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Fake Heiress Anna Sorokin: House Arrest 'MORE RESTRICTIVE' Than Prison · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: What is wrong with this woman? You're probably listening right
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  Speaker 2: now as you are on your way to work or
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  Speaker 2: on your way home from work, or maybe you're making
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  Speaker 2: dinner in the kitchen, or maybe you're taking a break
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  Speaker 2: from work or taking care of your family running one
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  Speaker 2: hundred errands. But this woman doesn't work for a living,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't raise children. She's a phony heiress and after
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  Speaker 2: scamming tens of thousands of dollars, actually hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of dollars, now sitting in an upscale apartment in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 2: phony heiress and a Delvy says, life without social media
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  Speaker 2: it's more restrictive than jail. You know what, I would
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  Speaker 2: happily send her back to jail. Fake heiress and a
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  Speaker 2: soroken aka and a Delvi says her around the clock
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  Speaker 2: home confinement and being from social media or more restrictive
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  Speaker 2: than being behind bars. Why does she think everybody else
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  Speaker 2: has to work and she can lay on her sofa whining?
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 2: As you will recall, the phony heiress rose to infamy
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  Speaker 2: under the fake name Anna Delvi. Now the law is
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  Speaker 2: requiring she either be in jail or have house arrest,
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  Speaker 2: being in her apartment twenty four hours a day. This
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  Speaker 2: is while she fights deportation and her conviction for schemming
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  Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars from banks, businesses, and so called friends.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this one really takes the cake. I'm Nancy
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  Speaker 2: Grace's Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious exim one eleven. How did
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing start? I remember very well. Do you
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to Inside Edition.
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  Speaker 3: She claimed she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth
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  Speaker 3: more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.
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  Speaker 3: Annasorgan went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,
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  Speaker 3: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 3: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention.
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  Speaker 4: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the woman.
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  Speaker 3: Known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Debra Roberts.
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  Speaker 5: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.
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  Speaker 5: Why are you talking with us?
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  Speaker 6: Why not? I would like to show the will that
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  Speaker 6: I'm not this dow greedy person that they portrayed me
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  Speaker 6: to be.
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  Speaker 4: You ask her who she really is?
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  Speaker 2: Did she tell you an.
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  Speaker 7: Asorgan is very complicated character. You might believe that Annasurican
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  Speaker 7: is a very gifted, clever wanna be business woman or
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  Speaker 7: a complete con artist. And there are many people in
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  Speaker 7: her way who would tell you that she is the
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  Speaker 7: classic con artist.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a
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  Speaker 2: great business person and the ultimate scammer? I see her
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  Speaker 2: as both. Take a listen to hour cut one from
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  Speaker 2: the Vanity Fair special Scandalous.
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  Speaker 8: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the
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  Speaker 8: NYC social scene, frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs.
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  Speaker 8: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money.
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  Speaker 2: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the.
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  Speaker 8: Age of Instagram, always at the right place, with the
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  Speaker 8: right people, living her best life, but with no apparent
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  Speaker 8: cause for her fame.
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  Speaker 2: With Me, an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: author of Red Flag and host of Today with Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Wendy KCBQ. You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Donna Rockwell special guest joining us clinical psychologists in
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  Speaker 2: both Michigan and New York, specializing in celebrity mental health
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  Speaker 2: on faculty Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a special guest
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  Speaker 2: joining US certified fraud examiner, former FED with the FBI.
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  Speaker 2: Don't mess with this guy, FBI agent twenty nine years now,
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  Speaker 2: private investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator JKE Texas dot com.
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  Speaker 2: But first, I want to go to a woman I've
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  Speaker 2: been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox News Digital.
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  Speaker 2: She's a crime reporter and author of a fantastic book
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  Speaker 2: At any Cost? Rebecca, who is this woman?
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  Speaker 4: Who is this woman? Well, she her family came from Russia,
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  Speaker 4: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was
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  Speaker 4: actually a truck driver. She did not come from a
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  Speaker 4: wealthy family, and she just invented this identity when she
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  Speaker 4: came to New York.
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  Speaker 2: Now, her coming to New York was quite a story.
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  Speaker 2: So Russian born moving to Germany, the child of a
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  Speaker 2: truck driver. She ends up getting a job or an
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  Speaker 2: internship that takes her to Paris. From there, the position
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  Speaker 2: brings her to New York. I believe it was mon talk.
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  Speaker 2: And then she very simply overstayed her visa, which thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people do every year, but none do it in
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  Speaker 2: the style of Anna Soroka. And take a listen to
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  Speaker 2: our cut six our friends at Inside Edition.
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  Speaker 9: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event?
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  Speaker 9: Anna Psorakin is accused of posing as an heiress to
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  Speaker 9: live an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to
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  Speaker 9: trial that making headlines. The twenty seven year old defendant
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  Speaker 9: showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a
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  Speaker 9: plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that could backfire.
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  Speaker 9: Warren stylist John Karen.
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  Speaker 10: Black dress definitely a no no. A hyper sexualize her.
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  Speaker 10: It makes her appear to be like a seductress. The
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  Speaker 10: choker kind of shows to me that she's trying to
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  Speaker 10: be overtly sexy. The more sexy she appears to be,
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  Speaker 10: it hurts her.
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  Speaker 9: Soor Kin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused
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  Speaker 9: to enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given
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  Speaker 9: to wear was not up to her standards. The angry
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  Speaker 9: judge told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a fashion show. Wow, Well, you know
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  Speaker 2: what it didn't work, she continued wearing designer clothes to
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  Speaker 2: every single court appears. But this goes way back. Her
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  Speaker 2: desire for a lifestyle she could not afford started in
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  Speaker 2: her teens. Take a listening to our buddy Jesse Palmer
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  Speaker 2: a daily Mail TV.
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  Speaker 11: Anna, who interned out a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed
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  Speaker 11: to scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at
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  Speaker 11: high end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance
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  Speaker 11: her lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly
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  Speaker 11: built banks out of thousands in cash.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not all.
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  Speaker 11: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty
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  Speaker 11: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.
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  Speaker 11: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take
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  Speaker 11: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance
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  Speaker 11: a visual art center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.
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  Speaker 11: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred
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  Speaker 11: and seventy five thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's just me, but to you Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Donna Rockwell joining US Clinical Psychologist Faculty Saber University. Doctor Rockwell,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know very many people except maybe Lawais that
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  Speaker 2: lives in hotels.
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  Speaker 12: No, I guess we don't really know many people who
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  Speaker 12: live in her hotels. But it's very posh, isn't it
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  Speaker 12: to do that? She might be a eloise poser, I guess,
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  Speaker 12: But you know that makes her look really unattainable and
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  Speaker 12: like she's got lots of money. So I think people
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  Speaker 12: in her situation will do anything they can to look
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  Speaker 12: like they're billionaires, not even millionaires.
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  Speaker 2: And Rebecca Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She
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  Speaker 2: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a
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  Speaker 4: very long time, racked up a bill that tens of
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  Speaker 4: thousands of dollars, and that's where she lived for a
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  Speaker 4: big chunk of the Times, the New York.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was really interesting that she created this
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  Speaker 2: illusion that super rich and super educated people fell for.
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  Speaker 2: I guess you'd call it New York society until she
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  Speaker 2: went and basically invited herself to be on a yacht
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  Speaker 2: in a bisa and then after everyone got off at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the vacation, she and her boyfriend turned
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  Speaker 2: and get back on and stay for another week or
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  Speaker 2: ten days. I mean, Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examiner,
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  Speaker 2: former FBI agent twenty nine years. For beats sake. When
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  Speaker 2: you commandeer a yacht with a captain and a staff
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  Speaker 2: and all the food and you're out at sea and
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  Speaker 2: the gas, that is a huge bill, a huge bill.
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  Speaker 13: And frankly, you know, she probably could have been stopped
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  Speaker 13: and exposed at that point if any of these people
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  Speaker 13: along the way you lost money, who got you know,
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  Speaker 13: enticed by her story and it actually applied you know,
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  Speaker 13: reasoning common sense at a certain point, things would have
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  Speaker 13: gotten as far as as they did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: author of Red Flags. You can hear her on today
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  Speaker 2: with doctor Wendy k c b Q. Doctor Wendy, I
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  Speaker 2: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that
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  Speaker 2: the owners or the people that had rented the yacht
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  Speaker 2: originally didn't go after her. Now they are really really
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  Speaker 2: wealthy Hampton Nights, And I got to tell you something, Wendy,
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  Speaker 2: I've been to the Hamptons a couple of times for charity,
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  Speaker 2: when I would be speaking to a group or raising
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  Speaker 2: money somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy. I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: wait till I packed up my little rental car and
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  Speaker 2: got out. I mean, I knew I was a dog upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: I did not fit in. That was not where I
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to be. And these rich people that got
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  Speaker 2: ripped off but didn't report it, whether they didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to look stupid or what.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, no, that's right, Nancy. I'm like you.
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  Speaker 15: I'm more I'm more familiar with the Hampton in with
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  Speaker 15: the free breakfast.
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  Speaker 14: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 15: So this is the this is the problem with the
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  Speaker 15: super super rich. And it is a problem because financial
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  Speaker 15: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either didn't
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  Speaker 15: know or didn't care. Why do I say that, because
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  Speaker 15: we've covered so many stories where you do have the
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  Speaker 15: ultra rich that are scammed are defrauded by somebody like Anna,
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  Speaker 15: but don't consider it in the balance to be worth
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  Speaker 15: their while to pursue it, not.
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  Speaker 4: Realizing there may be so many.
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  Speaker 15: Other victims that they might be preventing by putting it
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  Speaker 15: into it sooner rather than later. That may be why
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  Speaker 15: they didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Fake heiress and a Psorkin aka Ana delviy is whining again. Judge,
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  Speaker 2: can you just put her back in jail please, with
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  Speaker 2: a gag order be in place? I think possibly yes.
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  Speaker 2: She is at home and her upscale New York apartment
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  Speaker 2: whining again. From what I can tell, she's thrown one
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  Speaker 2: party after the next and sought out media opportunities. But
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  Speaker 2: now the fraudster is begging a federal judge to step
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  Speaker 2: in and change conditions of her house arrest. These conditions
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  Speaker 2: ban her leaving home for any reason except medical or
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  Speaker 2: for ice and court appointments. That she is to stay
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  Speaker 2: off all social media and it is just killing her
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  Speaker 2: not to be able to be on social media. She
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  Speaker 2: claims not being on soccial media is quote exceedingly punitive punishing,
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  Speaker 2: and that it unreasonably infringes on her freedom of speech,
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  Speaker 2: her right did you process? She's just filed us in court. Man,
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  Speaker 2: she is one wilely woman. She also claims not being
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  Speaker 2: able to access social media has quote necessarily caused severe
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  Speaker 2: emotional distress and stress to Missorkin. Man, she's got a nerve.
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  Speaker 2: Remember what happened? I'm not quite sure, Rebecca Rosenberg what
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  Speaker 2: her motivation is other than just living the high life.
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  Speaker 2: But imagine the impact she could have made being the
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  Speaker 2: daughter of a truck driver. I mean, I'm the daughter
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  Speaker 2: of a railroad worker and a bank teller, and I
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  Speaker 2: know my parents work over time to send me to college,
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  Speaker 2: to send me to law school, and so much more.
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  Speaker 2: She actually has a brilliant mind.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think that if she had been
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  Speaker 4: honest about her origins, anybody, the people that she was
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  Speaker 4: trying to hang out with the New York that they
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  Speaker 4: would have really paid.
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  Speaker 14: Attention to her.
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  Speaker 2: We know she was born in Russia, grew up in Germany.
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  Speaker 2: Her father worked at a transport company it went insolvent
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  Speaker 2: at nineteen. She left her parents and brother for Paris
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  Speaker 2: to pursue fashion. She has only ever spoken very vaguely
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  Speaker 2: of her parents, as she terms conservative. But while she's
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  Speaker 2: in Paris, she takes on the name Anna Delvy and
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  Speaker 2: she shoots photographs for a fashion art magazine named Purple.
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  Speaker 2: She only got four hundred euros a month and she
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  Speaker 2: stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would send her
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  Speaker 2: money pay for her apartment. Then she had a breakup
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  Speaker 2: headed to New York and she went for a trip
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  Speaker 2: to Montalk and then Fashion Week, and that really did it.
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  Speaker 2: When she was at Fashion Week, there was no suggestion
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  Speaker 2: she would ever turn back. She went from boutique hotel
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  Speaker 2: to boutique hotel, always handing out chrisp one hundred dollar
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  Speaker 2: tips and putting off bills with promises of wire transfers
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  Speaker 2: that never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg, I know we've got
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  Speaker 2: the one victim, Rachel Deloche Williams, but that's two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and seventy five thousand dollars. What about all of the
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  Speaker 2: hotels and all of the other people she ripped off?
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people didn't come forward. And actually Rachel
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  Speaker 4: Delos was really interesting because at the end Rachel actually
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  Speaker 4: couldn't get paid restitution because the jury did not find
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  Speaker 4: Theroken guilty of ripping her off. That was kind of
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  Speaker 4: that was one of the charges they did not convict on.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Hour cut five be our Friends
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  Speaker 2: at time.
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  Speaker 16: Prosecutor Catherine mccau says, the defendant has not assent to
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  Speaker 16: her name as far as we can determine, also noting
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  Speaker 16: that Soroken is Russian born, not German, though she could
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  Speaker 16: be deported to Germany no matter how the trial turns out,
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  Speaker 16: as she's reportedly overstayed her visa. Under the name Anna Delvi,
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  Speaker 16: she arrived in New York with a high priced wardrobe
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  Speaker 16: and was known for handing out one hundred dollars cash tips,
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  Speaker 16: reportedly saying at different points that her father was a diplomat,
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  Speaker 16: an oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business,
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  Speaker 16: none of which are the case. People who knew her
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  Speaker 16: said she often asked others to use their credit cards
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  Speaker 16: to cover cab and plane fares and then failing to
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  Speaker 16: repay them.
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  Speaker 2: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it?
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  Speaker 4: It's a show based on her life story, so based
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  Speaker 4: on it kind of glamorizes her. I'd say her criminal
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  Speaker 4: activity in New York for which she was convicted, and
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  Speaker 4: she sold her life rights to Netflix for them to
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  Speaker 4: do the show.
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  Speaker 2: So this woman cons she cons big. Take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to our cut too from Vanity Fear.
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  Speaker 8: Prior to their departure, Davis's manager told her Delvi's bill
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  Speaker 8: and room charges were starting to mount and were still unpaid.
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  Speaker 8: As a result, the hotel changed Delvy's room code and
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  Speaker 8: detained all of her personal belongings. To renew her visa,
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  Speaker 8: Delvi said she had to spend intervals of time out
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  Speaker 8: of the country, so she decided to embark on an
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  Speaker 8: adventure to Morocco. She invited her New York City circle
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  Speaker 8: of friends. This trip was the quintessential example of the
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  Speaker 8: lavish lifestyle that DELV was known for, a private villa
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  Speaker 8: with a personal butler, all for just a mere seven
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  Speaker 8: thousand dollars a night. During their trip, Delvi, making one
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  Speaker 8: excuse after another, pressed Williams to pick up the tab
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  Speaker 8: more and more frequently, eventually covering costs for dinner and
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  Speaker 8: expensive Moroccan dresses, a stark change from the day as
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  Speaker 8: DELV would pay for everything. Then, one morning, DELV was
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  Speaker 8: informed by a hotel employee that they did not have
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  Speaker 8: a working credit card on file. Delvy brushed this off
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  Speaker 8: as an issue with her bank, but soon after Williams
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  Speaker 8: was pressured into putting down her credit card by hotel
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  Speaker 8: management staff and security members.
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  Speaker 2: Jim Ellis joining us former fed with the FBI. Have
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  Speaker 2: you ever seen anything like it where a person who
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  Speaker 2: is so obsessed with a lifestyle or getting money actually
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  Speaker 2: has alternate identities and scams and lies to even their
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  Speaker 2: closest friends, their lovers.
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  Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, I mean in her heart and Astoric is
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  Speaker 13: a con and she basically just cares about herself and
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  Speaker 13: she doesn't care what's left in her wake. And I've
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  Speaker 13: seen this through my career, both as an FBI agent
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  Speaker 13: and as a private investigator. The same way, I'm familiar
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  Speaker 13: with one con artist.
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  Speaker 14: Who dressed up.
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  Speaker 13: He's a Southern Baptist boy from Louisianna, and he dressed
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  Speaker 13: stuff like a Hasidic jew complete with clothing and makeup,
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  Speaker 13: so he could go vouch to other people in the
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  Speaker 13: Jewish community for himself.
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  Speaker 14: I mean that people will go to no ends.
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  Speaker 13: To satisfy their greed, to satisfy their one for fame
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  Speaker 13: and power.
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  Speaker 2: How do you untangle a case like this, Well.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective, you don't
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  Speaker 13: even know about it till somebody who reports it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about her personality. She goes to trial, she
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  Speaker 2: goes to trial. I want you to hear what the
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  Speaker 2: attorney said in court. Take a listen to our cut
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  Speaker 2: seven air friends at GMA.
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  Speaker 17: She had to fake it until she can make it
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  Speaker 17: those words from the defendants own attorney, who claim she
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  Speaker 17: never intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her
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  Speaker 17: a fraud and a liar. It would do almost anything
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  Speaker 17: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate
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  Speaker 17: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands
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  Speaker 17: of a jury, both sides wrapping up arguments for a
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  Speaker 17: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even
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  Speaker 17: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She
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  Speaker 17: called herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say
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  Speaker 17: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living
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  Speaker 17: a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, take a listen to her and a soroken
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  Speaker 2: in her own words are cut nine from the BBC.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get a thrill from him?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,
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  Speaker 5: when you achieved something, when you slipped under the radar
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  Speaker 5: and didn't have to pay.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Was it thrilling?
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I was cheating or getting away with anything. In my head,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: like anybody that would borrow from them, that would be
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: getting back. I felt like they portrayed me as like
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: someone who is very manipulative, which I don't think I am.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: And I was never really like too nice of a person.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: I was never like really trying to talk my way
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: into anything. I kind of just told people what I
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: want and like the either give it to me or not,
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: and I.
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: Just moved on.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Sorkin, who was a subject of the Netflix hit Inventing Anna.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I watched all nine episodes to make sure I knew everything.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It was excruciating, claims she does not pose a risk
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of flight or danger to the community. BS. This woman
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: will pick your pocket. In a New York Minute, she claims,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: quote these restrictions serve absolutely no purpose in mitigating flight
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: risk or threat to the community. Bes. This one is
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: going to get online and start fleecing you for all
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: your money. How did you do it the first time?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: She taught them into what she wanted through lines, I mean,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Donald rockwell, we really need a shrink. How can she
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: take hundreds of thousands of dollars in luxury hotels, clothing
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that she got our friends to pay for, racking up
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: credit cards she needs she'd never pay back hundreds of
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in credit cards, all based on lies.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, she had to know that was wrong. She
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't just faking it, fake it till you make it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: She was outright lying for goods and services.
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: Yes, she was outright lying. That's how we see it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: It's interesting, you know, because a person who has early
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: life narcissistic.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Wounds, Okay, see, I don't know what that means.
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: What it means that someone is only really thinking about themselves.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: You said a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: know who narcissist is, But what's a narcissistic wound.
• 22:45
  Speaker 12: When we're babies. If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: look at us and say, who is a pretty baby?
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: Is a pretty baby, we don't know that we exist.
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: So without early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: caregiver's look at you, you know you're existing, you're smiling back,
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: there becomes a deficit that develops in a person, and
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: that is who becomes a narcissist or a self serving
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: person in adulthood, and we probably know many of them
• 23:13
  Speaker 12: in our own lives. However, in the context of same,
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: there's something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: situations that we come into after we're a baby, in
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: other words, like Anna when she was in her nineteen
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: and in her twenties, is enough to turn us into
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: that kind of a person, meaning all for me and
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: none for you. And how does she.
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: Get away with that?
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: She gets away with it because she's in denial, which
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: is a psychological coping mechanism. So the only way that
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: she can do these things is to not have a conscience,
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: to not think about it. So she has a sense
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: of acquired situational narcissism because of her situation, and then
• 23:59
  Speaker 12: wanted more and more of it and more of it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: And what people don't really understand about same is that
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: it is as addictive as heroine. The second we get
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: a taste of the spotlight, most of us, we want
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: more and more and more. And that's what happened with Anna.
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: She was in denial. She was projecting anything that she
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: was thinking about herself on to other people. She asked
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: for what she wanted, as we just heard on the tape,
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: she got it or she didn't get it, and she
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: moved on. She did not have a conscience to think about,
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: is this the right thing? Am I hurting anybody? That's
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: not how these people think. And it became more and
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: more and more because same is addictive, you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Know, Wendy Pasti, she may justified it in her own mind,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm certainly not defending her because this is irrational, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: This is not reasoning, it's irrational. She was taking from
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: rich people in the Hamptons. I'm talking like thirty million
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: dollar homes with you know, guest houses that are you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: bigger than our homes or apartments. She was taking from
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: someone that could afford it. Why she overstayed on the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: yacht for a week because somebody else much richer than
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: her was paying for it. So I wonder in her mind,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: as she justify it that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: Way, only had it been a very short amount of
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: time with something over all weekend or maybe even a week.
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: But the amount of time, the duration that this went on,
• 25:24
  Speaker 15: there was no conceivable way in her mind that she
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: possibly could have thought she would pay any of it back.
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: You know, she may have faked it until she made
• 25:31
  Speaker 15: it when she first got to New York, but when
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: stealing money from others over that period of time, faking
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: it is fraud. Hopefully that was a sound bite somebody
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: who's at her trial, because there's no other way circumstantially
• 25:42
  Speaker 15: you can justify that many victims over that long a
• 25:46
  Speaker 15: period of.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Time, and even now it's still all about her. Take
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a listen to our friend Emily mate Less at the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: BBC cut Tin. Why do you think so many people
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: believed he?
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: Then?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: What was it in your person nine see that could
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: convince people?
• 26:02
  Speaker 15: I don't know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: I think like maybe believed I was smart and I
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: was working on something.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: That could have like a great potential and that would
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: be successful.
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: I don't know.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I don't feel like he has much to do with
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: and what I was doing. I don't know, it's hard
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: to explain. I guess like people just see like I'm
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: talented and I'm focused, and I work hard, and I
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: couldn't make them a.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Lot of money. Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard at what. Every
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: time I see a fodo or a post of her,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: she's on a luxury trip or she's shopping work at
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: WHAT Well.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I think I think a lot of her victims wanted
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: to believe in her success because it meant their success too.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: You know, she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Anadelvy foundation in Manhattan for twenty two million. And you
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: know one of the persons, one of the people she
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: do for the architect, well for him, I know, he
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: wanted to be involved in that big project, so he
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: wanted to sort of bleeve the lie because it would
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: ultimately help him. So I think a lot of it
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: was people wanting to kind of believe it was true
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: because there was an advantage to them.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: These are just some of the things. And I want
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: to go to you on Jim Ellis that we have
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you would draw the funds, and then you try to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and then another you basically play ropodope on banks. That
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: deft of services, almost a half a million dollars. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of money, Jim.
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely, it's a lot of money. And you mentioned
• 28:17
  Speaker 13: earlier you weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: worked hard in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing
• 28:27
  Speaker 13: all those bogus checks and coming up with stories that
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: were plausible but yet not too specific. The life of
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: the con is hard work, and they do it for
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: the for the power, they do it for the money,
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: They do it for the same. I think she saw
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: the banks as her potential savior. You know, you think
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: of of like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was
• 28:53
  Speaker 13: she a genius or was she a scam artist? You know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 13: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: million dollars.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So wait, explain that to us, mere mortals, What do
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: you mean, produce phony documents and convince big banks to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: learn her a lots of money?
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: Sure it happened. You know.
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: She apparently was really adept in.
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: Adobe photoshop.
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: I mean, she was taking documents and altering them to
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: convince the bankers that she had Swiss bank accounts, that
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: she had trust documents, and she had lawyers and CPAs
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: or accountants over in Europe. And it was going at
• 29:38
  Speaker 13: least to a certain extent, probably till it hit the
• 29:41
  Speaker 13: underwriting department, the people in the back of the office
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: who make sure everything's all the boxes are checked. It
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: was it was painting a picture of her, of exactly
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: who she was claiming to be. And I think if
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: she probably she possibly could have felt that she was
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: able to land that loan. In her mind, she probably
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: was going to pay all those people.
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: Back that she had scammed in her mind.
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: In her mind, and she may have, we don't know.
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: next victim, and when that when it comes time to
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: pay them.
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: Back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: the end, and this wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: But you know, some of that money she scammed through
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and
• 30:39
  Speaker 13: the loan she got from City National Bank she used
• 30:43
  Speaker 13: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: maintain that illusion.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: could get them to allow her to stay there for
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to kayta check?
• 31:05
  Speaker 14: Well, to kya check?
• 31:06
  Speaker 13: And it's a lot harder nowadays than they used to
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: be because the float, which is the time that the
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: check is deposited in the one bank and actually clears
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: in the originating bank, it's so much shorter.
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: But you you basically take a check.
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: And you present it to a bank that you know
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: is worthless, or it may appear it has funds, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 13: by the time that check is presented for payment to
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: the originating bank, there aren't any funds available.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: The fake Eiris has been living in a Manhattan pad
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: during her confinement, until she moved to a quote temporary
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: residence in upstate New York after her lease was up.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Say court papers. The judge ordered she would be subject
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to random visits by l law enforcement to check her
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: electronic devices to make sure she's staying off social media. Hmmm,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: this judge is so distrustful of this woman. She is
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: not allowed to go to leave home to buy groceries, exercise, nothing,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: no reason barring a medical emergency. Would she really rather
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: be in jail? I believe that can be arranged. Take
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a listen to our friends at GMA Good Morning America.
• 32:43
  Speaker 18: A New York City jury finding social life anasauricamp a
• 32:46
  Speaker 18: so called SOHO grifter guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,
• 32:51
  Speaker 18: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services to.
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: Juris obviously believed our point of view and followed our logic,
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: and you quitted her for the top charges.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the other charges that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: Sor again was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,
• 33:06
  Speaker 17: so attempting to steal more than one million dollars from
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: City National Bank.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Jay Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from Foxy's Digital, explaining the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: split verdict. What was she convicted on and on what
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: was she acquitted?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: million dollar loan, which was one.
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: Of the top charges.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: That was the printed grand larceny and she was acquitted
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: of stealing the number kind of varied, but around seventy
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: invited her best friend at the time, Racheld Deloschan, to Morocco,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night riod
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: outside a marakesh and at the end of the trip
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: she stuck her with the bill.
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: She persuaded her to put the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Entire trip on her credit card and she would pay
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: her back. So those were the two main counts she
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: was acquitted on and then she was convicted. And she
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: was convicted in the chartered plane incident.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Right, well, let me let that, so can Rebecca Roisenberg.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The chartered plane incident? What was that?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: So it was called Blade is the company, and she
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I'll pay you later, and they thought she'd pay them
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars. It was a chartered flight.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: The chartered flight incident. Okay, so she ends up going
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to not just jail, but to Rikers is anybody on
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the panel familiar with Riykers? Okay, yes, just by reputation. Yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you don't want to go there unless you have to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: take a Listen to Anna Sorokan speaking to our friend
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Deborah Roberts at ABC.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Dorikan says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Writers Island jailed,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: one of the most frightening jails in the country.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: What was that like for you?
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Were you terrified in a way that was therapeutic?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a therapeutic.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: I for example, used the time like to read a
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: lot and to write.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: You've heard that, You've said that it's the prison is
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: kind of a waste of time.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: So how is this supposed to help someone who already
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: had to resort to life of crime?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: And that tells me right there that Anna Delvy aka
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Ana Sroken learned nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Patrick nothing.
• 35:57
  Speaker 15: It also tells us that she is admitting she resorted
• 36:00
  Speaker 15: to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she said
• 36:03
  Speaker 15: before the trial and even in some interviews after the trial.
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: She knew because she wasn't working, as you pointed out
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: several times, there was no way she was going to
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: be able to repay these loans. But sitting through the trial,
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic, you have to wonder
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: whether she received special treatment. We don't know one way
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: or the other, but it is very interesting that her
• 36:24
  Speaker 15: attitude apparently hasn't changed.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenberg, I'm not sure I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: off from Rachel Delights Williams. What was the Jerry's thinking.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I spoke to a couple of jurors after the
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: verdict and they kind of felt that in the end,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Rachel came out ahead, even though it was this like
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: really stressful situation for her where she had put the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: payment for the trip on her her work visa card
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: and just you know, it was a sum of money
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: that was greater than what she earned as a salary.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: But eventually, you know, she did, she did end up
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: with I think her book advance was three hundred thousand dollars.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know what she got paid from HBO. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I think they just didn't feel that bad for her.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: But why because why do they not feel bad for
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Rachel Williams?
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: kind of their reasoning.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: out from behind bars are cut fourteen inside edition.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Do you walk out of prison a free woman high
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: on love?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It was the first thing you did that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: Brought me my phone, so I got on social media.
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: She came out of prison and immediately set down to
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: do this interview with us, and immediately went on social
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So the first thing she does is on social media.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: What does that tell you, doctor Rockwell, the.
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: Same thing it tells you, doctor Gray, that she didn't
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: feel all bad about one thing through this entire event,
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: that there's a lack of conscience, and that she was
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: loving the spotlight and she couldn't wait to get back
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: into it. As I say, it's an addiction. It makes
• 38:42
  Speaker 12: the hormones flash in your mind, you have endorsements, your
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: brain comes alive with your own image, and you love it,
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: you salivate over it. And that's what happened to panis.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Orkin, Jim Ella Certified Fraught Examiner are now with his
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: own firm JKE Texas. Jim shopaholics or people that get
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna Soroken
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: aka n Anna Delvy got a thrill of some sort
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: of this fake life she was leading. Do you think
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: someone like her can turn over a new leaf or
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: is this just who she is?
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: Well, that's a good question.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: I mean I always hope.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I did say what you hope. Jim allis you investigated
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: so many con guys, what do you think they.
• 39:36
  Speaker 13: Don't stop I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: got back on social media, and I agree with doctor
• 39:43
  Speaker 13: Rockwell that it was for the endorphent rush of getting
• 39:48
  Speaker 13: that hit, of getting that fame and putting out that projection.
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: But I think it's also a certain aspect that is
• 39:56
  Speaker 13: rebuilding her stature so that she can now see where
• 40:01
  Speaker 13: she can get her next meal ticket from.
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: But who in the right mind would want to work.
• 40:07
  Speaker 13: With somebody that just got out of prison for defrauding
• 40:13
  Speaker 13: hundreds of thousands of dollars from the people she was
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: closest to.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Will the whining ever end from Anna Sorkin aka Anna Delvy?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Probably not, Okay, I'll keep that in mind as I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: go back to work. Goodbye, friend,