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Oregon Senate Democrats Do the Leadership Shuffle · Crosstabs

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to Crosstabs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone, I'm your host, Reagan Canope, with my co-host, Brian Iverson.
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  SPEAKER_00: How are you, Brian?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Reagan, we need an intro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you and I, we just go, hey, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're back.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we'll have to come up with a better way of coming up with your signature,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: intro line or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree with you, Brian.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we should ask the listeners to write us.
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  SPEAKER_00: We haven't gotten a lot of fan mail yet or hate mail.
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  SPEAKER_00: Send both.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got a little bit of hate mail.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like the hate mail better than the fan mail, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's more fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like when we send text messages out for campaigns that we work on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love reading those responses that people get.
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  SPEAKER_01: Only the negative ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: The positive ones are well and good.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I love some of the negative stuff that people,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially when they say they're going to report us to the FBI.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the best.
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  SPEAKER_00: I save a few of those in my file.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll have to find them and we'll read some of the funniest ones,
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  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
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  SPEAKER_00: because people write back some entertaining stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: For our listeners,
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  SPEAKER_00: I did want to note,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can probably hear a little bit of difference in our voices because Brian,
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  SPEAKER_00: you and I have set up our professional microphones.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're really coming up in the podcasting world.
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  SPEAKER_01: The studio is getting better.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait till we actually have our own studio,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: glass studio,
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  SPEAKER_01: people walk by,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're like in a fishbowl.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll see if we can set it up inside the Capitol and have our own like
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  SPEAKER_01: fishbowl right there on the first floor by the hearing rooms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't that be great?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eventually we will sell, I think, some sponsorships on this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Brian, you and I, we can do the ad reads.
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  SPEAKER_00: It'll be really fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: That would be good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, I'm in the midst of, before we get going, we got a lot of things to go over today.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of news kind of out there in the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it's great that we get to discuss that together.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always enjoy your takes on them, and of course, I love giving my takes on them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think we have some pretty good topics we're going to cover today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do want to give,
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  SPEAKER_01: because maybe one day he'll actually listen to this,
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  SPEAKER_01: but today my oldest son is graduating from high school.
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  SPEAKER_01: So after we're done recording this crosstab studio,
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  SPEAKER_01: I am going to be driving back to the ranch,
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  SPEAKER_01: hopping in my tractor with my trailer and driving and hauling a bunch of seniors
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  SPEAKER_01: through the parade that they have this afternoon,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is kind of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then tonight he gets to walk on stage and get his diploma and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's heading off to Grand Canyon University down in Phoenix, a private school.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't send my kids to a public university.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no way that I'm going to let him get indoctrinated by the far lefties there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this was his decision, not his dad's.
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  SPEAKER_01: But tell me I was proud of him that he made it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to mention also that Vicki gets to be up on stage and shaking hands of all
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  SPEAKER_01: the graduating seniors.
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  SPEAKER_01: And normally she doesn't like to do this as the state representative because it
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  SPEAKER_01: just seems a little tacky.
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  SPEAKER_01: But this one, she was pretty special just because it's her oldest son.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she's pretty excited about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the rituals around graduation, Regan,
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really have much of a graduation party.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think my parents came to my graduation and that was about it, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: My mom and dad were, they weren't rich or had any sort of money.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were pretty poor.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know what you did for graduation.
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  SPEAKER_01: It'd be fun to hear what you say,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I gotta be,
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  SPEAKER_01: I went to the bank yesterday,
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  SPEAKER_01: Reagan,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I took out a thousand dollars in cash so I can get $50 bills to all these kids
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  SPEAKER_01: that send me their graduation cards.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think I'm out two or three grand on this deal at this point already.
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  SPEAKER_01: having a party tomorrow, like the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they give my son money, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's supposed to get money when he sends out graduation announcements and all the things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I seem to be the only one paying.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So son,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you listen to this and I need to go into the home and somebody has to pay for it,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is this plus interest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
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  SPEAKER_00: my understanding is you're supposed to put that on the final invoice that you give
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  SPEAKER_00: to your kids and they move out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm working on compiling all the expenses for my kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they've got a few years.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that's probably the national debt that we're talking about, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Start saving now, Reagan.
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  SPEAKER_00: a hundred percent and there's a few kids at our church that have graduated so we
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  SPEAKER_00: got them cards and been giving them some money and for my graduation I not
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  SPEAKER_00: everybody knows this probably if some might but I was homeschooled so all the
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  SPEAKER_00: homeschool guys in my area we got together and we did like a graduation at a local
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  SPEAKER_00: church and we did like a whole ceremony and stuff like that and
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  SPEAKER_00: My diploma is around here somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: It says Canope Preparatory Academy and signed by my parents and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cause I didn't get, I didn't actually graduate with a real degree.
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  SPEAKER_00: We didn't do like a program that was certified.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just tested into COCC and then I transferred my credits after a year or two to
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  SPEAKER_00: Chemeketa while I was working in Salem.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I have a two year degree from Chemeketa that transfers to another university if I ever want to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's what, that's what we did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was a lot of fun and yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel you've missed out on anything by being homeschooled?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
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  SPEAKER_00: I played sports,
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  SPEAKER_00: like I played baseball,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I was always able to enroll in Little League or the public high schools for sports.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would say not a ton.
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  SPEAKER_00: We also had a group that met for PE once a week, and we would play dodgeball when it was cold out.
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  SPEAKER_00: in a big gymnasium or we'd play soccer when it was nice out at the park by tumalo
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  SPEAKER_00: well not by tumalo by um pilot butte there's a park behind pilot butte that's
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  SPEAKER_00: pretty big and you can play like and we played ultimate frisbee and stuff like that
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  SPEAKER_00: so um i would say not a ton but i also while i was in high school basically or
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  SPEAKER_00: right after i graduated high school went to
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  SPEAKER_00: Salem and learned how to socialize and talk on the phone from just working in the front of the office.
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  SPEAKER_00: I probably did miss out on something, but I don't know it, so it doesn't really bother me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I never sat in a school bus.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing I never did that I haven't experienced.
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  SPEAKER_00: I never got to sit in a big yellow school bus, but
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  SPEAKER_00: I still feel really blessed and privileged for all that I did learn.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think I got maybe a non-standard education, but I'm also a unique non-standard person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think more non-standard education would be good for people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think...
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  SPEAKER_00: We're doing a lot of one size fits all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've just found that I was on a school board, a charter school board in Medford when I was there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they had a unique hybrid system where it's one day in class with kids and then at home.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they'd send the teachers out your home once a week, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of hands on education.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was really successful.
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  SPEAKER_00: We always had a high 90 percent graduation rates and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we need more experimentation in education.
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  SPEAKER_00: We need less of the one size fits all systems.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I would agree 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to touch on the PDX, Portland Teachers Unions for Palestine, a little later in the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think less going to school might be good for a lot of kids out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: More learning, less in school is what I would say.
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  SPEAKER_01: My kids...
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, I feel very strong.
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  SPEAKER_01: They they've got a,
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  SPEAKER_01: Alex has a couple of really good friends that were both homeschooled,
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  SPEAKER_01: both very good athletes too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they would come and do the, the sports and both my boys play a lot of sports and everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like the only thing they probably miss is the,
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  SPEAKER_01: the social aspect of right of going to school,
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  SPEAKER_01: like being in the high school,
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  SPEAKER_01: but everything else,
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  SPEAKER_01: it seems like they were around.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were part of the things, heck one of them, Eddie free off.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's going to be suiting it up and,
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's playing for the Beavers this fall in football.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's an incredible athlete.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think his mom, he's an adopted African kid.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they adopted all of him and his brothers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they were all homeschooled.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's got some...
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  SPEAKER_01: They have some real kids and adopted kids,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I think she runs a school of like nine or 10 kids in that homeschool thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the smartest people I know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he's going to be an incredible student athlete at Oregon State University.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do think that there is something to our schools and what value that brings.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think that you can still be a quality young person
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  SPEAKER_01: regardless of whether you go to public school or private school,
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  SPEAKER_01: I do believe at the end of the day,
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  SPEAKER_01: parents matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: it's the core values they teach their kids, Brian.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's that I think we don't have a lot of shared societal values.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now those are kind of divided into two camps and that's been damaging for our country and for our state.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we need more of those shared values to really make that work better and,
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  SPEAKER_00: and encourage our kids and build them into,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: contributing to society.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's, that's the thing I care about the most when I think about is like,
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  SPEAKER_00: I want my kids to contribute.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want them to be a drain on society.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want them to be a scourge of society.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: that's why I do what I do in terms of raising my kids and teaching them right from
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  SPEAKER_00: wrong and going to church and all that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very good point.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're raising them on the, on the Reagan, the Reagan ranch too, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, we'll, we'll,
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  SPEAKER_01: those sort of values that they're going to learn every day are going to be pretty important,
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  SPEAKER_01: even though you're,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: you have a ranchette out there and I have a real ranch,
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  SPEAKER_01: but we can always talk about size later on ranches.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to discuss that because it really is a,
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  SPEAKER_01: a rule of thumb of what you can call a ranch.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we'll talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I agree with you, Brian.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just,
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  SPEAKER_00: I call mine the,
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  SPEAKER_00: I always refer to mine as the Yellowstone,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Albany Yellowstone,
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  SPEAKER_00: which really,
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  SPEAKER_00: really gives people a different idea on size,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's really 4.2 acres.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think yours is just a touch more than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just cleaning out
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  SPEAKER_00: The horse stalls.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went riding this morning,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is,
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  SPEAKER_00: by the way,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you can tell that I sound congested,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's because I have horrible allergies,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I power through anyway because it's still good for me to be outside despite the
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  SPEAKER_00: damage it does to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's not permanent, so I power through.
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  SPEAKER_00: But one of the things I was thinking about, Brian, is it is the end of the first week of June.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking about campaigning.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just had the May primary and a lot of candidates and a lot of political
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  SPEAKER_00: consultants in that they're trying to figure out how to arrange their calendars and
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  SPEAKER_00: what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I just wanted to ask you,
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  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
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  SPEAKER_00: you've been through a lot of campaigns,
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of different kinds of campaigns.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm guessing you've worked on stuff from Congress all the way down to school board.
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  SPEAKER_00: What,
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  SPEAKER_00: what are you supposed to be doing in the summer months and what should you not do
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  SPEAKER_00: in the summer months in terms of the,
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  SPEAKER_00: of the campaigns?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it kind of depends, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you're,
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  SPEAKER_01: I worked on a couple of governor races as well,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: they,
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  SPEAKER_01: they have a different,
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  SPEAKER_01: different thought process in there,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I always say,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the summer comes down to two things,
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  SPEAKER_01: raise money,
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  SPEAKER_01: talk to voters.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's really nothing else you do in the summer,
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  SPEAKER_01: except for that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I have a candidate now that he was just,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to,
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to run some banner ads and do this and that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, no, nobody's going to run one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nobody knows you and nobody cares.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I hammer that to so many people all the time that nobody knows you and nobody cares.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's because they don't, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially during the summer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so your job is to go out and hit doors, go door to door and do as many campaign events as possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: I believe that in raising money, meaning like,
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  SPEAKER_01: every $100 check at a time, and every $200 check, small little campaign coffees, all those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the grind time.
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  SPEAKER_01: The next three months is grind time.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is where the difference between winners and losers is made, is during this time over the summer.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are you going to do?
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  SPEAKER_01: How many events are you going to hit?
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  SPEAKER_01: How many doors are you going to hit?
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  SPEAKER_01: How many
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  SPEAKER_01: campaign events are you going to have at people's front yards backyards coffee
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  SPEAKER_01: shops to raise three four five hundred bucks at a time i don't care if you're
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  SPEAKER_01: running for city council county commissioner state senate or what have you now
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  SPEAKER_01: statewide those guys are going to be working more on you know getting around the
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  SPEAKER_01: state right but it's really just more a macro level versus a micro level in a
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  SPEAKER_01: district but these i think there's a
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to like, oh, let's go, let's go, let's get these voters.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reality is,
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  SPEAKER_01: is when you're down ballot races,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's very hard to garner the attention of a mass electorate until you get really
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  SPEAKER_01: close to election time when people are paying attention.
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  SPEAKER_01: So stay focused.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I bet the Democrats say the same thing to their candidates, man, in these targeted races.
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  SPEAKER_01: Raise money, talk to voters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Raise money, talk to voters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like that's all you can do and that's all you should do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything else is just noise and a waste of money.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: too,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you think about your campaign budget and just as you would in a primary,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you've got a contested primary,
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  SPEAKER_00: you and you'll see this,
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  SPEAKER_00: you'll watch this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lori Chavez,
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  SPEAKER_00: Dreamer and Salinas and whoever's in these contested races,
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  SPEAKER_00: the fourth,
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  SPEAKER_00: they are going to bank money over the summer and they're going to try to keep their
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  SPEAKER_00: spend as low as possible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because they need cash for the three weeks of voting that we have in Oregon to
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  SPEAKER_00: really blanket the airways and fill up mailboxes and fill up inboxes,
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: And if you burn that cash in the summer...
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: you may not have it there when you need it in the fall.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the mistake I think a lot of candidates will make is they will say,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: I need to be in a position to have my polling look good in August because you're
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: going to have the caucuses and the NRCCs and the Senate leadership funds polling in
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: August and September.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the lobby will pull too.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, well, if I don't spend now, I'm not going to have my name ID where it is.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: But guess what?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: That mailer and that stuff that you're sending out
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: is name ID that gets erased or forgotten faster than being at events,
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: door knocking,
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: making phone calls,
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Texting, I think, is the one is cheapest enough where I'd allow it during the summer.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you're trying to get a message through,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: you're trying to get a hey,
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working on this to try to define yourself as a candidate.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's OK.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're burning cash in the summer,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: people are going to be confused why you're broke in the fall when you had three
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: months to fundraise June,
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: July,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: August,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: right?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so don't be caught dead without money in September and October when you really
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: actually need to spend it in October and November.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I would agree, especially microtexting isn't a bad thing.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that all goes to talking to voters, right?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: When you're going door to door in a neighborhood and you want to text those voters
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: and let them know you're in their neighborhood,
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: door knocking,
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I hope I get a chance to meet you.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Those sort of things are great, right?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Those are just good field strategies that...
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: whether you are Lori Chavez Dreamer or your state rep candidate,
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: city council candidate,
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: they're deploying those same tactics.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that is really good to do on that micro level.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: The caucuses on their level,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: like you said,
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: if you raise,
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: say,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: $100,000 you have in the bank or $75,000 and you show up after Labor Day and you
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: have like 1,200 bucks,
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: and they're going to be like,
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: what happened?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: we did a mailer back in July or we sponsored the county fair for a bunch of money
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: or some kind of...
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: I would just say silly expense.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: it should be you should raise enough money that you can pay for your operations,
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: which is your people.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Pay for that sort of stuff and then try to keep those other expenses at a minimum.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at a bare minimum as you can.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, be frugal.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Keep those dollars because when it comes down to.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: people that want to support you and people that want to help you when really you
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: need them to show up in September,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: you can say,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hey,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: I got 30 grand on hand and I got,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: 50 and you never know when that money's going to dry up.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the more that you have going into October in the bank,
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: the more likely your chance of being success is.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't care if it is a city council race or, you know, a local County commissioner race.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have, uh,
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: The other person has zero dollars in October and you're sitting on 10 grand and
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: you're a county commissioner.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Chances are you're going to be able to move that needle five or seven points while they're doing nothing.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it does.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's all varying degrees.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, take Lori Chavez Dreamers race, which will collectively probably spend 20 million dollars.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: that's probably not going to matter as much, but they also have a huge, huge organization.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: So the difference for them is like, Oh, are they spending 5 million in October?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Are they spending 3 million?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where money does make a difference.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's just relative.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you brought up that example, Brian.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: we always appreciate people who contribute to the community and sponsor the fair,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: but let the corporations handle that because I don't remember who sponsored the
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: fair last year.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember whose logo was on the bags.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's not stuff you remember.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: And even the mail I got last week, I can't remember.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I do remember if a candidate comes through my door.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I do remember if a candidate calls me.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: And people right now are not in the make up their mind stage.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: they will not, you know, the partisans have made up their minds already.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are bought in.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You need to meet them so they know you exist.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But most of them are going to come home for November, right?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: So most people are trying to decide not if they're going to vote for you,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: but if they're not going to vote for you.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like if they hate you, if they think you suck, if they think you're weird, if they think you're whatever.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: So be out there and be normal so that you're in contention to win their vote when
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: the mail is fast and furious and the phone calls are flying and the texts are...
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: are going right you can take yourself out of contention this summer you can't win
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: the race in the summer with the swing voters they haven't made up their minds yet
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: but you can lay the groundwork to win them by knocking on doors by texting you know
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: i think if i were republicans right now i would be texting i would be figuring out
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: a way to talk to women
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: and inoculate yourself on the abortion issue that's what i would be doing right now
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: over the summer i think that that would be money that's well spent with texting and
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: phone calls and door knocking and targeted messaging because i think that's the
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: biggest you know one of the bigger problems we had we didn't message on abortion
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: very well in in 22 we need to do better on that in 24 but you also don't know if
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: the issue set could be totally different in the fall
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: So going too hard, too fast on a particular issue in the summer may not matter in the fall.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I see people waste their money.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, think about 2022, Greg.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: when I was working for the caucuses and running,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: running all the races with your dad and with Vicki and the whole team there and all
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: the state reps and senators,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: and we were looking at some polling coming out of the primary going,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: man, this is looking freaking great.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: After going through 2021 redistricting where some people left to go run for other
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: things because they thought we were a lost cause.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that we started looking at polling and the numbers were great.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then the Supreme Court decided on Roe v. Wade.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that was late June.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: And over the summer,
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: our leads or everything we had in polling that was good,
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: it just kept getting eroded further and further down the line.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it didn't matter what race.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: More so, to your point, we lost women.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: They were all ready to vote for us.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: we were our messaging on crime and crime was horrible, right?
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And drugs was off the charts,
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: all the things that hasn't really gotten a whole bunch better,
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: to be honest with you on crime and drugs.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I,
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think what we,
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: what we didn't see,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: or if we were to came out and we were,
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: it would have been running and spending a bunch of money,
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: in some of those races,
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: and then abortion just comes in and knocks us over the head,
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: we would have been out of money.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I think spending money, especially as a caucus now, is dumb.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, running TV ads now is dumb.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that Republicans need to focus on raising money,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: going to doors,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: to your point,
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: women especially,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: because they're the ones that are still a little uneasy.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: moms even more so uneasy, but, but they also, we have something we didn't have before.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: We have a,
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: an incredible transgender agenda that's trying to turn,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: our kids into,
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: transsexuals and really that's just been exploded into stuff with,
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: men competing in girls sports.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we just got the illegal aliens crossing the border and,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: So those moms are nervous.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a good opportunity to really go talk to them.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: And, and then you have inflation hovering over all of it that we didn't have even a couple of years ago.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: So the more that you can go talk to those people as a Republican candidate and say,
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: listen,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: I know you're scared and I know this,
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: that,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: and I know that,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: but,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: but believe you me,
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: nothing's going to change with abortion,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: and,
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: and especially in Oregon and,
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Roe v.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wade was already decided,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: but these other things are way more important to your day to day life and whether
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: or not,
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Republicans in Oregon could ever possibly muster up enough of a
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: majority to even overturn anything that's a constitutionally protected scenario so
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: the reality is it's not but the democrats sure love to punch that that ticket again
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: you know i mean i heard even i saw on twitter today i should wish i should give
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: them up but there's they were saying that late-term abortion is a hoax put on by
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: republicans like it doesn't happen and i was like
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think they have stats on that stuff.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: They have to track it.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: They collected them during the Trump administration.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: They don't track it as closely or publish the results as easy to understand because
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: they know it undermines their position.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: And the ultimate tell is that they'll never support a ban on it.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: They say, oh, well, we can't ban it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's like if it never happens, then what's the loss for banning it?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the tell.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: One of the issues I think, Brian, that is always...
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: salient but that republicans really struggle on is education and i think you know
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: you and i've been talking about this over the last week i think education is an
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: issue where republican pick up a lot of ground we saw that especially during covid
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: when teachers unions and far-left democrats wanted to close schools and kept
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: schools closed longer than any other state in the country and
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: And in Albany and Crook County and other places, there was takeovers of school boards.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And Brian, in Albany, we ran on three words, keep schools open.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we ran on 100 percent.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we dominated.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm guessing similar stuff happened for you.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: But so I'm thinking about what are the education issues that are going to be salient?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And there's some headlines out there right now.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: that are really causing some consternation among parents.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't want people to misunderstand this.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about,
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: we'll link this Oregonian article,
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Portland Teachers Union links to lessons urging students to pray to Allah,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: write Biden to stop funding Israel.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Brian, I'll tell you, I didn't think prayer was ever coming back to schools, but apparently it is.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: But now we're going to teach kids to pray to Allah instead of God, which is interesting to me.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I just want to read you some of the stuff that's in these lesson plans.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: this isn't sanctioned by the Portland Public Schools,
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: but this is their teacher's union,
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: and they don't seem to be doing a very good job stamping this out.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: These are quote-unquote optional materials,
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: but we all know that if a teacher is far left enough,
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: they're not optional.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: They believe these are important.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: A guide for kids as young as kindergarten entitled So You Made It to a Protest
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: lists signs,
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: police,
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: ambulances,
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: tear gas,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: and shutter bombs among the things you might see.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to teach kids that they're going to get tear gassed if they go to a protest?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Kindergarteners.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: This doesn't make sense to me.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: How about a workbook that tells the story of a Palestinian child who wears torn clothing,
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: is barefoot,
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: and is bullied by a group of Zionists that wanted their land and stole it by force
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: and hurt many people.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: Then they ask students to fill in the blank on how they can help free Palestine.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: I kid you not, a student workbook is what's going to free Palestine apparently based on this.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'll read one more.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: There's too many in here really to read them all, but I got to read at least one more.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: An activity pack entitled Palestine Close to Our Hearts.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: It encourages students to pray to Allah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: You can raise your hands to the sky and pray for the people of Palestine.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: Pray for them to be safe and pray for them to be happy.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's also one that says the U.S.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: gives $3 billion to Israel to buy weapons to fight Palestinians, which is, of course, not true.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: They send them to fight terrorists like Hamas and ISIS.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Incredible distortion.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: the Jewish community had an outcry over this,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: and there was an article a couple of days ago that said that they removed most of
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: these materials,
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: and then they reposted them in a harder to find spot.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you can just tell the disdain that the Portland teachers have for the Jewish
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: community and really incredible stuff that they're trying to get taught in public schools.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: We'll also link to this.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Chris Rufo,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: who you may have heard of,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: is an education reform advocate nationally,
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: and he's got an article titled The Intifada Starts in Kindergarten.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Just incredible.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: I sometimes don't even have words when I read these because here's the stupidity of it.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: Palestinians and people that worship Allah, let's just say, right?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: They want to kill gay people.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: If you were transgender and you were gay and you went over to Palestine, they would kill you.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: So out of one side of your mouth,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: you sit there and say,
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: from the river to the sea,
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Palestinians will be free.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to kill Zionists and Jews, right?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: and basically run this propaganda crap with kindergartners all while you're trying
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: to tell them that pride is okay?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you realize that you're on the wrong side?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're on the wrong side.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know,
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: it has to just,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: ultimately has to be focused on that idea,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: the communist theory of oppressor versus oppressed,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: It just has to be that they just see this group of people as Palestinians as being oppressed.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: So therefore,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: they have to make it a wedge issue.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: and I can't wait until I see plenty of my Jewish friends become Republicans,
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: because at what point is the Jewish community kind of realize that the democratic
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: party no longer has a place for them,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: no longer has a place for them in their hearts or in their party.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this, if they're not looking at this stuff and you're, and you're a Jewish teacher somewhere,
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: You you should go down and well, you don't have to go down.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: You should go online and change your party registration today or at least leave the
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Democrat Party behind,
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: because these are the people Union President Angela Bonilla couldn't be reached for comment,
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: which I find it great.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: There's forty five hundred members, which I also find crazy that.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Portland Teachers Union has like 4,500 members, which is insane.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: But they just like, oh, it must have been a mistake.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: One of the union committees had reviewed all the lesson plans and other resources
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: before they were posted last month.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's a bunch of crap, and it's lies.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's all lies, Reagan.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: There is no way that they didn't know.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Or have this in their hearts and in their minds that they're going to go after and
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: push this stuff as badly as they want to.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they want to so bad.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: They want to just destroy everybody in this thing.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And we talked about the food bank last week.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: They're no different.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're in the same group.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: you bring up an excellent point about Jewish voters looking at changing their party
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: or at least leaving the Democratic Party.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I also think the teachers in Portland that think this is bad – I understand if
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: you're in a position where you don't really want to speak out because you think you
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: might get fired or that the union may come after you,
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: but leave your union.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Go to the Freedom Foundation.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: They have the paperwork there to leave the union.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Go.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Start crippling the union by leaving so that you don't pay their fees anymore
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: because they still have to negotiate.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is the great thing about it.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: They still have to negotiate your contract and salary and you'll get all that same stuff,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: but you aren't using the money to pay for all of this propaganda that's being pushed.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: I also just think that the other thing is it's amazing that
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: education results are as bad as they are.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: We were one of the few states, the New York times did this.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'll see if I can find the chart that lost ground after COVID when everyone was
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: pushing to,
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: close those gaps that were created from online education,
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: which didn't work for a lot of kids while schools were closed.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: We were one of the few that actually got worse after those pushes, which is just truly incredible.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: So the results are so bad.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: These same unions that are pushing this propaganda, instead of focusing on core subjects for kids,
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: are also asking for enormous raises,
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: striking in Portland,
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: nearly striking in Bend and Salem,
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: forcing gigantic budget cuts in other districts.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: And enrollment is declining because a lot of parents realize that after...
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: the schools were closing in COVID,
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: that maybe their individual teacher had their kids' best interests at heart,
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: but the collective teachers' union cares more about the teachers and their fear of
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: being in the classroom during COVID than they did about student excellence.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, we know that young people were most immune to COVID.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Young people weren't dying from COVID.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was older people, right?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was people, you know, 65 and older or people with significant health issues.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: And
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like we sacrificed an entire generation of kids and their achievement for,
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: these unfounded,
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: misinformed,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: disinformation campaign that the teachers unions were putting out.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they can't stop.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: You want to talk about misinformation and disinformation?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's the teachers unions and the food bank that are pushing all of the dis and misinformation.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, if people don't stand up, it's going to keep it's going to keep happening.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Can't just be the Republicans that say no, because we say no to a lot of stuff.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's got to be the parents in the swinging districts and Democrat parents that say
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: this is enough before it actually stops,
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: because right now they control Democrats control the government.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: So.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: This group,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: let's just,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Portland teachers,
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: this is the same group that striked in November and forced their kids.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: luckily,
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: my kids don't go to that school district,
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: but they forced Oregonians kids that they couldn't go to school for nearly a month.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was maybe even over a month.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then they took away their Christmas break because, you know, they had to strike to get more money.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they use kids as bargaining chips.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they're doing the same thing with this crap.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's no different that what they're doing.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And even Democrat lawmakers stood up to them when they were striking,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: saying,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: we literally gave you money.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we appropriated the money.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what, five months before that?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: So they could figure out their budget stuff.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's never enough.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: There will never be enough money for them.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: They always want more administration.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: They want more teachers.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: They want more.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: More, more, more, more.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's always more.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think they got a billion dollar,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: nearly a billion dollars more,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: not for the whole school system in Oregon.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we spend 10.2, 10.3 billion dollars on just public education in this state, just this state.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's always more and they always want more.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then they do this crap to our kids and then parents leave and send their kids to private school.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then they cry because they have no money.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're causing the problem.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: You understand you're causing your own problem by putting out this crap that you're
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: doing now for being a terrorist organization.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: and promoting terrorism over education.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's stupid.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the funding stuff,
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: these strikes,
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: I understand the inflationary pressures,
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: but this to me looks like a coordinated attack from teachers unions.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of working with schools to figure out a plan to get more money into the classroom,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: cut administration,
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: whatever it is,
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're turning the school boards and the districts into the bad guys and just
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: calling on them to either pay them or we're going to strike instead of figuring out
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: a collaborative solution with the district or working together with the district to
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: get more resources or something,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: a different solution.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: funding formula in 2025.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is a coordinated political attack and it's intended to benefit Democrats.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: And guaranteed, Brian, I'm just laying down the marker right now.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Democrats will say we need to raise taxes in 2025 to pay teachers.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not true because there's so much money available in the education system.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what we could do?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cut positions at ODE to put money in the classrooms.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know what the district should do?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: They should cut non-essential programs to get money in the classroom.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's really the problem.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: if that's really a problem, but I suspect it's not.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: I suspect this is just another attempt to try to raise taxes on taxpayers because
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: they don't like the property tax limits and they messed up.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: They thought,
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think they thought that when they asked for 10.3 last year and Democrats gave
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: them 10.2 plus 100 million in unexpected property tax revenue,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: they thought we wouldn't be able to get there and would be forced to raise taxes
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: and they're mad about it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so now they're coming back and they're trying to force it
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: uh the issue again they were the same people that were supportive of measure 97 and
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: voters voted it down there is a levy to fund schools in ben lapine school district
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: which brian is not a conservative leaning school district all of the school
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: district members are democrats i don't think for a minute they sat across from the
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: teachers and said we hate teachers and we're not going to pay you they said we just
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: don't have the money and they went out for a levy
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: and it failed because taxpayers are done.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: They said, obviously money's not the problem.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're in the top 10 or 15 for people funding,
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: and our scores have not never been lower,
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: but they've close to never been lower than they are right now.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to lay that out for everybody because I think it's easy to look at
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: this and go,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: wow,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: these strikes,
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: this must be really bad.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's not what it is.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Because the unions,
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: the state unions got their raises at six and a half percent,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: basically,
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: and six and a half percent for two years,
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: which is 12 percent over two years.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: And the unions are asking for more than that.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: Here's I'm going to, you know, go back while that Portland teachers union strike was happening.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Three brave House Republicans, your state representative, Jamie Cate, and my lovely wife.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, my state representative, Vicki Brice Iverson and Representative Goodwin.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: you know, penned a letter to call on.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we actually wrote the bill that never got a hearing that these teachers unions
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: could not strike while kids and kids are in school,
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: strike all you want,
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: strike on the weekends,
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: create the,
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: what you need to do over the summer.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I get all that.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine with that, but don't do it at the expense of kids.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: And in the Willamette week, when they wrote the article about it, it was great.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Nigel quoted, maybe it wasn't as, yeah, it was Nigel.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: But the House Republicans introducing legislation,
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: the three of them,
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: and Vicki's quote was great because it says,
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: Portland public schools are the gold standard for how not to run a school district,
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: despite record investments from the state.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: It is time they be held accountable.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the reality is like, we need our parents.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And they were kind of pissed in Portland then,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: but they have to,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: they got to hold them accountable for their budgeting and they got to hold them
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: accountable for,
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: this crap that they're trying to shove down our kids' throats there.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: it's just,
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: and just because they see it,
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: they try it out in Portland because usually people in Portland are a little more
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: acceptable to far left-wing agenda things.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just kind of permeates out of there and heads into your school districts and mine.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: And but it always starts in Portland.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: And we just have to put a put an end to it there.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I really hope this is an eye opening thought process,
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: even for our Democrat lawmakers who don't aren't from Portland that aren't in this
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: craziness scenario.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: But they won't,
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: hopefully they'll stand up and say,
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're I think you guys are gone too far on this.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know if they will,
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: because Portland Teachers Union is one of the biggest funders of their campaigns.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it'll be really interesting to see if the media actually holds them accountable
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: and asks candidates who get endorsed by the Portland Teachers Union,
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: do you agree with the kids should be able to pray to Allah in schools or should be
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: encouraged by their teachers to pray to Allah that we should write letters to Joe
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: Biden saying defund and abandon Israel,
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: calling community members and parents and students Zionists?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: whether they're Jewish or not, which is because they support Israel.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, is that something you actually support?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is your support of the Oregon Food Bank predicated on them continuing to oppose a
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: war in Gaza and oppose Israel?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Those are questions that journalists should ask this fall of candidates when they...
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because they will.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: They'll trumpet the endorsement because it's forty five hundred teachers.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so theoretically, it's around forty five hundred votes or some large percentage of that.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: They should also be asked, do they support these radical positions?
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure there are Republican opponents will be holding them accountable.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: But the media should also hold them accountable,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: just like when every candidate endorsed by Urban Right to Life.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: gets dinged because the organization organ rights life doesn't support any um
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: abortion any version of abortion even though they allow candidates to oppose rape
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: incest and all those other things the candidates always get tagged for that
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: position okay and the journalists print okay fine but then let's be fair on the
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: other side of the issue and say oh but these groups have radical positions and
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: you're not going to report on them because why because oh because you live in
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: portland and are afraid of the response you're
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: You put down a marker, Reagan.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put down a marker.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you are a Democrat candidate and I am running a race against you and you take
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: money from the teachers union,
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: you will see a mailer that talks about how you are in bed with Hamas.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: and the horribleness that these, that these teachers union is representing in Oregon.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it is coming.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you take a dollar from the teachers union, just know it.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Brian, you're not normally one to telegraph your campaign plans in advance.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, that's, you've sent the warning out.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: So anyone who makes the mistake now is, is just asking for it.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's horrible, Reagan.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's just not what,
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: they should be doing in the Portland teachers union.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they're by far and away with 4,500 members.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably 30% of the union members in the entire state teachers union.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we're 25 and they're probably the ones that give all the money to it.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't mind going against,
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: of course,
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: now I don't have many candidates running against Portland Democrats,
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: but there is one up in East County up around up in there that might have to be careful.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: We'll find out.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of,
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I want to just,
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: before we move on to the next topic,
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: one last thing I just want to say,
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: talking about,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: cause we,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: we kind of reported on,
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: it was kind of a mixed bag of some school districts,
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: getting funding and passing some of their levies or sorry,
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: not levies,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: their property tax renew,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: usually renewal bonds for fixing stuff.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of them were renewal bonds.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: There was a couple of new ones.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: So in Crook County where everybody else is failing,
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Our we just had an article came out with Central Oregonian or maybe that'll be the new name.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they'll change the name.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows what the sale of all the newspapers.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: But our our school districts in great shape.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Our enrollment's up 400 kids over the last four years.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: Things are fine.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Our budget is gone from 20 million revenue from kids gone from 20 million to 25 million.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope that we can attribute that to a couple of things.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I think growth is definitely one of them.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's no doubt that younger families in Central Oregon are moving to Crick County
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: because it's more affordable than living in Bend.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's for sure.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: But also, I think they're coming over here because our school district is not Portland.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's not Ben Lapine School District.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's something to that.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think when we flipped the school board over here,
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: you talked about when you guys ran on keep the school open,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: we ran on don't sexualize our kids.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: And we ran away with that one as well.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there's been a lot of challenges with the school board and the things that the
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: ladies have had to deal with,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: which is just,
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: again,
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: teachers unions,
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: they were running ads against the candidates over here because they were so afraid.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I would say school districts and school board races are all up less than a year
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: from now at this point.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: So start finding candidates and get them talking about if you want your school
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: district to be funded with state funding,
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: get students in the classroom.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the way to do that is stop teaching them this,
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: this other crap and sexualizing our kids and just teach them how to read and write
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: and play baseball and basketball and,
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: and be good,
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: be good stewards of the community and move on.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: I would also say that if you're a Republican candidate who's run recently for state
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: legislature in a hard district to win this last cycle or in this cycle and you
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: don't end up winning for whatever reason,
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: pivot that right.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: Take that name ID and try to turn it into a school board victory.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: There were a couple candidates that did that after the 22 elections in school
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: districts that are hard to win.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Be that voice of rational reason on your school board, even if you're the only one that wins.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, just...
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: utilize that to a benefit.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Don't let that work go to waste because you probably built something and got some
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: people on board and those are much more winnable races.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: So go win a school board race,
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: even in a tough school district where there's fewer resources and there's more
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: upset parents that might be willing to do something on that front.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a great way to take your name ID and
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then that helps us build a bench for next time, right?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: When we have these school board members to pull from,
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: they get that education credit from voters who say,
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: this person was on the school board and they worked on education.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's a benefit to you as a candidate next time.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: So just a little hint there for people if that's not obvious.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, two points, two salient points in that.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: One is sometimes it takes a canary in the coal mine.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: to know that the oxygen's good, right?
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes somebody has to step up
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: and go down and go into the fight.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: And we talked about this with the Multnomah County Commissioner.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't it be great if we have one Republican voice on there?
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Same with the city council in Portland, just one voice.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're not gonna win the vote, but you can at least make the argument.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's something to that that matters.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I really do.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: And also,
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: by the way,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: if you are a state representative,
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: you actually can run for a school board because in Oregon,
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: You can hold multiple elected offices.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: You just can't be paid for multiple elected offices.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: So we've had a few county commissioners and other ones that have taken on school boards,
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: including your own there,
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: where they just said,
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: listen,
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: if nobody else is going to step up,
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: I will.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I think most people don't know that.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: But if you have a city councilor, that's great.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: And your school board needs some help.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Have the city councilor go run.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: They can hold both offices at once.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great another great tip, Brian.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know where you can't hold two positions, Brian, that's in the legislature.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be the majority leader and the co-chair of Ways and Means.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why this article that hit this was a Monday morning.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this had been rumored for a little bit, but really only in the insider circles.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I think to most people, this was a surprise.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oregon Senate Democrats shuffle leadership ahead of November election from our good
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: friend Dirk Vander Hart at OPB.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: Senator Elizabeth Steiner is stepping down as the chief budget writer.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: She's the co-chair for Ways and Means.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the Senate Majority Leader Kate Lieber is going to take her place.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: And that's all operative July as of July 15th.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: And there's also a note here about how they will have an election to replace Lieber
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: as majority leader before July 15th.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: Brian, I've got some thoughts on that, but I kind of wanted to get your thoughts first.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: Is this a smart move for Democrats?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think if you're Elizabeth Steiner, I believe that she's probably doing the right thing.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: She needs to focus on her race and her campaign.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And going back to the beginning of the podcast,
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: where we talked about statewide candidates got to do a lot of traveling,
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: they got to get out and
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, work the state and get everybody to know who she is.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Elizabeth Senator Steiner.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not in the building, so I don't have to call her Senator Steiner, I guess.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I have that tendency always to want to call them by their title.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: But the senator is was a great ways and means senator.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Co-chair for a Democrat.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just preface that.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think when Senator Betsy Johnson and her were both co-chairs, that was a pretty good.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: And with Peter Courtney as president, I mean, Oregon had some, I think some solid Democrats there.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: who were,
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: they understood that they couldn't step outside of the normal thing and go crazy
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: left and fund a bunch of crazy stuff and go after taxes and all the things.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Senator Steiner was part of that group.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: And she's part of the leadership in that realm.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: But replacing her,
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you look around,
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: and this will lead into our next topic,
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: but I really feel that majority leader Lieber,
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: that's kind of a fun one to say,
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: kind of was the only one really that I felt that could step into that role.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: and have, at least from our standpoint, and still have that same sensibilities that was there before.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: I really believe that Kate has some strong sensibilities.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like to think that we're friends.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: She gives me a hug when I see her, so I consider that to be better.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's just being nice.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if she wants to backstab me, but I think that it's a step down politically,
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: but it's a step up in the building, if that makes sense.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you politically speaking,
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: if you're the majority leader,
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: you definitely get to have your name at lights more.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Your, your name's more on press releases going out all the time.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're involved in the campaigns and all your other members and kind of working to make things happen.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: You're working in conjunction with Senate president's office to,
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: get legislation passed that you need to all that sort of stuff.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: So really politically speaking,
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: it's a way more powerful position, but in the building,
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Co-chair Ways and Means is being the chief budget writer is a pretty powerful
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: position within the structure of government.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think it would be great if Kate Lieber would come on our program.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to talk to her about what her priorities are going to be and also why she made that move.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: In my mind, I would say it's because she's not thinking she needs to be in the limelight.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: as majority leader because she's not,
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: maybe she's looking down the road and not seeing,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to run for governor in two years because Kotech's up for reelection.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: What potential congressional seats, maybe she's not seeing a path there, doesn't want to go.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, we have all the state whites now.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're four years from now before any of those are up again.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: And all three Democrats are relatively young.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't see any of them resigning or moving on to anything else after they win
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: their statewide elections this time if they do.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I guess maybe she's probably looking at the course of time and just saying it
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: doesn't make a lot of sense.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: President Wagner is pretty young,
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: too,
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: so she's probably not seeing a lot of movement there unless he loses a bunch of
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: seats to jump into that Senate president role.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Which is normally,
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: the majority leader is typically the favorite for that next job at the Senate
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: president's office.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you're right.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: A step up in influence.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: I also think.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: One of the secrets of these majority leader,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: minority leader jobs is you're dealing with a lot of complaining from your members.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: They come to you with problems.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're the majority leader, maybe you can solve them.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: If the minority leader, you almost always can't solve them.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: But whatever the complaint is, it's just like you are taking a lot of incoming.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: You're taking a lot of criticism, sometimes for things outside of your control even.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so in terms of having the ability to actually solve problems as the co-chair, you can do that.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: You can make some things happen.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: You can move money and move agencies.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean this is – the co-chair of Ways and Means I think actually –
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: The legislature can set policy,
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: but the co-chair,
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: ways and means,
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: can control an agency via the pocketbook.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's,
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's an underutilized tool sometimes where the ways and means as a group or
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: even just the co-chairs and the vice chairs should really push harder on some of
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: these agencies to really justify policy.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of these failures, um, a lot of them are, a lot of them are money failures.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are misuse of resource failures.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are decision-making failures because of how much resources they have.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so you can, you can have a lot of controls there, um, with the, with the co-chair, um, gavel.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, great, great for her.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think I get your point also with co-chair Steiner, I think for a Democrat, obviously there's stuff that
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: she funded or didn't fund that we don't agree with or wouldn't agree with but i do
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: think a lot of people recognized that she put in the work and you know sometimes
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: had some really good reasons for why she did or didn't do certain things and she
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: wasn't one of those that always looked for that easy route of well i guess we're
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: just going to raise taxes she found creative ways to do stuff and
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's,
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: that's where Senator Lieber also I have similar experience with her where she's not
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: always looking for that easy partisan button push.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: She's looking for to work on real solutions.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I wish her the best.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think she will do a good job.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think both Democrats.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think both of them don't yet, right?
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: We always got to preface that.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that there isn't,
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen a desire and heard them publicly,
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: either one of them,
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: talk about raising taxes.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's been a,
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: and I guess that goes back to my point of when President Courtney was there and everything,
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: like raising taxes seemed to be their last resort.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I can appreciate that as a Republican, right, as a small government Republican.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: And our government is already way too big.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we don't need to raise more raise more taxes on any level for working class Oregonians anymore.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they get that.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know that Republicans feel that way, right?
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: a few of them maybe vote here or there on a small tax that is more like a fee,
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: but I still consider them taxes.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll see.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see what happens.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think it would be very curious to see what happens.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: Senator Lieber does as co-chair.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know that they're really good friends, Senator Lieber and Senator Steiner.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I think having that ability to call a lot of times,
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: they when these changes happen,
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: they don't really want to talk to the former chairs or the former leaders.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's not really there's sometimes some animosity or some political competition
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: that causes a lot of these both sides of the aisle.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen it right where they just don't really want to talk to each other because,
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do it my way.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: You did it your way.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do it my way.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think these two are friends outside of that.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I would would hope that that institutional knowledge is transferred as best as possible,
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: because that's what ultimately we need as just the populace.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: So.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll do a transition then, Reagan.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Who do you think is going to be the next majority leader?
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at that Senate caucus and I put it in our notes here that you and I are looking at.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: OPB is thrown out.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Senator Salmon and Senator Taylor are both interested.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't heard a press release or seen a press release for them.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think Lieber obviously was a good majority leader because she didn't have any
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: primaries and things like that.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: So she was able to navigate that space.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think those two both are on Ways and Means currently.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: So that'll be interesting.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other ones out there, and I'm really curious about you because I am at a loss on this.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: So Senator Campos, Gelser Bluen, Frederick, Golden, Gorsuch, Jama, Manning, Meek.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Patterson, Prozansky, Salmon, Taylor, and Woods, right?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's all the other ones out there that we know aren't running for anything else that are around.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: I also heard today that potentially Senator Manning might be interested in it,
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: which is interesting because he's president pro tem.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that'll be an interesting election.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can see a few things going sideways there.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: What's your thoughts?
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a couple different ones.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the things,
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: is that and this isn't something I typically put a lot of stock in,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: but the Democrats do talk about the identity politics of this.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think Senator Manning is interested and is,
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: a competitive candidate because he is African-American and he would be,
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: the only person in leadership of color.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking about this.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Speaker Fahey.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: You've got President Wagner.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Majority Leader Bowman.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: You've got an open majority leader position.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_00: You've got and then the only other person kind of in that upper echelons is
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: co-chair Sanchez on the House Republican or House Democrat side.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: Excuse me.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that that makes Manning a competitive candidate right away.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_00: As you said, Senate pro tem.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: So he's sort of already in a leadership position that gives him an opportunity.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: Senator Taylor mentioned,
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: too,
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think she gets she gets a lot of credit for helping negotiate the end of the walkout.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think that that showed a lot of leadership in a really challenging time,
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: obviously,
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: for Oregon and for the Democratic and Republican caucuses,
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: because we didn't know if the walkout was going to end or if it was just going to
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: end at sine die.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think she gets some credit for that, certainly.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: and then you know senator solomon having some recent wins with right to repair
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: maybe being seen as a little bit more progressive although i think like all these
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: most of these guys are all pretty progressive there aren't a lot of moderates left
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: in that senate democratic caucus that's i guess i would look towards to see what
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: does senator wagner president wagner want to kind of have as his right arm running
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: stuff that's that's where i'm looking at that list of people and
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: So Manning's kind of been that right arm, and maybe that's the connection there.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it could be good.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty interesting.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think that at the end of the day,
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think Taylor,
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Solomon,
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: and Manning seem to be the only ones that have the ability.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Prozanski won't do it because all he wants to do is beat Prozanski.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_01: Gorsik isn't going to be there because we're going to beat him.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: uh mark meek won't do it for i just mark doesn't strike me as somebody who wants to
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: do leadership he didn't do it on the house side either i think that he kind of
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: likes the lanes that he stands in and goes in patterson same woods is you know
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: still got some health issues and he's not gonna he's not gonna want to do anything
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: jama i thought maybe would
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: possibly step up into something.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was a pretty good leader on housing and has been kind of a pretty decent leader.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was surprised to your whole point of before,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: of having a person of color and that sort of stuff.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then Campos is the only one I fear that they would bring up,
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: but then now,
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: then he would have Bowman and Campos in the same,
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: same area.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: So that would be interesting, both coming from the Beaverton Tigard area, but Campos, Campos is my fear.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: That they want to bring up.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think they think she's still pretty young,
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: but they,
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: there could be a lot of that progressiveness coming out of there.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: I really don't know.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: You usually have more Democrat insiders feeding you intel than I do.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've said all that I know at this point,
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: and we'll see if it sort of develops over the next month as the people who are
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: running start making calls and seeing what's possible in terms of the votes and the
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: way they line up.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of this,
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: Brian,
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_00: is who's most liked in the caucus,
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_00: and that's not always easy to parse externally because you don't know what kind of
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: fights they've had behind closed doors.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can make some guesses based on legislation or stuff that spills out in the public, but
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: they try to keep that stuff, you know, bottled up to the extent that they can.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes it'll be a surprise person that's just really well-liked or hasn't
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_00: done anything significant to piss everybody off lately.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, it can, it can really, it can really turn into a popularity contest sometimes too.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's not always about external achievements.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think the house dims when they were doing their leadership stuff,
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: when it was Bowman versus Krupp,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think there was some,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: pragmatic discussions that went on, you know, with with those.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't there, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we know Bowman won.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the usually nobody ever tells you what what the vote totals were or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think that caucus seemed like there was a kind of a desire to move towards
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  SPEAKER_01: some kind of fresher new leadership stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: there just I just felt that and maybe that was like you just said after the course
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  SPEAKER_01: of a month of hearing chatter and conversations and what what people are kind of
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  SPEAKER_01: pushing towards the Senate Dems you know you and I have you know some of these guys
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  SPEAKER_01: have been here a long time
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we know where they stand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some of them we know aren't coming back or have already indicated they're not
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  SPEAKER_01: coming back for another term.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're not going to run.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it really does narrow that field of people that they could be voting for in July.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd be curious to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the reality at the end of the day is leadership within the building,
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  SPEAKER_01: besides President Wagner,
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  SPEAKER_01: has completely turned over since Vicky left in September.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brian, any last words for our listeners?
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  SPEAKER_01: That was good.
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