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Missing Scientists Pt.2 · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's show, we're diving into part two
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[SPEAKER_00]: Scientists and other government officials that's been going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, holocult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said earlier, if you haven't listened to part one, you're going to want to go back and listen to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to get the first two wish cases that we talked about from these missing and murdered scientists and government officials and military officials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty much taken over all the media right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we talked about William a Coslin last week, and also, um, Monica, Reza, so you want to check them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird that got some weird diamonds with one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're not, we're not claiming anything, but we kind of are, we're just kind of trying to put the information out there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're gonna kick off this week with a woman by the name of Melissa Cassius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has been missing since June 26th, 2025 in Taos County, New Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was lasting walking alone on Highway 518 near Talpa around 215 p.m. wearing a light colored shirt, jeans, tennis shoes with a backpack containing some personal items.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cassius 53 was an administrative assistant at Los Alamosa National Laboratory, a facility
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're keeping track, this is four days after Monica Reza disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Close timeline there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Makes it feel coincidental.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Connected, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd definitely lean and connected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm going to go into a little bit of the case here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these have a lot of information that I could find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them not so much because people are continuously connecting threads as this keeping keeps going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, up to this point, I've got as much information as I could find right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that morning at 6.15 a.m., she drove her husband Mark to work at Los Alamos, both of them had worked there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told them she was heading to another location on site and drove away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By 7.45 a.m., she was back at their home in Rancho State, Teos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told her daughter Cierra that she'd forgotten her security clearance badge and was going to work from home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cierra didn't question it at the time, but another family member then brought up if she didn't have her badge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How did she get into the base to drop her husband off?
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[SPEAKER_02]: True story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also ironic that she works at that facility.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a pretty big, pretty big nuclear facility back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If she drove through the L.A. and L. security gate, she would have had to have her badge to enter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She told her daughter the exactly the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, makes you wonder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her husband Mark said, quote, She took me, dropped me off, and I told her I needed the car by around 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said she'd have it back by 11 o'clock as she usually does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Melissa told Sierra that she had decided to quote, either work from home or call out for the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after arriving home that morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing was unusual, her behavior wasn't different, nothing that caught me off guards here, I said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right when I was leaving, I always hugger by and say, I love you, and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was completely normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Serus says she left for work shortly after that interaction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Around 1230 p.m., Melissa picked up a subway sandwich for Sierra's lunch and dropped it off at the cafe where Sierra works in Taos Plaza, a business center in Taos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Serus said the two spoke briefly, and then she handed her mother a check to drop off at the bank for her and her mother left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in an email on behalf of investigators, New Mexico State Police, PIO Sergeant, Ricardo Bracita, confirmed the date line that the two spoke from between 1250 to 1257.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everything up to that point seemed pretty on par with a regular day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Minus the fact that she came home from work and told her daughter she forgot her badge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which she couldn't have because to get through the gate, I'd read reports to get through the gate, even though her and her husband both work there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The driver of the car had to have the badge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have assumed that you couldn't pass it over and say, hey, we're getting them in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have assumed that both people in the car would have to have a badge because I did think like, well, maybe your husband had the badge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it, I'm super probably so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably both had to have their badge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's what I would think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Took her daughter lunch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything just normal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra goes on to say she may have been a little more quiet but still nothing that caught me off guard because if she's running errand she'll run in and out and I'm just gonna be seeing her later so I gave her my check, she dropped off my food, she said I love you, walked out again, nothing weird, nothing her demeanor wasn't out of the ordinary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sierra hasn't seen seen her mother since that morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When 11 a.m. passed and his wife hadn't returned with the car, Mark says he figured Melissa got in busy at work until he got a call from her boss in the afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She says is Melissa okay and I'm like, yeah, she should be at work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when she told me that she wasn't at work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mark says he tried to reach Melissa after hearing from her boss, but was unable to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sarah says she got a text from her father at around 130 p.m. She says, quote, he was seeing if I was getting into in contact with my mom, and I said, I told him, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had asked me, can you text her and ask her if I need a ride home or if she's going to pick me up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sarah remembered, so I text her and I was like, I just text the screenshot to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She read it, so I assume she was just going to call him or whatever, or whatever that they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think I didn't pay it any mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, past one o'clock, she was reading text messages as she was receiving.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The last news show isn't responding to any of those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess we're Oh, man, because that almost makes it feel like somebody else had her phone It's fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks, man
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last known sighting of Melissa Cassius was approximately 45 minutes later, on June 26, 2025, at around 2.8 pm, a family acquaintance observed Melissa walking eastbound on New Mexico 5.18 from the top of New Mexico area towards Pots Creek, said Sargent, Bracita.
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[SPEAKER_00]: two-day line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The siding, which was about three miles from Cassius home, was also captured on security video from a local business, Kit Carson Electric Company.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's quote from the sergeant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has observed a walking eastbound on New Mexico 518, and wearing the clothing she was last reported in, when seen in Tazo Plaza, like color shirt, jeans, light tennis shoes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's difficult to tell
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her family thinks that she may have gotten into a vehicle shortly after she was seen on the video, which North, or New Mexico, state police investors describe as a possibility that's being investigating according to Proceda.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not any evidence of that up to this point that I can find, so it's kind of strange that her family would throw that out there, that maybe she got into a vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if she wasn't active in weird, there wasn't anything else going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a weird assumption.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, I can understand asking that question, you know, did she get in the car with somebody at that point and drive off, but suggesting it almost makes you feel like they know more than, yeah, almost like they're trying to kind of push the story in a particular direction, yeah, that's weird, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he would think that with it, you know, if people are really as invested in the story as they appear to be,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody out there's gonna find the video something something and that's somebody's already premeditated that and they're getting rid of the video Yeah, could be I wonder how I don't know how like what the land the land lay of the land is out in tails But like if it's if it's a big town or if it's like sparsely populated
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really go to Map Quest or Goop Map Quest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Google Maps and like look, but I think they said that the drive to Los Alamos was up, was a pretty good one, like 35 or 40 minutes from their home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're pretty good ways away, which you'd think Los Alamos being a nuclear facility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be in the middle of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'd think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it may be sparse out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There may not be that many cameras.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's also weird that, but that makes it even
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also where the multiple of these are from New Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Macassan was, she is, I think there's two more that we get into, which is strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So around 2 p.m. while in the middle of Rush work, Sierra began getting calls from her father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't get to the phone for another like 20 minutes, so it was 2.30 when I finally got to the phone, she said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw one of his voice mails and it sounded frantic or just not frantic but worried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mark told Sierra he still had not heard from Melissa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Sierra then reached out to her mother again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I text her and I was like, hey, Dad's freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why aren't you answering him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said my text didn't deliver at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Worried Sierra left work around 330 to go home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The door was locked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The car was in the driveway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw immediately that the keys in her work phone were on our kitchen table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, I just went and searched the house really quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While looking around the home, Sierra went to her mother's office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I found her phone, her purse, and her wallet, and all of her personal items.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, I'd clicked on the phone and it showed a factory reset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well as a factory reset on her Los Alamos National Laboratory issued phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had both been wiped, and that's when I got really, really worried.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bro, what the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy!
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy, because I was not expecting that at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because like you were saying her, text were being read earlier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not answered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then all of a sudden her phone is at home, but it's factory reset and the work phone her her you you would think though that national laboratory phone probably down yeah big security measures on that you would think so I was getting ready to say bare minimum it's got a password on it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Completely factory reset and the fact that it's factory reset is crazy and you're going to notice a pattern here holocult With McCaslin left his keys left his wallet left his cell phone on the counter disappeared her left all her stuff on the desk and the counter disappeared this will be a reoccurring theme in the these people that have disappeared Which is a weird motos operas so bizarre
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you, like, if you ran the direction that somebody was circling back and putting their belongings back at home, to what end with like, why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost because wouldn't it be better to just leave them gone to to make it look more like the person just up and left?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they just grab their keys, took the car, drove out of their lives, and never came back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many of them just took off walking on foot?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's even more bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have a car drive away crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on here, Sierra also found the cheque she'd given her mother hours earlier to take to the bank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sargent proceeded to confirm to date line that, quote, all belongings including Melissa's purse and factory reset phones were found inside Melissa's home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While Cassius was labeled as an administrative assistant, she was much more involved than that at Los Alamos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Department of Energy Records confirmed that she had served on the northern New Mexico's citizens advisory board
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[SPEAKER_00]: Los Alamos from 2022 and 2023 participating in the Department of Energy's meetings on legacy radio active waste remediation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: environmental monitoring and federal cleanup budgets at the nuclear weapons facility where she had worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her name is on official correspondence to the DOE Field Office Manager.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She sat in rooms were sensitive facility data was discussed because a lot of them tried to write this off that she was just an administrative assistant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's kind of in it more than just that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Los Alamos National Laboratory is located 100 miles north of Curtland Air Force Base where McCaslin once commanded operations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Los Alamos and the FRL share extensive programmatic overlap in advanced materials, directed energy, weapons, and physics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The New Mexico Defense Corridor runs from Albuquerque through Santa Fe to Los Alamos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: McCaslin vanished on one end, Cassius disappeared on another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, the timeline, four days after Monica Reza disappeared, essentially walked into nothingness once she was hiking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The New Mexico State Police investigation remains open and active to this day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No breakthroughs have been reported since August 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has still classified as missing and endangered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has not been found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, her job at Los Alamos, links her to McCaslin, who work closely with Los Alamos on national security
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[SPEAKER_00]: She vanished just four days after Razam mysteriously disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another name that could be added to this list happened just a few weeks before Cassius went missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So within a short time span, Razah, Cassius and this man Anthony Chavez,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chavez was 78 was a long time Los Alamos National Laboratory employee who worked at the laboratory until approximately 2017.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He lived on 37th Street in Denver Seals, New Mexico, one of the oldest neighborhoods in Los Alamos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The homes are prefabricated structures, a stem assembled from kits in the late 1940s by the Atomic Energy Commission to house workers during postwar expansion
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[SPEAKER_00]: His landlight records show he last made calls from his house on the evening of May 5th, 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not carry a cell phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On May 8th, when his friends and family could not reach him, Los Alamos Police Department conducted a welfare check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His car was locked in the driveway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Inside his wallet, keys, and cigarettes sat on the living room table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no sign of forced entry, no blood found on the scene, zero signs of a struggle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, all of his stuff left right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, homies not forgetting the smokes, nor is wallet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that crazy that this stuff lines up like this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes no sense of calling card.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they're being fucking hypnotized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or something just vanished out of thin air?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it makes no sense at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Zabado, or Zabado, yeah, Zabado, my bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Detective Zabado, lead investigator described the scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, there was no evidence of a scuffle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like he got up and left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Specialized cadaver dogs from Sandy, a search dogs, and Mountain K9 Corps searched his home, his sisters nearby property, and the trails along Pueblo Canyon, all searches return negative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His bank account activity ceased around May 5th, and he has never been found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl Buckland, a close friend and attorney who had known Chavez since childhood, publicly disputed the idea that he left voluntarily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He described Chavez as healthy and extremely mentally stable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Los Alamos Police Department issued two missing persons announcement mid May 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After May 20, all media coverage ceased.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a single local sub-stack article from Boomtown, Los Alamosas published June 25th, 2025, and remains the most detailed public account of the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, almost in the exact same, just weeks before these other two went missing, this man goes missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, retired from the same place Cassie's worked at or she went missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird that they're all around that
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[SPEAKER_02]: laboratory and it just so happens to fuck with nuclear stuff yeah yeah I don't know man it's like the the fun theoretical side of my brain almost just wants to be like because it okay here here yeah this is gonna be a wild dude this is what we're here for this is wild okay what if because all these scientists have been surrounded with like
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[SPEAKER_02]: So far, nuclear, knowledge, propulsion, stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what if?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, not saying this is factual, this is fucking wild.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what if there is something out there that is prevent like these people selectively had the knowledge to propel us forward technologically, maybe enhancing the ability to travel into outer space or whatnot and something out there is putting a
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because it doesn't even mean that these, these individuals are currently working on stuff in, in my out there a theory.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What of these people were destined to contribute to something?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's plausible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's out there.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely an out there theory, but no, it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacques Malay talked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: similarly about the phenomena that it polices itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't let humanity move forward too quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it does, I know I talked about it on the night shifts, so if you're if it sounds like I'm a broken record, this is because I've already said this, but if you read in, I think it's passed forward to McGone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about there's a chapter where
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[SPEAKER_00]: the phenomenon policing itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plasma scientists in Russia getting unalived by people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was one, the woman was walking, pushed this plasma scientists off in front of a subway, in front of a train, killed him, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said that she was no connection with this man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said that she was told to do that by aliens putting thoughts in her head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of two things, it's either the phenomena busting into to our thought pattern, or it's some sort of governmental thing busting into our thought pattern, causing people to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the only case of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another man walked into a French radio station with a rifle
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[SPEAKER_00]: going to murder one of the newscasters, not because something he said on air, not because not because he's being controversial, because this man in his spare time investigated UFO research was writing papers, all kinds of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man with the rifle said he was told by aliens
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even that the dude was like talking about it on the new station.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't spare time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not that far fetched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you just kind of think outside the box a little bit, that's something either in the phenomena wants to keep people from moving too far forward from knowing too much, which is crazy because that means the phenomena itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: has its own intelligence, like it's not just a gateway or something like it's not, it's not like, I guess for lack of way better examples, it's not like Wi-Fi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just floating in the ether existing, it has an intelligence to it, which makes it terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of does play
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would mean the phenomenon itself has the ability to like an accept and reject you into that stage so to speak at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: emotionally and psychologically manipulate you, which, which I want to be like, ah, humans are too, you know, we're too tuned in to be, you know, psychologically manipulated by some other source, but we can psychologically manipulate it and emotionally manipulated by other humans and humans are stupid as fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So something, a hundred million years of more advanced than us is definitely puppeting with our minds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, like even for me, to really roll that around in my head that the phenomena is protecting itself or narrating humanity's future is a pretty crazy thing to say.
30:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It is fucking nuts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy to contemplate the reality of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because it, it sounds like straight up science fiction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, we talk about aliens and fucking all types of cryptids and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it's crazy.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it may be even too full.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may be worth like, these people may be working against the phenomenon and against the government.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is even worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really hard telling because we don't know like the in and out of their work and what they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know the government is all about manipulating people, saw patterns getting them to do crazy shit.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it is, it could go away shit with one homie, he was the new zanker and he was just doing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was he had a hobby of looking in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what we do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100% crazy and do gets clipped or that attempt to clipped for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And once you hear some of these other
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[SPEAKER_00]: It, it lines up almost almost exactly similarly with what that crazy shit doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the next one, trigger warning, some of these are going to get violent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't go into a lot of the details, but there are murders getting ready to pop up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because up to this point, it was just disappearances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, now it's starting to take a turn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You, you, you, you almost feel like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're laying this out, you'd almost need to break them into categories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why did some go missing and why did some cease to exist now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost makes me wonder if there was, which kind of pushes it toward the... Can I guess to be fair, we don't know that the other ones aren't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are still alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it kind of makes me lean the government way because what if a shadow-sector-the-government
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[SPEAKER_00]: to work on something so so undercover so clandestine that they can't even let them know they exist.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a I think it's a extremely fair possibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the point where like you would set on the night shift, they have to be like in all in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to where they are completely dissipate, which is it's weird, like why leave?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do so many people leave their wallets and all their personal belongings, like a calling card?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what better way to start completely over than have no identification on you whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes both ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's create.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said that it's something that none of us ever willingly leave the house with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you always check.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keys wallet phone every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keys wallet phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keys wallet phone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're naked without any of the three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Monster energy drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'm for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I've sounds like all these took their monster with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're moving on to again, trigger warning, violence is going to become a part of these things from here forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: October 25th, 2025, we move to right-patterson air force base, which you all know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're here in your listening, you know what right-patterson's about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right-patterson is UFO central.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roswell crash went to ripatter some bodies went to ripatter some crashes all over the world go to ripatter some it's it's it's what area fifty one They want us to think area fifty one is is ripatter center first base
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[SPEAKER_00]: October 25th, 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob Pritchard 34, an acquisition project manager for AFRL's censored Dictrit developed technologies for air and space reconnaissance, surveillance, precision engagement, and electronic warfare space base sensors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The same technological pipeline that feeds the infrastructure or infrared detection work that another person
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[SPEAKER_00]: had his fingers in, which I'll get to later, but I had to do this one first, so keep that keep that in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These two are on the same pipeline with these sensors and space surveillance and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His job was managing advanced research programs that produced the systems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Pritchard, married to Jacob Pritchard, 33, worked within the Air Force Lifecycle Management Center for
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a finance specialist, her family described her as a working full-time and excelling as a mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another person, Jamie Gustadis, was operations research analyst in the 711th Human Performance Wing, also part of the AFRL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She grew up in Nov. Nov. Michigan with three brothers and two sisters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She graduated from the Air Force Academy in 2022.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She earned a master's degree in science and operations research from Air Force Institute of Technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She held a top secret SCI clearance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She specialized in mathematical and quantitative modeling for aerospace applications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these all are not slouches here either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the kind of person the Air Force spends a decade and millions of dollars on building and training.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had been out of the Academy for three years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On October 25th, 2025, Jacob Richard 34 murdered his wife Jamie at their home in Hubert Heights, Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: placed her body in the trunk of their car, he then drove to Sugar Creek Township, where he broke into the apartment of coworker, first lieutenant Jamie Gustasus, 25, and shot her to death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He drove to West Milton Municipal Building, parked in the safety exchange zone, opened the trunk so that responding officers would find Jamie's body and then he
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, especially if you think that the phenomena is manipulating people to silence themselves and other people within this field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So three people connected the Air Force research, conglomerate, gone within a 12 hour period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very bizarre backgrounds
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of outer space shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I mean you tied into rocket space engineering from in aerodine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of there's been already a few mentions of essentially military weaponry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's kind of circling an narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to like I know a lot of people like this isn't a conspiracy that's hard to do come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How did that many go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it I Can understand some of them Like we could even okay, we could even chalk this this batch up some somebody had a middle breakdown
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... did some really bad stuff it happens right but the things that you like the part of it that you will never justify to me is the fact that some of them just go missing but like we talked about it if it if if you throw in the theory like valley was talking about the theory that the phenomena itself could silence these people could could tell people to essentially silence other people
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[SPEAKER_00]: by a ways of violence, pushing them in front of a train, whatever, it's not that far fetched to not link to link it to these other ones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and in the fact that like these these cases right here, the ones you've presented already, they're they're
38:48
[SPEAKER_02]: They can be classified in two separate camps right now, because they all work so closely with each other.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the first ones from this low south, most sect and then you have this company where these individuals are like that, come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's way too close to be coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so far, all these ones that I've mentioned outside of McCastlin who disappeared this year were all within May, June, July, August, September, a six-month time frame.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, and that shit don't just happen either.
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever worked anywhere where say three people go deceased within seven months.
39:39
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not even a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I worked at Pepsi for a decade, and nobody went missing ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's crazy.
39:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange things of foot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a circle, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this investigation spans three Ohio counties.
39:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's being run jointly by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation and local police is across Green Montgomery and Miami counties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also investigated by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The FOSI is no, nothing to fuck with, right?
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not a base security.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not your local police department.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are basically the counterintelligence and criminal investigation agency of the Air Force, the unit, the handles counterintelligence threats, espionage, all those big bangers are looking into this case, which I know, like officer on officer violence is probably a big deal, but is it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make some wonder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.
40:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Make some wonder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Months after the incident authorities have explicitly stated that they have not determined emotive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no confirmed affair, no restraining order places, there was no documented history of domestic violence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The public record contains no explanation as why J. G. Richard
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[SPEAKER_00]: killed a SCI cleared operations research analyst and his own wife on a Saturday in October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Patterson Air Force Base is where Dallas Hardwick spent most of her career, which if you know she worked with Razor to create Mandaloy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a connection between Los Alamos and Wright Patterson,
41:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's not weird at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not necessarily to these people, but from base to base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also the installation where William McCastlin commanded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's where the government side of the Mandaloy partnership is also managed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's tying itself back into the first disappearances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
41:58
[SPEAKER_00]: From there, we move on to the man that I mentioned earlier, Carl Grillmar, Carl was an astrophysicist in astronomer at Caltech, infrared processing and analysis center, I pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The infrared processing intelligence center, Grillmore's science interests span many topics, such as exoplanets and stellar streams, which are remnants from ancient collisions between our Milky Way and other galaxies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He discovered dozens of these streams, with many named by him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2007, one of his most impactful full findings, he was the lead author on a publication that, quote, captured for the first time enough light from planets outside our solar system, known as exoplanets, to identify molecules in their atmosphere, according to a press release about the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grilmar was celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for his groundbreaking research in astronomy, including the discovery of dozens of stellar streams, uh, also the first detection of water signatures in the atmospheres of exoplanets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Life on other planets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For over 30 years, he worked at IPEC, where he worked on numerous projects, including the Neowise Science Data Center, where he validated data pipelines for hunting asteroids and comets that could impact the Earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, he was no joke, a well-respected astrophysicist, and wrote almost 150 peer-reviewed papers under his belt about astrophysics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He recently began a project to test new instrumentation at Caltech's Palomar Observatory for monitoring media impacts on the Moon's surface during an upcoming lunar eclipse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grill Mars' role involved testing new instrumentations and inserting that Neo's surveyor instruments performed their specific, or performed specifications to identify dark,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl was shot dead on the front porch of his home in Lannio, California on February 16th, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The perpetrator, Freddie Snyder, a 29-year-old Lannio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lannio resident was charged with the February 16th, 2026 murder of 67-year-old Caltech astrophysicist Carl Gromar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on his front porch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Snyder was arrested following the shooting and subsequent car jacking with reports indicating that he had previously been arrested for trespassing on Grillmars property in December of 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you heard that right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Carl had called the police on December 20th when this guy had trespassed onto his property carrying a loaded and now known unregistered rifle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: police came and arrested this guy on a weapons charge for an unregistered firearm, which trespassing with an unregistered firearm is a felony.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say it should be a pretty serious crime.
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's a felony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Snyder told him he was walking to the post office, which coincidentally is the opposite
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[SPEAKER_00]: Snyder, post office, grill more, different places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just confused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's confused all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turned around a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's confused all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So felony charge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, the judge didn't think that he was all that bad of a guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He instilled the penal code 1385, first time a finder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked beyond technical rules and circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the guy has released on February 5th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only to come back 11 days later after stealing his mother's car to shoot Carl in the chest and kill him on his front porch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be noted that Carl lived in a fairly secluded spot, meaning someone would have to purposely be on his property.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Seek him out, it's almost as if someone wanted this guy out of jail to finish the particular job that he didn't achieve on December 20th.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if two not smart guys, like us, see that pattern, how do these other people not acknowledge that pattern, other than being like Peyton, Peyton, Peyton, four?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely shouldn't be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's like it's it's either the biggest the biggest drop of the ball ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On a court system, which I we know that that that happens.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do that, but the dude was out for 11 days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And went back and shot this man in the chest who previously called the police on him because he was on the property with a rifle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of them cases where I feel like the judge should be held slightly accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some sort of accountability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because that's that's crazy.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to go back up here and see where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
47:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And like like I had pointed out Jacob Pritchard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the guy who murdered his wife and his coworker was working on sensors that were used at Caltech, the Carl Gromor was doing as his, all of his tech work looking for asteroids and shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it almost makes you feel like all these people are somehow linked to like space travel, which they, they kind of kind of sort of are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's what it feels like to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like in a, like in a compartmentalized way, they're all linked to like space travel, which is wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild to think about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy that they just keep stacking up and inner weaving themselves with one another, not right on the surface, but if you look into it, a lot of these people were
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[SPEAKER_00]: being funded by McCaslin's funds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That dude was over billions of dollars, and they just happened to be funneled here and they happened to be funneled here and the people that are working on and using those funds are happened to disappear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, one person works on this sensor and then this other person uses this sensor to detect asteroids and now they're both gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Along with the man who originally wrote the checks for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For you can wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably gonna in this one here on this one, so we have enough for another episode, but I don't I don't know it's so hard it's so hard not to connect thread Yeah at what point do all these things stop being coincidant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: whenever more than one person within a year goes missing from a facility puts their wallet in their keys and their cell phone on the counter and just walks out into the middle of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm never going to buy that that's just quinky think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bovers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Something's definitely going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know that I have the picture, but something has to be going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the the theories are I don't even know what my theories are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't I'm not gonna buy at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'm gonna buy like a
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[SPEAKER_02]: espionage, another country is involved in kidnapping and eliminating because in my opinion, if that was the case, you would think that means said country would have spies in all of these different companies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And somehow they have all put together the bigger picture
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[SPEAKER_02]: which the scientists involved most likely don't even know the big picture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this other country has and then starts systematically eliminating people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think that's a reality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's something else going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it were that, if it were like, because a theory is that either a foreign adversary government or a shadow sect of our government is taking these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The shadow sect makes more sense than a foreign government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Taking these people to use them to come up with technologies that they'll essentially use in the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, military defense contractor doing it or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are some of them getting murdered and some of them disappear?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's you would think you'd want all this information alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially guy like Carl Romar, who is in my eyes a genius.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right in peer reviewed astrophysics papers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's pretty fucking smart to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Well, and I mean, and you would also think that like if that was the if that was the case, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: they're working on this ultra top secret.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say that you would think at that point that none of these people would be expendable because all of these people would have to offer something outside the box of normality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe they're clipping the ones
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, like Steve's good at this, but so isn't Kyle or maybe they're not, maybe they're not directly tied to the main sect, but they have information that if it's word to get out that these
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[SPEAKER_00]: these people could connect more dots than we are, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Jamie, uh, Gustadus had top secret clearance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At, right, Patterson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean that like in that world, knowledge is the most nuclear thing that they could hold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is also a theory out there that the case that sparked this all off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: William McCastland, the Air Force general big head hauncho that just walked off into the New Mexico emptiness earlier this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a theory going around that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a higher intelligence agency has pushed all of these other disappearances and deaths to the surface, so people start focusing on them and taking their mind off of McCastlin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is also why now you've got uh... the president talking about it now you've got all of these senators and congressman talking about it it's it's big news now and i feel like that's a ballsy tactic though well it it is it is but it's also it's also legitimate tactic flood flood the search you know sure it takes everybody's mind off the initial the initial because it was getting a lot of a lot of press time right then
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it took the eyes off of the Nancy Guthrie case was McCaslin going missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody started focusing on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're like, maybe we should take our eyes off of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen all these other people that we're missing and we're murdered?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's still like it's up in the air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's another theory that they're flooding the scene with all these other ones putting it out there could be because it's all it's all major media sources that keep pointing out the next one like Daily Mail and sure, but still at the end of the day, there's still something that's going on true because there's motherfuckers in the same building going missing, so regardless, I just like it's a balzy move.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, dude, internet sluice are a lot smarter than people given fucking credit for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're a lot smarter, especially when you get a few of them assholes in a room together, I wouldn't count them out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They might be underdogs, but I wouldn't count them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of documentaries where these nerds solve murders and shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're people out there that are really good at what they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: they're really intelligent individuals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you're gonna want to tune in next week because it gets they're more still to come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have multiple ones here and some of them are so bonkers that you're just like, what the fuck is even happening?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm already kind of at that point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My brain's kind of bouncing all over the place trying to figure out what the hell's going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really leans into what Kyle was saying, like me, like the valet thing, or maybe maybe it maybe it's a concomeration of both the government and the phenomena shouldn't people out who knows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're gonna have to tune in next week for part three, the final part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my first, first multi-quarter of the while three feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if you've made it this far, I hope you would have listened to the first one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because you missed out on that information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're swinging back around with this information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're gonna wanna check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna wanna check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On that note, thanks for hanging out with us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope you all have a wonderful week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have top secret government clearance that Los Alamos, Kirtland or Wright Patterson, just keep your head on a swift.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just do it.