Latest / THE DAILY BRIEF / Ukraine hammering 'Russian Amazon' retailer Wildberries
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Ukraine has struck yet another logistics hub belonging to the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Russian retailer Wildberys in the city of Volgograd. Drones have
- 0:08Speaker 1: hit more than a dozen sites in the past few
- 0:10Speaker 1: weeks in a bid to disrupt the company's operations. Some
- 0:14Speaker 1: call warberry Is the Russian Amazon. It is a lynchpin
- 0:17Speaker 1: of the country's consumer economy. Kiev claims the Warberi's facilities
- 0:21Speaker 1: are legitimate military targets because they supplied Russia's frontline troops
- 0:26Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Moscow, however, denies that Ukrainian drones hit one
- 0:31Speaker 1: facility south of Moscow on Wednesday, forcing staff evacuations and
- 0:35Speaker 1: halt in deliveries. The company says about ten percent of
- 0:39Speaker 1: its storage capacity has now been destroyed, with tens of
- 0:42Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in losses. Joining me now, Alexikobolev, an
- 0:47Speaker 1: investigative reporter and independent journalists, good to see you, sir.
- 0:51Speaker 1: Ukraine has now carried out repeated drone strikes against Warburi's
- 0:55Speaker 1: warehouses across Russia. What's the thinking behind focusing on this
- 0:59Speaker 1: one company so consistently?
- 1:04Speaker 2: Hi there, good morning, and yes it's a very smartly
- 1:07Speaker 2: chosen target. Because obviously the Moscow will deny that it
- 1:12Speaker 2: that it's legitimate as one. But if you look at
- 1:16Speaker 2: very if you take a very cursely look at the
- 1:18Speaker 2: company's catalog, it's pretty obvious that it sells a lot
- 1:22Speaker 2: of military not just military coded like you know, coffee months,
- 1:26Speaker 2: military themed and other merchandise, but actual combat tested armor
- 1:31Speaker 2: plateses drohne components that including those that don't have any
- 1:37Speaker 2: plausible civilian use at all, like specialized drop rigs for
- 1:43Speaker 2: drones for dropping position specific kinds of Russian grenades. And
- 1:46Speaker 2: it's pretty much out there in the open. So you
- 1:49Speaker 2: can flip through thousands and thousands of items like that
- 1:52Speaker 2: that has been specifically promoted as supplies for our troops
- 1:57Speaker 2: in the field, and you have in the reviews, you
- 2:02Speaker 2: can clearly see that the purpose people are buying this,
- 2:06Speaker 2: all this merchandise for like armor vests and helmets and
- 2:10Speaker 2: goggles and FPV drawn components, that people are buying it
- 2:14Speaker 2: with one purpose in mind only, and they're quite explicit
- 2:17Speaker 2: that this is the this is the product that is
- 2:21Speaker 2: sorely needed at the firm line in what Russia calls
- 2:24Speaker 2: its special military operation. So the purpose of thousands and
- 2:28Speaker 2: maybe tons of thousands of these items on salted wild
- 2:31Speaker 2: berries is pretty clear, and it's not one of purchases.
- 2:35Speaker 2: It's obvious that this has been going for a while
- 2:38Speaker 2: and there are specialized vendors selling only military equipment, despite
- 2:43Speaker 2: the fact that all of this goes against the company's
- 2:45Speaker 2: own terms of services. They adopted one about a couple
- 2:49Speaker 2: of weeks before they deferred the first attacks, and they
- 2:52Speaker 2: simultaneously prohibited the vendors on the platform from selling any
- 3:00Speaker 2: merchandise of military purpose and also prohibiting sales of that.
- 3:06Speaker 2: So the company is still selling all of those items
- 3:09Speaker 2: as we speak, despite the fact that they violate they
- 3:12Speaker 2: are in terms of services.
- 3:14Speaker 1: Yes, these rikes aren't just affecting the military. They are
- 3:18Speaker 1: disrupting many people's lives and small businesses to all across Russia.
- 3:22Speaker 1: What sort of impact would that have internally within the country,
- 3:25Speaker 1: do you think?
- 3:28Speaker 2: Well, the biggest impact is of course of the consumer economy,
- 3:31Speaker 2: because tens of millions of Russians depend on wild berries.
- 3:35Speaker 2: It's much more than Amazon. I think that it's replaced
- 3:40Speaker 2: a big chunk of retail trade in Russia in general.
- 3:45Speaker 2: And also it's just so pervasive. There is a pickup
- 3:49Speaker 2: point in almost every residential be able to across the
- 3:53Speaker 2: entire Russian that's eleven times old. So it's indeed one
- 3:57Speaker 2: of the most effective logistical companies in Russia. And it's
- 4:00Speaker 2: selling millions of items every day and delivering it everywhere
- 4:03Speaker 2: from the westernmost Russia all the way to the Pacific Ocean.
- 4:06Speaker 2: And you have to be a very efficient logistics company
- 4:09Speaker 2: in order to be able to do that. And there
- 4:13Speaker 2: is also another aspect to this is that Wilberries in
- 4:17Speaker 2: fact has Russian military has outsourced parts of its procurements
- 4:23Speaker 2: onto private contractors such as Wilberries. Of course it's not official,
- 4:27Speaker 2: but it's an ad hoc decision by many units. There
- 4:31Speaker 2: are many Russian military units that are occupying in the
- 4:33Speaker 2: Grain who have been experiencing shortages in all kinds of equipments,
- 4:38Speaker 2: from ammunition to even to body bags that they have
- 4:43Speaker 2: to they have to ask their civilian supporters to buy
- 4:45Speaker 2: on Wilberries and delivered to these frontline units because the
- 4:49Speaker 2: Russian defense ministry itself kind of is chron chronically unable
- 4:54Speaker 2: to plug all the gaps in logistics and supplies, and
- 4:59Speaker 2: that's where be kind of grossroot supporters of war there
- 5:05Speaker 2: are a lot of them in Russia, and they pulled
- 5:08Speaker 2: together the money and they post out crowdfunding drives for
- 5:12Speaker 2: specific units in the Russian military, listing specific items on
- 5:16Speaker 2: wild berries. There is a lot of genuinely double dual
- 5:20Speaker 2: use stuff, like a lot of medical supplies, for example,
- 5:24Speaker 2: but some are very explicitly crowdfunding for very obvious military
- 5:28Speaker 2: equipment like a body armor and helmets and FPV drones
- 5:34Speaker 2: that are quite clear that have got used in combat context,
- 5:37Speaker 2: not for for for not for racing, because you don't
- 5:42Speaker 2: really need a spool You don't need it, really need
- 5:44Speaker 2: a spool of optic fire of the optic fire cable
- 5:48Speaker 2: twenty miles long to be engaged in hobby hobby drone racing.
- 5:52Speaker 1: President Job is having second thoughts about allowing Ukraine to
- 5:55Speaker 1: produce a key air defense weapon. He told The Financial
- 5:59Speaker 1: Times on THIRSDS he's not sure he'll give Kiev a
- 6:02Speaker 1: license to make Patriot missile interceptors. He promised he would
- 6:07Speaker 1: do that a NATO summit earlier this month. Ukraine is
- 6:10Speaker 1: facing a shortage of Patriots, the only weapon that can
- 6:13Speaker 1: stop Russia's most advanced ballistic missiles. Mister Trump spoke hours
- 6:18Speaker 1: after a massive attack on Ukraine which killed at least
- 6:21Speaker 1: nine people and wounded more than fifty others. Poland says
- 6:25Speaker 1: what appears to be a Russian missile crashed and exploded
- 6:29Speaker 1: deep inside its territory during those strikes. Poland is a
- 6:33Speaker 1: NATO member, but a military official told CNN there are
- 6:36Speaker 1: no plans to discuss a joint response by the alliance.
- 6:39Speaker 1: European leaders have condemned the attack, but Ukraine's prejudic says
- 6:43Speaker 1: condemnations can only go so far.
- 6:46Speaker 3: European countries have made numerous statements, particularly regarding the Russian
- 6:50Speaker 3: missile that flew into Polish territory and exploded somewhere in
- 6:53Speaker 3: a field near Lublin. Most importantly, however, it's not just
- 6:57Speaker 3: about condolences or condemnation. It's about providing air defense.
- 7:01Speaker 4: Missiles precisely the kind of pressure around Russia that can
- 7:04Speaker 4: stab this senseless Russian war, all their attacks and their terror.
- 7:08Speaker 4: This war could have ended long ago, but Putin doesn't
- 7:11Speaker 4: want that.
- 7:13Speaker 1: But one of the questions is did that missile end
- 7:15Speaker 1: up in Poland by mistake or was Moscow trying to
- 7:18Speaker 1: test NATO. CNN's Nick Payton watsh has more on that
- 7:22Speaker 1: for US.
- 7:24Speaker 5: It's a complex task for Poland to respond in a
- 7:28Speaker 5: way to something the intentions of Russia around which are
- 7:32Speaker 5: obviously unclear. Now, there are a lot of coincidences here
- 7:35Speaker 5: that need to be examined. This is a cruise missile
- 7:38Speaker 5: that flew ninety kilometers into Poland's meaning for several minutes
- 7:43Speaker 5: it was being presumably seen on Russian radars, Polish radars
- 7:46Speaker 5: F sixteen, scrambled by Poland and other aircraft that didn't
- 7:49Speaker 5: actually intercept it. It seems to have crashed landed, leaving a
- 7:52Speaker 5: ten meter wide grater. That is a remarkably deep incursion. Secondly,
- 7:57Speaker 5: it's an incursion that happened about thirty one mons to
- 8:00Speaker 5: the north of where Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and
- 8:05Speaker 5: Ukrainian President Vodamzelenski had met just a matter of hours earlier.
- 8:09Speaker 5: That's something of a coincidence, and also comes to after
- 8:12Speaker 5: weeks of warnings in which Western officials have been concerned
- 8:17Speaker 5: about Russian escalation. We really can't divine Russia's intention here.
- 8:22Speaker 5: Was this a deliberate test of NATO's resolve and defenses
- 8:25Speaker 5: with something relatively new here We've not seen a CRU's
- 8:30Speaker 5: missile landing in NATO territory really for years here unprecedented
- 8:35Speaker 5: or is it simply one of seventy missiles fired by
- 8:38Speaker 5: Russia that night going astray or being caught in some
- 8:40Speaker 5: kind of jamming potentially going off course. But this ultimately
- 8:44Speaker 5: had many Russian and lissay is part of the strategy
- 8:48Speaker 5: sometimes to see what Russia can indeed get away with.
- 8:51Speaker 5: And indeed, if this was an accident, use it to
- 8:53Speaker 5: observe the nature of NATO's response. And while Polish Prime
- 8:57Speaker 5: Minister of Donald Tusk has said he does not believe
- 8:59Speaker 5: polar was the target here, it's clear that the Russians
- 9:03Speaker 5: would have been observing the nature of NATO's responsive jets
- 9:07Speaker 5: scrambled but no interception. And Poland has it publicly been
- 9:12Speaker 5: under pressure because of its decision to supply some patriot
- 9:14Speaker 5: missile interceptors to Ukraine who urgently need them to its east,
- 9:18Speaker 5: leaving perhaps its own stocks low, joining a global shortage
- 9:22Speaker 5: of these exceptionally vital interceptor missiles. And so this is
- 9:26Speaker 5: clearly a moment in which NATO have to simultaneously show
- 9:29Speaker 5: resolve and resilience to prevent this from being something Russia
- 9:33Speaker 5: tries again if indeed it was intentional by a Russia,
- 9:36Speaker 5: while at the same time not sounding the alarm for
- 9:38Speaker 5: domestic clamor for some kind of more muscular response, that
- 9:42Speaker 5: itself a complex task that yet again also emphasizes the
- 9:46Speaker 5: nightly threat. Ukraine indeed is under seventy missiles fired, the
- 9:50Speaker 5: number of ballistic and cruise missiles fired by Russia now
- 9:53Speaker 5: exceptionally high compared to a matter of months ago, and
- 9:57Speaker 5: of the two hundred and eighty drones fired Ukraine, the
- 10:00Speaker 5: intercepted two hundred and sixty, still a death toll of
- 10:03Speaker 5: at least nine, six of whom from one family, the Vodnovs,
- 10:07Speaker 5: living not far from kriv Rick and the Dnipro region.
- 10:11Speaker 5: Their house hit four children amongst the dead. They're part
- 10:15Speaker 5: of a civilian toll that is growing. I think it's
- 10:18Speaker 5: fair to say the month of July the deadliest since
- 10:22Speaker 5: April twenty twenty two, four hundred and twenty seven Ukrainian
- 10:25Speaker 5: civilians killed. Russia clearly escalating the toll it wants to
- 10:29Speaker 5: take on Ukrainian civilians. Here the number of missiles, ballistic
- 10:33Speaker 5: and cruise that it's using against Ukraine, perhaps sensing a
- 10:36Speaker 5: gap in their interceptor capability. They're well known public here
- 10:40Speaker 5: Zelenski in Washington desperately hoping to get more interceptors, they
- 10:44Speaker 5: want to make them themselves. That hasn't actually happened yet,
- 10:47Speaker 5: and so I think a crisis of winter potentially increasingly
- 10:50Speaker 5: in the mind of Ukrainian leaders here as they see
- 10:53Speaker 5: these months of summer involving so many more Russian missiles
- 10:56Speaker 5: and that threat towards Eastern Europe increasing