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The Power Of Coconut Oil For Cats · Back In The Closet - Two Crazy Cat Ladies

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I'm Jay, I'm Adrian, and together we are crazy.
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Ladies, I'm going to cut you. I think I just peed.
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Buckle up. We're back in the.
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Closet Welcome to another episode of a back in the closet
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with the 2 crazy cat ladies. Guys, we are so excited to have
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back on our podcast two of our most favorite beautiful humans
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on the planet and brilliant masterminds behind
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cocotherapy.com. Carmina and Carissa, thank you
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so much for joining us. Thanks.
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For having us. And we, I mean, I know that most
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of our people already know you and your beautiful work that you
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do and the beautiful work that is going on the field, all the
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toys that you guys have made, all that kind of stuff.
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Tonight is going to be about coconut oil.
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But for anyone who hasn't met you guys yet, would you guys do
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a short intro? Especially since you're
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identical twins? Because this be it is going to
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You don't even wear different colors tonight.
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There's like no hope for anything.
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Yeah, right. Well, we come from a family of
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people who have grown coconuts and made coconut oil for three
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generations. So it's been a part of our, of
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our life since we were born. So it's something that we know
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about and we have used for, for everything, for cooking, for
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first aid. We've given it to our animals.
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My grandma would make the coconut oil in her kitchen.
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So it's just a big. Part of our.
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You know what we know? Yeah.
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And I I I think. Because we grew up with it and
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that's the only oil we use, by the way, in the Philippines.
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I don't know if it's cultural, but veterinarians use it for
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animals. They recommend it to animals all
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the time. It's part of their diet.
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So it's, you know, it's something that we've.
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Lived. With since you know for three
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generations. I love it so much.
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Very sorry about the Ding that just happened.
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It's notific. I forget to shut off my
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notification for these. That's OK.
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And my dog's barking. It was everything.
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He hears me talking. It's.
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Real life. It's real life.
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We're back in the closet. We didn't slide so that so that
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we could just, you know, bring it real.
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So I. Remember being mind blown by you
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guys though, because you know, I grew up coconut oil was not
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really a thing. You know olive oil, Sure.
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You use olive oil to cook with. You didn't really realize all
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the different applications or coconut oil.
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And so listen to some of these stories and the things that it
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just, it's just, it's just fascinating.
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Well, and interesting that you say that veterinarians in the
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Philippines use coconut oil on their clients because we first
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learned about the benefit of coconut oil, not actually from
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you, but talking about your products from a world renowned
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veterinarian Doctor Karen Becker.
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And she was talking about how the the power of coconut oil and
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how it helps with her clients, dogs specifically at that time
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is what she was talking about and all the modalities that she
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was using it for. And we were like, what?
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And then she had recommended cocoa therapy and we were like,
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let's look into this. And then we're like, we got to
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meet these girls. But so.
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Yeah. So go ahead.
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Well. Can we start with the basics?
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Because, you know, it's like olive oil has, you know, people
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I think understand olive oil, avocado oil.
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When you're thinking about coconut oil in general, not all
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coconut oils are created equal. Can you explain?
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Not all oils are created equal, right?
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Right. Well, but still, it's like I
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remember people asking it was always the number one question
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and I had what do you use for cats?
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What kind of olive oil? So what are the different olive
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coconut oil? What are the different kinds of
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coconut oils out there? And how do they you know, are
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there different applications for different kinds?
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Do you only recommend one kind are?
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They all just the same across the board.
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Right, right. Well, first, coconut oil is so
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unique. I think it's the most unique fat
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because first of all, it's a saturated fat.
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So that alone scares people. But there's different kinds of
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saturated fat. There's a long chain and medium
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chain saturated fats. So coconut oil is the only
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medium chain fat, and it's usually found in coconuts, palm
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oil and mother's milk. Those are the three.
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Places where you can get medium chain saturated fats.
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And because saturated fats are so misunderstood, it tends to
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scare people. And a lot of like the American
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Heart Association, they have one blanket statement.
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Stay away from saturated fats. Go with polyunsaturated fats.
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When polyunsale. Yeah, like olive oil, well,
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that's a monounsaturated, you know, but polyunsaturated canola
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oil, seed oils, vegetable oils, those are very pro inflammatory,
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but they brainwash people into saying polyunsaturated fats are
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better for you. The thing is polyunsaturated
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fats are very unstable. They oxidize easily and they
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cause oxidative stress on the body.
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They're actually very cancerous and they're studied on that,
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yeah. But I feel like we all know that
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now, like when it's like canola oil, right?
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Like people say, maybe they don't know the the
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polyunsaturated term, but they know specific seed oils.
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Lots of studies out there, these, you know, these, these
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canola oil like they're like, they're always like people are
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like staying away from them now. Yeah, they're very pro
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inflammatory. So coconut oil because it gets
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lumped as in the saturated fat basket automatically very bad
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for you, it'll clog your arteries, etcetera.
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But what makes coconut oil so unique is that the way it's
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metabolized. So it's metabolized very easily
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and cleanly, different from long chain saturated fats, which is
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like the meats and the, you know, like animal protein fat.
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So it doesn't need bile acids or pancreatic lipase to break it
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down. So if you eat coconut oil, it
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goes through the portal vein to the liver and it's broken down
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and converted to ketones, which we know is a very clean form of
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energy. Yeah.
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So that actually ketones can actually cross the blood brain
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barrier and nourish your brain. So at a cellular level, it's
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actually really good for you because it's low stress
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metabolic metabolically, whereas long chain fats, you need Chylo
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Micron activity, it actually gets transported out through
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your your intestines. You need bile acids and to be
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digested. So that's why people think that.
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I mean, it's, it's stresses your pancreas.
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So coconut oil being a saturated fat, thinking like it's a long
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chain fat, although the metabolism pathway is extremely
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different. That's where they think, oh, it
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must cause pancreatitis, which it actually doesn't, but.
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Yeah, but there's so many applications to coconut oil,
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like you were saying, just the benefits alone, especially for
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cats. People know that cats might be
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sensitive to fats, for example. If they can't metabolize it
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easily, will they get fatty? Liver disease.
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So. But there's so many things about
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coconut oil that actually helps animals.
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And you might want to talk. Well, like, yeah, yeah.
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Well, you know what? I think we, we, I think we
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didn't answer your question. Your answer.
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Yeah. She's the Barker.
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Your aunt, your question, question was the differences
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between coconut oil. So I think we kind of went to
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the differences between saturated fat and why coconut
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oil is so villainized. But there are so many
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differences with coconut oil. There is some refined oil,
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partially refined oil, there's cold pressed oil, there's
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fractionated coconut oil. There's oil for therapeutic
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purposes, which is what we make that has to have really high
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medium chain fatty acid content. And there's oil for cosmetic
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purposes, which is the oil. It's, it's refined.
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They use that for shampoo and soap conditioners.
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There is cooking oil, food grade oil, which is better than
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cosmetic grade oil, but it is partially refined as well.
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So they use that for cooking. You can tell by the melting
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points. You can see when it melts, it's
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different. You can also smell the
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difference. So it's used for different
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applications. Coconut oil is used in a variety
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of things. But for our coconut oil, what we
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make it for is specifically for therapeutic benefits.
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And they're actually, there's actually you many different ways
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to make coconut oil. And because our family made
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coconut oil for the therapeutic industry, meaning we, yeah, for
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the nutraceutical industry to make preemie baby formulas,
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which needs a lot of Laura capric and capric acids and also
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for lauric acid supplements. So that's the the industry that
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our family focused on and that's the oil that we wanted to bring
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to to our animals because that's the healthiest oil.
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Thinking talking about the the the brain barrier.
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That's why you guys are so smart.
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Gross like go on. You guys are so, so smart.
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I love hearing you guys talk about tell.
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Me if I'm wrong though because when people ask I always say
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organic unrefined which is also another word for virgin right?
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Rust. Coconut oil is that's what we
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use to cook with. That's what we use for
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ourselves, your cooking. We use yours for, for pets and
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that's what we use for our cats. Now I want to talk a little bit
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about you had mentioned earlier and I think that was something,
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you know, that a lot of people had concerns about.
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Never give coconut oil if you have pancreatitis.
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Never give coconut oil if there's any kind of GI upset.
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And, and I do understand that there as with anything natural,
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different cats will respond differently to different doses,
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to different frequencies. All of that, we have found it to
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be hugely helpful for our cat that was dealing with
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Constipation, for cats that are dealing with hair balls, amazing
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for topical issues, right? Like, and it's one of those
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things that you don't have to worry about your cat ingesting
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because it is not something. Are there any things in the
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research that you've done, in the research that you've read,
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where this cat should never get organic cold pressed virgin
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coconut oil? We have not seen any research
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that says cats should not have organic cold pressed virgin
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coconut oil. In fact, in our experience, and
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we've had cats many, many years, coconut oil, we know the general
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benefits like we say healthy skin and coat,
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anti-inflammatory, antibacterial, et cetera.
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But we've seen incidences where coconut oil has literally helped
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our cats like beyond what people understand.
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For example, I had a Ragdoll cat, he was about £20 in his
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prime and towards the end of his life, you know, either get sick,
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they get old, etcetera. There's one time when he started
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to stop eating. So, you know, you get worried
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when cats stop eating. Suddenly he was eating but he
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was losing weight very quickly. So in the back of my head I'm
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thinking, OK, fatty liver disease, he might get hepatic
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lipidosis, right. So, and he, his appetite wasn't
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there, but I started giving him coconut oil knowing that giving
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him coconut oil will not 'cause fatty liver disease.
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And we took his lipid profile and we were checking because we
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went to Doctor Watson, who is strictly a cat vet and he knows
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quite a lot about cats. And he says just because you're
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giving a fat like coconut oil to a cat doesn't mean he's going to
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get fatty liver disease. In fact, it helped Noomi because
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he, his body didn't go into starvation diet mode.
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For example, 'cause if you, if you get fatty liver disease and
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the cat stops eating right, they need fat to burn energy.
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And what happens is they start getting fat from around their
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body to burn and their liver is not working as well.
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So the liver starts to store that fat, right.
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So because I was giving him an alternative easy source of
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energy like coconut oil, he never stored that fat and it
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actually he didn't have to get the fat from his body because he
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was a big boy, you know what I mean?
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He did not get any sense of that.
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So I honestly think, and he lived for many years after that
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and he was completely fine. It actually helped.
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Nourish them so it was not a problem.
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Yeah. And I've I had a cat who had
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pancreatitis. He was diagnosed.
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Another thing. Yeah, he was diagnosed at when
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he was 15 years old. He lived to be almost 20 with
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pancreatitis. It was he could not handle.
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He couldn't handle fat, not even fish oil.
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I couldn't even give him fish oil.
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I mean, it would just make him vomit and get him out of
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pancreatitis, but I gave him coconut oil during his last
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years of his life. I switched to MCT oil because it
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has less of the long chain fats because if they get, you know,
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super sensitive, you're asking, you know, which cats can and
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can't. He's had coconut all all his
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life, but towards the end I with a diagnosis of pancreatitis, I
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knew he still needed fat to thrive.
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He just can't cut fat out of the diet.
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So I did give him the coconut oil and my and doctor Watson,
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same cat vet, he totally approved of it.
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It actually helped him thrive because what shocked my vet
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actually is typically he says that he's so young and he as he
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gets older, it could progress to triaditis, which is an
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inflammation of the, you know, cholangitis, the bile duct and
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IBD. The inflammation and and the gut
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because they're kind of related, they're all Itis.
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It's like if you get one of the pancreatitis, eventually if you
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don't take care of it, it will progress to one of the other
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three, or it may progress. To the other 3 and so he was
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really worried about that and he's saying we need to watch for
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that so that it doesn't happen but it never happened and he was
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actually pretty like impressed yeah with the.
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The fact that it it didn't, it progressed to that level because
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at his age when he was diagnosed and living to 20, and he also
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had kidney disease. So that was a whole balancing
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act. And I was not obviously afraid
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to give him coconut oil. As a matter of fact, I really
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felt, and with approval of Doctor Watson, who is not
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necessarily a holistic vet, he's also very conventional.
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But he understands medium chain fatty acids and he knows cats
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very, very well. So he totally.
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Yeah, approved of that, of us giving it.
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I think, well, fat is a vital macronutrient and if you strip
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fats from the diet, so you have the proteins and you have the
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carbs, they need fats and they will they'll suffer without it.
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So you need to give them an easy form of fats.
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So we do know that, OK, it's not, it doesn't, does not need
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chylomicron activity. It doesn't go into the lymphatic
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system. In fact, it goes straight to the
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liver. It's converted into ketones and
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uses energy and everybody needs that for your brain, for your
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cells. So I think that's that's one of
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the reasons why our cats have thrived so much on it.
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And we've seen that in the Philippines, living all their
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lives with their animals, they're with their farm cats.
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Or our farm cats at the farm, they lick up and eat coconut
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oil. The scraps, the scraps, the
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coconut oil. I mean, they're constantly
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eating coconut oil. They put it in their food.
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I mean, they eat what people here would call table scraps,
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but in the Philippines they don't call it table scraps.
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They call it cat food because they're making food for their
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cats and they will put coconut oil in their food.
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Because that's what veterinarians they recommend.
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It's very. Strange it is.
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Yeah, the. Difference between there and
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here. That's the that's the the the
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strange thing you know what's interesting is I literally just
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right before this podcast answered a question from
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Newsweek about senior cats and listening to you guys now, I
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wish I would have waited till after answer this because you
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think about like the the cognitive issues you think about
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coconut oil. They, they were talking about,
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the question was about, you know, senior cats that are, or
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aloof or low maintenance pets because they lay around a lot
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and they're not doing much. And, and I was talking about how
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like we have to be engaged with them and we have to get them up
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and, and moving around in eating a good diet and all that stuff.
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But think about coconut oil and what that can do for a senior
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cat that is, you know, just not, doesn't have that energy, you
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know, like that's, that's, that's amazing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Ask, can I ask, so we get your beautiful jars.
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That's what we cook with. That's what we give our cats for
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just a little snack, a little treat.
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But you guys also make the MCT 3 oils.
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That is, it's a it's a different kind of oil.
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We will put it in coffee. But but I see a comment here
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from Lori, seeing the MCT 3 coconut oil has really helped my
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cat Leo with his feeling hyperthesia.
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It's also helped with his cognitive issues as Jane was
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just mentioned as mentioning. What's the difference between
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that? Is that like an an extract of
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the best of the best? What is?
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Yeah, tell us the difference between MCT oil and coconut oil.
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So, so basically coconut oil as we know is about 6063% medium
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chain fats. And then the other, they have
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long chain fats, right? The, the MCT oil is just all
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medium chain fats, which is caprylic, lauric and capric
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acid. So we take away any long chain
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fats. So if a cat's extremely
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sensitive to fat or you need something that will really
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convert to energy quickly cross blood brain barrier, it's the
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MCT oil. So MCT oil is kind of like so
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MCT oil. About 9596% medium chain.
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Coconut oil is 64% medium chain. So that.
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The difference? That really simplifies.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So what's your recommendation? You know, when it comes to cats,
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I feel like we've always used the the jar.
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Is it, you know, if someone's really concerned about their
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cat, would you have them start with MCT 3?
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I you know if a cat is healthy it doesn't have any lipid
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intolerance, they could start with a coconut oil.
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The key is to start slow. You're not going to give it a
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big glob. Honestly a few licks every day
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is fine and they can just build it up to maximum oral tolerance.
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But MC2, I mean regular coconut oil is fine.
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Now if they have a cat and they're afraid of pancreat and
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the cats older, the cat has pancreatitis, it's very
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sensitive to fat, then yeah, then they could start with the
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MCT oil. It really all depends on the cat
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obviously and on the human. They have to be comfortable with
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giving it. So if they are in fear of
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coconut oil, which is extremely, you know, healthy unless it was
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and safe, then they could definitely start with an MCT
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oil. But what's the?
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Point of dosing is if you were to give coconut oil, just say,
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let's say just for a healthy cat, right?
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Like we don't have somebody specifically asking a question
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about an unhealthy cat. So for to keep our cats healthy
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and to give them the benefits of coconut oil, how much would you
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recommend that we give per day and and then what's the
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difference in that recommendation for MCT?
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Right, well, we always say a teaspoon per 10 LB and then you
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can divide those for coconut oil.
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For coconut oil, 1 teaspoon, 10 lbs.
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Right. For MCT, it's half a teaspoon,
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so it's half a pounds. Yeah.
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Yeah. But then we always say start
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slow. And when you see your cats
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improving on it, stop at that level.
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You don't have to hit. Keep going.
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Your cat, I, I think we'll tell you, I mean, I have to take a
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lot of coconut oil and just lick it off the spoon.
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And I'm like, that's a lot of coconut oil.
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You're OK. Yeah.
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And he was completely. Fine, and there's another.
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Cat, who just a few licks was perfect for him.
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I really do same with our. Self selection, right?
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I feel like that's one of those things that cats are really good
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at are Mr. Biddles. May he rest in peace, sweet boy.
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He always dealt with Constipation and so we wanted to
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make it part of his regular routine, right?
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And we would, we would just put it on spoon and he would have a
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couple licks and then there were times that he would finish the
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spoon, you know, and I probably had more than a teaspoon on
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there. But I think it's one of those
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things it's kind of like a self selection.
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I see. I I love that you guys in For
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everyone listening, please know that there are some articles
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that you guys wrote that really cover so much of it.
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Yeah, just recently that really covers so much of this and so
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many of the concerns. I was really kind of floored by
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a lot of the concerns that that people have about it.
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Can we talk a little bit? You know, they say that it's
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pseudoscience. These benefits are.
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Rubbish. Why is coconut oil such a bad
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thing? Yeah.
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Why is it so controversial like? You.
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You know, every time I see a post about coconut oil, like I
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saw your post recently, I, I think two things 1 is like, oh,
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how nice. I'm so glad they're sharing
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about the benefits of coconut oil.
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The other side of me is like, Oh my gosh, you're gonna get it
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because brave are so controversial.
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Even we get that and we, we have the coconut oil website, you
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know what I mean? So I don't know why it's so
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controversial other than the fact that, well, if you want to
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go really history and Bruce Fife is the father of coconut oil in
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this country. Long ago in the 50s when coconut
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oil was not so readily available in the United States, there's a
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lot of lobbying groups and not to go into that thing, but they
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push corn oil, soybean oil and that type of oil so you can get
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in the United States. So they want to vilify coconut
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oil, corn oil? Is it canola oil, vegetable oil?
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Soybean oil? Those are, yes.
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No. Correct.
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So all the studies that came out would do everything they could
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to vilify coconut oil. And the easiest way to do it is
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it's a saturated fat, stay away from it.
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It's bad, it's going to clog your arteries.
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But when we do know now that it actually doesn't, in fact, if
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you take there's a lot of studies, there's new ones that
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came out in mice where they were given a high fat diet and
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coconut oil and they saw that their LDL levels, you know, went
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low and their HDL levels increased a lot higher, higher
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than the cats were given olive oil because they were comparing
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it. So increased a little bit with
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olive oil. It's a good oil.
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But with coconut oil increased by 15% the HDL, which is the
21:50
good cholesterol. Yeah.
21:51
And they also saw that coconut oil has kind of a cholesterol
21:55
cleaning way that can. Yeah.
21:58
Mechanism that they actually take the, the, the, the in your
22:03
arteries call that it cleans out, cleans out your arteries
22:07
like the arteriosclerosis, it cleans it out the cholesterol in
22:10
your arteries and it brings it to the liver and it disposes of
22:14
it. Yeah.
22:14
So it actually reduces cholesterol clogged cholesterol
22:18
clogged arteries. But people that say it's snake
22:21
oil and it actually doesn't exist, we actually have, they
22:24
can actually download a an e-book that we have on studies
22:28
on coconut oil. There's actually thousands of
22:30
peer reviewed studies on the health benefits of coconut oil.
22:35
Thousands. I'm not talking about anecdotal
22:37
evidence. So there are actual studies and
22:39
not by us or not by. Companies that these are done in
22:43
universities, you know, so yeah. So this has nutrition.
22:47
Yeah. We put this e-book together and
22:49
we can't. We did it by different health
22:51
categories, the heart, the kidney, just brain, brain
22:55
health. And we, we put all the studies
22:58
under each category and they actually have links to the
23:01
studies so they can read the studies themselves.
23:03
Yeah. You can download it on our
23:06
website for free. And each category has at least
23:10
20 studies. And it's category per category,
23:14
and it's growing and there's just so much out there.
23:16
Data. Yeah.
23:17
And each study has a little summary, but you can go click on
23:20
it and read it yourself. So you know that that for people
23:23
that says there's no studies, that's actually very false.
23:26
Or it's just loads of studies? I was really surprised by that
23:29
because I know that I, you know, I've read a number of studies
23:32
that we've looked into just for, you know, just for our own
23:36
concern about what, what's actually going on.
23:38
I thought it was interesting that people are just really
23:40
riled up about it when I felt like, you know, we started
23:44
looking into a couple years ago, many years ago.
23:47
And so I kind of feel like, oh, all that drama is kind of over.
23:50
But no, people are really, they're holding on to it like a
23:53
dog with a bone. And I thought it was interesting
23:55
as well that there are so many people that really demeaned it
24:00
and said I'm using valid oils, like fish oils that actually
24:04
have omega-3. Now these absolutely love
24:07
omega-3 oil, completely different as far as you know.
24:14
Can you explain to people if they're like, I would never use
24:17
coconut oil, I'm only using fish oil.
24:19
Can you explain a response to that?
24:22
Yeah. Yeah.
24:23
Yes, well there are two very different types of oil.
24:25
So fish oil is a polyunsaturated fat.
24:29
So be just the nature of it. It gets it tends to go rancid.
24:33
So you have to be very careful. You have to get a very good
24:37
source of fish oil and store it properly.
24:39
Don't get a big jug of it get just what you're going to use
24:42
because the minute you open a bottle of fish oil, it starts to
24:44
go rancid. It oxidizes immediately.
24:46
So oils that oxidize are pro inflammatory and they can cause
24:51
oxidative stress. So fish oil is great.
24:54
It is an essential fatty acid as in health food brain, you need
24:59
it your brain health, anti-inflammatory and all that.
25:02
Coconut oil has crossovers. The thing about coconut oil,
25:05
it's so stable, it's not prone to rancidity and it's a great
25:09
carrier oil. So I like to give Omega threes
25:13
and coconut oil together. Before I used to rotate.
25:16
I'm like, wait a minute, there are two.
25:17
There's actually a study now that shows that together they
25:20
are very. Beneficial so it actually helps
25:23
carry the fish oil to the brain because it's good for brain
25:28
inflammation. People use coconut oil or MCTS
25:32
to carry. CBD oil, fish oil it's such a
25:34
great carry oil and it's so anti-inflammatory well because
25:38
it helps with the absorption of nutrients that's you know one of
25:41
the main things it also helps with immune function.
25:44
It helps with the formation of cell membrane.
25:47
So it's important in that aspect as well.
25:50
So I it's different from fish oil because it does things that
25:55
like fish oil, for example, it is essential, but it's not
25:59
antibacterial, antifungal, anti, you know, microbial.
26:03
So it doesn't kill harmful bacteria in your body like
26:06
coconut oil does. That's one main difference.
26:08
The other difference is fish oil doesn't cross the blood brain
26:11
barrier. And there's so many studies that
26:14
prefer coconut oil to brain health and cognitive health and
26:17
seizures compared to fish oil. If fish oil won't help that.
26:22
So when it comes to seizures or brain activity, feline cognitive
26:25
decline or canine cognitive decline, then they would
26:28
recommend coconut oil or MCT oil as opposed to an omega-3.
26:31
So that's another benefit. It's also very anti-inflammatory
26:36
like Crazy says. So it helps a joint health.
26:38
Well, fish oil does too, but like, there's some crossovers.
26:43
Yeah. Let's talk about real quick,
26:44
just to bullet them out real quick because you know, you
26:47
mentioned it earlier, it's very anti-inflammatory.
26:49
It's antibacterial. Like we use it for topical
26:51
stuff. We always recommend if you've
26:53
got coconut oil at your house and you've got a cat with a Boo
26:55
Boo or a little rash, put that on just to help.
26:58
Like off the top of your head, what are like all the, yeah, all
27:02
the extra benefits that that cats can get specifically for
27:06
from coconut oil? Cat acne?
27:09
My cat Sebastian had cat acne and I was like EW what's that?
27:13
And it's just real bumpy. I applied coconut oil every day
27:16
and literally less than a week. It was clear.
27:19
So that's a big thing, yeah. And I cleaning their ears
27:22
because I had a cat with goopy ears.
27:25
I don't know why his ears was just constantly goopy.
27:27
But I would clean his ears with coconut oil, so it helped.
27:31
It was always red, his ears. So what if I cleaned it out with
27:34
hairball? It's really hairball hairballs
27:36
because it helps expel Constipation, like you said.
27:40
Just it's just it's really good. Sebastian has a very sensitive
27:43
tummy so I give him coconut oil and I feel like it helps absorb
27:47
the nutrients better for him. Yeah, I love that.
27:51
Now let's talk about yeah, let's talk about the let's talk about
27:55
the taste, right, Because everybody knows the big thing
27:58
when it comes to cats is taste. Cats are picky, right?
28:02
So our cats, all of our cats have have loved coconut oil.
28:07
As she said, some of them will lick a little bit and then go
28:09
away. Some of them will lick and lick
28:11
and lick and lick and want the whole spoon.
28:13
But it's like a great little treat for our cats, right?
28:17
But for cats that like they you give it to him on a spoon or or
28:22
whatnot and they're like, I don't want that.
28:24
How would you recommend going about getting it into your cats
28:27
to get the benefit of it? We would recommend putting a
28:31
little bit on their gums or putting it on their paws so they
28:34
can lick their paws. And cats are just creatures of
28:37
habit. I think it's just the the smell
28:39
or the texture or the tape. They're not used to it,
28:41
especially the smell. So if they get used to the smell
28:45
a little bit on their paws, a little bit on their, you know,
28:48
gums, maybe just a little tweak. I mean, don't hold them down and
28:51
traumatize them, but you know, and then they get used to just
28:54
get used to it. But like you said, I don't think
28:56
I've ever had a cat that didn't like coconut oil, but I know
28:59
they do exist. Yeah, in our in our on Monday
29:02
about coconut oil, there was there were people saying I tried
29:06
it with my cat, my cat won't have it.
29:07
My cat won't have it. I'm like, really?
29:09
But I mean, every cat is different, right?
29:11
I mean notorious for being picky.
29:14
There are you know that we have we have certain supplements that
29:17
99% of people like or maybe I say 95% of people of feedback is
29:23
I think that loves this food so much more when this is in it.
29:25
But then the other 5% is like, I can't get my cat to touch its
29:29
food when and it's in it, you know, because cats, they're,
29:32
they're individuals and they'll have don't.
29:33
Put it in the. Food, because then it won't
29:35
touch it because I had a cat long ago.
29:37
So I would not mix it. The only way I would do it was
29:39
hold it in my finger and she would sniff at it and I'd go
29:43
boop and then it was on her nose.
29:45
And then she's like, oh, she'll start licking her nose or her
29:48
paws. Yeah.
29:48
And then after a while it was fine.
29:50
And that's the way I would give it and necessarily would not mix
29:52
it in her. Food.
29:53
I was just. Hold it out and she would sniff
29:55
at it and I'll just tap her nose with it.
29:57
Then she got used to it. Yeah, I like that.
29:59
I like that. That trick also is, is brilliant
30:02
because it's like if you have a cat that is in need, you know,
30:05
and it's it's like, ooh, this is really hard to get in.
30:11
Yeah, I definitely Mr. Biddles hated it in his food.
30:13
He wouldn't touch his food if you, but he'd get off the spoon,
30:17
right. These guys are pretty, they'll
30:20
just lick it off the spoon. But we don't even try putting it
30:22
in their food in case they're oh, that's way too fragrant for
30:25
me. But, you know, just putting a
30:27
little bit on your finger on their paws and let lick and get
30:30
used to it. And I think it is one of those
30:33
things that cats, especially if they know their body needs it,
30:35
will naturally start to self select, you know?
30:39
For it, yeah, yeah, Liz is asking about what brands so
30:42
Cocoa Therapy is the brand that we use and highly recommend.
30:46
Link is in the description here. If you guys want to check out
30:48
their website, check out their They have all kinds of different
30:51
products for kitties and dogs. If you guys are, you know,
30:55
bipetual. I see Marilyn is here.
30:57
She is bipetual and she wrote fish oil and cocoa therapy.
31:01
Yeah, yeah. And then Liz is also asking how
31:03
do I know if omega-3 went bad? So if so, when it comes to fish
31:06
oil, our go to is you got it, store it in the fridge, right.
31:11
You got to keep it as tight as possible.
31:13
So when you use it, if you open it up and it's exposed to
31:16
oxygen, then it starts to just as they said, starts to go
31:18
rancid, starts to oxidize. And you want to use whatever
31:22
amount that you have that you have opened within 30 days at.
31:26
But yeah, yeah. Right.
31:28
Do you guys have any hard and fast rules about avoiding that?
31:32
Yeah, when it, when it when Actually, when it comes to
31:34
coconut oil, what is the best way to store it for?
31:38
We just store it in our kitchen on the kitchen counter.
31:41
It does not need to be refrigerated it it's so stable.
31:45
In fact, in tropical countries like the Philippines, Sri Lanka,
31:48
India, all where coconut oil is a staple, it's completely
31:51
liquid. It's not solid like it is here
31:53
in the US and it's just sits on the kitchen counter and it's not
31:56
prone to rancidity. We actually have lot numbers in
32:00
our coconut oil. Not all coconut oil
32:01
manufacturers do that, but you can see a lot number.
32:04
We trace it and we have kept lots for five years and we test
32:08
it for rancidity and it does not go rancid.
32:11
That is how. Stable saturated fats are
32:13
saturated fats are very stable. They don't have that missing
32:16
hydrogen atom, so they don't break down and get an oxidized
32:19
but. Again, this goes back to the
32:21
types of coconut oil because coconut oil has different
32:24
moisture content. So something that's that you
32:27
really want is a lower moisture content.
32:29
If you have coconut oil that with a higher moisture content,
32:32
it will. Oxidize faster than the water
32:35
because of the the moisture. It's the way it's squeezed.
32:38
It's just the way they press the oil.
32:40
So everything is. It just depends on how it's
32:42
made, how it's made. That's critical, how it's made,
32:45
yeah. And there's no There's no
32:46
problem putting it in the fridge though, right?
32:49
If you say 113° like it is here today and out on the cashier
32:55
liquid, but our cats actually like it.
32:58
They like it a little. They they like it.
33:00
They don't, they don't really like to lick it as the cream or
33:03
they don't get as excited about it as if they do when it's a
33:06
little bit harder and they like can lick it like a like a.
33:09
Ice cream. Then they really like to.
33:12
Yeah, you can't. You can't.
33:14
It doesn't hurt it at all. And it gets rock hard, I'll say
33:17
that. It gets very hard.
33:18
You kind of have to scrape the top off, but some people people
33:21
prefer it that way than like a little bit softer, Yeah.
33:26
And. You.
33:28
Know and Adrian, you were saying for the fragrance if cats don't
33:32
like the fragrance because I had a friend whose cat didn't like
33:35
it but they didn't mind the MCT oil because it has a lighter
33:39
fragrance than the coconut oil. I mean texture is one thing if
33:43
they like the harder oil, but if the fragrance is too strong or
33:46
bothering them so the MCT oil is a lighter fragrance and taste.
33:51
I think of of coconut, yes. You know, because I think we
33:56
tried that with twist. I remember him being like, it
33:59
was just like too fragrant for him.
34:01
And we had the MCT oil and we did sardine treats, you know,
34:04
good source, Omega threes and natural source.
34:07
And so that's something that's super smelly and you just put a
34:12
tiny bit in and they're able to get they're able to a good a
34:16
good dose in. So little trickery here and
34:19
there, but. The trick?
34:21
Is it? Is it?
34:22
Is it safe for kittens? Is it safe for cats of all ages?
34:25
Absolutely it is, and puppies too.
34:28
I mean think about it, milk has the highest medium chain fats,
34:31
that's why it's good for it, especially lauric acid.
34:34
Lauric acid. So goat's milk is extremely high
34:37
in humans milk so it's safe for kids.
34:39
They've been getting it since they were born so.
34:42
Medium chain fats. Since they were in their
34:43
mother's milk. And again, aside from that, if
34:47
if you know people to think, well, they were drinking
34:49
mother's milk when they were babies.
34:50
Now they don't need milk anymore because there's that train of
34:53
thought that they don't need milk because they're all full
34:56
grown. But so it could be harmful.
34:59
But my only thing is to people that feel like you have to be
35:03
careful with it or not give it to kittens or cats is our life
35:06
experience for generations living and growing up with
35:09
coconut oil with ourselves and our animals that's had it since
35:12
they're. Kittens or puppies all the way
35:15
to adults with veterinarians. I think that's what gives us a
35:18
great comfort level, knowing it's not harmful for animals,
35:22
for ourselves. Yeah.
35:23
And also, if we think about the countries that use coconut oil
35:26
as their primary oils, they don't have corn oil or soybean
35:29
oil like India, Sri Lanka, the Philippines.
35:32
The obesity levels in these countries is very, very low.
35:36
You will not see like well, yeah, yeah, but but by then
35:40
they. They're going to.
35:42
McDonald's. Yeah, exactly.
35:44
They go, yeah, they go to a Western diet, but the obesity
35:46
levels are very low in those countries, and coconut oils are
35:50
primary source of fat. Alzheimer's and dementia is very
35:55
low in those countries as well in the Philippines.
35:58
So yeah, it's like my grandmother and all the old
36:01
people that I remember in the Philippines, they were sharp as
36:03
a tack. You know what I mean?
36:04
You. Couldn't you couldn't sneak
36:06
sneak anything past them? They were so sharp till they're
36:10
till past their 90s. Yeah.
36:12
I love that. Folks on this.
36:14
Yeah, right. I need to get my folks on it.
36:16
So you guys, you guys mentioned that you've been using this all
36:20
the way up into veterinary care. So you guys work with so many
36:24
veterinarians. And like I said earlier, that's
36:26
how we were first introduced to your brand was through the the
36:31
most followed veterinarian in the world, who of course we
36:34
follow too. And something that she had
36:37
mentioned about it, how, how often like, like what do you
36:40
guys see as far as conventional medicine versus holistic
36:43
medicine? Or is there any, or is it just
36:46
kind of across the board for a lot of veterinarians that
36:49
they're like, yeah, coconut oil's good?
36:52
Well, I like to think that in today's day and age with so much
36:56
research out there that more conventional veterinarians are
36:59
getting on board with coconut oil.
37:01
Unfortunately, it's not always true because we just went like
37:05
we went to in our in Illinois, the emergency vet clinic, there
37:10
was a poster up on their bulletin board.
37:13
It said foods not to give to animals, they're poisonous, that
37:17
are poisonous to animals. So they lost onions and garlic
37:20
and blah, blah, blah, raisins, garlic, coconut.
37:24
We saw coconut oil on it. This is at a veterinarian
37:28
emergency clinic. With that poster and crazy, I
37:31
looked at it and we just chuckled because I mean.
37:34
But here's The funny thing though, with conventional
37:36
medicine, they know MCTS are healthy, but there's a discount
37:40
connect in their brain. They don't understand that MCTS
37:43
come from coconut oil. So I've actually had a vet say
37:47
we're going to give your little your key, this beautiful MCT
37:51
oil. And I looked at it, it was
37:52
literally fish oil. It was a fancy.
37:54
She was prescribed fish oil and she called it an MCT oil.
37:58
So at that point, I mean, she was a vet.
38:00
And I didn't say I was smart. I just kept my mouth shut.
38:03
I said OK, you know, whatever. I did not want to lecture her on
38:07
MCT oil and fish oil and the difference.
38:09
But. In their head.
38:11
She was a nephrologist, by the way, a kidney specialist.
38:14
So she's very. Yeah.
38:15
So she is recommending this oil, which is.
38:18
But she called it MCT. So I know there's a disconnect
38:20
because everybody knows MCT's are very healthy.
38:23
What she call it fish oil. But yeah, fish oil, MCT oil
38:25
slash slash. But but if you look at a lot of
38:30
formulations for preemies and kidneys and gastroenterologist L
38:36
GLUT, I mean, there will always be some MCT oil in there
38:38
somewhere. And so MCT oil is accepted in
38:41
conventional medicine, but they don't understand that it comes
38:44
from coconut oil. Yeah.
38:46
Yeah. Crazy.
38:48
We, we need to find that. I will drop the link to the page
38:51
where people can download that e-book that you guys put
38:54
together. You know, I find it.
38:55
I know in this day and age, people are cynical, they're
38:58
skeptical of everything. I really appreciate y'all's
39:01
transparency. Even though you guys live in a
39:04
world where this is a very controversial thing and you
39:07
continue to share the information that is really life
39:10
changing. It's a game changer for so many
39:12
people and their pets. So I will add that link into the
39:15
description of this video because I love, you know, for
39:19
someone that wants to read a poster somewhere and think that
39:22
coconuts are poison, you have an opportunity to do your own
39:26
research. And I think that's one of the
39:27
big things for all of us, especially in the cat community.
39:30
I think we recognize that we are cats only advocate, right?
39:35
And we do our best to learn what we can.
39:39
And so thank you for consolidating that information.
39:42
I've got Laura Lee here who has that Kitty with a heart
39:45
condition. Is it OK for Kitty with heart
39:46
conditions? Yes, absolutely.
39:49
In fact, the coconut oil is protect, protects the heart and
39:53
the arteries, as we mentioned earlier, it actually helps clean
39:56
up the cholesterol from the arteries and pull it out.
39:59
So, and there's a lot of studies too.
40:00
And that e-book, there's a section on just on heart, heart
40:03
health. Yeah.
40:05
Nice nice all right sissy's actually already dropping the
40:08
link here in the comments. So if you guys want to go and
40:11
check out all of that information, the link is here.
40:14
Thank you so much Sissy for for dropping those and thank you
40:19
ladies so much for your brilliance for for your hard
40:22
work. You guys are what 15 years doing
40:25
this as as Coco therapy now I. Think 20 closer to 20, yeah.
40:29
Years and this is Coco therapy. Like, wow.
40:32
Like, yeah, you guys are. Grand though, but for coconut
40:37
oil and generations. 3 generations of yeah making
40:42
coconut. Oil and thank you for bringing
40:44
it here and thank you for bringing it to the pets and
40:46
thank you for bringing the awareness of.
40:48
Thank you for your stamina to continue offering information
40:52
and offering kindness. And I, I think it is a really,
40:57
it's one of those things, I know that there's natural stuff,
41:00
there's so many natural things. This is something that is ages
41:03
old and it's been used for so long and there's so much science
41:06
out there about it. And it can be a real opportunity
41:09
for someone who's dealing with any one of these issues.
41:13
And I really encourage everyone go to the description, read
41:15
those articles that they, that they shared.
41:18
There are references at the bottom for the studies that are
41:21
referenced. So it's it's really an
41:23
empowering you guys did a great job of specifically for us cat
41:29
people. Thank you cat people giving some
41:33
really empowering information. Anything to before we wrap up we
41:35
could talk to? You guys, I want to say one more
41:37
thing because I, because we get the benefits for for so many
41:40
specific things, but I, you know, every single cat has, you
41:45
know, would benefit from coconut oil on a daily basis because of
41:51
the, the very common things, right, The skin and coat, right?
41:55
You want your cats, you want your cat's skin and coat to be
41:58
better. You want to avoid those, those
42:00
hairballs, especially if you're in the process of like you're,
42:03
you just not been able to get your cat onto whether it's
42:06
money, whether it's pickiness, whatever, you haven't been able
42:08
to get them onto a good diet. This is key.
42:11
This is going to be a great added benefit to get your cat
42:16
to, you know, resolve all those other internal issues that that
42:20
are going on, especially with digestion, inflammation and
42:23
inflammation because of the diet.
42:26
This is a great way to to add in another, another benefit, yeah,
42:30
and a little bit step to help them on a regular basis.
42:32
So. Yeah, I love it.
42:34
I love it. Thank you, Thank you for having
42:36
us, especially you ladies that are the cab experts.
42:41
Read the articles people, you'll see anything top of mind that we
42:46
that that we missed or that we didn't hit on enough.
42:50
No, I think we did. I just think it's, it's people
42:53
need to remember coconut oil is essential, facilitative and
42:57
functional fat. It's a macro nutrient.
42:59
It's not a drug, it's not a supplement.
43:01
It's food. So that's how we give it, and
43:03
that's how we've used it for generations for ourselves and
43:05
our animals. Yeah, excellent.
43:07
That that is an excellent way. To now I have to go write A blog
43:10
myself. Yes.
43:13
Thank you so much. For joining us.
43:15
Thank you all of you guys who are listening today and go get
43:20
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