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Mica Miller's Pastor Husband Facing New Allegations of Sexual Assault · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Does it never end with this guy? I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: Micah Miller's pastor husband, John Paul. As you will recall,
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  Speaker 2: Micah Miller allegedly committed suicide after alleged mental, verbal, and
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  Speaker 2: emotional abuse on her from pastor husband John Paul Miller.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, we learn he is accused of
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  Speaker 2: raping a fifteen year old girl.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: The pastor husband of Micah Miller allegedly raped a fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year old girl and continued a pattern of predatory conduct
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  Speaker 2: for years. According to a new civil lawsuit. Miller, forty four,
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  Speaker 2: accused in a bombshell lawsuit in the attack the girl
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  Speaker 2: known only as Jane Doe. The attack allegedly occurred in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight while at his father's church. It's a
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  Speaker 2: forty three page complaint and it's filed in Horary County
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  Speaker 2: Circuit Court. The unidentified woman accusing Miller of raping her
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  Speaker 2: and inappropriately touching her. This dredging up the gunshot death
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  Speaker 2: of his beautiful young wife Micah. Questions still swirling about.
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  Speaker 3: That God hates divorce, but why according to everybody I've
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  Speaker 3: asked and the scriptures that I've found, it's because it
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  Speaker 3: hurts people. But does abuse hurt people? How do you
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  Speaker 3: think God feels about that?
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  Speaker 4: Almost in counting numb one one?
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  Speaker 1: What's the address of your emergency?
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  Speaker 4: I have my location on I think on my phone.
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  Speaker 4: I just want my family to know where to find me.
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  Speaker 5: What you're cracking? JP, your beppy ass coming?
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  Speaker 2: We told you, yeah, what is a pastor doing getting
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  Speaker 2: into a brawl in the parking lot?
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  Speaker 1: According to reports, you just saw footage from.
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  Speaker 2: Our friend and guess Melissa Pfeiffer joining us, and you
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  Speaker 2: saw footage from at the Robbie.
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  Speaker 1: Harvey at the Robbie Harvey.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel. To make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we are learning.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, this pastor.
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  Speaker 2: Comes to the forefront of our national conscious after his
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  Speaker 2: wife commit suicide. Now many people do not believe that
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  Speaker 2: she did commit suicide. And there he is, in all
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  Speaker 2: of his splendor and glory. John Paul Miller, I still
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  Speaker 2: have the burning question, what is a pastor doing in
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  Speaker 2: a brawl in the parking lot?
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  Speaker 1: With me an All Star panel?
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  Speaker 2: First own a go to a special guest joining us
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  Speaker 2: Melissa Ffeiffer, who filmed Miller's alleged assault.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa, thank you for being with us. What happened.
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  Speaker 6: We were there and we were on the side of
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  Speaker 6: the sidewalk the a lignes the church, and we were
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  Speaker 6: just protesting at the time. We had there was a
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  Speaker 6: neighbor that was out there that was talking to us,
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  Speaker 6: and we were distracted and our backs were turned towards
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  Speaker 6: the college and one of the young girls that was
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  Speaker 6: with us turned around and said, that's Jap And when
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  Speaker 6: we turned around, we saw him over there and it
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  Speaker 6: looks to be like he was recording us. And at
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  Speaker 6: that point, when I turned my camera to him, he
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  Speaker 6: took off in the other direction, and so one of
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  Speaker 6: the fellow protesters, you know, she ran across the street
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  Speaker 6: because that's where our cars are parked. And we didn't
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  Speaker 6: know what he was doing. We had no idea why
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  Speaker 6: he was creeping up behind us or anything. So when
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  Speaker 6: we went over there, as you see in the video,
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  Speaker 6: like he was running away, he stopped, turn around or
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  Speaker 6: charged at her, and you can hear her in the
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  Speaker 6: video saying, you're in my personal face. And that's when
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  Speaker 6: he said, what are you going to do? And he
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  Speaker 6: hit the brim of her hat twice with his phone
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  Speaker 6: while he was saying, what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 6: And that's can you see her? You know, go in
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  Speaker 6: on him?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, let me understand something.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get you to tell your story
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  Speaker 2: again because I'm oh wait, there he is getting it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait is that him? Did I see him? Jackie?
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  Speaker 2: Was that him touching her hat? I want to hear
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing again, Melissa, because you were talking so quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid I miss something, but very quickly. I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to high profile. No, no, no, no, you
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  Speaker 2: were perfect. I just don't want to miss anything. Regina
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  Speaker 2: Ward is joining US high profile lawyer and she's representing
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  Speaker 2: Micah Miller's family law firm of Regina B.
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  Speaker 1: Ward. Regina, I remember one l first.
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  Speaker 2: Year of law school, we were talking about torts and
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  Speaker 2: one of the cases we studied, it's a similar case
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  Speaker 2: in US law. This had to do with a racist.
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  Speaker 2: There was a black male I believe, with his wife
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  Speaker 2: at some luncheon like you know, kawanas or rotary or
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  Speaker 2: something like that, and there was a buffet, as there
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  Speaker 2: is because you know they meet at lunchtime and the
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  Speaker 2: victim had picked up a plate to go through the buffet,
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  Speaker 2: and another guy that did not want the victim there
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  Speaker 2: went up and grabbed the plate out of his hand,
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  Speaker 2: and that was deemed a battery. Because if you touch
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  Speaker 2: something that is touching another person, like the plate or
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  Speaker 2: like this woman's hat, that is considered a battery.
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  Speaker 7: Regina, yes, it is, and him charging her is an assault.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people think that an assault and battery
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  Speaker 7: kind of go together, where you can have an assault
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  Speaker 7: without a battery. Always say that, you know, the definition
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  Speaker 7: of assault is like when he charged. Putting a fear
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  Speaker 7: into somebody and then raising your hand and is an assault.
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  Speaker 7: That unwanted touch, even if it doesn't cause a bruise,
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  Speaker 7: a scratch or anything, is an unwanted touch, and that's illegal.
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  Speaker 2: It's what we call a simple battery. Now, if it escalates,
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  Speaker 2: or if a weapon is used.
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  Speaker 1: You point a gun at.
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  Speaker 2: Someone, you don't shoot, but you point the gun at them,
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  Speaker 2: that is an aggravated assault. As Regina just stated, correctly,
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  Speaker 2: putting someone in fear of immediately immediate bodily harm is
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  Speaker 2: an assault. If it's with a weapon, even your fists,
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  Speaker 2: it's an aggravated assault. You can get twenty years to
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  Speaker 2: life on that. In this case, it would be a
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  Speaker 2: simple assault putting the woman in fear, or a simple battery,
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  Speaker 2: you know, grabbing perhaps. Okay, back to Melissa Sfeiffer, who
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  Speaker 2: filmed the incident, if I could get the control room
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  Speaker 2: to please run it again.
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  Speaker 1: As Melissa's talking.
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  Speaker 2: Lissa, there's been a lot of confusion about what happened.
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  Speaker 2: You're an eyewitness, tell me from the beginning.
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  Speaker 6: So we were there and we were on the side
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  Speaker 6: of the sidewalk that got aligned with the church. We
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  Speaker 6: were protesting, and one of the neighbors had walked up
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  Speaker 6: to us and was talking to us, so our backs
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  Speaker 6: were turned towards the college. We couldn't see behind us, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: and then one of the girls that was with us
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  Speaker 6: had turned around and said, that's JP. And so when
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  Speaker 6: we all turned around, we saw him and he was
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  Speaker 6: like on the sidewalk part across the street at the school,
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  Speaker 6: and it looked to me like he was possibly recording us.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what he was trying to do,
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  Speaker 6: nor do I know how long he been back there for.
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  Speaker 6: When we turned around, when in our cameras at him, he.
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  Speaker 8: Went to run off towards where his truck was, and
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  Speaker 8: that's when the other protester who he assaulted was across uh.
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  Speaker 8: She went to run across the street to see what
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  Speaker 8: was going on because we didn't know why he was
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  Speaker 8: over there, and that's where we park.
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  Speaker 6: And you'll see in the videos she she's running at him,
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  Speaker 6: but she stops at the cars. She stops well within
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  Speaker 6: a healthy distance away from him, and then he stops
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  Speaker 6: in the track, turns around and charges at her, and
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  Speaker 6: you see her put her hands behind her back and
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  Speaker 6: she stands there and you hear her on the video
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  Speaker 6: say you're in my personal face. And he was in
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  Speaker 6: her face saying what are you going to do? What
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  Speaker 6: are you going to do? And then he hit the
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  Speaker 6: brim of.
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  Speaker 8: Her hat with his phone two times.
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  Speaker 6: And then he went to walk off, and she that's
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  Speaker 6: when she ran behind him, telling her him he didn't
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  Speaker 6: get to touch Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Jackie here in the studio has a legal question Regene Award, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: She wants to know if an assault or battery charge
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  Speaker 2: on Miller is appropriate if the victim was following him,
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  Speaker 2: And my answer would be yes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's just take a street.
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  Speaker 2: In Manhattan, for instance, people are this close together walking.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really packed. It's not a crime.
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  Speaker 2: Or any sort of a torte to be walking closely
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  Speaker 2: behind someone. Also, she stopped walking behind him, and he
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  Speaker 2: got a distance away, and then he turned around and
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  Speaker 2: charged at her.
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  Speaker 1: We just saw that on the video.
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  Speaker 7: Yes. In fact, because he was so far away, he
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  Speaker 7: had an opportunity to leave the scene altogether and avoid
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  Speaker 7: any confrontation. He took it u find himself. Of course,
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  Speaker 7: he responded, probably from an emotional standpoint, turned around and
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  Speaker 7: came back back towards the woman, so that when he
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  Speaker 7: was on the other side of the parking lot, he
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  Speaker 7: had what we call it an opportunity to leave. You know,
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  Speaker 7: don't go back into a dangerous situation. You walk away,
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  Speaker 7: not saying that was a dangerous situation in this case,
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  Speaker 7: but when you have, you know, the opportunity to leave
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  Speaker 7: and avoid that confrontation. He certainly had the ability to
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  Speaker 7: do that, seemed and appeared to already be doing that.
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  Speaker 7: But at some point he got emotional and turned around
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  Speaker 7: and came back and wanted to confront or talk about
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  Speaker 7: whatever it was he thought that upset him, that he
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  Speaker 7: heard someone.
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  Speaker 2: Say, well, of course, John Paul Miller's attorney, Russell Long,
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  Speaker 2: is calling his arrest quote outrageous.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 9: Miller's attorney, Russell Long is calling Miller's arrest outrageous and
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  Speaker 9: alleges that the women recording Miller make tying comments and
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  Speaker 9: attempts to bait and coerce Miller. Long claims the city
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  Speaker 9: of Myrtle Beach has failed Miller and Solid Rock Church
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  Speaker 9: by allowing protesters to stalk in harassment Miller and his
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  Speaker 9: church goers, effectively killing the church. Long says Miller's arrest
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  Speaker 9: will only provide protesters with more bait and purpose and
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  Speaker 9: worries that they will not stop.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the protesters are what is killing the church.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the Last Days, Mica Miller's pastor husband John Paul Miller,
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  Speaker 2: accused of raping a fifteen year old little girl. In
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  Speaker 2: a civil suit, the woman we know only as Jane
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  Speaker 2: Doe claims this occurred in nineteen ninety eight eight, and
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  Speaker 2: all that we are learning is in a forty three
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  Speaker 2: page complaint filed in Hoary County Circuit Court. Now we learn,
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  Speaker 2: according to her, the last incident occurred as recently as
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, according to the alleged victim, with John
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  Speaker 2: Paul Miller allegedly grabbing her genitals in public that then
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  Speaker 2: triggered repressed memories. Those repressed memories are alleged to be
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  Speaker 2: an assault by Miller back in nineteen ninety eight when
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  Speaker 2: she was fifteen and he was nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as you know, the so.
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  Speaker 2: Called pastor Miller under heavy scrutiny ever since his wife,
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  Speaker 2: Micah was found dead in the Lumbee River State Park
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  Speaker 2: last April from according to authorities.
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  Speaker 1: A self inflicted gunshot.
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  Speaker 2: Wound Lauren Conlin joining US investigative reporter and co host
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  Speaker 2: of Prime Time Crime on YouTube and you can find
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  Speaker 2: it pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with this, but sticks
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  Speaker 2: and stones may break my bones, but words can never
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  Speaker 2: hurt me.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand this. His lawyer is.
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  Speaker 2: Claiming that women protesting taunted him with comments and.
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  Speaker 1: That they're the bad guys.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, apparently the women that are protesting for Micah are
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  Speaker 10: the bad guys in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: He said they baited him.
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  Speaker 10: John Paul Miller is supposed to be a figure in
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  Speaker 10: the community. He is a pastor, He is not supposed
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  Speaker 10: to be baited and look, I understand that he is
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  Speaker 10: a human being, but I did find it so interesting
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  Speaker 10: Nancy when Ruffong said that the community.
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  Speaker 1: Of Myrtle Beach was failing.
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  Speaker 10: John Paul Miller and failing his church members. Well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 10: what church are we talking about here? Are we talking
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  Speaker 10: about solid rock? Because as of last week, there is
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  Speaker 10: no longer a solid rock web say, there's not a
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  Speaker 10: social media So.
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  Speaker 6: Who who had these protesters failed?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Back to Melissa Pfeiffer joining us who videoed this the
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  Speaker 2: alleged assault on a protester, once again, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You hear that his lawyer is.
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  Speaker 2: Claiming that you and the other protesters are the problem,
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  Speaker 2: that you are harassing JP Miller, and that you are
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  Speaker 2: harassing the church members, and that you have quote killed
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  Speaker 2: the church.
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  Speaker 1: What's your response.
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  Speaker 6: I think the SBI rating JP's house is what took
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  Speaker 6: down his church.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that.
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  Speaker 6: We're not harassing, I mean they it's not a good
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  Speaker 6: look to have your pastor be rated by this BI.
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  Speaker 6: What have you done that? I mean, it's a concerning
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  Speaker 6: statement that he would say that we are the reason
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  Speaker 6: for the church shutting down instead of saying it's his
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  Speaker 6: client's action.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very curious as to how you respond to his
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  Speaker 2: lawyer claiming that you are and the others other protesters
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  Speaker 2: are harassing the church members.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They've been saying that since the beginning, that we are
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  Speaker 6: harassing the church members, and I guess that they think
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  Speaker 6: that because we chan't, that means we're harassing the church members.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not harassing anybody. I'm exercising my First Amendment rights
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  Speaker 6: and I am protesting.
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  Speaker 1: There's never been.
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  Speaker 6: Violence from our side. There's never been any any charges
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  Speaker 6: on any of the protesters. There's never been in any
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  Speaker 6: violence from our side. But what there has been is
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  Speaker 6: violence from his church members and violence from him.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a question, Melissa Pfiffer, why are you protesting
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  Speaker 2: you and the others?
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  Speaker 1: What do you hope to achieve.
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  Speaker 6: For me? We all have our reasons for being out there.
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  Speaker 6: One form or another of MICA's story has touched us each.
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  Speaker 6: We've all been through things, and I protest because something
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  Speaker 6: is not right and I want the truth to come out,
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  Speaker 6: and I need for justice for Mica to be served
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  Speaker 6: and I need him to be held accountable for whatever
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  Speaker 6: it is. He is guilty of whatever, whatever he has
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  Speaker 6: done that can be proven, he needs to be held
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  Speaker 6: accountable for that, and Mica deserves justice.
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  Speaker 12: I just want to let you know that I'm alive
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  Speaker 12: and well, and I'm going through a lot and it's hard.
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  Speaker 13: Micah Miller files for divorce after discovering multiple affairs by
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  Speaker 13: her pastor husband. Micah says in the divorce filing that
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  Speaker 13: she was a faithful and dutiful wife and that she
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  Speaker 13: was quote devoted to their church and marriage.
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  Speaker 12: It's been kind of crazy a couple past weeks, months years.
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  Speaker 14: At Miller's arraignment, the victim's attorney asks the judge for
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  Speaker 14: a no contact order, but the request is denied. Miller's attorney,
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  Speaker 14: Russell Long And sists Miller did not assault the protester
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  Speaker 14: and renews his call for help to stop the harassment
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  Speaker 14: and stalking of Miller and his parishioners, John Paul. Miller
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  Speaker 14: secures a seven hundred and seventy six dollars bond for
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  Speaker 14: the misdemeanor assault charge and is released after spending the
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  Speaker 14: night in jail. Miller is due back in court on
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  Speaker 14: the charges next month.
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  Speaker 2: I find it very interesting that the alleged victim in
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  Speaker 2: this case a no contact order and didn't get one.
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  Speaker 2: Her tires were flatted, a tracking device is placed on
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  Speaker 2: her vehicle. I know this because JP Miller apologized reportedly
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  Speaker 2: for doing that. Her semi nude shot was taken without
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  Speaker 2: her knowledge and posted on some fetish website by JP Miller.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he took the photo, if she
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  Speaker 2: knew he took the photo, but she certainly did not
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  Speaker 2: know he was posting it on a fetish website, and
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  Speaker 2: he also apologized for that. None of these were ever prosecuted.
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  Speaker 2: So now you have one of the protesters, the alleged victim,
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  Speaker 2: asking for a no contact order to be put on
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  Speaker 2: the reverend JP Miller, but the judge refuses. He's also
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  Speaker 2: been released on seven hundred and seventy six dollars bond.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Lauren comin.
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  Speaker 2: They might as well have just given him no bond
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  Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, just let him walk out or released
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  Speaker 2: oun recognisance.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, I meant to point out earlier Nancy, that this
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  Speaker 10: is not his first mugshot. He was arrested back in
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  Speaker 10: nineteen ninety eight for assault and battery. It was later
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  Speaker 10: dismissed and he got community service, and then he was
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  Speaker 10: arrested again for driving with a suspended license, and I
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  Speaker 10: believe he spent sixty days in.
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  Speaker 2: Jail, you know, with the wife dead and a previous
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  Speaker 2: wife claiming that she was abused in various manners. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why the judge didn't give this alleged victim
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  Speaker 2: a no contact order. But that said, we now know
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  Speaker 2: more about the FBI raid on Miller's home.
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  Speaker 9: Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI evidence
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  Speaker 9: this response team shows up to rate his South Carolina home.
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  Speaker 9: The FBI won't say what they're looking for in FBI
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  Speaker 9: spokesman Kevin Wheeler tells you, I say today the FBI
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  Speaker 9: is conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to
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  Speaker 9: the ongoing nature of the investigation, will be providing no
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  Speaker 9: for their comments on the matter. The lawyer for Pastor
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  Speaker 9: John Paul Miller, Russell Long, claims the FBI is on
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  Speaker 9: a fishing expedition. There was no affidavit attached to the
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  Speaker 9: search war and therefore I have no idea what it's
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  Speaker 9: in relation to. All day long, members of the FBI's
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  Speaker 9: Evidence Response team go in and out of the home
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  Speaker 9: carrying paper bags and other items from the home.
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  Speaker 1: Is the church alive and well seemingly not? Joining me?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Marlena Riba, a forensic psychologist who actually lives down
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  Speaker 2: the street from the church.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: What's happening at that church now? Doctor?
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: At this time, it looks like the church is pretty
• 21:51
  Speaker 15: much vacant. I believe it was the last weekend, or
• 21:54
  Speaker 15: maybe two weekends ago, it appeared that they were moving
• 21:58
  Speaker 15: a lot of the belongings of the church, So it
• 22:02
  Speaker 15: looks like they are sort of packing up and maybe
• 22:05
  Speaker 15: going to a different locations. There's also rumors that they
• 22:08
  Speaker 15: may be changing to a virtual sort of.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Platform.
• 22:14
  Speaker 15: So beyond that, I can't really speculate, but I can
• 22:18
  Speaker 15: tell you that every every Sunday there are barricades around
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: the church.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Part of that because.
• 22:25
  Speaker 15: Of the Justice for Mica protesters, and the police is
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: out there. So, you know, it's also kind of interesting
• 22:34
  Speaker 15: to me that the allegations from JP Miller would be
• 22:39
  Speaker 15: that the city of Myrtle Beach isn't doing enough to
• 22:41
  Speaker 15: kind of stop the harassment. It appears to me that,
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: you know, they're actually out there every weekend, making sure
• 22:48
  Speaker 15: that the tensions don't escalate. And as he's proven to us,
• 22:52
  Speaker 15: you know, just with this recent arrest, we now know
• 22:55
  Speaker 15: that he's capable of sort of escalating things to a
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: physical level when challenged or questioned.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I find all of this extremely probative, Doctor Riva,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: because many people do not believe that Micah committed suicide.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Others believe that she was driven to suicide by her husband,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the Reverend JP Miller, and there is precedent in our
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: country for prosecuting someone who drives another to suicide. In
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: this brand new civil lawsuit, claims are made that the
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: trauma of an earlier alleged sex assault was quote deeply
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: buried and the Jane Doe had no conscious recollection of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the assault. All this coming out after Micah Miller found
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: dead by gunshot wound after serving husband John Paul Miller
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: with divorce papers. Police have ruled her death a suicide,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: but many do not accept that ruling. You know, we
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: were talking briefly about the FBI raid and that would
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: have been on Miller's home. It's never a good thing,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: as I like to say, when you look out your
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: kitchen window and you see the FBI coming through your trash.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in trouble. They did a full on raid
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: on his home.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Regina Ward, the attorney from Mica, his family saw part
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: of that raid. What were they taking out, Regina?
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was there, and they took out lots
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: of different things in terms of but mostly it was packaged,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: sealed covered and bags, small bags, big bags. There were
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: boxes that came out as well. I saw them take
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: out one thing that was not covered was all in
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: one computer from and put that in the evidence truck.
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: There were multiple things that they brought out. At some
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: point they closed the broad store too, so they must
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: have been filtering through that and taken out other evidence
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: from there. The day that John Paul Miller was released
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: from jail on bond, that just happened.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: To be.
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Or the seventh year anniversary their wedding anniversary.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, Mine, what.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: A wonderful gift he gave her walking out of there
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: with his mugshot all over the world.
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: I've had a lot.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Of women that have reached out to me about situations
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: of abuse, and.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I just want.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: To tell you what a lot of people have told
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: me lately and reminded me because I think I forgot
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I knew, but I for I pushed it in the
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: back of my head just because of my situation. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: you are the bride of Christ. God hates But why?
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it's because it hurts people. But does abuse hurt people?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: How do you think God feels about that?
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: Micah Miller is born in Wichita, Kansas, and grows up
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: as an adventurous, energetic, and giving person. Always a hard worker.
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: She gets to know her future husband when she is
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: just fifteen years old and he is her church youth leader.
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: Privately, she tells her sister she is afraid of John
• 26:30
  Speaker 16: Paul Miller, going so far as to tell her sister,
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: Sierra Francis, if I end up with a bullet in my.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Head, it was JP.
• 26:39
  Speaker 17: Attorney Regina Ward is also revealing that she received a
• 26:42
  Speaker 17: subpoena for a grand jury investigating John Paul Miller months
• 26:46
  Speaker 17: before the raid. Ward claims the document she provided help
• 26:49
  Speaker 17: the FBI obtain the search warrant for John Paul Miller's home.
• 26:53
  Speaker 17: Ward is competent and indictment is coming, and reports that
• 26:56
  Speaker 17: a new potential witness has stepped forward as a result
• 26:58
  Speaker 17: of the search.
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: Overseeing the investigation are asking for any potential witnesses and
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: victims to come forward. Anyone with information is asked to
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: call the FBI Myrtle Beach at eight four three six
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: two six seven four seven six, or use the FBI's
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: online tip form.
• 27:15
  Speaker 18: All right, here we go, a grand jury meeting calling
• 27:20
  Speaker 18: witnesses regarding an investigation of the Reverend J. P.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Miller.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: This after the suicide of his wife Micah and joining
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: me Regina Ward, Michael Miller's family lawyer.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: What's it all about? What are they investigating? Regina?
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: Well, the grand jury subpoena that I received asking for
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: me to appear. I wanted to make this clear they
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: were asking. It's a subpoena, dius. Just take what says
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: that they want my documents and the things that I
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: have in my possession.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: On page two.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: It lists multiple things that they want me to They
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: wanted me to produced relevant to certain situations and what
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: I would say, certain types of crimes in my observation
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: of it. However, those are things that I will not
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: and cannot reveal. I don't want to, you know, interfere
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: or jeopardize investigation whatsoever. But they, you know, came and
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: took all of my entire file, everything that Micah gave me,
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: and everything else that I had put together, even myself.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: I also wanted to point out you've asked, you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: we've talked about his adultery. It is a crime in
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: South Carolina to commit adultery. It's actually a statute that
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: carries up to one year in jail, which is pretty interesting.
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: But also the other thing is we talked about the
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: dissemination of the photograph. In South Carolina, we're the only
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: state that doesn't have a law against that. Now, we
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: do have a law against disseminating obscene photos and you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: things like that, and it does have a penalty, but
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: it's really geared towards the person receiving it did not
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: want to receive it. The law that we have doesn't
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: necessarily address where the photograph came from. It only addresses
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: really like the recipient, someone who sees it if they're
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: offended by it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to pry into what was the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: target of a subpoena. Duca's teakum, which is, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: typically we hear about subpoenas for you to show up
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to court a duke's teakem is to bring documents or objects.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, in which direction do
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: you believe the grand jury is going.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Are they looking for some type of fraud.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Are they looking for transporting miners across state lines for
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the purposes of sex? Are they looking for underage sex activity?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Where do you think they're headed?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And is it a federal grand jury or a local
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: grand jury? It was a federal grand jury.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: And it was a subpoena che to appear with an
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: alternate to bring documents.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I want to make that clear.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: And I was able to provide you with the waivers
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: so you don't have to appear before the grand jury.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: I just submit all of my documents and the investigator,
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: excuse me, the agent that's assigned to it, and the prosecutor.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: They're the ones that present it to the grand jury
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: in order to get the search for it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, guys.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this, we are learning
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that JB. Miller reportedly already has a girlfriend.
• 30:35
  Speaker 17: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, is buzzing with rumors that Pastor
• 30:38
  Speaker 17: John Paul Miller is dating again and has possibly even remarried.
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: Miller was previously seen out to dinner with a member
• 30:45
  Speaker 17: of his congregation just four days after Micah Miller's suicide.
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: Less than twenty four hours after his home is rated
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: by the FBI, Miller is seen with the same woman
• 30:55
  Speaker 17: having lunch at McAllister's Delhi. This time, the pair cap
• 30:58
  Speaker 17: their distance and appear ten when entering and leaving the.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: Restaurant, claiming he's still wearing the ring he wed Micah with,
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: Miller laughed off reporter's questions about his love life, saying
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: he's quote still dealing with Micah, still dealing with Micah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: His wife is dead and he refers to that as
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: still dealing with Micah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Joining me is a well known a veteran law enforcement detective,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: owner and chief investigator for Barry and Associates Investigation Services.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Barry Hutchinson is joining us and you can find him
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: online at Pibarrybarry dot com. Barry this thing stinks to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: high Heaven, I mean, Barry this guy. Pastor Miller immediately
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: has a girlfriend after Micah's apparent suicide, and when asked
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: about it, he says, I'm still dealing with Micah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: That's not a good look.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: No, it's not a crime, but it sure doesn't look
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: good when you're in the middle of a grand jury probe.
• 32:06
  Speaker 19: You know you made the comment of jumping out of
• 32:08
  Speaker 19: a frying pan into the fire. I want to add
• 32:10
  Speaker 19: something to you that you're not only are you doing that,
• 32:13
  Speaker 19: but you're doing it in gas soaked underwear.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: You know, this.
• 32:19
  Speaker 19: Guy, he's you know, he's as dirty as they can
• 32:23
  Speaker 19: get they I agree with the thousand percent the guy
• 32:26
  Speaker 19: he's dirty. I mean, there's something wrong with this entire situation.
• 32:31
  Speaker 19: I can't say what I actually want to say about him,
• 32:33
  Speaker 19: but it's not a good situation.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I just leave it at that. Straight back out to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us. Lauren the woman.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: At issue, Okay, the one that he's having lunch with.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: He's been spotted around town with her very soon after
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Mike's suicide. Now question where exactly were they seen.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Most recently, it was.
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: At a restaurant a few days after Micah's death that
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: they were first seen by the public, and then the
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: day that JP's house got rated by the FBI, they
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: were seen having lunch.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Let me be clear, we cannot prove in any way
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that these two are having an affair. For all I
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: know they're bonding over their respective spouses committing suicide.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We don't know that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: But what I do know is that Solid Rock Church
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: appears to be over listen.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: It appears Pastor John Paul Miller and other staff members
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: are emptying Solid Rock Church, likely due to the scrutiny
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: of the organization is under while Miller faces accusations that
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: he drove his wife, Micah to suicide. Miller's Faith First
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: School is also cleared, with staff posting online that members
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: of the congregation are welcome to anything they want. Solid
• 33:53
  Speaker 9: Rock sign has also been taken down.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in new Bombshell papers, the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: alleged victim in the civil lawsuit says she had been
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: attending Sunday School at Miller's father's church when the now
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: pastor John Paul Miller forced her into his father's office,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: shutting the door behind them and immediately becoming aggressive and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: overpowering her. She says she struggled.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And pled with him to stop, but he led her
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: from the office to outside the church, that she was
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: forced into his truck and raped. That was years ago,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but this twenty twenty three incident, according to her, sparked
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the lawsuit, and it involved the pair meeting in Myrtle Beach.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: While she was there with a friend, she says, Pastor
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: John Paul Miller leaned in to hug her and shoved
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: his hand down her pants without her consent.
• 34:59
  Speaker 20: He so.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It also names All Nations Church, which was led by
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: his father, Reginald Wayne Miller, and against his own church Cathedral,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Baptists of the Grand Strand and Solid Rocke Ministries all
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: named as defendants. All this coming to light after the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: death of his young wife, Micah Miller. I remember the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: facts very well.
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: Sarah McDougall says. Micah Miller did not kill herself, saying
• 35:32
  Speaker 17: we don't really know who pulled the trigger, and conceding
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: that Micah Miller may very well have. McDougall says, even
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: if Michah Miller did technically pull the trigger, Michah Miller
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: did not kill herself. McDougall says, sworn testimony of family
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: and friends confirms her non suicidal state of mind prior
• 35:49
  Speaker 17: to her death, and the fact that she had recently
• 35:51
  Speaker 17: shipped belongings to Africa to start fresh doing mission service overseas.
• 35:55
  Speaker 17: All points to Micah Miller not being suicidal at the
• 35:58
  Speaker 17: time she killed herself.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: The only one not to blame. I'm the only one
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: who tried to help her, keep her alive with me.
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: She never commits tor side with me.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: She's happy, healthy, whole.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That last bit Miller speaking and claiming he's the only
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: one that kept her alive.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That's our friends at WPDEABC fifteen two. Doctor jan Gorniac
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: joining us a renowned medical examiner at the Clark County
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Office of Coroner.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That's where she practiced most of her time. That's Vegas.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Never a lack of business in the morgue there, doctor Gorniac.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: As of now, her death has been ruled as suicide.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: To prove that, you're going to have to look at
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a body that had been submerged in water. So how
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: would you find, for instance, stippling gunshot residue burning around
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the wound, or gunshot residue on the hand, How would
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you determine that's a suicide if all on the gunshot
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: residue is gone having been submerged in water, Doctor gorneant.
• 37:07
  Speaker 21: Well in order to determine manner death, and that's what
• 37:10
  Speaker 21: we're talking about when we say suicide with something ruled
• 37:12
  Speaker 21: a suicide, we're talking about manner death. The manner death
• 37:16
  Speaker 21: comes from the circumstances. So it's not just the body,
• 37:19
  Speaker 21: it's the circumstances that we have to know. So you
• 37:23
  Speaker 21: said that you was in water, is the gun still there?
• 37:29
  Speaker 21: We also have to look into someone's medical history. Are
• 37:32
  Speaker 21: there any stressors? So, for instance, besides the medical history,
• 37:37
  Speaker 21: when you say medical history, you think about diabetes or
• 37:40
  Speaker 21: high blood pressure, but we also have to talk about
• 37:42
  Speaker 21: mental health history. And then also we always have to
• 37:46
  Speaker 21: ask has there been any suicide ideations, any talk about suicide?
• 37:52
  Speaker 21: Have there been any attempts at suicide prior attempts? So
• 37:55
  Speaker 21: all of that comes into play.
• 37:59
  Speaker 20: So we can look at We can look at the body.
• 38:01
  Speaker 20: Some of the stuff might be washed away, like you said,
• 38:03
  Speaker 20: the soot, but the skin is still going to be
• 38:05
  Speaker 20: burned if it's a close contact wound. Also we can
• 38:09
  Speaker 20: look at the bone. There might be foot on the
• 38:13
  Speaker 20: bone underneath, and that would say it's a close contact
• 38:16
  Speaker 20: wound also, But in order to call something a suicide,
• 38:20
  Speaker 20: it's more dependent on the circumstances than it is the
• 38:24
  Speaker 20: wound itself. But I mean, obviously we have to make
• 38:26
  Speaker 20: sure the wound matches. Now we have a excuse me,
• 38:31
  Speaker 20: a gunshot wound that is a distant gunshot wound at
• 38:34
  Speaker 20: the back of the head, most likely not a suicide.
• 38:38
  Speaker 20: So part of our job is to prove or disprove
• 38:41
  Speaker 20: the circumstances. So a gunshot wound close contact, right to left,
• 38:46
  Speaker 20: left to right, whatever the direction is, that's more consistent
• 38:49
  Speaker 20: with a suicide. But that's in conjunction with the circumstances.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Now interesting that in this case, doctor Gorniac, her own
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: family said that she feared for her life, that she
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: would never make it through the divorce alive. Those are
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Micah's words, not mine. We have PRESDA in the US
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: regarding those individuals that drive someone obviously probatively drive someone
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to suicide, like Michelle Carter.
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: Conrad Roy, then Michelle Carter connect over both being diagnosed
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: with depression, and when Roy tells Carter he wants to
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: kill himself, she encourages him to do it, deciding to
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: use a generator in his truck and die by carbon monoxide.
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: Michelle Carter helps him decide on where to park his
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: truck so he could die as carbon monoxide begins to
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: fill his strug cabin. Conrad Roy the Third gets out,
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: texting Michelle Carter he'll do it another day. Carter texts
• 39:43
  Speaker 9: to Roy are challenging, telling him he overthinks things. Carter texts, Roy,
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: you just said you were gonna do it tonight and
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: now you're saying eventually. Carter tells Roy to get back
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: in the truck. Authorities discovered the body of Conrad Roy
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: the Third in his pickup truck parked outside of kmart
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: and fair Haven message JUSS the next day. He was eighteen.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: She was prosecuted for driving her very young and inexperienced
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: boyfriend to suicide.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: If you had seen the text that she sent him,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: just do it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: What are you waiting for? Are you going to do it? Well,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: he did it and now he's dead and she went
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to jail. Mimi argue that Pastor Miller drove his wife
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to suicide.
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: Listen, Michah Miller's best friend remembers being dragged into one
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: of many marital fights instigated by loving husband Pastor John
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: Paul Miller. Charlotte Corn finds herself in a group tanks
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: with the couple after Miller presses Micah on an odd question.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, baiting, baiting her, but this is what happened.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Talk about a head gang. Listen.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: Miller continues on this tirade, spiraling into a huge fight.
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: Micah leaves to cool off, and that's when Miller threatens
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: to follow Micah to her sister's home, well armed, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: donate all of Micah's belongings if she doesn't return home immediately.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Regina Ward, this is just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: one of the many mind games pastor Miller reportedly, I'm
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: sure he would deny all of this if he were
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to join us, which he declined, Regina Ward, baiting her
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and then he turned it around on her.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: Yes, that's a classic tactic control, a classic tactic of
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: a control course of control person. They're always baiting, pushing,
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: pushing tribes ideas in your head to make you feel crazy,
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: to get you to come in to their little snare
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: so then they can whip it around on you. It's
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: a coercal control tactic excuse quite frequently, and based on
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: the evidence that I have that Michael left with me.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: In the history of mister Miller, this was nothing unusual.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: It was it the first time, and probably wasn't the
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: last time, and I wouldn't be surprised if he used
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: the same type of tactics on her on the day
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  Speaker 7: that she passed.
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  Speaker 13: After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: is removed from her car, she gets an apology email
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  Speaker 13: from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me,
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He
• 42:14
  Speaker 13: goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: just attack and try to cause pain.
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  Speaker 2: A GPS tracker placed on her car, her tires slashed,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Was she driven to commit suicide?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And that's not all? Listen.
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  Speaker 16: Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent
• 42:35
  Speaker 16: photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul
• 42:45
  Speaker 16: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry
• 42:48
  Speaker 16: for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,
• 42:51
  Speaker 16: I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: included it was evil of me to do that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Hey know doctor Marlena raiba is with US forensic psychologist
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and rear Its consultant. Doctor Marlena part of part of
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the whole series of assaults in the sense of slashing tires,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: putting a track, or posting her semi nude on some
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: fetish website, is that it's someone that you trust and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: that you love, which in my mind makes it so
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: much worse.
• 43:26
  Speaker 15: If you're absolutely correct, And I think when you're thinking
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: about someone with these sort of personality characteristics that are
• 43:35
  Speaker 15: that do align sort of with narcissism and kind of
• 43:39
  Speaker 15: this very egocentric way of being, right, there's this need
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: of control. They tend to disregard the feelings of others.
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: They're insensitive to the memory of Mica, and so you know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: even some of the behaviors that we saw in in
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: the church, right, a lot of that seems to mimic
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: some of those behaviors. And you're right in that it
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: is so much worse because that person is sort of
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: taking that person's on that individual's vulnerabilities and exploiting them.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Melissa five for joining us who has been outside the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: church protesting Melissa, what exactly about all of this makes
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you feel you need to go out and.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: Protest everything, everything that Micah has said. We all of
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: us that are out there protesting. We believe Micah, and.
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: She's not here anymore. And I believe that if if
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: we stay quiet, and I believe that this will will
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: be washed away. It needs attention. It can't just we
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: can't play bystander effect.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: We know that a grandeur is meeting and the target
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: of that grand jury is John Paul Miller.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: We also know.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: That MICA's death has been ruled a suicide.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: We wait as just as simpoles.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And let me remind everyone in our country, you are innocent,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: absolutely innocent, until you are proven guilty beyond a reasonable
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: doubt in a court of law. As of right now,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Miller is innocent in the eyes of the law.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Let's just see what happens.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.