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New NFL Billionaire Owners, Gruden’s Broadcasting Ambitions, Matt Miller’s Wild Story & Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on Everybody, John Middlecock three
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Speaker 1: and OW podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing well out there
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Speaker 1: living life, and this will be the last podcast of
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Speaker 1: the week, so make sure you go. We've done podcasts
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Speaker 1: the last three days. I did a separate golf podcast,
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Speaker 1: Go Low Getting ready for the British Open. I'll be
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Speaker 1: on with colin Thursday and Friday down in Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: and then back in Arizona for the weekend. So that's today.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little football. I wanted to spell
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Speaker 1: a myth John Gruden wants to become a play by
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Speaker 1: play guy. One of the craziest stories you'll ever see.
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Speaker 1: And then we'll do some mailbag questions as well. Other
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Speaker 1: than that, I got my friends at Netflix. Quarterback just
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Speaker 1: came out and this year it's Baker Mayfield. We talked
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Speaker 1: about it yesterday with Baker's injuries, Jadon Daniels, cam Ward
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Speaker 1: and Flacco. I was texting with Jackson earlier. He watched
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Speaker 1: the first couple episodes. He's like, actually, it is good.
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Speaker 1: It's good. I watched the first season. I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna bang a couple out when I'm in the hotel
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Speaker 1: room tomorrow or Thursday for sure. But so go check
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Speaker 1: that out on Netflix. They do a good job. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've seen some of the clips with Baker and his
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Speaker 1: wife and kind of a cool group, you know when
1:34
Speaker 1: they first came out swinging with My Homes. But this
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Speaker 1: is this is a little bit different group, some young
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks Baker. So Netflix, go check that out. And you
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Speaker 1: guys know the Drill subscribed to three and now podcasts
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Speaker 1: if you listen on Collins Feet appreciate every one of
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Speaker 1: you guys. All of our content is on Netflix probably
1:51
Speaker 1: once football gets going here in a week or two.
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Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers in Rams report here
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Speaker 1: in like four or five days because the Australia game.
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Speaker 1: But for the most of the teams it's like veterans,
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Speaker 1: like July twenty third through twenty six range, So we
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Speaker 1: still got a ten ish days. I bet some of
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Speaker 1: the young guys probably starting to get societies. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you that, much like am I really ready for this? Well,
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Speaker 1: we're about to find out. So we'll do a bunch
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Speaker 1: of stuff on the YouTube channel as well. Once football
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Speaker 1: starts or just when I say it starts, like camps
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Speaker 1: just opening, get going and stories start popping out, but
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Speaker 1: let's just dive into to the league. One consistent theme
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Speaker 1: the media often chimes in with, as these franchises have
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Speaker 1: sold for these record valuations, And I would say in
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Speaker 1: all of sports, but definitely with football, is will these
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Speaker 1: guys that pay enormous sum of money? Right even going back,
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, the last sale was six billion dollars,
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. Where I come from from
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Speaker 1: Josh Harrison and the Commanders to what Temper paid, I
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Speaker 1: think four billion in Carolina. So obviously Seattle nine point
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Speaker 1: six or nine point eight. I mean, they did just
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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl and have if he was a
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Speaker 1: free agent, both the GM and the coach. I would say,
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Speaker 1: well over half the league would fire their GM and
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Speaker 1: coach to hire the guy. So it's very very unique market.
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Speaker 1: It's an intense sports area. Right when I think the Northwest,
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Speaker 1: I think Oregon football, I think the Seattle Seahawks when
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, Gary Payton and Sean Kemp and
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Speaker 1: the Trailblazers have definitely had their moments. It's it's a
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Speaker 1: pretty unique area. It's not viewed as like Chicago or
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Speaker 1: New York City or Los Angeles but they like their
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Speaker 1: teams up there, and specifically Seattle. I mean, their fucking
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Speaker 1: fans have a nickname because when that thing's rolling, it's
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Speaker 1: it's intense. And I've heard a lot of media people say,
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Speaker 1: will these guys buy these teams and start running it
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Speaker 1: like a business essentially? Will they start will they go cheap?
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Speaker 1: Will they pinch pennies? Will they just look at the
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Speaker 1: spreadsheet and make decisions? And I think this is just
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Speaker 1: one all these guys. When you look at Temper, I
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Speaker 1: mean I google it today, David Temper is worth like
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Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars. Josh Harris, depending on where he looks,
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Speaker 1: like twelve to fifteen. This guy Venode is worth a lot.
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Speaker 1: You know, I hope they run it like they've been
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Speaker 1: running it because they have been extremely successful doing that.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at and here's the other thing
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Speaker 1: in football that is different from baseball and basketball. Your
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Speaker 1: most expensive, like your most your basic expense with a
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Speaker 1: football team or any professional organization when it comes to sports,
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Speaker 1: are your players right? And in the NFL, the salary cap,
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Speaker 1: which has risen dramatically. I remember when I was a kid.
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Speaker 1: You know, you'd sign like a four year fifteen million
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Speaker 1: dollar contract in the mid to late nineties. Like this
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Speaker 1: guy is rich. This guy hit the bank. Now it's
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Speaker 1: like this guy didn't even get one hundred guaranteed loser.
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Speaker 1: It's like Brandon Ayuk was pissed off when he got
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Speaker 1: seventy five million dollars. That's a whole nother discussion. Can
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Speaker 1: we stop talking about Brandon Ayuk. It's it's like a
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Speaker 1: Bravo reality show. I don't know what to believe. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what not to believe. I simply do not care.
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Speaker 1: Comes off like a loon. But if you're a general
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Speaker 1: manager Mike Adam Peters, I would stay away. But is
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Speaker 1: it all performative? I don't know, But that is a
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Speaker 1: I ain't touching that with a ten football. These wide receivers,
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Speaker 1: I mean, god, they can go to the Looney ben fast.
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Speaker 1: But these owners that are getting involved over the course,
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Speaker 1: especially just the last four or five years, the amount
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Speaker 1: of money needed to get involve means that you have been,
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Speaker 1: if not the most successful guy in your industry, one
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Speaker 1: of the most successful guys in your industry in businesses
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Speaker 1: that are worth billions of dollars. So when I look
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Speaker 1: at teams around the league that are considered cheap. Most
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Speaker 1: of them are organizations that have been owned by the
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Speaker 1: same family when they got the team literally for pennies.
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Speaker 1: How long have the Bears been in mccaskey's the Hollis
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Speaker 1: fit like that family one hundred years? How long have
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Speaker 1: the Browns owned the Bengals? Even the Chargers? When did
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Speaker 1: the Spanos family purchase them the early eighties? Even Jerry Jones,
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Speaker 1: who bought the team in nineteen eighty nine said, last
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Speaker 1: year I watched the Brian shott Nimer press conference and
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Speaker 1: he had he had a comment that if I knew,
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Speaker 1: because remember Jerry played college football, Jerry played at Arkansas
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Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson. It's not like Jerry was just some
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Speaker 1: oil maverick that was a jocksniff. Like he played on
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Speaker 1: a team that won a national championship. I wouldn't say
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Speaker 1: they were playing, you know, the Nick Saban Alabama team
7:11
Speaker 1: or the Joe Burrow LSU team in the sixties. Probably
7:13
Speaker 1: competition is a little different, but it's all relative. Like
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Speaker 1: they clearly for their time were really really good. And
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Speaker 1: I think back then Arkansas was not in the SEC.
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Speaker 1: But Jerry made a comment that if I knew how
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Speaker 1: much coaches were going to make, Maybe early on in
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Speaker 1: my career I would have chose to be a coach.
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Speaker 1: Think about what Jerry in nineteen eighty nine when he
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Speaker 1: bought Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy was probably making good money. They
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Speaker 1: probably had assistance on the squad making ten twenty thirty grand.
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Speaker 1: And now wide receiver coaches in the NFL, if you're good,
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Speaker 1: make nine hundred thousand dollars. Running back coaches in the SEC,
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Speaker 1: if you've been doing it for a while, make eight
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand. Let alone, you got four or
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Speaker 1: five coordinators, O line coaches, special teams coach making seven figuers.
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Speaker 1: So for some of these owners and ownership groups, I've
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Speaker 1: said this forever. When you're frugal and cheap, that is
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Speaker 1: a disease that you do not shake. It's not like
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Speaker 1: alcoholism or some of these things that people battle and
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Speaker 1: they go to rehab and they just go cold turkey.
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Speaker 1: I have never met in my forty years of life
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Speaker 1: someone who was once considered really cheap that all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden said, you know, that guy's the best tipper,
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Speaker 1: That guy takes care of people. It is a badge
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Speaker 1: that you carry with your whole life and a lot
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Speaker 1: of time it's ingrained in you when you're young. It's
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Speaker 1: not even necessarily your fault. Now. I'd also argue once
8:37
Speaker 1: you hit a certain point, you know when the story
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Speaker 1: comes out the Tiger Woods takes the Marines out for
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Speaker 1: cheeseburgers when he's in the peak of his powers making
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Speaker 1: fifty sixty million dollars a year twenty years ago, and
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Speaker 1: doesn't pick up the tab like, come on, Tiger, like this.
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Speaker 1: It's called being a grown up. There's a difference between
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Speaker 1: being cheap and being a grown up. But the Chargers
9:01
Speaker 1: this season, they have a quarterback who is viewed as
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Speaker 1: one of the most talented guys in the league. Got
9:06
Speaker 1: to pick it up in the playoffs. But I think
9:07
Speaker 1: we'd all agree most teams in the league would love
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Speaker 1: to have Justin Herbert, and he is considered a max quarterback,
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Speaker 1: a guy that you build your franchise around. No team
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Speaker 1: in the NFL this year will spend less cash than
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Speaker 1: the Chargers, And all I've heard forever is like, well,
9:23
Speaker 1: they've built this new facility at El Segundo. My entire
9:27
Speaker 1: life up until Jim Harbaugh when it got so bad
9:30
Speaker 1: they didn't have a choice, and Jim Harbaugh basically wanted
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Speaker 1: to come to them because they had Herbert. They went
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Speaker 1: the cheap route with coaches. Look at the Bears up
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Speaker 1: until Ben Johnson. They were always going out of their
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Speaker 1: way to get someone who wasn't gonna cost a lot
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Speaker 1: of money. The Browns have battled this forever, not just
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Speaker 1: with the coaches but the players as well. Part of
9:51
Speaker 1: the reason I'm so high on the Bengals this year,
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Speaker 1: they already had good players. They've spent a lot of
9:55
Speaker 1: money on adding some free agents. They have some young
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Speaker 1: up and coming players like and the division's kind of influx.
10:02
Speaker 1: Like they got a chance to be really, really good.
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Speaker 1: But historically the Bengals kind of found ways to circumvent that.
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Speaker 1: Of course, and Palmer once quit on them because he
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Speaker 1: thought they were always full of shit and refused to
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Speaker 1: spend money. Now, you might not be good at owning
10:18
Speaker 1: the team hire the wrong coaches, David Tepper. You would say,
10:22
Speaker 1: up until last year when they went eight to nine,
10:23
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, it's been a disaster. But it's not
10:26
Speaker 1: because the guy didn't try. His first big move was
10:29
Speaker 1: who we're gonna get as a coach. He started going
10:32
Speaker 1: after big names. A lot of people had tried to
10:35
Speaker 1: hire Matt Ruhle, and he gave him a ton of money.
10:37
Speaker 1: It blew up in his face. Who was his general manager?
10:40
Speaker 1: Well hired one of John Schneider's guys. Can't go wrong there.
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Speaker 1: It just did not work. But he attempted to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing. Jimmy Haslam beside Jeffrey Lurie and Jed
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Speaker 1: Yorke and depending on the year, spent as much cash
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Speaker 1: on his team over the last four or five years
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Speaker 1: as anyone. Now you can argue they medal and all
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Speaker 1: this stuff, But in terms of these new owners that
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Speaker 1: have got involved in recent history will do anything when
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Speaker 1: it comes to spending cash on their team. Why because
11:09
Speaker 1: they are used to billion dollar deals they have. They
11:13
Speaker 1: don't come into this with the mindset of, well, once
11:16
Speaker 1: upon a time, we bought this team for thirty five
11:19
Speaker 1: million dollars back in nineteen sixty eight. We got a
11:23
Speaker 1: loan and we got the thing and we financed it,
11:26
Speaker 1: putting the putting leverage against our seven tractors and the
11:30
Speaker 1: one building we own. No even get a seat at
11:34
Speaker 1: the table. What did Mark Davis just do? Because Mark
11:37
Speaker 1: Davis is an example with those other guys. His dad
11:40
Speaker 1: is on the team since what late sixties, early seventies
11:43
Speaker 1: I think is when he became the controlling owner. Maybe
11:45
Speaker 1: it must have been the late sixties, because in the
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Speaker 1: seventies he maddening all those guys. Well, they just didn't
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Speaker 1: have the cash. Why because they don't have these outside
11:52
Speaker 1: businesses they can't compete with. Like when a guy like
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Speaker 1: Paul Allen gets into the league, or David Tepper or
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Speaker 1: Jimmy As he doesn't have the outside businesses funneling cash
12:04
Speaker 1: to like oh I can overspend on a coach, it
12:07
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So he gets Brady and his two big
12:11
Speaker 1: money guys. So like, what do you guys need, Well,
12:14
Speaker 1: more cash, we need to have bigger signing bonuses. And
12:17
Speaker 1: they change their mentality. Part of the reason the Raiders
12:21
Speaker 1: once traded Khalil Mack because they could not have financed
12:23
Speaker 1: the contract like the Chicago Bears were able to do.
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Speaker 1: You know. And and again I'm not saying all these
12:31
Speaker 1: teams don't have examples where they have tried. But the
12:35
Speaker 1: least of my worries is these new owners coming in
12:39
Speaker 1: and getting cheap now where they could get involved, and
12:43
Speaker 1: they have in recent battle is getting very meddlesome and
12:47
Speaker 1: getting very involved. And when you do that and you
12:51
Speaker 1: speak a language like football, that is extremely foreign because
12:55
Speaker 1: whether I invest in Square, or I invest in Facebook,
12:59
Speaker 1: or I in in Costco, at the end of the day,
13:02
Speaker 1: they're all doing somewhat something similar, right, trying to make
13:06
Speaker 1: money either selling products, getting fees on you know you
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Speaker 1: making purchase it, whatever the industry might be. We're in football,
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Speaker 1: it's simple, do we have the best coach, do we
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Speaker 1: have the best quarterback? And do we have a guy
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Speaker 1: that can build a team around those two guys? Cause
13:23
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna be able to speak their language
13:25
Speaker 1: because in business, whether it's fucking AI, whether it's a restaurant,
13:29
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be some common language. In football, when
13:32
Speaker 1: you're running a play against a certain defense and you
13:35
Speaker 1: don't know football, it's gonna sound like Chinese. I say
13:38
Speaker 1: it all the time. I do this for a living.
13:40
Speaker 1: I worked in divisional on college football and the NFL.
13:44
Speaker 1: I could not the seth Wickersham article on Sean Payton.
13:47
Speaker 1: If I sat there on their game plan meetings, I
13:49
Speaker 1: wouldn't know what they were talking about. I would have
13:52
Speaker 1: no clue on a lot of the stuff they're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Why because it's completely over my head. And I've dedicated
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Speaker 1: my adult life to being around football, talking to football people,
14:04
Speaker 1: talking about football, studying football, and making football my life
14:10
Speaker 1: when it comes to making money, and I don't know
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Speaker 1: what those guys are talking about. It's why a lot
14:15
Speaker 1: of general managers and the head coach butt heads on
14:18
Speaker 1: stuff because they speak a different language. Often. It's why
14:21
Speaker 1: often a lot of general managers speak more of the
14:24
Speaker 1: coach's language, because it's be like we or I mean
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Speaker 1: the owner's language. We think this guy is worth this.
14:30
Speaker 1: We think this is the bonus structure. That's what those
14:32
Speaker 1: guys are comfortable talking about. So when I see these
14:36
Speaker 1: new owners getting involved and I'm speaking football, the owner
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Speaker 1: with the new Blazers owner who signed the coach to
14:43
Speaker 1: a one year contract with rolling team options, that's an
14:47
Speaker 1: embarrassment like that, that's a joke. I can't take you seriously.
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Speaker 1: And I understand. I watched the press conference. I think
14:55
Speaker 1: the guy used to be on the Timberwolf staff. He's
14:57
Speaker 1: bounced around, he's a Mike Malone guy. He seems like
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Speaker 1: a really high level guy. And I don't blame him.
15:03
Speaker 1: He's tried to get head coaching jobs before and he
15:05
Speaker 1: couldn't get one, and this guy offers him with these
15:07
Speaker 1: weird you know, contract stipulations. What's what's supposed to do?
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Speaker 1: Not take the job? I mean the team was actually
15:12
Speaker 1: in the playoffs last year. It's worth the risk, but
15:16
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to risk it with that. Remember a
15:19
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the Lakers tried to hire Tyron
15:23
Speaker 1: lou but Jeanie Buss wouldn't give him a long term contract.
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, this is the cost of doing business. Now. Now,
15:31
Speaker 1: when when these new owners go cheap on coaches, then
15:35
Speaker 1: you can have an issue with them. But if you
15:37
Speaker 1: look around the league, the teams consistently that pinch pennies,
15:41
Speaker 1: even outside of the players. Because again, if your salary
15:44
Speaker 1: cap is two hundred and fifty million dollars and you
15:47
Speaker 1: get a four hundred and twenty five million dollar check
15:50
Speaker 1: from the NFL, that means your biggest expense is completely
15:55
Speaker 1: taken care of. Now, how you saved that money and
15:58
Speaker 1: invest that money the extra money so you have money
16:01
Speaker 1: to invest in bonuses and stuff to be more competitive
16:05
Speaker 1: and to be more aggressive. Yes, we can have those arguments. Clearly,
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Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Lewis, the Stan Cronky's are more aggressive than
16:13
Speaker 1: certain owners, right, there is no disputing that. But the
16:19
Speaker 1: get in price now is so crazy that that's the
16:24
Speaker 1: least of my worries. Now, if something economically changes and
16:28
Speaker 1: the league starts going the other way, then yeah, I
16:31
Speaker 1: think everyone would have problems those guys, the long term owners.
16:35
Speaker 1: But all these guys, I think the only question you
16:38
Speaker 1: should have if you're a fan of a team that
16:40
Speaker 1: gets a new owner is like, is this guy going
16:43
Speaker 1: to try to get too involved in the football stuff.
16:46
Speaker 1: I'm not talking the marketing of the team, the team's website,
16:50
Speaker 1: season tickets all. I'm talking specifically gonna tell my general
16:54
Speaker 1: manager who to draft, because that was always the book
16:58
Speaker 1: on Daniel Snyder. They would have a draft board and
17:01
Speaker 1: he would come in the day of the first round
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Speaker 1: and tell you who you're taking. It's like, what we're
17:08
Speaker 1: taking the other guy? No, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: this guy. And when you start doing that, you're gonna
17:12
Speaker 1: have problems. Or Jerry Jones, who always has to be
17:16
Speaker 1: the star of the show. Who's the star of the
17:18
Speaker 1: show in the NFL? Non player it's the coach. Well
17:23
Speaker 1: why and I'm pro Brian Schottenhammer. I'm probably gonna pick
17:26
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. We'll see how training camp goes in injuries,
17:29
Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna pick him to win the division.
17:32
Speaker 1: I really do long way to go, but I think
17:37
Speaker 1: defense is gonna be dramatically improved. I think Caleb Downs
17:42
Speaker 1: is gonna be Rookie of the Year defensively. I think
17:45
Speaker 1: they got a chance to take an enormous step on defense.
17:48
Speaker 1: We already know their offense is good. And listen, it's
17:50
Speaker 1: not like Brian some totally random I mean, fifteen years ago,
17:53
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought he was gonna be a
17:54
Speaker 1: head coach right then, and then things got derailed. But
17:57
Speaker 1: there is no disputing no one knows else was highiring
18:00
Speaker 1: Briden Scheine I would be their head coach. And from
18:02
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, Jerry got cheaper than he would have
18:05
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, who the Bears finally had to give a
18:08
Speaker 1: guy twelve thirteen million dollars a year, never been a
18:10
Speaker 1: head coach. Just like a couple of years ago, the
18:12
Speaker 1: charge like you want Jim Harbaugh. Not only does he
18:14
Speaker 1: cost fifteen million, his defensive coordinator's gonna cost you two
18:17
Speaker 1: or three, like that's the cost of doing business, where
18:20
Speaker 1: before Brandon Staley was making three or four. And again,
18:23
Speaker 1: I don't ever blame Brandon Staley or eber Flus or
18:27
Speaker 1: any of these guys for taking these jobs even if
18:30
Speaker 1: they're making nothing relative to some of their peers. Why
18:33
Speaker 1: because it's still more money than they were making, and
18:35
Speaker 1: it's still becoming a head coach in the league. And
18:38
Speaker 1: if you do a good job, your value speaks for
18:41
Speaker 1: itself and they can't lowball you. But it's a pretty
18:44
Speaker 1: big risk because it does go bad, no one's ever
18:46
Speaker 1: hiring you again. And I think those two examples, like
18:50
Speaker 1: no one's hiring those guys. When it goes bad with
18:52
Speaker 1: the chief organizations, they become kind of untouchable. Look at McCarthy,
18:57
Speaker 1: he's got three jobs now and he's one. So it's
19:01
Speaker 1: not an apples to apples comparison. But if I go
19:04
Speaker 1: work for the Ravens, if I'm Jesse Mentor and I'm
19:07
Speaker 1: not John Harbaugh and we never make it to a
19:09
Speaker 1: super Bowl, but I prove I'm pretty solid, like you'll
19:11
Speaker 1: get another shot, Like he'll be fine, Like even Brian
19:14
Speaker 1: dam I'll work for the Giants. If things go pretty
19:16
Speaker 1: decent in Tennessee, he'll be head coach in a couple
19:18
Speaker 1: of years. Whether he'll end up being good at or not,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he'll definitely get another shot. Why because.
19:27
Speaker 2: Do you work for the giants'll be okay.
19:30
Speaker 1: So I think we got to be very very careful
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Speaker 1: about thinking that these guys are going to come in
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19:41
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19:45
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19:57
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20:09
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20:15
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Speaker 1: John Gruden, who is out of football, pretty good on
22:50
Speaker 1: the Internet. You gotta give John. I mean, he's kind
22:52
Speaker 1: of made for the Internet. Wouldn't mind if he just
22:55
Speaker 1: stays on the Internet and does you know viral videos
22:59
Speaker 1: the rest of his career. The Vinti testaverdie count snap
23:03
Speaker 1: count is truly one of the greatest football pieces of content.
23:08
Speaker 1: And I'm like on the field that the internet has
23:11
Speaker 1: seen the last like four or five years, it's I've
23:13
Speaker 1: watched that thirty times. It's I'm gonna watch it once
23:16
Speaker 1: I finished recording. But Gruden said recently that he desires
23:22
Speaker 1: to do some TV again, but not as an analyst,
23:26
Speaker 1: like not as the seat where you're kind of breaking
23:28
Speaker 1: down what's going on, but the guy doing the play
23:31
Speaker 1: by play. Like he wants to be Mike Rico. He
23:34
Speaker 1: wants to be Joe Buck, you know, he wants to
23:37
Speaker 1: be Marv Albert. And one time in college at cal Pauly,
23:44
Speaker 1: I the head SID who's kind of in charge of
23:51
Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know, I don't even know,
23:52
Speaker 1: like media guides dealing with the coach and the media,
23:55
Speaker 1: and at Cal paul this isn't exactly Alabama football. Me.
24:00
Speaker 1: He's like, we want to do an internet stream? Could
24:03
Speaker 1: you do the play by play? Shit? I love sports.
24:07
Speaker 1: I've been watching it. Yeah, I got like two batters in.
24:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is impossible. Now, obviously Gruden has sat
24:17
Speaker 1: in the Monday Night football booth for almost a decade
24:20
Speaker 1: and the majority of it next to Mike Ico. For
24:23
Speaker 1: those of you that don't know, a part of a
24:25
Speaker 1: huge part of the reason he came back to the
24:27
Speaker 1: NFL was he hated Sean McDonough. He hated working with him,
24:34
Speaker 1: and part of that was the reverence he had for
24:36
Speaker 1: Tariko and their chemistry and everything. He despised going to
24:39
Speaker 1: work and you know, teams were after him, so it
24:42
Speaker 1: was an easy way to pivot. But yeah, I'm not
24:45
Speaker 1: sure he goes back to football if Tarico had never
24:48
Speaker 1: left NBC and and I think Sean McDonough can be
24:52
Speaker 1: all he's I have like a I like dislike relationship
24:58
Speaker 1: with him. Some moments I like him some It's like, bro,
25:00
Speaker 1: it is a little much like you're like running a
25:03
Speaker 1: podcast sometimes when you're calling a game, I don't need
25:06
Speaker 1: all your opinions on everything going on. Just call the
25:09
Speaker 1: game because that's the play by play guy's job. It
25:12
Speaker 1: is also extremely difficult. This is no shot at any
25:17
Speaker 1: analysts because clearly all of us watch games, and especially
25:23
Speaker 1: on Saturdays and Sundays. Saturdays can be a little different.
25:28
Speaker 1: You can actually find random games with like random young guys.
25:32
Speaker 1: They're like, God, this guy's not bad. Right in the NFL,
25:36
Speaker 1: because there's only so many games on Sunday, it's pretty
25:39
Speaker 1: clear who's good and who's bad. And when you're watching
25:42
Speaker 1: a game and if your team is bad, you are
25:44
Speaker 1: getting like the fourth and fifth crew. The analyst can
25:47
Speaker 1: be horrendous. So it's not like just because you played football,
25:51
Speaker 1: I put you in that seat and you're just good. Hell,
25:54
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's first year was terrible, which is understandable because
25:58
Speaker 1: he's literally never done any broadcasting. Was a player the
26:01
Speaker 1: entire time, which has no understanding or comprehension of what
26:06
Speaker 1: the fans think because his number one goal every single
26:09
Speaker 1: year was to play football and to win the Super Bowl.
26:11
Speaker 1: So it's been a transitional period and he's kind of
26:14
Speaker 1: found his footing a little bit, for sure, But it's much.
26:19
Speaker 1: It feels like it should be easy. It is not.
26:22
Speaker 1: I would say calling the game in one of my
26:25
Speaker 1: best friends, guy who married me, I was best man
26:28
Speaker 1: in his wedding. We hosted a radio show before he's
26:31
Speaker 1: been on this podcast. Guy Haberman does play by play.
26:35
Speaker 1: He last year when Greg Papa got sick, he became
26:38
Speaker 1: the voice of the Niners. He's done Major League Baseball
26:41
Speaker 1: games and games for the Kevin Durant Steph Curry Warriors,
26:45
Speaker 1: like he's been doing it his entire life. We went
26:47
Speaker 1: to high school together. When I played high school football,
26:50
Speaker 1: guy called our games. It is one of those professions
26:54
Speaker 1: that most guys that you see on television have been
26:58
Speaker 1: doing it at minimum since they were like a freshman
27:00
Speaker 1: in college. I would say the majority of them were
27:03
Speaker 1: doing something around it, like when they were in junior high,
27:07
Speaker 1: high school, even if it was just for themselves. And
27:09
Speaker 1: this is before the internet, so recording stuff into a
27:12
Speaker 1: recording device. It is very, very difficult because you have
27:16
Speaker 1: to not only call the game, but then basically be
27:20
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson or John Stockton, throw an assist to your partner.
27:23
Speaker 1: So John Gruden, it was reported today, not only wants
27:26
Speaker 1: to do this. I don't know if he's gonna do
27:28
Speaker 1: it on NFL network on ESPN local television because that's
27:31
Speaker 1: you know, preseason games for Tampa Bay. He's going to
27:34
Speaker 1: call a game this preseason for play by play if
27:41
Speaker 1: he can be decent, I mean just decent, not after
27:45
Speaker 1: like the first drive, just be overwhelmed, flubbing his words
27:48
Speaker 1: and just just a disaster. I will be stunned and
27:51
Speaker 1: give him a standing ovation. And I know people that
27:55
Speaker 1: work for him with the Raiders. John Gruden's a grinder,
27:58
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's been a public story for his
28:02
Speaker 1: whole career, how hard he works and what time he
28:03
Speaker 1: gets up. But I have firsthand knowledge of a good
28:06
Speaker 1: buddy of mine that was on a staff. The guy
28:09
Speaker 1: can fucking go now. He also said, you know, I
28:12
Speaker 1: know he gets there at the crack of dawn at
28:13
Speaker 1: like three or four in the morning. John Gruden's not
28:15
Speaker 1: there until midnight. So it's like once it gets like
28:17
Speaker 1: eight or nine, Gruden's pooping out, which is very understandable.
28:21
Speaker 1: But like in terms of grinding, once he gets there
28:24
Speaker 1: till the moment he leaves, like the foot is on
28:26
Speaker 1: the gas. So I'm not gonna act like he's not
28:29
Speaker 1: gonna try, He's gonna mail this in. I just think
28:31
Speaker 1: it's impossible. I don't think this is going to work. Now,
28:35
Speaker 1: you can make the argument like I'm a I would
28:38
Speaker 1: say I was. I don't even care anymore. I love
28:41
Speaker 1: the San Franco Giants and one of their main play
28:44
Speaker 1: by play guys they have like a rotation is Dwayne Kiper,
28:48
Speaker 1: who played Major League baseball, and he can do play
28:51
Speaker 1: by play guy. He can do the analysts. It's pretty rare.
28:54
Speaker 1: Most of the guys calling baseball games in the big
28:56
Speaker 1: leagues are like John Miller, Vincy, Joe Davis. They are
29:01
Speaker 1: just the play by play guy. Pat Summerol when I
29:04
Speaker 1: was a kid with John Madden was a kicker. It's
29:07
Speaker 1: pretty rare. You're not gonna find typically a coach who's
29:11
Speaker 1: been an analyst just be able to do a game
29:13
Speaker 1: on play by play. If he's able to pull it off,
29:17
Speaker 1: it's like one of the great upsets we will ever see.
29:19
Speaker 1: But I know this, and this is I I'm assuming
29:24
Speaker 1: Tampa's gonna have him do it for local television. I'm
29:26
Speaker 1: gonna watch that fucking thing and they're gonna be viral
29:29
Speaker 1: clips going. It's you're gonna get some eyeballs, which I
29:33
Speaker 1: think it's more that than it is, like this guy
29:35
Speaker 1: could be the next Pat Summer All because you're typically
29:38
Speaker 1: not gonna pick up that vocation in your sixties. That's
29:44
Speaker 1: not really the way it works. Uh. Last, but not
29:47
Speaker 1: least before we do some mailbad questions. My dad used
29:50
Speaker 1: to tell me this because like any kid, you're always like,
29:53
Speaker 1: this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. He's doing
29:56
Speaker 1: all with sports, Like this guy's the best player I've
29:58
Speaker 1: ever seen. This is the most insane. You know, when
30:02
Speaker 1: life things are happening, like societal things, you're like, this
30:05
Speaker 1: has never happened before, and he'd be like, yeah, it
30:08
Speaker 1: happened three times so rough out the course of my life.
30:11
Speaker 1: And I think once you put perspective, and this is
30:14
Speaker 1: social media, it's hard to do it because everything feels
30:16
Speaker 1: like the craziest thing ever. It's like, now we've been
30:20
Speaker 1: in some wars before that, there will be more wars
30:23
Speaker 1: later that. There have been crazy political things that happened.
30:26
Speaker 1: There have been crazy you name it inserted. But sometimes
30:30
Speaker 1: something happens you're like, I don't think i've ever seen
30:32
Speaker 1: that before. That Matt Miller, who was NFL draft scout
30:37
Speaker 1: on Twitter. I followed him. I feel like my entire
30:39
Speaker 1: time I've been on the application, I've probably met him
30:44
Speaker 1: a time or two at the combine, but I don't
30:46
Speaker 1: pretend to know him personally. I just this guy's passionate,
30:49
Speaker 1: guy loves the draft. Wanted to be like mel Kiper
30:51
Speaker 1: and started from nothing and went to Bleacher report to ESPN,
30:55
Speaker 1: saw him at the combine, gave him a head nod,
30:58
Speaker 1: walked by him when me and Jackson were doing content.
31:01
Speaker 1: And the story that came out a couple weeks ago
31:04
Speaker 1: that he got into a car accident, was ejected from
31:06
Speaker 1: his bronco and lost his arm. My job hit the floor.
31:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the craziest thing I've ever read. This
31:13
Speaker 1: guy who was just on TV for the draft got
31:16
Speaker 1: ejected from his car, lost his arm, and fucking tore
31:21
Speaker 1: up his knee, broke his ribs. Like Jesus, guy's lucky
31:23
Speaker 1: to be alive. And then within a couple of days,
31:26
Speaker 1: stories are coming out that he's been running like a
31:28
Speaker 1: birdie madeoff Ponzi scheme with fantasy football for like a decade,
31:33
Speaker 1: running all these leagues with fake names, taking in money,
31:37
Speaker 1: not paying out, doing the same thing, running scouting classes,
31:40
Speaker 1: claiming he was gonna, you know, teach you how to
31:42
Speaker 1: do stuff, and then not show up or do a
31:44
Speaker 1: five minute class, and you're like, what did I just
31:46
Speaker 1: pay for? And then today they the video came out
31:51
Speaker 1: of the accident of him basically just driving into a
31:54
Speaker 1: semi You know, I don't know. I don't even want
31:56
Speaker 1: to speculate on what was going on in the car,
32:00
Speaker 1: but it did not go well for him, obviously, and
32:04
Speaker 1: I think a couple of days ago he tweeted out
32:06
Speaker 1: he was on a leave from ESPNAKA this thing's gotten
32:09
Speaker 1: out of control. And it just shows you, you know,
32:12
Speaker 1: the longer you live, you just never fucking know you
32:17
Speaker 1: have no clue what the hell's going on with anyone.
32:23
Speaker 1: I always say this, like, maybe this is equality I've
32:28
Speaker 1: developed as I've gotten older, because when I was younger,
32:30
Speaker 1: I definitely thought and worried what other people thought and
32:32
Speaker 1: were doing. I truly do not care now, but like,
32:36
Speaker 1: I don't try to overanalyze what people are doing behind
32:40
Speaker 1: closed doors because you just do not know. I was
32:44
Speaker 1: around Diana at the combine. She was like, goy, this,
32:46
Speaker 1: she's cool as shit. I was bsing with her and
32:49
Speaker 1: Silver and we're like, where are you guys going? And
32:51
Speaker 1: I'll meet you guys out like we just shut down
32:54
Speaker 1: the bar with Mike Frable. You don't even think anything
32:55
Speaker 1: about it. And then a couple of weeks later, her
32:58
Speaker 1: whole career gets derailed, and then a situation like this,
33:02
Speaker 1: You're like, you can't even make this up. I actually
33:05
Speaker 1: stumbled upon I think we were up in Tahoe and
33:09
Speaker 1: I was kind of sick. We had been drinking during
33:13
Speaker 1: the day for like four straight days. Your boy it
33:15
Speaker 1: doesn't quite have it anymore in his early forties, and
33:19
Speaker 1: it's you know, you're in the sun. It's it's it
33:23
Speaker 1: was like eighty five degrees. You got the altitude, You're
33:26
Speaker 1: starting your mornings off going on like crazy hikes or walks.
33:31
Speaker 1: In my body after like four days, just like I
33:34
Speaker 1: don't know if I got a stomach bug. I definitely
33:35
Speaker 1: didn't quite get the parasite, but I was and I
33:39
Speaker 1: wasn't hungover because it hit me way later in the day.
33:43
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it knocked me
33:45
Speaker 1: on my ass for like three straight days. To make
33:47
Speaker 1: it to this wedding that I attended, I had to
33:49
Speaker 1: go back to back days to the to the IV
33:54
Speaker 1: station just to survive. Like I am not doing well.
33:58
Speaker 1: But I don't even where was I going with that
34:04
Speaker 1: talking about I was being older. Yeah, you just don't know.
34:08
Speaker 1: I don't know where I was going with that story.
34:09
Speaker 1: Shows you I haven't been podcasting in three weeks, and
34:12
Speaker 1: my thought processes are just or not firing on all cylinders.
34:17
Speaker 1: But I guess my overall point is you just you
34:21
Speaker 1: just don't know. You get older. Oh oh, I know
34:24
Speaker 1: where I was going with it is I was better ridden,
34:28
Speaker 1: but you know you're in that state. I see this
34:30
Speaker 1: with a little jack. You're like tired as hell, but
34:33
Speaker 1: you can't sleep. And for whatever reason, my YouTube algorithm
34:37
Speaker 1: knew that, like, oh, this guy should watch Playmakers. And
34:42
Speaker 1: my freshman year in college, ESPN came out of the
34:45
Speaker 1: show Playmakers. Me and my college roommate Ryan Frye, we
34:49
Speaker 1: loved that show. You know why, I understand because I
34:52
Speaker 1: rewatched it. It was incredible, Like the starting running backs
34:56
Speaker 1: doing crack, you got the old guy who's hanging on
34:59
Speaker 1: doing steroids. You got another guy who's like committing suicide.
35:03
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all over the map, and you know what,
35:05
Speaker 1: it's exactly the NFL and and I think it was
35:09
Speaker 1: Tagliabou at the time, they got so mad, like this
35:11
Speaker 1: is so bad, that's football. Honestly, rewatching that, I rewatched
35:15
Speaker 1: about three hours then I kind of skipped through it.
35:19
Speaker 1: Paralleled a lot of situations that happened over the course
35:23
Speaker 1: of the next ten years. After they canceled that show.
35:26
Speaker 1: And look at this. You have a guy that covers
35:30
Speaker 1: the draft for ESPN, a partner of the NFL, getting
35:33
Speaker 1: ejected from his car, which again I don't want to
35:37
Speaker 1: speculate how the collision happened. I got some ideas, but uh,
35:42
Speaker 1: guys missing an arm, so I'm gonna give a little grace.
35:45
Speaker 1: And now the Missouri Attorney General is looking into him
35:49
Speaker 1: for running. And this guy on Reddit that I read
35:52
Speaker 1: did the math. I mean, you're talking hundreds of thousands
35:55
Speaker 1: of dollars of potential scam and just on a personal note,
35:58
Speaker 1: like obviously murderer and pedophilia and all those crimes. Like listen,
36:04
Speaker 1: I'm a capital punishment guy, so like fucking there are
36:08
Speaker 1: certain things, see you, I know, certain states, certain places,
36:12
Speaker 1: certain individuals aren't in agreement, but there are certain things
36:15
Speaker 1: like what are we wasting a painty sending this fucking
36:17
Speaker 1: guy to jail. And then you get into the white
36:19
Speaker 1: collar crime. If you steal people's money, whether it's at
36:23
Speaker 1: the levels of the Birdie Madeoff types or the end
36:26
Speaker 1: Ron types even lowers, when you're talking hundreds of dollars consistently,
36:32
Speaker 1: you are a criminal, scumbag so I'm not assuming anything.
36:37
Speaker 1: You never know. I've never been a big fantasy football guy,
36:40
Speaker 1: so who knows. Maybe if I was, I would have
36:43
Speaker 1: got scammed. But what a fucking story. I mean, you know,
36:48
Speaker 1: the Rasini thing is like salacious. This one is just
36:52
Speaker 1: like this feels a little like playmakers. Let's do some
37:09
Speaker 1: mail back questions at John Middlecoff at John midle Cooff.
37:11
Speaker 1: Is the Instagram fire in those dms? Shows you don't
37:14
Speaker 1: podcast for a little while. You know your brain sequencing
37:18
Speaker 1: of a show and just talking isn't quite firing on
37:21
Speaker 1: the same pistons. Uh, mail back question at John Middcoff
37:25
Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those dms.
37:28
Speaker 1: Get your questions answered here on the show. Longtime listener,
37:32
Speaker 1: love the pod football takes, but also appreciate your down
37:34
Speaker 1: to earth stories about your marriage and being a dad.
37:38
Speaker 1: I know you got married started having kids a little
37:40
Speaker 1: bit later in life. I'm getting married in two months
37:42
Speaker 1: and will be a few days shy of thirty five
37:45
Speaker 1: on the big day, meaning I'll have my first child
37:47
Speaker 1: at thirty six. Not that it really bothers me. I've
37:50
Speaker 1: stayed in pretty good shape and taken care of myself.
37:52
Speaker 1: I don't feel thirty five, but just wondering if that's
37:55
Speaker 1: ever something that bothered you being in a life milestone
37:59
Speaker 1: that probably a lot of your friends went through years ago.
38:02
Speaker 1: It didn't really hit me until recently when I was
38:05
Speaker 1: on my bachelor party and some of my core friends
38:08
Speaker 1: whose weddings I was in couldn't make it because of
38:10
Speaker 1: being busy with kids and family. Totally understood. That just
38:14
Speaker 1: made me realize we're at different places in our life.
38:16
Speaker 1: Is that ever something you went through. I'm gonna give
38:21
Speaker 1: you a story that I over when we were on
38:25
Speaker 1: vacation in Newport on the fourth of July. I got
38:29
Speaker 1: a good buddy that lives down there and a former
38:32
Speaker 1: neighbor of mine who I grew up around in the
38:35
Speaker 1: late nineties early two thousands, and then when I went
38:38
Speaker 1: to cal Poly in two thousand and three, he moved
38:41
Speaker 1: to Sacramento, and over the course of the last twenty
38:44
Speaker 1: years he was in the trucking business. So his business
38:48
Speaker 1: is basically I think he does a lot of mainly agriculture. Right,
38:53
Speaker 1: if you harvest tomatoes, he'll come pick him up and
38:55
Speaker 1: take them to the cannery or wherever you need to
38:57
Speaker 1: do it. I think at this point in time he
38:59
Speaker 1: might even be in other industries. But at the time
39:02
Speaker 1: I felt like a normal guy. Well, currently in twenty
39:06
Speaker 1: twenty six, to say he's successful would be a major understatement.
39:11
Speaker 1: And he's got a sweet pad in Newport Beach on
39:15
Speaker 1: the water, and we have a lot of mutual friends.
39:20
Speaker 1: My brother knows him really well. I haven't seen him
39:22
Speaker 1: in twenty plus years. So I go over to I
39:25
Speaker 1: take Maria Jack to his house. They having a bunch
39:27
Speaker 1: of people over and they're just boozing and we're just
39:30
Speaker 1: having a good time. And right before I left, I went, oh, yeah,
39:33
Speaker 1: this guy some advice. So I grabbed Maria and I
39:36
Speaker 1: call Dave over and I said, before we leave, can
39:39
Speaker 1: you just give me the best advice, your advice you
39:43
Speaker 1: would give someone on either your experience of you know,
39:47
Speaker 1: gaining success or being successful, or just things you see
39:51
Speaker 1: that really stick with you. And the thing he said
39:55
Speaker 1: is he serves on some different boards and he's seen
39:59
Speaker 1: it before. He's a People get so consumed what other
40:02
Speaker 1: people are doing and they try to match them, whether
40:08
Speaker 1: it's financially keeping up with the Joneses, or they get
40:11
Speaker 1: consumed with being I don't know envy or jealousy of
40:16
Speaker 1: other people's lives because of pictures they see, especially now
40:19
Speaker 1: on social media. He said, that's the biggest fucking waste
40:22
Speaker 1: of time. And obviously compare comparing yourself to others like
40:28
Speaker 1: the Thief of Joy, but the amount of people, he said,
40:31
Speaker 1: even successful people he's around that worry so much about others,
40:36
Speaker 1: don't do that because if you just worry about running
40:40
Speaker 1: your own race and focusing on yourself and what you're
40:44
Speaker 1: doing well or things that are happening in your life,
40:47
Speaker 1: you will be much happier. It was pretty simple, and
40:49
Speaker 1: I was like, I've never really had that problem. Part
40:52
Speaker 1: of it like when some of my friends in their
40:55
Speaker 1: late twenties or early thirties had kids. Those people had
40:58
Speaker 1: more stable incomes than me. They were I couldn't have
41:01
Speaker 1: financially afforded having a kid when I was thirty. I mean,
41:05
Speaker 1: I technically, I guess could have figured it out, but
41:07
Speaker 1: I would have like I had asked my parents for money,
41:10
Speaker 1: I would not have been able to do what I'm
41:12
Speaker 1: doing now. It wasn't even possible, let alone. I'd never
41:15
Speaker 1: met someone that I wanted to procreate with. So you're
41:18
Speaker 1: getting married. I would imagine you love her so the
41:22
Speaker 1: way you met her at thirty five instead of twenty eight.
41:24
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that got married also
41:26
Speaker 1: in their twenties. Some of those people are now divorced,
41:30
Speaker 1: have had miserable divorces, and like are financially beholden to
41:37
Speaker 1: that person. So I would just not worry about it
41:43
Speaker 1: at all. We all don't. There is no handbook to
41:46
Speaker 1: life at twenty eight you're supposed to do this at
41:49
Speaker 1: twenty nine or thirty, you're supposed to do this at
41:51
Speaker 1: forty fucking nouns who cares. Just be happy for your
41:56
Speaker 1: friends and ideally they're happy for you, And it's just
42:01
Speaker 1: a good motivation to stay in shape and be healthy,
42:04
Speaker 1: to be technically a little bit older. But it's never
42:09
Speaker 1: crossed my mind once. And part of it I think
42:12
Speaker 1: goes back to like I couldn't, Like there was no
42:15
Speaker 1: way it could have. I guess you just kind of
42:18
Speaker 1: figure it out. But to me, even before the kid,
42:21
Speaker 1: you gotta if you're getting married at thirty five, unless
42:23
Speaker 1: you've been dating her for ten fifteen years, if you've
42:26
Speaker 1: met her within the last three or four years, like,
42:28
Speaker 1: what were you supposed to do if you didn't know her, Like,
42:33
Speaker 1: things are meant to be the way they're meant to
42:34
Speaker 1: be and things just happen. That's kind of the way
42:37
Speaker 1: life works. But I would not worry, and clearly you
42:41
Speaker 1: haven't if you're at this point comparing yourself to others,
42:45
Speaker 1: you know what other people are doing, and especially social media,
42:49
Speaker 1: you talk about a scam. I mean some of the
42:51
Speaker 1: stories sometimes I've heard about other people. We all hear
42:56
Speaker 1: these stories about friends of friends. It's like, what are
42:59
Speaker 1: they doing? They always seem like they're doing this, Like yeah, there.
43:02
Speaker 1: I heard a story a couple of years ago at
43:04
Speaker 1: a buddy's birthday party. This guy there was like thirty
43:08
Speaker 1: people there, different couples. I didn't know the majority of them.
43:11
Speaker 1: And one of the guys I went to college with,
43:13
Speaker 1: we were he's he does well and we were, you know,
43:18
Speaker 1: having a few cocktails over at the corner, and he's
43:21
Speaker 1: in the financial world. He's like, you know, like eighty
43:23
Speaker 1: percent of Because if you see and I follow them,
43:26
Speaker 1: I feel like on Instagram or definitely see a lot
43:29
Speaker 1: of their stuff. I'm like, God, these guys are fucking all.
43:31
Speaker 1: These people are ballers, and these are people are my
43:34
Speaker 1: age so at the time, you know, late thirties, mid thirties,
43:37
Speaker 1: early forties, it's like, yeah, a couple of them are,
43:40
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are on tilt every single month.
43:45
Speaker 1: And that country club membership, that mortgage, they got those
43:49
Speaker 1: you know, couple overpriced cars they're driving around that if
43:55
Speaker 1: one thing goes wrong, they're on a house of cards.
43:57
Speaker 1: But if you just look at their Instagram, you'd think,
43:59
Speaker 1: like Jesus, these guys are fucking hanging out with bezos
44:04
Speaker 1: or something. It's like, no, it's a little fake. So
44:07
Speaker 1: I think you gotta be careful with that. But congratulations.
44:11
Speaker 1: Curious your take on the US men's soccer team. To me,
44:14
Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. Soccer is the fourth or fifth most
44:17
Speaker 1: important sport. Our best athletes play different sports. Compare that
44:20
Speaker 1: to most of other nations who eat, sleep, and breeze soccer.
44:24
Speaker 1: We simply don't care. It's Christian polistic. Even a top
44:28
Speaker 1: hundred athlete in the US, no chance top hundred. You
44:32
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a top hundred athlete in like college football. Uh.
44:38
Speaker 1: I think here's the main problem, because I was thinking
44:41
Speaker 1: about this earlier when Jack took a nap on me
44:44
Speaker 1: around lunch and I was just I was taking some
44:47
Speaker 1: of these screenshots to read later on the show, and
44:50
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this question because I went to
44:56
Speaker 1: Pioneer Elementary. It was I don't know, ten minut bike
45:00
Speaker 1: ride from my house, and we used to have incredible
45:04
Speaker 1: recess football games, basketball games. We used to duct tape
45:07
Speaker 1: the bat and play baseball and stuff. But like when
45:10
Speaker 1: we play those games, who would if we were playing
45:13
Speaker 1: you know, touch football or whatever. You know, back in
45:16
Speaker 1: what year with this man, like ninety five ninety four,
45:19
Speaker 1: someone wanted to be Brett Favre. Someone wanted to be
45:23
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, someone wanted to be EMMITTT. Smith, Barry Sanders.
45:29
Speaker 1: If we played baseball, it's like you wanted to be
45:30
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, Ken Griffy Junior, Nolan Ryan, you know, you
45:35
Speaker 1: name it right, Basketball, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley. It's like
45:38
Speaker 1: that's who you and if you ever just played whatever,
45:41
Speaker 1: that's who you thought about. I remember in Little League
45:43
Speaker 1: trying to do a batting stance like Jay Buhner of
45:46
Speaker 1: the Seattle Mariners, which is might have been a precursor
45:51
Speaker 1: because I ended up kind of looking like him with
45:53
Speaker 1: no hair. And there's like the greatest video I've ever
45:58
Speaker 1: seen you, Seattle Mariner would know it on Ken Griffy
46:01
Speaker 1: Junior's night of retirement in Seattle. I don't know when
46:05
Speaker 1: this was within the last five ten years. All his
46:08
Speaker 1: former teammates are sitting behind him and he and he
46:11
Speaker 1: gave this speech and he was like in tears. He
46:13
Speaker 1: said the best thing I could say about Jay Buner
46:16
Speaker 1: that if anything were ever happened to me and my wife,
46:18
Speaker 1: I'd want Jay to raise my kids. And it's like
46:20
Speaker 1: God just hit you kind of like deep, and it
46:22
Speaker 1: makes you emotionally, You're like God, I want to be
46:24
Speaker 1: like Jay Buner. So I was on the right guy.
46:26
Speaker 1: But my point is, if you grow up in Spain,
46:32
Speaker 1: or in England, or in Argentina or in Brazil, you
46:37
Speaker 1: aspire to be Harry Kane or Ronaldo or Messi or
46:44
Speaker 1: whoever your favorite player is on the soccer team. So
46:48
Speaker 1: enough of those people. Some of those people are gonna
46:51
Speaker 1: be great athletes and they're gonna play soccer their whole life.
46:55
Speaker 1: Where when you turn on this fall LSU playing Clemson,
47:00
Speaker 1: those guys playing in that college football game ten years
47:03
Speaker 1: ago dreamed of being Tom Brady, of being Aaron Donald
47:09
Speaker 1: of being whoever. So since they were little kids, well
47:14
Speaker 1: before high school, they have been aspiring to be that person.
47:18
Speaker 1: So when I hear this argument, which is huge this
47:21
Speaker 1: time of year, it always is like, culturally, we don't care. Yeah, culturally,
47:26
Speaker 1: our youth looks up and dreams about forever. It was
47:31
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, then it was Kobe Bryant, and then it's
47:33
Speaker 1: Lebron Steph, you name it right. So I think that
47:40
Speaker 1: impacts it enormously. Now, if we could ever get which
47:44
Speaker 1: I don't know how, we would our own messy, I
47:48
Speaker 1: think that would help, but it sure doesn't feels like
47:52
Speaker 1: we are remotely close to having that. I think that
47:56
Speaker 1: matters a lot. Can you imagine over the last fifteen
48:00
Speaker 1: years how many people Steph Curry has influenced in the
48:04
Speaker 1: sport of basketball? Literally everyone under like thirty five on
48:08
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour says they idolized Tiger Woods the internet.
48:14
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy said, I wanted to be a pro golfer
48:16
Speaker 1: when I watched Tiger Woods when I think it was
48:18
Speaker 1: like the British Open or the US Open. When when
48:21
Speaker 1: Rory was like five years old, the Nike did a
48:24
Speaker 1: commercial on it. So you want you admire, like that's
48:31
Speaker 1: kind of what you chase in life. And obviously, you
48:34
Speaker 1: know in sports, a lot of those people just aren't
48:37
Speaker 1: gonna have the talent to keep moving up. We're in
48:39
Speaker 1: business or you know, other I would say walks like
48:47
Speaker 1: different industries, walks of life. You can kind of figure
48:50
Speaker 1: it out even if you don't have quote unquote the talent,
48:52
Speaker 1: like you either the baseline of talent you have to
48:56
Speaker 1: ever play on a national team and these sports is
49:00
Speaker 1: it's through the roof. But all those kids, I would
49:04
Speaker 1: imagine majority of them shared in common, like they got
49:07
Speaker 1: into it very very young. It's pretty rare. Like the
49:11
Speaker 1: dude the Warriors drafted y Axle from Michigan, I don't
49:13
Speaker 1: think you played high school basketball. That's abnormal. So I
49:18
Speaker 1: would say, I people arguing with Alexi Lawless about how
49:22
Speaker 1: much it costs for you themes, I can't even pretend
49:25
Speaker 1: to know anything about that. I think it starts way
49:29
Speaker 1: before that starts about idolizing people at the top. Now,
49:34
Speaker 1: if maybe because of the World Cup people start, you know,
49:37
Speaker 1: do people gonna ard idolize like Harry Kane and Messi
49:40
Speaker 1: and Bape. Probably not, because it's not like we watch
49:44
Speaker 1: those guys consistently on television, But you know who's on
49:46
Speaker 1: TV for the last twenty years, Lebron, James, Tom Brady,
49:51
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Why is it so widely accepted that slot
49:55
Speaker 1: corner is less valuable than outside corner? Seems to me
49:58
Speaker 1: that slot corner is a way harder and thus a
50:01
Speaker 1: good one should be more valuable. Uh. I would imagine
50:05
Speaker 1: if we broke down the numbers, if I'm Patrick Tartan
50:10
Speaker 1: or Darryl Reeves or Richard Sherman, the majority of the time,
50:14
Speaker 1: your best wide receiver, the best wide receivers in the
50:17
Speaker 1: league are going to line up outside Jefferson, Chase, Ceedee, Lamb. Now,
50:22
Speaker 1: all all those guys are versatile players. They can bounce inside,
50:27
Speaker 1: but you're just going up against a higher priced guy
50:31
Speaker 1: more consistently. So it's just an economic exercise. So the
50:35
Speaker 1: slot corner, which matters big time, and obviously the slot
50:40
Speaker 1: wide receivers tight ends line up in that area, and
50:43
Speaker 1: depending on how you run your defense, maybe that guy
50:44
Speaker 1: covers the tight end, maybe does not. But I think
50:47
Speaker 1: it has to do more with more consistently you're gonna
50:50
Speaker 1: play better players on the outside. Now that act could
50:53
Speaker 1: change over time, but like close your eyes and think
50:56
Speaker 1: of a lot of the big plays of Puka. Of
50:59
Speaker 1: a lot of these, it does come when they're lined
51:01
Speaker 1: up outside. Again that maybe that statistically changes over time,
51:06
Speaker 1: but it's also a different skill set right. As a
51:10
Speaker 1: slot corner, you need to be a couple things. One,
51:15
Speaker 1: you gotta play the run because you are basically on
51:20
Speaker 1: the edge. So a good quarterback if your slot corner
51:25
Speaker 1: will not tackle, we'll check into runs and come your way.
51:29
Speaker 1: The other thing is you're changing direction, your short area quickness,
51:34
Speaker 1: you're kind of moving in a phone booth. So the
51:38
Speaker 1: outside corner skill set is often different. It's why great
51:43
Speaker 1: players can do it all, but a lot of times,
51:46
Speaker 1: like you have a guy designated for that spot, you
51:50
Speaker 1: gotta be tough as shit. It's it's you don't necessarily
51:54
Speaker 1: have to be a great tackler to play corner. You
51:57
Speaker 1: do have to be a good tackler and a physical
51:59
Speaker 1: player to play slot. Another USA Soccer question. Because the
52:07
Speaker 1: World Cup expanded to forty eight compared to thirty two,
52:10
Speaker 1: unfortunately we still lost the same spot as the past.
52:13
Speaker 1: The skill level may be there, but mentality it doesn't
52:16
Speaker 1: look to be a part, or the pressure is still
52:18
Speaker 1: too much. They played timid and showed early. It may
52:21
Speaker 1: seem like we caught up, but in reality we're still
52:23
Speaker 1: behind the big dogs. I had mentioned this before the
52:27
Speaker 1: thing even started. I said, I Am not going to
52:31
Speaker 1: get fooled. I've seen this song and dance as a
52:35
Speaker 1: non soccer guy every four years. This is the year.
52:38
Speaker 1: And then a guy dm me he said, this is
52:39
Speaker 1: the most talented team we ever had, John. And then
52:42
Speaker 1: you're watching the first couple of games like eeah, guys, right,
52:45
Speaker 1: and then you watch that last game and you're like,
52:49
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it looked like. It feels like every
52:52
Speaker 1: every time. I think the bigger issue this time was
52:58
Speaker 1: it was so evident throughout this tournament of I know
53:02
Speaker 1: France actually lost earlier today, but the elite guys in
53:06
Speaker 1: this tournament, it's like, god damn. It's like I'm watching,
53:09
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan, like on four or five different teams,
53:12
Speaker 1: and you watch us, You're like, well, we don't have
53:14
Speaker 1: that guy. So if you don't have that guy, because
53:18
Speaker 1: like the crazy thing about soccer, like in football, it's
53:23
Speaker 1: pretty rare. If you're getting your ass kicked that you're
53:26
Speaker 1: down like ten to nothing after half. If I said,
53:29
Speaker 1: if I just said, we're watching an NFL game, I
53:32
Speaker 1: just get to describe it to you. You're gonna watch
53:35
Speaker 1: an NFL game. Quarterbacks gonna throw multiple interceptions, they're gonna
53:42
Speaker 1: miss a ton of tackles. It's gonna be one of
53:45
Speaker 1: the worst performances offensive and defensively of the year, and
53:48
Speaker 1: they're just gonna the other team is outgained them by
53:51
Speaker 1: two hundred plus yards. What would you guess the score
53:54
Speaker 1: would be Conservatively, you'd be like seventeen nothing, twenty nothing,
54:01
Speaker 1: twenty four to three. We're in soccer, you can get
54:05
Speaker 1: worked and it'd be like one nothing. So you're like
54:10
Speaker 1: still in Like at twenty four to three, you're not
54:11
Speaker 1: really in the game, like you got to make a
54:13
Speaker 1: couple of things happen. Like at one nothing, you're just
54:16
Speaker 1: you're right there. Thing with soccer, you're never really out
54:20
Speaker 1: of it unless you're getting absolutely trounced. But even if
54:23
Speaker 1: it's like two nothing in the first half, well you're
54:26
Speaker 1: just an early goal. In the second half, all of
54:27
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's two to one. And I think that's
54:31
Speaker 1: where soccer can kind of mess with you. Can we
54:36
Speaker 1: end close. The NFL is obviously the biggest it's ever
54:43
Speaker 1: been before. What do you think is the biggest factor
54:46
Speaker 1: contributing to that? Why do you think the NBA, for example,
54:50
Speaker 1: has fallen behind? Do you think the NFL's success and
54:53
Speaker 1: the NBA in WNBA's constant blunders show that having a
54:57
Speaker 1: sound commissioner matters a lot. I think the WNBA, I mean,
55:06
Speaker 1: give me a fucking break. You know the Dan Patrick
55:09
Speaker 1: went viral because he called out the commissioner. Do you
55:11
Speaker 1: know what hit me on the call out of the
55:13
Speaker 1: commission Everyone that plays in the Tahoe Tournament. If you're
55:16
Speaker 1: a football player, camp starts in a couple weeks. If
55:20
Speaker 1: you're a baseball player, you can't play because your season's
55:23
Speaker 1: going on. Unless you're retired basketball players, they can play, right. Actors,
55:28
Speaker 1: comedians obviously, if they don't got stuff going on, they're available.
55:32
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley's available. Why NBA season is over? If the
55:36
Speaker 1: playoffs were going on in the NBA, Charles Barkley would
55:39
Speaker 1: not be available. I'm pretty sure that the WNBA commissioner
55:44
Speaker 1: is the only celebrity in that grip. I wouldn't even
55:47
Speaker 1: call her celebrity by all accounts. She feels like completely
55:51
Speaker 1: overhead and most industries would have got shit canned a
55:53
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Her league's going on, like shouldn't
55:58
Speaker 1: you kind of be working, like you know who's probably
56:01
Speaker 1: not playing in the celebrity golf tournament in October. Goodell, so,
56:07
Speaker 1: I part of what made David Stern really good and
56:11
Speaker 1: again the world was different, is like he would make
56:13
Speaker 1: a decision, he would be aggressive. The Kawhi Leonard story
56:17
Speaker 1: that broke whatever was it last week earlier this week
56:22
Speaker 1: free agency started, he got traded as this investigation was
56:27
Speaker 1: going on, and then like a week later they're like, oh,
56:29
Speaker 1: the thing's on hold. You either put the thing on
56:33
Speaker 1: hold before free agency starts, like he's not available, or
56:38
Speaker 1: you don't do anything. What they did is an embarrassment,
56:41
Speaker 1: and that's a reflection of Adam Silver, who just feels
56:44
Speaker 1: like he's terrified to ever make decisions. And I think
56:49
Speaker 1: the one thing, Goodell, listen, it hasn't been perfect, and
56:53
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, these people work for
56:54
Speaker 1: the owners, but like, sometimes he's got to make a decision.
56:58
Speaker 1: But relative to all that, NBA basketball games don't matter
57:02
Speaker 1: in the regular season. It's literally a different support. The
57:06
Speaker 1: Knicks didn't just win seventy games, they became dramatically better
57:09
Speaker 1: team when the playoff started. They did not look like
57:12
Speaker 1: that in the regular season. If they did, they would
57:14
Speaker 1: have been the one seed in the heavy fairs. But
57:16
Speaker 1: the regular season no longer matters. It's literally kind of irrelevant. Hell,
57:20
Speaker 1: majority of teams are tanking were in football because of
57:24
Speaker 1: the and part of the reason it's irrelevant is there's
57:27
Speaker 1: eighty two games season too long, so the players don't
57:30
Speaker 1: care well, a ton of teams don't even try. Even
57:35
Speaker 1: healthy players get sat for games, and it's just it's
57:38
Speaker 1: not a great product. I mean, this year, the product was,
57:42
Speaker 1: by all accounts, I think universally agreed upon, the worst
57:44
Speaker 1: season the history of the league. The regular season, So
57:47
Speaker 1: the worst NBA regular season in modern history. I mean,
57:50
Speaker 1: I can't speak for like the sixties and the seventies,
57:52
Speaker 1: but like since Magic and Bird came in the league,
57:55
Speaker 1: that's the worst season in the NBA. And that that's
57:59
Speaker 1: on Adam Silver or started getting shoved around in the NFL.
58:03
Speaker 1: The one thing that benefits them is like if a
58:05
Speaker 1: player can play, they're playing. Baker Mayfield had pretty major
58:11
Speaker 1: knee injuries and just kept playing throughout the season because
58:14
Speaker 1: that's what you do. That's not what you do in
58:18
Speaker 1: even in baseball you get a little injury, it's one thing.
58:20
Speaker 1: If you get a major injury, like what Aaron Judge,
58:22
Speaker 1: he break a rib or something, something happened internally, like
58:25
Speaker 1: he's been out like three months, clearly he can't play.
58:28
Speaker 1: But in baseball, like you know, kind of banged up, like, hey,
58:31
Speaker 1: just take the series off. No one's like, hey, it's
58:34
Speaker 1: Week four against the Steelers. I'm just I'm just gonna
58:37
Speaker 1: take the day off, coach. It's not the way the
58:40
Speaker 1: thing works at all. So I think that I think
58:44
Speaker 1: the urgency of the games, the importance of the games.
58:48
Speaker 1: I also think there are some parallels to the sports
58:50
Speaker 1: and society, or the sport in society. Like most human
58:54
Speaker 1: beings are not the boss, someone's telling you what to do.
58:58
Speaker 1: That's kind of football. Every player kind of gets yelled at,
59:02
Speaker 1: gets disciplined, held accountable. It's kind of the way we operate.
59:07
Speaker 1: Right if you don't perform, guess what happens. A lot
59:09
Speaker 1: of places, you get fired. Most of our jobs are
59:12
Speaker 1: not the government. You're not just on a scholarship Obviously
59:15
Speaker 1: there's some big corporate America where people hide, but for
59:18
Speaker 1: most of us, if we do not perform, we will
59:20
Speaker 1: go under, you know. And if football player like you
59:24
Speaker 1: don't perform, you will eventually get cut or replaced or benched.
59:29
Speaker 1: I just think it's the most relatable operation everything going on.
59:33
Speaker 1: And obviously in twenty twenty six, attention spans, if you're
59:38
Speaker 1: a diehard, you pick the team Miami Dolphins, New York Giants,
59:42
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, Dallas Cowboys. You really just need three hours
59:47
Speaker 1: a week, not a question, just a bit of elaboration
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Speaker 1: on your Monday pod. On the Node Kolsha, I think
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Speaker 1: I think there are three distinct types of rich finance guys.
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Speaker 1: The Node Seattle owner is a venture capitalist, a key
1:00:20
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Speaker 1: big part of LBO are turnarounds, So he buys the
1:00:40
Speaker 1: Commanders and cleans house and installs the right people. Tepper
1:00:46
Speaker 1: is a hedge fund guy and an activist. He looks
1:00:50
Speaker 1: at screens, picks companies to bully, but he doesn't actually
1:00:56
Speaker 1: execute anything. He just buys low and he sells high.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: Small sample size, But clearly Harris had a better start
1:01:04
Speaker 1: to his ownership than Temper. I think an interesting question
1:01:08
Speaker 1: is how much of the record setting price the Node
1:01:11
Speaker 1: paid is just scarcity and how much is paying a
1:01:15
Speaker 1: premium for a premium organization. It would have been interesting
1:01:20
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals or the Jets came at the on
1:01:24
Speaker 1: the market at the same time as Seattle Phoenix. Obviously
1:01:29
Speaker 1: New York are bigger markets, but the incumbent ownership in
1:01:32
Speaker 1: both places are clown shows. That's a great education. I'm
1:01:39
Speaker 1: trying to think of the Temper. What's the guy's name,
1:01:43
Speaker 1: Gordon Gecko, I think was about him. He bought the airline.
1:01:47
Speaker 1: I watched an HBO documentary on the guy. But I
1:01:50
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. And Silicon Valley's full a lot
1:01:53
Speaker 1: of injure capitalists in Silicon Valley, obviously that invest in
1:01:56
Speaker 1: these companies. It's actually how Joe Lacob made his money.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: They got in I was playing golf with a guy
1:02:04
Speaker 1: kind of in the industry who's older, very successful guy,
1:02:07
Speaker 1: and was you know. I think one of Lacub's he
1:02:11
Speaker 1: was a partner in a firm of like two or
1:02:12
Speaker 1: three guys. One of their big bets was like I
1:02:18
Speaker 1: wanted I almost had Facebook, but it might have been Google.
1:02:20
Speaker 1: It was like when Google was in the garage. I
1:02:24
Speaker 1: feel like it wasn't Google. It was like Google. Facebook
1:02:27
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't Apple, but it's one of the top like
1:02:29
Speaker 1: five or six companies. But it was like when they
1:02:31
Speaker 1: were at the garage stage, it's like, oh, you need
1:02:34
Speaker 1: two hunder Grant. It's a game changing for the business. Uh.
1:02:40
Speaker 1: I think everything depends the New York Jets because of
1:02:45
Speaker 1: the New York market, their massive fan base. I think
1:02:49
Speaker 1: would go for like the same price, would go for
1:02:51
Speaker 1: like nine or ten billion dollars. I think the Cardinals
1:02:55
Speaker 1: would go for dramatically less, even though this is a
1:02:59
Speaker 1: growing market. In ten twenty thirty years, the greater Scottsdale
1:03:04
Speaker 1: Phoenix market is going to be infinitely bigger. It's got
1:03:09
Speaker 1: a lot of outer towner's fan base. This isn't LA.
1:03:14
Speaker 1: I think that number would be dramatically different. The stadium
1:03:17
Speaker 1: situation sucks. And again when I say dramatically different, I'm
1:03:23
Speaker 1: five or six, and who knows, maybe it would go
1:03:26
Speaker 1: higher just because, like you said, of scarcity. By all accounts,
1:03:30
Speaker 1: this guy bought the team for his kid. I was
1:03:35
Speaker 1: texting with Haverman today about something, and he's like, do
1:03:39
Speaker 1: you think that's the greatest gift a father has ever
1:03:43
Speaker 1: given a son? And I was thinking about that, not
1:03:47
Speaker 1: like advice, you know, not like life lessons. I'm talking
1:03:52
Speaker 1: just a tangible gift. But there have been a lot
1:03:55
Speaker 1: of rich dads that gave their kids money. But this guy,
1:04:00
Speaker 1: the Node got rich in like the early eighties, So
1:04:03
Speaker 1: if his kid's like forty forty five years old, I
1:04:06
Speaker 1: would imagine he's somewhere around my age dad's seventy one,
1:04:09
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit younger. He's been filthy rich his
1:04:11
Speaker 1: whole life, so just leaving him money like it's now
1:04:15
Speaker 1: his money, but he's probably been living like a king
1:04:18
Speaker 1: for a long long time. But Vanode's kid worked interned
1:04:24
Speaker 1: and did some work for the forty nine ers in
1:04:26
Speaker 1: their football office years ago, So clearly the guy really
1:04:30
Speaker 1: likes football, and then your dad buys you a team.
1:04:34
Speaker 1: I remember begging my dad for a sega when I
1:04:37
Speaker 1: was probably like between the ages of ten, and twelve.
1:04:41
Speaker 1: I really want to sega Genesis so bad. And then
1:04:44
Speaker 1: one morning we used to probably put up the tree.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: A couple weeks before Christmas. They had a little Christmas
1:04:50
Speaker 1: tree lot kind of right around the corner from my
1:04:52
Speaker 1: house that's now actually a car wash. One of my
1:04:58
Speaker 1: brother knows the guy that it owns a car wash.
1:05:01
Speaker 1: I think that things a cash cow a little bit
1:05:03
Speaker 1: better than the tree lot. It was just an empty
1:05:04
Speaker 1: dirt lot. But he uh, I want him to say Genesis.
1:05:09
Speaker 1: And I saw the box wrapped him, like, oh my god,
1:05:11
Speaker 1: he got it. Well, you know back in the night
1:05:14
Speaker 1: and Asia boy would kind of go over to the
1:05:16
Speaker 1: Christmas tree when your parents are either out of the
1:05:18
Speaker 1: house or at work or whatever, and I did you
1:05:21
Speaker 1: little scissors, little razor, and peek at what it was.
1:05:24
Speaker 1: It was this like electronic geography map. I I don't
1:05:30
Speaker 1: remember if I cried. I was devastated. It's like this
1:05:35
Speaker 1: thing you put these like you know Spain or Europe
1:05:39
Speaker 1: or China, and it like you. My dad wanted me
1:05:45
Speaker 1: to be smart so bad, In said, I just became
1:05:47
Speaker 1: a podcaster, but all I wanted to do was play
1:05:50
Speaker 1: like Sonic the Hedgehog and that did not happen because
1:05:53
Speaker 1: I did not get a Sega. I got a geography map.
1:05:57
Speaker 1: It was electronic. That's I don't think I ever used it. Jack.
1:06:02
Speaker 1: I want to do that to you, but I don't
1:06:04
Speaker 1: think your mom's gonna let you be a gamer, So
1:06:05
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna do. Uh love the
1:06:10
Speaker 1: pod random Baseball thought I had with all the All
1:06:12
Speaker 1: Star Game happening. If Baseball got rid of twenty five
1:06:14
Speaker 1: percent of their teams, would the league actually be more popular?
1:06:18
Speaker 1: The talent would be more concentrated to every roster laneup.
1:06:21
Speaker 1: See again, this is the thing that these other sports
1:06:24
Speaker 1: battle is not. Obviously they are shitty teams. You know,
1:06:28
Speaker 1: they are loaded teams, But like when you play every
1:06:31
Speaker 1: day in the way our society is currently constructed, it's
1:06:38
Speaker 1: just not gonna work for us. I mean, if you're
1:06:40
Speaker 1: a diehard baseball guy, I'm sure you're paying attention, like
1:06:42
Speaker 1: a Yankee fan or Dodger fan, you have the game
1:06:45
Speaker 1: on in the back. But it's just I don't think
1:06:50
Speaker 1: it's about the amount of teams. I don't think it's
1:06:52
Speaker 1: an amount of the talent spread out. I just saw
1:06:55
Speaker 1: Jim Tomay's kid got drafted the White Sox fyll accounts.
1:06:59
Speaker 1: You know again, I've had a lot of time on
1:07:01
Speaker 1: my hands recently. Draft. They're in first place, they have
1:07:05
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. They drafted dude from UCLA,
1:07:08
Speaker 1: which I just saw got the biggest signing bonus in
1:07:10
Speaker 1: the history of baseball, ten and a half million dollars,
1:07:12
Speaker 1: and'd be like, ten and a half million dollars, that's
1:07:14
Speaker 1: not that much, And I started thinking about it, Like
1:07:16
Speaker 1: in basketball and baseball, if I draft aj Demasa or
1:07:19
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, obviously the bonns is gonna start immediately for
1:07:23
Speaker 1: the Wizards. You know, in theory Fernando is too, but
1:07:27
Speaker 1: like you draft him to be a franchise quarterback, play
1:07:31
Speaker 1: early on, maybe not Week one, but like the rest
1:07:33
Speaker 1: of his career. In baseball, there's no guarantee that the
1:07:36
Speaker 1: number one overall pick ever makes it the big leagues.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: That's the shitty part about baseball. It's like, it's why
1:07:41
Speaker 1: the draft doesn't matter. It's like I'm supposed to get
1:07:43
Speaker 1: excited about a guy that I might never see remember.
1:07:45
Speaker 1: It's like, what's Kyler Murray gonna choose? Well, do you
1:07:49
Speaker 1: think that's the number one pick? For the Arizona Cardinals.
1:07:51
Speaker 1: That basically makes him the immediate starting quarterback. Or you
1:07:54
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go ride a fucking bus from New
1:07:57
Speaker 1: Mexico to North Dakota to play a game in front
1:07:59
Speaker 1: of seventeen people, I'll promise you this, he's gonna choose football,
1:08:04
Speaker 1: and he chose football, and financially it's the best decision
1:08:06
Speaker 1: he's ever made. And also, if you can't at the curveball,
1:08:09
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have made it pass like double a wind
1:08:13
Speaker 1: on this again, a lot of like personal questions here.
1:08:16
Speaker 1: Finally introduce my wife to my NorCal neck of the
1:08:20
Speaker 1: woods between Sack and Tahoe. Question out of curiosity for
1:08:24
Speaker 1: the dds, I think that means the dad diaries, not
1:08:27
Speaker 1: the designated drivers. Did you or your wife get a
1:08:30
Speaker 1: full blown physical prior to getting pregnant in order to
1:08:33
Speaker 1: have better peace of mind before hand for the baby's
1:08:37
Speaker 1: potential health question mark, I take health and hygiene seriously,
1:08:41
Speaker 1: but my wife is on another level. She's new to
1:08:43
Speaker 1: this country. While I'm familiar with having classmates in middle
1:08:46
Speaker 1: school pregnant growing up, been there, buddy, not me personally,
1:08:51
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I say we'll be fine.
1:08:54
Speaker 1: She insists it's a must. It's a good concern to have.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: But curious question for football all, should the Niners sign
1:09:01
Speaker 1: a second pass rusher outside of Bosa? I take it.
1:09:04
Speaker 1: I bet my guys from like fulsome fulsom or Plasterville
1:09:07
Speaker 1: would be my guess. We did not. We just got married.
1:09:13
Speaker 1: A month later. Boy hadnter Burtain knocked up? Uh? You
1:09:16
Speaker 1: know she was pretty dialed in though on the app.
1:09:19
Speaker 1: I just it shows you how little men know. I
1:09:23
Speaker 1: assumed you could just get pregnant. I mean, basically I
1:09:26
Speaker 1: had some idea certain times of the month, but for
1:09:29
Speaker 1: the most part, like the majority of the month. I mean,
1:09:33
Speaker 1: if you're fertile, you're fertile. That is not the way
1:09:36
Speaker 1: it works at all, according to I guess science. So
1:09:41
Speaker 1: there are certain times when you got to be a
1:09:44
Speaker 1: little more active. It actually becomes a little bit more
1:09:46
Speaker 1: I would imagine if you had to do it for
1:09:48
Speaker 1: a long time, it would be a little weird. But
1:09:50
Speaker 1: I don't know. We just we just got pregnant. And
1:09:53
Speaker 1: just the weird thing is is that first time you
1:09:56
Speaker 1: go to the doctor where they check like the limbs
1:10:00
Speaker 1: and how the heart is and if the baby's gonna
1:10:02
Speaker 1: make it. It's kind of exhilarating. I remember sweating. I
1:10:07
Speaker 1: remember like I was like, I gotta can I leave
1:10:09
Speaker 1: the room and pace. So we did not do that. Now,
1:10:14
Speaker 1: I don't know if the thing you're talking about is
1:10:17
Speaker 1: able to figure that out, because obviously, once you get pregnant,
1:10:21
Speaker 1: they can within I forget the exact however, many weeks, months,
1:10:25
Speaker 1: a couple of months, they can get some basic things
1:10:28
Speaker 1: and know right away the health levels, certain other things.
1:10:33
Speaker 1: But we did none of that. No, I'm a little
1:10:40
Speaker 1: bit more of a wing it guy, Like if you
1:10:43
Speaker 1: gave me that option, I think I just like, well,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: it's out of my control, so I'm gonna let it
1:10:49
Speaker 1: be because I'm with you. It's like, if it's meant
1:10:51
Speaker 1: to be, it's meant to be. If it's not, it's not.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like fertility struggles and stuff. I'm
1:10:58
Speaker 1: just simply talking about, like, I don't know, if you
1:11:03
Speaker 1: just so much unknown, I would just try to get
1:11:07
Speaker 1: pregnant see what happens. But that's me. I mean, it's
1:11:10
Speaker 1: not every Maria was dead set. I'm like, we got
1:11:12
Speaker 1: to see pictures, so we went to this. I think
1:11:15
Speaker 1: I told this story the secondary, you know, ultrasound place
1:11:19
Speaker 1: where they try to take pictures. It's like he wouldn't
1:11:22
Speaker 1: even move his head so we couldn't see his face.
1:11:24
Speaker 1: I like, that's the biggest waste of one hundred and
1:11:25
Speaker 1: fifty dollars in a thirty five minute car ride I've
1:11:28
Speaker 1: ever had in my entire life. But I never would
1:11:30
Speaker 1: have done that. But again, the baby's not sitting in
1:11:32
Speaker 1: my belly, and it's a different relationship. So I mean,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: if it's not, if it means a lot to her,
1:11:42
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the craziest thing to acquiesce to
1:11:46
Speaker 1: those demands. But I also me personally, I don't think
1:11:52
Speaker 1: it's I wouldn't do it. Niners pass Rusher. You know.
1:12:00
Speaker 1: It's funny. Deebo just opened up this it's called like
1:12:04
Speaker 1: nineteen Problems. It was like, I know that was his
1:12:07
Speaker 1: nickname and like his Twitter handles. I don't know if
1:12:09
Speaker 1: i'd call my bar nineteen proms. But down in like
1:12:12
Speaker 1: old town Scottsdale. And Maria asked probably like a week ago,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: because she saw some on Instagram that I don't know
1:12:18
Speaker 1: if it was opening night or they were having a
1:12:20
Speaker 1: party there. They're like, it's Deebo on a team, Like no,
1:12:23
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you mean he's not on a team.
1:12:24
Speaker 1: It's like it's like almost football season. I'm like, well, yeah,
1:12:27
Speaker 1: some of these older veteran guys, you know, they're getting
1:12:31
Speaker 1: They're used to making a lot of money. These teams
1:12:33
Speaker 1: are offering them nothing. It's it's worth their while to
1:12:37
Speaker 1: wait a little bit into training camp. Hopefully they're basically
1:12:40
Speaker 1: rooting for someone to like shatter a lake, you know,
1:12:42
Speaker 1: or tearing acl or tarn Achilles, and then they get
1:12:44
Speaker 1: a call and they'll be like, you know, I know,
1:12:46
Speaker 1: remember when you offered me two million, I'm gonna need six.
1:12:50
Speaker 1: But I think there are a lot of quote unquote
1:12:53
Speaker 1: names Bosa. I think I saw a rumor, I feel
1:12:58
Speaker 1: like it within the last month that he might retire.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: Someone say that, you know, Keenan Allen, I don't think
1:13:02
Speaker 1: he's on a team. Debo's not on a team. So
1:13:05
Speaker 1: you see a lot of these guys that I think
1:13:09
Speaker 1: will end up places over the course of my guess
1:13:13
Speaker 1: would be early August. Some of them will have to
1:13:16
Speaker 1: go work out for teams to make sure they're in shape,
1:13:19
Speaker 1: but then they will they will sign for a lot
1:13:22
Speaker 1: less money than they're used to making more than likely,
1:13:26
Speaker 1: But I don't really think. Sometimes you kind of gotta
1:13:28
Speaker 1: get lucky, you know. Part of turning your franchise around
1:13:33
Speaker 1: is like starting to hit on some random guys, you know,
1:13:37
Speaker 1: for as great as how he is. I was watching
1:13:40
Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago they had like a there
1:13:44
Speaker 1: was nothing on television. I mean it was bad. So
1:13:47
Speaker 1: I watched the All Star Game, like Ryan Howard versus
1:13:53
Speaker 1: Jimmy Rawlins, And on Ryan Howard's team they had Jordan Mylotta,
1:13:58
Speaker 1: who Ryan Howard is massive. Jordan my Lotta makes Ryan
1:14:01
Speaker 1: Howard look like a normal human being.
1:14:04
Speaker 2: Like they found Jordan my Lotta in the seventh round,
1:14:07
Speaker 2: like the forty nine ers found Rock Purty in the
1:14:08
Speaker 2: seventh round. Like sometimes it's like where'd you find some
1:14:11
Speaker 2: of these d linemen? Well, we traded for this guy
1:14:13
Speaker 2: during training camp for a seventh round pick. We drafted
1:14:16
Speaker 2: this guy in the sixth round, and they're just really
1:14:18
Speaker 2: solid players all of a sudden, a couple of years
1:14:20
Speaker 2: after drafting, it's like where did you're?
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Like the Rams, where'd you get this guy? Byron Young,
1:14:26
Speaker 1: Puka Nakua, like Landman, It's like you start, you just
1:14:29
Speaker 1: got to hit on. Not everyone's gonna be a top
1:14:32
Speaker 1: ten pick that everyone knows about. You're gonna have to
1:14:34
Speaker 1: hit on some random guys. It's why I don't get
1:14:37
Speaker 1: that caught up during the draft. And like I love
1:14:40
Speaker 1: the fifth and sixth and seventh round, you have no clue.
1:14:42
Speaker 1: But some of those guys are gonna be studs. That
1:14:45
Speaker 1: is a lock. And some of the guys that we
1:14:47
Speaker 1: talk about endlessly in like the teens, are going to suck.
1:14:54
Speaker 1: Relative to suck, I mean they're better than me and you,
1:14:57
Speaker 1: but relative to NFL players are not gonna be any
1:14:59
Speaker 1: good and are gonna get lapped by the dude that
1:15:02
Speaker 1: was drafted in the fourth round at the same position.
1:15:04
Speaker 1: It's like we drafted his guard in the first and
1:15:06
Speaker 1: we drafted a guard in the fourth. Two years later,
1:15:08
Speaker 1: the guard in the fourth is a stud and the
1:15:10
Speaker 1: guy the drafted in the first is injured a lot
1:15:13
Speaker 1: and turns out he's not that good. Happens at all
1:15:15
Speaker 1: positions all the time. So I think the forty nine
1:15:19
Speaker 1: ers are gonna need their last two drafts uh to
1:15:23
Speaker 1: be impact players, and some of them they're not gonna
1:15:26
Speaker 1: be household names, especially last year. They had a lot
1:15:33
Speaker 1: of promise with a lot of the guys. They're gonna
1:15:35
Speaker 1: need Mikeel Williams to come back off the ACL and
1:15:37
Speaker 1: be a good player, and they're gonna need some of
1:15:39
Speaker 1: the guys in this draft class to be impact players.
1:15:42
Speaker 1: They don't need stribbling to be Poka Nakua, but like, hey,
1:15:44
Speaker 1: can you catch sixty balls? You know? They don't need
1:15:48
Speaker 1: the dude they took from Texas Tech to get fifteen sacks,
1:15:50
Speaker 1: but like, can you get us eight or can you
1:15:54
Speaker 1: just be a top ten rookie pass rusher and pressures?
1:15:58
Speaker 1: You know? So that's what you need. That's part of
1:16:01
Speaker 1: building a team. And if you can't, you kind of
1:16:04
Speaker 1: got it. Like you're signing some of these guys that
1:16:07
Speaker 1: are still available, it's like more than likely it's not
1:16:09
Speaker 1: gonna go that. Well, Joey Bosa was really talented player
1:16:14
Speaker 1: and when he was healthy early in his career, I
1:16:16
Speaker 1: mean he was he was a big time I don't
1:16:19
Speaker 1: think he's been good or healthy in a long time.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: End on that audios, I will see everybody. Well, I'm
1:16:28
Speaker 1: doing a podcast I think Thursday with Colin but you
1:16:31
Speaker 1: can check out. We will be as in we mean
1:16:35
Speaker 1: me with Colin on the Herd on TV on Thursday
1:16:38
Speaker 1: and Friday, and then uh yeah, back at Scotts Sale
1:16:42
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. Makes it easy not It's like an hour
1:16:44
Speaker 1: twenty minute flight, but we will talk soon. Have a
1:16:48
Speaker 1: great day. Audios. The volume