker 5: kind of wild right now. The UH, the delegate in
18:01
Speaker 5: waiting that yeah, he's not going to make it.
18:04
Speaker 6: I heard that Jeff Jenkins talking about that on the
18:08
Speaker 6: news this morning, and so we have a I guess
18:11
Speaker 6: he's he was elected but hasn't been sworn in yet,
18:14
Speaker 6: but maybe he was had some meetings already in preparation
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Speaker 6: for the for the legislative session coming out. But it's
18:21
Speaker 6: a Joe DeSoto. I think he's up from Martinsburg, I believe,
18:26
Speaker 6: but I guess overnight or yesterday. I think the arrest
18:29
Speaker 6: was after midnight maybe, And this is anecdotal, meaning I
18:34
Speaker 6: haven't seen the criminal complaint, but apparently he's making some
18:39
Speaker 6: kind of threats allegedly against some other members of the legislature,
18:43
Speaker 6: and so I don't know what happened during their meetings
18:45
Speaker 6: and whatnot, but it was it was serious enough threats
18:50
Speaker 6: that he was arrested, and I think as much he
18:55
Speaker 6: was on So when you you can go to the
18:56
Speaker 6: Regional Jail, it's actually the Department of Corrections web site
19:00
Speaker 6: now because the Regional Jail authority is gone. It's all
19:02
Speaker 6: into the Department of Corrections. But you can see what's
19:04
Speaker 6: called daily admissions there. I know a lot of people
19:07
Speaker 6: go to mugshots dot Com and stuff like that, but
19:09
Speaker 6: you can It's just one of the tabs I click
19:12
Speaker 6: every morning for various reasons to see who's and I
19:14
Speaker 6: click on Western Regional in South Central regional, but you
19:17
Speaker 6: can see who has been arrested sent to the local
19:23
Speaker 6: regional jail. There are no county jails anymore. There are
19:26
Speaker 6: all these regional jails and who has not posted bond yet,
19:29
Speaker 6: and they're generally their picture unless there's a problem with
19:32
Speaker 6: the website and some basic information about the charges what
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Speaker 6: county misdemeanor, felony, pre trial, they will show up there
19:40
Speaker 6: in the daily admissions section. You don't search their name.
19:44
Speaker 6: You just see everybody that's been arrested and sent to
19:48
Speaker 6: jail after midnight but has not posted bond yet. So
19:51
Speaker 6: I think he was up on maybe it's the Eastern
19:54
Speaker 6: Regional Jail website overnight. Now I understand he's not up
19:58
Speaker 6: there any longer. So that means he's probably being uh
20:03
Speaker 6: sent before a magistrate. They do a lot of those
20:05
Speaker 6: remotely now through closed circuit television. But that initial arraignment
20:11
Speaker 6: is where the mage will set a bond amount, and
20:14
Speaker 6: so they they maybe it's something where he they've transported
20:16
Speaker 6: him out of the jail physically and or maybe they
20:19
Speaker 6: set a bond it's low and they know he's he's
20:21
Speaker 6: getting out it's imminent, or somebody's got severe mental health problems.
20:26
Speaker 6: Sometimes they can be sent to a mental health facility.
20:29
Speaker 6: Because I'm not sure about this when it seems a
20:32
Speaker 6: little based on the story we're here, it's it's it's
20:36
Speaker 6: a little maybe there's some mental health issues there or
20:38
Speaker 6: something like that going on. But yeah, I think there
20:40
Speaker 6: was another member of the legislature who, like, I mean,
20:43
Speaker 6: the threat was so real that there was action taken too.
20:46
Speaker 6: Terroistic threats of family and things like that. Yeah, and
20:49
Speaker 6: it's you got to be you know, I've had some
20:51
Speaker 6: cases like that. We've had some well, yeah, there are
20:55
Speaker 6: there are there's a terroristic threat statute. I don't know
20:57
Speaker 6: how long it's been there. It's it may have been
20:59
Speaker 6: something that was after like nine eleven and that kind
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Speaker 6: of thing. But like especially for young people or kids
21:05
Speaker 6: who just willy nilly stuff on social media and things
21:08
Speaker 6: like that. But if you I mean, I've had cases
21:10
Speaker 6: where a large company that's uh, maybe frustrating to deal
21:14
Speaker 6: with if you have an issue. I've had clients call
21:19
Speaker 6: and make you know, I'm glad Dad and and hang
21:24
Speaker 6: up on them. Now, I know from talking to that
21:27
Speaker 6: client where I think from talking to them that they
21:29
Speaker 6: were never really going to take any action. But you
21:32
Speaker 6: say that on a phone call and it's recorded where
21:34
Speaker 6: you know, I'd like to come down there and just
21:37
Speaker 6: blow up your buildings. You know, that can be a
21:39
Speaker 6: criminal charge. That can be a felony. So you know,
21:43
Speaker 6: you just have to be real careful. Now if it's
21:45
Speaker 6: if it's in jest and it's obvious, then it's not.
21:48
Speaker 6: I mean, some of there's some intent element there, but
21:52
Speaker 6: but yeah, that's that's you know, it doesn't take a
21:55
Speaker 6: whole lot for you to say or type if that's
21:58
Speaker 6: the case used to be, you could there was, so
22:00
Speaker 6: there still are. There's some like stalking type harassment criminal statutes.
22:05
Speaker 6: But then they've got this terroristic threats one now and
22:08
Speaker 6: it's it's I forget what takes that from a misdemeanor
22:12
Speaker 6: to felony. There's definitely a threash, but it can be
22:14
Speaker 6: a felony because I've had it. I mean that situation
22:16
Speaker 6: I just went through, I mean that was a felony
22:19
Speaker 6: charge and it got worked out. But in my client's
22:22
Speaker 6: thing was while I was never really going to do anything. Yeah,
22:24
Speaker 6: but when the call was recorded and there was you know,
22:28
Speaker 6: the tone with which this person was speaking certainly could
22:33
Speaker 6: have been viewed as this is a real threat. This
22:35
Speaker 6: isn't just somebody popping off. It's blowing off some steam,
22:39
Speaker 6: for example, And so you got to be I don't
22:42
Speaker 6: know if you have to be careful, just don't do
22:43
Speaker 6: stuff like that.
22:44
Speaker 5: We had a situation where a caller called in here
22:47
Speaker 5: and it got elevated to harassment. I actually had to
22:51
Speaker 5: testify in the case because the guy was calling in here.
22:55
Speaker 5: It was harassing with sort of implied threats but not
22:58
Speaker 5: any direct threats. Never got up to that level of
23:01
Speaker 5: like terroristic threats or anything like that, but it was harassment.
23:03
Speaker 5: He got ultimately convicted, and then I think he got
23:05
Speaker 5: let out because whatever.
23:06
Speaker 6: Genterally the phone harassment statue, that's I think that's always
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Speaker 6: a misdemeanor if it's under that statute, not to the
23:13
Speaker 6: point of terroristic threats. So that would be like calling
23:16
Speaker 6: somebody really for the purpose, no other purpose than to harass.
23:20
Speaker 6: And that can be not just messages left or what said.
23:24
Speaker 5: It can be the number of calls forty seven times
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Speaker 5: in eighty minutes.
23:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, for example, Yeah, you know, I've had I've had
23:30
Speaker 6: a case where you hear the swatting thing these days.
23:34
Speaker 6: That's where some person reports to the police, like and
23:38
Speaker 6: even though you're not doing anything wrong, they would say, oh,
23:41
Speaker 6: there's a hostage situation in Dale's house or something, and
23:45
Speaker 6: then the swat team shows up and you know, nothing
23:47
Speaker 6: ever really happened. I had, you know, I've had at
23:49
Speaker 6: least one over the year. It's been a long time
23:51
Speaker 6: ago where somebody was just playing a joke, like I
23:54
Speaker 6: think they put an ad out or something, so somebody
23:56
Speaker 6: was selling X, Y and Z, and it was just
23:59
Speaker 6: made up and they said it was a joke. But
24:01
Speaker 6: the person that was the was getting all kinds of calls,
24:04
Speaker 6: and so that was the I think we worked that.
24:05
Speaker 6: They may have been dismissed because it was indirect, but
24:08
Speaker 6: I mean, the the ad this person placed basically was
24:14
Speaker 6: portraying a deal on a good that was being sold
24:18
Speaker 6: that was a really really really good deal and they
24:21
Speaker 6: weren't really selling anything. So then they were flooded with
24:23
Speaker 6: all kinds of calls and communications about the item that
24:27
Speaker 6: was especially for sale, which was all just a facade
24:30
Speaker 6: and made up and h that's kind of borderline. It
24:32
Speaker 6: was it a joke? Was it to harass and and
24:36
Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean intense in somebody's mind, but
24:40
Speaker 6: the person who was the subject of it didn't think
24:41
Speaker 6: it was a joke.
24:42
Speaker 5: What's kind of frightening. Is one of the first swatting
24:44
Speaker 5: situations I was made aware of. It was years and
24:46
Speaker 5: years ago now, but I think it it actually ended
24:49
Speaker 5: up in there being either a injury or a fatality
24:52
Speaker 5: in it from where the the unit from the police
24:55
Speaker 5: thought that there was something going on here and there
24:57
Speaker 5: was a breach into the home and then somebody tried
25:00
Speaker 5: to retaliate and they ended up getting shot. It was
25:02
Speaker 5: like this whole thing and then it almost became more
25:05
Speaker 5: popular after that. It's like people weren't like, we better
25:07
Speaker 5: not do this because of the unintended consequences. People are like, oh,
25:10
Speaker 5: maybe somebody will get shot if we sure.
25:11
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just dangerous, yea. And I don't know
25:14
Speaker 6: if there's a there's I don't know if there's a
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Speaker 6: criminal statute for quote swatting, but there certainly are criminal
25:19
Speaker 6: statutes in West Virginia for false reporting of an emergency. Yes,
25:23
Speaker 6: I haven't had one of those. I've had some misdemeanors
25:26
Speaker 6: that were not swatting type cases. It was something more minor.
25:30
Speaker 6: Maybe there's a wreck and somebody calls in something that
25:32
Speaker 6: wasn't true about how the wreck happened or something like that.
25:35
Speaker 6: But I assume there's some felony element to that. But
25:37
Speaker 6: that most people that do complicated swatting that I've seen,
25:41
Speaker 6: it's very different. They do it in a way it's
25:43
Speaker 6: just like these fraud calls or emails you yet it's
25:45
Speaker 6: they do it in a way that's very difficult to
25:48
Speaker 6: track the fact they were the one who notified long.
25:51
Speaker 5: Like the bomb threats here in West Virginia a few
25:53
Speaker 5: months ago to the school. I mean that was out
25:55
Speaker 5: of statu I think, or they thought it was. And
25:57
Speaker 5: you just can't figure out who it is is because
26:00
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Speaker 6: of wide range of things this morning, and we do
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Speaker 6: in last week that had unfortunately a spouse had passed away,
29:44
Speaker 6: and then one of these insurance life insurance companies tries
29:47
Speaker 6: to deny the claim after the fact. We handle a
29:49
Speaker 6: decent number of those. So if you have a dispute
29:51
Speaker 6: with an insurance company, auto insurance, homeowners insurance, life insurance,
29:56
Speaker 6: those are what we do a lot of, and we
29:58
Speaker 6: do a really good job that. We also do all
30:01
Speaker 6: kinds of other civil litigations, get some of state issues,
30:04
Speaker 6: a state litigation, boundary issues, property issues, things like that.
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Speaker 6: So if you have any of those issues, we just
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30:11
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30:14
Speaker 6: same time, we try and help people, so we do
30:17
Speaker 6: state planning deeds. Actually have today I've got it's a
30:21
Speaker 6: good example of what we do. So I'm leaving here
30:22
Speaker 6: and going to do a soci security disability hearing, which
30:24
Speaker 6: we're all by telephones. I'll go back to my office
30:27
Speaker 6: and do that. And we we don't do thousands of
30:30
Speaker 6: sub security disability cases, but we usually have a handful
30:32
Speaker 6: going at any one time, and that allows us to
30:34
Speaker 6: really pay attention and keep track and make sure we're
30:37
Speaker 6: getting the case prepared the absolute best you can. Because
30:41
Speaker 6: if you've applied for security disability, generally, well almost universally,
30:46
Speaker 6: you don't get it when you apply. Then you've got
30:48
Speaker 6: to ask for a reconsideration. Then you got to ask
30:50
Speaker 6: for a hearing, and that whole process can take easily
30:54
Speaker 6: two years from the time you apply, and unfortunately, during
30:57
Speaker 6: that timeframe, the nature of a disability out location is
31:00
Speaker 6: you're not working that entire time, and so, uh, those
31:03
Speaker 6: hearings are extremely important for the clients and so we
31:08
Speaker 6: like to be fully prepared and then you know, if
31:10
Speaker 6: we win. Those are contingency feeds too. So if you
31:13
Speaker 6: have a security disability case, actually and you're trying to
31:16
Speaker 6: you can do them on your own, but if you
31:20
Speaker 6: want to hire a lawyer, at least, the way we
31:23
Speaker 6: do it at our office is you know, it's contingency fees.
31:25
Speaker 6: So if the case goes through and we don't win
31:27
Speaker 6: the claim, then you don't pay us anything for our time,
31:30
Speaker 6: well for any cost that we've advanced to work the
31:32
Speaker 6: case up. The good thing is if you do win
31:35
Speaker 6: your claim, then you do get a backpay award, so
31:37
Speaker 6: you can basically take there's a five month for disability
31:42
Speaker 6: insurance benefits. There's a you got to knock off five
31:45
Speaker 6: months of your back pay, but otherwise they basically pay
31:47
Speaker 6: you a lump sum for each month that you had
31:50
Speaker 6: to wait to get your disability, depending on how far
31:52
Speaker 6: back the Sociecurity Administration finds that you were disabled. But
31:55
Speaker 6: that's how the lawyer gets paid. So it'd be a
31:57
Speaker 6: percentage of the back pay, and it's cap at a
32:00
Speaker 6: certain amount under federal law. So if you if you
32:03
Speaker 6: have a two hundred thousand dollars, well see the biggest one.
32:05
Speaker 6: I've had probably around one hundred and fifty thousand back pay,
32:08
Speaker 6: and that was a unique case because it went way
32:10
Speaker 6: way back. But for example, the fee wouldn't be you know,
32:15
Speaker 6: it's twenty five thousand, it's twenty five percent or x
32:19
Speaker 6: amount of dollars capped at a certain amount, so it's
32:22
Speaker 6: it's you know, I wouldn't go into unless you have
32:26
Speaker 6: tried to hire a lawyer and they're not. You can't
32:28
Speaker 6: find a lawyer to represent you. I would never go
32:30
Speaker 6: into a soci security hearing or do the appeal process
32:34
Speaker 6: without having an attorney at my side that I felt
32:38
Speaker 6: trusted and felt confident and confident in the application process.
32:44
Speaker 6: I always have folks just do it on their own,
32:45
Speaker 6: because if you know, lightning strikes and they happen to
32:48
Speaker 6: approve you on your application because it's nothing really tricky
32:50
Speaker 6: about the application. They do them mostly by phone. Now,
32:53
Speaker 6: you call the local office, they'll set an appointment. You're
32:56
Speaker 6: basically given some history of what your ailment's are that
33:00
Speaker 6: you believe keep you from working full time, and you
33:02
Speaker 6: tell them where you're going to the doctor and that
33:04
Speaker 6: kind of thing. And then they're supposed to do some
33:06
Speaker 6: medical records gathering for you. But they don't do a
33:09
Speaker 6: very good job. And they I mean, I'm thinking all
33:13
Speaker 6: the years off had people go just to apply on
33:15
Speaker 6: their own. I mean, it might be one thousand, maybe
33:17
Speaker 6: two or three have been approved on the first application.
33:22
Speaker 6: But I always tell folks to try it because there's
33:24
Speaker 6: no reason to pay a lawyer a percentage of some
33:27
Speaker 6: back pay at the beginning, when there's no real trick
33:29
Speaker 6: to doing the application. Now after that, there are fairly
33:31
Speaker 6: strict timeframes for requesting every consideration of that decision and
33:35
Speaker 6: then ultimately requesting a hearing. So that's when you need.
33:38
Speaker 6: Once you get that denial, let or you need to
33:39
Speaker 6: contact an attorney and take it from there. And we
33:42
Speaker 6: do a good bit of those cases and do a
33:44
Speaker 6: pretty good job. You can't win every security case, but
33:48
Speaker 6: that's something we do that we really don't talk about
33:51
Speaker 6: a whole lot. And then so I'm doing that at
33:52
Speaker 6: ten then going down to the courthouse in Putnam County
33:54
Speaker 6: and we got some estate litigation, a will contest case,
33:58
Speaker 6: So we'll see how that one turns out. It's got
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Speaker 6: a lot of dynamics to it. But we I've probably
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Speaker 6: got three or four will contest cases going right now
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Speaker 6: that type of litigation. And we've talked about this, I
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Speaker 6: think last week, but almost universally, but there are exceptions,
34:14
Speaker 6: but a lot of those cases are people trying to
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Speaker 6: do their own estate planning, handwriting their own wills or
34:18
Speaker 6: getting forms or maybe somebody saw a will a lawyer
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Speaker 6: drafted so they have somebody draft up a new one
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Speaker 6: that's not a lawyer, and that's fine, and it may
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Speaker 6: constitute a will, it may have the right number of witnesses,
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Speaker 6: it may be written in a way that it is
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Speaker 6: a will in West Virginia. The problem is what is
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Speaker 6: it say and can that be put into effect? And
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Speaker 6: doesn't make sense or is it so ambiguous that you're
34:39
Speaker 6: just getting your heirs into lawsuits anyway after the fact. So,
34:43
Speaker 6: at least at our office, I think my opinion is
34:45
Speaker 6: our fees are very reasonable to do some basic estate
34:48
Speaker 6: planning as far as wills and maybe power of attorneys,
34:51
Speaker 6: and so I would be real cautious about trying to
34:55
Speaker 6: do those things on your own. And there's certain people
34:57
Speaker 6: they won't see lawyers, they won't they do anything, and
34:59
Speaker 6: then they just do it themselves, or they think the
35:02
Speaker 6: fees just astronomical and they you really can't afford a lawyer.
35:04
Speaker 6: But you'd be.
35:05
Speaker 5: Surprised lot those people don't actually check. They just assume
35:07
Speaker 5: that it's going to be that's right, or they.
35:09
Speaker 6: Just don't want to go see a lawyer. And I
35:10
Speaker 6: understand that we try and make it as comfortable as
35:13
Speaker 6: possible for folks that are not too nervous coming yet.
35:15
Speaker 5: But the one thing I'll just say on that is
35:16
Speaker 5: that the lawless for everyone.
35:17
Speaker 6: The law.
35:18
Speaker 5: The law isn't just for lawyers. If you're with with
35:20
Speaker 5: some of them with the state planning, that's something where
35:22
Speaker 5: you're where you want to make sure that you have
35:23
Speaker 5: everything covered when you're when you're dealing with something trying
35:26
Speaker 5: to get your security, or if you're in litigation with
35:27
Speaker 5: someone else who has representation. You're at a disadvantage if
35:31
Speaker 5: you're trying to access the law without actually knowing the
35:33
Speaker 5: law well. And people may not think that, but you
35:35
Speaker 5: really need that help you do.
35:36
Speaker 6: And the other thing about wills is I don't think
35:38
Speaker 6: about it as much because I've done thousands of wills
35:40
Speaker 6: over the years and it's it's but it does you know,
35:44
Speaker 6: that's a lot of people just don't like to think
35:46
Speaker 6: about that because it's the end of life for whatever is. Yes,
35:50
Speaker 6: I mean, and I've had folks, you know, I you
35:53
Speaker 6: try and be sensitive to it when you notice it,
35:55
Speaker 6: because I've definitely had folks in my office that are
35:57
Speaker 6: real upset that they're even doing this because they just
36:00
Speaker 6: can't they don't want to think about that. And that's
36:03
Speaker 6: understandable too. But at the same time, it's it's, uh,
36:06
Speaker 6: we're all gonna need a will one day, and and
36:09
Speaker 6: so it's a good job, good good idea to try
36:11
Speaker 6: and just kind of get it taken care of. It's
36:13
Speaker 6: not too late to do one until it's too late.
36:15
Speaker 6: And always do a will as long as you're competent.
36:18
Speaker 6: Uh and and you're there in time.
36:20
Speaker 5: And it's really a favorite to your survivors too, That's
36:23
Speaker 5: that's true.
36:23
Speaker 6: It depends on the situation. But in our office is
36:25
Speaker 6: real simple. You come in for the first appointment. Uh.
36:27
Speaker 6: If you can't travel, we'll make some other arrangements to
36:30
Speaker 6: do it by phone or something like that. At least
36:32
Speaker 6: the consultation. The first appointment usually takes anywhere from a
36:35
Speaker 6: half hour to maybe an hour, and then you come
36:37
Speaker 6: back one more time about the same amount of amount
36:40
Speaker 6: of time there in our office. And and most people
36:43
Speaker 6: leave that we're nervous coming in or or hesitant saying, oh,
36:46
Speaker 6: that wasn't that bad and uh and and that's I
36:49
Speaker 6: hear that an awful lot. So but so on all
36:53
Speaker 6: those issues, we just ask you to consider our office
36:55
Speaker 6: if you need some legal work done and give us
36:57
Speaker 6: a call and uh and uh we do a really
36:59
Speaker 6: good jo on those litigation cases.
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Speaker 5: Really appreciate your Tom picks.
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