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Galactic Companies, Galactic Problems · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 3: us to tonight's topic, because sets of ears are going
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Speaker 3: to be very important if you're running a company, because
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Speaker 3: everybody's got to listen, everybody's got to talk, everybody's got
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Speaker 3: to interact. And we've looked at how difficult it is
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Speaker 3: to govern a galaxy. We've looked at how difficult it
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Speaker 3: is to do you know, everything from billing to utilities
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Speaker 3: to like, we've explored a lot of things, but we've
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Speaker 3: never really brought right into focus is the difficulty of
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Speaker 3: running an actual business. Yeah, because I was, you know,
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Speaker 3: I was at a meeting at work. We every one
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Speaker 3: of us, you know, we go to meetings at work,
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Speaker 3: regardless of what it is, whether it's a team meeting,
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Speaker 3: a staff meeting, a huddle, whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 3: But when you expand onto a galactic scale, we have
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Speaker 3: here on Earth multinational corporations. How on Earth are you
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Speaker 3: going to juggle all of the aspects of a multi
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Speaker 3: system galactic company wherein all of the different planets at
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Speaker 3: different times, there are different time zones on planets, in
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Speaker 3: different sectors, in different parts of the galaxy, with all
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Speaker 3: of these communication challenges, how will you possibly be able
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Speaker 3: to keep a company going with any sort of centralized
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Speaker 3: function when you have so many things to consider?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great question. You know,
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Speaker 4: the thought process that a multi galactic corporation across you know,
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Speaker 4: who knows how many planets, having employees from so many
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Speaker 4: different worlds. So then you've got this whole issue of
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Speaker 4: the people that you have under your employment have different values,
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Speaker 4: different systems of understanding time, different thought processes of what
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Speaker 4: should be available for healthcare or what even healthcare is,
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Speaker 4: let alone, like what about hygiene for different species and
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Speaker 4: them working together and all of these things, And so
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Speaker 4: it really is an interesting conundrum to think about what
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Speaker 4: it would be like to run a company that is
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Speaker 4: based off of different planets. So I wanted to is
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Speaker 4: we were, you know, thinking about this idea. This is
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Speaker 4: the one thing that first came to mind as a
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Speaker 4: way to kind of help alleviate some of those issues,
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Speaker 4: is that each branch of that company on different planets
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Speaker 4: would mostly be staffed by people of the main species
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Speaker 4: of that planet. And so Therefore that branch may have
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Speaker 4: certain rules that are slightly different because of that, you know,
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Speaker 4: they have may have different hour systems or anything that
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Speaker 4: kind of match the culture of that people. You know,
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Speaker 4: they may be run by the higher ups, you know,
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Speaker 4: from the main part of the company wherever it's based.
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Speaker 4: So like you know, if you're a Correllian company, but
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Speaker 4: you have an office as well on Seleucami, and then
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Speaker 4: one on Fallusia, and then one on Geonosis, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm just thinking of planets, right, of course, each each
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Speaker 4: one of those branches would would mirror in some ways
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Speaker 4: that the culture that's there, and yet would would still
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Speaker 4: have to try to adhere to your company's values, which
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Speaker 4: I mean when you think about this, this is actually
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Speaker 4: the kind of thing like that's the Trade Federation, right,
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Speaker 4: They are a multi planetary corporation that is so large
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Speaker 4: that it's actually a part of the Galactic Senate, and
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Speaker 4: yet they're mainly run by Nimoidians.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I like that you're highlighting
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Speaker 3: this because what you'd be saying there would be you're
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Speaker 3: highlighting that the Trade Federation is synonymous with Nimoidia. It
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter how many different planets are in there. You
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Speaker 3: think trade federation, you think Nimoidian, and you think of
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Speaker 3: different cultures like that. It's interesting because that would be like, okay,
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Speaker 3: I could have a company that's incorporated and let's not
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Speaker 3: even open up that can of worms. How do you corporate?
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Speaker 3: Like what planet are you incorporated? You have to incorporate,
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Speaker 3: you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, because like
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Speaker 3: the laws would have to be so complex for a
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Speaker 3: company even to exist. And we're not trying to nerd
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Speaker 3: about this is purely out of interest because it's like
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Speaker 3: there are a lot of logistical reasons. I could see
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Speaker 3: a planetary sort of thing. Okay, so something gets so
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Speaker 3: big that it's planetary and then their ambition. You know,
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Speaker 3: a company has to grow. It never allowed to be
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Speaker 3: quote unquote stagnant. Always has to grow. It's the greatest
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Speaker 3: scam in history. But whatever, So you wind up going
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Speaker 3: off and go, you know what, we also want to
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Speaker 3: do business over on Clashouin. Well, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 3: hire Clattauinians, right, or you're gonna have to ship in
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Speaker 3: workers some Corrussant and then you're gonna have conflict right there.
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Speaker 3: And then sort of where I go with what you're
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Speaker 3: talking about is then what kind of a nightmare for
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Speaker 3: the HR Department is that? Okay, well, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: do business here, but you have to abide by trade
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Speaker 3: federation rules or whatever company is is there. Well then
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Speaker 3: what if the Inians don't want to work there anymore?
8:02
Speaker 3: Well then why are you even at the planet? Right?
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Speaker 3: Like what resource? What reason would you have not just
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Speaker 3: to set it up as just a trade route or
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Speaker 3: something like that. And in a sense, that makes the
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Speaker 3: Empire make more sense to the corporations, you know, because
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Speaker 3: the corruption of the republic and everything, because the Empire
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Speaker 3: is going to come in with that iron fist and
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Speaker 3: be like, oh no, the company makes the rules on
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Speaker 3: this planet because we're back in the company. It's like
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Speaker 3: the mob, which brings me to my next point running
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Speaker 3: a syndicate. We're about to have mal shadow Lord and
8:37
Speaker 3: we know Maul went on to run Crimson Dawn and
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Speaker 3: he had to like coordinate that. It was probably so
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Speaker 3: much easier to have an interplanetary crime ring than it
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Speaker 3: was to have a legitimate business because a crime ring
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Speaker 3: doesn't have to play by rules.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think that is is one hundred
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Speaker 4: percent correct. You know, if you have a legitimate business,
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Speaker 4: obviously there's going to be rules and regulations just as
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Speaker 4: we have now right, Uh, that that have to be
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Speaker 4: taken care of, they have to abide by, you know,
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Speaker 4: all of that kind of stuff. And then but a syndicate,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's running underground. Everything is going to be
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Speaker 4: you know, flying by the seat of your pants. Uh,
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Speaker 4: and therefore, uh, you know, you're you're definitely going to
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Speaker 4: be in a place where nobody cares what you're doing.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: Really, in some ways, I feel like what it would
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Speaker 4: care about is just whether or not, uh, you're delivering
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Speaker 4: the product, right, whatever the product is, Like, if you're
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Speaker 4: hiring a syndicate to do that, that's really all you
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Speaker 4: care about. And I think that is something that like
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Speaker 4: I was, I was thinking about this idea of the
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Speaker 4: different companies and everything, and we saw a little bit
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Speaker 4: of this, you know, like especially in and or in
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Speaker 4: cerial working for the Department of like Regulation and what
10:24
Speaker 4: was was it called John?
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Speaker 3: Uh it was the Imperial something something Bureau Standard Standards
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Speaker 3: stands Bureau.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think, uh, I think that's really interesting.
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Speaker 4: Because you look at that, and it's just this monolithic thing, right, Uh.
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Speaker 4: And it's it's run by the empire. It's run by
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Speaker 4: the government. In many ways, you see the government kind
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Speaker 4: of taking over a lot of these industries, uh, kind
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Speaker 4: of in a in a very you know, communist social
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Speaker 4: utopia here at the beginning of the Empire.
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Speaker 3: Or year zero stuff.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So and then you juxtapose that with what we're
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Speaker 4: going to see in mal Shadow Lord, with these syndicates, right,
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Speaker 4: and those are the type of things that grow in
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Speaker 4: power because of the internal corruption that's going behind the
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Speaker 4: scenes and just the amount of bureaucratic red tape that
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Speaker 4: happens in something as massive as the Empire, which you
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Speaker 4: know pales even in comparison to the things that we
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Speaker 4: saw in you know, the the history of the Republic,
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Speaker 4: right with the corruption that's.
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Speaker 2: Going on there.
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Speaker 4: And so you know, this is actually, you know, just
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Speaker 4: something that I you know, we see hints of it
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Speaker 4: in all of the different shows, especially between the two trilogies,
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Speaker 4: and I almost wish we could get more of this
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Speaker 4: because I think it'd just be really interesting.
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Speaker 3: I'll never give up campaigning for a show set between
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Speaker 3: episode one and episode two where we really delve into
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Speaker 3: this type of stuff, Like that's the type of thing
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Speaker 3: I would want to see, And maybe I'm weird for
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Speaker 3: it or something like that, but I think that would
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Speaker 3: be some tremendous world building opportunities because you know, where
12:16
Speaker 3: you would see sort of the corruption setting up what's
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Speaker 3: going to come with Palpatine. Because it really seems to
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Speaker 3: me that you know, these companies would have supported the
12:27
Speaker 3: empire specifically because it would have made it easier for
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Speaker 3: them to run their business. Yeah, like that becomes the
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Speaker 3: reason for them to support it, because you're just about
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Speaker 3: making money and you're just about you know, consolidating your
12:41
Speaker 3: control of things. And if you have a big dog
12:44
Speaker 3: on the block, that's gonna just maul anyway. Hey, no
12:48
Speaker 3: pun intended, maul anybody that gets out of line, You've
12:51
Speaker 3: got your ticket to ride. At that point, you just
12:53
Speaker 3: bribe the right official. I mean, you see that the
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Speaker 3: giant problem that happens in a a you know, a
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Speaker 3: system like China has where there's all of that corruption.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that other countries aren't corrupt. I'm just
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Speaker 3: pointing that out as an example sort of here. But
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Speaker 3: you know, like that there's that corruption chain with the
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Speaker 3: companies because the government ultimately runs all of the companies,
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Speaker 3: and it's like when you get close to that type
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Speaker 3: of system, whatever country you're in, And again I'm not
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Speaker 3: singling anybody out as it's just it was the country
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Speaker 3: that came to mind, but actually it came to mind
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Speaker 3: specifically because here's the next the next thing I would
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Speaker 3: throw at you. You know, I was thinking of China
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Speaker 3: and specific because Chinese New Year comes up here on
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Speaker 3: Earth and I know that. You know, the company I
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Speaker 3: work for, we had to rush an order because they
13:39
Speaker 3: were like, if you don't get it in before this date,
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Speaker 3: our our supplier is going to shut down for two
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Speaker 3: weeks because the you know, the New Year is coming up.
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Speaker 3: We have to get this order in now. So you know,
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Speaker 3: whoever it was in the chain was like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: go go go get it done, Get it done. How
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Speaker 3: do you juggle something like that? You're a multiplanetary company
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Speaker 3: And then you mentioned the culture earlier. What do you
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Speaker 3: do when there's a festival that everybody traditionally takes two
14:11
Speaker 3: weeks off for. That's a huge problem in your supply chain,
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Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, like, how do you keep it going?
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Speaker 3: Because every every planet's going to have something like that
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Speaker 3: going on and it's not going to be coordinated.
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Speaker 4: So my thought process on that would be that is
14:25
Speaker 4: where if that kind of thing happens, you know, you
14:29
Speaker 4: supplement what's happening on that planet with you know, employees
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Speaker 4: from another planet, you know, to pick up the slack.
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Speaker 4: And if you're a company that's big enough, it seems
14:41
Speaker 4: like that you would be able to do that or
14:44
Speaker 4: you know, you know, that would become I think a
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Speaker 4: part of your thought process, right that you know that
14:54
Speaker 4: every year on you know, just pick a planet like
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Speaker 4: they're going to have some sort of celebration that closes
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Speaker 4: things down for a week, you know, to celebrate the
15:07
Speaker 4: the anniversary of the queen or whatever. You know, So
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Speaker 4: you know that I think is something that just kind
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Speaker 4: of makes sense to me that you're either planned for
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Speaker 4: that or you know, if you're big enough, you can
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Speaker 4: bring in people to to take over those responsibilities enough
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Speaker 4: so you're not really going to lose.
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Speaker 2: You know, revenue just because.
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Speaker 4: A planet decided that you know, they they wanted to,
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Speaker 4: you know, have a celebration for something, so.
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Speaker 3: Right, you know, but I mean it's it's but then
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Speaker 3: how do you get to the point of you know,
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Speaker 3: I like, I'm just seeing this sort of like critical
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Speaker 3: mass thing where it's like I could see the like the.
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Speaker 2: One thing I can't.
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Speaker 3: Crack is there was resources and services that would appeal
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Speaker 3: across the board, but there are a lot that wouldn't.
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Speaker 3: But then additionally, in terms of the labor, shouldn't we
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Speaker 3: see even more offloading of labor to you know, to robots.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we have people here on this
16:22
Speaker 3: planet right now as we're recording this saying in twenty years,
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Speaker 3: labor is going to be outlawed. You'll only work if
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Speaker 3: you want to because AI is going to replace everything,
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Speaker 3: which spoilers isn't true. But like you but like you
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Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, Like, why wouldn't there been more
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Speaker 3: of a push to have more automated stuff in place?
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Speaker 3: And why was there any industry at all that employed anyone?
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Speaker 3: I Mean, the obviously answer I think is that it's
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Speaker 3: just impractical after a certain point. And you're also going
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Speaker 3: to have planets at different rates of you know, let's
16:55
Speaker 3: call it modernization. But it's like, you should we see
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Speaker 3: more of that type of automation than Star Wars? Would
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Speaker 3: that would that actually ensure more peace because there would
17:07
Speaker 3: be nothing to fight over sort of thing. Do you
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Speaker 3: do you see that sort of thing happening?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that there would be a lot
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Speaker 4: of companies that would be utilizing uh, you know, different
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Speaker 4: types of automation. You know. I feel like that the
17:29
Speaker 4: places where that that possibly wouldn't be happening would would
17:34
Speaker 4: be a place like you know, the front facing uh
17:40
Speaker 4: spots where you know that you want people and species
17:44
Speaker 4: to feel the friendly touch. But yeah, I feel like
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of spots where just having something like
17:55
Speaker 4: you know, ah, a whole workforce that does the job
18:03
Speaker 4: that you would do, say in like a Coca Cola plant,
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Speaker 4: you know, with droids, like why wouldn't you.
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Speaker 3: Well, but then you know you talk about the personal touch.
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Speaker 3: How many people on planet Earth right now, in you know,
18:18
Speaker 3: certain nations of you know, a specific level of technological advancement,
18:24
Speaker 3: you know, don't value in person interaction at all. I
18:28
Speaker 3: mean that I've read some article about like the amount
18:30
Speaker 3: of money that people spend on uber eats is staggering. Yeah,
18:34
Speaker 3: and it's like, actually I was talking with somebody shortly
18:37
Speaker 3: before we started recording this who said, oh, Yeah, I
18:39
Speaker 3: went on a trip and I forgot my toothbrush, so
18:42
Speaker 3: I paid uber Eat sixteen dollars to come and bring
18:44
Speaker 3: because he was like, it was a sixteen dollars toothbrush,
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Speaker 3: And I was like, what the hell. Wouldn't you jump
18:49
Speaker 3: in a car and just like go to the store
18:51
Speaker 3: that's two miles down the road sort of thing. But like,
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Speaker 3: I mean that would be a place for automation, sure,
18:57
Speaker 3: but like you've got online ordering right now. It's hard
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Speaker 3: enough to keep up with that. You know, all those
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Speaker 3: different algorithms firing and everything, Like somebody on Naboo wants
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Speaker 3: to order or you know what, let's flip it around
19:12
Speaker 3: because we love to reference the fact that in Solo,
19:14
Speaker 3: a Star Wars story, people were eating it. But somebody
19:17
Speaker 3: wants to eat colo clawfish from Naboo, right, and they're
19:20
Speaker 3: over on Corossant. You have to order the thing and
19:23
Speaker 3: then it's got to Does it have to be shipped
19:25
Speaker 3: from the boot? Did they find a way to grow
19:27
Speaker 3: colo clawfish over in Corossant? Well, I mean, like is
19:31
Speaker 3: it being cloned somewhere? Like that would be fascinating, But
19:34
Speaker 3: like all those different ordering pipelines that have to to
19:37
Speaker 3: fire how on Earth would you do stuff like that?
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Speaker 3: You know, like the shipping alone would be crazy. And
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Speaker 3: this whole conversation started with me thinking just in terms
19:46
Speaker 3: of like, you know, somebody goes out on vacation and
19:49
Speaker 3: they set their out of office. How do they tell
19:51
Speaker 3: somebody when they're going to be back in Because every
19:53
Speaker 3: planet that sends them an email is going to be
19:56
Speaker 3: judged from a different you know, time factor. I'll be
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Speaker 3: back in two weeks, well two weeks from when? And
20:03
Speaker 3: what is two weeks on planet A when I live
20:05
Speaker 3: on planet B. Yeah, that sort of thing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even just thinking about the idea of
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Speaker 4: you know, how you would be able to promote products
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Speaker 4: on different planets and everything. I mean, you know, we
20:19
Speaker 4: think of the idea of like food, food, allergies, you know,
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Speaker 4: just on our world. So what does that look like
20:25
Speaker 4: with you know, everything else involved with that for people?
20:30
Speaker 4: You know that that's kind of terrifying in some ways. Uh.
20:35
Speaker 4: And so but then like coal of crawfish, how rare
20:40
Speaker 4: are they? You know?
20:42
Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 4: And then does that mean that of course you know,
20:46
Speaker 4: demand is is where the price of that goes up,
20:52
Speaker 4: and so that you know, if you want to buy
20:57
Speaker 4: that on a you know, acivic planet. So if you
21:01
Speaker 4: are outside Naboo and you want to buy that on coruscants,
21:06
Speaker 4: you know, is the charge for that such an outrageous
21:09
Speaker 4: figure that you can only have the largest of the
21:14
Speaker 4: large company or person be able to afford that, you know,
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Speaker 4: just because it's so expensive.
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Speaker 3: Well it even gets you too. And I'm not taking
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Speaker 3: any sort of political stance at all, but like it
21:29
Speaker 3: gets you to the idea that like the Empire could
21:32
Speaker 3: have stayed in power forever, could have been absolutely you know,
21:37
Speaker 3: everybody would have loved it, and people's eyebrows go up
21:40
Speaker 3: with that. But the Empire had the power and the
21:43
Speaker 3: political will, and they could have just said, you know what,
21:47
Speaker 3: we want to keep everybody happy. We'll guarantee food, We'll
21:51
Speaker 3: we'll just feed everybody for free. We'll take care of
21:55
Speaker 3: like one of the most basic necessities of life. You
21:58
Speaker 3: never have to worry about anything again. Just walk up
22:00
Speaker 3: to a thing. Sure, they're all little gray cubes, but
22:02
Speaker 3: you'll never go hungry. Yeah, And so it's like, you
22:05
Speaker 3: know that that would be sort of a thing where
22:07
Speaker 3: it's like they that exposes how I guess they would
22:12
Speaker 3: be using companies to create demand that would keep people
22:19
Speaker 3: in a constant state of want, which I guess is
22:23
Speaker 3: maybe the consumer culture we're in now, question Mark, is
22:27
Speaker 3: that is that where we're seeing the commentary on that.
22:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what's interesting is that that is a
22:38
Speaker 4: huge shift in it. Maybe that's one of the places
22:41
Speaker 4: where I think you're right. The Empire you know, made
22:46
Speaker 4: itself look good to everybody by maybe at the beginning,
22:52
Speaker 4: making it seem as though.
22:55
Speaker 2: They were going to.
22:57
Speaker 4: Remove the corruption that was causing inflation on all of
23:04
Speaker 4: these items.
23:07
Speaker 2: And in the end what they did is.
23:12
Speaker 4: It started off well and then it slowly just gets
23:14
Speaker 4: taken away and you know, it never really comes to
23:20
Speaker 4: fruition the way you thought it was going to, and
23:24
Speaker 4: before you know it, you're used to you know, standing
23:29
Speaker 4: in a breadline somewhere, or you know, you're just used
23:33
Speaker 4: to the local you know, grocery store, you know, not
23:40
Speaker 4: having enough, which you know, it's interesting because you know,
23:43
Speaker 4: again this is something we see in and Or right
23:45
Speaker 4: where he and Bicks go to the store they are
23:48
Speaker 4: in Coruscant, the little shop that's near the hideout, and
23:54
Speaker 4: you know, you see the things that are available there,
23:58
Speaker 4: it feels like one of those tiny little New York
24:00
Speaker 4: hole in the wall grocery stores. That bodega, Yeah it
24:04
Speaker 4: doesn't have a ton, but it's got enough, you know,
24:07
Speaker 4: And what they have in seems to be based on
24:12
Speaker 4: what the supply was that that month or that week
24:15
Speaker 4: or whatever, which to me is really fascinating. So I
24:19
Speaker 4: think that thought process that we have here of you know,
24:25
Speaker 4: people getting used to that. And again, the upper echelons
24:32
Speaker 4: are the ones who can get whatever they want. It's
24:35
Speaker 4: the little people that just don't have that opportunity. And
24:38
Speaker 4: I think that's that's pretty fascinating and really interesting to me.
24:41
Speaker 4: And like again it's one of those things where it's
24:45
Speaker 4: like the idea of running a company across you know, planets, Yeah,
24:50
Speaker 4: seems incredibly difficult, and it has the same difficulty of
24:54
Speaker 4: when we've talked about just like governance across planets. But
24:59
Speaker 4: in some ways I think that, you know, so the
25:04
Speaker 4: Trade Federation, if it's if it as an example, we
25:08
Speaker 4: see that it's run at the top mainly by pneumoidians.
25:15
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm guessing then that at the different planets
25:18
Speaker 4: that they have those different species you know, doing the
25:24
Speaker 4: grunt work, or they're just you know, utilizing a lot
25:31
Speaker 4: of droids at that point.
25:34
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I could easily see the Nimoidians swooping
25:37
Speaker 3: in and saying, oh, well, you'll have a Nimoidian supervisor,
25:41
Speaker 3: but you guys will all work the factory, and that's
25:44
Speaker 3: that's what. That's how we'll maintain quality or or standards
25:48
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to say. I think that if anything,
25:54
Speaker 3: what what is it enduring theme that we kind of
26:00
Speaker 3: come back to, whether we intend to or not, is
26:03
Speaker 3: as you look at the Empire and then you look
26:06
Speaker 3: at the late stage Republic and stuff like that, it
26:09
Speaker 3: really is like, won't get fooled again by the who
26:13
Speaker 3: meet the new boss same as the old boss. And
26:17
Speaker 3: it's like where people living in until you encounter the
26:26
Speaker 3: knuckles inside the velvet glove. The Empire is able to
26:30
Speaker 3: keep everybody happy enough, and the way they do that
26:35
Speaker 3: is by allowing the companies to be the bad guys.
26:39
Speaker 3: And the companies are so greedy that they don't realize
26:44
Speaker 3: that they are able to be maneuvered into being the
26:48
Speaker 3: bad guy, to taking the blame for what's really wrong,
26:52
Speaker 3: because it's sort of like it's like a reverse umbrella effect.
26:55
Speaker 3: The anger is going to come up from the bottom,
26:58
Speaker 3: so you build a little shield under HM. So you
27:02
Speaker 3: build a little shield underneath yourself to take the heat
27:06
Speaker 3: so that you never really get up to the the
27:09
Speaker 3: upper echelon imperial stuff that's actually going on. Yeah, so
27:17
Speaker 3: it's an interesting thing for sure. I mean, it's it's
27:20
Speaker 3: one where I'm glad that that Star Wars has gotten
27:23
Speaker 3: into it, but hasn't gotten too far into it, so
27:27
Speaker 3: that we could have sort of like these sort of
27:29
Speaker 3: like interesting discussions about it, and they haven't sidestepped it
27:33
Speaker 3: completely the way Star Trek did, where it was just like, oh,
27:36
Speaker 3: we don't use money, okay, but how do you determine
27:40
Speaker 3: the value of Okay? Sure, I mean like but you know,
27:44
Speaker 3: of course they got the Replicator stuff going on and
27:46
Speaker 3: everything like that. So but at the at the end
27:50
Speaker 3: of it, I want to end with a fun question
27:53
Speaker 3: because I would ask you, Okay, you're in the Star
27:57
Speaker 3: Wars galaxy. You're going to run a company, you Matthew Rushing,
28:02
Speaker 3: You're gonna run a company in the Star Wars galaxy.
28:05
Speaker 3: What type of company are you running? And how large
28:08
Speaker 3: a company do you want it to become?
28:14
Speaker 2: Yeah?
28:14
Speaker 4: I think I want to to create a nerf leather
28:21
Speaker 4: Jacket company and really cater to those who want cool
28:27
Speaker 4: jackets in the Star Wars universe. I mean, Star Wars
28:29
Speaker 4: is just full of cool jackets, and this is true. Yeah,
28:33
Speaker 4: that's my company, and we're gonna stop small. But the
28:36
Speaker 4: goal would be galactic domination of course. Uh and uh,
28:40
Speaker 4: you know, because everybody loves a good jacket.
28:43
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what species you are. Good jacket always
28:46
Speaker 2: is is in vogue. And so yeah, that's what I'm
28:49
Speaker 2: what about.
28:50
Speaker 3: You, Well, I'll make one little pitch as your lead
28:53
Speaker 3: investor here. I'll say consider also boots because, especially in
28:57
Speaker 3: the prequel era, the boot game is Wars pretty sick.
29:01
Speaker 3: You got to admit the Jedi were getting their boots
29:03
Speaker 3: from somewhere. Why not let it be Jedi Master Matthew
29:07
Speaker 3: Russian's Bay company. Yeah like that, that'd be pretty good jack.
29:11
Speaker 3: There you go. You've diversified right there, and it's all nerve, leather, beautiful.
29:16
Speaker 4: I love it.
29:16
Speaker 3: You got a boutique system going on there. I can
29:20
Speaker 3: honestly tell you I'm too lazy to run a company.
29:23
Speaker 3: And if I were to transfer my real personality over
29:25
Speaker 3: into something, the most I would probably want to be
29:29
Speaker 3: would be running like some sort of bookstore on a
29:33
Speaker 3: planet somewhere, and then eventually I'd become, I guess, like
29:36
Speaker 3: the Barnes and Noble of the galaxy, and like it
29:39
Speaker 3: would be because we'd be carrying your jackets and boots
29:43
Speaker 3: in our little extra section. But the books that I
29:45
Speaker 3: would carry actually would probably get me arrested by the Empire.
29:51
Speaker 3: So it would be a good run until Palpatine took power,
29:56
Speaker 3: and then my store would get closed down. This is
29:59
Speaker 3: paving the way for or your nerf Leather company to
30:02
Speaker 3: take over and take possession of all of the assets.
30:05
Speaker 3: So everybody wins in this scenario, I would say, But
30:09
Speaker 3: you know how everybody else can win is they can
30:10
Speaker 3: find out how to reach out to you online. So Matt,
30:13
Speaker 3: why don't you tell them where they can find you?
30:15
Speaker 4: Well, you can find me all over social media and
30:17
Speaker 4: the named Matt Rushing zero two. Of course, here on
30:19
Speaker 4: the network, I've got a show called Alpost about every
30:22
Speaker 4: single chapter the Harry Potter series one chapter of Time.
30:25
Speaker 4: Over on the TFM network a lot of shows. One
30:27
Speaker 4: is called the six oh two Club, as we talk
30:30
Speaker 4: about all the franchises we love outside of Star Trek
30:33
Speaker 4: and then a lot of great star trek talk over
30:35
Speaker 4: there with my good friend Chris Jones. But John, if
30:38
Speaker 4: people wanted to catch up with you, where would they
30:39
Speaker 4: find you?
30:41
Speaker 3: Well, gosh, you can find me as cassel junkie out
30:43
Speaker 3: there on your social network of choice. I recommend Letterbox
30:45
Speaker 3: because that's where I have the most fun, and I
30:48
Speaker 3: am the most fun over on Letterbox because let's face it, Matt,
30:51
Speaker 3: you and me, we watch a lot of movies, and
30:54
Speaker 3: I think that things like the Letterbox are good reads.
30:57
Speaker 3: Those are the best social media platforms out there. And
31:00
Speaker 3: you can find me here on the network, co hosting
31:03
Speaker 3: a show called house Lights with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser,
31:08
Speaker 3: where we look at the film work of different directors.
31:11
Speaker 3: We're actually, as of this recording, we're moving from Michael Kurtiz,
31:18
Speaker 3: legendary director of Casablanca, and we are getting ready very
31:25
Speaker 3: shortly to open up an examination of Kurrasawa by decade.
31:31
Speaker 3: So that'll be a fun one, everybody, all right, So
31:34
Speaker 3: go ahead and jump on over to house Lights. But
31:37
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, master Rushing, I have to go back,
31:40
Speaker 3: and I actually I realize that I left the back
31:43
Speaker 3: door to the storeroom on my bookstore on Corussant open,
31:48
Speaker 3: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
31:51
Speaker 2: John, negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.