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TMCP Ep 8: Should Fighters Be Penalized For Ducking Fights? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
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Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
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Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine Wayne Town
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Speaker 1: with six wins.
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Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans.
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Speaker 3: And two total paint ruptcies.
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Speaker 2: Hits the Classy. I'll go thank you. Welcome back to
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Speaker 2: the episode of Mixed Company podcast. Of course, miamus Jamison
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Speaker 2: and I'm joining, Oh what is by classy? Classy? What's
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Speaker 2: going on? Man?
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Speaker 3: Oh man? I am very stoked this week because the
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Speaker 3: boxing world has been a bit quiet and easing into
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Speaker 3: the new year, as expected, but now it's ramping up
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Speaker 3: and we got a bunch of several We got several
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Speaker 3: important fights happening soon that we're going to talk about today. So, uh,
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Speaker 3: do you want to get into the news.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's get right into it. You never really eased
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Speaker 2: into boxing because boxing is like a twenty four seven,
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Speaker 2: three sixty five sports. Always something going on, right, whether
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Speaker 2: it's boxer's doing something being made, you know, talk going
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Speaker 2: on is always something that the sport never dies. It's
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Speaker 2: always there's no off season for boxing.
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Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. Well, I walked to
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Speaker 3: the news stand this morning. I picked up some pornomags
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Speaker 3: and I also got a copy of the Boxing Gazette.
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Speaker 3: So let's look at some headlines here.
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Speaker 2: They still sew porno magazine stores.
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Speaker 3: I get my hands on the one way or another.
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Speaker 3: So the but all right, okay, physical media will never die.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of things that will less forever for and for
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Speaker 3: the for the young listeners, a magazine is like an
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Speaker 3: iPad made out of paper back in the day that
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Speaker 3: we had. So first up last Friday, in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the night, us time. You know. Japanese boxer and
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Speaker 3: knockout artists. Now, yeah, in a way defeated Yeh June
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Speaker 3: Kim and run four of their fight, which is honestly
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Speaker 3: the least surprising news in the world. But there's something
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about, the actual knockout. But first, Jameson,
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Speaker 3: did you get a chance to see a replay of
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Speaker 3: the fight?
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Speaker 2: Die replay of the fight? It's a as expected, like
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Speaker 2: we're not surprised by the results, like we've kind of
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Speaker 2: expected my biggest couple things a little bit controversial. But
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Speaker 2: also it's time to see him in America. Now, it's
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Speaker 2: time to see him when everybody's up and watching live
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Speaker 2: not hear say it's almost like a it's almost like
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Speaker 2: a myth in a sense, right, Like you've heard about him,
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Speaker 2: you've heard the name, you see him on list, but
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Speaker 2: no one's really seen him live out here. We've heard him,
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Speaker 2: we've heard all the things on pound pound list. Some
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Speaker 2: people have him a number one pound pound, which is
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Speaker 2: a little crazy to me, but neither here nor there. However,
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Speaker 2: we got to see him with the lights of bright
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Speaker 2: in Vegas, New York, LA, whatever, where there's twenty thousand
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Speaker 2: people and you're in an unfamiliar territory and Liscott si
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Speaker 2: how he performs in because that's all that matters.
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Speaker 3: He did say that his plan is to fight in
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Speaker 3: Vegas this year, so he wants to fight twice this
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Speaker 3: year Vegas and then maybe Saudi Arabia at the end
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Speaker 3: of the year, so maybe in the summer something like that.
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Speaker 3: And something I forgot to mention we previous the fight
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Speaker 3: last episode, my man, you know, way he fights twice
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Speaker 3: a year. Like you want to talk about guys not
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Speaker 3: being active, which we brought up before. He fights twice
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Speaker 3: a year consistently. This fight he just had was delayed
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Speaker 3: from December, but he's still going to do his two fights,
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Speaker 3: so you may get three total in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: which is wild. So you know, other folks take note.
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Speaker 3: The thing I wanted to mention about the actual knockout
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Speaker 3: you know, Kim, he started off okay, you know, got
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Speaker 3: some shots in uh turn the fourth dry and he
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Speaker 3: was up against the ropes and he did the like
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Speaker 3: come and get it, like show me what you got
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Speaker 3: thing when he put his hands up. Y'all, don't do that.
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Speaker 3: Don't do that shit unless you really really know you
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Speaker 3: can block, dodge and take the shots from your opponent.
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Speaker 3: Because guess what happened. You know, he showed him what
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Speaker 3: he had and you know, got him with some body shots,
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Speaker 3: got him in the chin, and my man was out.
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Speaker 3: So you don't want to be the dude that that
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Speaker 3: goes wrong for, is all I say.
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Speaker 2: Please.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, hopefully he does fight in Vegas
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Speaker 3: and a lot of more folks get to see him
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Speaker 3: later this year. I'm excited.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 3: The guy's name is nickname is the Monster. And weirdly
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Speaker 3: enough we're going from one monster to another because this
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Speaker 3: next fighter, he's also a knockout artist. His nickname is
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Speaker 3: also well, it's all monstro of course. I'm talking about
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Speaker 3: local hero David Benavidez from Phoenix. The Saturday, February first,
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Speaker 3: he is going up against David Morrele Junior from Cuba.
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Speaker 3: Benevidez used to fight at super middleweight at one sixty
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Speaker 3: eight pounds. He was the mandatory challenger for Canelo Alvarez,
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Speaker 3: but Cannelo refused to fight him. Was Canelo being coward?
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Speaker 2: Was he afraid?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say was he a coward? Was he afraid?
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Speaker 3: As possible? So Benavidez decided to move up one weight
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Speaker 3: class to light heavyweight max have won seventy five pounds,
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Speaker 3: trying to make a name for himself, and if he
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Speaker 3: wins this match, he'll be a natural challenger for the
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Speaker 3: winner of the Dmitri Beebl and archer peterbev rematched in February. So, Jameson,
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Speaker 3: how do you feel about this idea that Canelo ducked
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Speaker 3: Benavidez because he was afraid? And I gonna need a
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Speaker 3: stiff drink for this one, because you know, Canelos my guy.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know. But here's the thing. All of
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Speaker 2: our fighters have done weird things in their careers. Like,
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Speaker 2: that's how it goes, like no, no one's fighter is
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent innocent and pure when it comes to
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Speaker 2: the business of boxing. Just how it goes. If you're
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Speaker 2: a Floyd fan, if you're a Manny fan, if you're
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Speaker 2: a Canelo fan, They've all picked and choose and done
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Speaker 2: things that people don't agree with for the betterment of
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Speaker 2: themselves in their pocketbook. So this is just par for
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Speaker 2: the course. Canelos smart Canal is also an entity in
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Speaker 2: a businessman. There are certain weekends in Vegas where if
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Speaker 2: he's fighting, everyone does well. Everyone right. The Tourism board
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Speaker 2: of Clark County welcomes him to come a couple times
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Speaker 2: a year. So it's bigger than just bragging rights. It's
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Speaker 2: bigger than just win loss records. You gotta understand less
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Speaker 2: it's worth it money wise, You're not gonna take unnecessary
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Speaker 2: risk in your eyes, That's just how it goes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you want to say Canelo duck Benavidez
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Speaker 3: because he was afraid, that's fine. I'm not even gonna
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Speaker 3: argue it. I personally just hate our fans can always
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Speaker 3: find a reason to complain about a fighter. Nobody has
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Speaker 3: a good enough resume. Nobody fights the right people. Everyone
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Speaker 3: is overrated. Like if Instagram and Facebook comings made a
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Speaker 3: legal light, wouldn't be said.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, here's the thing. The only thing I will say,
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Speaker 2: Oscar didn't duck anybody. Why. Oscar has a lot of
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Speaker 2: flaws and we INVESI post fighting career and all that
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Speaker 2: stuff and outside of the ring, But the one thing
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Speaker 2: I will give him credit for is he didn't duck anybody.
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Speaker 2: He was the face of the sport for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Inf'sially for the notoriety he was able to provide, and
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Speaker 2: he never really ducked it. He focked everyone, And I
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Speaker 2: give him a lot of because ever since then, no
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Speaker 2: one's done that, or they did it, did it on
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Speaker 2: their time, right, They wait until people declined, They waited
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Speaker 2: till people were in different situations, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's what we're accustomed to, is, Hey,
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Speaker 2: whoever the face of the sport is, you're taking all challenges.
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Speaker 2: So when that didn't happen with the generations after, it
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Speaker 2: was kind of like, ah, but the business is so
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Speaker 2: large now, the amounts are so huge that I understand,
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Speaker 2: I get it. Right.
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Speaker 3: Well, and another thing on specifically Canelo. You know the
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Speaker 3: WBC were Boxing Council supposedly threatened to strip his belt
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Speaker 3: if he didn't take the Benavitas fight, but then they
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Speaker 3: did it. So if it's not going to be in force,
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Speaker 3: nobody has to fight anybody, like fact, why make a
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Speaker 3: mentor I'm supposed to like not do drugs in the
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Speaker 3: bathroom of a dive bar in two some. But if
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Speaker 3: the bartender is a friend of mine and isn't going
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Speaker 3: to hold me to that rule, then I don't think
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Speaker 3: I really did anything wrong.
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Speaker 2: You're honorlyerminating our cell on live podcast.
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Speaker 3: No, no comedy, said satire, comedy, satire, just yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: checking allegedly if I were to do that hypothetically speaking, okay,
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Speaker 3: make you sure, yeah, yeah, of course, of course I
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Speaker 3: know the game. But yeah, Benavite is a great fighter.
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Speaker 3: I hope he has a lot of success in the
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Speaker 3: light heavyweight class. I hope he fights and beats the
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Speaker 3: shit out of either better Be or be Ball in
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Speaker 3: the near future. So perps to you man, helps to
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Speaker 3: see you, helps to see you get bigger and bigger. Uh. Sunday,
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Speaker 3: February twod Clarissa Shield returns to the ring to fight
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Speaker 3: in her hometown of Flint against Daniel Perkins, who only
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Speaker 3: has a record of five and zero but is a
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Speaker 3: former basketball player over six feet tall, probably the most
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Speaker 3: physically imposing opponent Shield that has ever got up again.
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Speaker 3: So we've talked about Clarissa plenty on the show because
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Speaker 3: the bio picked the fire inside, which y'all should see.
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, for this fight. You know, I just want
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Speaker 3: to reiterate what I've said before that let's not dismiss
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Speaker 3: opponents as like bums, tomato cans, uber drivers, whatever, just
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Speaker 3: think because they don't have a long resume, anything can
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Speaker 3: happen to boxing. An upset is always on the table,
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Speaker 3: and a great fighter can always have an off.
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Speaker 2: Night, right, always always not focused, taking someone lightly, et cetera,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Next you know you're in a fight, a
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Speaker 2: close fight in round eight. You just never know how
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Speaker 2: these things work out. So never taken too lightly, Shields
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Speaker 2: should win, but you know, you just never know. You
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Speaker 2: never know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know I'm rooting for and I'm rooting
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Speaker 3: for women's boxing, so you know, please watch support and
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Speaker 3: let's get more ladies out there on the ring.
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Speaker 2: Let's get us scrapping absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of scraps, I wanted to mention online one this
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Speaker 3: is more for fun between Devin Haney and Serves Sloane.
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Speaker 3: I'll put on my Jay Leno voice, cheer about this,
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Speaker 3: care about this.
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Speaker 2: I've seen the hangings on social media for the last month.
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Speaker 2: I've seen the dad, I've seen the sun, I've seen
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Speaker 2: different things. It's getting out of hand. Why get back
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Speaker 2: in the ring?
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Speaker 3: Sure this one, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and
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Speaker 3: give get on Haney side a little bit because what
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Speaker 3: happened is that Stolene had a TikTok video from last year.
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Speaker 3: The resurfaced on you know, some some boxing account or whatever.
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Speaker 3: He was showing off some gloves that he used to
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Speaker 3: wear when he was filming Rocky and he said, I
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Speaker 3: got the code here.
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Speaker 4: Uh, they don't even allow these today because they're so dangerous.
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Speaker 4: That's what they that's what they use when I did
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Speaker 4: the film. They're billy six ounces. They're literally lethal. Is
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Speaker 4: the time when people were tougher, sorry they were, Life
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Speaker 4: is getting easier and easier and easier, man.
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Speaker 3: So David Hayney on Twitter said, dude, don't know a
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Speaker 3: left frock from a fish hook, which is kind of funny.
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Speaker 3: He got the nervous speak on times being easier in boxing,
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Speaker 3: like he wasn't just an actor buddy them Rocky movies
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Speaker 3: wasn't real, which.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing I hate more than like the grampies talking
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Speaker 3: about how people used to be tougher and kids these
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Speaker 3: days there's so soft. But man, shut up, like you're
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Speaker 3: you're basically just giving yourself credit for your generation, and
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Speaker 3: you know two layers you want to talk about boxing
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Speaker 3: maybe being tougher, being fifteen rounds, people using different good
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Speaker 3: things change because people fucking died. You know, boxing has been,
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Speaker 3: has always been a dayier sport. It always will be.
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean we think the sport is better
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Speaker 3: when there's a higher number of dead fighters. Do we like?
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Speaker 2: No, it's like anything else. Still the air of the sport.
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Speaker 2: Everyone from there are thinks it was the toughest, it
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Speaker 2: was the hardest, et cetera, et cetera. So you talk
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Speaker 2: to a football fan, they're going to say football in
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Speaker 2: the seventies and eighties was tougher than it is now,
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Speaker 2: saying thing with basketball and baseball. That's just how it goes.
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Speaker 2: But also technology evolves. Information to evolved, So the information
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Speaker 2: technology we have now is way better than it was
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Speaker 2: thirty forty fifty years ago. So we're able to put
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Speaker 2: that in place and make things easier for our athletes
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Speaker 2: to box. And that's kind of where we're at with things.
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Speaker 2: So unfortunately, some people were just born at the wrong time.
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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, but at the same time, yeah, you
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Speaker 3: learn and adapt. That's kind of what we're all supposed
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Speaker 3: to do, is people as a society, So just not
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Speaker 3: just stuck living in the past, I think. And Plus,
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Speaker 3: if Stallone is talking about how the world and society
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Speaker 3: at large things are just easier, all I'll say is
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Speaker 3: kids in school these days do active shooter drills. And
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Speaker 3: the reason Stillone probably considers themselves so tough is because
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Speaker 3: he had to grow up watching black people move into
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Speaker 3: his neighborhoods. Yes, I said it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's the generation that he comes from
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Speaker 2: is different. You know, they view things a lot different
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Speaker 2: than we do. So I don't agree with his stance,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not totally surprised either.
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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, I mean, yes, you're never surprised when a
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Speaker 3: granpy says we were twofer back then.
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Speaker 2: That's correct.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's kind of the just kind of trying
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Speaker 3: to pick some headlines off of the Boxing Gazette that
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Speaker 3: I think you're interesting to talk about. Let's move on
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Speaker 3: to a topic that I've been reading about that I
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Speaker 3: don't know how significant it is, Jamison, definitely want to
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Speaker 3: get your take on what this means for the boxing world.
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Speaker 3: Boxing broadcasts, you know. So, there's several boxing promotional companies
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Speaker 3: out there today. The one that's probably best known as
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Speaker 3: Top Rank. They've been around since the seventies. They promoted
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Speaker 3: fighters that practically everyone has heard of, even if you
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Speaker 3: don't watch boxing, Muhammad Ali, George Furman, and Pacquiel Mayweather,
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Speaker 3: so many others.
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Speaker 2: So they got a.
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Speaker 3: Contract it with their fights to air their fights on ESPN.
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Speaker 3: They've been with them since the eighties, broke things off
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Speaker 3: of the nineties, got back together in twenty seventeen, blah
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Speaker 3: blah blah. So the contract is going to be up
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Speaker 3: this year, and there is a hints the rumors word
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Speaker 3: on the street that Top Rank has its eye, its
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Speaker 3: wandering eye on a sexy young British streamer named the Zone,
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Speaker 3: who we've talked about before. So yeah, I mean the
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Speaker 3: possibility of Top Rank no longer showing its fights on
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Speaker 3: ESPN and going to a streamer only because the Zone
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Speaker 3: is you know, it's an app and it's also subscription only.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this. What
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Speaker 3: are your thoughts on it? I know there have been
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Speaker 3: different kinds of you know, changes in contracts, broadcast, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Give me, give me your thoughts on this.
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Speaker 2: The fan needs to know that it's very expensive to
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Speaker 2: throw a boxing mat or provide or you know, host
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Speaker 2: a boxing event. It's very expensive. It's even more expensive
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Speaker 2: to showcase it and do it repeatedly over a year.
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Speaker 2: So that being said, I can see why ESPN is
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Speaker 2: getting out of the business if certain fights aren't being made,
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Speaker 2: if they're not making the return they need to make,
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Speaker 2: then they're going to get out. However, Amazon, Dozone, Apple TV,
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Speaker 2: all those need content. So if you're saying that the
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Speaker 2: Zone is getting boxing, that's perfectly fine. I get that.
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Speaker 2: If other streamers want to come in as well, OXY
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Speaker 2: that as well. Because what happens is they all those
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Speaker 2: platforms need live content. Even though the events are expensive
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Speaker 2: to host, they need live content. So it makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 2: Why the streaming services say, hey, you know what, once
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Speaker 2: it deals over, will take care of you because it's
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Speaker 2: cheaper for us to air the fights on our platform,
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Speaker 2: that is for ESPN, and do it. So it all
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Speaker 2: makes sense. It totally makes sense. And it's also it's
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Speaker 2: the norm because every other sport is doing the same thing.
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Speaker 2: Everything's being streamed now, everything has streaming options. A lot
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Speaker 2: of networks along other ways are not investing as much
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Speaker 2: money or whatever it may be. So this is a
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Speaker 2: sign of the times. It's a sign of the times.
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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for older people who aren't technological savly
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Speaker 2: because they're used to just turning on channel and watching
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Speaker 2: an event. Now they got to download an app or
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Speaker 2: wait for a stream to pop up, and that's not
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Speaker 2: necessarily their strengths.
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Speaker 3: Well, everything you're saying is pair. Yes, it is the
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Speaker 3: sign of the times. However, you did make a very
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Speaker 3: good point, or a very important point. I have to
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Speaker 3: mention you said everything has streaming options. ESPN has a
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Speaker 3: streaming option in ESPN plus this is going to go
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Speaker 3: all streaming. And I'm not even worried so much about
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Speaker 3: the grand piece. Honestly, my thoughts on it were the people.
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Speaker 3: We've talked about how more people should be getting into boxing.
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Speaker 3: We should be doing everything we can to expand the sport. Right,
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Speaker 3: core fans will follow it anywhere you put it on,
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Speaker 3: any app, any streaming service, whatever it is, will follow.
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Speaker 3: But for the people that don't, letsten let's there's three
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Speaker 3: categories of people that don't follow boxing. People who cut
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Speaker 3: Number one as people cut the cord, don't have cable
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Speaker 3: and also don't watch sports at all, so they pay
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Speaker 3: for Netflix HBO. They don't care about sports. They're practically unreachable,
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Speaker 3: you know, which is fine. Number two is people who
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Speaker 3: don't care about sports but still have basic cable and
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Speaker 3: then maybe they pay for like HBO. Three is people
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Speaker 3: who love sports but have never seen a boxing match.
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Speaker 3: I know people like that who are obsessed with the NFL,
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Speaker 3: NBA or baseball if they're a fan of napping, but
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Speaker 3: they've never seen a match. So we can write off
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Speaker 3: number one as potential boxing fans. But what if we
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Speaker 3: could convince people from group two or three to watch
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Speaker 3: a match for whatever reason? Maybe we talk about it,
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Speaker 3: you know on social media.
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Speaker 2: You know there's this cool fight.
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Speaker 3: Maybe a dude try to impress a babe who's into
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Speaker 3: combat sports. If someone has, you know, a basic cable,
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Speaker 3: they just turn on ESPN on Friday or Saturday, right
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Speaker 3: or and then the people who like sports and don't
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Speaker 3: watch boxing, they probably have ESPN Plus anyway.
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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, But also think it like this. Everything is
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Speaker 2: going towards streaming. That's just how it is. But the
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Speaker 2: best way of item grows or it gets legs it
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Speaker 2: is when it's on the regular TV, like we grew
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Speaker 2: up with boxing being on CBS and ABC. When you know,
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Speaker 2: that's how and eventually ESPN and then pay per view.
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Speaker 2: These young kids know nothing about that. The younger generation
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Speaker 2: has no idea about that. Their biggest thing was when
16:31
Speaker 2: when they took over for PBC, they start putting things
16:35
Speaker 2: on Fox and CBO. They did that for a while.
16:39
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily giving them money they thought it was,
16:41
Speaker 2: and they were paying the fighters way too much, so
16:43
Speaker 2: they didn't quite last. But that would be the ideal situation.
16:47
Speaker 2: Going to streaming is tough because you gotta really if
16:50
Speaker 2: you really want to watch something, you'll find it. So
16:52
Speaker 2: streaming is cool, but you really x out a lot
16:55
Speaker 2: of people that are casual people because they're not going
16:57
Speaker 2: to go to an extra mile to view something you told.
17:00
Speaker 3: Like I said a couple of the people that I
17:02
Speaker 3: mentioned in those last two categories, you have to download
17:04
Speaker 3: a whole less other app to watch a fight. They're done,
17:06
Speaker 3: they're done listening. And Plus, another thing we've said before
17:11
Speaker 3: is not a lot of fights really permeate the zeitgeist,
17:15
Speaker 3: the public consciousness. You know, it's gonna be Paul Logan
17:18
Speaker 3: and his clown brother. It's going to be you know,
17:20
Speaker 3: Deontay Wilder Fury three, that was everywhere. But if someone
17:24
Speaker 3: he's like, wow, there's so many people talking about Fury
17:27
Speaker 3: Wildther three, I should check it out. Oh eighty dollars
17:29
Speaker 3: pay per view. Fought that right, you know which? Fine,
17:31
Speaker 3: you know it's only very few people are going to
17:33
Speaker 3: do something like that. But if they're curious about the
17:36
Speaker 3: sport and yeah, you just turn to flip a channel,
17:38
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna it might make the world of
17:42
Speaker 3: boxing less accessible. And I don't know, I don't know
17:46
Speaker 3: if you think maybe that it's not gonna matter that
17:49
Speaker 3: much for the fandom that it has for it to grow.
17:52
Speaker 3: It hasn't been growing that much anyway, so what does
17:54
Speaker 3: it matter. I don't know, I mean, is the sport
17:57
Speaker 3: going to be in trouble if it becomes harder and
17:59
Speaker 3: hard en iof I in the future.
18:01
Speaker 2: So here's the situation a sports that we're gonna be
18:05
Speaker 2: in trouble. We've been talking about boxing is dead for
18:07
Speaker 2: thirty years now, so we're not true. We're not going
18:10
Speaker 2: to go there through it will be fine. The issue
18:12
Speaker 2: is this, we need more transcendent boxers, not just guys
18:16
Speaker 2: that go viral because they're dumb. We need guys to
18:19
Speaker 2: be good and be viral and be good like if
18:22
Speaker 2: Tank Davis was had a better personality and could be marketable,
18:28
Speaker 2: that would be better. But those things aren't available at
18:30
Speaker 2: this time. So here we are. If Devin Haney can
18:33
Speaker 2: actually fight with the way he looks, we would be
18:36
Speaker 2: in a better shape. But that's not the case. We
18:39
Speaker 2: need more guys that the public knows off of name
18:42
Speaker 2: and what they do, not naming what they've done off
18:45
Speaker 2: the ring or outside of the ring, or what their
18:47
Speaker 2: parent has done. We need more people to be like, oh,
18:50
Speaker 2: that's Devin Haney, he's undefeated, blah blah blah, he's really
18:52
Speaker 2: good at boxing, he's twenty whatever, he looks good, etc.
18:56
Speaker 2: We need that. And it's funny because we watched a
18:58
Speaker 2: movie that we're gonna coverlater on where one of the
19:01
Speaker 2: boxers in that movie had that look that transcended to
19:05
Speaker 2: all parts, you know. So it's funny how boxing was
19:10
Speaker 2: thirty forty years ago when you had an athlete that
19:12
Speaker 2: people knew. Now the average person doesn't know the athletes.
19:16
Speaker 2: And a big part of it is how the how
19:18
Speaker 2: the sport is covered and how it's marketed well.
19:22
Speaker 3: And I think to the issues that everybody A lot
19:26
Speaker 3: of fans have been said saying that, you know, well,
19:28
Speaker 3: if everything is on the don because the Zone owns
19:29
Speaker 3: a bunch of other promoters, like they own Matchhrow Boxing,
19:33
Speaker 3: they have Goldenboy Promotions. They think if everybody's going to
19:37
Speaker 3: be on the Zone, it's going to be easier to
19:39
Speaker 3: make big fights and everybody's gonna I I think people
19:42
Speaker 3: think that this is something that it's not. Sean Porter
19:45
Speaker 3: actually made a very good point when he was talking
19:47
Speaker 3: about this. They said, oh, everybody's under the same umbrella.
19:50
Speaker 3: He said, there's a difference between being under the same
19:53
Speaker 3: umbrella and the same platform versus the same platform, And
19:57
Speaker 3: this is what this is. Being under the same umbrella
19:59
Speaker 3: means Top Rank buys all these other promoters and they
20:02
Speaker 3: own it. Like speaking of ESPN, they're own by Disney,
20:05
Speaker 3: so is Fox, so is ABC. They're under the same umbrella.
20:08
Speaker 3: If Top Brank goes to the Zone, that just means
20:10
Speaker 3: they'll be on the same platform with other promoters. Yeah,
20:13
Speaker 3: they can work together, but that doesn't mean that they will.
20:16
Speaker 3: That they'll collaborate. Might be a little easier because they
20:18
Speaker 3: don't have to negotiate where these fights are streaming. But
20:21
Speaker 3: I don't see that this is going to be the
20:23
Speaker 3: golden era of like all the best fighters are gonna
20:25
Speaker 3: fight everybody because they're all on the zone.
20:27
Speaker 2: Honestly, my biggest thing is how is it marketing? Right?
20:31
Speaker 2: Like the fights being wherever is fine because they're marketing well,
20:33
Speaker 2: people will go anywhere to watch. How are they marketing?
20:36
Speaker 2: How are they cross marketed? And are they going to
20:38
Speaker 2: be on podcasts? Am I gonna get as when I'm
20:40
Speaker 2: listening something totally different and then it pops up on
20:43
Speaker 2: a podcast, as it's gonna be on radio? Is it
20:45
Speaker 2: gonna be on sporting events? On TV? It's gonna be
20:47
Speaker 2: on side? Those are my questions. How are they gonna
20:49
Speaker 2: be marketed because the one thing ESPN, Fox, et cetera
20:54
Speaker 2: do well is they market the fights when you're watching
20:57
Speaker 2: something else. So there's a basketball game on, you get
20:59
Speaker 2: the you know, the pre pre marketing situation saying hey
21:03
Speaker 2: check out this Saturday, such and such takes on such
21:05
Speaker 2: and such for the WBC. Those are things that are
21:08
Speaker 2: needed when it comes to boxing. You got to do
21:10
Speaker 2: that because casual fans will tune in if they know,
21:12
Speaker 2: but if they don't know, they're not going to tune in.
21:14
Speaker 2: So those are things that I look forward to, Like,
21:17
Speaker 2: how's it going to be marketing? Or you're going to
21:19
Speaker 2: change the ways of marketing if be'cially, if you do stream,
21:22
Speaker 2: you gotta do a lot more directly to consumer're not necessarily
21:24
Speaker 2: a broad thing. So you may have things that go
21:26
Speaker 2: to someone's phone. You may have something where a banner
21:29
Speaker 2: comes down someone's phone every other day talking about, hey,
21:31
Speaker 2: don't forget this fine on this night. You know. So
21:33
Speaker 2: those are things I'm more worried about, is how's it
21:36
Speaker 2: going to be marketed to the part to the people,
21:39
Speaker 2: not necessarily where they're gonna be located at.
21:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see. I'm not optimistic that they're going
21:45
Speaker 3: to do a lot of great marketing for you know,
21:47
Speaker 3: so probably should have started this. But The Zone is
21:51
Speaker 3: a British app. They do broadcast number two hundred countries.
21:55
Speaker 3: Let's see, they got about two million subscribe twenty million subscribers,
21:58
Speaker 3: my bad. They're worth about three million British queenie books.
22:02
Speaker 3: And it's a popular app, but I don't know of
22:06
Speaker 3: a lot of people like I think it's biggest claim
22:07
Speaker 3: to fame is that it shows the NFL in in England,
22:10
Speaker 3: you know, and then they promote Canelo, you know, and
22:14
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But I'll give a very very personal,
22:19
Speaker 3: just anecdotal situation. So I was in London twenty twenty
22:23
Speaker 3: two and that weekend where it was Dmitri Povile versus
22:27
Speaker 3: Zordla Ramirez and I go to a footy pub my
22:30
Speaker 3: first night and I'm talking to the bartenders and I said, hey,
22:32
Speaker 3: you know this is closest sports pub to my to
22:34
Speaker 3: where I'm staying. Or do you all play boxing? Here's yeah,
22:37
Speaker 3: yeah absolutely. It's like, oh is this fight on Saturday?
22:40
Speaker 3: If I come back? You know, do you guys know
22:41
Speaker 3: if you're playing it? Bartender? Really cool guy, says, Oh,
22:44
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, might you know, you just tell
22:45
Speaker 3: the bartender that it's on. We'll put it on one
22:47
Speaker 3: of the queens for you, all right, come back. The
22:49
Speaker 3: guy was like, oh, is it on Sky Sports? I'm like, no,
22:52
Speaker 3: it's on the Zone. And he's like, what is that.
22:55
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's it's your guys, Like these are your guys,
22:57
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? What is that? So
22:59
Speaker 3: I told him, I said, it's it's this fighter, this Fighter.
23:02
Speaker 3: It's in Saudi Arabia. It's about now. And he's like, na, man,
23:04
Speaker 3: if it's not on sky Sports, I don't, we don't,
23:06
Speaker 3: we can't put it on. So I was actually surprised,
23:09
Speaker 3: you know, being an ignorant American abroad, I'm like, you
23:12
Speaker 3: all know fucking this the Zone app, it's got the
23:14
Speaker 3: dumb name, it's got all your it's all your guys,
23:16
Speaker 3: So like, why why didn't a sports club in London
23:21
Speaker 3: know about it? So very anecdotal, like I said, but
23:24
Speaker 3: that's even worse. If I'm here at a you know,
23:26
Speaker 3: at a Buffalo Wild Wings talking to somebody about a
23:28
Speaker 3: match on Saturday on the Zone.
23:30
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right right? Right? I don't know.
23:33
Speaker 3: It's kind I kind of worry about that promotion and
23:36
Speaker 3: how well people know it and if they're already streaming
23:39
Speaker 3: in two hundred countries and they have because they don't
23:41
Speaker 3: just have combat sports, they have a lot of different
23:43
Speaker 3: kinds of sports. So how much are they really really
23:46
Speaker 3: gonna focus on boxing going forward? Like I said, I'm
23:49
Speaker 3: not very optimistic.
23:50
Speaker 2: I don't know.
23:50
Speaker 3: I don't know. If you feel maybe there is a
23:52
Speaker 3: chance there's hope.
23:54
Speaker 2: You tell me, I gotta see who's in charge of
23:56
Speaker 2: the operation. That would tell me a lot and what
23:58
Speaker 2: their experience is, right, because if they have boxing experience,
24:02
Speaker 2: i'd be cool. But if you're telling me somebody from
24:03
Speaker 2: tennis or golf or whatever is running the show, then
24:07
Speaker 2: it's gonna be rough, and then the marketing is gonna
24:09
Speaker 2: be weird, like and I would wouldn't have that much hope.
24:11
Speaker 2: But we'll see, We'll definitely see. Yeah.
24:15
Speaker 3: I mean, I think another sort of like mark against
24:19
Speaker 3: them is that I don't think you and I knew
24:21
Speaker 3: how to pronounce the name of the app for a
24:22
Speaker 3: long time, even though we watch boxing on you know,
24:26
Speaker 3: boxing matches they broadcast.
24:27
Speaker 2: So absolutely absolutely yeah.
24:30
Speaker 3: But we'll see I mean figures crossed. I uh, I
24:33
Speaker 3: of course will watch boxing wherever it goes. But I'm
24:37
Speaker 3: you know, the part of doing the show too is
24:38
Speaker 3: kind of spread the word, trying to get some a
24:40
Speaker 3: couple of folks to check out a match whenever they can.
24:43
Speaker 3: And I think this is gonna make my personal job harder.
24:46
Speaker 3: So I don't know, but maybe we'll get some amazing
24:48
Speaker 3: fights that everybody's gonna hear about. And we.
24:52
Speaker 2: Will always, no matter what channel things are wrong, will
24:54
Speaker 2: always get amazing fights.
24:56
Speaker 3: The thing that's got to happen is the Monday afterwards,
24:59
Speaker 3: you go to work, you go somewhere, you go to
25:01
Speaker 3: the gym, and you're like, did you see the Canili
25:02
Speaker 3: fight from over the weekend. That's what's got to continue
25:04
Speaker 3: happening kind of a thing. So yeah, but yeah, like
25:08
Speaker 3: I said, we're in the area of streaming, and uh,
25:11
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure we're here, but by physical media,
25:14
Speaker 3: folks buy movies and TV shows on disc. This is
25:16
Speaker 3: my personal gospel here ownership forever. Don't let streaming service
25:20
Speaker 3: possibly take it from you. We've basically lost the battle.
25:24
Speaker 3: But there are things on streaming that are here one
25:26
Speaker 3: day and gone the next. And even there are stories
25:29
Speaker 3: when people buy movies and TV shows on like Amazon
25:31
Speaker 3: Prime and some sort of contract gets you know, canceled,
25:36
Speaker 3: lost or whatever, and now that shit has gone even
25:38
Speaker 3: though you paid for it. So I'm a big supporter
25:40
Speaker 3: of physical media, both in movies, TV shows and newdi mags,
25:44
Speaker 3: as we already spoke about as Wow. All right, Next
25:50
Speaker 3: up our recurring segment called pop Pugilism, where we discuss
25:53
Speaker 3: the movie your TV show related to boxing. Today we're
25:55
Speaker 3: talking about Hens of Stone from twenty sixteen rated R
25:59
Speaker 3: for language violence, Titties. Directed by Jonathan Jikubuwicks. It stars
26:03
Speaker 3: Edgar Amirez, Robert de Niro, Added Armis, and Usher Raymond
26:06
Speaker 3: Fourth who yes is the singer Usher, which I didn't
26:09
Speaker 3: know before I watched the movie. By the way, that
26:11
Speaker 3: was his real name. So the movie is a biopic
26:14
Speaker 3: about Roberto Duran. Before we get into the movie, I
26:16
Speaker 3: just want to give some quick facts about him. Roberto
26:19
Speaker 3: Duran boxer from Panama, born in nineteen fifty one. He
26:22
Speaker 3: was most active in the seventies and eighties, but this
26:24
Speaker 3: guy kept boxing until two thousand and one. Yep, his
26:27
Speaker 3: nickname was Manos de Piada which means hens of stone
26:29
Speaker 3: because he was a very heavy hitter, but he also
26:32
Speaker 3: had excellent defense. But the poor bastard is still to
26:35
Speaker 3: this date most well known for a second fight in
26:38
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty against Sugar Ray Leonard, where he gave up
26:40
Speaker 3: in round eight and supposedly, supposedly there are conflicting stories,
26:45
Speaker 3: Duran said, Nomas Nomas, which means no more.
26:48
Speaker 2: So we'll talk a little bit.
26:49
Speaker 3: More about that fight in a second, but first I
26:50
Speaker 3: want to ask Jamison, what did you think of the movie?
26:53
Speaker 2: Good movie, like really good movie for what it was.
26:55
Speaker 2: It was very good. I remember when I first came out,
26:58
Speaker 2: but then like rewatch it again. It was cool, like
27:01
Speaker 2: it did a very good job of telling the story
27:06
Speaker 2: and like from the beginning and then the gradualness out
27:10
Speaker 2: of where you wound up bad and I enjoyed that.
27:13
Speaker 2: But like most boxers to that air, they grow poor.
27:17
Speaker 2: Like boxing is not a it's not an elite sport.
27:21
Speaker 2: It's the sport you get into because you ain't got
27:22
Speaker 2: to know the choice, and when you're in a third
27:24
Speaker 2: world country, you definitely don't have another choice. So it's
27:27
Speaker 2: still a Mango is the Fetus family man and as
27:30
Speaker 2: a as a kid and going from there getting in
27:34
Speaker 2: trouble and got good hands, ran to somebody that could
27:37
Speaker 2: utilize him and can figure out how to make the
27:40
Speaker 2: best of a situation. The next thing you know, he's
27:43
Speaker 2: boxing early and whopoping ass and taking names. And it
27:46
Speaker 2: was just very fascinating how the whole thing and they
27:48
Speaker 2: got personality right. There's a lot of little things that
27:51
Speaker 2: were really good. It was very detailed, it was very organized.
27:54
Speaker 2: I appreciated the thoroughness of the movie. That makes sense.
27:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I did enjoy it. I'm maybe a little
28:01
Speaker 3: less hot on it than you are, you know, I
28:04
Speaker 3: think I think the first half was a lot better
28:06
Speaker 3: than the second. I did like that they started off
28:08
Speaker 3: in Panama, showed the stripes that he grew up in,
28:12
Speaker 3: and kind of informed him as an adult. It is
28:15
Speaker 3: very formulaic, like a lot of sports movies are. But
28:18
Speaker 3: now that we've been watching a bunch of boxing movies,
28:20
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I see it is plug and play.
28:22
Speaker 3: It is like kind of a one size fits all script,
28:26
Speaker 3: and it's like it's fine, you know, it's a little
28:29
Speaker 3: it's hard. And that's why I really like the Clear
28:30
Speaker 3: the Shields movie. Because it did do something a little
28:32
Speaker 3: different and showed what happened after the match, and that
28:35
Speaker 3: was kind of the crux of the story. But but
28:38
Speaker 3: you know, the movie was good. It was I didn't
28:40
Speaker 3: think it was bad. I didn't hate it. John Deturo
28:43
Speaker 3: was in it for a little bit. He's always welcome, Yeah,
28:45
Speaker 3: he he was a mob guy. Robert de Niro I
28:49
Speaker 3: thought was a little little flat, just a little coasting
28:51
Speaker 3: in his older age, you know, just kind of yeah, yeah,
28:54
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's cashing a paycheck, he's still doing it.
28:59
Speaker 3: Good for him. But it was really anything like, holy
29:01
Speaker 3: shit to Nero's in this movie, this is awesome. They
29:05
Speaker 3: did a whole thing in the middle where apparently his
29:08
Speaker 3: his like a strange daughter came in the picture out
29:10
Speaker 3: of nowhere, and you're sup, it didn't really fit in anything.
29:13
Speaker 3: It's like, what movie am I watching now? Is it
29:15
Speaker 3: the Nero story? Like, that's not it's not this guy's movie.
29:18
Speaker 3: He did have a lot as and sorry. DeNiro was
29:22
Speaker 3: Roberto Duran's trainer ray ourself, so a legendary trainer. Uh so,
29:26
Speaker 3: of course he's very involved in the movie, but they
29:29
Speaker 3: kind of didn't need to bring in his personal life. Really,
29:32
Speaker 3: I think they could have cut that out and we
29:34
Speaker 3: would have been fine. We've had a good story. But
29:37
Speaker 3: and I'll say this, I think it gives me a
29:38
Speaker 3: good sense of Roberto Duran, the guy. Maybe not a
29:43
Speaker 3: good sense of Roberto and the boxer, his legacy. You know,
29:47
Speaker 3: the fights were a little like Montagee and it does,
29:50
Speaker 3: like other boxing films, does burn through, you know, a
29:53
Speaker 3: big chunk of history for time's sake. But I don't know, I,
29:59
Speaker 3: like I said, hate it, didn't love it. I do
30:01
Speaker 3: want to talk about that sugar Ley Renard Sugar Ray
30:04
Speaker 3: Leonard fight though specifically. So yeah, say I'll say this
30:09
Speaker 3: before we get into that. The movie does definitely give
30:12
Speaker 3: Roberto Duran a lot of leeway on that. You might
30:16
Speaker 3: even say a lot of excuses. But yeah, he the
30:19
Speaker 3: thing you hear about Roberto Duran. You heard no moss again,
30:23
Speaker 3: A lot of people that don't know about boxing know
30:25
Speaker 3: that shit that he gave up and round eight. So
30:28
Speaker 3: the stories are that he just couldn't handle it. Sugar
30:31
Speaker 3: Ray Leonard was two gun on his feet, was too fast,
30:34
Speaker 3: too slick. Duran said, you know, he had to lose
30:37
Speaker 3: a lot of weight, but a short period. He wasn't
30:40
Speaker 3: feeling well. He wasn't he was unhappy that Sugar Ray
30:44
Speaker 3: was too fast on his feet and wasn't actually fighting,
30:47
Speaker 3: he was dancing or whatever called the mcclown. The movie
30:50
Speaker 3: definitely was on his side on all that. It gave
30:53
Speaker 3: all of that setup. So but yeah, I mean, what
30:56
Speaker 3: do you think, jameson how it's your take on that,
30:58
Speaker 3: on that legacy of his.
31:00
Speaker 2: So it was funny because in this day and age,
31:02
Speaker 2: if a guy was sixty days out and not in shape,
31:04
Speaker 2: they would make up a random injury and give him
31:06
Speaker 2: more time. That's what I was waiting for, right because
31:09
Speaker 2: like we've always heard somebody turned an ankle, or somebody
31:12
Speaker 2: bump knees with somebody in sparring and now they're out
31:14
Speaker 2: two months whatever whatever. That When you have an experienced
31:18
Speaker 2: promotional company, that's where it's supposed to step in, like, hey,
31:21
Speaker 2: I know we agreed to a deal, but he got hurt.
31:24
Speaker 2: You buy more time to get in shape. You're rushing
31:26
Speaker 2: a guy that is not mentally there. It was doomed
31:31
Speaker 2: for disaster. So this did take place, and it happens.
31:35
Speaker 2: I also think that we forget the athletes are people too, Like,
31:38
Speaker 2: I think that's something we all forget, right, Like athletes
31:42
Speaker 2: are humans and if something's not right, it ain't right
31:44
Speaker 2: and if nothing you can do about that. This situation,
31:47
Speaker 2: unfortunately one he was losing the fight. Even on the
31:51
Speaker 2: actual scorecard if you go back, he was down all
31:53
Speaker 2: not significantly, but he was down like he was losing.
31:56
Speaker 2: I think it was like eighty six or eighty five
31:58
Speaker 2: or something like that. It wasn't like anything crazy, but
32:00
Speaker 2: it was, you know, it was enough to wear he
32:03
Speaker 2: was down. But also, here's the thing. Boxing is something
32:06
Speaker 2: you can't fake. You can't be halfway in. You can't
32:10
Speaker 2: be kind of pregnant. You either all in or you
32:12
Speaker 2: all out. And once you get to a point of
32:15
Speaker 2: being all out, that's what happens. Now You're also facing
32:18
Speaker 2: a Hall of fame opponent who's very athletic and motivated
32:22
Speaker 2: at that. So all those things, it's like, yeah, and
32:26
Speaker 2: you're out of shape, Like you're out of shape and
32:28
Speaker 2: you gotta do something that requires you to be in shape.
32:31
Speaker 2: Not a good sign. In adversity, his money not a
32:34
Speaker 2: good sign.
32:36
Speaker 3: I was walking the dog and the dog wanted to run.
32:37
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'll try to keep up with
32:39
Speaker 3: you while out of shape, and that fucking sucked. Imagine
32:41
Speaker 3: being in a ring with Sugar Ray Leonard for fifteen downds.
32:44
Speaker 3: My god, No, yeah, I actually have you watched the
32:48
Speaker 3: actual match like on YouTube? Yes, yeah, I watched it
32:51
Speaker 3: too before this, And yeah, I mean you could tell
32:54
Speaker 3: Sugar Ray Leonard was out boxing Duran like he was
32:57
Speaker 3: too fast on his feet, and it could be this
32:59
Speaker 3: whole like old school of like, well he's dancing and
33:02
Speaker 3: the coop here to fight. Now, man, that's part of
33:04
Speaker 3: it too. Footwork is very important part of it being
33:06
Speaker 3: a boxer, and if you can't keep up with it,
33:08
Speaker 3: you can't keep up with it, you know. Don't don't
33:09
Speaker 3: say that he's like bad at boxing or not boxing
33:13
Speaker 3: because he's you know, light on his feet, you know,
33:15
Speaker 3: and so the reason you jump rope passhole. So but
33:18
Speaker 3: but yeah, he did say Robert orand did say that.
33:20
Speaker 3: He never actually said the words nomas. He said he
33:25
Speaker 3: was sitting no siego, no sigo, which means I won't
33:27
Speaker 3: go on. That could be a technicality. I just think
33:30
Speaker 3: if it's true that he never said it, it sucks
33:32
Speaker 3: that that's what you're known for. They even call it
33:35
Speaker 3: the Nomas fight, so that I think that kind of sucks.
33:38
Speaker 2: Rap songs Jay Z said it like twenty five years ago.
33:42
Speaker 2: It's just one of those things where it's known and
33:45
Speaker 2: he's known as the guy as that, and it's never
33:47
Speaker 2: good since boxing is such a tough sport. When you're
33:50
Speaker 2: known as a guy that did something untough, it's not
33:53
Speaker 2: a good thing.
33:55
Speaker 3: Lasila Macheko from Ukraine they say that when he was
33:58
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was an amateur in this
33:59
Speaker 3: early pro career, but they called him no Maschenko because
34:02
Speaker 3: he beat his beat. His opponents asked so bad they
34:06
Speaker 3: all gave up, so he got the dick same based
34:09
Speaker 3: on this thing.
34:09
Speaker 2: So that's a little different. That's dope though, that's a
34:12
Speaker 2: little different.
34:13
Speaker 3: True, true, Okay, I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
34:15
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it sucks for Duran that like that's
34:18
Speaker 3: what you're known for, even especially if you never it
34:20
Speaker 3: was true, you never said it.
34:20
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
34:21
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, the movie did give him
34:23
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of leeway on it, and
34:26
Speaker 3: we'll never really know the truth. But if if I
34:29
Speaker 3: were to put my money on something, it was that
34:31
Speaker 3: he just couldn't handle Sugary Len because I did read
34:35
Speaker 3: that after the first fight, Sugar Ray was like on him,
34:40
Speaker 3: he was flat footed. He took those fights and I
34:42
Speaker 3: saw some highlights on that. He took some fucking bombs.
34:45
Speaker 3: He handled some of those, uh Duran bombs so well.
34:49
Speaker 3: But in the second one he changed up his strategy,
34:51
Speaker 3: so Duran wasn't ready for it. That's what I think.
34:54
Speaker 3: I mean, still an amazing boxer at the time, you know,
34:56
Speaker 3: probably one of the best in the world, and them
34:59
Speaker 3: was the man you know, Uh, question for you because
35:03
Speaker 3: we are the Mixed Company podcast. So Duran, you know,
35:07
Speaker 3: amazing fighter from Panama, seemed to be unbeatable. What is
35:13
Speaker 3: the sort of the legacy in the black community of
35:15
Speaker 3: after he lust or was it like we got that motherfucker,
35:18
Speaker 3: We got his ass.
35:18
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, no no doubt about it. Like that's especially
35:23
Speaker 2: with that kind of fight, Absolutely no no doubt about it.
35:26
Speaker 2: Plus it's also Sugarye is one of ours, like that's
35:30
Speaker 2: us and he's on TV. He's at that time, Remember
35:33
Speaker 2: he was covered differently. He was kind of like the
35:34
Speaker 2: Golden Boy, you know. Uh, he had the look, he
35:38
Speaker 2: had the style, he had the you know, the record.
35:41
Speaker 2: He fought everybody as well too, So he was the guy.
35:44
Speaker 2: He's the guy that the women knew. He was the
35:46
Speaker 2: guy that the the the person who doesn't necessarily follow boxing.
35:50
Speaker 2: They saw him, he had commercials. So it's a little
35:53
Speaker 2: bit different than maybe somebody like Tom Hearns, you know
35:57
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's a little different, you know
35:59
Speaker 2: what I mean. So that's where it's like, it's more
36:01
Speaker 2: than just a boxing fan. It's the everybody involved that one.
36:06
Speaker 2: So yeah, as a whole, most definitely gotcha.
36:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know the guys. The guy's still around,
36:13
Speaker 3: he's still alive, and he recorded some salsa albums which
36:17
Speaker 3: I listened to. Not bad, actually not bad.
36:19
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, tell me a good job with boxing,
36:23
Speaker 2: all things considered, for someone that's not an athlete, he
36:26
Speaker 2: did as well as you can expect someone to do.
36:29
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So yeah, the movie. You know, we rate these
36:32
Speaker 3: films out of four gloves.
36:34
Speaker 2: What would you say, three point two five?
36:37
Speaker 3: Three point two five, I'd go like two point seventy five.
36:39
Speaker 3: Like I said, that second half kind of it was rough.
36:42
Speaker 2: The second half was rough. I'm not gonna lie. It
36:44
Speaker 2: was wrong.
36:45
Speaker 3: Listen to I was, we completely forgot you know, Usher
36:48
Speaker 3: as Sugar Ray Leonard. What did you think about that?
36:50
Speaker 3: I was actually kind of impressed and with his portrayal
36:53
Speaker 3: of it.
36:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very good. It was very good. A
36:56
Speaker 2: lot of the I was I didn't know I just
37:00
Speaker 2: had that in him. I was very impressed with everything
37:02
Speaker 2: about it. Like we I mean, if you follow a
37:04
Speaker 2: box of course you know about Sugary Leonard and you
37:06
Speaker 2: know a lot of the things personal life, et cetera.
37:08
Speaker 2: But just the way he acted about it was like
37:11
Speaker 2: it would like a boxer would like you lose. Things happened,
37:14
Speaker 2: but I need that fight right back, make that happen
37:16
Speaker 2: right now. Like that was dope to see, Like that
37:19
Speaker 2: was really cool.
37:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was impressed.
37:21
Speaker 2: You know.
37:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're a boxer, you know Sugar
37:23
Speaker 3: Ray Leonard. If you or if you're into boxing, you
37:25
Speaker 3: know Sugar Eate Leonard. If you were alive in two
37:27
Speaker 3: thousand and four, you know Usher, because that's when, yeah,
37:29
Speaker 3: it came out and that shit was everywhere. Uh but yeah,
37:32
Speaker 3: so yeah, no, I was, I was impressed. Like I said,
37:35
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that he had it in him as
37:37
Speaker 3: you did, you know, I know he did a couple
37:38
Speaker 3: of acting roles, but what he was like in the
37:40
Speaker 3: faculty when for you know, five minutes, so I think
37:44
Speaker 3: that was the first thing he was in that was
37:45
Speaker 3: a big deal at the time. But yeah, you know,
37:48
Speaker 3: decent movie. Definitely, I'll finish off with this. If you're
37:51
Speaker 3: a fan of Ana Datamus, definitely watch this movie and
37:54
Speaker 3: I'll leave it at that. So yep, yep, all right,
37:58
Speaker 3: let's move on to the mailback section. Got another one
38:01
Speaker 3: from our our buddy here, Edwin l He's got a
38:06
Speaker 3: fun one. Are you ready for this one? Jameson? All right?
38:10
Speaker 3: Would you rather fight one heavyweight sized duck or one
38:15
Speaker 3: hundred duck sized heavyweights? Me? So, I guess you'd have
38:20
Speaker 3: to pick a heavyweight first, but like.
38:22
Speaker 2: One, I'll do one one duck anything and take my chances.
38:29
Speaker 3: But what if it's a heavyweight the size of what
38:30
Speaker 3: if it's the ducks the size of Tightson Ferior, it's
38:32
Speaker 3: like six nine.
38:33
Speaker 2: I don't want a hundred.
38:35
Speaker 3: You can't win, But is it had it's not one
38:37
Speaker 3: hundred ducks, it's a hundred dudes. Heavyweight fighters that are
38:40
Speaker 3: the size of ducks. So you're still fighting little dudes,
38:42
Speaker 3: you can.
38:43
Speaker 2: I don't want to. Yeah, I don't fight one whatever,
38:45
Speaker 2: one of whatever that weighs two and eighty or I'll
38:48
Speaker 2: pick my chances that.
38:51
Speaker 3: Well, then that was easier than I expected. I thought
38:53
Speaker 3: you were gonna be a little more.
38:54
Speaker 2: I don't want a hundred things. You can't fighting a
38:56
Speaker 2: hundred little kids. You can't win. You can't. You can't
39:00
Speaker 2: them all at once.
39:01
Speaker 3: Sure, but I'm willing to find out if that's the case.
39:03
Speaker 3: But when it comes to ducks, yeah, I guess you're right.
39:05
Speaker 3: Like a duck, here's the thing. I would pick a
39:08
Speaker 3: duck that is the size of Mike Tyson because he's
39:11
Speaker 3: like the only halfway that I can think of off the
39:13
Speaker 3: top of my head that's under six feet tall. I
39:15
Speaker 3: think he's like five ten. I'm a five nine, So
39:18
Speaker 3: you know, like duncan I'll take yeah, yeah, like one
39:21
Speaker 3: one Mike Tyson sized duck. He's weighs as much as
39:24
Speaker 3: he does. But you know, I don't know, Bob and
39:26
Speaker 3: weaves through the bill or the neck or whatever, kind
39:29
Speaker 3: of go low and try to get the neck because
39:31
Speaker 3: there's a lot of neck on that fucker. So right, Yeah,
39:33
Speaker 3: but you don't think it's easy to just kick over
39:35
Speaker 3: like one hundred.
39:36
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson's nah, no, I'll take the one. I'll take
39:39
Speaker 2: my chances.
39:40
Speaker 3: That's cool. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess. People
39:42
Speaker 3: don't really know how much one hundred things.
39:43
Speaker 2: Are, right. You can't you can't do it. It's not possible. O.
39:48
Speaker 3: Good, all right, thank you, Edwin ll that's the question
39:52
Speaker 3: I really appreciate. Really fucking stupid, but I appreciate it anyway.
39:56
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the show man that that was fun. Jamison.
39:59
Speaker 3: Where can people find you?
39:59
Speaker 2: O social media at Twitter at the Jamison always looking
40:03
Speaker 2: into talk people and have good fun there. And yeah,
40:06
Speaker 2: it's gonna be very fun.
40:07
Speaker 3: Come.
40:07
Speaker 2: We have a big year for boxing, a lot of big fights,
40:09
Speaker 2: even though they might be on different streaming networks and
40:11
Speaker 2: what now, it's gonna be a big year for boxing
40:13
Speaker 2: no matter what. Yeah.
40:14
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if you're kind of curious about some fights
40:17
Speaker 3: they're big enough and you don't want to pay for
40:19
Speaker 3: a streaming up a pay per view, you can always
40:21
Speaker 3: find a bar, you know, to a sports bar. They're
40:22
Speaker 3: playing those and that that's a lot of fun. I
40:24
Speaker 3: do that whenever I can. So you right over there.
40:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Went down with a lot
40:31
Speaker 2: of went down the wrong.
40:31
Speaker 3: Way, So you're scared of fighting those one hundred stuck
40:38
Speaker 3: with you?
40:38
Speaker 2: Okay?
40:38
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