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How could Mike Elias approach the deadline? Who is next on the move? · Birdland Territory

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  Speaker 1: A Birdland Welcome in Trade Deadline Eve edition of Birdland Territory.
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  Speaker 1: As we're now less than twenty four hours away from
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  Speaker 1: the deadline six pm Eastern Monday, so we're taping this
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  Speaker 1: a little before seven o'clock on Sunday night. So if
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  Speaker 1: something happens at eight or nine and you don't see
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  Speaker 1: it on this video, you'll know why. Things happen fast.
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  Speaker 1: There could be deals tonight as we take this. The
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  Speaker 1: Oriols have made the one trade of Dean Kramer. A
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  Speaker 1: lot more could be coming, so welcome in Steve, Tim
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  Speaker 1: and Brad. It was an uplifting Friday night at the
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  Speaker 1: ballpark to come from behind wind and then the Oriols
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  Speaker 1: really late at egg shut out, back to back rain
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  Speaker 1: today game called after the second rain to day five
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  Speaker 1: and a half innings Phillies nothing so guys, the Oils
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  Speaker 1: are fifty four and fifty eight at the deadline. We
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  Speaker 1: can now say there are no more games, so the
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  Speaker 1: trade deadline. They do not have the look of a
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  Speaker 1: playoff team with this series falling flat the way they have.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Ia said Friday, they could be buyers and sellers.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens now. What are your guys thoughts
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  Speaker 1: coming out of the Phillies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I just don't know. At this point.
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  Speaker 2: It's I can't see how they could be buyers.
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  Speaker 3: It was after that game Friday, you thought they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: take some of that momentum into the game Saturday and Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and like you said, see just kind of fell flat
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  Speaker 3: and offense wasn't able to get anything going. Boz had
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  Speaker 3: a great start, and then the bullpen unfortunately kind of
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  Speaker 3: let the lead get away there on Saturday, and then
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  Speaker 3: today was just a rough one from the Star with
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  Speaker 3: the rain, and yeah, it just kind of messes up
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  Speaker 3: all the plans there. So it's I mean, they were
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  Speaker 3: on the doorstep two games under five hundred, and you're
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  Speaker 3: feeling good, but the vibes were high, and then it's
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  Speaker 3: just now your four games under five hundred, and I
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  Speaker 3: just don't. I just can't see them being buyers at
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  Speaker 3: this point after the And it's tough to say after
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  Speaker 3: two games, but it just kind of seemed like it flipped.
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  Speaker 3: It flipped the other way. Friday you thought it might
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  Speaker 3: be and now it's after two games like that. I
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  Speaker 3: guess that's just the way the standings are. It's just
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  Speaker 3: everything's so close, but it's a little a little tough
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  Speaker 3: after those two losses.
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  Speaker 4: That's sort of been the story of the season, right guys.
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  Speaker 4: You have the crazy come from behind when what was
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  Speaker 4: it Thursday in Detroit where you're down seven runs, s
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  Speaker 4: gooogles on the mound, you win Friday. The Phillies are
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  Speaker 4: really really struggling coming to Camden Yards. They lost nine
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  Speaker 4: of twelve coming in after the All Star break, and.
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  Speaker 2: To lose the series, it's tough.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Michaellias, he was very honest and candid
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  Speaker 4: during that meeting with the media on Friday, and I
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  Speaker 4: just think in his projections and his numbers. You look
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  Speaker 4: at Fangrafts and their playoff odds are around twenty percent
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  Speaker 4: or so. I think you gotta be realistic and it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be tough to sort of thread that needle of
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  Speaker 4: buying and selling. But I think these next twenty four
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  Speaker 4: hours are gonna be really, really fascinating because there's just
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  Speaker 4: been so much smoke in terms of possible players that
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  Speaker 4: are up for sale for the Orioles.
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  Speaker 1: So many factors lead you to think we could see
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  Speaker 1: one or two big names go from this team, and
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  Speaker 1: those factors include the Oriols four games under having won
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  Speaker 1: one series since the end of the seven game winning
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  Speaker 1: streak they've won and three in series since then with
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  Speaker 1: a losing record, so they did not build on that streak.
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  Speaker 1: Other factors include it seems like many more buyers than sellers,
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  Speaker 1: teams that really need a catcher, which is where Adley's
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  Speaker 1: name keeps coming up here and the tea leaves are
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  Speaker 1: pointing that direction, and Mike Elias when he was asked
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  Speaker 1: about Adlee specifically, Friday mentioned again how much they like him,
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  Speaker 1: they hope he's here. But then he said the position
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  Speaker 1: the team has put us in, we have to be
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  Speaker 1: open minded to end anything.
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  Speaker 5: That to me was the key phrase.
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  Speaker 1: There's two words open minded, meaning he, even in his
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  Speaker 1: precarious personal situation with his contract and his future with
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  Speaker 1: the team, still has to think about adding right now.
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  Speaker 1: Almost seems foolish to try to make an int If
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  Speaker 1: you could get Trek Scoogle, that's different.
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  Speaker 5: They're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't get him, and they're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: a player who's a difference maker. Mason Miller is not
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  Speaker 1: walking through that door. So if you're going to get
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  Speaker 1: an incremental upgrade. To me, it's like, let this team
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  Speaker 1: stay as is and see if they can pull this out.
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  Speaker 4: And I think we've been saying this for a while,
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  Speaker 4: and Brad like, if this team is going to make
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  Speaker 4: a push and make the playoffs, it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: about the guys that they have. And Gunnar Henderson had
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  Speaker 4: that vintage moment Friday, but unfortunately not able to carry
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  Speaker 4: you know, can he sustain it?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 4: Can he carry this team? Can this offense wake up?
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  Speaker 4: The starting pitching, the pitching in general. To me, just
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  Speaker 4: not a player or two away. But then when you
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  Speaker 4: get back to the Adley of it all, Brad, I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was really telling. When Mike last met with
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  Speaker 4: the media and not counting the bradish press conference June
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventh, and he was asked about Adlie and he said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, but I wish Adley was here forever. I
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  Speaker 4: wish you add more club control. To now him saying
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  Speaker 4: he's open minded, I think that was pretty telling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I think it just kind of knows that there is
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  Speaker 3: a growing interest. If they were willing to trade ADLEI
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  Speaker 3: that interest has kind of grown. I feel like you
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't make that statement and change your kind of tune
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  Speaker 3: or tone of how you're saying things unless there is
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  Speaker 3: something on the table or something that is interesting to him.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's I think the Trek school.
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  Speaker 3: I know he's on the Oriols, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: trade is going to shake up what teams we're thinking
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  Speaker 3: about doing. I think if you're on the fringe now,
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  Speaker 3: you look at the Dodgers getting incremently better by getting
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  Speaker 3: the best picture player on the market, they now get
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  Speaker 3: better with him being on that team. Now, if you're
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  Speaker 3: on the edge there, you're thinking, Okay, we can make
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs, but how do we stack up against this,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, powerhouse. There's no other way to look at it.
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  Speaker 3: So I just feel like that that is going to
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  Speaker 3: send shockwaves and I wouldn't be surprised some teams that
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  Speaker 3: maybe were thinking about buying they end up just staying
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  Speaker 3: staying put. And I don't know it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: an interesting twenty four or forty eight hours here, because
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  Speaker 3: like we've said that oriers have some pieces they can
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  Speaker 3: move that teams have to be interested in. And on
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  Speaker 3: the other side of teams not being buyers, anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you look.
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  Speaker 3: At the Derek Scougole trade, you need teams that need
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  Speaker 3: to get incremently better. The Brewers they have to be
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  Speaker 3: looking at somebody like Rogers to get or the Taylor Award.
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  Speaker 3: There's plenty of teams that need a right handed hitting outfielder.
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  Speaker 3: They need to chase the Dodgers. So maybe the teams
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  Speaker 3: that we're thinking about not making a deal now they
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  Speaker 3: feel like they have to. So, but you're everybody's guests
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  Speaker 3: is as good as mine at this point, because it
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  Speaker 3: Mike really he gave some but at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like he made it just as foggy as
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  Speaker 3: it was before.
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  Speaker 2: He had the press conference.
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  Speaker 1: Before Elias is doug out press conference. I was there
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  Speaker 1: for that. I had a chance to interview Pete Alonzo
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  Speaker 1: as just me and him one on one, and I
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  Speaker 1: asked him, does the front office need to make a
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  Speaker 1: move to show support for the clubhouse?
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  Speaker 5: And he said no, He said they are.
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  Speaker 1: Support has been unwavering for us all year, and he
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  Speaker 1: cited the extensions of Boz and Bradish as moves they've
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  Speaker 1: made to support the team and its future. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: that was a politically correct answer. To my guy, they
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  Speaker 1: gave one hundred fifty five million two, But that was
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  Speaker 1: what he said. He also said to me it's not
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  Speaker 1: been a big topic in the clubhouse the deadline, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, keep in mind, ninety nine percent of things
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  Speaker 1: that are discussed never happened. Now, maybe it's not that
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  Speaker 1: high a percentage, but it is a high percentage. And
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  Speaker 1: every deadline guy's we talk about Adlie or Ward or
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  Speaker 1: Rogers or all these names we talked about, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's two or three we never talked about, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: are involved in a deal. And finally, my last point
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  Speaker 1: deadline day last year, this is who the Orioles traded.
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  Speaker 1: Ramona Reus, Ryan O'Hearn, Ramon Loreano, Andrew Kittridge, Charlie Morton,
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  Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins. They did all that on the final day
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  Speaker 1: and they traded cash for dietrich Ens.
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  Speaker 5: It was busy, thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Five trades on the final day last year, and I
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  Speaker 1: think some people think we're headed for something similar.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it looks like to me, and it's
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  Speaker 3: it's I'll definitely agree with what Pete said in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Guys are probably looking at stuff on their own, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not an open discussion. You don't ever really want
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  Speaker 3: to go there when you're in the clubhouse. So I
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  Speaker 3: can definitely see where he's coming from with that, because
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  Speaker 3: you got to move with the guys you got. You're
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  Speaker 3: not gonna you're not expecting to get some you know,
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  Speaker 3: hero walking through the door that's gonna win you fifteen
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  Speaker 3: extra games here within the last two months ago. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it's definitely one of those things where they're
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  Speaker 3: looking at themselves more than anything else, and if it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get turned around, they are the guys that are
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  Speaker 3: going to do it. So it's it's a it's an
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  Speaker 3: interesting dynamic because it's it's talked about everywhere, but in
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  Speaker 3: the clubhouse it's kind of like a taboo to kind
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  Speaker 3: of talk about it openly with guys. You might have
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  Speaker 3: a you know, a good friend on the team that
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  Speaker 3: you're kind of talking about it with, but outside of that,
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  Speaker 3: there's really no talks. It's just going out there every
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  Speaker 3: day and doing your business. And I know at times
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  Speaker 3: it can be a little maybe annoyed to hear that
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  Speaker 3: from the fan perspective because it's like, these guys have
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  Speaker 3: to be talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day. There's really nothing
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  Speaker 2: they can do about it.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to go out there and try to
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  Speaker 3: win every game and prepare yourself and be ready to
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  Speaker 3: go that night.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're if you're the player, you got to
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  Speaker 4: control what you can control. You don't have, you know,
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  Speaker 4: any unless you're a ten to five guy where you
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  Speaker 4: can decline a trade that you don't have the power
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  Speaker 4: to decide where you're going or if you're traded or
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  Speaker 4: any of this. You know, Trevor Rodgers is the perfect example,
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  Speaker 4: and he's the guy to me that's most up in
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  Speaker 4: the air, and he's been very open about it. But
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  Speaker 4: he's just got to go out there every fifth day
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  Speaker 4: and put his best foot forward and see where the
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  Speaker 4: chips lay. But I'd have to think it still will
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  Speaker 4: be a weight off this clubhouse, this team when the
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  Speaker 4: deadline does pass and they don't have a game tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: So next time we see him in action Tuesday against
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  Speaker 4: the Angels. You know, there's finality to all of this.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that the Oriols are not definitive buyers or sellers,
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  Speaker 1: as Elia said Friday, I think in a way maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's changed the dynamic. I don't know, I've been covered
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  Speaker 1: the Oils many years and I've been in there around
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  Speaker 1: this time of year.
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  Speaker 5: When you could feel the tension.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like wow, I can just feel, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel that with this team. And maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: the uncertainty of it all. Who knows what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So many guys say they want to be here, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously it's out of their hands. And as Brad said,
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  Speaker 1: you know you're discussing something you have zero control over,
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  Speaker 1: so it's really you're discussing.
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  Speaker 5: It won't change a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk more about Adlei Ritchman and the potential for
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  Speaker 1: the Oriols there at least less thing. That's what people
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  Speaker 1: closer than us are saying. And will that lead to action.
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  Speaker 1: We'll discuss that in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: And if some bombshells drop between now and then, there
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  Speaker 5: We'll sort it out.
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  Speaker 1: We're playing it by ear because no one knows when, where,
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  Speaker 1: how and who. We're all waiting to find out. The
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  Speaker 1: one trade they made, of course, was Friday Night Dan
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  Speaker 1: Kramer to the Twins. They got eighteen year old outfielder
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  Speaker 1: Jimnardo Reyes from Minnesota the Oriols. I think they're going
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  Speaker 1: to send him to del Marva, but he hasn't played
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  Speaker 1: as of Sunday yet for the Orioles organization. And we'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you more about him in a minute. But let's
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  Speaker 1: get back to Adleie Rutchman and the trade rumors here. Obviously, guys,
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  Speaker 1: they have two top caliber catchers, so if they trade one,
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  Speaker 1: you still have one that might be part of this thinking.
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  Speaker 5: They locked.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was August last year when they locked
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  Speaker 1: up Besio. But then again, if something happens with the
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  Speaker 1: SiO an injury of Slump, now you're down to zero.
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  Speaker 5: All star caliber catchers.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot to consider here, and it just may
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  Speaker 1: come down to if someone bowls them over, they just
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  Speaker 1: might have.
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  Speaker 5: To do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's I mean, we've kind of
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  Speaker 3: discussed that here the last couple of weeks, but I
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  Speaker 3: just think of the last week and I think in
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  Speaker 3: my mind it's become more clear that if there is
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  Speaker 3: an offer out there that you have to do, you
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  Speaker 3: got to take it, and you gotta do it, and
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  Speaker 3: you got to try to maybe change some things up
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  Speaker 3: and kind of work towards twenty twenty seven with the
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  Speaker 3: group of guys that you have have some good momentum.
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  Speaker 3: If you make the playoffs, great, but you have some
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  Speaker 3: good momentum moving into the next season. To me, it
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  Speaker 3: just it makes sense at this point. And I'm more
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  Speaker 3: curious when they when they got Jake Rogers. I just
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  Speaker 3: hope that there's no injury concern with Sammy or Ali
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  Speaker 3: that there's they haven't said anything, because it just kind
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  Speaker 3: of I know they needed to get somebody that was
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  Speaker 3: more established at the big league level to help out
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  Speaker 3: the catching side, but to go and trade for somebody
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  Speaker 3: like that right before it was a little interesting to me.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I'm completely speculating right now, but I hope
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  Speaker 3: there's not more there that they might think there might
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  Speaker 3: be with either of those guys, because he's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: established player. He's been in the big leagues now, I
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  Speaker 3: think four or five seasons, and I think you just
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  Speaker 3: kind of ran out of playing time in Detroit. But
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was an interesting move too, because you're
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  Speaker 3: kind of solidifying a little bit on the catching side
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  Speaker 3: of things. And I don't know when Samuel or Adley's
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  Speaker 3: gonna come back, because they really haven't said too much
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, he did touch on it Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah he did, and he actually was asked
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  Speaker 1: that question, is this acquisition and indication there are things worse?
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  Speaker 1: And he said no, he said, we just saw him
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  Speaker 1: as an upgrade. Did tell the media that Basiah was
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  Speaker 1: expected to start to do some throwing and some hitting
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  Speaker 1: and Adleie could be in rehab games this week and
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  Speaker 1: both were not in bad shape or at least you know,
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  Speaker 1: their return is an imminet, but it's not a bigger deal.
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  Speaker 1: So that was good news that came out of Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully we see one or both pretty soon. Adleie, if
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  Speaker 1: he's still around, could be in rehab games coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Tim that would be a bombshell even to me, even
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  Speaker 1: with these rumors of lists, they're listening, they're talking all
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  Speaker 1: these teams need to catch her, so many ALACE teams
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  Speaker 1: need to catch her.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 1: You trade Adli Rutchman within the division, that would be
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  Speaker 1: very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: It would be tough and gosh, I don't know anything.
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  Speaker 4: This is just me reading everything that's out there. I
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  Speaker 4: think one of these guys is gonna get dealt one
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  Speaker 4: of the bigger names, whether it's Adley, whether it's Jackson
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  Speaker 4: Holliday who his name's being brought up, which that would
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  Speaker 4: totally stun me.
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  Speaker 2: For Colden Cowser. It seems like one of these.
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  Speaker 4: Guys from the young core it is going to get
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  Speaker 4: dealt and Adley right now, there's a lot of smoke
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  Speaker 4: there and Steve, I just think it would be a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a gut punch for the fan base and
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  Speaker 4: every because this guy was the face of the rebuild,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he was Michael Isias's first draft pick. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when he got brought up, that's when the Orioles started
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  Speaker 4: winning again. You know, in May twenty twenty two, they
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  Speaker 4: were under five hundred at that point. They ended up
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  Speaker 4: finishing the season above five hundred and twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: winning one hundred games. They went as Adley Rutchman win.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: But I still think if I'm taking what Jeff Passen
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: was reporting is one hundred percent true. You know in
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: his recent Top one hundred saying that there was virtually
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: no chance that the Orioles and Adley Rutchman are going
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: to agree to a contract extension. You got to trade him,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: you know, whether it's now or prior to opening day
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: next year. Obviously you would get more value from him
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: now because you would get two potential playoff runs for
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: the team that's acquiring him.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot to consider.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: A scout told me over the weekend that these teams,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: oftentimes it's math. They put grades on these players, future grades.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: They project these players out two, three, five, sometimes seven
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and eight years what their war might be in twenty
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: thirty two, and they try to look at these matchups
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and match it up and see should we do this
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Now. Obviously that's not exact.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: When you're trying to predict what a player will do
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: four four years from now, you just don't know. But
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: they try to do it, and that's how they add
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: some of this up. And so maybe here's my thought.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: If the Orioles think Adlee Rutchman improved this year, is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: still not all the way to the guy we saw
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: two or three years ago, and remember he had two
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: bad years coming into twenty twenty six, maybe they feel
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: like they're trading him on a high, third time, third
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: time All Star. And again that's if this happens. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going on. I would still stun
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: me to see that come across Twitter or the wire here.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: That's just my feeling.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But maybe Tim they're looking at recent years thinking it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: not Maybe he's not exactly what they thought.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Well between that ste even it's unfortunate and look, and
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: not all of this is Adley's fault, but five il
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: stints since the beginning of last year, and yes, one
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: of them being and he got hit in the head
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: running the first base. That's not that's just bad luck.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: But I think the injury factors have to come into play.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And also, guys, I don't have the numbers in front
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: of me. I know I gave him in a prior
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: show the amount of off days. I think he's only
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: caught three consecutive days twice, two separate occasions this season.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: And look, it's worked. And they came into the season
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: with a plan to kind of baby him a bit
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: and keep him healthy throughout the season or try to,
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: and he still had three il stints and I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that has to factor into the calculus.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Brad, Yeah, I think so for sure.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's just kind of like Steve said, they
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: have a bunch of models that they can run. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I think if it just comes down to the fact
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that where you think you can win a trade by
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: trading him, it's just it's just kind of the math
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: of it all, and that's kind of where baseball's at.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately for you know, Baltimore, it's not unfortunate, but
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: it's just they're not one of the top markets, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: sometimes you lose these guys and you just can't afford
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to lose a player of his caliber for kind of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: sense on the dollar when it's when it's all said
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: and done, When sometimes when you got to move on.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It's a tough.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Decision to make, but if it makes sense for the
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: organization moving forward, you just got to pull the trigger sometimes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: And it's it's upsetting, it's it's frustrating, it's it can
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: be all the stuff mixed in. But at the end
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: of the day, when you're trying to have longevity and
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: having a long time winner, you just got to unfortunately
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: make these moves sometimes. And that's that would be the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: reason why I think they would do it more than
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: anything else in the next couple of days.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: With Adlie Rochman. Keep in mind we're talking about the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: first Elias draft pick, a one to one pick. The
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Oils have had three of those in team history. The
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: face of the rebuild, three time All Star, the guy
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they keep saying how badly they want and how much
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he means to the team, and yet they're open minded
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they say that too. So this is really an interesting
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: time in Birdland. It's quite a quite a drop in
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the in the topics to go to this eighteen year
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: old autfield. But I want to mention one thing on
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: him real quick. The Ools did get Gymnardo Reyes, eighteen
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: year old a ball outfielder from the Twins for Dean Kramer.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: He was ranked twelve by Baseball America on the Twins Prospects,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth by Pipeline, and he settled in at number
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: twenty on the Oriel prospect list. Really good offensive numbers
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: this year. He was one of the best players in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the Florida Complex League. And so he's just getting going.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I mean he's just getting to full season ball now
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: low A and he was off to a slow start
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: for Fort Myers. I think he's going to wind up
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: at Del Marva. And I talked to a scout who's
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: seen him several times this year, really likes him. He said,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the Oriols won this train. He's done a huge Dean
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Kramer fan. Dean's had a rough year, probably going to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: make seven million in arbitration. He thinks the Orioles did
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: well here without even knowing if this kid's ever going
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to make it. A lot of bats feed, a lot
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of pop exit velocities of one ten. He topped out
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: this year like one ten plus at age eighteen. I'll
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: see that often. So there's something to like about this
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: young kid. But it's interesting in a trade like that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: right two guys at very different levels of their careers.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Makes it hard, I think for the fan base to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: kind of get their minds around a deal like that.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially when you take one of their five
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: starters out of the rotation. Now you're kind of hoping
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Chris Bassett comes back healthy and does well, or you
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: have Terrady.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Gibson come back up or k Povich.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: They have options, so there's other guys that might get
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: a shot, but it's definitely when you take one of
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: your five starters that has been here for a while,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and it's kind of like the last link, at least
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the generation of guys I played with.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: He's the last link.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You know, he was in Machidad trade and it's just
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: kind of after that, it's there's there's nobody left from
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: back from my era. So it's kind of one of those,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you know, bittersweet type of things that just happens in
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the game and the game moves on and it's it's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: but it's it's interesting getting rid of one of your
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: five starters, and the starters have been rolling here, so
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: be interesting to see how it plays out. But when
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: you get a talented young eighteen year old, like you said, Steve.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You never know where he's going to go in his
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: career projections, but definitely an interesting trade.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was definitely a pretty surprise, you know, when
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the news broken. Look Dean, and I know he had
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: a rough go of it in his last couple of outings,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: but he was a rock solid pitcher for the Orioles
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: and I think that that should not go without being said.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: You know, you knew what you were getting in him.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: It was an era right around for every single year.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: He had a ton of big time moments, big time
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: games for this club. But you understand the move and Dean,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: he only has one more year of club control, two
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: so you're trying to kind of sell, you know, get
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: maximum value for him. And this is kind of a
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: bit of a lottery ticket for an eighteen year old kid.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: But a lot of people are very high on this kid.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: So yeahfully, you know it is able to bear fruit.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So Dean projected to pitch on Tuesday night for the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Orioles if he had stayed on the team. The team
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: has not announced how they're going to handle that yet.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: There's several ways they could do it. They could also
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: go with a fore man with the off day Monday
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: and the one they just had a couple days ago
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and not need a fifth starter until Saturday.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: If they do that, that opens the door more.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I think because Bassett pitch today at Triple A, he's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: up to sixty seven pitches, so I think they could
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: bring him now you know, he's got eighty pitches next start.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That could be enough for them to bring Bassett back
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: for that next weekend. Or they could bring Povich, or
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they could bring Trey Gibson. I think that also factored
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: in this trade of Dean Kramer. He's not pitching well
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: for one and two. They got guys who can step
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: right in. They're not scrambling to fill that spot right now,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: so we'll see how that plays out and what they
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: do there. Any final thoughts guys before we wrap up
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline Eve Show.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I just had I want to congrat give some congrats
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to gain your canoe sign in the two year extent
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: mentioned of seven point five million over the two years.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So awesome to see.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm biased towards bullpen guys, I know that, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it's great seeing the guy have a bounce back and
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: get to know where he's going to be for a
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: couple years. Anytime you can get stability in the game
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: of baseball, it's an amazing thing. And who knows, he
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: might be one of the best pitchers the next couple
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of years, because when you know you're going to be
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: somewhere for an extended period of time, it puts a
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: little bit of ease on you. His name was being,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of rumored around going somewhere else. So
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: he knows he's staying put. He gets some financial security,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and he's a great He's been a great comeback story.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: He was an awesome story when he first came up,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: went through some struggles, and now just his bounce back here,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's been awesome. And to see them lock
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: more guys up over years, like we've been talking about,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: is a great thing for this organization. So I just
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: want to give a quick shout out to him for that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Definitely well well deserved. Well Before we run though, Brad,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: how was the Chris Davis Hall of Fame induction ceremony?
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Seeing everybody?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it was great. It was you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it was like a homecoming.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: It was getting to see a bunch of guys that
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: we spent so many years with and our families all
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: know each other, our wives all know each other.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So it was just.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: A really cool moment to get to see Chris getting
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. But then it was just
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: awesome to get everybody back together. We all talked all
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: weekend long, how we need to make it happen more,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and it's just great having friends in the game that,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: even though you don't see each other a lot, when
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: you get back together, it's it's just like it's back
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: in old times, and you know, talking about the stories.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You know, we're all getting older now, so it's it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: fun talking about the stories. But we got to watch
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: a game up in cam Yards and the suits, which
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I never got to do, and you just you you
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: forget how great of a ballpark that is, and it
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: just kind of made me think about how bad I
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: want a winner for the city of Baltimore. Just getting
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: to see the way it is on a day and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: day out basis, and being down on the field again
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: after for the first time and however many years, it
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: was just it's awesome the electricity in that ballpark and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: all of us just kind of soaking it all back
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in to kind of celebrate Chris. It was a great time,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: great weekend, and thanks thanks to the Ools for inviting
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: us all back, because that was my first Hall of
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Fame I've ever been to for the Oriols and it
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: was a great experience and hopefully we get some more
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: guys in there. He goes years goes along here.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Highlight of the weekend for me, man seeing you guys
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in person. Was great to see Brad back at the ballpark,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: getting to shake Tommy Hunters and Darren Chris Buck, on
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and on it went.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: That was fantastic.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: The Oils do a great job with that, and as
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a great Hall of Fame class, you're talking about a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: feared slugger who was the Silver Slugger, a pitcher who
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: was on a World Series winner, and a scout who
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: made a lot of that happen to late Jim Russo
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and his son gave a nice speech in his behalf
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: on Saturday Night.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: And Brett Holland or good job Hollander, another.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Great job m seeing that thing for the Orioles and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the ORIL advocates just put on a great show. The
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame was fantastic and people keep asking about
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Buck his day is coming. I guess he mustn't be
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: eligible yet, but he'll be an easy one to get
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in there when his day is up, will be honoring
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Buck and they might blow the doors off that place
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that night, and you guys can all come back for
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Brett, Yeah, that'd be great. Got he sto biggest cheers ever.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Even if fourteen went to the playoffs, he got the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: biggest cheer. So it was great seeing him and he
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: earned it. So it's great to hear him still get
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: those flat cheers.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I told him how much I miss him on MLB
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: network is great coverage, man. I want to see him
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: do more of that, but right now he's doing some
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: other things. All right, guys, let's see what happens here.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: We're under twenty four hours now to the MLB trade deadline.
• 27:24
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