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Mark Playne | A Thousand Words (Part 1 of 3) · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Say in germany where you can't question the holocaust you
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  Speaker 1: know as soon as there's a law to to say
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  Speaker 1: you can't do something then surely that's a sort of
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  Speaker 1: red flag it's.
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  Speaker 2: Hoisted up a big red flag he knew something was
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  Speaker 2: wrong so he switched the generator off basically saved a
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  Speaker 2: life right but what she said was she heard people
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  Speaker 2: walking beside her and the parent bending down to the
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  Speaker 2: children pulling the children back saying don't touch her they
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  Speaker 2: didn't raise the alarm That's the only thing I thought
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  Speaker 2: was big enough. So when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: thank God I'm wrong. It's the pandemic. That's how they're
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  Speaker 2: going to do this. Well, my God, this is absolutely incredible.
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  Speaker 2: There's absolutely nothing I can find about the 29th. If
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  Speaker 2: you were there on the 29th, if you say there
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  Speaker 2: was 14,000 people there, this is the proof you need
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  Speaker 2: to show there's massive, massive censorship happening.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to my home. Thank you very much. It's great
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  Speaker 1: to have you here. I think this might be quite
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  Speaker 1: an interesting conversation because you are certainly not a one-subject man,
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I got that impression. We met at Sounds Beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: You had your store with Not On The Beeb. So
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  Speaker 1: that's what people might know the name, Not On The Beeb.
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  Speaker 1: And you've been to festivals over the last few years,
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  Speaker 1: haven't you? I've always seen your store. We hadn't chatted
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  Speaker 1: until this last one.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And instantly I thought, oh, I'd love to have a
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  Speaker 1: proper chinwag sit down and do a painting. So give
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  Speaker 1: people at home just a summary of what your focus is,
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  Speaker 1: what motivates you, where you're at at the moment, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: what brought you to this position, and then we'll start
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  Speaker 1: diving into some of the specifics.
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  Speaker 2: Well, a very fast track was 10 years ago. I
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  Speaker 2: got the phone call that... everyone dreads with my mother
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  Speaker 2: saying she had the big kind of big C word.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So with that, I dived in like, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just dived into deep research and it was like the
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  Speaker 2: classic of waking up. I'd literally wake up asleep at
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  Speaker 2: kind of three o'clock in the morning with my head
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  Speaker 2: on the keyboard.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I started, you know, and when you, when something
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  Speaker 2: like that happens, you, something else comes out of you,
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  Speaker 2: you find a little superhuman in terms of the amount
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  Speaker 2: of things I was reading, going for everything. And I
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  Speaker 2: was on this fast track, learning uh and to fast
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  Speaker 2: forward the story we ended up going to mexico with
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  Speaker 2: some of the best cancer doctors in the world that's
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  Speaker 2: where they were either there or germany that's the two
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  Speaker 2: areas and i learned so much so much with the
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  Speaker 2: whole experience my mum did die she was very she
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  Speaker 2: was very advanced at the time we went there so
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  Speaker 2: it was all too late but learning was incredible and
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  Speaker 2: when she did die you don't stop researching because the
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  Speaker 2: next question is oh if i'd known this would So
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  Speaker 2: you keep researching, kind of trying to find out what
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know. And then, of course, you hit kind
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  Speaker 2: of replacement, which is kind of other people's mothers or
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  Speaker 2: other people getting sick. And you kind of want to
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  Speaker 2: help them not go through what you've gone through. So
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  Speaker 2: the drive to keep your head down, reading, investigating goes
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  Speaker 2: for the roof. So I became quite knowledgeable within the
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  Speaker 2: kind of field of research. cancer and what's really going
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  Speaker 2: on kind of the cancer rabbit.
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  Speaker 1: Hole can i just ask why at that point did
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  Speaker 1: you not go with conventional what was it about you
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  Speaker 1: that knew that there was another option because that's quite
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  Speaker 1: a big um a lot of people don't even get
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  Speaker 1: to that point what kind of we.
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  Speaker 2: Did go through the conventional in terms of going through
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  Speaker 2: the doctor's but knew they were coming up with rubbish
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  Speaker 2: quite quickly. And I'm probably from a background of quite
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  Speaker 2: alternative health and with a family like that. So one
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  Speaker 2: of the other things that leads to later, one of
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  Speaker 2: the things I'm fascinated with is I'd always been told
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  Speaker 2: since I was very young that my great-grandfather's parents were
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  Speaker 2: personal friends of Rudolf Steiner. So I'd always been told that.
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  Speaker 2: And as a kid, it goes in one ear, out
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  Speaker 2: the other. And it's only... Kind of like maybe about two,
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  Speaker 2: three years ago when I realised all my work was
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  Speaker 2: diverging and I'm like with Rudolf Steiner and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: hang on, hang on. This is interesting. Okay. Have I
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  Speaker 2: inherited something? Right. Am I just a reincarnated the same thought?
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, and then I started thinking like, did
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  Speaker 2: they just know Rudolf Steiner or were they friends? But
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  Speaker 2: then if the story was passed down, if they just
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  Speaker 2: knew each other, the story wouldn't pass down to get
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  Speaker 2: to four generations, right? Uh-huh. So I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: this a lot and I thought if it's been passed down,
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  Speaker 2: there must have been a real connection there. And to
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  Speaker 2: be really good friends with somebody, as we found out
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  Speaker 2: within the freedom movement, we know how important it is
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  Speaker 2: to be aligned in thought with people because we've all
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  Speaker 2: found ourselves a bit segmented with our lot, the people
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  Speaker 2: who think kind of in our framework and how important
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  Speaker 2: that is. So looking back then, I was thinking, well,
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  Speaker 2: my great-grandparents must have been thinking along exactly the same lines.
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  Speaker 2: And if they were good friends... then they probably had
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  Speaker 2: a matched up thoughts and it must've been something very
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  Speaker 2: equal there. So I've been absolutely fascinated by that.
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  Speaker 1: So. Did you discover how, did you ever dive into
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  Speaker 1: the history and work out what the relationship was?
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  Speaker 2: Only very superficially. Yeah. Only very superficially.
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  Speaker 1: And you'd studied Steiner before that, had you? You knew
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  Speaker 1: Steiner's work sort of from you?
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  Speaker 2: I nearly went to a Steiner school. Yeah. Nearly. Nearly.
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  Speaker 2: But we pulled out at last minute. So it was
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  Speaker 2: always there. And I was very aware of the Steiner
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  Speaker 2: School because I was at an all boys grammar school.
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  Speaker 2: And there was all boys grammar school and the all
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  Speaker 2: boys girls school. Sorry, the all girls school next door
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  Speaker 2: to the grammar school. All girls, all boys. And as
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  Speaker 2: we were teenagers, awkward teenagers, as boys stuck in all
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  Speaker 2: boys school, all we could wait for was to kind
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  Speaker 2: of meet the girls from the girls school down the
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  Speaker 2: cafe after work. And, you know, we'd sit there, get
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  Speaker 2: all nervous and see the girls sitting at the table
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  Speaker 2: and kind of, Maybe if I could get a cup
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  Speaker 2: of tea and if I sit there, I could get
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  Speaker 2: close to the girls. And then these Steiner kids would
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  Speaker 2: kind of walk in. It was just like Mick Jagger
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  Speaker 2: had walked into the room and all the girls were
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  Speaker 2: turned around. All the grammar school girls had tongues to
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  Speaker 2: hang out, kind of Mr. Steiner boy, because they were
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  Speaker 2: so cool. And they radiated it because, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: standard of full confidence. And of course, they're magnets towards
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  Speaker 2: the girls. So now I was the one who was
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  Speaker 2: at the all-boys school, the nerdy in the corner, kind of.
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  Speaker 2: nervous ago, so though I avoided, I missed sadly the
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  Speaker 2: Steiner education. Yeah. But then I got the kind of deep,
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  Speaker 2: I did the science education, which is probably kind of
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  Speaker 2: what led me to where I am now. So going
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  Speaker 2: back to that original question, I dived into the world
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  Speaker 2: of cancer. Uh, but then when you tried to kind
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  Speaker 2: of help people explain things, people would often kind of say, well,
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  Speaker 2: people are just old and they die, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People get cancer and they die and they weren't listening.
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  Speaker 2: So I, as I was doing the deep dive, I
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  Speaker 2: started to realize, oh, there's something off with vaccines as well.
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  Speaker 2: So the cancer story and the vaccine story is very,
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  Speaker 2: very similar as in they're complete and utter kind of
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  Speaker 2: fabrications to sell something. Because cancer is not fabrication, it's true,
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  Speaker 2: but it's, you know, we're stuck, you know, when you
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  Speaker 2: see there's a law that it's illegal to ever say
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  Speaker 2: anything cures cancer. That kind of tells you everything. How
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  Speaker 2: can that be put into a law that's illegal to
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  Speaker 2: say something cures cancer other than chemo radiation? That's kind
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  Speaker 2: of all you really need to know. There's something really
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  Speaker 2: going on that's really wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same with, you know, say in Germany
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  Speaker 1: where you can't question the Holocaust. You know, as soon
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  Speaker 1: as there's a law to say you can't do something,
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  Speaker 1: then surely that's a sort of red flag.
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  Speaker 2: It's hoisted up a big red flag, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: basically the way we should look at things like that
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  Speaker 2: is look deeper.
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  Speaker 1: You should always question the most what you're not allowed
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  Speaker 1: to question.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean it's true. I'm not saying that one
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  Speaker 1: conclusion is right or wrong, but we should definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Use that as a … I think it's a really
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  Speaker 2: good barometer. Yeah. I think, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so … Remark it. Okay, so yeah, cancer … Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of, I then thought I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: leave the cancer alone because everyone keeps thinking people are
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  Speaker 2: old and should die. And it's a bit of a,
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  Speaker 2: it's a hard argument to fight with because people do
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  Speaker 2: get old and they do die. That's kind of what happens.
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  Speaker 2: It's just whether they die early. So I thought I'll
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  Speaker 2: jump my research into vaccines because it involves children and
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  Speaker 2: because it's children, people will listen more. And of course
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  Speaker 2: that's not the case whatsoever. It's just, you know, as
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  Speaker 2: we now know, it's more of a hypnosis is the programming,
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  Speaker 2: everything else. I was, I'd done quite a deep dive
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  Speaker 2: into the vaccines when the pandemic hit. So when the
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  Speaker 2: pandemic hit, I was in quite a good place to
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  Speaker 2: see that we were basically being hedged into forcing us
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  Speaker 2: to have a vaccine. And I already had the background
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  Speaker 2: on the vaccine. So I was in that position. And
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  Speaker 2: in a way, I've said it to everyone else since.
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  Speaker 2: It's like being at a bus stop and being taller
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  Speaker 2: with a load of short kids. And they're being like
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  Speaker 2: one of those roads just with a little dip in
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  Speaker 2: it that could hide a lorry. I'm tall enough to
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  Speaker 2: look down the road and see there's a lorry barreling
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  Speaker 2: down the road. The little kids around me are too short.
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  Speaker 2: They can't see the lorry coming and they just want
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  Speaker 2: to cross the road. And you just scream as loud
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  Speaker 2: as you can for the kids not to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And even if they shout back at you, kick up
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  Speaker 2: a fuss or whatever, if you know the lorry's coming,
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  Speaker 2: you just scream as loud as you can because that's
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  Speaker 2: what you have to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you don't mind making a fool of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in that moment, it's a black and white choice.
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  Speaker 1: But no, the reason I say that is because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, they do, you know, social pressure, peer
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  Speaker 1: pressure does actually stop them from making a fool of
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  Speaker 1: themselves because they're afraid of what people are going to say.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of people out there who
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  Speaker 1: are still self-censoring.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just on that level alone, I was just remembering
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  Speaker 2: a girlfriend I had coming here towards Brighton who used
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  Speaker 2: to live quite close. Yeah. And there was a point
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  Speaker 2: where she got very, very badly electrocuted when we were
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  Speaker 2: in Portugal. And she was stuck with a hand, the classic,
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  Speaker 2: a hand gripped around the wires electrocuting her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And it was only, it was attached to a generator
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  Speaker 2: and our friend heard, luckily heard the generator dig in
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  Speaker 2: and go, as all the power was surging through her.
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  Speaker 2: And he was enough of an engine head that he
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  Speaker 2: knew something was wrong. So he switched the generator off,
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  Speaker 2: basically saved a life. But what she said was she
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  Speaker 2: heard people walking beside her and the parent bending down
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  Speaker 2: to the children, pulling the children back saying, don't touch her.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't raise the alarm, but they knew to pull
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  Speaker 2: their children back and say, don't go close. but no
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  Speaker 2: one screamed or shouted to say, she's getting electrocuted. Help, help.
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  Speaker 2: What do we do? It was just that soft withdrawal.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what you're saying. People very much don't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: scream when they see a problem. They go quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is one of the key problems. But we'll
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  Speaker 1: get into that. We'll get into the psychology of where
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  Speaker 1: we're at. Why we're at where we're at. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: that was your kind of wake up. journey i suppose
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  Speaker 1: primarily um you start looking into alternative so then you
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of people one thing can then trigger
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  Speaker 1: a sort of domino effect on it so did you
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  Speaker 1: then uh start looking at the big picture politics or
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  Speaker 1: is that something that you'd already.
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  Speaker 2: I'd already gone down there so i probably realized the
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  Speaker 2: finance one around 2011 because after the last financial crash
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  Speaker 2: i got caught up in that And I was just,
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  Speaker 2: what happened there? So I did a deep dive in.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of knew all about the fiat currencies and, well,
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  Speaker 2: the depth of the damage we're in. So I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you what, we can jump into predictions here because that
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  Speaker 2: was probably one of the first predictions I made. So
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  Speaker 2: when I, in about 2011, maybe just going into 12,
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  Speaker 2: I realised the state of the world economies and the
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  Speaker 2: amount of debt and the amount of trouble our Western
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  Speaker 2: governments are in with that debt. Just looking at it,
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  Speaker 2: I said, there's only one way out of it. There's
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  Speaker 2: only two ways out. When you tell the truth and
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  Speaker 2: own up, that basically you've been defrauding everybody with this
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  Speaker 2: kind of financial scam or you come out of a trick.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought they can't do the first one because
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be lynched. So they're going to come
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  Speaker 2: out of a trick. And when I thought of the
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  Speaker 2: trick they'd have to come up with, so it's like
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  Speaker 2: a magician. They've got to do a diversionary trick. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a magician who's got to wave the handkerchief. So
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  Speaker 2: what handkerchief, I was thinking, is big enough to distract
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  Speaker 2: people while the hand comes in. to do the switch
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  Speaker 2: and turn over the currencies. And what I said then
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  Speaker 2: was the only thing I could imagine was a nuclear
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  Speaker 2: war of Iran. That's the only thing I thought was
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  Speaker 2: big enough. So when the pandemic happened, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: thank God I'm wrong. Like it's the pandemic. That's how,
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  Speaker 2: that's how they're going to do this. This is the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: They've imagined a virus, putting everybody out. And this is
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  Speaker 2: how they're going to, this is the handkerchief. And then
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  Speaker 2: they're going to bring in this alternative. Well, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to collapse the currency system. Yeah. And of course I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about, they were going to try digital currency,
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  Speaker 2: but of course, at that point I did research into
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  Speaker 2: the blockchain and realize how well, pretty amazing, totally amazing
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  Speaker 2: it is. And what an amazing solution. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: you receive. So are you quite optimistic about blockchain technology?
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  Speaker 2: If it was used properly. But I got into it
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  Speaker 2: deeply and I was very, very impressed with all the
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  Speaker 2: elements of it. But when everyone's had all their wealth
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: put into or holding some wealth in, crypto how do
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  Speaker 2: you exchange it with people and that's what's that was
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  Speaker 2: what's always been missing it's coming it's coming in now
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  Speaker 2: but only because they've found a way they're letting in
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  Speaker 2: there's a way of stepping out from the alternative world
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  Speaker 2: into the banking world so it's being measured now so
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  Speaker 2: yeah you can bring it out with usdd but it's
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  Speaker 2: like it's all right a way of capturing it marketing
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  Speaker 2: mark measuring The crypto.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sort of a bit of a lay person with crypto.
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  Speaker 1: I've always avoided crypto. Vicky got into crypto a bit
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  Speaker 1: and I was a little sceptical because I just thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: gold and silver seems safe-ish. Safer a bit. So, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, gold and silver are, without a doubt, the fundamental.
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  Speaker 2: And that was always my argument at the time in
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  Speaker 2: my crypto friends was, you know, silver and gold are
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  Speaker 2: always going to work.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If you pull the plug, you've lost the crypto. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't have electricity.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know.
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  Speaker 1: And for it to work in a truly open way,
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  Speaker 1: you need some agency within the technology, don't you? So
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  Speaker 1: there needs to be, you know, if we've got a
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  Speaker 1: banking system based on technology and that technology is all
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: in the hands of multinationals. Exactly. Even if the technology
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  Speaker 1: is great in theory. So what's your take on that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's a possibility that we could actually
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  Speaker 1: evolve a system where the power is out of the
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  Speaker 1: hands of of the elite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i think so i think i think yeah and
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  Speaker 2: i think people are now working on it there's people
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  Speaker 2: i have i've kind of left that world especially since
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: you know i've been very much in the medical world
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: but people right now they're invent is because the same
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: thing happens within communications and people are now inventing new
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: ways to communicate escaping the uh the main networks so
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: kind of radios pass on sms's so you might remember
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the blackberry phones. Yeah. So they were amazing. There was
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: a time when people for the iPhone, where people called
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: what they called, what the crack Blackberry heads or something black.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: There was a nickname to do. I don't know. Crack,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: like crack, something like that. Kind of people, people are
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: addicted to their Blackberry phones. Okay. But the technology then
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: was you could send a message from a Blackberry phone
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to another Blackberry phone, but it wouldn't go through a server.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: So it'd be private.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: This is just, just theoretically what people, a lot of
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: people don't really even have a concept of, isn't it?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That is fundamentally how the internet should be.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Peer to peer, shouldn't it?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Peer to peer.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: There's absolutely no need for it to go through a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: central hub. From my understanding, I don't, you know, I'm
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: not an expert at all.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: No, exactly.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: But, um, yes, in fact, someone just posted on the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: local group, someone who's not in the weight group, um,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: just the local Facebook group about something called mesh. Have
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you heard of it? It's like, um, what's it called?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Something mesh. And you just have a radio transmitter dotted
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: around and you can just communicate without any central hub.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And if you've got enough of them, you
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: can link in to other people and then the rest
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of the network just forwards the message on. So this
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: is being invented. That was my answer when you said
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: about the finances. So that can be done with communication
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and we should be able to do that with a payment. Yes.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: If that alternate has been set up. So just going
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: back to the BlackBerry one, The BlackBerry company disappeared, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I believe it's just totally because of that peer-to-peer ability.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: So because they couldn't tap into it, they had to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: get rid of the company. So the whole thing was
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: taken down because they should be a market leader still now. Yeah.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: So the question is, though, it begs the question, if
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they shut it down then, what's going to change? What
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: do we do differently to get this stuff to break that,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that hold.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It's a volume. I think everything comes down to the
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: volume of people waking up. Cause you just mentioned that
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: kind of situation with the radio, right? It just needs
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: enough people who realize what's going on to put up
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a radio antenna above their house. And then you've got
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the network for it. And you probably only need, I
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: don't know, one in 10,000 people, one in a thousand
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: people to get it going. But until you have enough people,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: you don't have a network or it's very localized. Yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So it's just, I think it's just a numbers game.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And in terms of waking up, for me, everything comes
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: down to a tipping point of how many people do
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: we need to be awake? And that's what causes the change.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Do you use that word awake? Do you still use it?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: No, but, well, yes, I do. I just did. But it's,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I know what you mean. And it's, I've never really quite,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: understood what it meant. I've always, I wasn't taking the place.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I just, I just meant the word because.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I know you, I know you, you're much more nuanced
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: than that, but it is tricky, isn't it? To pinpoint
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: actually what we mean. And, you know, if we're talking
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: about numbers, numbers of what exactly numbers of people awake
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to a certain thing or awake on a kind of
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: consciousness level, there's a whole load.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: There's a whole different ways of gauging gauging it. Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But it's still a word we need to use because
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: we haven't got a better word right now.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's why I still occasionally use it, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: because it is the best we've got in a way.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We need some kind of shorthand to denote the difference
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: between someone who's... not aware, or at least ignoring the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: fact that there is clearly an agenda deception. It's the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: extent of deception, isn't it? You know, your average person
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: will say, yeah, politicians lie.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're all happy with that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't? I mean, have you ever met anyone who
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, no, politicians don't lie?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: They know it and accept it. And all businesses need
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to make money and they'll make really dodgy choices to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: make money. So they're all happy with that. Oh, yeah, well,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical companies, well, they kind of would kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: lie if they could make more money. Yeah. But then
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: the next step is, would they harm you? And a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: lot of them won't take that next step.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: So that's their cutoff point.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: That's the difference, isn't it? I guess, yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: They're happy with greed.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The extent, yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: They're happy with lying politicians.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that comes down to, in a way,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that people judge the world based on their own perception
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: or their own experience, don't they? I mean, they have to,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in a way. There isn't really any other way that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you can, unless you're actively engaged in kind of map-making
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and model-making, you know, like trying to understand the other.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: If you're just going along as a normal person living
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: your life, you generally just think everyone else is– Not
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that different from yourself.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Because we've got to agree on everything. So it's like
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: being with someone who's colourblind. We need to say that's green. Yeah. Okay.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And we all agree it's green. Yeah. And even if
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: you know that person actually thinks it's blue, but they
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: called it green, then we all communicate, we talk and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: we all kind of bounce along. Which goes back to
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that beginning thing, you know, the pinpoint in my journey,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and it's not where I woke up, but it's where
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of became full time. Well, when I became
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: really active was the trauma of realising my mum died.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: was right terminally ill yeah and most many many people
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: have got the same kind of story trauma is a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: causes people to look at the world differently to to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: re-evaluate their perceptions.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I think it always has to be trauma yeah I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: really don't think you can have a it's either a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: slow trauma a slow.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Gentle trauma slow which is awfully painful we all know
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: with a plaster rip it off you know get it
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: off quick Yeah. So sharp and it's good. And, you know, yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And it's like, cause that, I mean, talking about awakening,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the awakening is, is a good thing to talk about.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And there's a good point to think about because many
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: people within the movement kind of woke up around nine 11. Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So that was a traumatic event that traumatized the world.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And then for the people who then realize it wasn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: what it was said to be is quite daunting and traumatic. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, my dad, for example, he's kind of open
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in a way. We'll talk about how Vicky and I'll
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: talk to him and say how we see the world
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and he'll listen. He said, I'm not going to look
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: into it too much because if I did, I'd just
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: be too angry.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But that's admitting it to you very, very clearly.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably quite common. It's not necessarily that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: people are in denial. They just haven't got the context
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to deal with it. They haven't been given the tools
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to deal with it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: The escape route or the alternative. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Because you have to have some kind of grounding in
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: something better. Exactly. If you're only given a negative story,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you're going to reject it unless you've got some things better.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And if you're, you know, if you haven't, you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: we've lost religion, we've lost, you know, so a lot
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of people, especially that sort of generation who were brought up,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you know, in conventional society, don't really have a.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Ground.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: They don't really have a spiritual context or anything. They
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: don't have a concept even of their soul. So if
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: all they're given is, well, this physical reality is fucked,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: then what do I have left?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: But you've hit it. You've nailed it on the head.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And this spirals into so many other things we can
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: talk about because that's how they got the people to
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: take the vaccine also because those people all took it Well,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the one easy one to concentrate on is if you
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: look at the world of rock and rollers, you'd think
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: they were the rebels, but they're non-Christians, nearly all of them.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So they had no other option, nowhere to go. So
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: when this massive fear came out with this story of
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a virus and death and everything else, the doctor was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the only saviour. So their religion became modern medicine, became
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that lie of medicine. And a lot of the people
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: who took a different, stand had either a strong spiritual
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: belief or a strong religious belief. And as we know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: many people then, I mean, Christianity amongst the freedom movement
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: is rocketed, right? So many, because people needed that belief.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: They needed something. And of course, you know, that's probably,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you know, when looking back, that's, if we had to analyze,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that's one of the things we maybe didn't do strong
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: enough during the early days is was when we were
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: pointing out how dangerous the vaccine was, we weren't pointing
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: out enough or heavily enough about the alternatives because there
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't enough of an escape route for people to go
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: into alternatives. And also, we were also confused to what
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: was causing the illness. So that's where my work is now.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm still working on is trying to define
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the causes because without understanding the causes, there can be
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: no solutions. Yeah. So I'm still fighting... That one.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Well, should we talk about AI and I then? Because
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that leads on to that, doesn't it? Or not yet?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Do you want to carry on a bit more with
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: your story?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's carry on a bit more story because we
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: chose a special day for the interview.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: You've chosen a special day for the interview? Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: 24th? Because today's the 24th of July. Yeah. So in 2020,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: so it's 24th of July. I was just trying to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: keep my life together. and keep my work together as
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: this pandemic, as we were in lockdown and everything else.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And kind of do all the research and try to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: get information out. This is before setting up Not On
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: The Beeb. But one of the things that really bothered
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: me was when they shut the British pubs. Because this
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: was the centre of British culture and this was an
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: important part of my life, you know, with pubs. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that's the whole social aspect. And when they reopened the pubs,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: on the 4th of July, I just had red flags
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: pop up in my head immediately. It's like, what are
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you doing? British culture, the heart of British culture, which
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: is the pub and has been forever, reopening the pubs
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: on the 4th of July, which is Independence Day, which
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: is the day America, Britain lost to the new colonists.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: This is, what are you doing? And also it was
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: on a Saturday, so on the 4th of July, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's something really, really wrong here. Because also,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: if you're going to open the pubs, why wouldn't you
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: open it? Could we go to pubs at weekends? Why
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: would you not open it on a Friday? So on
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: social media, I was putting this out a lot, going,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: what's going on? This is weird. Why on the 4th
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: of July, there's playing with us. I feel I'm being
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: toyed with. You're waving the American flag on a day
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: that is really British because it's the pub. And why
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: would you mix these two? And then these publicans and people,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: bar people, started kind of writing back to me on
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: social media, going, no, you're right, Mark. but you're wrong
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: on one thing. Cause you wouldn't open on Friday. You'd
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: actually want to open on the Monday after being closed
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: for that long. And I was like, why? They says, well,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: if you're going to open a pub office being closed
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: for that long, you need to clean all the lines.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So you need a few days to get the pub
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: clean out, flush out all the lines, get beer flowing through.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And then you'd open on the Friday or the Saturday.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, there's something really strange. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: just a few days later, I'm not sure what day
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it was precisely. They, you know, Boris Johnson did this
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: massive announcement. They said, oh, by the way, uh, you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: all going to be wearing masks. We're going to bring
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: in a mask law. And then he said, but we're
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: going to give you a few weeks to get ready
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: for this so we don't bring it in too suddenly.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, A few weeks to get
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: ready to put on a mask when you just shut
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: down the country in three days. It just caused absolute chaos,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: destroyed our economy, destroyed everyone's lives, jobs and everything else.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But you're going to give us a few weeks to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: get ready for this law coming in to put masks on.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, there's something really weird going on.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And of course the date was the 24th of July
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: that they brought in the mask law. And I was
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: looking and going, I was just like, 24th of July,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: 24th of July. And then I was like, 24th of July. 24-7. 24-7.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: They're telling us, right? They're playing with us. We're bringing
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the mask, Lord, 24-7, as in you're going to be
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: weighing them around the clock. So then I started looking
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: back at the 4th of July, going, okay, what's going
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: on with the 4th of July? And then looked into it,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and of course it's a key astrological date. I think
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: it's the 9th conjunct of Sirius or something. So when
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you look into it, you realise that the 4th of
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: July was a chosen date for from the Masons and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: they chose it through astrology like 300 years ago. And anyway,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I was connecting that and then starting to look and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: wonder what else they're up to. And then I'd been
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: out at, there's a guy off Ancient Aliens actually, a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: guy called Hugh who did Ancient Aliens. He's a friend
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of mine. I went out to the pyramids with him
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and some other people. And he wrote back to me
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and go, hey Mark, you might be onto something because
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: when they announced lockdown, it was done on the spring equinox.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what does that mean? And he goes, well,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: traditionally you always, if you wanted to create great change,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you bring in whatever you wanted on the spring equinox.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So you've got three days of the equinox and that's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: your kind of time of intention. And that's how you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: create great change. And I was like, wow. So when
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: he looked into it, it's like, that's too much of
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: a coincidence. And then you've got the spring equinox or
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: when they actually brought in lockdown, it was done over
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the three days. Then you've got, opening the pubs on
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the 4th of July. You're bringing masks on the 24-7.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And I was like, there's something going on. Anyway, fast
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: track forward, it got to the point where I could
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: predict lockdowns. So the one I got quite famous for
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: on social media, that's kind of one of the things
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that built things up, is I predicted the lockdown that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: was going to come in on Hallow's Eve. So my
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: famous post before was, I think they're going to announce
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: lockdown on Hallow's Eve, which was the, I think it
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was the 31st. October or 31st of October. And I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: said in this post, I said, the only question is
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: what are they going to do with the 5th of November?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Because that's another date that's so famous, right? And if
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: they're playing around with the 4th of July and they're
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: playing around with 24-7 in the spring equinox, I'm suspicious
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: about the 5th of November. So this, the next thing
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: that happened is it kind of came out and Boris
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Johnson was going to do a public announcement for the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: winter lockdown on a Saturday. Now, what prime minister ever,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in our memory, has ever done a public announcement on
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: a Saturday? And not only was it on a Saturday,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it was at four o'clock on a Saturday. And I
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was just like, flags, flags popping up. There's something going
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: on here. And again, someone who was kind of following
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: me on social media wrote back and said, Mark, have
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a look at when the full moon is, like a nudge,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: nudge hint. Checked out when the full moon was above London,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: precisely four o'clock in the afternoon on that Saturday. So
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that was the time that Boris Johnson was going to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: announce the Something. We didn't know what it was. Anyway,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that announcement got delayed by an hour and then delayed
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: by another hour and then delayed by another hour. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he ended up doing about seven o'clock. So basically waited
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: for everyone to get home from shopping on a Saturday
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to sit in front of the TVs to hear the announcement.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And he announced the next lockdown, the winter lockdown. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: when did he announce it to start? The 5th of November. Exactly.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So it was like a double bullseye.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Okay. So have you looked into... the power of these
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: dates and why they use them. And is that something,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: or is it enough for you just to know that
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: they do use them?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Enough to know they do use them. So I haven't
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: gone massively deep into why they're using them, but just
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: knowing they did. So by knowing that on the next year,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: then I was like, right, we can play this. All
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I knew is if they think it works, then we
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: can play the same game back. So one, by exposing them,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: it will, for using this kind of witchcraft or black
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: magic or intention. If we expose it, it's going to
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: weaken them. But also if they believe in it, then
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: if we do the same, we've got a counter force.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So I put in massive- What do you mean if
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: we do the same?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So I, for 21, through NotOnAB, I spread an intention
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: for us on the Equinox to do mass intention of
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: changing all the tyranny and everything else. And there was
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: a March put out on that date. So I think
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the March was on the 20th of March, 21. It
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was a brilliant March. And everything felt like it changed
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: on this March. It was the first major March where
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: there was a change. It was a very famous one
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: with all the bus drivers.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And the daffodils. Remember the yellow daffodils? And everything, the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: footage went really quite big from there. There was a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: bus driver who was shaking hands with everybody who went by.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah. And then he apparently lost his
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: job and everything, but it was a real change of energy.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: So that was the first protest where we were cheered
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: on by passerbys. Whereas before we'd been silenced or booed
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: or hissed or anything, but suddenly the cars started beeping.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Suddenly people were beeping. Suddenly people were waving like, yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: protest for us. So it was a massive change. So
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that was the Equinox. So that was the time, the
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: timing that matched what they were trying. So it was their,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: call it black magic kind of thing. There's the people
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: coming out and protesting with immense energy coming back. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: if these things work with numbers and intention, we had
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of people in that protest. Maybe, I don't know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: close to 100,000. How many do you think?
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It was always hard to tell, wasn't it? The numbers
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: were all over the place. You know, Mayday was saying 3,000
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and then our lot was saying like a million.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: So it went from 300 to a million. So this
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: goes on to one of the things we'll talk about
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: later is kind of the accuracy and importance of accuracy.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: And it can sound so pedantic and boring and middle
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: of the road to say this, but I think it's important.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I do. Okay. So the first major protest we had
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: in London at Trafalgar Square, which was the first on
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the 29th of August, 2020, the basic claim was of 30,000
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: people there because we filled the square. But the reason
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: everyone claimed 30,000 is if you looked up and read,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: which I did at the time, how many people can
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you get in Trafalgar Square? It said 30,000. That's right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. But I remember some people who played
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: in bands who went on stage and are used to
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: being on stage looking out at audiences. Yeah. And they're
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: great at knowing numbers because people pay tickets to come. Oh, yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you do become. They said about 15,000, 14,000, 15,000. So
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I think there was 14,000, 15,000 of us. That's the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: real number. Not the 30,000. But also, but the BBC,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: when you say, the BBC is zero on that day.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And still now with the book, I've used AI to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: go through and still find the archives. And the BBC,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: they haven't even put anything back in. That protest is
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: still invisible from the BBC archive.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: So the AI, we'll come back and say AI properly later,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: but the AI itself was like, well, my God, this
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: is absolutely incredible. There's absolutely nothing I can find about
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the 29th. And if you were there on the 29th,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: if you say there was 14,000 people there, this is
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the proof you need to show there's massive, massive censorship
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: by the BBC. You've caught them just for this. And
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: then I got the AIs to do further deep searches
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and it came up quite funnily and said, The only
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: way I've managed to even prove a protest in 21
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: was by checking a fact check. And AI's quote was, factcheck.org
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: inadvertently proved there'd been a protest because they referred to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: a previous one that'd been censored, but under fact checking
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and denying another protest.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: So it was like an accident. Even AI spotted it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: They didn't mean to prove it, but by mentioning it,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: they've proved it. Uh-huh. but that was the only proof
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: it could find going right through to about kind of May, 2020, 21. Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So there's numbers. So the, the big, the ones in
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the street when people claimed a million, some people say
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: 3 million and things, it's, it was huge. So we
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: came down Oxford street and we had Oxford street from
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: shop to shop with everyone walking down a huge amount
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of people, but a friend of mine and, We put
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a camera on one of the bollards on slow motion
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and just doing very simple maths. If you counted how
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: many people walked by and multiplied it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember who, I don't know, was
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it you? I remember someone doing, I'm posting that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So it kind of came out,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you know, 80, 100, maximum 130,000. Yeah. But it was huge. Yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And it was huge. And we filled the whole of
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Oxford Street from, Oxford Circus back up to Hyde Park.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Shop to shop either side. So it's a huge volume
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: of people. Just not a million or two million, which
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: is what we got on the Iraq march back in 2002.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: That was a big march. And we knew the size
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of that march because quite famously, there was the beginning
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of the march and then the end of the march.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And by the time the march had got to the end,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: many people hadn't even left, hadn't even started beginning. It
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was that big. That was a really huge number. Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: A lot of people are quite cynical about the marches.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You get mixed feelings, don't you, amongst the crowd of truthers.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Some of them say it's all meaningless. We shouldn't be protesting.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It's a supplication. It's just a facade. It's not really powerful.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And then you get other people who say, even if
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: that is the case, I was there. And the emotion
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and the power of it was just being there and connecting. Huge.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I tend to be with the latter. I agree with you.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Massively. They're really important. And if they weren't important,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be denied on the BBC. So, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the footage that I shot on the 29th, the first
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: big one on 29th of August, the high wire took up.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: my Facebook feed and put it out on their show.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And we ended up with about 1.3, 1.4 million views
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: by the end of it. But there was a thirst
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: for that because in America, they hadn't even seen anybody protesting.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: No one had protested at that point. So we were
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: kind of ahead of the game in Europe. There was
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: one on the same day in Berlin. It was much
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: bigger than the London one. That was huge on the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: 31st of August. Some people say it was genuinely a
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: million people. It's absolutely huge. So it's really, really important.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Same with petitions. People say petitions aren't of any use,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: but of course they are.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Well, yeah, tell me, because I tend, I
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: just sort of came to the conclusion that I didn't
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: think they were, and I tend to ignore them, to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: be honest. But I'm happy to, you know, if you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: were to tell me, no, they've actually got, I would,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I definitely reconsider.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the same, same as what you said. So
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: when you went on that March, you just said I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: was there. The atmosphere was amazing. And you had that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: connection with everybody. So the thing, this thing I got
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: from the first one, which 29th of August was for me,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the relief to be with 14,000, 30,000 people didn't make
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: any difference. of people with big smiles on their faces,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: no one wearing a mask, who just came up and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: didn't know me and were giving great big hugs. We're
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: all looking at each other and we're hugging each other
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: because we were not afraid in the middle of that
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: tyranny of lockdown. It was absolutely huge. And, you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I'd lost like all my kind of social media friends
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: with my standing up against everything. But then suddenly my
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: social media got flooded with all this new community of
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: people who thought the same. So us grouping together and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that kind of comradeship, I'm realizing so many people thought
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the same thing. It's absolutely huge. It's ridiculously powerful. That's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: why they didn't want us to meet in the pubs. Yeah.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Because they knew if we meet, if we got together
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: meeting in pubs, the word was spread like a virus.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: And that would be a genuine contagion would be that
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: kind of resistance. And they were terrified of that. So
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: marching is incredibly important. And when we marched in the beginning,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: like I just referred to a bit before, you'd get
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: this kind of astonishment on people's faces. Like, what are
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you against? You know, we're in a, we're in a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: pandemic and there's a lockdown and because that's the only
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: way to treat a pandemic, right? That's the only thing
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: you can do. But when they saw people protesting, it's like, well,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you think you're either crazy or they can ask questions.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: In my experience, people tend to start asking questions like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: so what's your version? Oh, there's no, what do you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: mean there's no virus? What do you mean there's none
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: of this? But you know, when you plant a seed,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: we all know that if a seed is, Doesn't need
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to spread, won't spread immediately anyway. It can take a
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: long time. So yeah, really important. It's the same. So
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: the petition is the same thing. So people see the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: cause of the petition as in, well, if the petition
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: didn't change the government's mind and it didn't go to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the house of Lords and it didn't go blah, blah, blah.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And it didn't create this major change and it's useless.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: But now for me, from my point of view, everybody's
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: signing the petition, seeing another hundred thousand, another 200,000 people
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: signed that petition. is then people thinking, well, I'm not
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: alone in my madness and I can speak up. I'm
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: signing the petition and it's like, and then if another 200,000
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: people think the same as me, I'm going to speak
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to my friend about it. So it builds people's confidence. Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So that's how I, that's how I see it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people take, it's almost the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: easy option, isn't it? To be so cynical. Um, because then, well,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: it gives you an excuse not to do it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: It's an excuse not to do anything. That's what it is. And,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and petition, how long does it take to sign a petition? Yeah. And,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you know, we think of all the other people play
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the lottery and what's the chance for petition winning compared
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to lottery winning. You're more likely for petition to get
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: heard in the, in parliament than you are to win.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Everyone's happy to do a scratch card and go and
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: pay their last pound or two pounds when they could
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: be getting food with it or doing something else. But
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Petition's got far more chances behind it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And then people do point to data harvesting, don't they,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: as well as another.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they know anyway.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely agree with that. Like now I'm beyond,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: They know. When we went into London on the marches,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there's enough software to put into our cell towers to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: work out whose mobile phone's there. That's our digital ID. Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: we should stop all the digital ID, but our mobile
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: phone number is our current digital ID number. Try changing
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: your mobile phone number to kind of find out how
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they resist it. You know, you can feel it's like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and see how many things when you do change your
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: mobile phone number, you actually need to sign to realise
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: how many apps you're locked into with your mobile phone.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: That's your ID. And it's not only your ID, you're
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: tracked with it. They know when you're, where you are. Yeah.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You've got your location on because most apps want your
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: location on. They've got the software that can download things
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: off your phone if you want into the police have it. Sure.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: You could just literally wipe your phone. Pick up everything
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: on your phone, get your whole contact list. They've got
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: this information anyway. But what we do, it's an excuse
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: also to hide or show a bit of cowardice as well.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It's an excuse to put your head below the parapet. Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: That's what worries me more than anything.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: You know, we found with the local meetup groups during
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: lockdown that there was a hardcore group of people who
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: would meet in person. Mm-hmm. And then there's a huge
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: number on, on the, on the telegram groups who were local,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: you know, they weren't, they, they weren't out in the sticks.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: They were in Brighton. You know, they just, you never
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: saw them. You just never saw them.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be in the telegram group and read
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: what everyone else is saying.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They just, I mean, I'm not knocking them, you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: people are, people struggle, people struggle socially. There could be
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a load of reasons why people don't know. I'm not,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not just dismissing them, but it is, it's certainly
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a factor that people struggle. with one-to-one communication, you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: meeting people in person. They struggle with, we've got so
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: used to living in these isolated worlds, haven't we? Even
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: if we know something's wrong, sometimes it's very tricky to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: break out of those habits and say, I'm actually going
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to do something about this, you know, I'm actually going
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to speak out.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And I think it's embedded in British culture as well.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So it's the classic thing in a restaurant. You know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you take an Italian into a restaurant and the food's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: not right. They push it back and send it off
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: to the kitchen and go, put real oil in it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know, the food comes back prepared. But the British person, oh, no,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: it's lovely. Thank you very much. All great.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And then as soon as they go, they're like. Yeah.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And then they speak to their friends. Don't go to their,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: leave a bad review on TripAdvisor to kind of sabotage
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the restaurant. But they don't speak up and say at
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: That is so true.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And everyone uses this word. It's almost like on trends.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: It's kind of, I'm conflict adverse. I'm what?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I'm conflict adverse.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, conflict adverse. Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's what, that's the kind of buzzword.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I'm a coward, basically.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I just don't like conflict. But who, no, who likes conflict?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: No one likes it. No one wants it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I, I, I don't like it, you know, but,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: but you put your head above the parapet a bit,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like even within the movement, you know, and you like
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the sum of the crap that, I mean, you must
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: get it. It's like, oh, shill, you know, you're, grift,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. It's constant. And it's, um, wow.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Luckily it's all behind my back.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's, I tend to stand up for myself
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: very strongly if I see anything. Well, that's interesting. I don't,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't, to be honest, I seem to be very
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: lucky on that one touch wood. I don't know what's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: been said behind my back. I mean, who knows what
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: has been said properly behind the back, but yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: No doubt someone will call you a government agent for
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: promoting AI and, you know.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. And then, and then
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the old classic, you know, it's like one UK, oh, well,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: he's not dealing, not Nabibe isn't publicizing this information about that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So therefore it's done on purpose. People say this about
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the UK column, which is one of these I want
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to talk about. Oh, they're not talking about, they weren't
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: talking about chemtrails. Therefore. Yeah. There are four chemtrails there
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: for the part of the government. And it's like, you know,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: when you're running a small media outlet, first of all,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you've got to know what you're talking about. So you've
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: got to be, you've really got to know that subject
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: in depth. And if you have a subject you don't
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: know in depth, how can you talk about it? It's
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: too dangerous to talk about. You're going to be wrong.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: You're just going to give a vague opinion, having knowledge.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: And that UK column, when it comes to politics, international politics,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: they excel. They're absolutely amazing. They know that off by heart.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But they can't deal with everything. So that's another excuse
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: people give to with some of the outlets yeah another
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: dissing and then the ai one yeah exactly some people
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: have you know i've had a lot.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Of that you've had people say a similar thing well.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: They haven't accused me but they've said that i'm promoting
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the devil's tool and it's like well i'm not promoting
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: it i'm just showing how i've bent it i've cracked
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it how i've turned it back on itself well how
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: i think i have you're not going to be replaced
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: by AI. You'll just be replaced by someone who's using AI.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, ouch, that sounds too true.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So I kind of moved my resentment from it and
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'm going to dabble. I heard reports
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: of these, that magnets were sticking to people's injection point.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was just the most ridiculous thing in
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the world. Did you, at the time? Yeah, of course.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's ridiculous. Magnets sticking? Don't be so silly.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: It's a bit weird.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's a bit weird, isn't it?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. So that's the problem I had.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I used to complain all the time. I don't have
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: enough people to experiment with. I've got all these ideas
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: for experiments, but jab people are telling you to avoid me.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The Chinese realised very quickly that members of the government
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: were being spied upon because the phone could be switched
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: on automatically from the camera and the microphone. And I'm
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: taking a sip of my tea like this, and she's
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: moving it towards my face, and she goes, oh, I
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: work in safety control at Pfizer. And my hand's like.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And I threw the tea clean over myself.