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How Juggling Two Businesses and Two Kids Shaped Seth Kaser's Deep Capacity · I Don't Know You

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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, I'm Matt.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a Jesus follower,
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  SPEAKER_02: husband,
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  SPEAKER_02: father,
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  SPEAKER_02: son,
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  SPEAKER_02: and friend who is super curious about topics like parenthood,
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  SPEAKER_02: creativity,
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  SPEAKER_02: and the tension between ambition and contentment,
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  SPEAKER_02: all while living in the distraction of the 21st century.
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  These conversations serve as a way for me to hear from people I
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  deeply respect on
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  SPEAKER_02: topics that I'm still learning about.
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  Can you give me 10 seconds of your time to ask if you could
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  share,
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  follow,
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  and review?
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  It would be a great help to make these conversations more
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  discoverable for
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  SPEAKER_02: like-minded creatives.
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  SPEAKER_02: My goal is to continue to make these as best as I can and bring relevant
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  SPEAKER_02: conversations to you that you'll find interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for listening.
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  SPEAKER_02: It seriously means so much to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today, I'm joined by my friend Seth Kayser.
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  He's a husband and father and entrepreneur who runs a school
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  called Kayser Arts and
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  a nonprofit called Global Creation Foundation that teaches
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  music and brings music
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  SPEAKER_02: education to places like Uganda and Nepal.
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  SPEAKER_02: We talk about capacity and entrepreneurship,
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  being married to another entrepreneur and his mission to
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  continually inspire others
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  SPEAKER_02: to live their purposes.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's just full of life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had the best time talking with him and I hope you enjoy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for,
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  SPEAKER_02: uh,
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  thanks for taking the time today to have a conversation in your
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  parents' backyard.
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  It's beautiful here and we get to enjoy this garden and I feel
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  very springish,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially now that we've,
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  SPEAKER_02: uh,
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  SPEAKER_02: We lost an hour, so we sprung forward.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is that how that works?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's how it works.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that it happened until we were late to church on Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_02: And church service was closing, and you were like, wait, wait.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, guys, what are you talking about?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't set the clock the right way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  SPEAKER_02: for those that don't know who this guy is,
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  SPEAKER_02: his name is Seth,
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  SPEAKER_02: and he's a good friend of mine,
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  SPEAKER_02: and we've gotten to know each other over the last
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  SPEAKER_02: probably like three-ish years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just,
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  I look up to you in a lot of ways when it comes to just like
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  the amount that you
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  SPEAKER_02: get done and
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  the intentional genuine kind decent wonderful human being that
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  you are when with
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  just like relationship in general you always seem available
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  even though you have
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  like bajillions of things going on and despite being like a
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  really present father
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  and business owner and husband and stuff like somehow always
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  have like I mean we've
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  SPEAKER_02: been hanging out for like the last
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  close to five hours and so it's just like uh i think that's a
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  testament to like who
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  you are as a person um that you're available for these types of
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  things so um i'm
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  just super grateful to get to have a conversation with you and
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  to hear more about
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  kind of your journey with those things that i'm like inspired
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  about you for you
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  SPEAKER_02: know um whether it's your marriage and and
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  kind of how you bring a lot of your entrepreneurial business
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  acumen into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like Lauren is also an entrepreneur.
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  And so like how you guys juggle that,
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  but also then have two kids and like,
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  I don't know.
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  I think that's like my first question is you have like deep
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  capacity to do a lot of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're like a nonprofit leader.
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  You have your own nonprofit and like multiple businesses that
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  you're running.
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  um do you feel like you're like juggling or uh i don't know
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  like how do you feel
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  like you can do everything um yeah where do you think that
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  capacity comes from yeah
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  well first of all dude that's a hell of an intro thank you um
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  anytime man i i mean
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  juggling is the word that's that's what it's um to to the point
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  where actually you
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  saying i don't know if i've told you this or not but it's like
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  really the last
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  month to two months maybe um i've been using that word a lot
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  more and i wrote a
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  song that's called juggling it's literally about awesome that
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  whole can you spit
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  SPEAKER_02: out a couple bars for us
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  It says entrepreneurship,
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  two kids,
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  marriage,
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  think I'm addicted to the tension.
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  SPEAKER_01: Weekends don't really exist anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Answering emails 10 p.m.
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  SPEAKER_01: on a Saturday night.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what a time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think I said yes too many times.
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  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm so grateful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But just the whole concept of juggling.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how it feels.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think...
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually had a conversation with David Orgel.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's been coming up in our podcast recording today quite a bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: What a guy, David.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we were talking about it and he said,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you think about juggling,
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  I think that sometimes we think about somebody that's like
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  dropping all the balls
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  SPEAKER_01: and is like,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's all falling apart when I say,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: life feels like juggling right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But really, I don't necessarily think that's how it feels.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't feel like I'm
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  SPEAKER_01: dropping all these balls and shattering all these things,
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  SPEAKER_01: it just feels like it is a constant,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm having to keep multiple things up in the air.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and juggling is a form of entertainment, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the circus that is your life.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's entertaining to people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, it's quite a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that
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  oftentimes it can feel overwhelming yeah when i think about the
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  to-do list of
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  things that needs to get done but i think at least from the
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  outside looking in like
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  you get it done and i think that's what's like so confusing to
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  me is like how do
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  SPEAKER_02: you be available and also get it done like
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_02: if I was in your shoes,
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  SPEAKER_02: I would be like,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
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  SPEAKER_02: I have a very strict timeline and I can only see Matt for an hour today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then, like, I need to do a million other things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, how are you still getting everything?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is it the line in your song, like, emails, 10 p.m.?
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's really,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's something where,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: this answer is not,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying this is a good answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's the truthful answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm,
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  SPEAKER_01: I,
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  I feel as though I'm very good at procrastinating and very good
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  at getting stuff
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  SPEAKER_01: done when it needs to get done and not prior.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like
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  that almost is like an entrepreneurial skill thing like unless
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  there's some sort of
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  pressure or tension or urgency like the and and i always think
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  about like the
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  quadrant i think it's uh i forget like what business leader i
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  think it's like
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  stephen covey or something it's like the uh urgent and
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  unimportant uh like
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  SPEAKER_02: non-urgent and important uh like
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  urgent and non-important I don't know it's I I'll reference it
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  in the show notes or
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  something but it's like that would probably be very helpful but
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  I think like that
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  is I don't know oftentimes like the most important things are
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  not the most urgent
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  things and the most urgent things are often like not the most
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  important things and
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like as a
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_02: as someone looking from the outside in on your experience,
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  it feels like you're really good at doing the most important
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  things and kind of
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  SPEAKER_02: neglecting the non-urgent,
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  SPEAKER_02: unimportant things.
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  SPEAKER_02: But maybe I'm just not reading that right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really,
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  SPEAKER_01: I really feel as though,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  like I could tell you five things off the top of my head right
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  now that I should be
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  SPEAKER_01: doing that I'm choosing to not do because I want to be here more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
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  And the best part about being an entrepreneur is truthfully,
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  I get to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The other stuff still has to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: The other stuff still has to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as the deadline for those things approaches, it will get done 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also...
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  SPEAKER_01: delegation of those things is really, really important as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's also,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: from John Piper,
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  SPEAKER_01: who's a fantastic pastor,
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  SPEAKER_01: has this quote,
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  SPEAKER_01: I got it tattooed on my arm,
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  SPEAKER_01: literally the day after hearing it,
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  SPEAKER_01: because I was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's a life-changing quote.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm never gonna forget it.
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  SPEAKER_01: He says, the man that wants, the man that needs to see a tree fall
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  every single time he picks up the ax,
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  we'll never accomplish great things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the man who realizes that small,
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  SPEAKER_01: well-placed chops repeated over a long period of time,
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  SPEAKER_01: that man,
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  SPEAKER_01: he will see giants fall.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this whole concept of like,
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  there are certain things where sometimes it feels like I need
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  to get this entire
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  SPEAKER_01: task done in one sitting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I try to do that so often.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it just doesn't happen that way sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I resonate so hard with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for example,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of the things on the nonprofit side that I'm doing right now is we're
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  developing this whole training program for music teachers
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  around the world
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  to it's called trauma-informed music education it's a big thing
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  that i'm really
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  working on right now and that just so happens to spell out time
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  i did not plan it
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  so epic wild but um trauma-informed music education what is
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  that i have to write
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  SPEAKER_01: the manual for it yeah and so i have been slowly chopping
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  SPEAKER_01: at this manual and it feels like writing a book, Matt.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how it feels really.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a 10,000 words at this point and 42 pages and I love it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's 90% done, but it's been 90% done for far too long.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What in the world?
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  SPEAKER_01: Siri going off right now, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um,
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think like in my mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's something that every day I wake up and I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh man,
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  SPEAKER_01: I gotta get that done.
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  But it's,
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  like you said,
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  it's an important task,
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  but it's not an urgent and important task.
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  It's a task that needs to get done soon,
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  but not right now,
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  otherwise the world crumbles,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I think it's also one of those things,
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  SPEAKER_01: now we have our first son,
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  SPEAKER_01: his name's Dougie,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Dougie is special needs.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's got some pretty severe brain abnormalities,
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's been a really different road for us than what we expected.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he's about to turn two.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he requires hands on him all day long.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of time and energy and effort.
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  It's something that in the busy schedules of being my wife is
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  something that is
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  SPEAKER_01: sometimes it can be a little bit frustrating to be like,
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  SPEAKER_01: man,
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  SPEAKER_01: I like somebody has to be with him all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: He can't self and he can't entertain himself in these different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's also just a blessing from the Lord,
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  SPEAKER_01: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: because I really do think that Dougie was given to me and my wife as a.
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  a chance and an opportunity and a consistent call to slow down
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  and to appreciate the simple.
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  And my wife,
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  when Dougie was,
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  when he wasn't born yet,
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  she had this dream of him in a field.
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  SPEAKER_01: like a grassy field, just sitting on the grass and touching the grass.
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  SPEAKER_01: And
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  that has been this consistent picture that keeps coming back
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  and back and back.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we get to spend time with Doug,
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  SPEAKER_01: we'll sit down on the grass or on the sand or,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: somewhere and just kind of take it in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's something that is extremely hard for me to do naturally,
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  SPEAKER_01: but Dougie makes me have to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I resonate.
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  SPEAKER_02: I, I, yeah, I resonate hardcore with that where it's like,
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  uh my natural uh pace and like rpm in in my like engine so to
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  speak is like are we
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  are we like in the seven to eight range like are we are we
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  pushing the limit of
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  like what capacity we have um and i think just in general as
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  like a new parent
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  so much of the lesson that you're learning is just like how do
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  you slow down well
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  but like you're learning that on a whole other level with with
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  the journey that you
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  guys have gone on with him um well and just even like i don't
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  know the i'm assuming
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  there's lots of challenge but then there's the beauty of those
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  moments where you're
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  SPEAKER_02: actually like
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  present enough to be like oh i i get it like yeah we've we've
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  arrived in in some
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  way um but i think my tendency is is probably similar to yours
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  where it's like man
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  it's it's like boring being in this situation instead of like
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  oh man i'm i'm so
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  blessed that i get to be in this situation um yeah no i
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  resonate a lot with that
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  SPEAKER_02: yeah yeah
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  well was that did that answer your question i'm sorry yeah i
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  think you asked how
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  how i how do you have like how do you use the deep capacity and
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  where did that come
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  from um even like uh from your upbringing or um we talked a
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  little bit about like
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  SPEAKER_02: how many things you're juggling and how you're doing that but um
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that did get at the heart of my question.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure we could go into more detail.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think also just to talk about upbringing a little bit,
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  SPEAKER_01: my parents,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was homeschooled all the way through.
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  And one of the things with homeschooling is that I think that
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  there's a level of
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  SPEAKER_01: independence and a level of...
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  SPEAKER_01: of responsibility that's placed on you at a younger age to be like,
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey man,
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  like you are the one that dictates how long your school day is
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  because you need to
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  SPEAKER_01: get the work done and it's up to you to do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, my experience,
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  when i got into eighth grade and into high school we started
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  taking outside classes
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  yeah where it was almost like a college um sort of thing we
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  would go to class once
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  a week yeah and it was then on me it was my responsibility to
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  get all of that work
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  done before the next week yeah otherwise i would fail yeah and
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  that happened at a
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  SPEAKER_01: young age a lot younger than a lot of people are used to and it
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  SPEAKER_01: it kind of bred within me just an independence.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's also,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: my,
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  SPEAKER_01: my mom and my dad,
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  SPEAKER_01: both,
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  SPEAKER_01: they just have a work ethic that was just modeled so well for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, um, I'm just really, really grateful for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: My dad taught me to, uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: to work and to provide and to labor hard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: when it comes to entrepreneurial stuff,
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  SPEAKER_01: my parents talk about me when I was seven,
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  walking around the neighborhood and knocking on doors and
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  selling people pencils.
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  nice and what are we talking number twos are we talking i
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  probably didn't even know
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  that i had big old glasses and i was walking around and going
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  really i cannot
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  picture you with glasses oh i mean i i mean i could talk about
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  that all day long i
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  SPEAKER_01: was born with eyes that were um horribly bad oh okay and um so
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  SPEAKER_01: When I went to, my first time going to the eye doctor, I was seven.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the doctor basically took the whole thing,
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  SPEAKER_01: did everything,
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  and my mom thought I was faking because of how bad I was doing
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  on the test.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the doctor said,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Nancy,
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: that's my mom's name,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm surprised he can read or write his own name.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have never given a prescription this high to somebody under 18.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I had big old Coke bottle glasses.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: Later,
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 17:31
  when Dougie was born and he had all of his brain abnormality
• 17:35
  stuff and they started
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: doing some genetic testing,
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: they found out that I have a gene called Col4A1.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And Col4A1 affects the brain, eyes, heart, and kidneys.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it is a gene that did not come from my parents.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: It was one that happened in me.
• 17:53
  When sperm met egg,
• 17:55
  God chose to make call 41 happen,
• 17:58
  that genetic mutation.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it only affected part of my cells.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: So my real title, are you ready for this?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm called a mosaic mutant.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because it only affected part of my cells.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the part of my cells that it affected was my eyes.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: So when I was 20...
• 18:17
  And I got into junior highs when I started wearing contacts all
• 18:20
  the time.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, that boosted my coolness factor by quite a bit.
• 18:24
  Dude,
• 18:24
  you're the king of cool,
• 18:25
  which is why I think it's weird to picture you with glasses.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when I was 7, 8, 9, 10, I would carry around an atlas.
• 18:38
  with my big old coke bottle glasses and i would walk around at
• 18:42
  parties my parents
• 18:43
  would tell me this um and i would point onto the atlas and show
• 18:48
  people where sri
• 18:48
  lanka was that was i was fascinated with sri lanka at that
• 18:52
  point because i my my
• 18:54
  dad was a missions pastor too so growing up i was always
• 18:58
  exposed to missions work
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: and
• 19:00
  um my first time out of the country uh i went to nepal and i
• 19:06
  was nine wow and it
• 19:09
  was an awesome experience but uh i thought i was going to be a
• 19:12
  missionary to sri
• 19:13
  lanka and who knows and you wanted to tell as many people about
• 19:17
  it i wanted to tell
• 19:17
  as many people about it as possible which who knows maybe
• 19:20
  someday that's i'll end
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: up in sri lanka well i mean you're kind of
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: on some level already doing some version of that.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming that GCF stuff is gonna end in Sri Lanka.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's the take over the world stuff.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: But,
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: when I was 20 is when I,
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: the dream of every kid with glasses,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't know this,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: okay?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Dream of every kid with glasses is to one day get a magical surgery.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's called LASIK.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes all your problems go away.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see like a real boy.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Pinocchio side of things.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, that's the dream of every kid with bad eyesight.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's the dream with terrible hearing, too.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's a magic.
• 20:09
  And I haven't done the research,
• 20:11
  but there's a magic surgery that will just make hearing great.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went in for a LASIK consultation.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't know,
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: there's a machine,
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: that,
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: that basically like measures the,
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: pressure buildup in your eye.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:27
  And it takes like an image of your eye and it's the one that
• 20:29
  goes,
• 20:30
  it's the puff.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And, um, so there's a little, uh, um,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: what do you call it?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like a hot air balloon that you look at.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a little red hot air balloon?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they go, okay, look at that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And okay, blink, blink, blink.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And they puff you with this little thing.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how they measure.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds startling.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: it's a little jarring,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: but,
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: they,
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: I went in,
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: they did it on my left eye and my right eye.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they did my right eye again.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they did my right eye again.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And they did my right eye again.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, okay.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, we'll come back into the room.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we go into the room and I look over at the screen.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'll never forget this.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I look over at the screen and there's two images.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell that it's an eyeball.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of spherical and all these things.
• 21:22
  One of them looks totally normal and the other one has a big
• 21:25
  black spot in the middle of it.
• 21:31
  was like very wrong well that was that's there and i look over
• 21:34
  and go what is that
• 21:36
  and the nurse that's someone else's eye no the nurse goes well
• 21:39
  the doctor's going
• 21:40
  to talk with you about that come on you're like that's never a
• 21:43
  good answer oh man
• 21:44
  and so the doctor comes in and he goes have you ever
• 21:48
  experienced any severe trauma
• 21:49
  to the left side of your face and this is at it's another story
• 21:53
  i can get into it
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: as well too but when i was 11
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: I got hit by a car and shattered this side of my face, basically.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I don't think I knew that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was gnarly.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: So shattered my jaw on this side,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: broke my jaw on this side,
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: cracked my 12th vertebrae,
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: fractured my 12th vertebrae.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And crazy, crazy thing.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a miracle you're alive.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't wearing a helmet, major concussion.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the only thing I got to show for it, and they got a bump on my lip.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's still there.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's crazy.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: But I was like, yeah, I got hit by a car when I was 11.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, okay, maybe that explains it.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: But he goes,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: you have a level three cataract on your right eye,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: which is the highest level of cataract that there is.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it basically means that all color is gone from your eye.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you are technically legally blind in your right eye.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 22:50
  And he goes,
• 22:51
  but your brain is amazing and it compensates for that blindness
• 22:58
  in your right eye.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, but here's the good news.
• 23:02
  We can do cataract surgery on you and take out the corrupted
• 23:06
  lens of your eye and
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: put in a new lens.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: And with that new lens,
• 23:10
  we can customize it to account for your stigmatism and for your
• 23:14
  prescription.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so I went in and I got double cataract surgery.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: And you're 11 at this point.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: When I was 20.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I got hit by the car when I was 11.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Went in for the LASIK surgery when I was 20.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they did double cataract surgery.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so if you ever see a weird gleam in my eye,
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: like in the back of my eye,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: that's because I have artificial lenses.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: So if you take a flashlight.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: I thought that was just the magic of your eyes.
• 23:42
  Get out of here, bro.
• 23:44
  No,
• 23:44
  if you take a flashlight and go over my eye,
• 23:46
  it's like a cat,
• 23:47
  like it reflects.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's really interesting.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Did they take a lens from a cat?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: And now you have nine lives.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: And now I have nine lives.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: So now my vision is better.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I still, I have a really tough time reading.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I say I read all these books.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because I quote books a lot.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I audiobook everything.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: I tell the same lie.
• 24:18
  That when I read a book,
• 24:19
  oftentimes I am listening to the book at two times speed.
• 24:23
  because of my personality and the fact that I,
• 24:27
  I find it very challenging to slow down.
• 24:29
  Um,
• 24:30
  but yes,
• 24:30
  I think audible is like one of the best products ever created.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like, oh, it's so nice to be able to.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: I also like, I'll show you on, on my phone.
• 24:41
  Um,
• 24:42
  like this is,
• 24:42
  uh,
• 24:44
  somebody just sent a scripture in our,
• 24:45
  in our group text.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is how I would read this.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't actually read it.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I would select it and I would hit speak.
• 24:53
  yeah and that is 10 times faster than i can read yeah so all my
• 24:58
  emails i'll do that
• 24:59
  way yeah all these things i do this way that's the beauty of so
• 25:02
  many of the
• 25:03
  accessibility features and it's it's honestly something where
• 25:06
  again like our family
• 25:09
  phrase okay and it's it's the name of my podcast but it's it's
• 25:13
  also just our family
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: phrase is we say pivot or die and it's something where each of us
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: We have to pivot to the way that we learn.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: We have to change and adapt to the way that we learn.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, vision has always been a struggle.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: Physical vision.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: Physical vision.
• 25:34
  I was going to say vision in general about where you're going
• 25:37
  in life doesn't seem
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: to be the struggle,
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: my friend.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I can't see it physically, so I have to see it.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's really, I mean, I don't know.
• 25:51
  I think that's amazing context because that's pretty much the
• 25:54
  question behind the
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: question is like,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: how do you have such deep capacity?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 25:58
  I think it like stems from the fact that like you've been
• 26:00
  through some big
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: challenges and like also,
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: we are an amalgamation of so many nuanced and complex ideas.
• 26:10
  experiences that we go through as we grow up and stuff but it
• 26:13
  sounds like obviously
• 26:14
  like parents are a huge piece of that capacity because they
• 26:17
  showed you like this is
• 26:19
  what it looks like to work hard um because they like helped you
• 26:23
  believe in yourself
• 26:23
  with like your journey with homeschooling and and your journey
• 26:27
  with just like yeah
• 26:28
  yeah like you set the pace for this do you want to like achieve
• 26:31
  a lot or do you
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: want to just like kind of go through the motions um
• 26:36
  and then it also sounds like with the challenges with like your
• 26:40
  eyesight and stuff
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: like that where it was like i'm overcoming obstacles and kind of gaining
• 26:44
  responsibility in a younger younger in life in general like
• 26:49
  when i met you in in uh
• 26:51
  i don't know three and a half years ago something like that um
• 26:55
  i was like oh like
• 26:56
  this kid is like around my age and and then i like learned that
• 27:00
  you were like quite
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: a bit younger than me i think you're like
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: five or six years younger than me.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 24 right now.
• 27:06
  Which is like amazing because you have such a great mustache
• 27:10
  and you can grow some facial hair.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: So you,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: you,
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: you look like my age,
• 27:15
  but it was just like wild to me that you had achieved what you
• 27:18
  had achieved at that
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: point.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then you've even achieved more,
• 27:21
  like you've started a nonprofit since then and all this stuff
• 27:24
  where it's like,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: oh man,
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: like this guy just has this deep capacity.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: And to understand the context that you were just talking about,
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's like,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: it gives me a more full,
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 27:33
  not an entire picture because there's so much to who you are as
• 27:36
  a person but um
• 27:38
  gives me a lot more context for like okay cool i understand a
• 27:41
  bit more of how you
• 27:43
  make these decisions and uh kind of like the subconscious and
• 27:47
  conscious way that
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: you think about a lot of this stuff i think it's also um
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: I learned this from a young age.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to a guy about this the other day.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I learned this because I loved playing video games.
• 28:00
  I still,
• 28:01
  I know this might be shocking,
• 28:03
  but it's like I play quite a bit of video games.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love playing video games.
• 28:07
  And when you are playing something like Minecraft,
• 28:13
  and you don't know how to do something,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: You have two options,
• 28:17
  which is either you can struggle and struggle and struggle and
• 28:21
  struggle to try to
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: figure it out.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then you do figure it out,
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: or you struggle,
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: struggle,
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: struggle,
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: you give up and you throw the controller and you know,
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: you're done.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: You go into YouTube and you learn it from YouTube.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I started doing at a young age.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Learning from YouTube.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: And being able to teach myself things that I need to know.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think is when I hire somebody, that's the number one skill.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Can you problem solve without me needing to get involved?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 28:53
  learning from youtube now with chat gpt as well there's no way
• 28:58
  matt there's no way
• 28:59
  that i would have a non-profit right now if it wasn't for chat
• 29:02
  gpt yeah because
• 29:04
  stupid questions that i don't know the answers to are so easy
• 29:08
  to get answers now
• 29:09
  yeah or really good questions you don't know the answer yeah no
• 29:12
  exactly it's true
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: right um but then uh
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then also I'm an Enneagram three.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the achiever.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And it's, I will show you my worth by my accomplishments.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: A hundred percent that has been my bane and my wife is.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Your biggest strength and your biggest.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Just like.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: I accomplished too much.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: But no,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: seriously,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: it's like sometimes,
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: sleeping at last,
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: the artist has a whole album.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's all the Enneagram numbers.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: That is hilarious.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: The three, the first thing it says, you play the song, it says,
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I've done enough.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, dude, I just start crying.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, oh, this just speaks to my soul.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a good segue into my next question,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: which is like you and Lauren are both entrepreneurs.
• 30:07
  Like,
• 30:07
  how do you guys protect your marriage while like being
• 30:11
  ambitious and building things?
• 30:13
  And what do you feel like you can't sacrifice in order to like
• 30:17
  do marriage well?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good question.
• 30:26
  Um,
• 30:29
  I'd say truthfully,
• 30:31
  if I'm,
• 30:32
  I'm just going to answer this straight real with you.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Lauren and I got married really young.
• 30:39
  I was 19 and she was 17 when I proposed and we got married when
• 30:45
  we were,
• 30:45
  um,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: I had just turned 20, and she was 18.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we were kids, man.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: We got married, and we entered into marriage super stoked.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was going to fix all of our problems.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 31:00
  And specifically for me,
• 31:02
  one of the things that I dealt with a lot was pornography.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I had a pornography addiction from a very young age,
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: and it was something that I had truthfully never experienced
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: life without since it started.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: and so like every,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 31:23
  Christian dude that is young and wants to get married and all
• 31:27
  this kind of things,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm going to get married and that problem is going to be gone.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest lie ever, the biggest lie ever.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it, um,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't go that way.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And six months into marriage, I was found out.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it was the most devastating thing to my wife ever.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: she was blindsided by it um everybody says you know when you get married
• 31:57
  everybody's like oh the first year is so hard okay for us
• 32:01
  honestly the first year
• 32:03
  would have been awesome if not for my sin yeah and so we went
• 32:09
  through a really
• 32:10
  really really hard season yeah at a young age um in the
• 32:15
  beginning of our marriage
• 32:18
  where I was struggling with pornography and with lust and
• 32:21
  trying to get over that
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: and feeling shame from falling into that again and again.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it sent my wife into a spiral of depression.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Understandably.
• 32:33
  Dealing with suicidal thoughts and these different things that
• 32:37
  just had never happened before.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: But my sin had brought us to that low.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now that's intense, but I say that because...
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: That was a really, really hard thing.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: One of the joys of recording outside.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Outside.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Military helicopters flying over.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's a sick helicopter.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's a military base over here that's also a golf course.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 33:08
  There are multiple presidents that have come over and moved
• 33:11
  golf right over here.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Random.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: all right sorry for that interruption you were you were telling us a very
• 33:17
  vulnerable story no so i mean it's something that's like that
• 33:21
  was a really really
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: tough time for us and um one that uh you know caused us to um
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: to change our church community and,
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: to change,
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:37
  we started being discipled and we started being real and talk
• 33:41
  about like pivot or
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: die.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a, it's a pivot or die moment for sure.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that was something that,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: really in the midst of that,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Matt,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: it felt like there was no hope,
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: no way out.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing's going to change.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is an unbeatable wall.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it felt.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I mean, honestly, I'm in SA still, which is Sexaholics Anonymous.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we have a meeting every Saturday and it's incredible, bro.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's changed my life.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:14
  But that hardship in the beginning of our marriage and making
• 34:19
  the choice to stick together,
• 34:22
  um,
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: has solidified the foundation for a lot of the rest of our marriage.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: if we could make it through that,
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: if God could get us through that,
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: he can get us through just about anything.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Enter finding out that your son,
• 34:40
  your first kid is going to have severe disabilities for the
• 34:45
  rest of his life.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not the story you expected,
• 34:50
  but God had already shown us that he was able to get us through
• 34:54
  things that we
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: could never have imagined.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so he took us,
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: it's again,
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just think about God as an author or an orchestrator and it's like,
• 35:03
  it's just a beautiful orchestration that he has going and
• 35:08
  something I never would
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: have planned.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: But then six months after Dougie's born,
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: My wife comes to me and goes, hey, have you ever heard of this thing?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's blown up on TikTok.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's called bungee fitness.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 35:21
  All these people will get into these bungee harnesses and
• 35:24
  they'll do squats and
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: push-ups and all these things,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: but it's low impact on your joints.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: All these kind of things.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, there's nowhere in Orange County to do it.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not a single place.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: I want to open up the first bungee fitness studio.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what are you talking about?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: What amount of
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: kind of creativity and ingenuity to like find that niche too.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
• 35:48
  She has,
• 35:48
  yeah,
• 35:49
  clearly you guys are cut from the same cloth when it comes to
• 35:51
  that kind of stuff.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so many times,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Matt,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: throughout our marriage,
• 35:55
  it's one of my favorite parts about my life and about our
• 35:58
  marriage dynamic is that
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: I will come up with crazy ideas every day,
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: dude,
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: every day,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: just this crazy wild idea and some other business thing.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll pitch it to her.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go, what about this?
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: And dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: she said she had to learn early on with me to,
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: when I came home and went,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Hey,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: let's build a rocket ship and fly to the moon.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: She had to go, okay.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then if that idea stuck around for another two days,
• 36:24
  that's when she can really start to try to poke holes in it and
• 36:26
  that kind of stuff.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: But she's been so gracious with me and all this kind of stuff.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: So when she came to me with this crazy idea, I was like, yeah, go for it.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Let's make it happen.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let's make it happen.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so now bunge fitness, um, they are, um,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Check them out on Instagram.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, they're just unbelievable.
• 36:43
  Well,
• 36:44
  you were telling me like the Real Housewives of OC are like
• 36:47
  filming there.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like big stuff is happening,
• 36:51
  which is just like so cool that you guys have that creativity
• 36:56
  and that muscle to
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: like make it happen.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just so proud of her, honestly.
• 37:01
  But then opening weekend of Bunch,
• 37:03
  we find out that we're expecting again.
• 37:06
  totally that one was unplanned that one was totally like what
• 37:09
  in the world another
• 37:10
  grenade into life like god what what timing is this you know
• 37:15
  and um but what that
• 37:16
  turned out to be is a huge blessing totally because it meant
• 37:21
  that my um pregnant
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: wife who was now um
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: a business owner couldn't strap into the bungee harness and instruct.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: So she had to hire more people out and delegate more things.
• 37:35
  And she started managing all the social media and all of the
• 37:40
  website stuff.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's blown up now because of that.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: She was in,
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: she would have been in the wrong seat on the bus,
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: um,
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: because she just needed to be in the weeds of running the business,
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: but instead necessity,
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 37:57
  provided the opportunity for her to like be in the right seat
• 38:01
  yeah um yeah dang and
• 38:03
  so when it comes to our marriage dynamic or when it comes to
• 38:06
  how do we preserve our
• 38:07
  time or what are these things for me um right now is the first
• 38:11
  time that this year
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: is the first time that i'm tasting um like time freedom
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Before this,
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: when we first got married,
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: bro,
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would work 20 hour days and like wild hours.
• 38:31
  Well,
• 38:32
  and that's like what I always think about from an
• 38:35
  entrepreneurial standpoint.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: When you're building something,
• 38:39
  the the the baby that you need to like birth and and like see
• 38:45
  grow like you're not
• 38:47
  sleeping when you have a newborn yeah like you're you're
• 38:50
  figuring it out and that's
• 38:52
  i mean it feels like such a good analogy with with any sort of
• 38:56
  business that you're
• 38:56
  starting and i mean like your main entrepreneurial venture is
• 39:00
  like the school that
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: you started but then you also have like
• 39:04
  uh all of the stuff that you're doing with your non-profit now
• 39:07
  too where it's like
• 39:09
  yeah it makes sense and you sort of have to sacrifice anything
• 39:13
  and everything to
• 39:13
  like see that dream come to fruition and i just like walked
• 39:17
  through the school that
• 39:19
  you built um and that wasn't like alone obviously but i don't
• 39:24
  know it's what a cool
• 39:26
  testament to like see yeah the 20-hour days they like they paid
• 39:31
  off but the
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: sacrifice was
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: It seemed like it was big.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was a lot for sure.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 39:36
  a lot of hours put in a lot of time in the beginning of my
• 39:40
  marriage that honestly,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: if I was to coach somebody through this again,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'd probably be like,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hey bro,
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: it's probably healthier for your marriage to go get a nine to five.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's always how it works.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: But, um, because of that time put in now, um,
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: Getting the right people on the bus and delegating more to them.
• 40:00
  Stacey Ballou has been somebody that I brought on as the team
• 40:04
  manager at Kaser
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: Arts,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: which is my art school,
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: this year.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it's changed everything, bro.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like...
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like I can take a deep breath.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: I can plan.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: I can ideate for what the future looks like.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: Work on your vision.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: It has been unbelievable.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: And allowed me to dedicate more time to Global Creation Foundation,
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: the nonprofit side of things.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: But it's also allowed me to give more time to my family.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that is my one thing right now with...
• 40:39
  Global Creation Foundation,
• 40:41
  it is awesome and opportunities are like,
• 40:44
  they're abounding.
• 40:46
  But I will not sacrifice time with my family and with my kids
• 40:53
  when they're young
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: right now to build that.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because right now, Kaser Arts is able to pay the bills.
• 41:02
  If that wasn't the case,
• 41:05
  the number one thing becomes providing for your family.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so,
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we talked about this a little bit earlier,
• 41:14
  but it's that whole balance between success and the dreams that
• 41:19
  we have and chasing
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: those wholeheartedly and being relationally healthy.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: And emotionally healthy and sleep healthy,
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: which I'm not...
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: you can take what you can get when you have little ones.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: But those things...
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: I would rather have those things and less success.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and, and how you define success, I think is important.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I wrestle with where it's like,
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 41:50
  if I'm defining success as like having a good relationship with
• 41:53
  my wife and having
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: time with my kids,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: then like that is success.
• 41:58
  Uh,
• 41:58
  and then we always have like the external pressure of the world
• 42:03
  and,
• 42:04
  uh,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: if you're anything like me,
• 42:07
  then like you have the external pressure of wanting to get
• 42:10
  people's approval and be
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: a people pleaser,
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: which I don't think you really have that
• 42:16
  as far as i know where like you don't really care what people
• 42:19
  think you're just
• 42:19
  like i'm gonna do this thing whether you like it or not
• 42:23
  unfortunately uh yeah
• 42:25
  confrontation is not i'm not afraid yeah yeah which is a
• 42:29
  superpower i think in in
• 42:31
  many ways but like most superpowers it's also a big weakness
• 42:35
  too where like yeah i
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: just crave people's approval
• 42:39
  um but then that also like gives me some well no there's
• 42:43
  probably nothing good
• 42:44
  about that i don't know if there is anything good about that um
• 42:48
  anyway this
• 42:49
  interview is not about me um something you said that was really
• 42:53
  it was funny it was
• 42:55
  like a perfect segue into my next i feel like you're just
• 42:58
  setting me up perfectly
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: even though i didn't give you any questions um
• 43:03
  like what you were talking about with you and lauren where like
• 43:06
  you you guys you
• 43:08
  have like a million ideas um like as someone who has a lot of
• 43:14
  ideas how do you kind
• 43:16
  of decide what filters do you have for deciding like is this a
• 43:20
  distraction is it a
• 43:21
  hobby is it like a calling um yeah i'm i'm so curious about
• 43:26
  like how you get from
• 43:29
  here's this idea that I have and you gave me a little snippet
• 43:32
  of an answer where
• 43:32
  it's like if it's more than a couple days and like you're still
• 43:36
  thinking about it
• 43:37
  or it's a week past or whatever but I'm curious to kind of get
• 43:39
  your thoughts on how
• 43:41
  do you like move from thinking about it to like doing something
• 43:45
  about it um
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I have a note on my phone that's just called business ideas.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have the same one.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's probably 50 businesses on there.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds about right.
• 44:01
  With the business idea and all that kind of stuff,
• 44:05
  probably three or four of them
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: are outlined.
• 44:13
  Like I could,
• 44:15
  if everything collapsed right now,
• 44:17
  I could go start those right now.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: And there it's a, it's a dream.
• 44:25
  I really want to do those businesses that I've really thought
• 44:29
  out and I'm stoked about.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: But the more that I I'm learning now,
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think that,
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: one of the things I just,
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: this moment comes to my mind when we talk about this.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: When I first wanted to start Global Creation Foundation,
• 44:44
  the idea was to bring music education to kids all around the
• 44:47
  world who need it.
• 44:49
  And so what I was going to do is I was going to fundraise to
• 44:55
  make a video series on
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: how to play the ukulele.
• 44:59
  And then I was gonna go to ukulele brands and I was gonna get
• 45:03
  them to donate the ukuleles.
• 45:05
  And then I was gonna go to donors and get them to sponsor my
• 45:07
  ticket to go over and
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: to bring these ukuleles and then show the videos to the kids out there.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: That was the very loose structure of it.
• 45:17
  In the business idea note that I have,
• 45:22
  that is the outline of what GCF is.
• 45:26
  Russ Klein sat me down in a lunch meeting when I was telling
• 45:31
  him all about this.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, that's great, Seth.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: What is one thing you could do this week to not kind of make that happen,
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: but how could you just make it happen?
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's a simpler equation than that?
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's a lot of stats.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, Russ.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Classic.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Heavy hitting question.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: He asked me that question and I said,
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 45:52
  I guess I could like set up my iPhone in my classroom and I
• 45:55
  could order some
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: ukuleles from Amazon.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, yeah.
• 46:00
  And the next week I sat down in my classroom and for four hours
• 46:05
  I pressed record
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: and I filmed a how to play ukulele series.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I chopped that up and posted it on YouTube.
• 46:11
  And I went on Amazon and bought $20 ukuleles and they got
• 46:17
  shipped to my door.
• 46:18
  And then I found somebody that was going to Uganda,
• 46:20
  which is where I wanted to work.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 46:23
  can you bring these to the school that you work with and then
• 46:25
  connect me to the
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: person that's there?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that happened.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like that concept of going,
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: no,
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: what's the simplest way for you to actually take action?
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: The minimum viable product idea.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's like on my, what's it called?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: strength finders test.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever taken strength?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: My number one is activator classic.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love being like, Matt, you have an idea.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: You want to do a podcast, bro?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like go today and go do it.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: And why not just try it.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: There was a moment that my wife and I both had,
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: and this circles back into this whole conversation.
• 47:15
  There was a moment that my wife and I had when we were taking
• 47:20
  Dougie to the hospital.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Dougie's our son and he has seizures sometimes.
• 47:30
  So one of these times that he had had a couple seizure episodes
• 47:32
  and we needed to
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: take him into the hospital,
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: we got in the car and we're driving to Chalk Hospital,
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: the local hospital here.
• 47:41
  was when my wife was talking about bunch and it was when i was
• 47:44
  talking about gcf a
• 47:46
  lot of these things that we're doing so we're talking about the
• 47:48
  different things
• 47:48
  that are happening yeah right now in life and um we had this
• 47:56
  thought together that
• 47:57
  was like yeah let's solidify this this is a pivotal moment in
• 48:02
  my life when i think
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: about this
• 48:04
  we're talking about all these business ideas and we kind of
• 48:06
  look at each other and
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: we're like,
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: is this crazy?
• 48:08
  Like,
• 48:09
  should we not be talking about this as we're taking our son in
• 48:11
  right now?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, into the hospital.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: And like,
• 48:14
  should we just like forget all of this and just go get normal
• 48:18
  jobs and care for our
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: kids and do this whole thing?
• 48:23
  And I'm just like,
• 48:24
  man,
• 48:24
  we would hate our lives so much more if we did that,
• 48:28
  honestly.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Just us, personally.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so instead,
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: we made this pact that was basically saying,
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: at the end of our lives,
• 48:39
  we would rather look back and see a field of dumpster fire
• 48:46
  failures and awesome
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: successes
• 48:51
  than ideas that we had that we never acted on i would rather
• 48:56
  try it and have it
• 48:57
  completely fail yeah than to not try it at all which i can
• 49:01
  almost guarantee that
• 49:02
  like there have been many things that you have tried and failed
• 49:05
  at like i think
• 49:07
  that's just the life of an entrepreneur like you're just
• 49:11
  quickly learning the
• 49:12
  process of failure over and over and over again over and over
• 49:15
  and over again um
• 49:16
  but like there's something in you and in her that's like yeah i
• 49:20
  gotta keep i gotta
• 49:21
  keep doing this yeah it's a way of life seriously dang that's
• 49:26
  so good and so i and
• 49:28
  does that oh yeah yeah well i'm curious this is uh like rapid
• 49:33
  fire like what's one
• 49:34
  idea that you killed very quickly that you were like this has
• 49:39
  i'm super excited
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: about this and then you were like oh no no way
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let me, let me pull up my business.
• 49:51
  I want to be careful about asking this question because there
• 49:55
  might be stuff in
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: there that you're,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: uh,
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: that you're still actively thinking.
• 49:58
  If you hear me talk about something that I want to do and you
• 50:02
  go do it before me.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: Go do it, please.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to see them happen.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because they'd just be so fun.
• 50:10
  Have we talked about that before where we just need to start a
• 50:13
  website that someone
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: else starts all the ideas that we have?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe that was, I think that was my old boss, John.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, I have so many ideas.
• 50:25
  I just want a website where I put all my ideas in it and then
• 50:28
  people can just go start it.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't get any money.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I just see them start my ideas.
• 50:32
  But they have to like claim it and be like,
• 50:34
  this one is mine and I'm going to go do it.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have to commit to it.
• 50:39
  So my first business ever was when I think about when I was
• 50:45
  like,
• 50:45
  this is a business.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was in junior high and it was called Geckos for God.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I bred and sold crested geckos out of my garage.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: And what was the for God piece of that?
• 50:58
  For God piece was all the proceeds that I would make from them
• 51:00
  went to pay for the
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: mission trips.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, epic.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 51:03
  So I was trying to make like a joke and then you turned it
• 51:06
  around to be like a
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: really sincere,
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: beautiful thing.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Geckos for God was just awesome.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I told my grandpa probably two years ago,
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Gramps,
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: if I did it again,
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: I could kill it.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: I could just crush geckos for God.
• 51:23
  And we started talking and ideating about actually starting it
• 51:26
  again to the point
• 51:27
  where he's like bought a gecko cage and like has a reptile cage
• 51:32
  that's like sitting
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: in his garage right now.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Just in case I want to start breeding and selling crusty geckos again.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: And at that time, that was an idea that I was like, pfft.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: We can't put that one right now.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: What's one idea that you're afraid to start?
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: This time program thing, it feels really big.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to make it a certification someday to where...
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: you know, it just feels a little bit bigger than me.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just scary to do.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that, uh,
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have a sparkling water brand that I'm going to start someday.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:21
  This one I'm not going to say anything about because I'm going
• 52:23
  to do this one.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Dude.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it's, it's, uh, I'm really excited about it.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that is a really tough market.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: To go into.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: That is quite saturated.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: And, um, it's just a lot of, uh, um,
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of capital in the beginning to order.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: I will be,
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: whatever your model is,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be like a subscriber monthly to have it in my place of work.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you about this when the cameras are off.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I'm stoked.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's going to be absolutely insane.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very excited to hear about that.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: But that's one that I'm scared, but so excited about.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 53:06
  um this is sort of in the same vein but i'm curious because of
• 53:09
  like all the
• 53:09
  business ideas that you have and kind of the context behind
• 53:13
  like how you shape some
• 53:16
  of those ideas like what's one business book that you found
• 53:20
  super super valuable
• 53:22
  kind of time and time again that maybe i don't know you go back
• 53:25
  to um or that you
• 53:26
  just like read once and it was amazing and you're like this
• 53:29
  formed the way that i
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: think about thinking about ideas
• 53:37
  um so i'm teaching a an entrepreneurship class right now oh yes
• 53:42
  the class that i
• 53:43
  need to enroll i have a list that's just called mr seth's
• 53:47
  approved list of content
• 53:49
  and um the four books on there that are um uh really really
• 53:55
  great that i would say
• 53:56
  if you want to start a business everybody should read these um
• 53:59
  just in quick
• 54:00
  succession rich dad poor dad teaches you how to think about
• 54:03
  money yeah um the
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: e-myth
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: teaches you how to organize and build systems into your business.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: The cash flow quadrant is the sequel to Rich Dad Poor Dad.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that is how to actually, the four ways you could make money.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Great book.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then the last one is The Richest Man in Babylon.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just love that book.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's a more personal finance side of things.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: The other one I would just say,
• 54:35
  like when it comes to conflict and running businesses and
• 54:39
  running teams and
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: managing different people and all those kind of things,
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: there's a book called Radical Candor that is littered with profanity.
• 54:48
  And it's not written from a Christian perspective,
• 54:50
  but it is so unbelievably helpful.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: It has made me a better dad,
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: a better husband,
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: a better business owner,
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: a better boss,
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: better friend.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I read that book.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: Better at cussing people out.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: Way better.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize it's been a long time since I've read that.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um,
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: And my dad,
• 55:16
  it's cool to see the parallels between two really smart people
• 55:21
  that you know,
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_02: and when they agree on something together,
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_02: then you know it's like,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: oh,
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: you've got to do this.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_02: And my dad is the same way about that book,
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: where he's like,
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: Radical Candor is one of my favorite leadership books I've ever read.
• 55:33
  And so,
• 55:34
  I mean,
• 55:34
  obviously I take most of what he says as like gospel in
• 55:38
  general.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's cool to see like from your perspective too,
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: that that is a super helpful use of time.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: Switching gears a little bit.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: But on your Kaiser Arts website, you have like your mission statement.
• 55:57
  And it almost seems like it's a personal mission statement,
• 56:00
  like it's for the school.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's also like knowing you, it's like you too.
• 56:06
  And I'm curious,
• 56:07
  like the statement,
• 56:08
  I'm going to read it and maybe I'm messing it up.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: but inspire people to live creative lives full of purpose,
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: passion,
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: and risk for the glory of God until there are little fires everywhere.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it seems like you kind of adhere to that very well,
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: obviously,
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: with what you're doing with Kaiser Arts and GCF.
• 56:31
  Are there any practices that you work through to ensure like
• 56:36
  your ego,
• 56:37
  I don't know,
• 56:40
  and and like your ambition is like aligned in the right way so
• 56:44
  that like that
• 56:45
  mission moves forward because like being yeah yeah i mean so
• 56:53
  that that statement is
• 56:56
  my life statement yeah um and that's that's on my linkedin
• 57:00
  right um on on the case
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: or arts website um
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's similar.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: The KSR Arts website,
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: our tagline is For the Love of Creating,
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: which could be that just shrunken down,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: And on the GCF site, it's Music Changes Lives.
• 57:23
  These taglines,
• 57:23
  you guys,
• 57:24
  it's just like,
• 57:24
  oh my gosh,
• 57:25
  they're just part of me.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's how it feels.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And really taking that statement,
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_01: and breaking it up into a little bit more specific expressions.
• 57:39
  When it talks about that last part,
• 57:41
  until there are little fires everywhere,
• 57:46
  same concept.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: When I look back at the end of my life, I want to see a road of pivots.
• 57:55
  I want to see a road littered with failures and successes,
• 58:00
  and I want to see
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: little fires that I've started,
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: not an arson,
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: but I'm an arson for passion for God and for creativity.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to clip this for sure.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: I am an arson for Jesus.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, I think that passion spreads.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: And if passion is like fire,
• 58:31
  if I'm really stoked about something and I'm passionately
• 58:35
  talking about that thing,
• 58:38
  my desire for that thing and to learn more about it and to
• 58:42
  pursue it spreads to
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: you.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: And just that is something for me that is so fulfilling.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just, it's just teaching too.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I just love teaching other people to love the things that I love.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's, that's kind of the, um,
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: the extent of it.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: But I think to answer your question,
• 59:08
  how do I make sure that that goal and my pride are not
• 59:13
  competing or in alignment,
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: all these things?
• 59:15
  I think that it's one of those things where leadership is
• 59:20
  something that most
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: people who like want it and they need a place of leadership.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's a slippery slope.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a slippery slope.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to be careful about
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, to not be that way.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that it's something that my wife has taught me.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's something that my friends are teaching me.
• 59:43
  And this is why I want to surround myself with people that call
• 59:45
  me out when I'm
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: being prideful and,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: call me stupid when I'm being stupid and aren't afraid of conflict,
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: honestly.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 59:55
  and so really I have some friends that have surrounded me that
• 59:59
  literally I I'm just
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: quoting from conversations like Seth,
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like in our friendship, you don't talk to me.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: You talk through me.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Seth, leadership, this was wild.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: This hit deep.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: Your leadership means nothing if you don't show vulnerability.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, wow.
• 1:00:20
  And these quotes from trusted friends of mine that I cherish
• 1:00:26
  and want to make sure
• 1:00:27
  that I continue to live by when they call me out for leading in
• 1:00:31
  a way that is
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: not...
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: spreading the wrong kind of fire, you know?
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: to those two quotes and to,
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: it sounds like,
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: the relationships that you have with your close,
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_02: trusted community,
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: at least from my perspective,
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: you're living into those very well,
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: where it's like,
• 1:00:53
  what i do feel when i'm around you and it like i want to get as
• 1:00:57
  much time with seth
• 1:00:58
  because because of that infectious passion that you have for
• 1:01:02
  hey let me like take
• 1:01:03
  you on this journey of the thing that i'm like learning about
• 1:01:05
  and it gets me more
• 1:01:06
  excited and inspired about like i don't know even the fact that
• 1:01:09
  you were like dude
• 1:01:10
  i'm making a podcast too and i am like so excited like can you
• 1:01:14
  please be on it and
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: it's like oh
• 1:01:16
  this is just going to fuel the fire like my own little fire so
• 1:01:20
  to speak and the
• 1:01:21
  energy that comes off of and the momentum that i have going
• 1:01:24
  into like doing more of
• 1:01:26
  this with people is now refueled and running alongside you like
• 1:01:31
  as a creative
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: that's really inspired by like
• 1:01:35
  uh whatever project we're working on or whatever separately or
• 1:01:38
  together yeah um
• 1:01:40
  like i i see such an amazing and that's the reason that i'm
• 1:01:43
  asking is because like
• 1:01:45
  i feel like you have more of that figured out uh than i do so
• 1:01:49
  far and it's like oh
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: i gotta
• 1:01:52
  to your point be around people like you more so that i like
• 1:01:56
  that you guys like uh
• 1:01:58
  give me whatever infectious disease you guys have around as
• 1:02:03
  terrible as that sounds
• 1:02:04
  i i will say this though it's it's honestly bro i as much as i
• 1:02:09
  love it as much as i
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: love spreading the passion that i have for different things
• 1:02:17
  One of my greatest regrets in life is that I have a friend of
• 1:02:22
  mine that I convinced
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: to go into marriage before he was ready to go into marriage.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: And he ended up not being able to handle the pressure.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he left his wife and left the road of destruction
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: behind him and still love him.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love that man.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: But, um, I very much so was like, yeah, dude, you should get married.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's all these different things.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: I have friends of mine that I've pushed to start businesses that have,
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: failed and they're now in more debt.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I have,
• 1:03:18
  I think my tolerance for risk is very high,
• 1:03:21
  and my willingness to compromise is also very high.
• 1:03:25
  Not my integrity,
• 1:03:26
  but to compromise for other people so that we can make it
• 1:03:29
  happen.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_02: Practical compromise to get some sort of goal across the finish line.
• 1:03:38
  There are times where in my passion,
• 1:03:42
  I encourage people to do more than what their capacity is.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I fear sometimes,
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: honestly,
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just being real,
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: that even as we're talking about like,
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_01: Seth,
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: well,
• 1:03:55
  you're doing this nonprofit thing and you're doing this thing
• 1:03:57
  and you're doing that
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: thing.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's juggling.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: And both Lauren and I are just high capacity individuals.
• 1:04:04
  And I don't ever want to make somebody else feel like they're
• 1:04:09
  not doing enough.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because God gives us all different capacities.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: And the fact that I take on as much as I do,
• 1:04:20
  is not something that I necessarily am wanting to encourage
• 1:04:24
  anybody ever to do.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're not preaching that to everybody.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it's something that I love that God has called me specifically into.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that that infectious passion is,
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: that's one of our core values at Kayser Arts is infectious passion.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: But
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing, but it's also something that I have wielded wrong before.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a fear of mine that I wield it wrong again.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  and it sounds like there's enough self-awareness there to give
• 1:05:04
  the context that you
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  just gave me in whatever conversation or whatever interaction
• 1:05:08
  you're having to help
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_02: people understand
• 1:05:14
  That may be tempted because a lot of people probably look at
• 1:05:17
  your life and they're
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: oh man,
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: that's amazing that he's able to do that much,
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: but I don't want to do that much.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to stick with my W-2 job and I'm going to be like,
• 1:05:28
  I'll have my 401k and I'll not have to deal with like all the
• 1:05:31
  stuff that he's going
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: through.
• 1:05:32
  But there's plenty of people probably that you interact with
• 1:05:34
  that are like
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: susceptible to thinking like,
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: wow,
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_02: he's got it figured out.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's got it made.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I think something that I've seen you do really well is like,
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_02: yeah,
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_02: this is super challenging.
• 1:05:45
  And you're vulnerable enough with people to let them in on that
• 1:05:50
  where it is like.
• 1:05:52
  yeah yeah you know what you're signing up for like this is a
• 1:05:55
  lot um but i'm like so
• 1:05:57
  stoked that i get to do this and that my problems are my
• 1:06:00
  problems um and i have
• 1:06:02
  them just like everybody else or whatever but um it feels like
• 1:06:06
  you ride that line
• 1:06:07
  well which in in many ways i feel like is a knife's edge where
• 1:06:11
  you can kind of get
• 1:06:12
  lost in your own sauce some of the time when it comes to just
• 1:06:15
  like man i am pretty
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: great i have done a lot of stuff
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_02: But then you have humbling times, like it sounds like.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: Then I have my wife there.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: that's one of the beautiful things about both the girls we ended up with,
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think,
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: is they're very good at humbling us.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: In a loving and incredible way.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: Not in a tearing down way.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_01: My wife builds me up more than anybody else,
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_01: but when I get too prideful,
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: she's also not afraid to look me in the face and say.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, too big for your britches.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_01: Stop being an idiot.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pivoting a little bit.
• 1:06:51
  I'm curious as like a leader of people and delegating and doing
• 1:06:56
  all that kind of
• 1:06:57
  stuff and even just kind of the infectious passion of like
• 1:07:03
  bringing people
• 1:07:04
  alongside what you're doing and getting them excited about
• 1:07:06
  whatever it is you're
• 1:07:07
  doing or like enabling that sort of passion within them for
• 1:07:10
  whatever they're doing.
• 1:07:12
  How do you feel like,
• 1:07:13
  I don't know,
• 1:07:14
  leading creativity threatens like your own creativity?
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then aside, like what are the, what, what inspires you creatively?
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think I have created less the more that I get other people to create.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I struggled with that for a long time.
• 1:07:53
  And I would try to force it for me to create in the same way
• 1:07:58
  that I used to.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that over time, creativity shifts.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have a great friend of mine.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_01: His name's Efren.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: And he was, I think he still is.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think he got promoted or something.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: But he was pretty high up in SWOT.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: And he was my neighbor.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_01: We were outside all hanging out with a couple dudes.
• 1:08:23
  And I started talking about creativity and wanting people to
• 1:08:28
  just generally be more creative.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I shared a poem or something that I'd written.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, man, let me show you something.
• 1:08:38
  And he pulls out his phone and goes back and back and back and
• 1:08:41
  back and pulls up
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: these poems that he had written years ago.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: and was like,
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: man,
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: when I first got saved,
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: when I was first,
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: like I graduated high school,
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: I would just write poetry and Christian rap lyrics all the time,
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: because he was listening to guys like Trip Lee and Lecrae and Braille.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: NF.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: NF, dude, like all these different guys.
• 1:09:05
  And was like,
• 1:09:06
  he would sit down specifically,
• 1:09:09
  oh,
• 1:09:09
  no,
• 1:09:09
  no,
• 1:09:10
  not Tripoli,
• 1:09:10
  Shai Lin.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: Shai Lin specifically,
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: if you've never listened to him,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: he's just like a theologian over a rap beat.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_01: Epic.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_01: He has a song called The Hypostatic Union.
• 1:09:21
  And it's like the hypothetical union is the fact that God is
• 1:09:24
  100% man and 100% God
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: at the same time.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: That was Jesus.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: And he explains that in a rap song.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: Incredible.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it is awesome.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: He has two albums, Lyrical Theology 1 and Lyrical Theology 2.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's unbelievable.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: So Efren was telling me he was listening to this guy all the time.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_01: And he would sit down and try to write deep thoughts just like that.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, man, I just miss it.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_01: And me, being the infectious passion person I am, I'm like, effort.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: I grab him and I'm like, you can do it, dude.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, just start writing again and all these things.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: And he goes, well, bro, I don't feel like I'm not creative anymore.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: But he goes, every day, my creativity is how to not die.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: As I'm breaking down doors to these houses.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Creativity evolves and changes over time.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: This last couple of years, I've written less songs.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: The songs I've written, I think, are more deep and meaningful.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: But they're not forced.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've written less songs.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I've thought up and started more businesses.
• 1:10:39
  And I have creatively problem solved in those businesses more
• 1:10:44
  than I ever have.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of that creative energy is going into problem solving.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think that creativity to be summed up could be just that.
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  is problem solving because you want to sit down and write a
• 1:11:04
  song and there's a
• 1:11:06
  problem in you that you need to get out and talk about and fix
• 1:11:10
  and there's a chord
• 1:11:11
  that's how you resonate with that problem solving exactly right
• 1:11:14
  there's a chord
• 1:11:15
  that you need to hear and that chord's not right well i'm going
• 1:11:18
  to problem solve to
• 1:11:19
  figure out what chord goes next yeah and all that kind of stuff
• 1:11:23
  i think that um
• 1:11:25
  that has been a tough pill for me to swallow yeah but i go in
• 1:11:29
  bursts there's like a
• 1:11:31
  mourning and grieving process with that yeah but more recently
• 1:11:35
  um just today i i
• 1:11:37
  grabbed the guitar one of the things that i've been loving
• 1:11:40
  creativity wise is um
• 1:11:42
  Getting to create content for Global Creation Foundation to try
• 1:11:46
  to get the word out
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: there,
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: like we talked about a little while ago.
• 1:11:49
  But it's seriously so creative for me to think up new content
• 1:11:55
  and go shoot a funny video.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_01: So creative.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not song.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: In my mind, songwriting is what I do.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's an identity piece there that now...
• 1:12:08
  is shifting because of the types of creativity that you're
• 1:12:11
  involved in now yeah um
• 1:12:14
  yeah that's really nuanced and subtle that's a really
• 1:12:17
  interesting insight because i
• 1:12:19
  often think about like i don't know how do you how do you have
• 1:12:24
  like the bite-sized
• 1:12:25
  version of explaining to people like the creativity that you
• 1:12:29
  deliver like what are
• 1:12:30
  the deliverables that you have and for so long it was like oh
• 1:12:33
  photo and film and
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: all this kind of stuff and then
• 1:12:37
  you change as a person and there's a kind of a morphine and
• 1:12:42
  evolution that happens.
• 1:12:43
  And then creativity is like having this conversation with you
• 1:12:47
  and like thinking of
• 1:12:48
  the questions that I want to ask you and the types of insights
• 1:12:50
  that I want to gain
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: from like having this conversation with you.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and, and then like, yeah, that's the creative output or whatever.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's really fascinating.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: And when it comes to what inspires me, dude, I mean, I think that, um,
• 1:13:06
  This last year,
• 1:13:07
  I have read some of the best fiction I have ever read in my
• 1:13:10
  entire life,
• 1:13:11
  Matt.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It has changed my whole world.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that you disagree with this.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Please don't say Brandon Sanderson.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's Brandon Sanderson, dude.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_00: It is the best.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: It is peak.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: I do agree with you that Mistborn is like...
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Top of the line, amazing.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I do think the world building is just insane.
• 1:13:33
  And I got to give that guy credit for sticking with all the
• 1:13:37
  world building that he does.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's just not my cup of tea, which I can totally respect.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Just like I know that rap is like totally an amazing genre of music.
• 1:13:46
  Not my cup of tea,
• 1:13:48
  but I understand that it's valuable on its own without me
• 1:13:52
  having to like it.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but for me, I'm inspired.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm inspired by Mistborn a hundred percent.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think that,
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_01: on the writing side of things,
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: absolutely him on the songwriting side of things.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: guys like Briston Moroney,
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_01: there's an artist named Slim Dan that not a lot of people know about.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: He is so incredible.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 1:14:18
  lizzie mcalpine i love her stuff i mean just unbelievable john
• 1:14:24
  bellion um has a
• 1:14:26
  whole youtube series that is basically the making of and then
• 1:14:30
  every single one of
• 1:14:31
  his top hits yeah that they are some of the most inspiring if
• 1:14:36
  you're ever like
• 1:14:37
  lagging or being like man i just don't feel creatively inspired
• 1:14:41
  it's like go watch
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: those videos and there's no way that you
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_01: end that video without going, dang, I gotta do something with my life.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's absolutely incredible.
• 1:14:53
  I mean,
• 1:14:53
  he's like a true genius,
• 1:14:56
  I think,
• 1:14:56
  when it comes to producing and lyrics and all that.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, some of my favorite
• 1:15:01
  He is a weird artist for me because I don't really like his
• 1:15:04
  music that much.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: But, like, he's such a deep lyricist.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like,
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Stupid Deep and Conversations with My Wife are,
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: like,
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: some of the best songs ever written,
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_02: in my opinion.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's just sort of all over the map when it comes.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: On his new album, he has a song called My Boy.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It goes, Stay young, stay small, my boy.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, brutal.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it, like, I wept in my car to that song.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm picturing Verena doing... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_02: And... She's not a boy.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_02: She's a girl.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: But same deal.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then he, like, raps a prayer in the middle of it.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just so raw and amazing and unfiltered.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I just... I just... I love it.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think...
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_01: as creatives,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_01: as artists,
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: the more we rip out our hearts and go like,
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 1:16:02
  here's where I'm bleeding and this is where I got stabbed and
• 1:16:06
  this is like all
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: these different things.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_01: The more that we do that in the
• 1:16:12
  in the music that we write,
• 1:16:13
  in the poems that we write,
• 1:16:15
  the more people relate with it.
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because in all the deep, hard things that we go through, we're not alone.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And even though we convince ourselves that we are.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you write a song, Jack Harlow is a rapper.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: He has a song that's called Gang, Gang, Gang.
• 1:16:38
  It is an incredible sample of this gang,
• 1:16:42
  gang,
• 1:16:42
  gang,
• 1:16:43
  gang,
• 1:16:43
  gang,
• 1:16:43
  gang,
• 1:16:44
  gang,
• 1:16:44
  gang.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's so awesome.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: He just samples that.
• 1:16:46
  But literally,
• 1:16:48
  it's a song about childhood friends of his that have now become
• 1:16:52
  pedophiles.
• 1:16:53
  And hearing about this whole concept and being like,
• 1:16:57
  hey,
• 1:16:57
  did you hear about so-and-so?
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's in jail now.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_01: And all these kind of things.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: That is, here you go, look.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  And I love that song because I have friends of mine that I look
• 1:17:10
  at now and go,
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: dude,
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_01: what are you doing?
• 1:17:13
  Like I thought we were going to be,
• 1:17:15
  the whole concept is gang,
• 1:17:16
  gang,
• 1:17:17
  gang.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we were going to be homies forever,
• 1:17:21
  but we're not anymore because of the choices you've made or
• 1:17:26
  because of the choices
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: I've made to get away from you a lot of times.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the more vulnerable we can be, it's amazing.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So music like that, it just hits me.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it opens you up.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do some open heart surgery on you.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, come on.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And also...
• 1:17:46
  shakespeare and edgar allen poe oh yes well those those are the
• 1:17:49
  like uh the goats
• 1:17:51
  of being able to do that when i but in a really cool funny
• 1:17:55
  eloquent miserable yeah
• 1:17:57
  all the emotions way yeah when i heard the raven for the first
• 1:18:02
  time eighth grade i
• 1:18:03
  had to memorize a poem and recite it and i memorized a fourth
• 1:18:07
  of the raven and it
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: has changed my life
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_01: learning about how he wrote it and,
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: things like,
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_01: the silken,
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: sad,
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: uncertain wrestling of each purple curtain thrilled me,
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like what is happening?
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, uh,
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just... That's amazing.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: From my books, I sought to borrow Sir Cease of Sorrow.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what is happening?
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's such amazing lyricism.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and language and forms the way that you write lyrics and stuff.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dude.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's what inspires me.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's a very good answer.
• 1:18:52
  I always try to end these conversations by asking a question of
• 1:18:56
  our last guest for
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_02: our next guest.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so the question that has been asked for you,
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: and I think you've answered a little bit of this,
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_02: but maybe we can expound a bit more.
• 1:19:07
  What is a creative wrestling or stirring that you haven't
• 1:19:10
  answered that keeps
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: coming up in your life?
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_02: And how will you take it seriously?
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: I want to write a book.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Someday.
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  SPEAKER_01: And writing this time manual has felt like writing a book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, forgive me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to remember her name right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I just.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Ryan Trahan.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Haley Pham.
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  SPEAKER_01: Haley Pham.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just put out a video.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's in my queue to watch.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just put out a video that is documenting her writing a book.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just watched it and it was one of the most inspiring things.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have not seen it yet, so no spoilers.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just insane.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just love them.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  And so watching that was just,
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  it's just like,
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  again,
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  it just feels like it keeps coming up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so one day I want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: When am I going to have time to do that?
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but I know that the only way that it's going to happen
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  SPEAKER_01: is by small, well-placed chops over a long period of time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Consistency over time gets big, big growth.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's also recording more music.
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  There's so much that lives on the voice memos of my phone that
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  I wish could be on
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  SPEAKER_01: Apple Music and Spotify,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it's not yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And...
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  SPEAKER_01: Working on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a there's an EP out right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, epic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Under Seth Kaser.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's that called?
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: That EP is called Chapters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it came out two days after Dougie was born.
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  SPEAKER_01: The goal was for it to I'll tell the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: The goal was for it to come out before Dougie was born.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we actually put it out for publishing the day before he was born.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in one of the songs, there was a curse word and I,
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  kept going back and forth okay and i originally released it
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  with a curse word okay
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  and then i just decided you know what for sake of a lot of my
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  students that would
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  be listening for sake of of just what people can think
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  sometimes yeah these things
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  um i decided to to change that word and um so i took it down
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  okay and then we went
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  SPEAKER_01: in a couple days after dougie was born and re-recorded it
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  and um so the original is still out on spotify or not on
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  spotify on on soundcloud
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  okay sick i will be looking censored version and then judging
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  very quickly yes
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  please go for it dude that's awesome um yeah so i i think that
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  that those would be
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  okay my thing sweet all right and what's uh what's a question
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  you have for our next
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  SPEAKER_02: guest
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  SPEAKER_01: When you were a child,
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  SPEAKER_01: like 10 and younger,
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  SPEAKER_01: what was a form of creativity that you used to freely create in?
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, sweet.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to see who will have that question.
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  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: I love that question.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you asked that before?
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've, I've been asked that before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I, when I was at school of worship, um, at Calvary Costa Mesa, um,
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  There was an amazing teacher who was teaching a class called
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  Cultivating Creativity.
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  And that's how he opened up the class,
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  was by asking the entire class that question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And each of us had to answer it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the whole thing was, go back to that this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was your answer?
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  SPEAKER_01: Words.
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  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I used to talk a lot, a lot, a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote a spoken word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, epic.
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  And then the next week's assignment after that was to record
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  that spoken word over
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  SPEAKER_01: music that I had written.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I did that and it was sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for taking the time, my friend.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_02: The sun is now setting.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_01: The sun is now set.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's our timer.
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  And thank you for being so generous with your afternoon and
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  answering all my
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_02: questions and being vulnerable.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
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  this is like the reason I love doing this is because I learned
• 1:23:37
  so much about the
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_02: people that I already admire and care a lot about.
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  And then they're so giving and available and ready to kind of
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  dive into whatever
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  SPEAKER_02: investigative, like vulnerable questions I have for them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  so I'm just really grateful and appreciative of you taking the
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  time and being
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  SPEAKER_02: willing to step into this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.