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Episode #1: Glenn & Pete · The Big O Podcast

• speaker-0: Alright, I'm not gonna waste an awful lot of time going through the whole thing. I already gave you the spiel. Okay. I'm bored. Okay? I've been in retirement for a while. Two hip surgeries, yes. Second one didn't go well. I'm not going through the whole thing again. I'm bored. I wanna have some fun. And so why not put a podcast together and go back and reconnect with some of my old friends and just have fun? I mean, right? Why not do that? So the question is who do you pick and as the first guest. Well, I did a poll. Most people wanted Larry Bird as the first guest. Now you didn't get Larry Bird as your first guest. ⁓ somewhere down the line, Larry Bird, I'm hoping, will be a guest on this podcast. But I decided on going with somebody that I spent an awful lot of time with, somebody that I thought was really beneficial to my career because he really pumped up a show. He's crazy as shit. There's no question about that. He's knowledgeable. He's emotional. Almost to the point where sometimes I really felt like he needed medication. Okay? And he might need medication for this podcast. So I selected as our first guest on this podcast the one and only Pete the Meat Shepherd. It's great to see you, my friend. speaker-1: to see you Glen. Unbelievable. And ⁓ you know the last couple of years you've been on my show, but I don't do my many times. And ⁓ somebody's gonna have to let Luna out that's my Scotty Terrier, otherwise she's gonna go back and forth and let me but speaker-0: I have been on your show, Steve. By the way, is that a dog toy, that pink thing in the in the corner, or is that actually something that you thought would make sense on a podcast that deals with men and sports? Is is is that is that what you saw? speaker-1: It was sent to me by the W N B A, so I thought it had more than But I'm sending ⁓ speaker-0: I'm surprised you're not trying out for the WNBA. I thought you would be one of those people that would say, Screw it, I'm gonna prove a point here. speaker-1: That will conclude the WNBA talk on my portion of this ⁓ no the decorative decorative artifact, as Robert De Niro ⁓ once pointed out in ⁓ you know Meet the Parents. Now normally we you can adjust backgrounds. Everybody knows, ⁓ I used to have my ocean and palm trees in the background on my show. Everybody thought it was real. But ⁓ I cannot do that right now. You are going to make sure that it happens that way. speaker-0: Yeah we're not gonna talk about W. Yeah, I'm gonna we'll speaker-1: Well even though we've talked about it today, you're gonna make sure that in the future it is ⁓ you know, Florida. speaker-0: We'll find some background for you, maybe ⁓ you know, some gay club or something like that. We'll have it in the background. So we'll we'll figure something out. Don't don't even speaker-1: I gotta I gotta throw this in. You just mentioned Larry Byrd. I gotta tell you something. He's down here a lot. I'm in Fort Myers. Larry's son, adopted son. Yeah. ⁓ Connor plays over at my buddy's house, comes over and plays pool with us from time to time. speaker-0: Honor. Really? Yes. speaker-1: Yes, I'm probably not supposed to say that when anyway, I'm not gonna say where my buddy lives. And Larry ⁓ was supposedly maybe gonna come by a couple of times. He's not he's living not far from where my buddy lives. Yeah, he's in Naples. So and in the near future you never know. You might you might see a picture of us. speaker-0: Hopefully we'll get him on. ⁓ he owes me one I I was the voice of his museum, as you probably know. ⁓ in Terror Hart. Not that he owes me one, he didn't know anybody anything, but ⁓ he's a friend and I'm I'm sure we're we'll get him on, trust me, but not out of the gate, 'cause Pete the sheet the Pete I almost called you something else. Pete the She Shepherd is our our first guest. So I wanna when we start. ⁓ speaker-1: Shit. about you first physically. I'm so I'm I'm proud of you. I know you went through hell. ⁓ not to mention you f you had a nice fall too a couple of years ago. speaker-0: Yeah, I had a phone broke my hand, two hip replacement surgeries. Yeah. speaker-1: But you look great. You look and sound great and ⁓ I pr you know, we both li you know, since I speaker-0: You lost a lot of weight. So the last time people saw you, you were much different than what we're what we're seeing. If people hadn't watched your show out of Florida, you've lost how many pounds? speaker-1: Like forty, you know, or something like something like that. Since I moved down here in t in twenty seventeen, you know, it's ⁓ was I I love it. It's just being outside, watching what I eat, all that stuff. You're exercising more, you're outside more. Every day is like a vacation down here. speaker-0: I'm spending most of my year in Arizona now in Scottsdale. We're back in Boston for the summer. We do visit in the fall. We do visit at ⁓ Christmas time. But when you're outdoors, it's three hundred and twenty days of sunshine, Pete. I swim every day now. You know, I go to the gym, you know, like four or five ⁓ days a week. You know, gym for me in the old days used to be a guy on the office. You know, I I never went and and even understood how to operate the machines. And I know how to do that now. So I have dropped fifty. So for those people for those people out there who have been mocking me for the pictures that are out there ⁓ with me right now, claiming that they are AI induced, they are not. Those were actual pictures that were taking me. Now, I must tell you, photographer did a flattering job with with my face. I must say But no AI involved in those photos. It is just fifty pounds of weight lost and I'm not done. I have thirty five more to go to get to the same weight I was in the sixth grade. Okay? That's what I'm working on. ⁓ sixth grade. So ⁓ tell people speaker-1: Is that when you swam nude ⁓ at your speaker-0: I don't we're not We're bringing up a lot of old stories, some that have never been told before. That one's been told a million times and it's perated a two million times. It's like nude in Hawaii. Right. speaker-1: It's like watching the contest episode in Seinfeld over and over. You know what's gonna happen, yet you still laugh at it. speaker-0: Yeah, you know what happens when you swim in a pool in the Y and the temperature's cold. So people want to know what happens. So and and we'll get into your the firing. Actually, Pete was fired once and he quit twice. speaker-1: No, no, no. Let's be fair. The third time was a mutual parting of the ways. And I was moving down here. I gave I, you know, I I who was ⁓ I still it was a mutual parting ways the third time. Okay. Because I gave my two weeks. I said we're moving to Florida. And I was still going to try to do the shows like we're doing now. I think if if technology exists, now they did 10 in 2017. Absolutely, it would have been really easy. I was supposed to, when I moved down here. speaker-0: Do ⁓ from anywhere in the world. speaker-1: There was talks of me doing the show from Jet Blue, the studios ⁓ over there, which is only two miles from my house. We're on it now. And ⁓ but now, I mean who needs Jet Blue? We can do it I do it from my house. But anyway, we digress. speaker-0: Yeah, I remember the old days we were licensing the big show for India and all these other ⁓ countries. Obviously it was a spoof, but you can actually do it now from India if you if you want. But keep to do it in India. Yeah. People wanna people wanna know what happened when you left Boston. Now don't give us every single minute of it. ⁓ I know you can go long winded and speaker-1: No, no. ⁓ my God. I learned from the master. speaker-0: You did. Okay. I apologize. It'll be the first of many apologies on this podcast, trust me. I owe so many apologies to so many people for fifty years. So give me just a brief of what happened. You left Florida. Your wife got a great job down in Florida. That's speaker-1: Well well no, she could've worked she could have worked in India. In fact, she works with a lot of people from India. Okay. Some yeah. No, she were you know, you know, she was head of ⁓ pediatric cancer research at Mass General and then ⁓ she had already changed positions for this other big company that she works for and then we found out that she could work from anywhere. So that's we decided to to make the move down here. It's just tired of the most of the way. speaker-0: ⁓ really? She's she she's doing things that is changing the world. Yes. And you're doing things that speaker-1: Just she can't tell y yeah, she can't talk to me about it 'cause there's all that stuff. speaker-0: I so you did a show with it with another guy down there in Fort Myers for a while and that was a pretty good show. speaker-1: ⁓ no it was. We did speaker-0: I remember looking at the reading book. You got you were getting some ratings down there. speaker-1: Yeah, we i ⁓ down yes, when I was down here with Craig Sheeman on Sheeman and Shepherd, we did that for ⁓ about eight years working for Beasley, but you know, they're going bankrupt. That's a whole other story. Let me get back to twenty ten. Sorry. The firing, right? 'Cause that's you said not go long winded, but you've already gone off track twice and it's not my fault. speaker-0: Jesus Christ, gotta deal with this shit again? speaker-1: By the I'm supposed to have the Brady's by the way, my Brady statue was stolen from me, theft committed. I think it was part speaker-0: And then and then somebody defaced it. That's what the kids do these days. They take statues and they deface them. It wasn't kid. ⁓ speaker-1: I know. Kids, it was Meter and a bunch of other I've talked to was on my show a bunch of times. Every week, every week he was on. Anyway, so it's twenty ten. It's ⁓ we never get out of six as you you ran late. It was my ten past six, maybe quarter past. So I come out of the studio. It was the night of the special election. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Scott Brown. And a little We just lost here in New Hampshire, but go ahead. ⁓ he did? Yeah. speaker-1: Scott ⁓ Brown What's wrong with people anyway? ⁓ I d and look, I just and so you're out. ⁓ I go out, open the door to leave, and Jason's there, and you said, We need to talk. ⁓ I didn't don't remember seeing you or Andy or Brett, our two producers at the time. I said, Okay, I knew exactly what it was immediately what was gonna happen. So they bring me into one of the offices, I go in there. with Jason and Julie Conn is in there, our general manager at the time, and she's crying. Mascara has run down her face a little bit. And I was like, okay, I said, let's have it. And Jason started to tear up and and, you know, it I I started to tear up. He teared off. I'm not saying I'm saying it was speaker-0: She was crying too. Crying in radio? Go ahead. speaker-1: There's been a lot of crying lately. And the outrage how people are surprised that radio is such a cutthroat business fucking amazes me. It amazes me. It's always been that way. No, it's worse now. Way worse now. speaker-0: ⁓ Always. That that's one aspect of the business that hasn't changed at all. But go ahead. I don't want you to speaker-1: So I so you know, Jason proceeds to tell me that, you know, this cutbacks being made around the company. And ⁓ I had read something about it a few months earlier. So much so, and I'm I remember going well, we'll get into that. But anyway, so that the twenty ten thing happened and ⁓ what was amazing to me, and this is the part I still didn't understand, and then I think you and I talked about it on the way home when I was driving home. I was living in ⁓ I was not living in the North End at that time. I had moved ⁓ to Hull. Hull. So I was living on the South Shore. And I remember calling you and you know, ⁓ I said what I couldn't believe was they handed me ⁓ a severance check and another check, which was for my vacation time. And then they said, We're still gonna pay your whole salary for eleven more months. I went, What? This and the I go, okay. And then they said, and you're still going to be able to collect unemployment. I'm like, really? Okay, great. I'm gonna play poker for a year and try to get in, you know. But I didn't I didn't honestly, I didn't understand why they would let me go, yet still paid my full salary, and it was a full salary, even though I was going through a divorce at that time, ⁓ for 11 months. It was unbelievable. So I'm thinking between unemployment, which a lot of that at the time went to ⁓ my mortgage as I was trying to sell the house during the divorce and all that stuff. And you know, I'm working full time I mean, I'm getting my full-time paycheck every two weeks. ⁓ playing a lot of poker online back then, poker SARS and full tilt and playing in tournaments, going to Parkswoods. speaker-0: When it's it's degenerate gambler. speaker-1: No, no. Poker's a school game. And winning some tournaments and being flown to ⁓ flown to Atlantic City a couple of times for tournaments. Yeah. After I qualified. This is before Black Friday and all that crap happened and everything else. But anyway, so yeah, I was just kind of living life and then ⁓ you know, I didn't get hired at ninety eight five. I ran my mouth like an idiot. And s have since reconciled that about a year later, but I was told that they didn't speaker-0: What that about when you ran your mouse? 'Cause I I remember it vaguely. What did you speaker-1: Because I reached out to people over the well f well well first of all, let me get back to twenty ten. So by the time I had gotten home or the next over the next couple of days, the first two people to call me after I spoke to you, Scott Brown was first and Bill Belichick was second. And I know Bill, even at the time on ninety eight five, which is still the flagship for the Patriots, I know He tried to get me in there. He wanted me to replace Tangwei as the host, but not knowing and I believe speaker-0: Bill though wait a minute, Bill did that? He thought that? speaker-1: Yes. You ask Jimmy Stewart that question, he'll tell you. speaker-0: He thought he could be the program he thought he could be the program director. speaker-1: Well, he wanted me to t he wanted me to at least be part of the pre and post game show. Okay. He was so angry that ⁓ what happened happened. All right. And he wanted to be part. Now, if my my understanding is Gary Tegman, what great guy, you know, I've no it's not about that. But ⁓ I guess one of his relatives, whether it was an in law or not, was a huge sponsor of the show. So that is one of the reasons why I never did not have as far as I and you you asked Jimmy Stewart will confirm because Jimmy's like, you know, when Bill called, again, this is sixteen years ago. So I'm ⁓ I'm just going by what I can remember conversation with Jimmy. So Jimmy said, Who's this who's the you know, the the ⁓ producer for Felder and Maz? And he said, Yeah, we had to really ask Bill some really intimate questions, you know, about W just to confirm that it actually was him. And then after like ten questions, th they they realized it was him. And then I was told speaker-0: ⁓ Bill hasn't called you about a position at North Carolina. Has he? There are few openings. I don't know if you notice. Jordan has Jordan called you? No, she hasn't called you either. Okay. speaker-1: Didn't work out. Yeah, he has never Yeah. No. I don't have kids. I I don't have kids so I don't need a babysitter. speaker-0: I'm gonna give we that some we'll get into that a lot, I take a weeks. ⁓ I'm gonna give you some information that I did not know until a few weeks ago. Okay. speaker-1: Jesus. Teased me with this about a month ago and I've been dying. speaker-0: Do you know the exact reason ⁓ why you were why you were fired. Okay and you are correct. It was a monetary thing that the company, Entercom, was trying to cut money, but there was a specific purpose that they were looking to make up the money. So they signed this deal with the Red Sox. It might have been the absolute worst rights fee contract in the history of radio or television. speaker-1: Can I can I jump? Did you remember do you remember how close this is when ninety two before ninety eight five came on the year, when that happened? speaker-0: We thought it was the Hold on. I I'm gonna tell you exactly. Okay. So because that plays into the to the whole thing. Okay. So the Red Sox negotiator was a guy by the name of Mike D. All right. Mike. Good guy. Yeah, really competent guy, administrator ⁓ with the with the Red Sox. I think he was a with San Diego for a while, and then we'll tell you what he ended up doing after that. So he's negotiating for the Red Sox. It is the greatest deal. of of of sports franchises ever made. They get two hundred million dollars out of a fucking radio station for a 10 year deal. Think about that. Radio. Not only was it the highest radio contract by far, not even close. So this deal was 200 million, Kansas City might have been four million. speaker-1: Yankees were only fourteen milk at that time. speaker-0: Were less than the Red Sox. Yep. And this was a higher rights fee contract than every other TV broadcast in Major League Baseball, with the exception of one, and that would be the Yankees. I I take that back, it might have been the Dodgers as well. But I know the Yankees was the only one that was higher than this for television. Yeah. And and everybody at the station, so you can sit there and blame Jason, you can blame Julie, you can blame all the executives. Every single one of them, including the the sales managers, ⁓ used to call them the weasels, but we'll we'll be we'll be a little, you know, delicate now in the podcast. ⁓ every one of them said, No. This you're gonna kill us. Our budget. Well, how the hell are we going to raise twenty million dollars every year? On top of that, they had to pay for tickets for clients. They did get a luxury box, but they had to pay for tickets for people for clients in the stands. Mike D. Did an unbelievable job. speaker-1: Can you let Luna out? speaker-0: What's that again? ⁓ let Luna out. Okay, hold on. ⁓ Jesus. Are we gonna have to do this now? Are we gonna have to dog? speaker-1: Didn't I get muted out? No, I j I I thought I muted the mic. I hit mute. I'm sorry. speaker-0: The reason that David Field, who was the CEO, and probably the reason that the company went down the shutter over the over the years, is he was fearful because the Red Sox came back to him and they had claimed that they had a deal with greater media. Greater media had ninety six point nine, that was W T K K if you remember. They became a news talk station. They were gonna convert that into an all sports station. Yep. Mainly an all Red Sox station of seventy five or eighty percent Red Sox. They came to David Field came to us and told us this is the threat we have. And they're on FM. They're a great signal at that TKK. And they're gonna put Mike Barnacle on and morning drive and Bob Newmeyer on an afternoon drive. And we all looked at each other in the room and said, Okay. What's what's what's the big deal other than that FM signal? We don't fear the Red Sox controlling their own sports radio station. We fear the the signal. And that was the first talk we had of trying to promote and get David Field to put us on an FM stick. Okay? But he ended up falling for the bait. Mike D did a brilliant job and convinced him. We're putting this FM FM station on the air and we're putting it on in two weeks if you don't pony up. David Field gave him two hundred million dollars. And that, my friends, was the start of the downfall of that radio station. There was no question in my mind. No question in my mind that that put so much pressure on that sales team. And what it does is those guys have got to go out and sell these three hundred and fifty thousand, four hundred thousand dollar Red Sox packages. They can't waste time selling hundred thousand dollar, two hundred thousand dollar packages for Dennis and Callahan or for the big show or you know for for Dale and and Numi or Michael Howley or whatever in midday. They can't do that. They've got to hit the nut for Red Sox baseball. That changed the entire dynamics financially of that radio station. I was told a couple of weeks ago by absolutely somebody who wouldn't know that corporate simply said. Okay, we're taking a beating here. This is a big nut for us to do 20 million bucks. We need to cut X amount of dollars out of the budget every single ⁓ year. Here's the deal. I don't care who you cut, just give me that number. So they didn't go and say, okay, how valuable is Pete Shepherd to the big show? Because I could have told them. Extremely valuable. Okay? Extremely valuable. And I think it it it shows me. And I saw it after Pete was gone. The dynamics of the show changed. Okay? It affected the show. Some shows are affected when somebody leaves, others are not. Obviously, Fred Tutcher is having no difficulty at all right now without a Rich Shirt and Leep. Okay. And Shirtonleb obviously is out of his element right now trying to do sports talk radio. Nothing against Rich, but he's a music and production guy. He spends more time coming out of the breaks. Talking about the group that the of the bumper music telling me who the drummer is and who her sister in law is, okay, than he does about sports. So you were a loss there. I think I just I'm gonna throw it out there. I think we saw the results when I got fired and they brought in Mike Salk. I think that had a little to do with the drop in the ratings there. speaker-1: But you see, let's get we can get back into that after because ⁓ that's the i irony. I had been brought back at that time. I am in our office with this fucking shithead. Which one so badly I felt so bad for Andy and Brett because he's sitting there, I'm getting ready to go speaker-0: Hold on. You're talking about Mike's you're talking about Mike Salk right now? Yeah. I I never met the kid. speaker-1: Yes, as but I'm doing I'm doing the I'm doing the big show that you had been fired. I'm that's the memory you I get fired, they bring me back, you get fired, I'm ready to do the big show. The last like real official big show. I think I was doing it with Dale that day, believe it or not. If I remember correctly. Now I'm in the office. And I'm in the office and Sock is sitting there with Andy and Brett talking about the fucking music. Like ⁓ here's what we need to do. And Andy will back me up on this if you ever hear him. I just turned around and I just went, hoping to sell your fucking house in Seattle. I said, because you're not gonna make it here. And I just got up and walked out. I I didn't give him time to read. I think he looked speaker-0: What was his reaction? In all it in all fair yeah, in all fairness to Mike Salk, I I think he was sold ⁓ a bill of goods. And I was fired because of money. I can tell you that. I was making four or five times what they brought Mike Salk in for. And that's understandable. I understand how the business works. If I'm not producing enough and my ratings aren't high enough to match the salary that I'm making, all right, so be it. That's you become a casualty. ⁓ but Mike Salk, I think his head was spinning. The people that that were around him that talked to me, producers that were there, said he had no idea what he was getting himself into. speaker-1: They were dreaming of like he was some god and I'm like, Yeah, are you kidding me? You didn't do that for our show. I mean speaker-0: But let me get let me we have have you noticed we have so much to get to and we're we're trying to cram it all in. Pete, we're gonna do lots of podcasts. You're gonna be back many, many times, and we'll be able to talk about a lot of stuff and get a lot of this off our chest. But I want to get back to that. That is why you were fired. It had nothing to do ⁓ Jason, none of those people on the floor. Jason had nothing to do with my firing. As you know, Jeff Brown was a guy they brought in, and I'm gonna reserve Jeff Brown talk today. Because I'm gonna let you talk about it down the road 'cause I know you have and not just you, but there are a lot of other ex EEI employees that I'm sure will tell some Jeff Brown So he was brought in basically to just cut everything. He was just a ⁓ bean counter. He was gonna cut everything. And so it had nothing to do with what you were bringing to the show. They wouldn't listen to me when I said what you bring to the sh Yeah, but he's only he does a flash. I no no you don't understand the dynamics of the show, the personalities of ⁓ when Pete chimes in in the middle of something, that is important to take the show to the next fifteen minutes. But they'd never understood speaker-1: Not to mention filling in for you, basically number one, when you were not there, not just vacation time. Yeah. Yeah, but no, but I mean you had other some personal stuff that happened in your family that I was happy to speaker-0: Yeah. I did. My daughter's doing great now. She's she's going to college. She's in her freshman year at the University of Arizona and she is a wonderful, wonderful speaker-1: You asked Sha Sarah, your lovely wife, when you got inducted, when I flew up to g to participate in your ⁓ inductions, the Massachusetts Broadcasting Hall of Fame. And then afterwards we had went to Steve's place at Dobbin. We had a little party. It was unbelievable. I had not seen I I had not seen your daughter. ⁓ she was with you well, she's with Sarah. And I just saw her and I just I teared up. I just started crying. speaker-0: With the big O card. She looks like her mother thing. speaker-1: how wonderful she looked and I I just yeah it was just it just took me back in a whoosh and I really got emotional about it ⁓ for the first few minutes. speaker-0: I g I get emotional about it as well because it was a very one of maybe the most difficult time in my life and I took like I think five or six weeks off. speaker-1: Do you remember when you called I mean you called in, I think you were at children's hospital at one time when you called in when you finally wanted to tell everybody what was going on and it was just the whole audience. I was hosting that day with I can't remember who, but I remember you called in, I think you were at children's and it was not a good situation to speaker-0: Yeah, she was at ⁓ the the baby was at Mia was at children's and Sarah was at Brighaman Young, both in intense both in intensive care. So if people don't remember what happened, delivery that looked like in ⁓ this was eighteen years ago ⁓ from February. ⁓ it it looked like ⁓ it was gonna be a normal delivery. I mean we were playing music, just partying in the room leading up to it, and then it turned out to be a speaker-1: That's right. I believe it. speaker-0: Total mess. And you know, Sarah started bleeding profusely. ⁓ It it was a mess. But I again, ⁓ knock on wood and thank the Lord. ⁓ you know, I I'm blessed. Everything turned out to be to be great. All right, let's get back to something that's a little bit more ⁓ speaker-1: Okay, so let me let me let me add this part in. So what new me so the everything you said, but l the one two things. One, people at ninety-six nine started approaching all of us, trying to steal us away. And back then they had that stupid non-compete clause in, but for those ⁓ hosts that were having the contract expired, feel free. I know several people that were going to jump ship immediately. ⁓ I think you know some of the same people ⁓ as well. ⁓ I think Dale had really considered it and some others. And why not? I mean, it's great to have two stations spike that's that's true. We wanted that, right? You want you want yeah, exactly. But I get went to Jason four or five months before I got let go in twenty ten. And I said to him, I was like, Jason, you know speaker-0: More competition. speaker-1: I feel like I could be doing more. Why don't you let me be a floater on all the shows? And I'll still keep doing my weekend show. I've got Patriots postgame on Sunday, so there's that. I said, but even after football season, let me do a Saturday or Sunday show. I'll work six days a week. I don't care. And I proposed being the float, everything else. It never came to fruition. After all, this happened in 2010. And the new me thing, and he had already ⁓ the new me thing didn't happen over at 969. So what did they do? They hired Numi back and Newbie did exactly what I had proposed. If I remember correctly, he was floating on all the different shows. Maybe not so much in the morning, but he was certainly doing middays and he was doing the big show. And I think he was even on at night, wherever they needed him, which is what I had proposed. And it didn't happen. I think ⁓ that's where Jeff Brown ⁓ I think, you know, wanted to put his thumbprint on the station and wanted no part of us, any part of the big show, left. I think that was a big part of speaker-0: Yeah, well ⁓ he did a great job of destroying it. There's ⁓ there's no question about that. ⁓ I I want to give that back to some of the the the the things that we did though yeah when we were at that station. And I have people ask me this question all the time. I tried to find the audio and could not find the audio. So my guess is you have had the audio burn somewhere. ⁓ you know, like Hillary, you poured the Clorox on it or did something. speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: The Tennessee Radio Station interview. So so let me let me set this up. So we get a call, it's like just before six o'clock. And ⁓ I I ⁓ Brett comes in and says Brett Brett comes in and says there's a a radio station. I my guess is they were probably one of ours, one of the intercom stations, I don't know. In Nashville, wants one of you guys to go on the air. speaker-1: Nashville. Yeah. speaker-0: To talk about the B C Tennessee game coming up on Saturday. This I think was Thursday in speaker-1: Yeah, it was a bull it was a bold, I think. It was it was it was a bold game. speaker-0: Is that what it was? I can't I can't And we all looked at each other and said, We don't know anything about PC. What are we gonna say? We don't really follow it. Okay? We follow the pro teams, we don't follow it. But Pete being the Mr. Nice Guy, okay, because Pete was always, I'll do it, I'll do it, teacher, I'll do it, I'll suck up to you. You want the apple on the table? I'll take care of you. So Pete says the should do it. So the next thing I know, we're done now with the the big show. It's about Ten fifteen minutes after six. I think he's doing this at like seven o'clock or whatever. He's diligently working in the studio and he's putting all these notes. So he obviously is going to the depth chart, he's going to the you know, the previous games or whatever, and he's figuring out exactly how he can sound like a B C expert. speaker-1: Not not the one beast, but I did watch the game. I mean I'm a cop I was But that night, but that particular because there was like a month off, remember that was the last year. It was a total faux pas on my part by it was a stero I I laugh at it. If I heard it now I do laugh at it. speaker-0: Because you did watch college football. Okay. So anyway, so anyway, let me get to let me get to the the the crux of it. So it hits seven o'clock. Pete gets on there. He's on the air with the person now. He's in the studio on the air. The guy starts asking him questions. Pete's looking around for his fucking notes and he can't find them. The notes are missing. And what had happened is when he left the studio at about fifty to go take a piss, the cleaning ladies came in and figured That's a golden opportunity Pete's got. I'll clean up his studio. She she disposed of all of his notes. Pete sounded like a total buffoon on this issue. And at one point you said, Geez I ⁓ I apologize. I I ⁓ I I don't know that much. speaker-1: I should have just hung up and said, ⁓ we're having technical difficulty. speaker-0: That's what you should have done. That's what you should have done. If you were smart, that's what you would have d speaker-1: I know, but I I was kinda you know, ding baddish back then so it speaker-0: ⁓ my God. And we played that tape when we found out we had somebody in Tennessee call us up and say, because we weren't listening to somebody in Tennessee calls us up and says, You gotta get that tape of Pete on that show last night. She made an idiot of himself. And we're sitting there going, ⁓ idiots, great radio, let's do it. Okay. And we knew Pete was thick skinned. He could take it. And so we started playing that thing. And it got so much traction. Pete, we were playing it years later. It was so good. It was just and I son of a bitch, I can't find it. If anybody can find it out there, well get it to me. speaker-1: After I quit on the air, I he's I I don't know who who was responsible, but because I had talked to Andy about getting that bit to put on my ⁓ and other stuff. He was able to come up with some other you know, like ⁓ old people hate the winer line, all that kind of he gave me some of that stuff in the past, but he said after I left, and when I quit on the air in 2012, and ⁓ he's like they burned everything that had my voice on it. Almost everything that had my voice on it. speaker-0: Again, getting back to what we said before, you know, that's what they do in radio. So I'm with you. I think that a lot of things have not changed in radio. It's a vicious, vicious business. Now, what has changed is this medium, okay, is taking away a lot of the radio audience. You don't have those long seven, eight, eight and a half, nine minute commercial breaks. People don't have an attention span to deal with that anymore. And you're not gonna hear those long breaks here on this podcast. ⁓ but some things have changed tremendously in radio. And ⁓ I I ⁓ heard this ⁓ from yesterday. ⁓ so EEI now has that afternoon show. I mentioned Shirt and Lieb is doing the the show. ⁓ Ken Laird is the the programming guy is also ⁓ part of it. He was a producer and a a programmer. And they have Ted Johnson on. Okay, makes sense. Especially during the football season. You want to have a football game. Football Patriots, as you know, occupies the largest piece of the pie when you're looking at what we're going to talk about on the show. Yeah. But Ted Johnson is off on Mondays when they do Patriots Monday. Now, apparently he was neither because I didn't listen that much last time. speaker-1: I didn't know that. from Ted Johnson. He was telling the world. Last time I heard from Ted Johnson, and I don't I I really with my job, I I really don't pay attention to the to the pedantic blathering that goes on with some of these fucking people because I'm so glad I don't have to deal with it anymore. When I hear Ted Johnson come on and say, I'm here because I you can't do my job. That is so I'm gonna tell you something, Ted. Yeah you do afternoon drive as the number one host for as many years as Glenn has done it as I have done it. Let's see you carry a show by yourself. Let's see you show let's see you carry a show by yourself, number one, which we've done many times. And then let's see if he carries a show as a number one host with ⁓ one or two other co-hosts. So stop it with your crap about ⁓ I could I can I'm here because I could do your job. No, no, no, no, no. No. I don't I don't know why you're there. ⁓ why he particularly is speaker-0: Well you want to get a football player on. I think that makes speaker-1: You could you could do better. You could do better. I loved him as a player. I interviewed him as a player in the locker room after they won Super Bowl. I was there. That's nothing to do with it. When when I heard that come out of his mouth like I I'm here because you can't do your job. Who the fuck are you? Who are you? speaker-0: Well, All right, Colt c calm down, big sexy. That that was his rant against Jerry Thornton, which made absolutely no sense. speaker-1: Jerry's my boy. Everybody knows that. speaker-0: He was disagreeing with Thornton's ⁓ premise. Jerry was right. Jerry was right. And and I've got Ted Johnson's stories, but got a lot more of these podcasts to do. So I'm gonna hold hold back on that one for for a couple weeks. But I will I'll say this it makes no sense not to have your football player on Monday when you're doing Patriots Monday. It's all four hours of Patriots program. speaker-1: Yeah. Why do you know why? speaker-0: Because he's doing apparently a a TV show. I mean, I again, let me apologize again. Second apology of the podcast, many to come. I apologize for putting Fred Smurless on on Patriots Monday to be part of the interview with Bill Belichick. I should have told Fred to go home or go do a TV show and come back tomorrow and give us your expertise on the Red Sox. That's what I should have done, and I apologize. speaker-1: Write that down. I apologize. speaker-0: So some of the stuff that they're doing right now, how could you do that? Even if you really like Ted Johnson and think he would be great as a football guy, okay. Even better. I want him to be I want him to be part of the quarterback interview on Monday, don't you? speaker-1: You would but is it's not a money. speaker-0: They ⁓ won't pay him enough. They won't pay him enough. And he's getting far more pay to do that T V show on NBC Sports Boston. And so they won't pay him enough. speaker-1: On a Monday on a Monday afternoon or Monday morning. speaker-0: Yes, they tape it Monday afternoon, the T V show. That's that's apparently the reason. Somebody told me that today. That's the reason. So yes, they should they're not paying ⁓ enough. But they look like fools. Yeah. Because you've got a music and production guy and a producer and a programming guy interviewing your starting quarterback on Monday and doing all your football programming. I don't know. If you bring in a a Tom Curran on Monday instead, or ⁓ you know, another writer, or you bring another football player, maybe that makes some sense. I don't know, but this makes zero sense. So a lot of the programming decisions that I see in radio now make zero sense. Now, for years, we were always questioning a lot of decisions that were made. So I'm not saying that they just suddenly got dumb. Okay, they've been dumb for many years, but they're a lot dumber now. And some of the stuff that they they they they do makes just no sense to me whatsoever. speaker-1: I'm I'm I'm with you. I sit there and it's and l it's because all these and you've we've talked about this before a lot on my show and off the air. Is it because all these companies are going bankrupt and they don't know what to do? They're yeah, as I think you said, it's like moving the chairs around on the Titanic. Yeah. You're not really doing anything. You're shifting bed. They're trying all this stuff. There's not a lot of thought going into it. ⁓ there's not a lot of promotion going in. There's making moves. And ⁓ you know, we have a a day's notice until you I mean, what do the sponsors think when all this shit happens? I'd be livid. Well, I you know, 'cause they should be told first. 'Cause I hey I when I was down here, it happened down here to me. And I you know, I left over money down here and ⁓ it was probably the best decision ⁓ I made and it was not a lot of money. It was all these companies are going bankrupt, Glenn, and they don't know what to do. speaker-0: I can tell Yeah, well they're all going bankrupt right now. and and they're getting killed right now by the digital community. But the funny thing is when I talk to a lot of radio executives across the country, because I still talk to a bunch of old friends that I have, guys that I used ⁓ to pick up the phone and say, Hey, what do you think about we want to do this or we wanna do that? They tell me there's no talent out there and I I think that's bullshit. I see a lot of stuff on YouTube, I see a lot of young ⁓ talent out there. That is yeah, unorthodox. It's a little bit different in what they're doing. But why not do that? Why not go and find some of those young kids who are maybe a little, you know, crazy, but maybe you can make something out of them. ⁓ it's a lot better than what they're doing now because you're right, all they do is they just move the the the deck chairs and then they dry other people. That's all the E. I've done. They just move people around. ⁓ let's go to Adam Jones. speaker-1: can't afford to hire anybody with it ⁓ it's it's just you know, I can I can only imagine the salaries at that level what nothing speaker-0: Salaries are a fraction of what people used to make. Exactly, you were you were ⁓ a a third piece in a in a show and you were making far more money at the time. And I'm not even taking into consideration inflation. Far more money, yes. You were taking far more money in salary than some of the the number one people are right now on on key drive time shows, unless, you know, you've got a reputation, unless you've You've built up a a a following. All right. ⁓ I want to get into a little bit of sports and we're gonna talk sports from time to time on the podcast, but we're gonna talk about a lot of other stuff. But we will get into sports. As I said, I'm gonna talk about whatever the hell I wanna talk about. Okay. So Follow a format. That was the reason they fired your ass. speaker-1: In two thousand what, so we go we're the the Super Bowl, we're in New Orleans, all that stuff had nine eleven, everything else. There was only one week in between, the whole Bledshill Brady thing, the dual press conferences ever. The bottom line is our first show, maybe people don't remember this, ⁓ and it was we were in a kind of for a station as big as we were, even though we weren't the flagship back then, B Z was. We were still put in a ⁓ I don't know, kind of an off corner. I thought we'd have a bigger I don't know, they'd give us a bigger display when we got down there. But I was just thrilled to be down there. I thought it was great. So the first show ⁓ was going to be obviously you, me, Freddie, and Michael Felder. I still still out there. There's a picture of it on Facebook somewhere. But the shows it's an hour difference down there. And so the show's about to begin at 110 or 105, 110. You know, we'll have the commercials. Where's Glenn? One fifteen, I start the show. One twenty one thirty. I call Jason. That's a you know his Glen Glenday. You saunter in with Freddie about Freddie was just myself and Fulger. I forget who else might have popped by. It was about one forty-five, which technically back home, back in the east, was two forty-five. And you said, and I quote, I forgot to reset my watch, unquote. That's speaker-0: The strip joint. Well it it's it's it's it's worse than that. It's worse than that. I forgot to reset my watch, then I asked Fred what time. speaker-1: Right. speaker-0: So of all the people that have known in these fifty years, he would have been the last person I should have asked, Hey Fred, what time is it? No clue. speaker-1: We're on Bourbon Street, but she's anyway. Okay, continue. speaker-0: All right, I I will say one one thing before we move on. I told you about the TKK story and they were going to be up in operative in two weeks. If they were, with all that Red Sox money behind them on FM, would that have changed history in radio in Boston? Would ninety eight point five and CBS ever gone on the air in two thousand and nine with the sports hub? Would that have happened? I don't know. speaker-1: I think it's an interesting question. speaker-0: 'Cause I think I think EEI would have done, even though TKK would have been on FM with a terrific signal, I think EEI would have been far more competitive because they would be able to rip the Red Sox now. We had a lot of people on the on the air that would be willing to do that. And TKK would sound like they're just kissing the Red Sox ass every day. And so even though they had a much better signal, we were on AM. ⁓ eight fifty, you know, where you went under an underpass and all you heard was you know, buzzing. ⁓ I think we would have been very competitive with them, if not beating them. Then you wonder if CBS is going to invest and say, Okay, do we want to be the third fish in the in the market? And I'll give you one more. You were talking about the floater. Mm-hmm. They made you a floater. Do you know who they offered that job to in a multi year contract to be the floater? speaker-1: Well I thought initially it was Numi and they they did hire Numi. speaker-0: Yeah, but they they they offered somebody it might have been a year later or whatever. They offered that job to Michael Felger. speaker-1: Yeah. I did not know that. speaker-0: And I remember I remember to talking to Felke about it. And I won't s because it's not fair to discl the the money for his source, but the money was embarrassing. Embarrassing. And Elka and the rest is history. So they could have had Michael Felger under a long-term contract at WEEI, and they could have had TKK sputtering, ⁓ kissing the ass of the Red Sox. speaker-1: Now wait a second. speaker-0: At ninety six nine with a great FM signal, but still not being able to get much traction, and possibly no CBS with a sports hub at ninety eight point five ever existing. Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life. Look at this. You know, you get back I was talking about the other Jimmy still, but that's okay. So let's hold on. What let's get into into a little bit of sports because I know people want to hear our opinion on it. Are you one of those people that is freaking out and panicking that Drake May has turned into a pumpkin? Are you one of those? speaker-1: Just the opposite. I I I'd say people need to get a fucking life. I I swear to God. I hear some of this shit. ⁓ you know, somebody I I ⁓ a couple of books. I can only take so much. It's it's it's to sit there for when he threw the third pass, okay, I thought he was trying to throw it out of bounds. And maybe he still was. I don't know. It was a bad it was a bad look. One can you imagine some of these people who are criticizing Drake May if they had to cover Peyton Manning his first two or three, two and a half years in the NFL? They would have had him dead and buried after after week two. I mean, this guy was a runner up for the MVP last year. Okay, he had a bad game. They're up ten nothing. He imploded in the fourth quarter. It happened. We saw Brady in his second year as well imploded against the Broncos one time in four. speaker-0: Four interceptions of the Bronco game, four interceptions of the Dolphins game that I remember down in Miami. I was there for that game. speaker-1: Look, it it it happens to the best of ⁓ it does. It wasn't it was a bad night for him. But this over the top reaction, and I'm not talking about the doesn't deserve criticism. Sure he does. But my God, this team's gonna win, I think you know, ⁓ let's see what happens with AJ Brown. But I was pretty impressed that they're up ten nothing in that environment and the defending stream is a completely different game for the first three quarters anyway. Then I I was pleasantly surprised they they you know they still they Was still without ⁓ Henderson at running back. ⁓ Ramondre Stevenson didn't fumble like he did the first two games last year. I I overall, a three point loss like that, okay. Did they let one slip away? Yes, absolutely. Might gonna overreact in week one. Did you have these knuckleheads this morning after the the Kansas City Denver game? Okay, first of all, Mahomes, no, against Denver at home. Never lost to them. And you know, Bo Knicks had a had a bad game. What, is Denver not gonna make the playoffs? Of course not. He had a bad night. speaker-0: But Pete, how about those people that I had to listen to, especially out of Denver all off season, try to tell me, well, if Bo Nicks were healthy, ⁓ you know, the Denver ⁓ Broncos would have easily won that a game against the Patriots. No, no, they wouldn't. Not based on on what I saw on Monday night. But you know, speaker-1: plays in the playoffs against three really good defenses, ⁓ San Diego Houston, ⁓ sorry the Chargers Houston. speaker-0: ⁓ my god, you old school man. Richard, Houston, Denver, Seattle twice. Those are five really good defenses. ⁓ speaker-1: They won them except for he went four and one against him and he made some in unbelievable plays when he needed to make that. Did he have the gaudy stats? No, but who ex who expected him to have touchdowns and three hundred yards in those games? I didn't. speaker-0: Great play up. Okay, take a place. I I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do the ⁓ you know the the Felger and Maz where I'm just gonna flip over to the other side and say it's all it's all negative. Okay. So let's try to look at it at some of the gray in between. Yes, I think he has proven over enough time right now that Drake May is going to be a quality quarterback in the National Football League. Now, were some of those numbers and some of the performances a little accelerated? last year that got him into that ⁓ VP category? Probably. And I think we saw evidence of that with those last five games in which he was or four games and then the first one here where he's playing against real good defenses. But he's gonna have to figure this thing out because these teams have figured him out. They know that the best thing that Drake May does is he thrives in broken plays. Broken play is down. He has great perception of the field He knows where to run. He's got great legs. He sees that lane and he takes off. He's got that all figured out. So they spy him. They can do different things to prevent him from freelancing out there. Force him back into pocket. Force him to go through those those progressions and those reads. And I think that these really good defensive teams are doing that to him. Certainly you saw it with Seattle and the way that they were blitzing him. They were coming from different angles. They were confusing the shit out of him. So he's going to have to figure that out or he's going to struggle. I I truly believe that. And like you, I I'm I'm not ready to close the door and I'm I think the kids got far too much skill. The kids got this is not Mac Jones, okay? Mac Jones was a little bit more NFL ready, but he didn't have the athleticism. He didn't have the ceiling that Drake May has. So we saw him, you know, turn into that pumpkin, even though people in his rookie year thought there was a second coming of This guy over here. No, it it wasn't. Drake May is much different, but he's gonna have to figure this one out. And here's what concerns me. Doesn't worry me. I'm not panicking. He's gonna have to do it for the next five, six, seven, eight, maybe nine weeks without his best receiver. The guy that allows him to stretch the field and make those twenty plus yard plays. How is he going to do that? So we're asking him now. To refine his game, figure out what's going on, because the other teams are defending him now. They're figuring him out, and you're gonna have to do it without your best receiver. How is he gonna react to that? I am I am I am really interested in seeing how it lays out against Pittsburgh on Sunday. speaker-1: Three points I want to make. One, you keep saying how these teams have figured it out. I don't know that. He may shred the Steelers to death on Sunday. I have no idea. I know Seattle is above average, maybe the best defense in the NFL. That's one team. Did you see any defenses out there this weekend? I sure as hell didn't. There are so many points. speaker-0: Well there were more points scored, I think, ⁓ Pete than than ever away. speaker-1: Who said that? ⁓ somebody on CBS sports line, I think. Predict speaker-0: Yeah. Who's the first five and make the play. Well that that person is that person is simply looking at the schedule, the quality of the schedule 'cause it's tough out of the Gate Jackson, but it looks like they may be pretty good. Though they've got a game, I think they're speaker-1: It's Cleveland. You played Cleveland, the team that they besides you know, just a horrific franchise. Let me let me make my other two point. Bo Nicks, okay. Bo Nicks ⁓ last year. Do people realize people crap all over the Patriots schedule last year? I think it was twenty ninth out of thirty one. You know what the Broncos was? Twenty eighth or twenty seventh. It was right there. It was no better. Very amazing speaker-0: Buff Buffalo's was easy too. ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah, but Denver's was right behind the Patriots as part of something. Nobody nobody talked about that at all, except for me on my show. Nobody brought up the fact nobody nationally during all of the playoffs weeks will talk about Bo Nicks and the Broncos playing a soft schedule. So all the Patriots play a soft schedule. Yeah, okay, I grant you that when it's all said and done. We don't know what a soft schedule is until the end of the season. But Denver had a s ⁓ had a soft schedule too. And nobody talked about Bo Nicks and all that crap. All I know is Drake Mae made plays in the playoffs and ⁓ Bull Nicks made a couple himself, but in that game, Drake May made more plays and that's why they won the game, particularly that scramble at the end, obviously. speaker-0: ⁓ okay. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I can't look back at those ⁓ five games, including the one last week, and sit there and say, I really feel confident that Drake May is gonna come out of it. I'm not saying that he can't come out of it, 'cause he clearly, to me, has that definitely has the skill set. Plus he seems to have the personality. When I say that, there is something about that. You've gotta ha you've gotta have confidence. You've gotta be a little cocky, you know, you've gotta Be a little full of yourself. Brady certainly was. Brady was the fourth string quarterback on this team, and you would never know it if you talked to him. It it sounded like he was the the first string quarterback on the team. And and that's what makes the great ones great, okay? So I'm not taking any of that away from Drake May. I'm just saying the next who knows how many weeks here, Pete, are gonna be a real test for this kid. And it may not define him for his entire career. I'm not saying that, but it might define him for this season, and he's gonna have to do A lot of this without AJ Brown, who I think the fit between those two is absolutely perfect. You've got a guy who leads the league in the last three years with 20 plus kill yard receptions, touchdown receptions for for long ball, and you've got the quarterback that last year was the best at throwing the deep ball. But guess what? Couldn't throw the deep ball this week. Couldn't throw the deep ball. They went to throw the deep ball. They confused him. He could not get through the reads. They came at him. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: That's what I worry about. Now you're right. Seattle can do that. Most of these teams they're gonna face on the schedule can't do that. Pittsburgh's pretty good defense. Pittsburgh will be able to do some of what Seattle did. speaker-1: pick off ⁓ they w they will pick off ⁓ Mr. Darkness there. ⁓ two interceptions. He's gonna throw two. And it won't be like last year. Remember last year in game two, Ramondre Stevenson fumbled eight thousand times. I wanted him. That's what he's wanted. So and they were still in the game. They still had a chance speaker-0: I do. ⁓ You over so you over you overreacted, as usual. speaker-1: ⁓ no, no, no. No, because it wasn't the first time that it happened. He fumbled against the Raiders in that horrible loss last year in week one a couple of times. He had like five fumbles in two games. But I also had back in the day, remember, ⁓ and you were you know, there was a time where Kevin Falk was just had a bad before two thousand one. In the in ninety nine and two thousand, i he had he was playing a lot of special teams, fumbling, everything else. He really found himself. after that, but ⁓ people were calling for him. Why is Kevin Fock on the team? Why is and then it, you know, what do we know? It's it it it ends up being one of the best guys I think ⁓ that we ever interviewed and one of my favorite Patriot players of all time ⁓ in the end. He was ⁓ he's fun wanted him gone. Do you remember we were down there from the Miami game in ninety nine or two thousand it was a horrible, horrible day it was before Bledson was still playing, it was before Brady. speaker-0: Needs to get it speaker-1: And we ⁓ Don Shul, we were staying at Shula's and we had Don we had coach on with us, remember? Yes right before the game. And that game was as bad a game as Bill Belichick had coached that I had ever seen. It was like it was terrible. I think they l and it was like sixteen to seven. They lost or some ridiculous they could not get out of their own way. It was horrible. Kevin Falk fumbled like twice, once on a kickoff, once ⁓ carrying the ball. But hey, you know speaker-0: You're right. That was a a a fun trip. So yeah. We had hooked up with with Don Schuler, the Patriots who were playing Miami. And we're going down to Miami. And so we came up with the idea of Schul's got his own hotel, resort. He's got his own restaurant. And maybe we could work something out, you know? And we were able to, you know, the weasels were able to do their job. I congratulate them. Again, they'll get a lot of applause on this ⁓ on this podcast, but they were able to work it out. So we get down there and holy shit, Don ⁓ Shula is with us like the whole time. Like Shula's with us in the restaurant. We have dinner with him the night before. Then he comes on the show the next day. And then he, you know, he goes to the room and he tucks Pete into bed at like every it was like our best friend. And it was it was a it was a a a real ⁓ fun trip. You know, I look at I look at ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: The flip side of that and I was thinking a lot about it this past week as I'm sure you were and everybody else was, when we were looking back at twenty five years later, of nine eleven, which to me was the most devastating day in in my life. I mean to see us attacked like that, to see that many people perish and ⁓ first responders who ⁓ didn't think of their own life were willing to go back into the Trade Center and save people and You know, we s we saw the the the whole Wells tribute with ⁓ with Boston College last week and that phenomenal story of how he went back in there and he might have saved eighteen or twenty people. It's amazing. And our whole world in sports came to an abrupt halt on nine eleven. From that point on, we became a nine eleven like news talk station for like two weeks. And It was really kind of out of our element. Yet on the other hand, I don't think it really was that much out of our element. And then we had a lot of journalists that were involved in the show. And if you can cover sports, you can probably cover news as well. We were all human beings. We all felt the emotion. So we all knew what we had to say. So we kind of became the the voice in Talking to people and being able to communicate back and forth about what we were all feeling. I thought we did a pretty good job with it. Okay. Would I say that we were perfect? No, we weren't perfect because we were thrown into an imperfect situation. But I think overall we did a damn good job of it. So now we're done. We go back to sports. speaker-1: Can I just say this? Let me just expect because I want to give you the ultimate praise. I I said this to you before. I have ⁓ besides going back and forth twice before finally getting in the workers, I couldn't get a hold of anybody after their things were done. It was a B line of people getting out of Boston. I was living in Weymouth at the time, and I was trying to get a hold of Jason. Every every line was busy. I'm like, are we coming? And then finally got a hold of him. He's Yeah, come in. And I think we went on earlier that day than normal. and ⁓ it's just you and I and we weren't even sure we're gonna be allowed to stay in our building at the New Balance Building 'cause it was what, six stories? And they were not allowing speaker-0: People in tall buildings. Yes. People forget about all of the different restrictions. The airline traffic gets stopped around the most of the world. speaker-1: Yeah. But let me just dismiss. So I I will say this. I've I was never, and I've said this to people before. I was talking to people ⁓ at my new job as down here. but if they were like, Well, where were you? I said, Well, I was on the air back in Boston. I said, But I have never ever been more proud to be part of ⁓ the broadcast with you, not only that day, but for the couple of weeks after that. And if there was ever an award that should have been given out to you. For how you handled it. I'll never forget it. Locally, regionally, nationally, it didn't matter. Nobody did a better job than you, Glenn. Nobody. And we had friends, remember the Red Sox were playing the Yankees. We had friends flying back. ⁓ you know, I saw McAdam, I think Buck, right? speaker-0: Sean Sean did a whole whole story about the whole his situation when the air was shut down. I just saw it again this week. It was it was it was great on but on speaker-1: We had we had Sean on, we had Buck on, we had people a lot of people think we're all idiots and we don't we don't it's just sports and we're no we had a lot of smart people on our guests that we got, and praise to you and ⁓ everybody, Andy and Brett, the guests we had on were phenomenal. They were better than any news talk show I had heard. They were better than you can see on television. It was well it was unbelievable. It wasn't people like a couple of our hosts, not me, but others. who overreacted, wanted to do this, that and the other thing without having all the facts. ⁓ you did a marvelous job. You should have gotten some kind of an award. speaker-0: So I I thank you. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you for the accolades. And if you want, I would call the Boston Globe right now. I'm sure they're willing to give it me the award twenty five years later. Yes. Globe always loved me, so I'm I'm sure we could get something out of it. The reason I I wanted to bring this up is that about a month later, Sports Illustrated did a front and this is when Sports Illustrated now people in two thousand and one had clout. Okay? They don't have clout now. They are a a waste of time. speaker-1: That wasn't an ad magnification. speaker-0: Yeah, they clout them. They did a front page piece of how all the sports talk radio stations in the country handled this. And I start reading the story. And you know, in Denver, they did such a wonderful job. And in Chicago, they were passionate. And then in New York they did this. Then I read the Boston version, and for some reason, they featured us with some of the large pictures. So they had my big fat face right up there. And showed it and they said, but here in Boston, they were Islamophobic. And I'm going, What? And at that time I really didn't even know the word, which obviously we know it now, we've known it for for many, many years. And they were claiming that the host of the show, Glenn Ordway, came on the air and he said, Here's what we should do. We should go blow up the entire Middle East. And turn it into a parking lot. Okay. Now I'm reading this and I'm going, holy shit. I I I I never said that. Absolutely never said that. I called me and said, What the fuck is this? So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna exaggerate and say that I got death threats. I didn't get any death threats. I didn't get any of that. I got lots of mail. Okay. None of it from the Boston area. Because the people in Boston knew how we handled it and knew we didn't go off the deep end. Okay. ⁓ but I was getting letters. across the country and it was almost like it was a campaign. Some of them seemed like they were very ⁓ similar. So I said, I gotta do something about this. So I go to the station, I go to station management, and I say, I gotta do something about this. I gotta get an apology from Sports Illustrated. I never said that. But and I'll tell you in a in a in a second, somebody did on the air. Now Pete knows Pete's one of the only few people that know the story because I kept this story very quiet. Very quiet. speaker-1: I was drawing the show with ⁓ you. speaker-0: Right. I I I couldn't get the the company to have lawyers to support me to put pressure on sports illustrators. No, they mention they mention EEI in there. So maybe you should protect your your own property. Nah, it's you. We're not worried about. So anyway, I get my friend Howard Wayne, ⁓ God rest his soul, ⁓ lawyer, and he handled the case for me and he did it on the cheap for me. Because he knew I wasn't getting support for the company. So we sued Sports Illustrated. We got all the tapes, gave him the tapes. Now, again, remember, I know somebody in the show said it. So I know and I was a little bit concerned of giving up the tapes that they were going to listen to the tape and find out the person that did say it. And I was, in essence, he was going to get ratted out, and I did not want that. But my lawyer said. Don't worry about it. This story will go over and we don't even have we won't even have to reveal it if they know it's not you, because that's what the lawsuit is about. I said, okay. So we go through the whole thing. These dumbass lawyers at Sports Illustrated, you wonder why they're in trouble now. The dumbass lawyers spend days with lawyers listening to the tapes. They must have just been listening to my voice and not listening to anybody else. Because somebody else did utter it. They came back to us a week later and said, Yeah, you're right. We were misinformed. Somebody gave us bad information and it was never said by Glenn and we will issue an apology. I said, ⁓ great. Send to my lawyer. That's that's terrific. We weren't looking for money. I just I want these letters to stop. Yeah. And these people cause they're crazies out there as you know. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I will tell you now who that person was. It was Michael Felger. Yes. Now Falgar, as people know, is very liberal, very progressive. Michael was caught up in the emotion like everybody else was. Michael wasn't being a mean person or whatever. He was just sitting there going, ⁓ my God, we're looking at this and another plane is going into the town. Just to blow up the the Middle East and turn it into a parking lot. But Falge never got called out on I guess I'm calling him out on it now, maybe. I don't know. speaker-1: But he's the one that killed him. And I knew it I knew he didn't mean ⁓ look, it I knew he didn't mean it that way. I mean he cut like you said, he got caught up in the emotion and he wasn't the only one because we got calls that so that backed him. I remember we said Falker's right, blow up the Middle East. Get our facts together for. speaker-0: I think at the time Right. And I think my reaction to Felgar at the time was ⁓ Felgi, you know, let's you know, calm down or something like that. Yeah. Wasn't I didn't say much. I I didn't want to make it ⁓ you know an emphasis on on the show. But two things after that. I get my apology in Sports Illustrator the next week, and Pete will attest to this. You needed a fucking magnifying glass. To be able to read. They literally, literally took the font and took it down by about eight sizes. So the rest of the print in the whole page was like full in this tiny little speaker-1: And what did it say? Retract what did it say? Apology. It didn't even say apologies. speaker-0: Apology. No apology. It just said no, it didn't even Pete, it didn't even list my quote, the so called quote that they attributed to me. It basically said a quote that was attributed to Glenn Ordway ⁓ in our issue last month was ⁓ was not true or you know, it was inaccurate or something like that. That's it. That was all I got. And finally I go back, call my lawyer right after that and I speaker-1: I forget what you turn. Suit ⁓ again. speaker-0: This is c we should have sued them for fucking money. What were we doing here? And he said, just drop it. You're not going to get anywhere with them. So Howard said, Let me talk to the lawyers and let me see what I can find out for them. So he calls the lawyers and he the lawyers again, these are clown lawyers. He gets into a conversation with the lawyers and he said, Do me a favor, give me the information of where you came up with, where Sports Illustrated came up with the idea. That Glenn had made that statement. And they said they said they said we have what we call ⁓ watchdogs in every city in the country. What's a watchdog? Well, the watchdog is a guy that kind of keeps their eyes and ears open. And if they hear or see certain things, radio, TV, maybe in life, they let us know. And we go and dig and get that story. So my lawyer Took a gamble. He said, Really? So you have like a watchdog in Boston that does all of this? And he said the lawyer said, Yeah. And he said, Who is it in Boston? Figuring they'll never reveal the guy. This lawyer didn't waste a second. ⁓ in Boston, it's Ron Borges. speaker-1: Unbelievable. On speaker-0: So Ron Borges ratted me out with something that I never ever even said. Now, as we found out, Ron Borges had trouble recognizing voices because he couldn't recognize Don Yee's voice, or if you remember that. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: They couldn't recognize Felger's voice versus my voice. I mean, Ron Borges, who was part of the show, he was one of the co-hosts. Sports Illustrated told us he was the guy who claimed that I had said, Let's blow up the entire Middle East and turn it into a parking lot. speaker-1: After we defended him, and even though I had my issues with Ron later on, but that, you know, we all know the Hideki Matsui thing and the fat chap comment that he made instead of saying fat puzzle. He was trying he misquoted George Steinbrenner. He was innocent. He misquoted him. We defended him, at least I did. I was like, I he d he's not that way. He's not being racist. It just came out the wrong way. That kind of thing. That got all blown out of proportion. The globe people wouldn't let their writers on the air with us for, you know, what on whatever it was, all that crap. But we defended him back then, apparently It didn't ⁓ didn't speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, I think Ron was getting paid from Sports Illustrated. Hey, it's all about the bench rooms. So he was getting paid by Sports Illustrated. I never asked Ron. We're gonna get Ron on one of these podcasts because I want to ask him how much he got paid to rat me out. Okay? Huh? As the Godfather would say, Hey, you rat me out? ⁓ listen, what do you say you become kind of a regular here? Pop in every week. What do you think? speaker-1: I'd love that. Yeah, I'm I I I've got time. Look, ⁓ it's those of you who don't know you've seen how much speaker-0: You've got time too. I love that line. I've got time, you know. Especially making a salary. speaker-1: But you're not retired. I'm making, yeah, a good salary. I love it. I love my job. I'm a I'm a new executive. Well, it's been almost seven months now, but I'm a new executive casino host at Seminole Casino in Mokley. And ⁓ it's not the biggest casino in the world, but it's great. And I have over four hundred and fifty guests that I take care of, many of them from New England, many of them ⁓ who have recognized me. I use my real name. No, as opposed to Shepherd, which from Italian Peccararo means from Italian means Shepherd. I don't care who knows it. No, it doesn't really matter to me. I only kept it Well the only reason why is because in broadcast when I was in broadcasting school at C S B, Hollow Framer, by the way, me and Michael Adams, ⁓ Mikey Adams, ⁓ it was just easier for the teachers to remember than say in my real last name. So I just kinda stuck with it. Well, you didn't. You speaker-0: Everything today. Everybody does it in radio. Moskowitz, my last name is Moskowitz. You're wrong. speaker-1: Your biggest gripe to everybody. And you used to get semi-irritated, is because people will forget the last N in Glenn. It's two N's two N. speaker-0: ⁓ it pisses me off. It's two ends. Either that or I should ⁓ you know, sit here and say to my mother, why did you do this to me? Everybody wants to do it with one ⁓ hand. Well, listen, if anybody's in the area, you should go down, you should ⁓ visit Pete. Pete has sent me some some pictures. He has a a a cushy job. He takes these people like sporting events, sits in luxury boxes. It's like what she job. So speaker-1: Some sometimes, but yeah. speaker-0: I I had already talked to Pete about this before and he wanted to be a regular and I thought we 'cause we want to ramp this up thing eventually to five days a week. To do that, we have to have some regulars and Pete is going to be one of those regulars. So Pete said to me, I tell you what, I've got some great ideas for features that I think that we can we can use when ⁓ I'm on the show and I said, Well good, good you know, let me know. And he goes, I'll speaker-1: It's inside stuff. It's in like you said, it's it's not gonna be a lot of X's and No's. There'll be some of that, but it's gonna be about inside radio stuff that f finally we can talk about. I talked about it a little bit on when I was doing my podcast for the last couple of years from my house and had you on, we'd go over some of these same stories, but speaker-0: But now we're hitting people and yeah. And so anyway, yeah. and then ⁓ Pete said, I'll I'll send you a video. I got I I got a great idea. And so Pete did send me this video. speaker-1: Hey good morning everybody. This is ⁓ Pete Shepherd from Sheeman and Shepard. It's gonna be a new feature called Breakfast with Pete. See how long this lasts, or if I remember to do it every day. But we're gonna check it out. ⁓ it's about ⁓ seven twenty-one in the morning. Twenty seventeen. ⁓ almost an hour. My dog ⁓ I'm trying to do this. Let's charge. speaker-0: See hi, Jara. She's dead. Okay. I I think I've seen enough. No, Pete rejected. And the worst part about it is Pete goes on to tell us how he cooks bacon. Like I give a shit. How how many different ways can you cook bacon? speaker-1: No, I did that. So the thing is I had a bet with somebody at ESPN ⁓ down here, the station I was working at, that I couldn't get a bunch of views. I really wanted to make a peanut butter. I said, watch how stupid people are to view me. Not stupid, but watch how I should say loyal. Watch me make a ⁓ I'll make a peanut butter jelly sandwich. I'll bet you I get a few thousand hits. I didn't do it, but I mean that was it was a it was a dare to do that kind of thing. So I didn't do that. I said that one time. ⁓ speaker-0: All right, so you you presented that, you know, pe breakfast idea, rejected. We're not gonna do it. All right, Pete. We'll we'll see you next week. We'll see you next week, buddy.