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The Late Debate | 30 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, welcome the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening, thanks for joining us on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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  Speaker 2: A journalist is embarrassed when he wrongly assumes the people
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  Speaker 2: he's interviewing are racist, just like him. Will show you
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  Speaker 2: that a little later. Plus when we look at the
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  Speaker 2: paper's agenda, row erupts in Paris as biological men compete
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  Speaker 2: in women's events, And what happens to regional Australia if
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  Speaker 2: Rex Airlines goes under All of.
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  Speaker 3: That coming up a little later.
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  Speaker 2: But first, we're all very well aware that there's a
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  Speaker 2: housing crisis. But in Victoria the housing crisis is being
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  Speaker 2: made even worse by their cultural Heritage process. Now that
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  Speaker 2: process demands that land slated for development first undergoes checks
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  Speaker 2: to see if there's any culturally significant sites or artifacts
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  Speaker 2: before any houses can be built. Well, according to The
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  Speaker 2: Herald's Son, that process is laying developments by eighteen months
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  Speaker 2: or more and pushing up housing prices. The developers have
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  Speaker 2: to pay holding costs on the land while it sits
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  Speaker 2: idle as indigenous groups inspect the property for artifacts, taking
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  Speaker 2: sometimes years to do so, and on top of that,
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  Speaker 2: indigenous groups are charging developers one thousand dollars a day
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  Speaker 2: just to meet with them, and fifteen hundred dollars a
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  Speaker 2: day for Indigenous people to oversee cultural heritage advisors also
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  Speaker 2: being paid by developers as they search the property for artifacts. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Urban Development Institute of Australia CEO Linda Allison, she told
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  Speaker 2: The Herald's son the holding costs of the delays can
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  Speaker 2: make projects completely unfeasible, and those costs just inevitably if
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  Speaker 2: the development does go ahead, get passed on to the
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  Speaker 2: home buyer and that just makes housing even less affordable.
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  Speaker 2: So what to do about this problem? Will the liberal
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  Speaker 2: opposition have made themselves useful for once, and they've come
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  Speaker 2: up with a pretty good suggestion. Why don't we put
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  Speaker 2: time limits on the indigenous groups to search for artifacts
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  Speaker 2: before development can take place? And why don't we put
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  Speaker 2: caps on the amount of money they can charge developers
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  Speaker 2: to give certainty and to keep costs down. Sounds pretty sensible,
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  Speaker 2: but Victorian Premier Jacina Allen has described those suggestions as
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  Speaker 2: quote racist and nasty, which just goes to prove that
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  Speaker 2: when you vote for clowns, you end up getting an
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  Speaker 2: entire circus Calebrin Liz. The Victorian government are claiming to
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  Speaker 2: fight the housing crisis while exacerbating the housing crisis with
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  Speaker 2: a racist policy that if you dare point it out,
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  Speaker 2: gets you labeled racist.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is beyond laughable, especially because it has
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  Speaker 4: such real world effects. In the middle of housing crisis,
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  Speaker 4: which is nationwide but also notably in Victoria, this government
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  Speaker 4: has committed to building two point two four million houses
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  Speaker 4: by twenty fifty one. That's roughly eighty thousand a year
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  Speaker 4: till twenty fifty one.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, the rate at which they're.
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  Speaker 4: Building houses currently has dropped to an all time low
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  Speaker 4: in thirty years. This is a thirty a three decade low,
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  Speaker 4: and projects are being held up by this in a
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  Speaker 4: state that has one percent Aboriginal people.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, who are you.
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  Speaker 4: Actually helping out here by tying the hands of developers
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  Speaker 4: who are building these dwellings that we all desperately need
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  Speaker 4: in every single state. Don't call your set you're You're
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  Speaker 4: not a serious government. You are not a serious government,
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  Speaker 4: You're not a serious leader. The premiere set on Tuesday. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is these cultural heritage laws are only affecting one
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  Speaker 4: percent of development, really one percent, I don't think. So
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  Speaker 4: they have to do the same as WA did, and
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  Speaker 4: WA ditch their cultural heritage laws just after just over
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  Speaker 4: one month of it coming into effect because it was
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  Speaker 4: simply too hard. They realized the error of their ways.
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  Speaker 4: They ate humble Pie and they just said, look, we've
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  Speaker 4: repealed it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can build you two million houses within that timeframe.
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  Speaker 1: They'll just be made of lego. You won't actually be
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  Speaker 1: able to live in them. But you never know. These days,
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  Speaker 1: they'll probably do something like that and say, look we
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  Speaker 1: did it, here's your two million houses. But I love
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  Speaker 1: the fact that, of course she attacks the opposition's idea that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for a modest stuff, put a cap on
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  Speaker 1: the costs. We'll put a time frame on when all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff has to be done, and that there should
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  Speaker 1: be audits of the approvals that they then give, so
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  Speaker 1: that at least there's some oversight over the system that's
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  Speaker 1: somehow nasty racial division. At the same time, the Allen
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  Speaker 1: government is reviewing these cultural heritage secretly because it knows
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  Speaker 1: that there's something wrong with them. But it didn't want
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  Speaker 1: you to know that they were reviewing the cultural hero
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  Speaker 1: digital because because she's worried about how that might look. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're admitting that there's a problem here. We
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  Speaker 1: couldn't possibly have anyone see that because it might be racist.
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  Speaker 1: I just love that, one by one, all of these
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  Speaker 1: little things are starting to fall apart in some way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like the Voice was the
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  Speaker 1: vanguard for all of this. Once the Voice fell over,
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  Speaker 1: it was sort of like open season for people to
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  Speaker 1: actually start openly admitting that there was something wrong with
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous affairs in this country because all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: we felt emboldened or we I mean, we've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about it for a long time, but people who otherwise
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  Speaker 1: had previously felt uncomfortable voicing their opinion because they were
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  Speaker 1: worried that they'd be called racist for doing so, have
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  Speaker 1: started coming out and saying, yeah, actually we have a
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  Speaker 1: few problems here. So little by little, whether it's the
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  Speaker 1: laws in WA, whether it's this, whether it's concerns around spending,
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  Speaker 1: people are starting to speak up a little bit. But
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she didn't want to tell us that
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  Speaker 1: this investigation was going on, I think says it all.
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  Speaker 1: Even she, in her heart of hearts, just inter Allen
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  Speaker 1: knows there's something wrong here, but you can't admit it.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, the first part of fixing a problem
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  Speaker 1: is admitting that there is a problem in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty basic stuff. But they can't even do that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the problem that these left progressive governments have.
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  Speaker 2: They back themselves into a corner where they declare all
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  Speaker 2: of these things grand moral issues. They demonize anybody who
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  Speaker 2: disagrees with them, and then when they find their ideological
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  Speaker 2: policies aren't working, how do they ever go back on
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  Speaker 2: them Because they've just said anyone who questions it is
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  Speaker 2: a racist, so they can't possibly backflip. They just have
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  Speaker 2: to try and massage things as best they can. The
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  Speaker 2: only way you get rid of these policies is you
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  Speaker 2: vote them out and you get a government that is
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  Speaker 2: going to govern according to practicalities rather than a preconceived
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  Speaker 2: and immovable ideology.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't hold we are talking about Victoria. I've
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  Speaker 5: got to say, though, we're not.
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  Speaker 1: And I read these numbers, one thousand dollars a day
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  Speaker 1: just just to have a meeting. We're not even talking
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  Speaker 1: about the dig here. It's just all about meeting with
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  Speaker 1: the developers. I keep reading this stuff and going, my god.
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  Speaker 1: I always said I'd never do one of those ancestry
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  Speaker 1: dot Com tests because I didn't want to hand my
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  Speaker 1: DNA over to some private black rock. But I really
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  Speaker 1: feel like I should go and take one and see
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  Speaker 1: if I've got some aboriginal blood in me, because, for
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  Speaker 1: Heaven's sake, if I could get one thousand dollars a
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  Speaker 1: day to do some of this work, I'm sure I
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  Speaker 1: could do it in conjunction with the work that I
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  Speaker 1: do here on sky News as well, just sort of
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  Speaker 1: keep me busy during the day, I'd be rolling in it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same with all the money that they
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  Speaker 1: give them to do welcomes to country. I mean, some
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  Speaker 1: people are charging like ten thousand dollars a pop to
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  Speaker 1: do those welcomes to country on the basis of their
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  Speaker 1: race alone. And that's that's the real problem with it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone in the country who wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: want to preserve actual cultural artifacts if they can be
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  Speaker 1: found anywhere, because of course they are historical pieces that
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  Speaker 1: ought to be preserved. But when you hold all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff up and put that above everything else, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for heaven's sake, what are we going to get to
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  Speaker 1: the point where mum and dad want to subdivide their property.
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  Speaker 1: And before you do that, someone's got to come in
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  Speaker 1: and dig the whole joint up before you can even
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  Speaker 1: do that. If you decide you want to put a
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  Speaker 1: new driveway in your house, they'll start saying, well, we've
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  Speaker 1: got to do a dig underneath the concrete that was
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  Speaker 1: already there by the way, but you're replacing it, so
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  Speaker 1: we've got to look under that as well. But where
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  Speaker 1: does this stuff end?
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  Speaker 2: Well, And this is the problem with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, particularly with relation to indigenous affairs, is that
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  Speaker 2: little industries grow up around some of these exact virtue
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  Speaker 2: signaling efforts, whether it's cultural heritage issues where you go
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  Speaker 2: and you meet with a developer and your charge a fee,
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  Speaker 2: and then you've got some archaeologists, but we better have
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  Speaker 2: an indigenous person overseeing the archaeologists charge a fee.
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  Speaker 3: You'd like to welcome to country will charge a fee.
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  Speaker 2: And so to try and undo some of these things, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know now you're trying to undo entire little industries
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  Speaker 2: that have grown around it. People are not letting go
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  Speaker 2: of those things easily.
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  Speaker 5: And neither should they.
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  Speaker 4: I mean this affects homeowners, that affects farmers, that affects
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  Speaker 4: miners big time. Not so much a big deal in Victoria,
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  Speaker 4: but it certainly was in Wa. And so the extrapolation
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  Speaker 4: of a policy that says indigenous affairs and cultural heritage
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  Speaker 4: are more important than major infrastructure projects, we've seen several
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  Speaker 4: of them topple over this throughout the nation, as well
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  Speaker 4: as just putting roofs over people's houses. To genuinely ask
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  Speaker 4: people in the middle of a housing crisis to believe
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  Speaker 4: that cultural heritage and finding a significant rock in your
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  Speaker 4: backyard is more important than building homes for the future,
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  Speaker 4: and not even on the for the future, where on
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  Speaker 4: the back foot right now, we're desperately behind need to
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  Speaker 4: build these things. Nobody's buying that, No practical person is
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  Speaker 4: buying that. And that's what you need in a leader
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  Speaker 4: to say, of course we respect cultural heritage. Of course
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  Speaker 4: that is one of the values that we uphold, But
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  Speaker 4: more so we uphold keeping a roof over people's heads.
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  Speaker 4: And with a growing population like ours, this has to
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  Speaker 4: be the number one priority. That's really not that hard
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  Speaker 4: to do. But what do you see in this premiere,
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  Speaker 4: Like she's she's got a BA in something that, by
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  Speaker 4: the way, I could not find what her being. I
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  Speaker 4: challenge anyone out there to tell me what Jacinta Alan's
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  Speaker 4: BA is. Okay, because everything we know, Bachelor of Arts
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  Speaker 4: are useless.
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  Speaker 5: I can say that because I have too, but I
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  Speaker 5: can't find.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot find anywhere on the great world Wide Web
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  Speaker 4: what her BA is in, which is a little bit troubling,
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  Speaker 4: but would also indicate she'd rather people didn't know the
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  Speaker 4: person running your state as a Bachelor of us. How
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  Speaker 4: much real world experience does someone have when they're genuinely
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  Speaker 4: saying I'm more scared of being called a racist or
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  Speaker 4: a bigot than I am about the housing crisis in
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  Speaker 4: my state.
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  Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, before we move on with the other topics
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  Speaker 2: we want to talk about tonight, we've just received breaking
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  Speaker 2: news that Rex Airlines have entered voluntary administrations.
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  Speaker 3: That news has just come to hand.
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  Speaker 2: A bit later in the show will explain more about
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  Speaker 2: what that means and how that will affect people who
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  Speaker 2: are planning to fly on REX. But they've just entered
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  Speaker 2: voluntary administration. That news just breaking. Well, we've been talking
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  Speaker 2: about the insanity of Victoria, but there's another place you
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  Speaker 2: can go if you want to see some insanity and
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  Speaker 2: sorry shames.
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  Speaker 1: Just before we move on, this is big news. REX
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  Speaker 1: going into voluntary administration and the fact that we still
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  Speaker 1: have in this country basically a duopoly of airlines right
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  Speaker 1: so you've got Virgin and Quantus. Now REX it's important
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  Speaker 1: to the regions is humongous because, as Paul was talking
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  Speaker 1: about on his program before, without REX, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: to get in or out of a lot of parts
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  Speaker 1: of the country except with a car, and we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about driving for hours and hours and hours to get anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: So the essential service they provide in that way is
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  Speaker 1: very important. But also the work that they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to do to get into the broader domestic market, as
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  Speaker 1: in they started out you know, Sydney to Melbourne and
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  Speaker 1: vice versa, and then with Adelaide to Melbourne, they've expanded
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  Speaker 1: from Adelaide to Perth recently. It was such an important
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  Speaker 1: thing to try and break up the market, and I
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  Speaker 1: suspect that what is happening here is that that attempt
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  Speaker 1: to break into that broader domestic market has failed, and
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  Speaker 1: that's really worrying for what it means for consumers. In
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  Speaker 1: terms of the prices they have to pay for an
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  Speaker 1: airfare because Rex had very competitive prices in terms of
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  Speaker 1: flying with them, their service was excellent and iPhone with
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  Speaker 1: them many times domestically generally, their prices are much better
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  Speaker 1: than anyone else. Their service is really good, the staff
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  Speaker 1: are really good. By the way, they don't give an
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  Speaker 1: acknowledgment of country on their flight, which which was encouragement
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  Speaker 1: enough for me to use them. And even with such
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  Speaker 1: a great product, they've fallen over. Essentially, what that means
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  Speaker 1: for us as a country in consumers is really concerning
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  Speaker 1: because if you can't break into that market, and others
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  Speaker 1: have tried, Bonds have tried to do it. If you
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  Speaker 1: can't break into that market, where are we going to
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  Speaker 1: end up? I mean, this is just a green flag
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  Speaker 1: to Quantus and Virgin essentially to say you have total
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  Speaker 1: control of the market, much like the supermarkets, and you
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  Speaker 1: can charge whatever you want. If the government doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: involved here in some way, mostly from the regional perspective,
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  Speaker 1: because they just can't do without these flights, we are
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  Speaker 1: going to be in a world of pain. I just
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  Speaker 1: can't see how the couldn't get involved.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a good argument for the government to be
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  Speaker 2: involved because these regional centers provide so much of the
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  Speaker 2: wealth of this country, provides so much of the tax
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  Speaker 2: revenue that the least the government can do is make
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  Speaker 2: sure that they're able to give from place to place.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Bant put out a tweeked earlier today saying the
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  Speaker 2: government should just wholesale buy Rex Airlines.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure many people would go for it.
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  Speaker 4: A bailout or a bailout subsidized. Did it for quantas
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  Speaker 4: during the pandemic. People aren't opposed to a bailout for
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  Speaker 4: once we can agree on a good.
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  Speaker 5: Expenditure of taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Our government seems to love to spurge half the.
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  Speaker 5: Things they spend our money on.
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  Speaker 4: We're like Kenya not This is something that, as you've
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  Speaker 4: just said, Caleb, is very important to people. We don't
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  Speaker 4: want to see this duopoly constantly having the monopoly on
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  Speaker 4: anyone who wants.
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  Speaker 5: To board a flight in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: And we cannot say enough with regards to Rex's importance
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to the regions. So if the government
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  Speaker 4: is just going to allow Rex to roll.
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  Speaker 5: Over here and die, how are we going?
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  Speaker 4: How on earth are they going to ensure that some
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  Speaker 4: sort of service is still available to the regions. If
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  Speaker 4: they can't, then they simply can't allow this to happen.
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  Speaker 5: They can't allow REX to just well.
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  Speaker 1: And that would be the thing, right if the government
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  Speaker 1: doesn't intervene here and provide some sort of bailout, then
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  Speaker 1: the government will have to create a service. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they simply can't leave people high and dry. And that
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  Speaker 1: might be a mixture of state governments chucking in money
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  Speaker 1: along with the federal government, but they can't leave people
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  Speaker 1: high and dry if you can't fly out of a
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  Speaker 1: place like Port Lincoln in South Australia or you know
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  Speaker 1: the multiple other places that rec services. I know that
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  Speaker 1: Quantus through Quantuslink, does a lot of its own regional
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  Speaker 1: services now, but again we're talking about one of the
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  Speaker 1: big duopoly companies, and so they will take this as
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  Speaker 1: a green flag to jack up their prices in terms
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  Speaker 1: of their regional services. But for places that are serviced
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  Speaker 1: only by res if they were to lose those flights,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they would be incandescent with rage and I
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  Speaker 1: think ultimately it would cost us the taxpayer more because
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  Speaker 1: if they don't put something else in there, be it
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  Speaker 1: a government run airline or otherwise they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: left high and dry.
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  Speaker 4: You just to be clear, are we agreeing with Adam
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  Speaker 4: Ban right now?
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  Speaker 3: Well that we are to some degree.
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  Speaker 4: It would be cheaper to simply buy them out or
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  Speaker 4: bail them out, then to watch them die and then.
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  Speaker 5: Just go Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now we've got to come up with something that is
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  Speaker 4: either state or federally funded to service the regions. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: all the infrastructure is there, the planes are there, the
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  Speaker 4: things up and running. It just needs an injection of funds.
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  Speaker 2: The other news that's just coming through is that apparently
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  Speaker 2: res have canceled flights between major airports and they are
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  Speaker 2: currently in the process of contacting passengers who've got flights ticketed.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll have more about that when we look at
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  Speaker 2: the newspapers later in the program. Obviously that's a developing story.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the madness of Victoria. The other place
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  Speaker 2: you can go to see madness is the view on
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  Speaker 2: American television where Whoopy.
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  Speaker 3: Goldberg holds court. The funny thing about Woopy Goldberg is
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: that if.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump so much it looks at so much as
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: looks sideways, she is all upset and outraged about it.
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  Speaker 2: But when Christians are mocked, slandered and ridiculed at the
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  Speaker 2: opening ceremony of the Olympic Games, well, she says, ah,
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  Speaker 2: it's no biggie, just change the channel.
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  Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 5: Come on, y'all, it's the Olympics. Stop. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 5: to do anything except talk about the history, and they're
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: showing you the history. There are more too.
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  Speaker 6: Many people in the picture for it to be the
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  Speaker 6: twelve Disciples and then the seven or eight other people
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  Speaker 6: who are in the picture.
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  Speaker 5: The more people.
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  Speaker 4: When you're not happy with something and it bothers, you
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: don't take twenty hours to write an email.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: You're in the TV.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Off, watch something else.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just change the channel and watch, you know, the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: other Olympics. You can't do that, of course, because there's
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: only one Olympic Games and it's for the entire world.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: But Caleb, do you reckon the view would react like
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that if it was Islam that had been mocked at
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the Olympics. Do you think they'd be Oh, look, if
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you don't want to watch Islam being mocked, just change
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the channel.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: It would have been an entirely different tune. For sure.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that the lefties have finally woken up
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to the idea that if you don't like what someone
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: else is saying, perhaps you should just ignore it and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: not be offended by it. I mean, are they Are
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they now going to make this their doctrine that they
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like all you people who watch Guy and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: use and write in and every night, there's certain people
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: who write to me, like nearly every night and just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: complain about what we're talking about. I'm like, why don't
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you just change the channel? Why do you sit there
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: hating what you're watching every single night and getting so
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: offended by it and then going off complaining on social
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: media and writing in complaints to actbur and all this
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. If you don't like it, switch it off.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: If they're going to do that in general, then I'm
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: all on board. Well, welcome to the free speech world.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I love it. I'm glad you finally worked it out.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: But of course we're not just talking here about you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I'll switch it off because I don't particularly like what
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I'm watching. Like, we're talking about a program that is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: going to be watched by children. We know he's going
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to be watched by children. We drag Queen's parading around.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: We're talking about a program, or I call it a program,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: but the opening ceremony, and that, as you pointed out,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: went after only one religion, not others. I mean, the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you know, just switch it off. It's the bloody Olympics,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: for heaven's sake. I mean she was talking about it
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: as though it's the Olympics. It's the Olympics. What's the problem.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That is the problem, that it is the Olympics.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Ceramon do with anything.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Let's keep in mind it wasn't just the Last Supper.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: At one point they had a ginormous golden calf on stage,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: straight out of the Book of Exodus. Then they had
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: a beast or some weird mysterious cloaked figure writing what
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: looked for all the world like either a pale horse
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: or a white horse straight out of the Book of
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Revelation right there, one of the horse riders of the Apocalypse.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, these people were celebrating, dancing around a golden cuff.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: That imagery, that symbolism is powerful, and it wasn't lost
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: on anyone who is marginally familiar, much less.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Belongs to the Christian faith.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: And for someone like Whoopi Goldberg, who is herself a
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: member of the LGBTQ community.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: So it's no wonder that she's like, I didn't see
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: a problem with it. What's the matter with this?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Whereas for Christians, we know that all of this is
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: actually spelled out in our Bibles. It is spelled out
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: in our Bibles. The Bible says, as it was in
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: the day of Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall it be.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: The Bible says, in the last days, mockers will come
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: with their mockery, saying where is your Christ?
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Where is your God? Now?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Jesus himself said, hey, they hated me first, so if
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: the world hates you, don't worry. I'm the og and
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: they hate me because I called them out on their
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: evil deeds. Like all of this is foretold, and any
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Christians watching this just goes, well, hello, mockers, thanks for
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: fulfilling more prophecy.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Where there you are? Okay, yep, go on.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Christians weren't imagining it, because, like you said, if it
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: was just one thing, you might say, maybe a coincidence,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: But there were numerous Bible references.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Where ridicule was involved.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It was no very obviously, no mistake. It was no misunderstanding.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: On the view, a couple of the other panelts went
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on to say, you know, we should just focus on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the Olympians rather than what happened in the opening ceremony.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: But that's our complaint, isn't it. We wish the Olympics
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: would focus Olympians. That would have been nice, anthy the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: other thing they said. And I can't believe this. One
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of the co hosts on the view said, look all
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: these Christians complaining we're tired of being bitten over the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: head with religious messages. We were beaten over the head
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: with a religious message by the Olympic opening ceremony. Then
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: when we can plain about it, we're the ones who
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: were the Bible bashes.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I know, isn't ridiculous, but look at least one person's
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: talking sense about all of this. Donald Trump had his
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: say on Fox News.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Have you watched any of the Olympics.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: I thought that the opening ceremony was a disgrace. Actually
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: I thought it was a disgrace.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: The marking of the Last Supper.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: I thought it was Catholics and Christians across the last
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: the glover outraged.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, they can do certain things. I thought it
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: was terrible.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Can you say at the next Olympics of your present
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: there won't be You'll have enough influence on the organizers
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: that we won't be, you know, insulting Christians.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: We won't be.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Having a Last Supper as portrayed the way they put
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: at the other night. I just think, look, come for everybody.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: I'm very open minded. You do understand you know me
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: better than most people know me. I'm very open minded.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: But I thought what they did was a di squares.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And so say all of us, I can't wait to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: see what the Olympic opening ceremony might look like in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: La if Donald Trump is president at the time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: But we're all all very nervous about the closing ceremony.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, well there is that to come to me.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Given the Olympics have taken down the footage of their
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: own opening ceremion, I'm sure someone's in a back room
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: somewhere desperately amending making a few changes to the closing ceremony.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Now version of that before we continue on with the Olympics.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: By the way, Virgin Australia has just said that if
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you have a REX flight that has been canceled within
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the next twenty sorry, forty eight hours, get in contact
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with them and they will rebook you on a Virgin
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: flight free of charge. If you have a flight that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: being canceled beyond forty eight hours, still get in contact,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but of course it won't be the top priority. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: repeating that, Virgin Australia has offered to rebook you on
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a Virgin flight free of charge. Continuing on with the Olympics,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: there are two boxers who were banned last year from
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: participating in the World Championships. They are Iman Califf of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Algeria and lynn U Ting of Taiwan, which, of course
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: at the Olympics they call Chinese Taipei because you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we can have Palestine which isn't a globally recognized state,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but we can't call Taiwan by its real name because
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that might upset the Chinese. Well, these two particular boxers,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: before they were to participate in the World Championship, were
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: undertaking gender testing, which is part of the rules for
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that competition, and they were found, according to the president,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to have been the president of the what's it called,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the International Boxing Association, not the President of the United States.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: They were found to have x y chromosomes ie they
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: were men. They also had very high testosterone levels, so
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they were barred from competing at the World Championship, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the IOC has given them the all clear to compete
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: at the Olympics. Now, listen to one person who actually
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: competed against one of these people, a califf. This opponent
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: said when I fought with her, still calls this individual
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: her I felt very out of my depth. Her blows
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to me hurt a lot. I don't think I'd ever
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: felt like that in my thirteen years as a boxer,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: nor in my sparring with men. Thank God, that day
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I got out of the ring safely, and it's good
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that they finally realized, except of course, that the IOC
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have realized this.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a strange case where these two
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: people have, as far as we can tell, always presented
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: as women, so there's no particular record of them having
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: been men previously. But when the World Boxing Association has
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: done the testing on them, they've come back and said, well,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: your testosterone levels are those of a man. Now, scientific
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: testing has proven before that even if you are transgender,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: someone who has gone through male puberty has punching power
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and sixty three percent higher than that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: of someone who hasn't gone through male puberty. The fact
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that a test was taken by another organization, but that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and just a year ago the test was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: taken proved the high testosterone levels that the IOC would
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: now say, no problems, you can come and compete here
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in the women's division is insane.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And of all the sports, no boss exception where you
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: know women are going to be beaten within an inch
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: of their lives. Just like the opponent's testimony that you
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: just read, I was lucky to escape with my life,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: she said.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: It is unthinkable.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: We've seen this happen in swimming, in different ball games, the.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Team sports, but boxing.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Really and on the Olympic stage. It does wonder if
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: after well, very much trumpeting and championing and celebrating, trans
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: writes in their opening ceremony, now they feel beholden to like, well,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: we've got to practice what we preach at the cost
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: of women, women being beaten to a pulp.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Is that really what it's.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Going to take, Olympics Committee, for the world to watch
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: these women bruised and bleeding, barely make it out of
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the ring alive. This should spark a complete outrage in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: nations across the world because they will be watching these
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: matches and the inequality males have, well, people with greater testosterone,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: if they have gone through mal puberty, they have greater
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: muscle mass, they have greater bone density, they have greater
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: capacity in their cardiac like there is just absolutely no comparison,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: and these women going to get absolutely smashed.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You make a really good point, and that is, once
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you're committed to this ideology, there's no room for gray
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and there's no room for you know, being cute with it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So at the opening ceremony they had multiple drag queens.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: They had women with beards who clearly were biological men.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Once you go down that road, there's no room to say, well,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you know, a man can be a woman except in
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the sport of boxing. So you can be a man
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: who's swimming against women but not fighting against you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: You either commit to this ideology or you don't. A
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: transman is a trans woman, is a woman, or he's not.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And so your point is well made. How could they
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: allow this in boxing? But if you're going to allow
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: this at all, you've got to allow it everywhere. The
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: great irony, of course, is while they continue to ignore
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: X Y chromosomes, they do antidoping because God.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Forbid that you have a little bit of extra something
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: or other.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: To want someone to have an advantage.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Can not be a different gender. And that's fine.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: They've been pretty ropey on some of the antidoping testing
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you know, you've only got to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: look into WADA and the way that it's treated China
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: in some of its regimes to know that there is
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a problem there. But you know, when you've got so
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: many world sporting bodies and Feena, the World Swimming Body
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: was one of the first to come out and say
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that we won't allow transgender women to compete in the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: women's category, and I think there's been a similar edict
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: from the World Soccer Organization as well. But you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this is not a fringe idea that you don't let
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: transgender women compete in women's sport. How the IOC cannot
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: see that just as a matter of fairness, right, And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: when you think of the Olympics, the first thing you
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: think of is a fair fight. I mean literally a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: fight when it comes to boxing. But if you don't
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: have fairness in sport, where can you have fairness?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: The moment they decided that if a man feels like
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a woman, he is a woman, fairness goes out the window.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Where's fairness is completely irre relevant. It's all ideological and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that's the end of it, no matter who bears the consequence.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And it's not just boxing.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: We've got a story coming up in the papers regarding
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: two zambient football players who have also been given the
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: green light to compete despite the fact that well they're
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: not women, are they? But they will be competing in
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: the women's team. How would you like going up against
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: that unfair advantage? I think so very much. But speaking
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: of women, we've now got a group called White Women
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: for Kamala Harris and they have had a ginormous get
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: together online with thousands on a similar zoom call led
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: by a former teacher now turned in influencer on TikTok
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and Instagram. Here she is heading up the meeting telling
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the thousands of white women who've tuned in how they're
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: going to.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Go about this.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Thank you, hi, everybody. I am so honored to speak today.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I am like shaking to just be among such incredible company.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: We are here because as if you were here earlier,
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: you've heard BIPOC women have tapped us in as white
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: women to step up, listen and get involved the selection season.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: As white women, we need to use our privilege to
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: make positive changes. If you find yourself talking over or
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: speaking for BIPOC individuals, or god forbid, correcting them, just
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: take a beat and instead we can put our listening
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: ears on. So do learn from and amplify the voices
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: of those who have been historically marginalized, and use the
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: privilege you have in order to push for systemic change.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: The uninitiated BIPOC means Black, Indigenous and people of color,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: so we must listen to them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Nobody talk over the top of them.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: And whatever they say is gospel truth. That's how we're
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: running this campaign. But of course the men couldn't be outdone.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Now we've got a white men for Kamala Harris. They
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: too went hard.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Check out this.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: I'm white, I'm a dude, and I'm for Harris.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Over the last few years, you know, I've been thinking
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: a lot about men.
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure if you guys can recall that feeling
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: you had on the night of Tuesday, November eight, twenty sixty,
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: I stood over my kid's bed.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And I wept White nationalist in Maga.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: They want to speak for you, you specifically as white men.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: In the marginalized communities that educate me every single day
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that this is a constant education for all of us.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: The world's problems can be summed up in three simple words,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, lack of testoster.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: It was a cool question. Why was there a black
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: guard talking at the white men.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I was just about to say, I love it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: He would have tuned in and none of them would
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: have had.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: The gods to be like, oh, this is white.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Men for Kamala Harris, and you're clearly not white, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: therefore no one would have.
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: No one would have dar consegregation, No black men allowed
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: on this SI, no one would maybe he identifies as white,
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: and if he identifies as white, who are we.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: To tell you he's not, But to borrow a term
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: from the sort of people that would go along to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: like white dudes for Harris or white chicks for Harris.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I was triggered watching those videos, Like the cringe that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: was just flowing through me was like, this is so bad.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: But isn't it so funny that they're sitting there talking
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: about how we've got to sort of endle this racial division.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And it's literally like white women for Harris, white dudes
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: for Harris. No one else was bringing the race into it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They have brought the race into it. But we're the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: anti racist ones because we're pointing out that we're white
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and we're having meetings exclusively for white people. I mean,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake, we're rewinding about seventy years in America,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: aren't we. But if you thought that was bad enough
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: In terms of the campaigning for Kamala Harris, take a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: look at this. This is a real ad from the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris campaign. I can't believe it is real, but
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: this is a real ad.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: She didn't get Bill's past in Congress that I'll protect.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Me and you wait, Latina Asia not LGBTQ.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: She can get this country back to where we can stand.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Men to see from home without Well.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Men dressed as women
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: are telling us that Kamala Harris will make a good
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: president because she's a woman. They couldn't get a woman
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: in to tell us that. And by the way, this
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: is another real ad with white mean in it, just
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: after they've been saying how great Kamala is. Now she's
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: crapping all over them, U smag a Republican's band abortion.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But that's just the Start's just the start.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: If Trump gets elected, we want the government involved in
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: all aspects of your sex.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Life, way more involved, way more involved.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: When you have sexual intercourse, it should be illegal to
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: use contraception, no pills, no condom.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Your genitalists are reserved for pro creation.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: If you freeze twelve eggs, you should be required to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: have twelve babies or else you're a serial killer. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not a serial killer, are you? I mean,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: how is that not satire? How is it a real ad?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Surely that's like from the Babylon b or something that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: cannot be real.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Awhy?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Why would you vote for Kamala Harris when they're putting
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: out that kind of rubbish.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break. When we come back.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: What's making news in the papers, including, of course that
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: breaking news that Rex Airline has been placed into voluntary administration.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: More on that after the break.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at what tomorrow's newspapers
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: will be talking about and Liz. Of course, the big
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: story will be what's happening with Rex Airlines.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: The Australia are covering that tomorrow, of course they.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Are, although it's already out of date given tonight's announcement,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: but their original headline reads Regional towns fear loss of Rex.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: The most I guess still applicable.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Part of this.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Column here says the airline flies dozens of routes across
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: the continent that are not serviced by other carriers, piggybacking
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: freight onto passenger flights and delivering an essential service to
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: towns scattered throughout out back Australia. Of course, as we've discussed,
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: this is already the concern.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: That is something that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: They do exclusively, so without them where to from here?
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: This article notes that they came to the.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Brink of collapse and what would now appear just collapse.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: After Rex's costly expansion into major city routes, you would
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: have thought that they would have just dropped those routes
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: instead of expanding. They've already got the regionals, that's all
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: up and running.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: They're going quite okay.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: But it was once they expanded into those major city
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: routes that it's been like lights out, we actually can't
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: hack this. Now we know that Virgin is now covering
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: off on those routes free of charge, saying hey, we're
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: going to pick up the slack here, and those regional
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: services are still continuing for now. But what the future
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: holds only the government can really decide at this point.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, once you start taking on the major city routes,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: you're competing against Quantus and Virgin that have huge balance sheets.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Rex just did not have of that, and so they
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: were just leaking millions of dollars trying to compete there.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And of course the tragedy with that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Is in trying to expand now it jeopardizes services to
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: regional centers. And of course the problems that we're hearing
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: about tonight have been forecast. REX staff and crew were
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: being locked out of their hotel rooms in the last
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: couple of days because the company hadn't paid hotel accommodation bills,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: and then when they tried to use the company's Uber account,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: they found.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: That hadn't been paid and they couldn't do that either.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So there were warning signs in the past twenty four
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: hours that this was all going to come to a head,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: and tonight it has.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And I really feel sorry for those staff because they
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: are genuinely some of the best in the business. They
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: actually take they've got a great fite seriously and provide
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a great service. But see, we talk now about the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: fact that the government has to step in and fix
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: all of this, but part of the reason we've ended
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: up in this position in the first place is because
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of government in action. When REX decided that they were
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: going to take on the law arger domestic market, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that started, as I said earlier, with Melbourne to Sydney
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and vice versa. Then they expanded Adelaide to Melbourne. They
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: recently expanded into Perth as well. And a lot of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: this was the brainchild of the chairman of REX, John Sharp,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: who I have to say is a good guy and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: cares deeply about the airline and what it tries to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: do and it's ethos. But the federal government, despite the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: recommendations of a former chairman of the Productivity Commission, would
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: not give REX sort of peak time slots, particularly at
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Sydney Airport, which means they can only fly at certain
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: times of the day, and that has generally been somewhere
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: around ten o'clock in the morning, at about four o'clock
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon, or later in the evening. I think
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: about actually about eight o'clock in the evening. So Rex
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: was never really given a fair chance to muscle into
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the market because the federal government wouldn't open up the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: slots to allow them to actually anticipate in the market.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So we say, sure, we want you to come in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: because it's good for competition, it's good for business to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: have another player trying to take on Virgin and Quantus.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: But if you don't give them a fair running and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: say well, you can have a slot at Sydney Airport
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: at midday or at five pm, all the times that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: people particularly want to fly, you're trying to corral them
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: into slots where they simply don't want to fly. I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: think Rex gave it a good go, but in some
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: ways the system was gained against them, which is a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: real shame because we know how much control the federal
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: government has over the planes that fly in and out
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of domestic airports and also internationally. I mean, don't forget
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: when Virgin wanted to do a deal with a guitar
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that they wanted to have some extra flights to come
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: into Australia internationally, and of course Quantus kicked up a
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: stink about that, and then the federal government wouldn't give
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: them the permission to bring extra flights in. So the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: government is intrinsically linked to how the air industry operates here.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And then you had the handbringing of Albanesi in code
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: today saying oh, you know, we already provide lots of
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: support unconditionally to Rex. Well, you could have done something
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: serious for them and allowed them to fly at times
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: when people wanted to fly and for the consumer who
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: is looking for a good service, which I would argue
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: they've lost, particularly from Quantus. Certainly post COVID, you just
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: don't get the sort of service out of Quantus that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you used to. And if they're looking for an affordable flight,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: which was definitely a market that Rex was going for,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you take all of that away and what are you
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: supposed to do. I mean, a flight from Sydney to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Melbourne these days at some point can be upwards of
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars and how can it cost four hundred
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: dollars to fly from Sydney to Melbourne and vice versa.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Someone else tries to come into the market, but they
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: can't do it when people want to fly, well, of
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: course they're going to collapse.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: And Transport Workers union boss Michael Caine has pointed the
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: finger fairly and squarely at Quoni. Direct quote from him,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: he's accused quantus of quote coming down like a ton
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: of bricks on the mainline routes to squeeze Rex out
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: end quote, So he's obviously cognizant of what's happened. Most
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: people would just be like, oh, REX has gone into administration,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: just like BONDSA did in April. The airline industry seems
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: to be on the down, but it's really not. The
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: government has played favorites, it would seem, and that is
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: why we are seeing these smaller guys who are trying
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: to get a leg up get absolutely nowhere. And another
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: issue Michael Caine raises is the two thousand workers who
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: are now going to be looking for other jobs but
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: won't be able to be absorbed by other airlines.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: If indeed REX does end up going down.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: You've got the two victims here, right, You've got the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: traveling public who and it's incredibly annoying and upsetting when
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you spent hundreds of dollars on flights that now you're
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: not sure what you will do, although, as you said,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: if people contact Virgin, Virgin are going to help out.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: But then you've got two thousand people, many of them
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: with mortgages, with rakes about to go up again, power
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: bills a sky high, who are now thinking what am
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I going to do for work?
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: And it does seem that Rex was rather disingenuous when
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: it came to dealing with their own staff, telling them, oh,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: it's just business as usual, you know, there's if anything
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: kind of made it out to be misinformation, like any
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: anything that you're hearing about this, you know, just keep
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: going on with your work as if nothing's happening.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: And now these guys find out along.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: With the rest of us, that actually this is very serious.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And it looks like Dabrams.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: You can't dare let slip that you're in trouble otherwise
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: everyone stops booking.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Site and sir correct and then all your creditors come
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: running as well. And that's why they had the trading halt,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: because of course, if anyone caught wind of this before
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: there was a trading halt, then the stock price would
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: have absolutely plummeted once again. You have a complete cash
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: flow problem because everyone's pulling their and their capital out
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of the company. And for just going back to what
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it means for the consumer, if there's not some sort
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of intervention from the government, and I don't mean just
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Rex here, but if there's not some sort of intervention
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: from the government to create a more open domestic airline
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: market that Bonds and Rex and others before it have
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: tried to do. And never never forget that Anset fell
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: over as well. You know, so many companies have tried
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to muscle in on the market, but without the cooperation
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: of the government, you simply can't do it. And you've
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: got to ask the question, why are they so protective
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: of not so much Virgin, but Quantus in particular. I mean,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: remember all that money that was given in job keeper
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: payments to Quantus, none of which has been paid back
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: by Quantus, despite the fact that it made record profits
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: directly after COVID. The federal government didn't jump in to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: bail out Virgin when they were going belly up during
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: cod They had to rely on a private investor to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: come in and put that money in. I don't think
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that would happen with Quantus. We had this attachment to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Quantus because it was once a government owned national carrier airline.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: But we've moved beyond that. There shouldn't be any protection anymore.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: The government should be trying to open up the market,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and they simply unwilling to do it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to go to a break when we
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: come back. A journalist embarrassed when he assumes the people
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: he's interviewing are as racist as he is.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: That's coming up.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Let's say a good lawyer never asks a question he
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't already know the answer to, and this journalist asked
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: a question that he assumed he knew the answer to,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: only to.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Be shocked by the response.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: How many of you know a black man who has
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: expressed to you that they're committed to voting for Donald Trump.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: For the brothers who have told you that were said
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that to you.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Has the emergence of Kamala Harris achieved that all?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: You've got to love it when MSNBC they're sure they
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: know what the answer is, because you know, they are
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: so motivated by rac I think everyone else is to.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Find No, these black men refuse to be you guys
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: into a corner.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Because a target demographic you're supposed to hate, Drum, come on,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: help me out here, and his back up question thinking
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I'll get him here. Yeah, but they've changed their minds now,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: aren't they? Because someone who's black. She's not really, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: someone who's black is running for president. Surely they switch
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: their votes now, And they're.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, no, I love the imagery though he even
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: had them sitting in the corner, don't you had them?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But they refuse to be cornered.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They're now going to have to get a group of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Indians in the room to ask them as well, because
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of course that's that's what she actually.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Is, is Indian and Jamaica.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: This this thing that the MSNBC is doing where they
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: just sort of get a bunch of people in a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: room who are meant to belong to some sort of
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: interest group and then asking them how they feel isn't working.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Because we showed a clip last week of them asking
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a bunch of women what they thought of Kamala and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they said she was stupid. So I'm glad he MISSINGBC
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: is having it thrown.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: I think she's an idiot.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: One of the of all the stories I saw today,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: this one is my favorite. Pesto the penguin at Melbourne Aquarium.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: He's just a baby, but have a look at the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: size of this bugger.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Behind me. We have Pisto. He is our newest time chick.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: He's about six months old. You know the look at me.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Is our biggest baby ever at almost twenty heroes. It's
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: his foster Pearance Tango one hutson't have done a really
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: good job raising him.
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: He eats about twenty five fish a day spread over
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: fair feeds, which is about.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Double ware adult King penguins kit.
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: So this is allowing him to look up really quickly,
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: so he can slitch in a.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Few months time and he'll come out looking like one
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: of those guys.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I weighed four times as match as him,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't even eat as much as he eats
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: in a day.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: It's incredible.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Are we going to show that?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: We've got to show one more clip because that penguin
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: reminded us of something else.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: Have a look.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Also very large.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Hey listen, that's it from us tonight, repeating that news
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Rex Airlines placed in voluntary administration.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: For more updates throughout the night on.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: What that means for the traveling public go to our
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: website skynews dot com dot au. All the information, the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: latest will be there coming up. Now it's the Reef
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Penalty Show.