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Ep. 2 : Ohtani's Greatness, 2023 Topps Chrome, Deadline Pickups · Cards & Categories

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  Welcome everybody to episode two of Cards and Categories, brought to you by Razball.
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  I'm my Cool Art. You can find me on Twitter art in Cool
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  seven and I'm joined again as always by Jeremy Brewer. Jeremy, how's it
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  going? It is going well? Thank you for asking. Great baseball day.
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  Great. Excited to be back on the pod. Find me at Jay
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  Brewer one seven over on Twitter or on Razzball every week if you're if you're
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  reading the hitter profile. So excited to jump back into our second pod after
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  last week's smashing success. Yeah, thanks again to everybody who listened to the
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  pod and download the pod. And we heard from lots of friends, family,
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  colleagues, people of rasball, people outside of raz Ball in terms of
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  the Fantasy Baseball overall ecosystems. So it was lots of great feedback and we've
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  got lots of great topics to work on going forward. And I think I've
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  got some people lined up for special especially baseball cards. People are into talking
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  about the baseball cards stuff. Lots of people with PCs and some people within
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  razball that have some of the most monster cards I've ever seen. And just
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  like casually sending me pictures. Yeah, I don't know that I can compete.
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  I'm happy to be the second best person on this podcast. Unfortunately we
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  bring a guest that might knock me down a notch. That's okay, I'm
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  ready for the competition. Yeah, yeah, it was great. I was
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  getting like, yeah, pictures of Jordan rookies and Trout rookies, and I'm
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  like, here's this black refractor of Bartolo cologne that I love. You said,
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  Blaze Jordan right now, Michael Jordan. Yeah, I got plenty of
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  place Jordan's hanging around. That's yeah. Which actually, like it's kind of
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  been funny. He's kind of popped recently on people's prospect boards and I've been
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  listening to training remember which pot it was, but um, they were mentioning
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  how Blaze Jordan's kind of a pop up guy who's been performing well this year,
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  and I was like, WHOA, Like I didn't know that people weren't
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  in on Blaze Jordan because like, yeah, that when he that card came
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  out, that was like the only card to get from that set, and
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  so like it's a little strange that people are like just now hearing of him.
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  Yeah, it's funny that the card community is like early on prospects and
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  then they fade fast, and then it's like the fantasy community comes back and
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  like discovers the guy the card community been ignoring for now two years. It
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  was like, wait, who's this guy. I just saw Matt McClain's first
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  Bowman auto and I think it was going for like one fifty or something like
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  that. I'm like, you know, there was nobody collecting Matt McClain autos
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  when he when he came up, and everyone's like, oh, look at
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  this guy. I always knew he was great. So it's the hobby.
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  And you know, the fantasy worlds sometimes quite a bit differently, especially towards
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  those prospects. Yeah, and actually, yeah, I was. I can
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  see why Blaze Jordan is popping up on people's um dynasty lists and prospects now
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  because double A before he was well, he just got promoted double A.
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  So in high A he was had a one forty five w RC plus with
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  a three twenty four, three eighty five, five thirty three line with twelve
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  homers fourteen point six percent k rate. That's he's actually maybe pretty Legit might
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  have to get those Blaze Jordan cards. Back out in a hard part.
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  With those guys, you never know if it's the teams draft them, the
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  drives the hype at the beginning, or if it's the actual player. But
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  it looks like Blaze Jordan might actually have you know, have something there,
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  some legitimate pop to your point, and it's it's nice to see a guy,
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  you know, at his age twenty years old, you know, already
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  in double A after having pretty successful high day debut there over the last year
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  and a half and you know, keeping the case under control. You know,
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  nothing, No, not too babit fueled or anything like that. So
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  yeah, you're you're right, he might it might be one of those guys
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  transitioning from the card the card popularity just because he was the first round pick
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  of the Red Sox over to true uh you know, true true fantasy relevance.
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  Yeah, and with a name like Blaze. He also helps us out
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  for a segue because speaking of blazing hot things, are blazing hot people there,
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  yeah, baseball, blazing hotness in general, Shohyotani, we haven't.
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  We didn't talk about him last time, but I think now is the time
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  to talk about him because um, as I alluded to last week, Otani
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  is my biggest PC for sure. It's made me plenty of money from a
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  large lot that I bought. His stock tanked and so they're living large off
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  of that for my cards. But in terms of baseball yesterday, I think
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  he just kind of took it all to a new level that, like I'm
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  sure you saw and I'll look in too in the page notes for anybody that
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  hasn't seen it at all. But Otani blasts a huge home run in the
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  ninth inning last night, crazy bat flip, and you could just see like
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  the rage and the anger kind of come through in that swing that, Like,
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  it was really impressive to see him kind of holding all that in with
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  all this try deadline talk, and I'm sure he's frustrated with having another sunk
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  season, because I don't know about you, I don't think he's going to
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  get traded. I think the financial implications for the Angels and Lardie Moreno is
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  just too large in terms of advertising dollars and butts and seats that like,
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  I just don't think that give him up. But the that blast was just
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  something else. Then he's been doing this recently because he did this over the
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  weekend too, that he's been just annihilating balls to like just left or center
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  in Angel Stadium, to where you're just like, there's only one guy that's
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  left handed that's hitting that homer and it's him right now. Yeah, it
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  was. It was very impressive. Y I did see it. You know,
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  love the bat flip that he had with it is showing some emotion,
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  and you're right, it's there's got to be for him something with the trade
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  deadline coming up, where you know he's just it must be a for a
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  guy like that motivating, right if nothing else motivates him to go out there
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  and just you know, just crush it every day. I think I'm probably
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  there with you that you know he's not gonna move. It's one of those
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  unique situations where you know, if they could actually get the return that he
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  deserves, they absolutely should move him. I don't know that. I don't
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  know the system has it. It's kind of like Soto when he got traded,
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  but some it's like trade is it trading for two Juan Sotos? You
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  got the pitching, Like I don't. I don't know that there's any comparable
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  player that you can talk about as far as trading for him. If you
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  need a starting pitcher and you need a number four cleanup hitter and you get
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  them in one shot. I don't know, is that seventeen pop one hundred
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  prospects that it takes to bring that. I don't know, but you're right,
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  it's that if they trade him, they do not have a chance of
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  bringing him back. Um, and you know that that fan base is gonna
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  reject them, probably harder than if they just can't resign the guy. Um.
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  Yeah, they'll get the comp pick they'll get, they'll get a first
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  round or to come back and the competitive balance or whatever it is to to
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  come back in them. But I can't see them making that move. So
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  yeah, and it'll be interesting to see, like what he does down the
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  stretch for the Angels, Like does he like just ride this anchor And like,
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  I mean, he's already put up the greatest season of all time that
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  like it would be really really awesome to see him challenge for sixty home runs.
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  And did you see in those comparisons of him and Judge at the same
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  point in the season. Yeah, he's right there. And I know Judge
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  started hitting a lot more down the stretch and it's kind of weird that that
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  bouncy ball kind of controversy disappeared. I don't know if it maybe it didn't
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  have enough merit once it was sniff tested a little more or what. But
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  like, yeah, I could see Manfred wanting to deduce that for Otani,
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  but it would be then Lardie Marino at that point would just be losing his
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  mind, because that's the dream scenario right there, is that he can push
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  for sixty homers and still be producing at He's not quite pitching it like a
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  say, young level like I was hoping he would this year. Yeah,
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  he's a tick below, So I mean obviously he's terrible because like yeah,
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  I mean, we've definitely got to send them down just to work on some
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  things. But yeah, I look at that the Judge comparison, and I
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  think it's comparison to the first ninety four games of the season. Both guys
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  had thirty four homers, both guys had seventy three ribbies. Judge was hitting
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  two eighty two. Otani's hitting three oh one. Time's getting on base a
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  little bit higher. Clip But at the same time, I don't feel that
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  the Otani hype train is the same. But it was for Judge. I
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  don't know if this is the West Coast scenario where he's he's launching these bombs
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  and bat flips that you know midnight on the East Coast or what it is,
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  but it doesn't you know, I saw the numbers, and I'm like,
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  it didn't seem like he's hit the same echelon as far as excitement and
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  following and talking about what the end of the season has. We're talking about
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  if he's gonna be traded or not, not the historic numbers that he could
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  be putting up. Yeah, and I do think that it's a little bit
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  of like the East Coast bias, But I mean part of it too is
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  Otani has just been so superlative that I everything just amazes me that he can't,
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  like, there's only so many more tears of excitement or fame or whatever
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  you have it that would push him to like more and more coverage. And
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  he's already pushing that upper top star limit. So that might be a factor,
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  and we'll see maybe as it comes down the stretch. But like,
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  if he keeps swinging in the bath the way he has been, I think
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  he's gonna challenge it and it's going to be really entertained on the stretch and
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  we'll see if he actually gets pitched too, because just kind of like Judge
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  ran into and you can see it now with how bad the Yankees are without
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  Judge that there's nobody in that line of protecting Otani, and especially if they
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  move other pieces around him at the deadline, then like it might just be
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  him and Trey Cabbage hanging out in LA. Well, you'd like to think
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  Trout gets healthy at some point here and comes back and just sits behind him
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  in the lineup and gives him our protection, but not not holding my breath
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  anytime soon, especially with a handmade injury that the Trout had. It always
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  takes seems to take some time to come back from, at least to get
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  to be dangerous to get. You can come back, but it seems like
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  it does take some time from those. So, yeah, I hit one
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  other thing I wanted to call out to you. You know, bat flip
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  from Otani? Did you see the bat flip from Max Kepler? I?
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  Did you know? I'll link to it in the in the game notes.
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  I'll let you to describe it though, because it is it's a it's a
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  piece of work, that's for sure. Yeah, So I think I compare
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  this too if if Johai Otani is doing bat flips, this is the kind
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  of style that I would have. I'll call it more of a bat kick.
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  Um. You know, Kepler takes a nice swing. I think he
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  hits one right down the first base line into the corner looking to go you
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  know, two, maybe three. As he's coming out of the box,
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  somehow manages to get the bat between his legs and literally flips it between his
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  legs and kicks it way off so towards the third base side. Man does
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  a little front roll and then makes his way stumbling around to second. So
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  my comparison there is, you know, there's bat flips and there's back kicks.
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  Um. Max Kepler has the has has the field cornered right now on
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  the best back kick of the season. Um. And I'm not sure he's
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  very proud of that, but hey, you can get entertainment either way.
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  Uh oh Tani is providing it just like Max Kepler. He can't hold against
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  the guy. Yeah, Max Kickler be the only pod from here on now
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  that calls the Max Kickler will be doing it like four years to now.
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  Nobody's my fantasy team name for the rest of the season. I got a
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  few things I gotta go, go, go change. So I'm pretty sure
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  I have one Bax Kepler as it is. Yeah, I bet that team's
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  doing real well. Yeah, style points, that's the where that team's going.
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  Nice. Okay, Well, stick around, everybody. We've got a
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  great show ahead of us. We're first going to cover through the twenty twenty
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  three Tops Chrome coming out next week, and then after that we're going to
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  get into some fantasy changes in value, especially guys who are going up in
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  value that you can pick up and analyze here in anticipation of bigger roles after
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  the trade deadline on August first. So, like I said, we got
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  a great show. Hang around, and we'll be back right after the break.
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  Like I said, we're going to cover the release of Tops Chrome twenty
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  twenty, one of our favorite sets that comes out every year. In fact
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  that like when I was a kid, I was only able to afford like
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  one pack of Chrome every year. So you'll get a kick out of this
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  brew because I'm sure you went to the same place because we grew up together
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  and blew into normal Illinois. But do you remember J and G Collectibles.
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  It was in the name. It was like in my neighborhood, like two
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  or three blocks over in that basement. Yeah, I do remember that that
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  place was questionable at best. I can't believe we were allowed to go there.
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  But yeah, there was this guy who ran a hobby shop out of
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  his basement and it was open on weekends. And I always remember when Tops
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  Chrome came out, I would go over and with my saved up allowance,
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  go and buy one single packet Tops Chrome every year, so like from ninety
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  seven to like two thousand and two or so, like I've got just like
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  four Tops Chrome cards a year. It's great. Well, it depends on
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  who you hit, but I have a feeling it was. It was not
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  the big names. I remember. The biggest hit I think I ever hit
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  was a Jeff Blauser Cubs insert like Cloud nine, like a Cloud nine insert,
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  because he there was like one year for the Cubs that Jeff Blauser was
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  amazingly good. And I know he made a couple All Star Games for the
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  Braves because I used him last week in Immaculate Grade and blew everyone's mind.
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  But yeah, Jeff Blauser. Yeah. I don't know the last time that
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  I heard Jeff blausser name. I feel like, uh, that's that's a
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  baseball name. Game will waiting to be brought out by somebody. Oh yeah,
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  and he's okay with that ammaculate grade. He doesn't qualify for too much.
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  But anyways, back to tops Chrome, we got it released it next
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  week. And if you recall from tops Chrome last year and mostly it was
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  a bungled fiasco, there was the Tops MVP buyback. So they're running that
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  again this year in anticipation. And I know you've got details, so I'll
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  let you rattle them off. Yeah, so MVP buyback, you know whatnot
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  all the details are out there yet, we're reading the t leaves. They
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  have announced that they will have the MVP buyback this year. So if we
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  remember back from last year, that was any card of the MVP, so
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  last year, Paul Goldschman and Aaron Judge could be traded in at your local
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  hobby shop if they're participating. I think a lot of them, a lot
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  of them did. I think it was actually a boon to them, or
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  you could mail them into a few of the online hobby shops and get credit
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  for them way further than their value normally would be. So last year,
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  and I think it's expected to be the same this year. For a base
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  card of your MVP, you're getting twenty dollars of store credit generally, or
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  refractor version that generally could be different types of refractors, like your extractor,
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  your regular fractor might be a logo fractor something like that. You're getting a
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  forty dollar redemption value than anything serial numbered. If you're serial number above one
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  hundred is one hundred dollar value, or serial numbered under one hundred, you're
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  getting two hundred dollars value. And I personally hit a judged to ninety nine
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  last year in the logo fractor boxes right after this came out, and the
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  local hobby shot guy gave me a real funny to look. As I was
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  trying to trade that in, I had to think, gosh, darn't sure
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  he knew that thing was worth two hundred bucks. You better believe he did
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  not give me a bundle deal on anything. When I traded in like six
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  hundred dollars of redemption. He didn't let you just count it at all.
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  No, I don't know what I was thinking, you can't imagine why.
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  Yeah, so I bought a few random boxes of things. But yeah,
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  so the MVP buyback is common, so really it's an interest. It's a
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  little interesting dynamic this year because it wasn't announced really last year until after the
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  fact. Really, if you remember, they bungled the entire release of Chrome
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  that like they didn't get it out the door in time because it came up
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  too long, and the quality on it was absolutely terrible. I think they
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  released it without some hits going in. I mean I would imagine, like
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  I think I can say that about every set and not have to worry about
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  libel um. And so, yeah, it was terrible. So they did
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  it as like a make right because yeah, they were all sorts of issues
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  that like, I don't know, quality control just took the day off at
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  Tops during times I call the silver packs are usually in the tops. Chrome
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  it didn't that's what. It didn't insert them, and in the early ones
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  they had to create like special silver packs for those early no box remember it,
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  they didn't. They didn't insert the short printed rookies. Oh yes,
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  that was wander in CJ. Abrams and there was a fourth dude. But
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  That's what it was. They didn't insert those like short printed rookies, and
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  that's I still can't believe that they're they're super short printed because of that,
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  because I they're buried in all sorts of random silver packs and Sonic and all
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  sorts of weird products. Yeah. So it's what makes it interesting this year,
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  like I said, is that we were still in the season and you
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  know, we're supposed to be released next week, um, and we do
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  not know who the MVPs this season will be. UM in the program will
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  start, you know, November time frame at once they announced those MVPs.
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  It's going to run through uh probably March of next year, giving you the
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  time to to to go after uh those guys. But it's it creates an
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  interesting hedging scenario. Uh, if you're buying a hobby box or Jumbo.
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  I think hobbies I saw on tops would be like one twenty five this year.
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  Jumbo's round three hundred after marker prices maybe you know, ten ten twenty
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  percent high him. That depend on where you're trying to get it, if
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  you're trying to get it quickly. UM, but you know, I think
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  right now there's pretty clear odds on favorites for those MVPs. Um. Maybe
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  it's just me, but I'm um, it looks like the Otani guy that
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  we talked about in in our first segment today has a pretty good chance,
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  um to be the MVP in the In the al it almost like it comes
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  down to what on earth could happen that he wouldn't be MVP, Like he
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  has to get hit hurt like today. I don't even think so. I
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  think they have to like rewind time and undo stacks like he's at thirty five
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  homers with I mean like a hundred in forty Okay, So I think the
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  only thing that can happen is he goes like Pete Rose on us and starts
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  gambling on those games. Hey, you guys, so what makes it interesting
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  in theory, right, we should be trying to predict who's going to be
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  the MVP and try to get their cards for you know, cheap and hang
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  onto them. But to your point, I don't see who's gonna over Rotani
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  and then move over to the NL like Akunya, right, It's it's gonna
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  be a Kunya by by a mile. I mean, maybe not as much
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  as what we're seeing with Otani, but it got to be the odd on
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  favorite favorites, unless you know, somebody wants to throw some votes towards Corbyn
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  Carroll or something like that. Um, I think that it's pretty locked in.
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  So it's gonna be interesting to see the prices on the aftermarket side for
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  those buybacks. I think last year, and you can correct me if wrong.
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  I want to say, the base cards we're going for like fifteen bucks
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  like as singles, even though you can only get twenty dollars of value out
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  of them, And then the refractors were going from US thirty when you get
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  forty vote dollars of value out of them, which I mean, hey,
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  if you're trying to buy some hobby boxes or something like that, it's kind
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  of like getting a ten percent discount code you're taking into your local hobby shops.
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  So there's still some still some value there. But I was I was
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  thinking this season, you know, maybe you're being paying like five dollars for
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  the guy trying to heade that he might become the MVP. But it looks
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  like we already know most likely who those guys are going to be, So
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  I'm guessing those prices settled. Maybe ten dollars something like that, ten twelve
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  dollars for the base of those guys after they come out, So jumping some
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  brakes, get to grab the angels, you know, grab the braves,
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  and maybe you look into a handful of those guys or maybe some numbered cards
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  and definitely get some some value out of them. So cool program. I
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  personally like it. I think it adds a cool element to the chase of
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  those And personally last year I had a little bit too much Paul Goldman already
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  banked away from my cardinals PC that paid off quite nicely, So yeah,
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  and I mean I think getting back a little bit to like the Kunya,
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  Like I guess I was worried like when they announced that, because it was
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  pretty neck and neck about when they put that out there a few weeks ago
• 23:21
  that A Kunya and Carol were pretty close in terms of like who could be
• 23:25
  MVP, and obviously a Kunya was better, but like Carol was in the
• 23:29
  same breath and they've deviated since then. But that would have been insane with
• 23:34
  Corbyn Carroll's rookie card being the buy back and being traded in because definitely there
• 23:41
  are not many of those Judge and Goldschmidt refractors kind of out there, and
• 23:45
  especially if you're trying to PC those guys and build rainbows, like it's pretty
• 23:52
  much impossible. And like even for putting together full refractor sets, I know
• 23:56
  people do the base refractors and prison refractors and X fractors and pink refractors because
• 24:03
  they aren't serial numbered as full sets like those. I'm sure we're a pain
• 24:08
  with Judge and Goldschmidt, and it's only going to be harder with Otani because
• 24:12
  I could see based on just where the Otani prices have been and how they
• 24:18
  historically have been tracking that, like those refractors, not the base but the
• 24:22
  refractors, I could see trading above the trade in value like on the market
• 24:27
  because people want the card and don't want it trade it in. Yeah,
• 24:32
  it's you either want the card you want to get and you out have to
• 24:34
  pay for it, or you have to wait till like April next year to
• 24:37
  finish your set after the buyback dies out and people still have fine cards laying
• 24:42
  around. So it's creates a very interesting dynamic for the card collectors. I
• 24:48
  mean, hey, if you if you are ripping some cards, he hold
• 24:52
  your corbon Carrols. Hold you know your Luis Roberts just in case m Luis
• 25:00
  Araya's in case he got hit four hundred. Maybe gets some MVP votes.
• 25:03
  I don't know, um, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be clear who
• 25:08
  has those, at least the leader in the clubhouse at this point. So
• 25:11
  MVP buyback for tops Chrome this year is gonna be another fun go out for
• 25:17
  folks and a good value. So all right, Yeah, and we also
• 25:22
  wanted to go through. And I'm sure you were aware of how many refractors
• 25:29
  there were last year and how crazy putting together a rainbow was if you tried
• 25:33
  that. I've never even attempted it. I can mad props to people who
• 25:37
  try to do it. I tried a Tommy Edmund rainbow a few years ago.
• 25:41
  Um I gave up. How what was the lows two got? Um?
• 25:47
  I think I got into I don't think I got in like the Cama
• 25:51
  or anything like that. I think I got into like the Mother's Days and
• 25:53
  then like the gold Refractors and things like that. I was getting the fifties.
• 25:57
  Um, it just got to the point. I don't know why,
• 26:00
  and it's I blame us Cardinals fans, Um, Tommy Edmund cards don't are
• 26:04
  ridiculously expensive. Someone unknown his rookie auto still goes for like forty or fifty
• 26:11
  bucks. It just does not make sense, um, And he doesn't have
• 26:15
  that many out there. So maybe there's a supply in the mand type of
• 26:18
  thing. But that's okay. So we'll run through the entire list of refractors.
• 26:23
  You ready, because we might be here for a little while. I'm
• 26:26
  gonna sit back a while because my kids might take the next ten minutes.
• 26:29
  Okay, Well, obviously you start with bass. You've got bass. Then
• 26:33
  you've got refractors, just the regular bass refractors, the rainbows. You've got
• 26:37
  frozen fractors, which is new. Don't even know what that is. So
• 26:41
  I've looked for pictures. Let me see if I'll look again, just to
• 26:45
  make sure that I was correct. But yeah, they're no pictures yet.
• 26:52
  So well, so I will say I have two daughters who are probably gonna
• 26:56
  be really excited about the frozen front frozen refractors. I don't think it's there's
• 27:02
  no fen frozen fractals like over. Sorry, I I'm watching too much.
• 27:06
  Frozen fractors, frozen fractors, frozen fractors. This is gonna be like the
• 27:14
  logo rafters on eBay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Then negative refractors,
• 27:21
  which have been round since like twenty twelve is probably, I think because that
• 27:26
  is another one of my PC's is white SOX negative refractors, and trying to
• 27:30
  remember how early that goes, I think like eleven or twelve or so,
• 27:33
  so that's a returner. Also have prison refractors again, that will be it
• 27:40
  looks like the prison refractors you can pull from retail this time though, which
• 27:44
  was always right right, Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, you tho retail.
• 27:48
  Um. Then you got pink refractors and SETI refractors again, two per
• 27:52
  blaster backs, so that's the only place you can get those X fractors.
• 27:55
  Ten per monster box, so that's only coming out of those retailed monster boxes.
• 28:00
  That's another returner. Then we've got here's when we start getting into colors,
• 28:03
  and they're numbered Magenta refractors three ninety nine, Magenta Sparkover refractors three fifty,
• 28:10
  Purple Speco refractors two ninety nine. Sorry, that was Magenta Speco with
• 28:15
  Magenta Sparkle Sonar purple, which is a new one of two seventy five regular
• 28:21
  purple two fifty. So right there you kind of got the purple and pink
• 28:26
  ones together and the speckle ones are repeats, but those sonars are new.
• 28:32
  I wonder if they'll end up looking like the Sonic from last year tops Crumb
• 28:36
  Sonic or yeah, you have to think so you have to think sonics got
• 28:38
  coming back this year. That one was a complete flop last year, you
• 28:42
  know, so you have to think that those won't. They're just taking that
• 28:45
  design moving it over to tops chrome because you don't see, like said,
• 28:49
  the logo fractors or anything like that. I think logo fractor. I haven't
• 28:55
  looked at the schedule, but I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that.
• 28:57
  Like, I think that's part of what slowed them down last year two
• 29:00
  as they had all these variations that they're planning and maybe they won't, but
• 29:04
  we'll see. Okay. So then we moved into the blue green colors of
• 29:12
  also the cooler colors, so and those we got returning aqua refractors of one
• 29:19
  ninety nine, aqua lava refractors of one ninety nine. I don't think they
• 29:23
  had base aqua Lava. I know they had it on the autos last year,
• 29:29
  so that's a change that used to be wave. Then you've got blue
• 29:32
  refractors of one fifty, sonar blue refractors of one, twenty five, green
• 29:37
  refractors of ninety nine, green wave refractors of ninety nine, Sonar green of
• 29:42
  ninety nine, and then blue wave refractors of seventy five. Those wave refractors
• 29:49
  are only coming out of Jumbo and Hobbies, so they're only on the hobby
• 29:53
  side, but that is an extra one there because it used to just be
• 30:00
  blue and green and their wave. They added the sonars for both this year.
• 30:07
  Then we get into the warmer colors. The big guys here got gold
• 30:12
  refractors of fifty, gold wave refractors of fifty. Again, those are only
• 30:17
  hobby and Jumbo, Orange refractors of twenty five, which say hobby only right
• 30:22
  now, which is a change that used to be able to pull those from
• 30:25
  retails, so that's kind of a significant change. Orange wave of Hobby and
• 30:30
  Jumbo. Then you got bread of five, red wave of five, Hobby
• 30:34
  and Jumbo only on those wave and then printing plates and superfractors, so essentially
• 30:41
  they layered in those sonar refractors to replace I mean nothing. They were kind
• 30:47
  of created out nowhere, and then you got the new frozen fractors and that
• 30:53
  rounds it all up. That is two four six hey, twelve fourteen sixteen
• 31:03
  eighteen twenty two four six, I think thirty different by counting that. I
• 31:11
  can't quite count it right live, but it's a lot. So this thing
• 31:15
  is printed, printed, printed, printed. So I think that's a huge
• 31:21
  opportunity, especially for those MVP buy backs if you're looking for retail and looking
• 31:26
  for What I really liked was being able to buy a blaster for like thirty
• 31:30
  five bucks, and if you hit both of those MVPs, boom, you
• 31:33
  made your money right back. So I think that's a pretty nice deal.
• 31:37
  Yeah, I think so. I'm you know, I missed getting anything on
• 31:38
  the pre order myself because I just wasn't paying attention. But you personally looking
• 31:44
  to grab a jumbo. You know one thing that I noticed, there's just
• 31:48
  the details are sparse, Like you said, the frozen fractor details are sparse.
• 31:52
  At least one of the checklists I was looking at it had a taco
• 31:53
  fractor. Oh, so I looked at it's an insert. Okay, that
• 31:57
  is that an insert? I wasn't sure if that was like a cupon to
• 32:01
  taco bell or what's going on with that? Yeah, it's a it's an
• 32:07
  insert of Oh it looks like they're all of five. Yeah, so uh
• 32:15
  set it's only two hundred mm. I'll be interesting with those look like too.
• 32:21
  And I'm also looking now at the checklist that they have the MVP buybacks
• 32:24
  from last year, so I don't know if they restamped those or they had
• 32:30
  Goldschmidt and Judge signed hundreds of thousands of them or what. Yeah, I
• 32:34
  think I mean that was part of what they said in the MVP buyback is
• 32:37
  that they were planning to use those cards this year in sets, and so
• 32:42
  we haven't seen any yet. I would expect top chromes where there was those
• 32:45
  would show up. So it would be interesting to see if they've got some
• 32:49
  stamps autos, if they've done anything interesting with those cards to bring them in.
• 32:52
  Um. I hope some of them are just like bolded in half like
• 32:55
  I didn't I didn't turn in any like buybacks like that, but you know
• 33:00
  that they had some just like torn in half, like folded in half,
• 33:06
  all sorts of beat up by backs. Yeah, the quality did not matter.
• 33:10
  So you have to think it's if you've seen what people do with the
• 33:15
  Josel two Bay cards. They're still punishing him for his buzzer incidents and they're
• 33:21
  they're quite rough on those cards. Um, you have to think there's some
• 33:25
  guy in Boston just turning in these ripped up Aaron Judge, he buy back
• 33:29
  cards still still you know, salty over over something or like a mustache drawn
• 33:36
  on him. Yeah. I think I'll have to also show you sometimes.
• 33:42
  I think I have a one of my Bob Gibson cards from back in the
• 33:45
  day, actually Gibson with a mustache drawn on. I just had to keep
• 33:47
  it because you know, some kids just like, who's Bob Gibson? So
• 33:52
  it's great. Yeah, those are some of my favorites. Um. But
• 33:55
  yeah, and I think the other thing I wanted to call out is obviously
• 33:59
  it's going to be a really big product because they have all the rookies in
• 34:02
  it. So you got your ad Lets, your Gunners, your Corporate Carrols,
• 34:06
  your Jordan Walkers, your Volpies, your Yoshida's, Jung, Francisco Alvarez,
• 34:15
  y Green Morel yep, Nolan Green or Nolan Gorman's in there, You've
• 34:22
  got, so it's stacked like this is a stacked groups. So I know
• 34:25
  that the print runs are probably higher than what we all like. Um and
• 34:29
  I think the Jumbos last year, I think they had five autos, but
• 34:31
  they were they were more expensive. This year the Jumbos less expensive, has
• 34:36
  three autos in it. And so from what I was seeing that, you
• 34:38
  know, Hobby and Jumbo not probably a big difference in the in the values
• 34:44
  the odds as far as what you're what you're pulling out of there. But
• 34:46
  with the MVP buyback, with a really strong rookie class and all of those
• 34:52
  refractors that you're talking about, Uh, seems like there's definitely going to be
• 34:55
  some some decent value in in Tops Chrome this year. Yeah, I think
• 35:01
  so. In the base the auto checklist is it's pretty terrible standard Tops Chrome
• 35:07
  rookie stuff. So like I can already, I know I'm going to end
• 35:12
  up pulling so many Peyton burdocks out of like it's and Cody Clemens is in
• 35:20
  all sorts of crazy names on this list, but there's still lots of the
• 35:23
  big ones too, So it's going to be a fun, fun set.
• 35:28
  I'm really looking forward to ripping it, and I know you are too.
• 35:31
  We'll be back with the fantasy portion covering some deadline stuff. Stick around,
• 36:00
  all right, Welcome back, everybody to the third Act of Cards and Categories.
• 36:04
  Here is time for the Categories portion, the fantasy sports, the fantasy
• 36:07
  baseball, what we all came for. I think. So we figured with
• 36:12
  the trade deadline coming up here on August first, it would be good to
• 36:15
  sport some guys that we can maybe move and put onto our teams before that
• 36:21
  deadline, just to try to see if we can find opportunities to be able
• 36:25
  to buy pretty low as some of these things, some of these players are
• 36:30
  probably going to go up in prices. Players finally do get shuffled, and
• 36:34
  sure might be wrong on a few of these as some of the trades that
• 36:37
  we might anticipate happening with these dudes might not end up happening. But the
• 36:44
  only way that you can really make a good profit off of the trade deadline
• 36:46
  is to get in a couple of weeks early, analyze who's going to be
• 36:51
  moving where, what opportunities that opens up, and then try to strike and
• 36:54
  profit and so when I was looking through pulling back the curtain a little bit
• 37:01
  on this podcast, but we do a rundown together where we put ideas on
• 37:05
  what we want to talk about, and when we were throwing guys up on
• 37:09
  here for this list, I noticed that really kind of fell into two categories,
• 37:14
  which kind of makes sense around this time of the year. Is that
• 37:16
  one is the first category, which is really the most exciting, is young
• 37:22
  players maybe in the minors right now or in part time roles or on benches
• 37:25
  that could see bigger playing time battles and we actually no battles, like their
• 37:32
  battles might be cleared out and they might have the playing time all to themselves.
• 37:37
  And then the other one is certainly less exciting, much more grindy,
• 37:42
  very grindy is battling for closers and saves is relievers get moved around the deadline.
• 37:49
  So I'll let you choose brew Do you want to start with prospects or
• 37:53
  closer talk first? Well, let's start with the prospects. Nothing like a
• 37:58
  good young, exciting pros to get us going. Maybe maybe the Reds will
• 38:00
  call up another one who while we're doing this pod right now. Well,
• 38:06
  the funny thing is. I mean, you can start with the last dude
• 38:08
  that you've gotten the blurb because he threw a gem tonight. I think that's
• 38:12
  probably the best spot to start. Yeah, let's let's jump into it.
• 38:15
  So, Uh, the first guy that I've gotten the list is a Logan
• 38:21
  Allen for the for the the Guardians. Man, I really want to say
• 38:27
  say Indians so badly and good point. I still still did, uh since
• 38:32
  they're somewhere in the podcast world. But yeah, Logan Allen tonight. Uh
• 38:37
  eight k's five five Indians, one hit. Uh looking looking good for the
• 38:43
  Guardians. Uh. Right now he's kind of the odd man out of that
• 38:46
  rotation. Uh, they do have a nice looking rotation still. So he
• 38:52
  just got called up with Shane Bieber going on the the injured list and you
• 38:57
  know the reason I call call him out is you know, uh, injured
• 39:00
  list complicates it. But if there was a time to time to trade Shane
• 39:05
  Bieber, it's now, Uh it is. You know, he's got a
• 39:07
  year and a half of control left. Um, you know he's he hasn't
• 39:13
  hasn't been as good this year, but he's still been you know, Shane
• 39:15
  Bieber, he's still been very much worthwhile, and so uh, you know,
• 39:20
  looking at the Guardians, you know they're not gonna sign big free agents.
• 39:23
  They are, you know, they're the ones that's going to kind of
• 39:25
  work in that middle layer and for them bringing in some young young players and
• 39:31
  maybe some win now pieces by training Shane Bieber's absolutely makes a lot of sense.
• 39:36
  And so if Bieber goes logan Allen looks to be the guy being called
• 39:40
  up, as example by just tonight, he's gonna be the guy that's stuck
• 39:45
  in that rotation. So uh, you know, it might might be worth
• 39:49
  picking him up anyway, just because of how he pitched tonight and added him
• 39:53
  to to the roster. But you know, I think before the injury,
• 39:57
  I think Bieber was probably you know, a thirty percent chance to be traded.
• 40:01
  Um. You know, I have to knock that down now because I
• 40:05
  think there's gonna be questions is an arm injury, uh you know, inflammation.
• 40:08
  You know, everybody's saying it's nothing wrong, But you know, how
• 40:13
  much do we trust any front office and what they say of an injury these
• 40:15
  days? So I think there's still a chance that Bieber gets traded um and
• 40:22
  the returns a little bit less and Logan Allen is the beneficiary. But I
• 40:25
  think the likelihood at this point is that they're going to hold on to him
• 40:29
  in the off season, uh and see if you can build some some value
• 40:35
  as far as the rest of the season getting healthy. So look at Alan,
• 40:37
  I think it's I think it's worth a gable for him. So how
• 40:40
  about you, how where are you looking? I know I picked on Cincinnati
• 40:45
  Reds right as we kicked off here, Um, and maybe you have a
• 40:49
  Cincinnati Red did you want to just throw out of me? Yeah, well
• 40:52
  he's currently a Cincinnati Reds, so we'll start there. And I brought him
• 40:57
  up a few weeks ago in my Waiver Wife or waiver Wire column where I
• 41:00
  was kind of also trying to do this even two weeks earlier than this,
• 41:05
  of trying to identify some guys who could move at the deadline. And the
• 41:08
  biggest one I think is noelvi Marte from Cincinnati Red's just mostly because they don't
• 41:15
  need them, Like there's no space for him and there's no where to put
• 41:19
  him on the infield diret or the outfield grass right now. They're totally loaded
• 41:24
  with ces Christian in Carnac that is a mouthful Christian Incarnacione strand coming up.
• 41:34
  They don't have enough spots for everybody as is, and so nolv Marte.
• 41:40
  I think every team's going to also know this and probably try to load ball
• 41:44
  them from NOELV Marte. But the nice thing is the Reds just need back
• 41:47
  end pitching, so back end of their rotation and building out their bullpens.
• 41:52
  So it's pretty easy to move Marte for some sort of arm at the deal
• 41:58
  at the deadline, and I think that's the deal that's going to get done.
• 42:00
  That Marte is. He's been okay this year that like, I think
• 42:05
  he's also a little bit of a guy that just has been around for so
• 42:08
  long that sometimes these guys get bored in the minor leagues. Like Francisco Lindor
• 42:14
  really reminds me of this, that he kind of got bored in double A
• 42:16
  and triple A just kind of I think, because he was so much better
• 42:20
  than everybody that like, it was hard to keep him engaged. So NOELVI
• 42:24
  was at A one seventeen w RC plus and double A and then got moved
• 42:29
  to triple A and has been only at an ADWRC plus and fifty one plate
• 42:34
  appearances there, the strikeout rate has increased to twenty seven and a half percent
• 42:38
  from seventeen point one percent. But again, I think the talent kind of
• 42:44
  comes through here, and especially if he finds himself on a team that doesn't
• 42:50
  have very much to play for down the stretch. He could find himself playing
• 42:52
  shortstop, third base, h first base, a corner outfield, and that
• 42:58
  team might just be seeing kind of what they have in him. Yeah.
• 43:01
  And if I recall, Marte has always been a slow starter prements at every
• 43:05
  level that he's played out, So I don't put too much stock into the
• 43:08
  triple A numbers he has right now. I know it's not that great,
• 43:12
  but he's he's a talented young guy, and you're You're right, it really
• 43:15
  depends on the landing spot. Makes a lot of sense to see him move
• 43:19
  if the Reds are going to make a mega splash, and just a matter
• 43:22
  of where he lands. Yeah, And so I'll let you go over the
• 43:28
  next dude you want to talk about. Yeah, So it thinks probably one
• 43:30
  of my favorite targets at this point for picking up a guy who might benefit
• 43:36
  from a trade comes from the Mets. Uh Mets are in a weird spot.
• 43:40
  You know, they're not not doing as well as they want to,
• 43:44
  but I don't think Cohen wants to give up ever. So um, it's
• 43:49
  gonna be kind of an interesting cell and win now scenario for the New York
• 43:54
  Mets. But I wouldn't be shocked to see the move Tommy fam or Starley
• 43:59
  Marte or somebody like that in the outfield and open up some some playing time.
• 44:02
  And the guy I'm looking at, Ronny Mauricio for the Mets, he's
• 44:07
  only about ten percent owned, like Yahoo Leagues things like that, and he's
• 44:12
  been pretty solid down on the miners this year. You know, he's still
• 44:16
  young, he's just just twenty two at this point, just turned twenty two
• 44:21
  a few months back. But you know, in Triple A this year,
• 44:24
  he's hitting just about three hundred, he's fourteen homes and fourteen steals, UH
• 44:30
  strikeout rate under seventeen. UM. He's just he doesn't having a really really
• 44:36
  strong year and there's really no reason for them to keep him down in the
• 44:39
  miners at this point after you know, going twenty twenty last year in in
• 44:45
  Double A. So he's proven himself and he does deserve it opportunity and I
• 44:50
  do think, you know, it's you know, funny, I say,
• 44:52
  trade an outfield and bring up um Mauricio, who's gonna play most likely shortstop.
• 44:58
  But they have been getting him some ups in the outfield. Uh in
• 45:00
  Triple A, he's been playing a little bit left field. But also we
• 45:05
  have like McNeil, Jeff McNeil that might move from from the infield and open
• 45:08
  up spot. Uh. You know, I don't think Lindoor's going anywhere,
• 45:12
  but I think that could give him a spot or a chance or you know,
• 45:15
  play play you know, his second base, because he's been playing second
• 45:19
  and left mostly in Triple A this year because he just doesn't have a spot
• 45:23
  to make a debut at short So Rondi Murissio is probably the one guy that
• 45:28
  I'm really really targeting. This is my gamble for young guys that that might
• 45:34
  get a chance here right after the trade deadline. Yeah, and I think
• 45:37
  another I mean, it might not even take the deadline, because are you
• 45:43
  looking at the roster resource page for the Mets at all? Don't know if
• 45:45
  you are, because because I haven't really watched too many Mets games as of
• 45:50
  late, even though they're playing the Socks tonight, I decide not to turn
• 45:53
  that on after Lucas Julido's terrible for sitting. But do you know who this
• 46:00
  wrong side platoon DH for the Mets is right now? Oh? I should
• 46:07
  know, But no, who's the strong side DH is gonna be terrible?
• 46:12
  It's DJ Stewart. We're talking about the DJ Stewart that couldn't hold it with
• 46:17
  the Orioles. Yes, in the last few years. Right, that's like
• 46:22
  I'm looking, I'm there's not even like I don't even he just kind of
• 46:25
  like is better than Daniel Vogelbach right now, I guess. And so yeah,
• 46:31
  that's it's a pretty easy spot to like put Ronnie Maurissio a second and
• 46:36
  then move McNeil to pH Yeah, so what we're talking about trade deadline,
• 46:39
  No trade deadline. Ronnie Marissio might be up here before too long. And
• 46:43
  and and he's worth He's worth a gamble for sure. Yeah. And I've
• 46:50
  got another guy that's another young dude sitting in triple A that I've really kind
• 46:54
  of fallen in love with him over the past week or so that like us
• 47:00
  just kind of looking through stats and especially people who have been performing well and
• 47:05
  have the opportunity is Laurence Butler for the Oakland Days right now. And Laurence
• 47:09
  Butler, he's a big dude. He's sixty three corner outfielder, but he's
• 47:15
  just tooled up that he's got tons of hit, tons of game power,
• 47:19
  tons of speed, that he's a forty five future value on Fangrass prospects for
• 47:23
  Mark Longenhangen. But he's got a big old fifty current game powder power future
• 47:29
  sixty with a fifty five speed future sixty speed. And it shows because between
• 47:35
  Double A and Triple A this year he's got eleven homers and fifteen stolen bases.
• 47:40
  In Double A he was really like the one thirteen w RC bus doesn't
• 47:45
  really pop, but he had a two eighty five three fifty two four sixty
• 47:51
  five slash. Obviously, that league environment is a little bloated right now,
• 47:55
  but you can't complain about the walk and strike got right either. He had
• 48:00
  an eighteen point nine strikeout percentage and a nine point four walk percentage in Double
• 48:06
  A and he's kept those walks going into Triple A. In only three games
• 48:09
  so far, he's got seven point one walk percentage, so you know it's
• 48:15
  only fourteen at bats or fourteen plate appearances, but he's already got two steals
• 48:20
  and a homer in triple A and just everything that you read from a scouting
• 48:23
  perceptive is huge, and in terms of glowing and looking for him to be
• 48:30
  a really big piece that, I mean, he's gonna walk into whatever spot
• 48:36
  kind of opens up in Oakland, I think, and be able to hit
• 48:38
  the ground running because let me just check real fast. But I'm pretty sure
• 48:40
  he's on the forty man already, So I don't even even think he requires
• 48:45
  a move necessarily from like a DFA or cutting standpoint, that they can just
• 48:51
  move him right up when they open up a spot and he is. So
• 48:54
  I think he's going to be up if they move literally anybody. Yeah,
• 49:00
  I mean I don't think it's any mystery that Brett Rooker or Seth Brown or
• 49:05
  somebody like that is. Yeah. So I no, like, basically the
• 49:13
  entire lineup outside of Soldier Stimmon lang Leears is on the block at this point,
• 49:21
  so which is I think very much an Oakland a's uh way of life.
• 49:25
  So i'd be ready, who's your next guy? Oh? For me?
• 49:30
  You know, I think the one team that's got probably got the most
• 49:32
  press at this point as far as selling is. You and I's favorite Saint
• 49:37
  Louis Cardinals. Um, and it's weird, one of those interesting teams that
• 49:43
  for all the talent, they have to be in a selling positions. Really
• 49:45
  interesting because they are stocked with his hitters, lots of good hitters, interesting
• 49:52
  hitters. They have nobody that pitches besides Jordan Montgomery at this point. Um,
• 49:57
  you know they're gonna keep rolling out and I'm wayning right until his arm
• 49:59
  falls off, um, just so he can get a few more wins,
• 50:01
  hit some milestones there. But uh, you know, I think one of
• 50:06
  the most likely guys to move is Paul DeJong. Uh for the Cardinals.
• 50:09
  He's been there, starting, starting shortstop. You know, he's hurt for
• 50:13
  part of the year. He came back in a flurry of Homer's uh cooled
• 50:17
  off since then. But you know he's got a very reasonable uh you know
• 50:23
  spot in the lineup. He can he can field well. Uh, he's
• 50:27
  a guy that you want to put it in the pinch, but not be
• 50:29
  the guy you rely on forever. So not gonna be a huge deal.
• 50:32
  But if they move him, I think Mason Wynn is getting called up.
• 50:37
  Uh, Mason Wynn is you know, I think when when you think about
• 50:40
  Mason Wynn, he was drafted just a few years ago. If I recall
• 50:45
  in that same draft as Jordan Walker, and you know he's only got you
• 50:51
  know, he's in his third year in the miners. Uh, and you
• 50:53
  know he's just twenty one years old. Uh. But you know he he's
• 50:58
  made a lot of highlight reels, you know, just based on his arm
• 51:00
  and what he can do from that shorts opposition. But he is no slouch
• 51:05
  at the bat either. You know, he's already in in Triple A this
• 51:08
  this year, he's got eleven Homer's sixteen steal has only been caught twice,
• 51:14
  He's said, in two seventy three, a guy that's only strikes up about
• 51:20
  twice as often as he walks. And so he's getting on base at a
• 51:23
  pretty solid clip and definitely younger than the rest of that level. So I
• 51:29
  think he's a guy that they move a few pieces and they call him up
• 51:32
  to to give him a cameo, to see what they got with him,
• 51:37
  and in a low pressure environment. So Mason Wynn is definitely a guy that
• 51:44
  it's worth taking a quick gamble on because you will know here a week or
• 51:47
  so, and I think the Cardinal is gonna make a number of moves,
• 51:52
  So playing time is gonna open up for a guy like that, Yeah,
• 51:54
  definitely. And you gotta love the steals, and so that's his main calling
• 51:59
  card is the the speed. And I mean he especially I think when he
• 52:02
  comes up like because I think he doesn't swing the bat terribly hard, but
• 52:07
  I think he could be a little bit of like a short stop estory refuse
• 52:10
  almost where he just like has to put the ball in play and use a
• 52:14
  speed that like he could really emphasize that speed on the base pass as well
• 52:19
  and just really go hog wild. He's not in the forty man yet,
• 52:23
  but once you clear out Deyong, like, I would imagine that the Cardinals
• 52:28
  are going to be bringing back pretty young arms at the deadline, and so
• 52:32
  I don't think that's going to have to be an issue. The other guy
• 52:37
  that I was wondering your take on, because I think they probably do trade
• 52:40
  Tyler O'Neill. What do you think do you think it'll be Mois's Gomez time
• 52:45
  in Saint Louis to see if we can get a your mean Mercedes like run
• 52:49
  out of him. You know this kills me to say this, I think
• 52:53
  it would be I think it's the wrong move. I think they need to
• 52:57
  let Joan Carlson tried actually have some consistent playing time because that guy is a
• 53:01
  good fielder, you know, he He's been a average slightly above average hitter
• 53:07
  when they actually give him the playing time. And so I think they need
• 53:10
  to get given out far outfield of Carlson, Newt Bart and Walker a chance
• 53:16
  the rest of the season. Just give him consistent playing time and see see
• 53:20
  what happens. But this is the Cardinals, and they're gonna tinkers. They
• 53:27
  drive me nuts with it. They're gonna probably have Alec Burlison, Moyses Gomez
• 53:30
  up there. Um, they're gonna bring up Mason Winn and they're gonna put
• 53:35
  Brennan Donovan in the outfield just for fun, just to see what happens.
• 53:38
  So, Um, you're not probably wrong, as much as it pains me
• 53:43
  to see. But I do expect a few of those outfielders to move.
• 53:49
  It does look like Carlson, the rumored untouchable last year, and one Soto
• 53:52
  trades as much as I do or do not believe that has fallen quite a
• 53:57
  bit out of favor in Saint Louis. Yeah, and he's been in a
• 54:00
  weird platoon and it's just like they're just kind of let them waste away.
• 54:04
  It's been really strange. Yeah, all right, how well one more one
• 54:07
  more for you on these young young guys with chances of new roles, who
• 54:13
  do you get? All right, Well, I'm gonna go totally opposite to
• 54:16
  our bitter rivals, the Chicago Cubs, And so I think the Cubs are
• 54:22
  gonna sell like they're hanging around and the pithag says they should be better and
• 54:28
  like they just keep playing in this l central. But I think they're gonna
• 54:34
  sell that, like Ricketts is going to force their hand to try to move
• 54:37
  some assets. And it's probably not a terrible idea also because I do think
• 54:44
  that, like if they do get some nice pieces back, like they're going
• 54:47
  to be ready to go next year. That there's got a lot of different
• 54:52
  guys coming up in different arms, and you just got to sign a couple
• 54:55
  dudes. And I mean they're big enough market to put their hat in the
• 54:59
  ring for Shohei. So there's not a lot of like murmurs that that could
• 55:04
  happen, but I wouldn't count them out. But because of that, I
• 55:07
  think you're looking at probably Stroman going and then if you do, if they
• 55:12
  do, decide to trade Cody Bellinger and make a profit. There the two
• 55:15
  dudes I'm looking up looking to come up or Ben Brown, who discussed a
• 55:20
  little bit last week with our Pitching Fantasy Prospects Draft, and he's still chugging
• 55:27
  along at Triple A and kind of struggling with those walks and struggling to put
• 55:30
  it all together. That like, I think it's just kind of maybe also
• 55:34
  a little bit of like what we were talking about with Noelvi, that like
• 55:37
  he's probably just kind of tired of hanging out in Iowa and so he's ready
• 55:42
  to come up and see the big lights. And the other dude is Alexander
• 55:46
  Canario that I found him a couple of years ago. And the way that
• 55:51
  I like to find prospects is just to go through the leaderboards and look at
• 55:55
  aged by w RC plus and just see if there's anybody that really pops.
• 56:01
  And I remember this year from the it was in low A from twenty nineteen
• 56:07
  when he was nineteen years old Alexander Canario for the Giants to put up a
• 56:13
  one fifty two w RC plus and last year he put up a one forty
• 56:17
  three w RC plus as a twentywo year old in Triple A and it's all
• 56:22
  swinged and miss. Like he's from what I've read in terms of the scouting
• 56:28
  reports, like he's super aggressive. He has holes in his swing, but
• 56:30
  like he kind of reminds me almost as like an Alfonso Soriano or something,
• 56:35
  where like he makes great contact when he gets hold of it. And so
• 56:38
  that's why Fan Grass has a thirty grade on his bat but his game power
• 56:44
  future power they got fifty five and a sixty raw power that like this is
• 56:49
  a total boomer Bus guy. And like I think, I mean, you're
• 56:52
  seeing it work with Christopher Morrell and who better to follow in his steps or
• 56:58
  like to have show you like how this profile can work. Then the Cubs
• 57:02
  with Christopher were out that like Canario can do the same thing. Yeah,
• 57:07
  I think the other guy the Cubs might look to move is Kyle Hendricks.
• 57:09
  I know he's he's like a one is he probably now the most tenured Chicago
• 57:15
  Cub. I mean he's got to be right at this point. He's been
• 57:16
  with the club since, you know, for about ten years now, so
• 57:21
  he's got to be the most tenured guy. But you know, he's in
• 57:23
  his age thirty three season. I think this is the last year of his
• 57:30
  contract. He's got a vesting option. I don't I don't know the details
• 57:31
  on the up top of my head. Uh so, but I have to
• 57:35
  think that they look to move a guy like Kyle Hendricks. Uh you know,
• 57:38
  throw back to the nineties with his very massive five point seven four kas
• 57:45
  per nine. Uh not. We're not targeting Kyle Hendricks to help our our
• 57:50
  fantasy lineups, but the potential of what opens up there is that place is
• 57:54
  interesting. He's actually the kind of guy I think the Reds might look to
• 57:58
  pull in just tolidify the back of that rotation. Yeah, it'll be interesting
• 58:01
  to see if they pull the trigger on going inside the division for a trade,
• 58:07
  but especially with like they're gonna be at each other's like next in terms
• 58:13
  of battling for the innal Central next year, so it would be a good
• 58:16
  fit. But maybe like maybe some other team trades for Kyle Hendricks and then
• 58:20
  the Reds get them from that other team or like a three way trade or
• 58:22
  something. Yeah, something like that. But hey, it's just the Cubs.
• 58:27
  I'm not gonna hold my birth breast and I understand what's what's going on
• 58:30
  there. Sometimes okay, well it is closer time then, So those are
• 58:36
  the guys that we like from getting bigger shares of playing time because they're younger
• 58:40
  and have exciting pass But now let's go some pretty ugly and unexciting closer pass
• 58:46
  just because we need saves. I'll let you go with your first one.
• 58:51
  Who which one is kind of like your most intriguing one and what you're looking
• 58:54
  at the most Yeah, I think I think the probably the most intriguing guy.
• 59:00
  I don't know that this, uh. I think all the stars have
• 59:02
  to lie here, but over in San Diego, I think Josh Hayter might
• 59:07
  have a chance of getting moved, and wherever Hater goes, he's going to
• 59:10
  be the closer. That's just I think a given. There's very few places
• 59:15
  in the league that he can land and not be the guy. So I'm
• 59:19
  not worried about his role. But Roberts Soarez was kind of lights out last
• 59:23
  year and kind of his second hand man. He's been hurt most of this
• 59:28
  year, but he's just coming back now. I think, you know,
• 59:30
  Nick Martinez probably picks up some saves in the meantime, while Swarez gets right
• 59:35
  and as Wres, I think has a chance to run without a role and
• 59:37
  really prove that he's their closure, not just the rest of this year and
• 59:42
  end the next year. And so I think, you know, my my
• 59:45
  favorite target was Robert Soarez. I think he's the price of admission is very
• 59:50
  low. I don't don't. I haven't looked up his ownership percentages here,
• 59:53
  but I'm guessing it's one. It is a percentage, it is not well
• 1:00:00
  whole percentage points at this point. So I'm looking at San Diego and saying,
• 1:00:04
  hey, Josh Hayter might be moved. And you know that San Diego
• 1:00:08
  team is always willing to shake things up and move things around, uh with
• 1:00:13
  with Preller over there, So um, let's let's see what happens. How
• 1:00:17
  about you, who's your guy? You're you're chasing well, and I just
• 1:00:21
  wanted to on San Diego too, just um, I do I agree with
• 1:00:25
  you with Hayter, But I mean, honestly, I'm not totally sure who's
• 1:00:30
  gonna get it. Like Stephen Wilson's having a great year. Tom Cosgrove,
• 1:00:34
  who who I don't even know who he is, but he has like a
• 1:00:38
  sub one R and sub one whip and he's from the left side. Tim
• 1:00:43
  Hill always looks great. Les Garcia has been in a closer role, So
• 1:00:47
  I do think that Hayter is gonna get moved if they don't go on a
• 1:00:51
  hot streak here. But I'm not sure who to target. If I'm being
• 1:00:55
  perfectly honest with you, Yeah, I agree. Uh, it's it's not
• 1:01:00
  a guarantee. But that's why I'm looking at Suarez going if there's one guy
• 1:01:05
  that could that could has that mentality, I think he's it. I think
• 1:01:10
  I feel like Tim Guys like Tim Hill. Hill has been putting that position
• 1:01:14
  so many guts darned times that he crumbles every time he gets there. Um,
• 1:01:19
  you know, guys, would be really interesting to see there's a Brent
• 1:01:21
  Honeywell. I think that would be really interesting to see a guy like that.
• 1:01:24
  They used him a lot in more when they're from behind, or like
• 1:01:28
  when they're loosing, or like they have like kind of mop up innings.
• 1:01:31
  So yeah, he's kind of the long relief you know Phil Filler, but
• 1:01:36
  I just love Brent honeywell for some reason. Yet scall that maybe that's just
• 1:01:42
  I want to see a closer with a screwball. Yeah, um so yeah.
• 1:01:45
  I think the one that I like the most right now for somebody who
• 1:01:49
  could be closing in two weeks time is Gregory Santos from the White Sox.
• 1:01:53
  So I know he's like fifth on the depth chart for relief pictures right out
• 1:02:00
  because in front of him right now is Graveman, Lopez, Middleton Bummer technically,
• 1:02:06
  and so yeah, he'd be fifth. And then obviously you've got William
• 1:02:09
  Hendricks coming back, and Joe Kelly's on the shelf too. But of those,
• 1:02:15
  I wouldn't be surprised if Joe Kelly, Kendall, Graveman, Rainaldo Lopez,
• 1:02:21
  and Kenyon Middleton all are out the door. And so I think that
• 1:02:25
  like this White Sex team might clear house and it's gonna be ugly, man,
• 1:02:30
  It's gonna be so ugly because especially if they trade, if they trade
• 1:02:36
  Gilito and lance Lynn, I mean, Geeledo's probably got to go, and
• 1:02:38
  I think they trade lance Lynn too. Yeah, Jesse Shulton's will be starting,
• 1:02:45
  I guess Clevenger's coming back, but this team has no pitching, so
• 1:02:50
  there's nobody coming up from Triple A to take Santos's job. And he's looked
• 1:02:52
  really great this year, like he's just kind of been super solid in his
• 1:02:58
  kind of seventh eighth inning role. And um, I used to confuse him
• 1:03:01
  all the time with Jose Ruise when those guys were in the bullpen together,
• 1:03:05
  but Santos is far superior to Ruise. And so he's got eight seven five
• 1:03:10
  K nine two sixty six r RA right now, and just he's got the
• 1:03:15
  bound presence to be a closer that I think he's gonna be the last man's
• 1:03:20
  standing in Chicago after the entire bullpen gets gutted, because I don't see why
• 1:03:23
  the White Socks have any need for any of those guys. Yeah, and
• 1:03:28
  he looks prototypical closer, right. He's a fastball slider from ninety eight up
• 1:03:32
  there. With with his fastball, they'd probably touching the ninety nine. You're
• 1:03:36
  you're the White Sox guy. I have to imagine he's hit triple digits.
• 1:03:39
  But so he definitely looks the part. The question I have is what Liam
• 1:03:44
  Hendricks is he is he going to come back to for him. I mean,
• 1:03:47
  I give the guy credit. He's he's battled a lot over the last
• 1:03:52
  year, and so everybody's rooting for him, and you know, he had
• 1:03:55
  a wonderful speech the other day. Yeah, it's great. But you know,
• 1:04:00
  do you think Hendris gets back to form this year or do you think
• 1:04:04
  somebody like Santos has a chance to run with the role and make it his.
• 1:04:10
  Yeah, I'm worried about Liam's elbow, to be honest, considering that
• 1:04:14
  he was out last year with that like forum inflammation that looked like it was
• 1:04:17
  going to be Tommy John and now he's got the elbow issue that, like,
• 1:04:21
  I think he's not in great shape. So I'm not sure. Liam
• 1:04:26
  still doesn't have like a great timeline for a return. And I mean,
• 1:04:30
  obviously he's made a miraculous return from the non hodgkins On and FOMA and everything,
• 1:04:35
  but I think he still needs like another year just to kind of get
• 1:04:40
  his feet underneath him. And I think they'll let Santos take that job,
• 1:04:45
  And honestly, if Liam's healthy, they might trade him anyway, because like
• 1:04:49
  the market for relievers is going to be these guys are rattling off except for
• 1:04:57
  Hayter, Like the rest of them aren't terribly exciting. And so if Liam
• 1:05:02
  is healthy, like the White Socks need to do the best to kind of
• 1:05:06
  make over this team on they can. Yeah, I'm with you. I
• 1:05:12
  don't think Hendrix gets healthy in time for the trade deadline. But you're right,
• 1:05:16
  it's either they want to give him the time and give him a chance
• 1:05:19
  to get back to who he was and then cash in on that chip later.
• 1:05:24
  So all right, who's here next one? What's the next situation you're
• 1:05:28
  looking at? Well? I think that the next one for me, and
• 1:05:30
  I'm going back to the well that we talked about earlier, back to Saint
• 1:05:32
  Louis. We talked about there being a lack of pitching, and I didn't
• 1:05:36
  need to clarify a lack of starting pitching in Saint Louis. They do have
• 1:05:41
  a number of guys in the bullpen that are that are interesting. I think
• 1:05:45
  the number one is the one that's put on display right now is Jordan Hicks.
• 1:05:49
  Jordan Hicks to me, is a wild card. Every time he takes
• 1:05:54
  the mound. He reminds me a little bit of Trevor Rosenthal when he was
• 1:05:56
  with the Cardinals. Um, you knew he was going to throw it hard.
• 1:06:00
  Nobody including him knew where it was going. Uh. So I think
• 1:06:03
  you know, Hicks, though his has looked lights out for the last you
• 1:06:05
  know, a few weeks, UM, maybe even a little longer, he's
• 1:06:10
  got that role. So I think that there's a high likelihood. I'm I'm
• 1:06:15
  putting seventy eighty percent likelihood that Hicks is out of out of Saint Louis here
• 1:06:18
  within the next four or five days. Um. And uh Giovanni Diaegos is
• 1:06:25
  gonna inherit that role until Ryan Helsley is healthy. Uh Diaegos, Um.
• 1:06:30
  I don't think Saint Louis is gonna move Diaegos. Uh. It seems he
• 1:06:33
  seems to be one of those guys that they just love. Um. He's
• 1:06:36
  consistent, he's not flashy anything like that. So I think they're gonna hold
• 1:06:41
  him. I don't know it's the right move, but I think they're gonna
• 1:06:43
  They're gonna hold Diegos. And if you're looking for a short, short term
• 1:06:46
  and I'm not sure whin Helsley is gonna get back, I think Diaegos can
• 1:06:50
  pick up a number of saves here probably the next month, gotcha? Yeah,
• 1:06:56
  I agree that. Like if Gagos doesn't move that, I'm I don't
• 1:07:00
  even think I want anybody else left in that pin. So you Ryan Tapero.
• 1:07:04
  They picked him up. He looked fantastic yesterday. Sorry sarcasm, very
• 1:07:11
  very dry. VP voter, MVP vote getter. Yes, was all right.
• 1:07:17
  How about you? Who else you got on your list? I mean,
• 1:07:20
  so it's time to go back to Oakland? I mean Trevor May is
• 1:07:25
  gone. He wasn't signed to a one year free agent deal. I think
• 1:07:29
  correct. Let me check that it's either one or two, but like I
• 1:07:32
  think it was I think it was one. Yeah, Trevor May is gone.
• 1:07:35
  Um yeah, their two dudes who could get it. One is much
• 1:07:40
  more exciting than other. Cintaro Fujinami is the exciting one. Even though he
• 1:07:44
  has the terrible stats. He's been absolutely lights out as of late that just
• 1:07:49
  watching him, he looks so much more electric out of the bullpen in the
• 1:07:55
  month of July and seven innings he's got a here's the slash line he's allowed
• 1:08:00
  is one thirty six, one seventy four, three eighteen with ten k's to
• 1:08:04
  one walk. He looks fantastic. Let's hope he gets it. They have
• 1:08:10
  been using him in like a longer relief role. And then if he doesn't
• 1:08:13
  get it, I think the other person that could would be Lucas Ersigum just
• 1:08:18
  I don't know if there's nobody else in that pen, like it's a it's
• 1:08:21
  a weird pen. And so Lucas he currently has a thirteen point one K
• 1:08:28
  nine. The walks are a little high and the air is a little high.
• 1:08:31
  They' actually both at five eight eight. But he's got great stuff.
• 1:08:36
  He's got the classic kind of fastball slider combo. And so I think I
• 1:08:42
  would, honestly, I would pick up Fujinami because like he's been great enough
• 1:08:45
  as of late that he could just be a bulk reliever option. And but
• 1:08:50
  Ersig I would keep in the back of my mind in case you hear any
• 1:08:54
  rumblings that Fujinami might not get it. But here's the one I'm gonna have
• 1:08:58
  to finally disagree with you on. Okay, it's it's not gonna be either
• 1:09:01
  of those guys. Is the closer. It's gonna be Danny Jimenez. Uh,
• 1:09:05
  he's just coming back. He just got his first rehab appearance set today.
• 1:09:11
  Um, and he's gonna go back to Triple A Las Vegas, which
• 1:09:14
  is probably gonna be wonderful for his confidence. And I'm pretty sure sure things
• 1:09:16
  just fly on that out of that ballpark there. But he's he's getting his
• 1:09:21
  first rehab appearance after doing some live VP sessions. And this is a guy
• 1:09:28
  that just last year had eleven says for him, Um with you know a
• 1:09:31
  three four one r a one one point two whip. Uh, he looked
• 1:09:36
  closer worthy. Um he has. He's only made a whole six and two
• 1:09:41
  thirds of innings this year, so I'm not sure how much there is a
• 1:09:46
  ramp up he needs. But I think Danny Menez actually comes back and claims
• 1:09:50
  that that closure role because you know, they want to see what they got
• 1:09:54
  the young guy there. Uh. And it looked like just last year that
• 1:09:58
  they were going to invest him as their cloth or the future. Yeah,
• 1:10:00
  we'll get you. Looking at those Las Vegas game notes, I didn't actually
• 1:10:03
  know he's coming back. I mean the other thing that does make me think
• 1:10:06
  though, is that if they get him rehabbed, him back into the majors
• 1:10:12
  by August first, he might be gone too. I don't think that you're
• 1:10:16
  gonna get him back that quickly, but you're not wrong. Yeah, So
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  we'll put our bets down and we'll see at the end of the season who
• 1:10:25
  has the most saves from their Oakland Athletics predicted closers. I think it's gonna
• 1:10:29
  be a one to nothing. It's gonna be like one to one to one.
• 1:10:35
  They have to win a game to get some saves. Well, oh
• 1:10:38
  yeah exactly. I mean yeah, they have twenty five wins. It's terrible.
• 1:10:42
  Um, all right, one more quick one, YEA one more quick
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  one for me. I think going out to Detroit, I think Jason Fooley
• 1:10:49
  starts picking up some says. We already seeing him get a little bit of
• 1:10:53
  action so far in the last few weeks here. But I think Alex Lang
• 1:11:00
  I think is actually incredibly talented uh again, has some control issues. I
• 1:11:03
  think he's a guy that is likely on the move. I think it's time
• 1:11:08
  for Detroit to to cash in on him. He's he's not gonna be a
• 1:11:10
  closer. Probably wherever he goes, he's going to be, you know,
• 1:11:13
  that seventh eighth inning guy that some somebody's looking at uh to to bring in.
• 1:11:17
  So I think that you know fully ends up uh catching you know,
• 1:11:23
  catching that job uh in in Detroit. Um, I don't think that they
• 1:11:29
  move him. You know, he's only got like a year of service time,
• 1:11:31
  so they've got a little bit of a time with him to try things
• 1:11:34
  out, and he's been he's been looking very solid overall, uh for for
• 1:11:41
  for the Tigers. So uh yeah, he's he might already be picked up
• 1:11:44
  in your league, but if not, he's a he's a very good gamble
• 1:11:47
  uh to take at this point, and he's not gonna hurt you even if
• 1:11:49
  you just have him as a miner relief option. A guy that's been very
• 1:11:55
  very solid this year, uh surprising for a closer type guy. He's he's
• 1:12:00
  walking less than two guys per nine and he did that last year too,
• 1:12:02
  So that's definitely intriguing for a guy that can get groundballs and control the controller
• 1:12:09
  on the back end. I remember the last time Detroit had a closure that
• 1:12:13
  didn't look like they were going to uploade every other every other outing. So
• 1:12:17
  yeah, and then I've got two quick ones here to wrap us up with
• 1:12:24
  the Royals. With Scott Barlow, he's probably out the door and much again
• 1:12:28
  a last man standing source of situation. Carlos Hernandez is there. He's been
• 1:12:32
  pitching in the setup role. Like I know who's a Kuas is there,
• 1:12:35
  but Carlos Hernandez. They've been clearly trying to train him up for this role.
• 1:12:42
  He's got a great strikeout right right now at ten point two per nine
• 1:12:47
  and two and a half walks per nine three eight six c A, but
• 1:12:50
  only have a two eight or two sixty eight fifth that He's been a great
• 1:12:56
  picture and I think he's going to be a great option. I've suggested him
• 1:12:59
  as a pickup for just a relief option if you need innings, and I
• 1:13:01
  think you can keep rolling with him because he's gonna get that closer job.
• 1:13:05
  The last one is going to be just the Mets. I think the Mets
• 1:13:10
  are going to clean house like the Socks. We'll see where they go.
• 1:13:13
  But it kind of leaves Brooks Raley and Drew Smith and I don't know if
• 1:13:15
  I'm really interested in either, but one of those dudes is probably gonna end
• 1:13:19
  up being the closer. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not really dearly
• 1:13:23
  excited about anything there. I think we're just gonna pack it in for the
• 1:13:26
  bets at this point and come back next year. Yep, let's go Mets.
• 1:13:31
  But yeah, I think with that we'll wrap it up for the week,
• 1:13:33
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• 1:13:40
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• 1:13:43
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