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Drafting for Future and Draft Class Overview | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, May 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to James Drive Time with John Osher Person and
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  Speaker 1: Bryan sexty six.
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  Speaker 2: James Drive Time starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: And Tom Peterson hip coaches are you I'm gad you don't,
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  Speaker 3: coach man. We're gonna sit.
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  Speaker 2: Here and make you the twenty seven.
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  Speaker 4: Up taking this draft? How about that?
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'll put it.
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  Speaker 4: You're her you're ready ready.
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  Speaker 3: To come to work?
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  Speaker 2: Hear.
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  Speaker 3: We're looking forward to enjoying, enjoy these next few minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Here's here's our general manager.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations, we're get ready to submit the name. I'm more
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  Speaker 2: to mister Cohn, our owner wants to say.
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  Speaker 5: I do okay, okay, get you're ready to work though,
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  Speaker 5: right man?
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  Speaker 4: Definitely all right?
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  Speaker 5: Buddy? Here you is, Hey, Anton, pretty hard man, okay,
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  Speaker 5: enjoyed tonight before the hard lifting starts.
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  Speaker 4: So excited to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Look forward to meeting you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would say the expectations for Anton Harrison are
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. Right, work hard, play hard, party, hard, party hard,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. You love it when the owners says that
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  Speaker 1: to you. Good morning, Welcome in to JAG's Drive Time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Brian Sexton. You all know the senior editor, senior
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  Speaker 1: writer John Oser and post draft, after months of mock
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  Speaker 1: drafts and speculation, here we are with a thirteen member
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  Speaker 1: draft class John the largest enfranchise history. I said it
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday night. It was a solid draft. And the
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  Speaker 1: more that I went and watched some video of these
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  Speaker 1: guys and looked at what people had written about them
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  Speaker 1: and went through the draft guides, the more I think
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  Speaker 1: that the Jaguars, it's a bunch of doubles, right, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe Anton Harrison's a home run, but it's a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of moving guys around the bases. And the reality of
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  Speaker 1: it is is that's what you do when you have
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  Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. You just keep stocking the roster.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not big on draft grades, but I did
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  Speaker 6: notice most of the people who really dig into the
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  Speaker 6: draft and do a lot of work before the raft
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  Speaker 6: and talk to people grated about a bee And again,
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  Speaker 6: the Seahawks draft with Russell Wilson famously got an f
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  Speaker 6: from people. So I'm not a big pre draft person.
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  Speaker 6: But the reason I mentioned that is I think a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people who really studied guys beyond quote the
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  Speaker 6: sexy picks, liked a lot about these picks. Brenton strange
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  Speaker 6: tank bigsby. Anton Harrison was not quote ranked high, but
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  Speaker 6: you started hearing after the draft there were teams that
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  Speaker 6: were really considering him in the top twenty and teams
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  Speaker 6: who were going to jump.
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  Speaker 2: At him fast if he got past the jag. So
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  Speaker 2: it was a draft to me.
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  Speaker 6: The overriding part of this draft top three picks to
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  Speaker 6: me fit what Doug Peterson wants to do offensively. It
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  Speaker 6: gets you two tight ends that you can really rely
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  Speaker 6: on in the passing game. It gets you an option
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  Speaker 6: if travisse Etn is not available or needs a breather,
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  Speaker 6: It gives you a big time talent option there. It
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  Speaker 6: feels more like a Doug Peterson offense. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: that they went into that with that, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 6: get a Doug Peterson offense in here, but they were
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  Speaker 6: clearly leaning that way and looking for opportunities to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought they did it all right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started with big things here on a Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: morning from Tia banks Field, and we'll start with a
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  Speaker 1: big guy, Anton Harrison. He was apparently their guy all along.
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  Speaker 1: If John alluded to the stories yesterday, Peter King in
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  Speaker 1: his Football Morning in America column referenced the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders were talking about moving back and taking him
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  Speaker 1: at twelve. So for the Jaguars to sit at twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven with the addition of draft choices from two moves back,
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  Speaker 1: puts them in a position with the player they want,
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  Speaker 1: in a position that they needed.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of consistency in this game. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you love everything about his land and athleticism, how he moves,
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  Speaker 3: his strength, you know, all things as Trent mentioned, that
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  Speaker 3: will fit us. And you know, we're just excited for
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  Speaker 3: Anton and just getting in that offensive line room, getting
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  Speaker 3: around you know, the other guys in that room, and get.
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  Speaker 2: Getting to work.
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  Speaker 1: And that'll start next week when the rookies arrived for
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  Speaker 1: Mini camp.
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  Speaker 2: Big thing to the board.
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  Speaker 1: Look, the Jaguars didn't go into the weekend thinking we're
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  Speaker 1: going to put together the largest draft class in franchise history.
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  Speaker 1: This was not thought to be a deep draft, not
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  Speaker 1: thought to be a draft beyond the fourth round that
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of pop.
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  Speaker 2: But the Jaguars saw the board fall that way.
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  Speaker 1: After many attempts to use the capitol and move back
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  Speaker 1: up failed, well, they just stayed put and picked.
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  Speaker 5: We tried to trade up today, we went through fifteen
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  Speaker 5: or sixteen teams when we were trying to trade up
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  Speaker 5: every team behind us and no one would make a move.
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  Speaker 5: So you know that happened to us several times, and
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  Speaker 5: the times we were able to trade back, we just
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  Speaker 5: felt at the time that we could trade back and
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  Speaker 5: get the players that we were planning on picking anyway,
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  Speaker 5: and were able to do that. So it's just all
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  Speaker 5: the draft went this.
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  Speaker 1: Year and finally better, because that's what you hope that
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  Speaker 1: this draft class does, is make your ross your better.
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  Speaker 1: John your reverence tank, big speed, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: folks are thinking, well, he didn't do that much when
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  Speaker 1: he was at Auburn, but Alabama offered him in suburban Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: where he drew up, Alabama offered him his freshman year
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  Speaker 1: in high school. He's a five star prospect and a
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  Speaker 1: guy who made the most of his opportunities at Auburn.
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  Speaker 1: But that's sort of how the entire thirteen member draft
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  Speaker 1: class pans out. They're good football players who have an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to, no matter what their circumstances were at Auburn
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  Speaker 1: or Texas, A and M or wherever they played college football,
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  Speaker 1: come in and compete here in Jacksonville to make the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars a better football team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to improve as a football team. We
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  Speaker 3: still left a lot of plays on the field last fall,
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  Speaker 3: both sides of ball really all three fits and and
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  Speaker 3: so for us, it's it's not focusing on other teams
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  Speaker 3: as much as it is just us getting better and
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  Speaker 3: and it'll start this off season and it would carry
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  Speaker 3: over into training camp.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, we have to we have to improve. But
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  Speaker 2: it is it is.
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  Speaker 3: Nice knowing that you have, you know, the one piece
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  Speaker 3: which is a big piece obviously the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 2: And those are big things. Just give you one more.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned Bixby, the safety Antonio Johnson, who went to
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  Speaker 1: Texas A and M was the number two safety prospect
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  Speaker 1: in America, behind only Brian Branch who went in the
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  Speaker 1: second round of the Detroit Lions. So just because these
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  Speaker 1: aren't guys that maybe you watched every weekend, and those
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  Speaker 1: two are guys that we saw in the SEC, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean they weren't highly thought of prospects with an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to come in here and do something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things in the big things.
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  Speaker 6: I've gotten a lot of emails saying, well, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 6: gambled by trading back and then couldn't trade back up.
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  Speaker 2: So that makes the draft of failure. I got well, and.
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  Speaker 6: If if Brian big if, if they had indeed gambled,
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  Speaker 6: I could see that thought. But the trade backs that
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  Speaker 6: netted the four additional picks, the am getting the math right.
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  Speaker 6: They had four additional picks, they went it with, nine
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  Speaker 6: came out thirteen. Had they lost players that they wanted,
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  Speaker 6: then I could see those being gambled. If you had said, okay,
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  Speaker 6: we really want Anton Harrison, I'm sorry, so we're going
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  Speaker 6: to trade back and then lose Anton Harrison to gain
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  Speaker 6: those picks and then not be able to use them,
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  Speaker 6: then your plan failed. As it was, they traded back
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  Speaker 6: three spots to get three of the picks and still
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  Speaker 6: got the guy they wanted. They traded back Brenton Strange,
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  Speaker 6: I forget how far five yep, and but one of
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  Speaker 6: Brenton Strange. So there was no loss therefore no risk.
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  Speaker 6: So they couldn't use the capital that they got, so
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  Speaker 6: they just stayed put.
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  Speaker 2: But it didn't cost them anything to do it. Is
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  Speaker 2: my point.
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  Speaker 6: How many times, and this is I understand why people
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  Speaker 6: think about the draft.
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  Speaker 2: This way. The other criticism I've heard.
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  Speaker 6: Is, well, you need to get starters in the first
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  Speaker 6: three rounds. Okay, Well, I think Anton Harrison could be
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  Speaker 6: a start.
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  Speaker 1: The media starters, well, starters, Garrison's going to be right?
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  Speaker 1: How many times let the NFL is not a league
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  Speaker 1: of eleven on eleven? I know personally there were times
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  Speaker 1: last year where I said to myself, I wonder whether
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  Speaker 1: they or not like using more tight end packages just
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  Speaker 1: and then the second thing I wondered a lot is
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  Speaker 1: but wonder what they're going to do if they don't
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  Speaker 1: have Travis in second half the season as a legitimate
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  Speaker 1: guy to come in out of Travis CTMJ Jmichael Hasty
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  Speaker 1: was a nice change of pace, insert big touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, and he filled a role.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's a nice NFL player, but not an
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  Speaker 6: every now But I don't know that you want him
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  Speaker 6: starting and being the reliable Well, well, now, if they
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  Speaker 6: don't have etn, you're not panicked anymore. So how worried
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  Speaker 6: would you have been late in that playoff run if
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  Speaker 6: they hadn't had Travis at.
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  Speaker 1: On VTN made one of the plays of the year
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  Speaker 1: with the twenty five yard run. There just seut of
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  Speaker 1: the game winner against the Chargers.
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  Speaker 6: So you need about fourteen fifteen sixteen guys offense, five
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  Speaker 6: oence alignment and the quarterback or I was gonna say
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  Speaker 6: the same the other guys. Doug likes having ten or
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  Speaker 6: so guys for those six spots. The draft this weekend
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  Speaker 6: gave them two more guys, and I think he feels
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  Speaker 6: like at some point this season are going to be
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  Speaker 6: legitimate parts of that puzzle. That's not nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, and Trent mentioned this in his
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  Speaker 1: news conference on Saturday night. Undrafted rookie free agency has
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  Speaker 1: gotten to be an expensive proposition because teams are out
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  Speaker 1: there competing and throwing dollars around. So with the extra
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  Speaker 1: four picks, you basically got a jumpstart on guys that
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  Speaker 1: you were interested in bringing in as undrafted rookies. You
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  Speaker 1: were able to secure the services without bidding against other
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  Speaker 1: teams for them, and roster management will become incredibly difficult,
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  Speaker 1: challenging and important next year if the Jaguars go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and give Trevor Lawrence his first bite to that big apple,
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  Speaker 1: which is now we know more than fifty three million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: So having extra picks gives you extra flexibility gives you
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  Speaker 1: fixed cost labor. I don't want say cheap labor, because
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  Speaker 1: nothing in this league is cheap. But they're gonna play
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  Speaker 1: at a fixed cost for a couple of years, which
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  Speaker 1: helps you manage the upper end of the roster. And
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, we've never seen it in Jacksonville. We've never
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  Speaker 1: seen the mega contract. You can say Nick Foles, but
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  Speaker 1: it was one year. We've never seen that. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to manage it over time because it was never there
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  Speaker 1: and they've never had that guy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they fifty three guys is kind of a
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  Speaker 6: missing over in this league. Now, you really need about sixty.
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  Speaker 6: Some of these guys will be practice squad guys to start,
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure, but they'll be available guys.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be parts of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I'm not sitting here saying that it was the
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  Speaker 6: sexiest draft I've ever seen, But if you're going to
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  Speaker 6: pick twenty seven to be at bottom of the draft,
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  Speaker 6: I covered an awful lot of drafts with the Colts
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  Speaker 6: that weren't very sexy, and they kept going to the
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  Speaker 6: playoffs because they kept having good players late in the
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  Speaker 6: first round.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, there are big things to kick the show
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  Speaker 1: off this morning. When we come back, we'll go a
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  Speaker 1: little deeper. We'll look at some position by position groups,
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  Speaker 1: see where these guys fit in, and discuss more of
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars solid draft class from last weekend. At least
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  Speaker 1: that's my opinion. We'll be back right after this on
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  Speaker 1: Jagg's draft time.
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  Speaker 5: There's always time to add, you know. And we're in
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  Speaker 5: a good situation from a cap perspective, a lot less
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  Speaker 5: tight on the cap than we were a year ago.
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  Speaker 5: There's room to work here. We're not you know, Coach
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  Speaker 5: and I talked about this right after the draft. We're
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  Speaker 5: not done putting this team together. We're gonna take a
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  Speaker 5: hard look at what we have. We got a great
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  Speaker 5: chance with these young guys coming in in a couple
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  Speaker 5: of weeks and then over the next month or so
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  Speaker 5: watching them as they go through the offseason program and
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  Speaker 5: really kind of assess where we're at.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Drag's Drive time, Brian section along with
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  Speaker 1: John Osher.
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  Speaker 2: You have a thought.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that tells me, Brian, that comment sounds like a
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  Speaker 6: veteran pass rusher. And for this reason, if you looked,
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  Speaker 6: I think they would have liked to have gotten an
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  Speaker 6: edge guy somewhere in the drafts, and they did.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they really looked at that.
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  Speaker 6: I think if there had been a really good edge
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  Speaker 6: that they really loved at twenty four, I think they
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  Speaker 6: strongly considered it. That's a tough spot to get there,
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  Speaker 6: especially if you're trying to get some immediate impact. So
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  Speaker 6: it and this is just sort of putting three and
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  Speaker 6: four together and getting six.
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  Speaker 2: But if you.
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  Speaker 6: Go into this and think, Okay, I don't love the
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  Speaker 6: edges here, and I'm going to commit a ton of
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  Speaker 6: money in the first round to one that I don't
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  Speaker 6: necessarily trust, or I can go out on the market
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  Speaker 6: and maybe give some short term money for some immediate
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  Speaker 6: gain that I'm not committed to forever because you're committed
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  Speaker 6: to that first round or four years. Maybe that played
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  Speaker 6: into philosophically a little bit. Also, wouldn't It still wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: stun me if if they looked at Corner, you know,
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  Speaker 6: for Nickel, they they talk about Trey Herndon, and I
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  Speaker 6: like Trey. I wonder if they wouldn't try to find
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  Speaker 6: veteran there just to compete with him, get, you know,
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  Speaker 6: have that piece of the puzzle at Nickel. Again, as
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  Speaker 6: I hear anything, it's just looking. Those are the two
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  Speaker 6: spots that you feel like you may be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's throw up a couple of graphics
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  Speaker 1: and show you how it stacks up. Again, totally unofficial,
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  Speaker 1: just putting names up here. So let's take a look
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  Speaker 1: at the offensive line group first, because of Anton Harrison's
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  Speaker 1: arrival and the pending suspension of Cam Robinson and Cam
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  Speaker 1: obviously he's not listed there at this particular moment. But
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  Speaker 1: when you see a big right tackle, because let's be honest,
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  Speaker 1: cold Van Lannon's not that guy, right, Blake Hans is
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  Speaker 1: not that guy. To be able to have that right
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  Speaker 1: tackle gives you a lot of comforts probably the strong word,
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  Speaker 1: but you feel good about having a big, talented young guy,
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  Speaker 1: even if he's inexperienced against NFL pass rushers with this
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  Speaker 1: offensive line group.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wonder.
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  Speaker 6: How it'll look because Doug said the other night, and
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  Speaker 6: how he's gonna start a right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: That puts Walker little at left. You wonder how it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna play out. I would imagine he'd stay it left,
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  Speaker 2: don't you think so? After Cam gets back? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's going to be the.
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  Speaker 1: Left long term left tackle here, So why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 1: just leave him there? And by the way, if Harrison
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  Speaker 1: is as good as they hope he is, yeah, Cam's
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  Speaker 1: going to become a swing guy, right, I mean again,
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  Speaker 1: talking about the guy with the highest cap figure on
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  Speaker 1: your roster, it seems preposterous to say that. But his
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  Speaker 1: number is such that he's probably not going to be
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  Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't see him being aw I've got to
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  Speaker 6: think they try to get all three on the field.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a fascinating conversation and I don't know
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  Speaker 6: the answer to it.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know how many games he's he's been suspended
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  Speaker 1: for yet, right, and it'll be two fours, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't But I think the fascinating thing is that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure they know exactly how it's gonna play out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I.
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  Speaker 6: Think it's it's okay, I think that well, but if
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  Speaker 6: you think about it, I also think this time last year.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Walker Little was going to start a right tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah too.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a staff that will allow this to
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  Speaker 6: play out over the course of the right amount of
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  Speaker 6: time to figure out how this might work.
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  Speaker 1: And I would suppose that, and it's a good problem
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  Speaker 1: to have if it's a two game suspension, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So maybe he comes in, he goes right back to
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  Speaker 1: right tackle. Who knows, and Harrison could slide somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: But Doug was pretty direct on Friday in his news
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  Speaker 1: conference and talking about he's going to be the right tackle.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we're working. If it's four or six games,
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  Speaker 1: that could change the dynamic for sure. How about a
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  Speaker 1: look at the defensive line to give you a sense
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  Speaker 1: of where this particular group is heading in And congratulations
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  Speaker 1: to Devon Hamilton who got his long term contract. And
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  Speaker 1: you see that they add Tyler Lacy who's a big
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  Speaker 1: bodied sort of Dwan Smoot kind of guy, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit bigger than Dwan to two hundred and eighty pounds,
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  Speaker 1: but a guy who can play three technique five technique.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a wide nine rusher John, but he's that
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  Speaker 1: kind of depth that they don't have with Dwan Smoot
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  Speaker 1: coming off injury, not on the roster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you need that.
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  Speaker 6: Again, I look at their defensive personnel and it's as
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  Speaker 6: hybrid as it gets right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we.
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: Always talk about three four four three whatever You've got
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: a lot of guys who can play a lot of
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: different roles, and that's what you need in the modern NFL.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: I like Lacy from what I've seen of him, and
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: I think your comparison is dead on Smoot, whose incredible
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: value to this team was always being able to get
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: a little bit of extra oomph wherever you happen.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: To put him.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: He could go edge out, wide nine, but he could
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: play off the edge, play defensive tackle, play defensive end.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: If Lacey's Smoot and you got him in the fourth round,
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: you love that pick.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the defensive backs because this
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: is obviously an area of focus that people think they
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: haven't quite addressed. And you see, here's a couple of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: names right before we talk about the rookies.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: How about Gregory.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Junior and Monteric Brown sixth and seventh round picks last year.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And this is an area that people just they gloss
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: over it. They think you only add by bringing new
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: players in. But what if those two guys are appreciably
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: better in their second year. That'd be a big step up.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Monterak out on the field some last year, Gregory Junior
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: really didn't. But when we talk about adding a corner in. Oh,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I don't see his name up there, the young man
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: from Rutgers right right. You add him, and you say, well,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's a guy going to do in the
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: seventh round? But you got those two guys that you
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: hope are in front of him, and he doesn't have
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to come in and play right.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Away, you hope, And I think this is the uh.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: And if Trent were sitting here, he would tell you this.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: If you're going to be a draft and developed team,
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: you need your Day one.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And Day two picks to be really, really good.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: You also need, if you're drafting over the course of
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: three or four years, once every a couple of years,
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: you need a sixth round, seventh round guy to be
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: able to at least place hold a spot in the
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: lineup for you for a year or two. Because if
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: you're going to have the huge contracts at the top,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: and not just quarterback, but if you're gonna have the
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: star contracts that are really carrying you a those players
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: have to be good enough to carry non stars to
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: the playoffs. But then you've got to have some late
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: round picks because you can't draft everything that you need
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: to supplement those big contracts. Even in the rotation we're
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: talking about the four year rotation.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And draft picks.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: If you draft him and they're gone, you can't do
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: all that in the first, second and third round. You
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: need some fifth and sixth and seventh round picks to
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: come in and fill that hole.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Ideally that would happen.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: At cornerback this year because you drafted two, six and
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: seventh round or last year draft one. This year, at
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: some point you need one of those guys you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: to come up seven.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: All right, last group we'll take a look at, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: this is the sexy position. This is the wide receiver
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: tight end group. To show you the weapons that you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that Doug likes to have six, seven, eight
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: nine guys that he can work with. And obviously we
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: know what Kirk and Agnew and Zay Jones did last year.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Evan Ingram had that huge year. Now you bringing a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: guy like Brenton Strange that we've talked about in Parker Washington,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: who is a slot guy with run after the catchability,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had made some tremendous catches in that Ohio State game
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when Penn State played them last year. You've got some
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: interesting guy. Tim Jones's a guy last year we watched
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: really come on strong in August and just didn't get
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: his opportunities because of Kirk and Zay and Evan.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: You got some guys you can work with there. Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Calvin Ridley now in that graphic either pretty good too.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: But what strikes you hear?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: For me? We have talked about Kirk.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: And Ridley and Zay Jones and Ingram a lot. We've
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: even talked about a strange coming and being a supplement.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It feels like.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Parker Washington, Tim Jones, somebody out of that group.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: They were really healthy in this spot last year.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Their receivers, none of them missed any significant time.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They were always and they always felt pretty full.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington is interesting.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: On that front because he's a run after catch guy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: He can do some things. I think my spidy sense
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: tells me, Brian, they're gonna need somebody in that group
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: to sort of step up and be a surprise guy
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: this year. So that's something to watch. Tim Jones, Parker Washington,
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: somewhere in that group. I don't know that you can
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: count on full health all the time out of that bunch.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for a look around the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: roster immediately following the draft. When we come back, we
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: jump into the Ozone mail Bag and give you a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: look at what John is answering this week in the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: column back after this on Drag's Drivetime.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: We just wanted to add good football players you never
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: go wrong, and and guys that love to play the game,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: that are smart, you know, competent guys that you know versatility.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: We use that word a lot, but a lot of
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the guys you can see as we add these pieces,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: they have versatility. And when you only have fifty three
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: guys on a roster, you need that. You know, this
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: isn't college where you turn around and you got fifty
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: seven guys that are sixty seventy guys to choose from. Well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: the other ones are out on the field or more.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: You've got fifty three and only forty eight on game days.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: So the more they can do, the better. But you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: we're excited for this group to get them in here
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and just get our hands on them and see exactly
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: what we got and let them show us what they
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: can do.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: This and Fritz OpenD time for the Ozone mail Bag
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: here on Jaggs Drive Time, Brian Sexton, John Ozer, let's
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: get right to it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Tony joins us from John's Creek, Georgia. And since I said,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Jaguars head coach Doug Peterson's master plan is to outscore
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: their opponents.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's uh, it's been fairly obvious even last year.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: That was a little bit of their thought.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Again, I think the good teams in the draft, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I think Trent drafts very very well along these lines
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: they do with the draft come to them, and to
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: a degree, you let the quality of player you get
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: a little bit dictate the direction of the franchise because
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: you want good players. So I don't think the Jaguars
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: went into this draft saying we are going to get
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: more dynamic on offense. But I think on their board
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: they left room for that possibility, if that makes sense
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: that I'm saying it. So, I think when it fell
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: to him, they had zero problems saying, you know what,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: we could go tight end or say second round, we
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: could go tight end or edge rusher here, Well, who
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: do we trust more to be a really good player? Well,
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: the tight end, well, then there's no problem with sort
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: of push and forward with that manpower. Same with the
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: running back you know a lot of teams philosophically may
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: not have done that. Hey we have a starter right back.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: We don't need that. Well Doug saying, hey, I can
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: use this guy.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: This is fine. We'll get a lot better here.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: And so I think the end result is, I do
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: think you have a team right now that looks like
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: it's going to try to get to thirty one every
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: week and assume that our defense is going to stop
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: you enough where you don't get to thirty one.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Well, Daniel Jeremiah last week at the draft told me
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he calls it the Patrick Mahomes effect. Right, you're not
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: going to shut down Patrick Mahomes, no one has.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: What you hope to do is break serve two or.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Three times in the second half, and your offense then
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: has to be ready to go and score because you've
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: got to score one more than they do. And when
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: he looked at the Jaguars roster, he said, tight end
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: is a big need for them because it's one more
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: thing that will open up Calvin Ridley, it'll open up
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Zay Jones, it'll open up Christian Kirk, his philosophic philosophies,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: philosophical bend for the Jaguars from his perspective was find
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: ways to score one more than Kansas City. All right,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: up next JT from Palm Coast. He says, the AFC South,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it's going to look extremely different with all new quarterbacks.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Funny how Lawrence is the elder statesman. This is going
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to be our division for the foreseeable future.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Well, JT is confident.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's uh And you know, on on paper,
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: the Jaguars would be the favorite, and they're deserved.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They fade, they won the division last year.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: They have the veteran quarterback and they have the most
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: dynamic you know in the AFC right now, it's it's
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: it's a conference of quarterbacks really except in the AFC
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: South outside Trevor Lawrence. So yes, on paper, they should
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: own the division. You have to go in, you know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: My My counter to that is always they needed a
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: fumble return for a touchdown to own it last year.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: So let's not anoint them champions for the next five
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: years until they do it for a couple of years.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So, but your on board with them being favored because
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I read and I heard they have for people saying
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that there's no reason why the Texans and the Colts
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and the wide open division. I don't see it as
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: wide open with the leaning on rookie quarterbacks in all
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: three other cities.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, if.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: I'm mister cautious and you have to win it on
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: the field, But if you're analyzing this division on paper,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: if you look at this Jaguars offense, adding Ridley and
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: adding to what was already very good, it's hard for
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: me to imagine a twenty four point offense last year.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: It's hard to imagine this not being a twenty six
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: or twenty seven point game offense. I don't know that
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: the other teams in the AFC South look right now
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: like they are going to be dynamic on that level.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: He's rebuilt their offensive line, and you don't know whether
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Tannehill's the guy or not. They certainly didn't want him
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: necessarily to be. At the end of last year. They
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: were looking to move on. I think the Colts have
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a very talented roster, although it massively underperformed on the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: offensive line last year.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the avitsive line is we'll see what it was
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: two or three years ago.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Look, and Houston's young. Houston is relying on a lot
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of young guys you always.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: It's never done until you win. But it's hard to
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: look at the division objectively and not say this team
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: is a favorite.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Finally, Jason from North Pole, Alaska, of our three offensive tackles,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, Walker Little and Anton Harrison, which do you
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: think is most likely to finish the year starting at
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: left guard?
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: When I answered this in print, Remember print, Bryan, you
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: said print newspapers.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I say, I remember the old days of Jaguars inside reports.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: When I answered this in the nether world of the web,
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I went with Harrison because he's the rookie, and I
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: can see a scenario cams out weeks and they say,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: you know what, Cam's a left tackle. He's been a
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: left tackle for six years. We're going to trust what
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: we've had. We're gonna trust Walker Little. But it's it's
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: really a moving part situation because I don't know a
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Walker Little left tackle. That's all he's really played in
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: the NFL, and that's supposed to where he's vest. It's
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: really all Cam's ever played in the NFL. And then
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: it's also Antoine, I mean Anton Harrison, it's what he
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: played in college. So you sort of have three guys
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: who were who If they're sitting in coach's office and
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: you ask those guys where are you most comfortable, they're
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: all gonna say left tackle. So there's no real logical
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: slotting to that. I went with Harrison. I could see
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: it being camp.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The more I think about it, the more I think
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it's camp because he's not in your long term plan.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, they haven't said that. By the way.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: That's we're all assuming looking at his cap number and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that they have drafted little in Harrison, it's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a logical assumption. I would think that would be camp.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But that's only because if it's me, I want the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: guy who's going to be my starter at left tackle
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and at right tackle in twenty twenty four playing there
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three.
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: That scenario, if we're sitting in the bar arguing about it,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: that scenario makes a lot of sense. If I countered with, well,
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: wouldn't you just stick with the veterans outside and move
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: the rookie inside for a year, you'd probably say, well,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: that makes sense too, So you know, I think it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: a coin flip. I can kind of see both sides
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: of it on that front.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll come back and wrap up JAG's drive
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: time on a Tuesday morning from TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Right up through this.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap things up here on a Tuesday
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: morning and a lot going on.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: You look at it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: The rookie Mini camps next week eleventh through the thirteenth,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: so the players will be here again rookie Mini camp
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: since Fowler junior towards ACL back in twenty fifteen. It's
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: not it's not mini camp as much as it is
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: bring him in, get him used to how the week roles.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Get him out on the field. Because they've been going
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: through John this draft evaluation process. They've not been football
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: players as much as athletes trying to hit numbers. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you want to get them loose, get him relaxed, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: get them to understand what it's like being a professional.
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: This is an easy thing for Doug because he played.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Teams have figured out that the gain of rookie Mini camp,
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: meaning hey, let's go out and hit, let's go out
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: and do pass rush drills worth doing that in May.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: What in the world is that going to benefit a
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: guy in August, especially when they're playing against you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: you get the number one draft pick playing against a
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: defensive end from you know who's trying to prove himself.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: There's there's this very high whatever risk there is, there's
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: no reward to it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Doug did a little more, as I recall, a little
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: more than what Maron did when he was here, I think,
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: but the less the better on that front.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: This week also coming next week also and we've heard
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: different dates, but it's looking like the schedule will be
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: released next week.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: We heard the twelfth at one point.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Now we're hearing the eleventh, but it is likely to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: pop next week, so we'll get a chance to see
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: how it all plays out. The twenty second is when
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: OTAs get going, so we'll see the veterans on the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: field deck then and then of course tomorrow night. Coming
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: back to this week, Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: know you love that show, and Happy Hours on Thursday
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: with JP and Jeff. We'll be here all right for
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: John Osier and Joe Fortunato and Brent Reeber and David
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Shoe and our entire broadcast crew.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us here.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: We'll be back next Tuesday with another edition of Jags
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Drive Time.