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Normally Podcast: Woke 2.0 Is Here: Vivek, Political Hypocrisy & the Return of Identity Politics · Normally

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on Normally, the show with
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  Speaker 1: normal-ish takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Hamm.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary Catherine?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. We made it through a rainy
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: weekend here. I know you don't experience these things. We
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: got the tail end of the Nor'easter, apparently, down here.
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  Speaker 2: Was it okay by you guys?
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were fine, but I was out, like, planting
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  Speaker 1: plants because I thought that would be a good idea
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I was just getting rained on.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: We've had today's our third day in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Of no rain.
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  Speaker 3: I think our producer, John, probably doesn't want me to
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  Speaker 3: jinx it. But it's it's, you know, September is a
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: really tough month in Florida. We're almost at the outside
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 2: You guys will make it. I believe in you.
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: Do you have any Halloween couple ideas for us? We
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  Speaker 3: don't really dress up, but our adorable block has started
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  Speaker 3: having Halloween parties and we feel like we kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to. And you're the queen of this.
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  Speaker 2: Let me brainstorm this for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because I will come up with something for you guys.
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  Speaker 2: I can do that.
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  Speaker 3: My neighbor, we're friends with this couple that are our neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: The husband was Sidney Sweeney last year from the American
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  Speaker 3: Eagle Ed. And he's like, I kind of want to
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  Speaker 3: be Sidney Sweeney again, but it's a lot harder this year.
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  Speaker 2: It's trickier.
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  Speaker 1: It's trickier. yes we are we are currently evaluating our
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  Speaker 1: decisions for halloween you.
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  Speaker 3: Guys bring it really well the big girls.
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  Speaker 1: Have gone rogue though so i can't i cannot do
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  Speaker 1: as much as i used to do which is fine
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  Speaker 1: i want them to be able to construct their own
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  Speaker 1: their own dreams and visions um so i don't know
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  Speaker 1: i gotta psyop the little two into.
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  Speaker 3: Doing it with me i guess My middle son, also
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  Speaker 3: very rogue, and every year he has to explain to
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  Speaker 3: us in a three-page paper what his costume's all about.
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  Speaker 3: But this year, I mean, him and his friends were
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  Speaker 3: thinking about a lot of things, but possibly Last Supper.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if he's Jesus, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's... That's a lot of friends, so, like, kudos for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they have a big crew that is going to
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  Speaker 3: do some extremely dorky costume like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right. I mean, I guess if we have to
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  Speaker 3: talk about politics.
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  Speaker 2: I think we do.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Well, this was a wild little weekend on
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  Speaker 3: the old X platform. A couple of things. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: there's this like anti Vivek Ramaswamy movement, and it is
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  Speaker 3: from a fairly racist perspective. But it got kind of
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  Speaker 3: taken up by people who are just like, arguing that
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  Speaker 3: he's not good enough to be the governor of Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to say very clearly, I was a
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  Speaker 3: very anti Vivek person during the presidential primary. I thought
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  Speaker 3: he's not actually a Republican. I don't see him as
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  Speaker 3: a conservative at all. Um, he has a lot of
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  Speaker 3: kooky ideas. He had a lot of crazy people around him.
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  Speaker 3: He had, you know, multiple people saying questionable things. Um,
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  Speaker 3: having said all of that, if I'm in Ohio, I
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  Speaker 3: vote the crap out of him. Um, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how people have lost the plot, but not that long ago,
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  Speaker 3: Democrats were in charge of a lot of things and
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  Speaker 3: things were going far poorer than they're going today. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that it's left to me to defend people
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  Speaker 3: like Vivek or like Donald Trump. But here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm basically with you on Vivek having having been
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  Speaker 1: quite annoyed with him at various points when he's run
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  Speaker 1: for things in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting to try to figure out what is motivating voters
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  Speaker 1: right now, because I do think there's a sense that
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration is like distracted and.
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  Speaker 2: Is not caring about the things that are that are
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  Speaker 2: bothering them.
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  Speaker 1: I think for me, I look around and I go, OK,
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  Speaker 1: the the the proposition was border under control. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Prices, cost of living dealt with.
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  Speaker 1: And then a lot of people were like into the
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  Speaker 1: no new wars, although I didn't think that was his all.
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  Speaker 3: I did not see that as Trump's like at all
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  Speaker 3: projected policies. I don't understand why they got that. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: it was people like Vivek that were saying things like
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  Speaker 3: we need to cut off all funding to Ukraine and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other things that people then took what
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  Speaker 3: Vivek was saying and made it seem like Trump was
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  Speaker 3: saying it. And even at the time, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: Trump is not the guy you keep saying he is.
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  Speaker 3: And it makes no sense to me that you have
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  Speaker 3: these beliefs, even though Trump openly talks about all the
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  Speaker 3: different things that he'll do. On Ukraine, for example, he
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  Speaker 3: was like, we might arm Ukraine more. Like he was,
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  Speaker 3: he was not the guy that was going to be
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  Speaker 3: an isolationist. And I don't understand why. what people missed
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think so.
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  Speaker 1: The border was dealt with extremely quickly, which too quickly, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, is just proof that Biden was lying
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  Speaker 1: about the entire time. Oh, yeah. Kamala, as were all
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  Speaker 1: the Dems. OK, so that was taken care of. It
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  Speaker 1: was taken care of so fast that I don't think
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  Speaker 1: really he got the credit he deserved for it, nor
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  Speaker 1: did they get the blame for all those years that
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  Speaker 1: they deserved for it.
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  Speaker 4: So true.
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  Speaker 1: Iran has lasted long enough, I think, that people are
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  Speaker 1: annoyed with it.
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  Speaker 2: Also, obviously, annoyed with the gas prices.
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  Speaker 1: And then the tariffs, to me, have always been a
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  Speaker 1: misstep because it's like a big announcement that I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to raise prices on some of the things that you
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  Speaker 1: have to buy.
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  Speaker 2: But it's for the greater good and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: OK.
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  Speaker 2: He's always believed in that.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: He read on that.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 3: To say that he didn't run on being this guy
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  Speaker 3: makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: But those things combined, I think, make a lot of
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  Speaker 1: voters who were 2024 voters go, I don't know. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the other prospect that I think was important was kind
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  Speaker 1: of kneecapping woke. And he did that to a great degree.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing that I appreciate perhaps the most.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: But I think people go, all right, well, I got
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  Speaker 1: some of what I wanted here, but you're not paying
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  Speaker 1: attention to my cost of living. And I don't feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're making an argument for the Iran war. So like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I want something different. But and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: this in the second segment, but I would look around
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  Speaker 1: at the different offerings and realize that they are taking
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  Speaker 1: you back.
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  Speaker 2: To 2020 so fast. And I would take Ramaswamy every
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  Speaker 2: day over that.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And the thing is to me that you are
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  Speaker 3: voting between two parties, Republican or Democrat. There is no
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  Speaker 3: other option. And the fact that you want to punish
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump for something by voting for Democrats is just
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  Speaker 3: bananas to me. I mean, things like gas prices. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: gas prices are like slightly elevated right now. I looked
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  Speaker 3: at where the gas prices were when Donald Trump took office.
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  Speaker 3: They're about a dollar more right now. Look, I get
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  Speaker 3: that that's significant, but that's not anywhere near the astronomical
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  Speaker 3: numbers that exist in places like run by Democrats like California.
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  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, it's just, you look at the red states,
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  Speaker 3: the prices are cheaper than in the blue states. Make
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  Speaker 3: the calculation yourself. I get that you want to punish
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump by voting for the people who make your
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  Speaker 3: gas more expensive. Make it make sense.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. It doesn't make sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: There's places like Michigan where Al-Sayed will point at the
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  Speaker 1: gas price and like Democrats have actively raised the tax
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  Speaker 1: on gas like in the recent past. And that seems
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  Speaker 1: like it cuts against him. But yeah, this is all
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  Speaker 1: this is all. Part of the reason, I suppose, that
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration decided to run an ad on NFL
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  Speaker 1: game on an NFL game this week that apparently was
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  Speaker 1: taxpayer funded, which is a giant foul for me. That
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  Speaker 1: is just y'all have a lot of money. Y'all have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: And donors who would happily run that ad. Just why?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Why are you making these kinds of missteps? It makes
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  Speaker 3: no sense. You can't find an outside group to fund this. Really?
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  Speaker 4: I could.
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  Speaker 1: No, just like it's very easy. And it's also a
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  Speaker 1: recycled ad. It's not even a brand new innovation. It's
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  Speaker 1: an argument from 2024. Let's run what they ran on
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  Speaker 1: that NFL game.
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  Speaker 4: This is the final battle. With you at my side,
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  Speaker 4: we will demolish the deep state. We will expel the
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  Speaker 4: warmongers from our government.
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  Speaker 5: We will drive out the globalists.
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  Speaker 4: We will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists. We
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  Speaker 4: will throw off the sick political class that hates our country.
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  Speaker 4: We will rout the fake news media, and we will
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  Speaker 4: liberate America from these villains.
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: Once and for all.
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  Speaker 2: Argument has salience to me. I don't want to pay
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not my job to pay for it.
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  Speaker 2: This is totally out of line. No, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I just it's such a weird misstep. And of course,
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: like the people who just hate Donald Trump and hate
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  Speaker 3: his administration, there's nothing you can do about it. Or
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  Speaker 3: like he wants to send a message that he can
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  Speaker 3: break the rules as needed. I don't understand. I don't
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  Speaker 3: understand why I do this. I don't understand why I
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  Speaker 3: do this when you know this is going to be
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  Speaker 3: a topic of conversation. on even friendly news outlets, because
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  Speaker 3: why did you do this? Like, have an outside group
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  Speaker 3: pay for it.
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  Speaker 2: You got lots of money.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the two things that, I mean, when we
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  Speaker 1: talk about sort of general politics, the two things that
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  Speaker 1: are saving the GOP or sort of shaving off some
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  Speaker 1: of these losses, which are likely in an off year
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  Speaker 1: like this, is the map and the money. There's lots
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  Speaker 1: of money.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of money. And it is being dumped into a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of these races, particularly the ones that are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: most likely to be flipped in some of these red
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  Speaker 1: states like Kentucky or Iowa. And so there will be
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  Speaker 1: opportunities for defining these races that come mostly.
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  Speaker 2: From the right. There is no shortage of this. Just
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  Speaker 2: run it with that money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing this weekend was Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeting
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  Speaker 3: about a 400 strong, I think it's grown since then,
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  Speaker 3: caravan of migrants coming from Honduras, going across Mexico and
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: trying to make their way to the U.S. southern border.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: She tweets, we have not seen a caravan headed to
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  Speaker 3: the U.S. southern border in several years. Why now? Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's an election coming up and the GOP needs to
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  Speaker 3: scare you into voting because nothing else is working. This
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  Speaker 3: was retweeted by Mehdi Hassan and also Sarah Longwell. So
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: when the super far right and the super far left
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: and the never Trumpers are all on the same side,
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like you need to take a beat and
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: be like, what's going on here? I don't want to
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theorize, but that is extremely suspicious to me that
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Greene is now, you know, the brave voice
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  Speaker 3: that they listen to on the right. She has her problems, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, but this whole, like, the Trump administration
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  Speaker 3: is paying for a caravan of migrants from Honduras. Like,
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  Speaker 3: break that down for me, Marjorie. Tell me how that works.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get Candace in on it.
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  Speaker 2: Also, the idea that, like, these. This is an old idea.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that the caravans were never real and they
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  Speaker 1: were just built for fear mongering is not true, because
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: as you see, they all now admit that the border
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: was a disaster. They just read it before because it
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: would lose them power and it would lose them this
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  Speaker 1: magnet that they desperately wanted to bring a bunch of
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: people in. So I reject the entire notion that the
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  Speaker 1: like that you get to comment on caravans and their
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  Speaker 1: relative realness when you all closed your eyes for five,
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  Speaker 1: six years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But that the woke right. you know, never-Trumper, far-lefter
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  Speaker 3: alliance is really something to me. The woke right is
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  Speaker 3: a term that I think James Lindsay came up with
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: it to describe the far right, which is not even
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  Speaker 3: that right because, again, they end up taking the positions
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  Speaker 3: that the far left would agree with.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're identitarians.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not, you know, on the political spectrum.
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  Speaker 3: They're really not on the right. And it's been fascinating
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  Speaker 3: to watch these people move ever leftward until they're being
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  Speaker 3: retweeted by the Mehdi Hassans and Sarah Longwells of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: What a horseshoe.
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  Speaker 3: That's not the ending I was thinking of, but yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then lastly, I mentioned the money. The map is
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  Speaker 2: the other part of this that will.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it remains to be seen. We do this
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: funny thing in Washington conventional wisdom, which is everyone will say, A,
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  Speaker 1: no one pays attention until Labor Day. And then a
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  Speaker 1: week after Labor Day, they'll say everything's baked in.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do to change it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Which is it?
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  Speaker 1: We both we say both that people don't start paying
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  Speaker 1: attention there. And then you have a week to pay attention.
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  Speaker 1: I think there is room for movement to some extent.
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  Speaker 1: You can't overcome a bad environment sometimes. However, the Senate
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  Speaker 1: race Senate map. and to some extent the House map,
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  Speaker 1: are much more friendly to Republicans than they were in
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  Speaker 1: like a 2006 or a 2018 when they got the
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: shellackings that they've gotten during other off years. So we
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: shall see how red the districts are that Democrats are
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: able to flip. I was listening to the Cook Political
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  Speaker 1: Report and it's thinking like in the seven, like Trump
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  Speaker 1: plus seven range. Well, those Senate seats are all in
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: Trump plus 11 to 14, the one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a trickier prospect.
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  Speaker 3: Although a good year. Yeah. I think my bet, you know, today,
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  Speaker 3: late September, is Republicans hold the Senate. And I get
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  Speaker 3: that that's already considered a fringy view because the doomsayers
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  Speaker 3: think that Republicans lose it all. But that's where I'm
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  Speaker 3: putting my marker today. I think Republicans lose the House,
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  Speaker 3: keep the Senate. Susan Collins, tough to beat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, she's showing it. Also, we have the
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  Speaker 1: question of polling, as we always do. There are a
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  Speaker 1: lot more polls now. There's a lot of questions about
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: who finishes the polls, who participates in the polls, who
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: might be overpolled. But Susan Collins is showing up a
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  Speaker 1: handful of points, and she was never up the last
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  Speaker 1: time she ran.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: What, like nine points or something?
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  Speaker 1: So she's an interesting case and one to bet on
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  Speaker 1: in general.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the, you know, go back around to
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Vivek on this. I think Vivek wins. I think Byron
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: Donalds wins handily in Florida. Those two are polling either
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: really close or, you know, the Democrats leading in some
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: of the polls. I just, if that happens, it's political earthquake. Fine.
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  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I, you know, so officially
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: betting on, not actually betting, just saying the words out
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  Speaker 3: loud on Republicans holding the Senate and Byron Donalds and
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  Speaker 3: Vivek Ramaswamy both winning the governor's seats in their states.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see. We'll keep you up to date on that.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and be right
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  Speaker 3: back with more on Normally. We are back on Normally
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  Speaker 3: where the left continues to cling to woke one, even
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  Speaker 3: though they kind of laugh it off and they say
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  Speaker 3: woke one is was so funny. Ha ha ha. It
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: was so crazy. So you're so crazy you left this
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  Speaker 3: with your woke one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that ain't going to cut it. It's not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have evidence of things where they really are clinging.
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  Speaker 2: To it, as you say.
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  Speaker 1: The most prominent of which is this effort to say
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  Speaker 1: that 10 incidents of Black victims found hang across the
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  Speaker 1: country between 2024 and now is.
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  Speaker 1: An epidemic of racist and Jim Crow-inspired, or, you know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Jim Crow-era-inspired lynchings. And... The facts simply don't bear that out,
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  Speaker 1: but the Congressional Black Caucus is holding panels at their
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: annual event about it. The AP is tweeting about it
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  Speaker 1: in such an incredibly dishonest way. The death of Tasha Fortune,
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  Speaker 1: a Black Mississippi woman found hanging from a tree on
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: August 3rd, has stirred distressing memories of the grim history
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  Speaker 1: of lynchings across the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: South.
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  Speaker 1: That has not been solved yet, but two Black men
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  Speaker 1: have been arrested in.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: That's right. A black man was found in August hanging
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: from a tree in Raleigh. And apparently he had mental issues,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: but people are saying it couldn't possibly be suicide. His
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: death has indeed been ruled a suicide. Miss Rachel, who
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: is a children's performer. Yeah, I have a piece about
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: her out on the Fox News website today. But she said,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: please listen to the black community. Black people don't hang
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: themselves from trees. Well, this man had a history of
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: mental issues and he did apparently hang himself from a tree.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: She actually also commented on the death of Nolan Wells,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: who we've touched on on the show, who drowned after
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a boat trip near Mississippi's Horn Island. He was on
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: a trip with some people and ended up drowning. No
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: evidence whatsoever that the police investigation was questionable in any way,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: but she obviously knows more and better and says that
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the investigation would have been different if Nolan Wells had
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: been white. This kind of racist rhetoric really causes the
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: racial strife in our country. It leads people to believe
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: that Black victims are not treated the same way as
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: white victims. And I'm sorry, we're not living 80 years ago.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: It's just not the same country that you... pretend it is.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: And it really makes me crazy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: So Ayanna Pressley has led an effort that like some
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: 60 Democratic lawmakers have have signed on to to investigate
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this further. And John McWhorter, who is a black intellectual,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: writes for The New York Times. He examines this and says, like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: let the investigation go forward. But, you know, we can
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: never know exactly what happened in every case. But Presley's
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: idea that, quote, white people are hanging Black people for
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the purpose of terrorizing Black communities and that local authorities
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are consistently overlooking it or covering it up just seems
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: highly unlikely given what.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: We know in all of these cases.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And in fact, saying as a Black community that this
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is not what we do, that Black men don't hang themselves,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that Black people don't. he's like, that's not the same
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: as it never happening. This is a relatively small number
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of people. And in fact, if we analyze it and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the facts, then we find that a lot of them
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: seem to have done that tragically. But compounding the tragedy
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: by making it this misinformation campaign, it's a terrible idea
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and just screams of 2020 to me.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: That's right. He's so great, John McGorder. Very worth reading.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And I think the fact that I mean, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: the social contagion of it is not discussed either. Like
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: after one person kills themselves in this manner, others start
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, this is, you know, somewhat related, but.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: in Florida, there's the Bright Line train. And for a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: long time, you know, people were dying by getting hit
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: by the Bright Line train. And the jokes online were like,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: the Bright Line train is hungry and whatever. And then
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: it turned out that all of these or almost nearly
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: all of them were suicides. And what It really happens
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: is people don't get the story and people started to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: believe that the bright line was unsafe. It's not unsafe.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: People were killing themselves with the bright line. So I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: think as the story spreads, people start to believe misinformation
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and that's really unfortunate.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And this is one of the more pernicious types of misinformation.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And McWhorter makes the point like, you know, there was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a real and grisly threat of this kind of thing
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in the past. But to pretend as if we are
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: living in that past.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Did we miss the lesbian bar news cycle unnormally? Did
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: we ever talk about that?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we've talked about it, but we
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: should talk about it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: We should at least touch on it because it was
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: quite a story. I'm sure everybody's heard it by now.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: This Western Massachusetts lesbian bar apparently was still masking up
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: in the year of our Lord, 2026. And they wanted
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: to have one night a week be mask optional. The
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: comments that they got were like, I hope your bar
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: gets firebombed. It was really, it reminded people what.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Woke One was really all about.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: And I mean, just the insanity of it all. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: we're only telling you the summary of the story that
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I know became the biggest story in the country for
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a few days. to tell you about a related story. Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So the reaction to the lesbian bar story is interesting
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: because in 2020, that story would have been every person
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: abusing that bar owner from their she, they Zoom call
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: would have been lauded as stunning and brave. And the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: bar owner who tried to do no masking would have
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: been called a grandma killer and a genocider or whatever
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: it is. Been there.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And, it was interesting because the left on X, a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: lot of them were like, yeah, these people are wackos.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They torture us in all of our activism spaces and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Listening to them.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, this is an interesting turn
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of events that we're allowed to admit that now. We
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: would have loved to have you guys in 2020 talking
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: about any of that abuse and how it was being
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: used against the rest of us normies.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: But you guys weren't there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So I was, Then you hear the Pod Save Bros
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: talking about another story. Have you seen these allegations against
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Mary Peltola, who's running for Senate as a Democrat in Alaska?
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So the allegations against her, broken by The New York Times,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: from former staffers coming forward, I think all anonymously, which
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I think you should put your name on it if
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you're coming out with this stuff, accused her of yelling
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: at them, using slurs like the F-slur for gay people.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Forcing her staff to feed her pet lizard, which I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: didn't think was a problem. That sounds like staff work
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to me. Pushing staff, which is over the line.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And generally, like, making an uncomfortable working environment.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: So John Lovett making excuses for all of this because
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the left's new thing is like, hey, suck it up, buttercup.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's where they are now, he says. Have at it,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Mary Peltola.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It's all these things that we cared about so deeply
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: are totally fine.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Here he is making that argument.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Do I think it's great if a boss calls an
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: employee a f * * k? No, but I think
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: the Senate's more important. But now we're like, no, the
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: stakes are too high. And we've just been through too
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: many rounds of this. And the fact that there are
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: people that would be working for a Democratic member of
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Congress who may have been rude and mean at the
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: darkest moment in her life, by the way, like after
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: experiencing incredible tragedy, and then six weeks before an election
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: to leak that to the Times. It is a privilege
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: to pretend you don't have to think about the stakes.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: Everybody has to think about the stakes. And whether or
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: not Donald Trump can appoint right-wing anti-choice judges for two years,
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: whether or not we have genuine investigations in the Senate. Like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: these are the stakes in the election. And there's not
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: a gay guy from Austin to underneath the docks in
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Provincetown who wouldn't be happily called a c * * *-
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: guzzling f * * * to have a Democratic Senate.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Just a mincing, butt-munching ass-pirate And if we have to
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: get Mary Peltola, honestly, we could knight her. Go to
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: find the gayest fucking person you can find in the
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: state of Texas, in the state of Alaska. Have her
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: kneel and have a sword go to both sides and say,
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: you may call us wherever the fuck you want, Mary Peltola,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: if you win this seat.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, if you're listening, Mary Peltola, come on Pod Save America.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. That'll help.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And I'll help in the homestretch.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: You have to feed her lizard? And you're mad?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Then quit! Or shut up!
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, that guy has... just no bearings at all
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: he was on the Moynihan report recently with our friend
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Michael Moynihan and he was talking about how he was
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: afraid to say plainly what he thought during woke one
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: but now he's like say whatever you think it's fine
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: we'll all forgive you it's okay.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: He says we've been through too many rounds of this
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: as if it's the right weaponizing these things again. Like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: y'all were the people who put yourselves through the rounds
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of this. And look, I, although I do think it's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a good turn for the country in general, if people
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: do a little bit more buck up buttercup, just everyone.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do think it's out of line to push
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: your staff.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I do think it's worth talking if she throws around
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the F word, as they say. And the people who
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: say it makes no difference should own that they're making
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a Paxton-like deal with themselves, a Trump-like deal with themselves.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And That they didn't really care about any.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Of this back when they used it to.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Hurt the rest of us.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But also the fact that John Lovett is gay and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: he's like, I don't care if you attack me for
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: being gay as long as you win. It's just you
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: guys said that identity mattered more than anything. It was
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: the most important thing in the world. And now it
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter at all. What happened?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Well, same thing that happened with Clinton and the feminists,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You vote the right way.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And so it's fine. Yeah.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's not good. It is not good. But,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I feel like Woke 2 is just as
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: crazy as Woke 1 was, and these people need to
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: be held continually accountable.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just going to, like, reverse it back
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: on us.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Whenever they want.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It's not like if you're caught saying something, they're going
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to be like, I guess that's okay.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. And I would never, you know what I mean?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Like the joke is that like conservatives really don't talk
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: like that. And it's like we don't talk in any
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of the slurs that people pretend that we do. I'll
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: tell you just a quick story. There's this great song,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Fairytale of New York by the Pogues. And I was
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: talking to Tim Carney one year about how much I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: love that song. And he's like, we can't play it
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: for the kids because it has the F word. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what's the F word in it?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: And I hadn't even like really paid attention to the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: fact that it had that F.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Word in it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And now, you know, he does not play that song
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: for his children because that song isn't there. I mean,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that word isn't there. Now my children at the time,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I wasn't playing for them anyway, but that's what I,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: what I see conservative values as you actually don't use
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: words like that. You actually don't, be okay with words
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Can I add one bit of advice at the end
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of this?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What I always tell young people when I talk to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: them in Washington is if you are a staffer, look,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: abusive is a different line, but things like the feeding
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of the pet lizard, she lives away from her lizard frequently.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: If she deems it your job to feed the lizard,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that seems like staff work to me, to a young staffer.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And also just do it, do your job well. Do
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the things you were asked to do well. It is
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: not below you, actually. I got my first leg up
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: in politics in D.C. doing a thing that wasn't really
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: in my job description at all, but I did it
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: well and someone noticed. And they were like, hey, you
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: write pretty well. Maybe we should have you do that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So just like, you know, take care of the chameleon.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: The chameleon needs help.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Take care of the lizard.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and be right
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: back with more on Normally.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Okie doke.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: We are back on Normally with a story about marriage.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Two different stories about marriage and family. One, a New
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: York Times profile of an influencer who was a trad
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: wife and has since gotten divorced. It turns out it
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was not a good situation. She alleges domestic violence and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: has a restraining order against her former husband.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: She has six kids.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Just an examination of how that went for her. That's sad,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: but she seems to be like getting on her feet.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: And I just think it's so much of this is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: an indictment.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Of influencer culture.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Audience capture and just living at these extremes instead of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: acknowledging men and women have complementary traits.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Perhaps we went too far in one direction.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But let's get a little further back to the just
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like the reasonable middle instead of going full pendulum swing.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I really do think the influencer part
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: is a huge factor. deal here. Because of course, when
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you get divorced, and you've like been portraying your marriage
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: as this perfect storybook thing online, and you've told people
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: how to have the marriage that you have, and you
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: have to follow these guidelines. I think that that, you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: really does blow up in your face. Having said that,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I think that there are so many trad wives just
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: living quietly and not filming their sourdough. Yes. um you'll
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: never hear about whether or not they get divorced you'll
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: never know whether or not they live the rest of
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: their lives happily um and the influencing is what really
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: bothers me here that you they these women have this
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: unrealistic life that they portray to other people and of
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: course it's on the other side also you know every
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: time Chelsea Handler tells me how great her life is
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: without kids I'm like not really buying it lady right
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: um But, you know, that's what you get, right? If
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: she ever, Chelsea Handler ever gives in and says she
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: actually regrets not having children, we have all of her
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: videos to point to to be like, ha ha, you
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: were wrong.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think all of.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: This like branding sort of turns into a cycle because
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she ends up, she ends up like being a breadwinner
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: for her family, which is against the beliefs she was professing,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: but they kind of rationalize it because she's doing it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: with her husband's supervision.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: It's like, that's right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: There's a place where you can just do.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: That stuff without having to rationalize it. And now she's turned,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of course, into an influencer who teaches people how to get.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Out of tradwives.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: All of this is monetized in this bizarre way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I wish you the best.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: And like, look, I talk for a living. I understand.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But there is this culture where it's like, okay, well,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I've made myself this identity and I.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Can't deviate from it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, Maybe you'd have a little more wiggle room
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: if we hadn't all branded ourselves. Exactly. Exactly. You know
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: what I did like in this piece is that this
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: woman who has so much less influence than, say, Nicole
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Hannah-Jones gives far more apologies. for having maybe misled people
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: than Nicole Hannah-Jones has in the past week about her
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: education policy. Such a good point. She says several times, like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I really regret that I led other people to make
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: similar decisions. And I will say, she also seems like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: she retained her faith. She seems like she's, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: not rejected everything about her old life. But yeah, I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: did notice that she had some accountability.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, that's... That's definitely a better message than,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: you know, I did it all wrong. Now follow me
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: into the right way.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: She seems to be like trying to occupy that middle space.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: On the other hand, we have the retirement of Justin Verlander,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: who is a hugely famous pitcher for Detroit for years.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: He is married to.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Kate Upton of early 2000s Sidney Sweeney-like fame. Right, right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: People loved her. Yes.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: She was the hotness. She remains very hot.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: They have been married now for, I think, nine years.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They have two children. And Justin Verlander retired this weekend.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: He spent his last day on the mound. And I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: think we have a clip of it, but his retirement
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: was beautiful because it was full of his normie family
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: joining him his oldest daughter threw out the first pitch
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a strike by the way and at the end this
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is uh this is his leaving.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Of the mound.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: He is not going to the mound he's going to
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: get justin verlander's daughter genevieve.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Why are you making me cry? I know. just beautiful
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: they're like all hugging but his daughter is like clutching
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: him it's really lovely.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: The way he falls apart when he comes out like
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: he's okay until she gets there very nice anyway his
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: whole family eventually joins um It's so sweet.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And look, I know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Justin Verlander and Kate Upton are extraordinarily hot and talented
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and therefore not normie.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: But this portrayal was like, it's all the things that matter.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Sports is beautiful. Family's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Fatherhood is grand.
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  Speaker 2: And he just seems to.
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  Speaker 1: Be enjoying all of it in such a wonderful way,
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  Speaker 1: as does his wife, Kate Upton.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 4: Love it.
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  Speaker 3: More normie family happiness. And he talked about wanting to
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  Speaker 3: spend more time with his children. He, I believe, has
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  Speaker 3: a baby son. Or a very young son. And he's
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  Speaker 3: looking forward to just getting more time with his daughter
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  Speaker 3: and his son. And that's great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We'd love to see it.
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  Speaker 3: Love to see it. Thanks for joining us on Normally.
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