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The Engineer Racer: Sabre Cook · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to Women of the Autos Sphere.
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  On Break Fix, we dive into the stories of trailblazers, engineers,
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  racers, designers, and disruptors who are shaping the automotive
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  and motor sports industries.
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  From the pit lane to the boardroom, from concept sketches to championship
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  podiums, these women are driving change breaking barriers, and
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  inspiring the next generation.
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  Whether you're a lifelong gearhead, a curious newcomer, or someone
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  who simply loves a good story.
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  You are in the right place.
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  This is more than a podcast.
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  It's a movement.
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  On this episode of Break Fixes Women of the Auto Sphere series.
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  We're thrilled to welcome Sabre Cook, a true force in Motorsports
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  whose journey is as inspiring as it is impressive from her early days.
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  Karting a Colorado to breaking barriers in open wheel racing.
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  Sabre has proven herself both on and off the track.
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  She's not only competed in Elite series like the W Series USF 2000 Entity
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  Pro 2000, but she's also balanced her racing career with a background
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  in mechanical engineering, working with some of the biggest names in
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  the automotive industry, in a sport where talent, tenacity and technical
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  skill must work in perfect harmony.
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  Sabre embodies the full package paving the way for the next generation of
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  women in racing, and we'll dive into her path, her perseverance, and her
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  vision for the future of motor sports.
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  And joining me tonight is returning co-host Lauren Goodman, associate curator
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  of exhibitions at the Revs Institute, and one of the many personalities
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  here at the Motor Inc Podcast Network.
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  So welcome back.
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  Good to be here.
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  And with that, let's welcome Sabre officially to break fix.
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  Hi guys.
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  I feel so inspired and like so good after that introduction.
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  Like you guys should just come be my pep talk team before I get in the race car.
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  Like that was great.
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  Well be the flavor.
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  Flave.
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  The fla, the Flavor Flav.
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  You gotta wear the giant clock though.
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  Well Sabre like all break Fixx stories.
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  There's a super heroine origin story out there.
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  So take us back to your.
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  Earliest memories of carting in Colorado.
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  And what first sparked your passion for racing?
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  Did you come from a racing family?
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  I did.
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  I was super lucky to have a pretty cool dad.
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  He used to race motocross and Supercross professionally back in
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  the eighties, and he and my mom did not want me racing motorcycles.
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  So compromised with four wheels 'cause it's much safer.
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  So I appreciate that.
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  Now I have a lot less broken bones than I probably would have otherwise.
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  That's how we got started.
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  Got into carting just as far, I was eight years old, so I guess the
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  heroine story started with my dad being my hero and just loving racing
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  and wanting to get involved in that.
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  And I was also born on Supercross Sunday, so my parents, they used to host like a
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  local Supercross events in our hometown.
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  And my mom went into labor the morning of the big race.
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  So she went to the hospital instead of to, to the racetrack.
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  It was kind of, uh, it was inevitable carting at a young age, especially
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  a young lady in carting, you know, and motorsport, as we know, is a male
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  dominated sport, but that is changing.
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  We're seeing parody in multiple disciplines of motorsport
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  throughout the world.
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  What was it like for you competing at that level and then moving up
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  further and further into racing?
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  It was challenging at times, being either the only woman or one of a couple.
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  It definitely made you have a different experience growing up
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  than maybe your peers that would be involved in a space that had
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  more women or more representation.
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  But I think I learned so much from being in those spaces and I had
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  to learn how to kind of create my own s. In a place that wasn't
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  traditionally expecting me to be there.
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  So, and I, and I really loved the fact that I got to do a lot of my younger
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  years with my dad and he was a great mentor for me and helped me kind of, you
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  know, navigate the challenges and that anybody goes through in racing, right.
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  Male or female, just the challenges and you know, the mental and physical
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  struggles that you go through as an athlete and finding your way through
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  and and moving up towards the top.
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  So yeah, it was challenging, but it was, it was great.
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  So we talked to a lot of younger drivers who came up in a similar way that you did.
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  Maybe they started in carting or they went into junior dragsters
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  or midgets or something like that.
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  And there's always this balance that has to be struck.
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  Not only just.
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  Within the family, like, Hey, how far are your parents going
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  to support you and push you?
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  But with schooling, so you started carting at eight years old and what we tend to
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  find is kids that young do racing in fits and spurts because as you move to middle
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  school and high school and schooling gets in the way, we're gonna talk about.
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  Your mechanical engineering degree as the punchline here, but how did
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  that work for you as you continued to follow your passion but also go into
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  a field like mechanical engineering?
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  Definitely.
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  It wasn't easy, and I'm still honestly transparently, I
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  tried to do too many things.
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  Like I was the kid that, I can't remember how old I was.
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  I had like a complete meltdown to my mom.
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  'cause I was like, I just wanna do everything.
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  Like I don't wanna have to choose.
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  So that, that was a problem I had very early on in my life.
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  But I guess I just.
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  Tried to lean into, you know, my teachers and peers around me to say,
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  Hey, this is something I really wanna do, and this is like a passion for me.
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  But obviously I really care about school, like I love learning.
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  That's like one of the biggest things for me, is I'm always like really eager
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  to learn and continue to get better at whatever it is or learn about new things.
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  So I just leaned into my peers, my professors, my family to say,
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  how can I optimize this situation to be able to chase both of them?
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  And it was definitely some sleepless nights for sure, too many times,
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  especially as I got older and you know, in high school and then into college.
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  But when I was young, it definitely, it did have those little spurts where
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  there was maybe more racing and then there was more school and I didn't get
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  to drive or drive as much as I would've liked to or wanted to or should have been
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  driving because there is that balance and you have to learn also, like as a
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  young sports person, you start to learn like what it really takes the level
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  of commitment that you have to have to start to perform at that high level.
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  How much it really means that you need to be consistent, and
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  how much it really means that you need to commit time to that.
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  That was something that everybody I feel like you go through when
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  you're younger is, you know, you don't get the results that you want.
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  And the hard reality is, okay, well you've gotta commit the time that
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  those top, top people are committing.
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  And that's really the only way around it is you've gotta be there and
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  you've gotta be willing to put in those, you know, the 10,000 hour rule.
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  You've gotta be willing to put in the time to get there.
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  So did you have one of those awkward conversations with
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  your guidance counselor?
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  That was, Hey, I wanna be a race car driver.
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  And then they said, you should find a career.
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  To back that up.
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  Did the race car driving beget becoming a mechanical engineer?
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  Was the engineering always there for you?
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  Actually, I was one of those weird kids that I liked school, I liked math and
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  I liked science, and there was never a question in my mind at any point.
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  Oh, I don't wanna do school.
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  I don't wanna pursue like going and getting a degree.
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  It was always a plan of mine and my parents obviously heavily encouraged
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  it 'cause it was important for them.
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  Nobody else in my family up until that point had ever gone to college.
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  So I was the first generation student and had to kind of go through
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  the, the learning curve of that.
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  Right?
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  'cause nobody had been through it, but.
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  For them.
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  It was such an important goal to be able to put their kids into college and
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  have that degree in something that you can go and take and build a life on.
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  It was never a matter of if it was gonna happen, it was just like
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  when and what it was gonna be.
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  And pretty quickly I decided it was gonna be something that was.
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  STEM oriented.
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  That was pretty clear, honestly, probably from the third grade on.
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  And then it just became more clear later in my high school when I took
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  a mechanical engineering class.
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  And then I was like, you know what, this makes sense.
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  And we have a really great engineering school in Colorado that's one of the
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  top engineering universities in the us.
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  So in-state tuition was all about that, save the money.
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  So it became, uh, an easy choice to apply there.
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  And actually, I don't know if this was a dumb thing or just a bold
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  thing, but I only applied there.
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  I didn't have any backups.
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  I was like, I'm going here.
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  This is what's happening.
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  Have you been able to apply what you learned from your mechanical engineering
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  degree in your racing, or do you see avenues for potential to exercise your
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  degree in motor sport at some point?
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  So, I mean, I've worked.
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  For teams in a design capacity in motorsports.
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  So I've, I have used it.
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  But as far as like you mean using it specifically as a driver, like those
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  scientific principles and practices and the way you analyze and break things down.
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  As an engineer, how do you apply that to your driving?
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  I am definitely much more analytical in my approach to things.
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  I have very structured and rigorous.
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  Debrief sheets and like the way that I log, like say a testing event, I
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  have a workbook that I haven't really seen a lot of other drivers have, and
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  so I have like an an Excel workbook where I have multiple tabs and I log
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  as much tangible data as I can without.
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  Making my engineer brain overthink.
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  Like when you get in the race car, you've gotta be totally free.
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  Like you need to not overthink things.
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  It needs to be more natural, like it needs to just sort of happen and you've
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  gotta be allowing your body to take over and the muscle memory to take over.
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  Because if you drive with your conscious mind, it's always gonna be slower
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  than driving with your subconscious, really making sure that the analytical
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  engineering brain stays in its lane.
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  But it is very beneficial when I get out of the car to look.
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  At video and data and try to narrow down what are the big things
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  that we need to be focused on?
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  What's me, what's the car?
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  And just being able to have like a clear debrief and logging system,
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  that then allows me to look back on trends and past experiences to
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  then move forward more quickly.
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  This reminds me a lot of Mark Donahue.
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  The great Porsche driver, that's who it reminds me of, who also
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  had an engineering degree.
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  And we have, at the museum, we have his notebooks that he kept where he
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  kept all, he logged every single note about every single lab, about the cars.
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  He was testing for Roger Penske.
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  So I think you, you would've been two Ps in a pod, you and
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  Mark Donahue, it sounds like.
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  And they're all the graph paper notebooks, and it's all like very,
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  very lined up and very organized.
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  Not like my handwriting at all.
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  So I think the two of you.
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  Would've gone on like gangbusters.
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  But I'm also thinking you're talking about having to turn off the conscious mind
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  and just feel and engage with the car.
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  Do you find it harder to do that when you understand how cars are designed and
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  engineered, or do you trust the car more now that you understand the tolerances?
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  No, I think it's harder if you understand because it just gives
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  you a bigger range to think about.
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  Like first thing that comes to mind is like Adam and Eve, right?
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  You don't know what you don't know till you bite the apple and
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  then all of a sudden you like think about all these things.
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  So in some ways I think it definitely.
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  It gives you just a different perspective, different range to
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  think about when you're driving.
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  And I definitely have to check myself and I, I always go in and preface whenever I
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  start working with an engineer, like I'm like, look, I don't wanna do your job.
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  I'm going to try to like keep myself in my lane.
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  Definitely let me know, like if you're like.
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  Sabre, like, let me take this over.
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  Like, you don't need to worry about engineering the car right now.
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  Like actually this just happened in, in a test that we just had,
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  my engineer had to remind me.
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  He's like, Hey, your job is to just give me feedback about
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  balance of the car in this moment.
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  I don't want you to stress and feel like you need to help me solve the problem.
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  And that's also like.
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  Typical, I feel like girl, like people pleasing, like I always wanna help,
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  like I wanna contribute kind of thing.
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  So it's, it's definitely, I've very helpful to have like my engineer that I, I
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  work with this year, I work with very well and he's also has a driving background.
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  So I think that's also why we work really well together.
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  'cause he understands what I'm going through.
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  It is a challenge sometimes to keep them.
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  In the right lanes.
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  And I'm glad you brought that up because Motorsport has been
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  at the forefront of technology.
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  I mean, we can make arguments about planes, trains, and automobiles being
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  the things that drive technology forward, but racing, especially Formula One, and
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  then you kind of counter that with the hypercar at Lamont, things like that
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  are always cutting edge technology.
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  And so as we wrap up this thought on mechanical engineering and keeping that
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  lens on for just a little bit longer, when you look at the modern cars.
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  You're in sports car and endurance racing, which is gonna be a little bit different
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  because you're based on production cars.
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  But when you look at the technology that's out there, is there much more to give?
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  Is it all just finesse and fine tuning?
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  Unlike the old days where it was like these radical inventions and the
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  Formula One used to be at the height of experimentation, where now it's a
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  little bit more like a spec series.
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  So if you look at it not as a driver.
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  But as an engineer, what's the technology look like out there
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  right now on the race field?
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  Obviously, like you said in the series that I'm in with Horse Career
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  Cup and like the INS hepatic, it is a little bit more rained in except
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  for maybe the GTP side of things.
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  But as far as like anything that has to do with GT three cars, LMP two a
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  little bit, at the end of the day, it comes from a production or an OEM car.
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  It has to be within reason.
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  Like it can't be this like.
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  Craziness because the factories need to justify like why are we
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  putting an investment and research into racing if we're not even
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  gonna put it in our road cars?
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  'cause at the end of the day, that's ultimately how they justify racing all
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  the time is this is supposed to help push our road car technology forward
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  with Formula One though, I feel like the reason why, maybe like back in the day
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  when you referenced you had all these crazy monster machines and everything.
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  The engineering field was still very much developing.
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  There was like this big growth of things like they were learning really.
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  Like it got to the point where there was like so much horsepower, right?
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  But then they realized, oh, it doesn't really matter if you can go really fast
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  if we can't harness that, you know, with the brakes and the suspension and
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  like optimizing the package as a whole.
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  So once those two kind of like caught up to each other, there became kind
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  of this like, it's almost like an exponential growth and now it's kind
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  of like flat lining a little bit.
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  And now where the big innovations are happening is in
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  efficiency and sustainability.
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  So like a lot of the new rules that are happening in Formula One is I think it's
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  a gas that has to be made from food waste.
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  Yeah.
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  All the teams need to be able to create their own fuel and utilize that.
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  I can't remember what year it starts implementing.
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  Maybe 20, 29.
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  So like that's a big thing.
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  Obviously the hybrid system, like all the energy recovery systems, stuff like
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  that to make the cars unfortunately quieter, but more sustainable.
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  It's important because it helps us.
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  Yes.
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  Obviously F1 is a big show and it does have like its own carbon footprint to
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  be this big show, but they are realizing that they need to take into account
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  what current global needs are, and so I feel like it's another way for
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  racing to justify to be racing, right?
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  It's like, okay, well if this is the current technology and the issues
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  that are important to people right now is sustainability and all these
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  things, so we need to utilize this racing platform to be able to push that
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  technology if that's where it's at.
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  Right?
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  Alright, now I'm gonna ask you to take that mechanical engineering
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  fedora off your head and just fling it across the room like a Frisbee and
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  talk to me like a race car driver.
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  And what I'm driving to here is balance of performance.
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  'cause the argument is the balance of performance isn't about
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  engineering, it's about rules.
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  And putting on a good show, as you said, right?
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  So your thoughts on BOP, I mean, it's necessary so that way all manufacturers
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  can essentially compete in a level playing field, but it, it's always hard.
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  Not everyone is gonna always be happy, right?
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  There's always gonna be checks and balances and that's how endurance.
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  Racing is going to be until you make it like a spec series like Porsche
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  Career Cup where there is a, a such a smaller window, it's all the same cars.
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  So it's unfortunately part of it, it's how it works, so that way more
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  players can stay in the game in which we don't wanna eliminate that.
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  Right?
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  Like it's important to have that many manufacturers, as many as
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  possible in the world of racing.
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  'cause it's just better for the sport, it's better for the fans and it's
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  better for, for us as race car drivers.
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  Switching gears from the engineering side to the money side.
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  The other thing that fuels racing.
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  The main thing that fuels the main thing since time immemorial.
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  If it ain't daddy's money, it's somebody else's money that's fueling the racing.
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  Exactly.
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  So when you move from carting to the lower formula, that was requiring
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  a step up in terms of the financial commitment from your family, from
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  sponsors, what's the most challenging part of putting together sponsorships?
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  So, so many areas.
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  For reference, I didn't start racing cars until I was almost 23 years old
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  because I had an amazing family that was very supportive, and they did help quite
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  a bit with my carting side of things.
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  But it got to the point where I had to sustain that through
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  sponsorships and support from the factory teams, even in carting.
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  And so jumping up to that next level of budget in car racing.
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  Was outta the question, so I didn't go to cars until very late, like 23
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  is like way old to start your car career comparatively to, you know,
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  people starting at 14, 15 years old.
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  Now, going into car racing, I didn't have that opportunity until I found a sponsor
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  that was willing to put me in their car.
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  So I had to very quickly and haphazardly figure out how to put.
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  A much larger corporate sponsorship program together very quickly because
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  without me putting the corporate sponsorship together, there was no
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  racing, there was no family money.
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  There was not like it wasn't gonna happen.
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  It was either figure it out like baptism by fire, or uh, go
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  back and go be an engineer and forget about your racing dreams.
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  I obviously made a lot of mistakes.
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  I tried to figure it out, but I would say the the biggest thing to understand about
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  sponsorship is at the end of the day, it's about telling your story, building
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  a story that resonates with people, and getting people to buy into that story and
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  using that story to help someone meet.
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  Some need.
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  And if you're able to marry those together, you can make a very powerful
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  partnership that will last longer.
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  Like it's a business, right?
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  But ultimately businesses are made of people and people just
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  need a emotional justification to choose to be a part of your.
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  Program.
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  So yes, it's important to show a return on investment, but at the end of the day,
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  it is about them liking you as a person and believing in you and your story and
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  wanting to become a part of that story.
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  I think that's the biggest thing that I've realized about sponsorship.
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  We got a chance to meet at the Women with Drive Summit.
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  Sponsored by wna had a great time and I, I love how they emphasize the coaching
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  of young women drivers and to do things like sponsorships, how to go out and put
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  together their sponsorships and their package in order to fund their careers.
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  And one of the things they talked about, it is still a discussion about sponsors
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  still hesitated to fund women drivers.
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  At the same rate they fund male drivers.
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  Have you seen that change just in the time you've been driving?
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  Do you think there's been some movement or not enough movement, but some movement?
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  Absolutely.
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  I think women in sport in general are, uh, getting more sponsorship dollars
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  if we just look at the data 'cause.
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  I like to just look at the data.
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  In the past, traditionally, women globally have received less than
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  1% of sports sponsorship dollars.
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  That was a few years ago, and now I think we're maybe up between four to 6%.
• 18:43
  So that's like a big jump.
• 18:45
  It's still like extremely skewed, but that is progress and I've definitely
• 18:50
  seen it in more tangible ways.
• 18:52
  Like by me being involved in W Series and now being a part of the Porsche Mobile
• 18:57
  one female driver development program.
• 18:59
  There are definitely things that are moving and shifting.
• 19:03
  It's just gonna take time to reach more of an equality level.
• 19:07
  Which brings me to W Series.
• 19:08
  I'd love to know more about your experience moving into that, and
• 19:12
  I just realized that I saw you drive at Coda in W series in 2021.
• 19:16
  Yeah, there were two, two races that year.
• 19:17
  Moving on to what really is a global stage like that.
• 19:20
  Did it feel like they were just dialing up the intensity or did it
• 19:23
  feel like a completely different beast altogether before WS series,
• 19:27
  I'd actually raced on a Formula one weekend previously with U SF four.
• 19:30
  So I did race at code like oh.
• 19:32
  I'd been part of a an F1 weekend in that respect.
• 19:35
  But obviously WS series was kind of the next step up.
• 19:38
  We were very much in the public eye, became, you know, this new thing that
• 19:42
  everyone's like, how's this gonna go?
• 19:44
  Like, what's going on?
• 19:45
  And kind of the first of its kind.
• 19:47
  It was incredible because.
• 19:49
  Yes, I know a lot of people had their opinions about it and they have their
• 19:52
  opinions on F1 Academy, but as a racer, as we just talked about, corporate
• 19:56
  sponsorship is my bread and butter, and the only way I can chase my goals.
• 20:01
  So to have WS series come in and say, Hey, here's an opportunity to race
• 20:04
  an F three car on a global stage.
• 20:07
  You don't have to pay.
• 20:08
  Any of it, and you will get paid.
• 20:10
  All you have to do is qualify and be one of the fastest drivers.
• 20:13
  Like you say that to any race car driver.
• 20:14
  They're like, oh, okay, let's go.
• 20:17
  Where do I sign up?
• 20:18
  So for me it was, yes, I don't love the idea of the all women's thing
• 20:21
  because at the end of the day, we wanna be fighting just to be the
• 20:24
  top full stop, no gender involved.
• 20:27
  But until WS series, I'd never had a full season of car racing.
• 20:31
  So that became my first.
• 20:33
  Opportunity to actually have my first full season.
• 20:36
  So without that, no matter what your opinion is on it, it was so revitalizing
• 20:41
  for myself and so many other women that were a part of it, who otherwise
• 20:45
  were going to be on the sidelines.
• 20:47
  A huge step in terms of visibility, if nothing else.
• 20:50
  Absolutely.
• 20:51
  So I've been following along with the Academy as well.
• 20:53
  Do you think the Academy model is an improvement on the W Series model?
• 20:57
  I think that it has definitely engaged the F1 fan base more, and that has
• 21:05
  been helpful, that it is branded with the Formula One brand and it has that
• 21:09
  giant behind it that has been positive because it's given it more reach.
• 21:13
  The only thing that is, I don't wanna say a step backwards, but it's not as
• 21:17
  beneficial to the drivers, is that it's not as much based off of qualifying
• 21:23
  to be one of the fastest in the seats.
• 21:25
  You still have to bring money.
• 21:27
  Not like W Series where it's like you show up as a pro, you get paid to drive
• 21:31
  and you don't have to bring any money.
• 21:33
  F1 Academy is a little bit of a different structure, and it's also F four
• 21:36
  cars, so the cars are slower as well.
• 21:39
  It's like kind of give and take, but I think ultimately, like in the long
• 21:42
  run, I hope that it's going to create this ladder to having more women
• 21:47
  performing at the top in the road to F1.
• 21:50
  Tell us about the Porsche development program and how
• 21:52
  you got involved with that.
• 21:53
  Porsche Motor PORs, north America didn't have a female driver development program
• 21:57
  until 2023 when I became the founding member and the only member in 2023 when
• 22:03
  I became the first female to race in the Porsche Career Cup North America series.
• 22:07
  So it was really actually super cool of Porsche to be intuitive
• 22:11
  and they are paying so much more attention than you realize.
• 22:15
  Like when I was first looking at the idea of going into Porsche Kera Cup,
• 22:20
  who, by the way, the reason why this happened was because of Lynn St. James,
• 22:24
  who is one of the co-founders of wna.
• 22:26
  She said, Hey, you know, this looks like a great series.
• 22:29
  Like it's super competitive.
• 22:31
  It has a lot of potential to put you in a good spot to then build into stuff
• 22:36
  long term in the sports car world.
• 22:38
  And so I was like, okay, like let's.
• 22:40
  Take a look at it.
• 22:41
  Let's see what it is.
• 22:42
  We wouldn't announce anything.
• 22:44
  There was nothing public going on, but OSHA just paying
• 22:47
  attention to what was happening.
• 22:49
  They realized, Hey, what's going on?
• 22:52
  You wanna race in the series?
• 22:53
  And so the fact that they just like, were paying so much attention to realize that
• 22:58
  without any sort of formal conversation and say, Hey, okay, you wanna do this?
• 23:02
  How can we help you do this?
• 23:04
  And then even bringing their own corporate partners in to make it happen.
• 23:08
  What other OEM is really actually doing something like that.
• 23:12
  So I felt like incredibly thankful and grateful for them to want to create that
• 23:18
  space and then not just stop with me being in the series, you know, and be
• 23:21
  like, oh, that box checked done right.
• 23:23
  Like every year with the help of mobile one, they've expanded the program and
• 23:27
  now I think there's like seven of us.
• 23:29
  Now total in the Porsche Motorsports North America ladder.
• 23:32
  So it's grown so much and it's growing every year.
• 23:36
  They're just getting better about providing us with new things to
• 23:39
  learn more resources or workshops.
• 23:41
  It's been an awesome thing to be a part of.
• 23:43
  After doing a couple of seasons of Open Wheel and making the switch to Porsche
• 23:47
  Cup racing, what was that transition like?
• 23:49
  Do you like production based racing or sports car racing over the open wheel, or
• 23:53
  do you still kinda long for the days of being in an open wheel car as a driver?
• 23:57
  Right.
• 23:57
  Sports car racing.
• 23:58
  Ultimately it's a street car that gets kind of turned into a race car.
• 24:02
  And a formula car is a purpose built, born bred race car.
• 24:07
  So it's meant to do all the all the right things, right?
• 24:10
  So it is very challenging to jump into a sports car world after being
• 24:14
  in the open world world and coming into a car that you have to think
• 24:18
  your way around more because a nine 11, especially it's engineered wrong,
• 24:23
  the engine is buying the rear wheels.
• 24:24
  I'm, I'm glad you said it, not me.
• 24:27
  It's fine.
• 24:27
  They know it.
• 24:28
  It's the legacy, right?
• 24:29
  Like it is what made Porsche.
• 24:31
  Porsche.
• 24:31
  So it is a very challenging car, but it makes drivers, it gives
• 24:37
  them a bigger toolbox to pull from.
• 24:39
  Because it is challenging and you do have to really be in tune with using
• 24:44
  your tools in the car and driving the car with your feet, using your driver
• 24:50
  tools to really help the balance.
• 24:51
  Like I feel like there's not a lot of production cars that are at
• 24:54
  the same level of Porsche Car Cup, where it really pushes the driver to
• 24:58
  evolve and develop in the same way.
• 25:00
  That's why, you know, they say if you can be fast in a nine 11.
• 25:02
  You can be fast in anything.
• 25:04
  After my experience being in the career cup, going back and driving anything
• 25:09
  that I would've driven before, like open wheel, I'm a hundred percent faster.
• 25:12
  So like it's made me a better driver because it's given me a
• 25:16
  larger range of tools to utilize.
• 25:19
  It's been challenging, but it has definitely made me grow.
• 25:22
  Coming off of the GT three based nine elevens, the modern era stuff, nine.
• 25:26
  Nine ones nine, nine twos and things like that, have you been able to get behind
• 25:30
  the seat of a classic analog nine 11 and kind of compare and contrast what
• 25:33
  the new cars are like versus what some of your heroes have driven in the past?
• 25:37
  The first Porsche I ever drove.
• 25:39
  It's kind of analog, maybe like it still has some, like in theory
• 25:42
  it has like a blip, but it's like a mechanical blip where it has,
• 25:46
  actually, the thing that pushes the gas pedal down is the UH, 9, 9 7.
• 25:50
  So that was the first GT three cup car I'd ever driven.
• 25:53
  The sponsor that I mentioned that put me in my first race car, it was his.
• 25:56
  So I was destined, I guess, to find my way into a Porsche
• 26:00
  eventually, one way or another.
• 26:02
  But that was my first experience in a Porsche TT three Cup car.
• 26:05
  And I loved it because it's super raw.
• 26:08
  Like the 9, 9 7 is a shorter wheel base.
• 26:10
  We've really aggressive with it.
• 26:12
  And I, most of my carting background was in shifter cards, so getting
• 26:17
  in one of those was like, ah, this is like, this is awesome.
• 26:21
  So much, like, so similar.
• 26:23
  So it was a great introduction.
• 26:24
  I read on your Wikipedia page about, as part of the development program, you
• 26:28
  got coaching from Patrick Long, who is a friend of the museum and a very cool guy.
• 26:32
  Yeah, pat has been awesome, like such a great resource for
• 26:36
  me and he's a really cool guy.
• 26:38
  Like just so, so accessible, so chill, and I feel like I can, you know,
• 26:42
  message him or call him and just be like, Hey, this is what's going on.
• 26:46
  Like, how do you think I should handle it?
• 26:48
  Like, what should I do?
• 26:48
  Like, do you have advice?
• 26:50
  He is always like there to make sure that you as a driver and an
• 26:54
  athlete are getting what you need.
• 26:56
  Like he's going to always put you first and want the best for you
• 27:00
  as a person regardless of all the other things that lie out there.
• 27:03
  Because you know, at the end of the day, he's a race car driver.
• 27:06
  He knows what we're going through and he just wants to be like.
• 27:09
  That mentor and give us advice that, you know, he wished that
• 27:12
  he would've had at the time when he was going through all of this.
• 27:15
  So he's been a incredible resource and it was super cool to see him in the F1 movie.
• 27:19
  I thought that was, that was a nice, uh, nice little cameo.
• 27:23
  He did a great job.
• 27:24
  And, uh, yeah, we just had him as well at, we have a Porsche
• 27:27
  driver combine every year.
• 27:29
  Um, it's been the last couple years it's been at Penske in, uh, Charlotte and he
• 27:33
  came this year and kind of gave us a, an impromptu inspirational speech and
• 27:37
  it was just great to have him there and I really appreciate all of the advice
• 27:42
  and, uh, mentorship that he's provided.
• 27:44
  And there's someone you wanna talk to about driving Porsches.
• 27:46
  He's the guy, right?
• 27:48
  Yes.
• 27:48
  Yeah.
• 27:49
  Well, Lauren, if we're name dropping, Patrick was on Evening with the legend,
• 27:53
  along with another one of Sabres heroines out there, and that's Margie Smith.
• 27:58
  Ha.
• 27:58
  And you guys did a video together about generations of Porsche drivers.
• 28:02
  You wanna talk about that a little bit?
• 28:03
  What that video was about for the folks that haven't seen it before?
• 28:06
  That was a super fun project that Porsche USA came to me
• 28:10
  and Margie with and said, Hey.
• 28:12
  This is such a powerful story, like we're gonna bring in, you know,
• 28:15
  the current driver and the one that started blazing the trail and then has
• 28:19
  this story with the Porsche family.
• 28:21
  And we'd love to tell your stories together, introduce both of you to our
• 28:26
  Porsche community together and just share this awesome story that's kind of evolved
• 28:30
  through the years and see how the growth has happened for women in motor sports.
• 28:34
  So it was actually really cool.
• 28:35
  The director had this fun idea that she didn't want us to meet.
• 28:38
  Until they could capture it on camera.
• 28:41
  So Margie and I were actually kept totally separate in the hair and makeup rooms.
• 28:45
  Like I didn't see her, I didn't get to talk to her like we went to
• 28:48
  dinner separately the night before.
• 28:50
  They were like, no, we don't want you guys to meet because
• 28:52
  we wanna capture this moment.
• 28:54
  On camera.
• 28:55
  So they kept us separate.
• 28:56
  We'd started shooting in the morning and then I was in the car and they brought
• 29:00
  Margie out onto the track on the side of the track, and they captured the
• 29:04
  moment of us meeting for the first time.
• 29:06
  And it was so awesome.
• 29:08
  Like I'd never met Margie before, obviously, and it was great to just.
• 29:12
  Meet her and see like how much awesome experiences she had to share.
• 29:16
  Just how much she still like loved and appreciated the motor sports
• 29:20
  experience she's had, and then the shared the love of the Porsche family
• 29:24
  and how many great things she's gotten to experience being involved
• 29:27
  in such a strong community and like.
• 29:29
  The support she receives and the great things that she has to say about the
• 29:33
  Porsche Club of America community and just all the cool things that she got
• 29:37
  to experience back in the day and how different it was and like, you know,
• 29:40
  the challenges, things that she dealt with too, that are much better today,
• 29:43
  but were, we do see some of the similar trends, but it was an incredible time
• 29:48
  to get to spend with her and uh, I think the video turned out great as well.
• 29:51
  So, props to the Porsche, USA and their production team,
• 29:54
  'cause it turned out really well.
• 29:55
  Do you plan to follow in Margie's footsteps?
• 29:57
  And be one of the very few American women to race at Lamont.
• 30:01
  That's the plan.
• 30:02
  That's always the dream, right?
• 30:03
  So we'll see how, uh, how and when we can make that happen.
• 30:06
  Okay, so quick pit stop before we transition.
• 30:09
  What are your top three tracks to drive?
• 30:12
  Now it's kind of a tie, but Brands, hatch, gp, circuit, and spa.
• 30:17
  For sure for a third one.
• 30:19
  Um, I would say either, did I hear Watkins Glen?
• 30:25
  Is that what she said?
• 30:26
  I mean, I like Watkins Glen, but I don't know.
• 30:29
  I've never raced on Laguna Seca, so I don't know if I can fully say that yet.
• 30:33
  I would, I've, I've driven there but never raced.
• 30:35
  So like, I liked ASIN in the Netherlands and I actually really enjoy Coda.
• 30:40
  So I don't know.
• 30:41
  Those are kind of like.
• 30:42
  All time for third, you like having a nice steep incline.
• 30:46
  Apparently that's what you really like between Coda and
• 30:48
  Spa, that's what you really like.
• 30:50
  Apparently.
• 30:50
  Well, I'm a Colorado girl at heart.
• 30:52
  That's right.
• 30:53
  I'm like, I need my mountains.
• 30:55
  I need, you know, I gotta have some elevation changes.
• 30:57
  So if she could drive road Atlanta backwards, it'd be perfect.
• 31:00
  Oh, true.
• 31:01
  Yeah.
• 31:02
  Well, since Lauren opened the door for a pit stop, I got one for you.
• 31:05
  We haven't asked this one.
• 31:06
  Of one of our guests in quite a long time.
• 31:08
  But since you have a mechanical engineering degree, Sabre, you
• 31:11
  are at the head of the boardroom table, and two blueprints are slid
• 31:16
  to you to decide on by your team.
• 31:18
  One is the space forward 9 59, and the other one is the fire breathing F 40.
• 31:24
  Which one do you pick?
• 31:26
  Hmm.
• 31:27
  F 40 wins again, so, okay.
• 31:30
  Explain why I feel like it's more overall balanced and I
• 31:35
  appreciate the arrow elements more.
• 31:37
  Does that make sense?
• 31:38
  It does.
• 31:39
  We get a lot of different answers for this, and it tends
• 31:42
  to be about the passion in F 40.
• 31:44
  Yeah.
• 31:45
  Clinically, the 9 59 is better on paper, but as a driver,
• 31:49
  the F 40 is the car you want.
• 31:51
  It makes you excited to think about driving it.
• 31:54
  Exactly.
• 31:54
  Yeah.
• 31:56
  I guess my driver ultimately took over instead of the
• 31:59
  engineer brain, but it's okay.
• 32:00
  The score is way off into Ferrari's corner for that one.
• 32:03
  But anyway.
• 32:04
  Well, I wanted to know a little more about getting ready for a typical race weekend.
• 32:07
  What your life looks like as a racing driver.
• 32:09
  What does the week up to the race look like?
• 32:11
  What are you doing to get physically, mentally prepared?
• 32:14
  What kind of sponsorship commitments do you have?
• 32:17
  And if you feel like you're a driver who actually kind of.
• 32:19
  Gets juiced up by those kind of event commitments or you find
• 32:23
  them draining and distracting.
• 32:25
  I am naturally introverted.
• 32:28
  I appreciate my, uh, recharge time, but I definitely appreciate the fact
• 32:35
  that I get the chance and I want to feel grateful for those opportunities.
• 32:38
  You know, before a race weekend where.
• 32:41
  We're living in a space right now and you know, it could change tomorrow,
• 32:44
  but the fact that I have the chance to create an event that people are excited
• 32:48
  to show up at and meet me and see the car like that is something special.
• 32:52
  And so I, I really try to be grateful for those opportunities, but I will
• 32:57
  admit, like it does wear you out.
• 32:58
  So you just have to kind of manage your energy going into a race weekend, kind
• 33:03
  of as we talked about earlier, I try to do too many things pretty often.
• 33:06
  I'm definitely the overcommitment type, so I've been working on doing
• 33:10
  a little bit less or like a little less stress going into race weekends,
• 33:14
  creating a better tapering mental and physical load going into a race weekend.
• 33:20
  It is challenging 'cause as a race car driver, like you wanna do a great job
• 33:23
  for your partners on and off the track.
• 33:25
  And so having those, creating those events.
• 33:28
  Doing those activations before a race weekend is really important to continue
• 33:32
  to build not only my brand, but also connect my sponsors to more people.
• 33:37
  So it's definitely a fine line that you have to walk to have balance.
• 33:41
  What's something about a career as a driver that would surprise most people
• 33:44
  who have regular nine to five jobs?
• 33:47
  Well, I think most people don't realize that we don't get paid
• 33:49
  to race except for, unless you're some of the elite few, right?
• 33:53
  Like you have to bring, whether that's.
• 33:55
  Family money, uh, which is often the case, or you bring corporate
• 33:59
  sponsorship to the team to race, like you're not sending in your resume.
• 34:04
  There is obviously those situations where that does happen, but the majority of
• 34:08
  racing happens by bringing funding to the team and you have to work on getting
• 34:13
  paid outside of that, whether that's coming from an extra amount that you
• 34:17
  have in sponsorship dollars or that.
• 34:19
  Mostly come from me from coaching, engineering, work, media, work,
• 34:24
  sim coaching, all that extra stuff.
• 34:26
  That's where you actually get paid, not necessarily from a team paying.
• 34:31
  You talked about following in the footsteps of people like Margie and
• 34:35
  others that have come before you.
• 34:36
  Taking this information in mind, a lot of people probably haven't thought of before.
• 34:41
  What advice would you give to young drivers?
• 34:43
  Especially young ladies that wanna follow in your footsteps.
• 34:46
  For anybody, it's just really important to understand that
• 34:49
  motorsports is a lifestyle.
• 34:51
  It's not just a job.
• 34:52
  It's not just about doing cool things and going to cool places as
• 34:56
  much as like we do get to do that.
• 34:58
  But it's important to, I think, to understand like the level of commitment
• 35:01
  that it takes to be successful in motor sports and the sacrifices that you're
• 35:05
  going to have to make to make your goals.
• 35:08
  What, and that's not just as a driver, that's, you know, whether you're an
• 35:11
  engineer or a mechanic, like those guys do not get enough appreciation for the hours
• 35:16
  and blood, sweat, and tears that have to be put in to make our race cars go fast.
• 35:21
  So I would just say be prepared to, to work hard to.
• 35:23
  To make it your lifestyle, but also the other thing that I would say
• 35:27
  is really important is to build a really good team around you.
• 35:30
  Trying to do it all by yourself does not work no matter what industry you're
• 35:34
  in, having the people that you know are gonna be there in your corner and
• 35:37
  able to direct you in the right path.
• 35:40
  I mean, it's instrumental for anybody, but especially for anybody
• 35:43
  that's, you know, an athlete trying to make their way in their sport.
• 35:46
  In watching some of the lower series or even some of the, the people still
• 35:50
  in carting, are there any young people you have your eye on that you think we
• 35:52
  should also be watching at this time?
• 35:54
  I will be honest, it's been a long time since I've been to a go-kart race.
• 35:58
  I, I think the last time I was maybe coaching at one last year, but it's been
• 36:02
  a while, so I don't know if I have the best inside scoop as far as carting goes.
• 36:07
  But car-wise.
• 36:09
  I would say, actually somebody that's really impressed
• 36:12
  me, her name is Anna Sini.
• 36:15
  I'm gonna, I don't know how to say her last name, but she just started
• 36:18
  racing and she's in Porsche Sprint Challenge first year in the GT four cars.
• 36:22
  I think this is like maybe her first competitive or like really actual,
• 36:25
  like more pro season in racing ever.
• 36:28
  She didn't do carting nothing like, did like a track day with her dad, and her and
• 36:32
  her dad are like, let's do this together.
• 36:34
  This will be fun.
• 36:35
  And then she quickly became faster than her dad.
• 36:38
  I think maybe they did like a WL race or something like that, like
• 36:41
  the year before, and now they're full on in enforce Sprint challenge.
• 36:44
  She's winning consistently in the GT four cars in Porsche Spring Challenge.
• 36:48
  To have no background and to be going in and doing that, I feel
• 36:52
  like that's pretty impressive.
• 36:53
  The other people that I would definitely say impress me is the Hannah's.
• 36:56
  If you don't know them, they're teammates in SRO, traditionally,
• 37:00
  Hannah Greenmeyer and Hannah Grisha.
• 37:02
  Hannah Greenmeyer, I have known for a long time.
• 37:05
  She's a local Colorado girl as well.
• 37:07
  Maybe a little bit of Colorado pride going on there, but she's
• 37:09
  always been really, really fast.
• 37:11
  Works really hard.
• 37:12
  Her and Hannah Grisham are doing a really great job in the GT four
• 37:15
  cars and have gotten some really, really solid results lately.
• 37:18
  So I would say definitely, probably those are my top ones.
• 37:21
  If you wanna think about over the pond though, I would probably say
• 37:25
  the two latest F1 Academy winners, Marta Garcia and Abby Polling.
• 37:30
  I race with them in W series and they're both wicked fast.
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  Abby has Alice Powell as a mentor and I think she could do some, some great
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  things if given the right opportunities.
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  What's next for you?
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  What's next?
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  Well, immediately we have our Indianapolis race coming up.
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  Event-wise, I will be doing an event at my alma Mater, Colorado School of Mines,
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  so I'm really looking forward to that.
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  But as far as overarching for next year, I actually can't give you an
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  answer because there's some, uh, interesting things in the works.
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  We'll see what comes to fruition, but I will be staying in the Porsche family,
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  but I just can't tell you where yet.
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  No spoilers.
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  No spoilers yet.
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  Well, Sabre, we've reached that part of the episode where I like
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  to invite our guests to share any shout outs, promotions.
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  Thank you.
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  Is there anything else that we haven't covered thus far?
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  All of my social media and anything you wanna learn about me and my
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  partners@Sabrecookracing.com.
• 38:22
  And, uh, you can subscribe to my newsletter and go
• 38:25
  check out my YouTube channel.
• 38:26
  Whatever you wanna see is all found in that one convenient location.
• 38:30
  And that's wrap our conversation with the incredible Sapr Cook.
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  An inspiring force in motor sports who proves that talent determination
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  and technical expertise are a winning combination, both on and off the
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  track from her early days in karting to competing on the global stage.
• 38:44
  Sabre's story is one of resilience, innovation, and
• 38:47
  relentless passion for racing.
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  If you wanna keep up with Saber's journey, be sure to follow her on Instagram at
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  Saber Cook, Twitter at Sabre Cook and Facebook at Sabre Cook Racing, or find
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  at mor website, saber cook racing.com.
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  With that Sabre, I can't thank you enough for coming on Break Fix.
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  I have to say you're making all the right moves.
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  You are a great role model for aspiring drivers, and hopefully
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  they will heed your advice.
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  From this episode, and we wish you continued success
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  in the Porsche Cup series or whatever's going on with Porsche.
• 39:16
  And let's manifest it right now, shall we?
• 39:19
  One day Lama.
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  And when that comes to be, we hope to have you back here for an evening
• 39:25
  with a legend episode so you can talk about your experiences at lama.
• 39:28
  I look forward to it.
• 39:29
  It's gonna happen.
• 39:30
  I'm gonna see you guys.
• 39:31
  We'll, we'll, we'll make it happen one day at a time.
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