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The Kenny Report | 23 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report Tonight.
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Speaker 3: The biggest story in the world.
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Speaker 2: And all its ramifications globally, as well as the pathetic
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Speaker 2: response from the Australian government. As President Donald Trump claims
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Speaker 2: an outstanding victory, Israel is still suffering missile attacks from Iran.
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Speaker 2: I'll cross live to Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskel.
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Speaker 2: The political left is outraged over the US attack. I'll
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Speaker 2: explain why even their hero JFK would have taken this action.
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Speaker 2: I'll also tap into experts in Israel and here at home,
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Speaker 2: as well as catch up with our Monday panel on
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Speaker 2: all this, plus more anti semitism in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: While we expected US military action against Iran's nuclear facilities,
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Speaker 2: to see how it unfolded and now deal with the
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Speaker 2: ramifications is quite something. As I said on Thursday, this
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Speaker 2: is an inflection point in history. It's fascinating to see
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Speaker 2: exactly how the US acted and we need to consider
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Speaker 2: what might happen next, including strategic benefits in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East and therefore benefits for world security. Also, we need
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Speaker 2: to discuss the pathetic approach of the Albanezi labor government,
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Speaker 2: a government either without instincts on foreign policy or without values,
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Speaker 2: or both.
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Speaker 3: Let's start by recapping what.
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Speaker 4: The US appears to have done with.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen massive ordnance penetrators. The thirteen ton bombs dropped from
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Speaker 2: seven state of the art stealth b two bombers. They
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Speaker 2: took out two of the nuclear facilities. A third was
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Speaker 2: taken out by Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from a nuclear
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Speaker 2: powered submarine in the Gulf. The US claims the damage
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Speaker 2: is severe and the operation was an outstanding success.
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Speaker 5: Satellite image from before the attack you can see four
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Speaker 5: doh security perimeter and three tunnel entrances. Compare that to
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Speaker 5: after the strike. These gray areas presumably dust and debris
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Speaker 5: from the attack zone. Here take a closer look. This
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Speaker 5: was the mountain side before the raid, and here you
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Speaker 5: can see two distinct strike zones, each hit with at
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Speaker 5: least three bombs. Analysts suggest these details maybe ventilation shafts,
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Speaker 5: potential weak points chosen so the bombs carried their explosive
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Speaker 5: payload as deep as.
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Speaker 2: Possible around The bully of the Middle East must now
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Speaker 2: make peace.
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Speaker 6: If they do not future attacks would be far greater
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Speaker 6: and a lot easier.
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Speaker 7: I can only confirm that there are both public and
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Speaker 7: private messages being directly delivered to the Iranians in multiple channels,
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Speaker 7: giving them every opportunity to come to the table. They
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Speaker 7: understand precisely what the American position is, precisely what steps
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Speaker 7: they can take to allow for peace, and we hope
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Speaker 7: they do so.
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Speaker 3: Up yeah.
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Speaker 2: In response, so far, Iran has downplayed the damage to
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Speaker 2: its facilities, It's promised revenge, and it's launched yet more
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Speaker 2: missile attacks against Israel.
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Speaker 8: Rubble filled streets, scattered tratnel, and the skeletons of homes.
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Speaker 8: The people of Ramataviv woke with a shuddering jolt, buildings
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Speaker 8: decimated by an Iranian missile.
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Speaker 3: This is sickening stuff. Israel and now the US have.
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Speaker 2: Conducted highly targeted attacks on Iran, hitting nuclear facilities and
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Speaker 2: before that, missile and air defense facilities and the military
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Speaker 2: and nuclear weapons hierarchy. Israel's attacks have steered clear of
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Speaker 2: civilian areas, even going so far as warning an area
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Speaker 2: of Tehran that it would bomb a missile factory nearby
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Speaker 2: in response, though Iran reigns missiles down on Israeli urban areas.
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Speaker 2: These indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas have seen a major
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Speaker 2: hospital hit by a massive explosion and numerous houses and
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Speaker 2: accommodation blocks hit in Haifa and the Tel Avivaria. This
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Speaker 2: is against the rules of war, This is targeting civilians.
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Speaker 2: But where is the condemnation from the activists and the
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Speaker 2: United Nations about war crimes. Where are the protesters and
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Speaker 2: the leftist politicians marching in the streets against Iranian attacks
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Speaker 2: on civilians.
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Speaker 3: They've all been.
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Speaker 2: Actively pretending over the past twenty months, pretending that Israel
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Speaker 2: targets civilians, and now when it's actually happening to Israelis,
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Speaker 2: the silence is deafening. Why do these activists and extremists
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Speaker 2: not care about Israeli lives? And now the US has
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Speaker 2: issued a terrorism alert, with Homeland Security Secretary Christie Nome
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Speaker 2: saying the ongoing conflict brings the possibility of increased threats
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Speaker 2: to the US in the form of possible cyber attacks,
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Speaker 2: acts of violence, and anti Semitic hate crimes. There are
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Speaker 2: reports that the US received warnings from Iran about terror
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Speaker 2: attacks in the US and elsewhere. Think about what this
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Speaker 2: tells US about the Iranian regime. Here is an evil
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremist regime that's funded and organized horrific terrorist atrocities
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Speaker 2: against Israel. It's instigrated rocket fire against Israel, It's attacked
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Speaker 2: Israel directly, It's repeatedly promised to destroy Israel, and it
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Speaker 2: threatened the US and other Western nations too. And it's
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Speaker 2: pursued nuclear weapons despite agreeing not to. And now after
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Speaker 2: instigating war, when it's nuclear facilit these are bombed, it
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Speaker 2: responds by again firing missiles at Israeli civilians and threatening terrorism.
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Speaker 2: In other words, it's threatening to kill more innocent people.
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Speaker 2: How could anyone anywhere even contemplate backing this dangerous and
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Speaker 2: evil regime. Yet this CNN report suggests there is some
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Speaker 2: support in Tyranne.
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Speaker 9: Mama punched the United States and Israel in the mouth.
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Speaker 9: He says, Trump, you are threatening my leader. This woman says,
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Speaker 9: don't you know my nation believes death is sweeter than honey.
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Speaker 9: What do you have Israel? He says, you have nothing.
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Speaker 9: You are occupiers, unreligious, you're killing people, killing women, you
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Speaker 9: kill everyone. You're terrorists.
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Speaker 2: Now I'd take all this with a grain of salt.
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Speaker 2: Of course, there might be supporters of the regime. They're
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Speaker 2: in Taire, but yeah, you didn't see huge crowds there.
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Speaker 2: And if you're in Tahran, there's only one public position
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Speaker 2: to take if you value your life. The way the
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Speaker 2: regime acts like a blanket across free expression.
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Speaker 3: In that country has to be seen to be believed.
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Speaker 2: I was there twenty years ago and the only country
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Speaker 2: I've visited where the repression was more obvious was North Korea.
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Speaker 3: Anyway.
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Speaker 2: Incredibly, even here in Australia, in our lucky country, some
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Speaker 2: protesters seem to support the Iranian regime, although seemingly just
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Speaker 2: as another way to demonize Israel, and.
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Speaker 10: The US protests in Sydney and Melbourne attracted voices condemning
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Speaker 10: the strikes.
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Speaker 4: It has to stop.
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Speaker 11: I don't think the Uranians have ever provoked anything to
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Speaker 11: be subjected to this sort of violence.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a surprising take, especially when many members of
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Speaker 2: the Iranian community in Australia have come here leeing the
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Speaker 2: theocratic regime of the Ayatola.
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Speaker 3: And sure enough there are.
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Speaker 2: Signs calling for regime change in Iran and others giving
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Speaker 2: voice to that sentiment.
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Speaker 3: But a smaller group supported the US action.
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Speaker 8: They are using our civilian Iranian civilian people as a
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Speaker 8: shield to partake that yam Ayatollah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a smaller group, said the reporter.
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Speaker 2: Smaller than the anti Israeli pro Palestinian protest, sure, but
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Speaker 2: probably much more representative of the Iranian diaspora. Regime change
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Speaker 2: is not officially an aim of the Israeli or American
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Speaker 2: military action against Iran, but both countries have long said
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Speaker 2: that welcome it, and the US President fueled speculation with
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Speaker 2: a social media post.
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Speaker 3: He says it's not.
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Speaker 2: Politically correct to use the term regime change, but if
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Speaker 2: the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again,
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't there be a regime change?
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Speaker 3: Miga mike Iran great again to that post.
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Speaker 2: The US political debate is as polarized as Eba, with
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Speaker 2: the hod left wildly against Trump's action and mouthing sentiments
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Speaker 2: that could only please the Ayatollah as he hides out
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Speaker 2: in Iran.
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Speaker 12: House Minority leader Hucking Jeffries, who posted this in part quote,
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Speaker 12: President Trump misled the country about his intentions, failed to
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Speaker 12: seek congressional authorization for the use of military force, and
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Speaker 12: risk American entanglement in a potentially disastrous war in the
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Speaker 12: Middle East.
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Speaker 1: But it is so grossly unconstitutional.
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Speaker 4: All of you know.
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Speaker 6: That the only entity that can take this country to
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Speaker 6: war is the US Congress.
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Speaker 1: The president does not have the right.
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Speaker 12: Meanwhile, Congresswoman Alexandria of Costia Cortez is calling for Trump's impeachment,
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Speaker 12: saying this quote, he has impulsively risked launching a war
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Speaker 12: that may ensue for generations. It is absolutely and clearly
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Speaker 12: grounds for impeachment.
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Speaker 2: Well, he does have the right and the power to
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Speaker 2: take military action like this, and he onion needs to
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Speaker 2: go back to Congress after a certain amount of time,
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Speaker 2: and if it becomes a.
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Speaker 3: War, a declaration of war.
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Speaker 2: And on the right of politics, there are, of course
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Speaker 2: plenty of conservative isolationists who worry that America's risking being
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Speaker 2: caught up in another foreign conflict.
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Speaker 3: But people need to take a reality check here.
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Speaker 2: They need to understand what's at stake and understand some
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Speaker 2: history as well, and realize that America had to do
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Speaker 2: this now. Trump deserves credited, of course, but it's unlikely
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Speaker 2: that any American president would have done any different. A
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Speaker 2: succession of presidents, Republican and Democrat, have opposed Iran getting
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. Iran has been a malevolent force since the
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Speaker 2: Islamic Revolution in the late nineteen seventies, and apart from
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Speaker 2: the disgusting American embassy hostage saga, Iran and its proxies
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Speaker 2: like Hezbollah and other actors in Lebanon and Syria and
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Speaker 2: even in South America have conducted deadly terrorist attacks targeting
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Speaker 2: Israelis and Americans in particular, but plenty of others too.
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Speaker 2: The idea this terrorist nation could wield nuclear weapons would
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Speaker 2: be an unthinkable outcome for Israel, and for the US
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Speaker 2: and for the world. In fact, it's almost as unthinkable
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Speaker 2: as allowing Soviet nuclear missiles to be based in Cuba
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Speaker 2: at the height of the Cold War back in the
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixties, when President John F.
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Speaker 3: Kennedy drew a line in the sand.
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Speaker 6: The nineteen thirties taught us a clear lesson aggressive conduct,
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Speaker 6: if allowed to go unchecked and unchallenged, ultimately leads to war.
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Speaker 6: This nation is opposed to war. We are also true
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Speaker 6: to our word. Our unswerving objective, therefore, must be to
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Speaker 6: prevent the use of these missiles against this or any
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Speaker 6: other country, and as secure there withdrawal or elimination from
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Speaker 6: the Western hemisphere.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kennedy's strength held sway there during the Cuban missile crisis.
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Speaker 2: But just think about that, Think about what he said,
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Speaker 2: think about the threat of Iran, what it's already done,
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Speaker 2: and what it could do with nuclear weapons. And all
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Speaker 2: the Trump haters need to do is ask what would
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Speaker 2: JFK have done. I think it's obvious even the democratic
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Speaker 2: hero JFK would have taken this action. The world is
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Speaker 2: all the better for this having happened, although we do
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Speaker 2: have to brace ourselves for the Iranian response. Of course,
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Speaker 2: if it comes, no doubt there'll be a heavy secondary
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Speaker 2: action from the US. Having come this far, neither Israel,
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Speaker 2: America or the Free world can afford to accept anything
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Speaker 2: but surrender from Iran, surrendering its nuclear weapons program and
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Speaker 2: its sponsorship of global terrors. If that happens, the entire
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Speaker 2: dynamic of the Middle East will change.
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Speaker 3: All of the Sunni Arab.
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Speaker 2: World will be relieved, and the sheer crescent of Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: Syria and Iraq might have a chance for consolidation and peace.
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Speaker 3: Much can go wrong.
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Speaker 2: We have to watch this carefully, but there is an
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Speaker 2: historic opportunity for progress here. If the most insidious influence
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Speaker 2: in the Middle.
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Speaker 3: East is put back in its box.
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Speaker 2: As I said last week, the response of the Albanesi
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Speaker 2: labor government to this global crisis has been pathetic, just
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Speaker 2: like they've been on Israel and Gaza. Anthony Albanesi and
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong have been hopeless allies, refusing to stand up
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Speaker 2: for Israel or the United States, refusing to support freedom
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Speaker 2: and democracy against vicious assaults, and constantly calling for ceasefires
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Speaker 2: and de escalations in ways and at times that.
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Speaker 3: Would only help terrorist group.
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Speaker 2: Like Hmas and Hesbalah and their sponsors Iran. And it's
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Speaker 2: been the same since Israel took on Iran and its
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Speaker 2: illegal nuclear weapons program.
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Speaker 3: This has not been good for Australia.
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Speaker 2: As I explained last week, Australia should have stood with
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Speaker 2: the US behind Israel, but chose not to. We should
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Speaker 2: have done this both for strategic and moral reasons, but
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Speaker 2: instead we've been weak and we've failed to stand up
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Speaker 2: for freedom and democracy against fanaticism and violence. But there's
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Speaker 2: another price we've paid for that. If we'd have done
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Speaker 2: the right thing, it also would have been diplomatically useful
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Speaker 2: for the US without committing any military assets or money.
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Speaker 2: Australia could have shown strong diplomatic support of the United States,
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Speaker 2: acted like a reliable ally in a way that would
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Speaker 2: have been appreciated by Washington. Incredibly, though, even and after
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Speaker 2: the US attack on the weekend, the Albanezi government went
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Speaker 2: to Water again. No support, no endorsement. They just slipped
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Speaker 2: out a pathetic statement with yet another call for dialogue
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Speaker 2: and de escalation. Embarrassing stuff. They couldn't even support their
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Speaker 2: main alliance partner taking military action to protect Israel and
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Speaker 2: the world from a rogue, theocratic extremist state intent on
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Speaker 2: destroying other countries. They could not even support the US
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Speaker 2: stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. Well, I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: mind betting the US ambassador in Canberra got to them
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Speaker 2: or a US official got on to Kevin Rudd in
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Speaker 2: Washington telling them, this is.
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Speaker 3: No way to treat your main ally, the ally you
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Speaker 3: rely on for your own security.
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Speaker 2: Because this morning, a full day late and after a
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Speaker 2: week of talking nonsense, Wong and alban tried to do
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Speaker 2: what either their lack of foreign policy instincts, all their
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Speaker 2: lack of values, or both prevented them from doing yesterday.
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Speaker 13: First, in relation to what is occurring, in the Middle East.
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Speaker 13: Australia has been clear, along with the international community, that
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Speaker 13: Iran cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. We
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Speaker 13: support action to prevent that from occurring. And this is
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Speaker 13: what this is What I would also say is we
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Speaker 13: know that the international nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency,
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Speaker 13: has made clear that Iran has enough heavily and riched
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Speaker 13: uranium for several nuclear bombs.
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Speaker 11: Well, has it taken almost twenty four hours from the
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Speaker 11: government to provide.
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Speaker 1: Support to us.
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Speaker 13: I think if you look at our statement release by
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Speaker 13: the government yesterday, we made clear what we have always set,
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Speaker 13: which is the international community, including Australia, has long believed
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Speaker 13: that Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon. I think that
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Speaker 13: was very clear.
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Speaker 11: Our biggest ally bombs Iran, and we release a statement
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Speaker 11: from an unknown spokesperson, an unnamed spokesperson. Yes, you're here now,
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Speaker 11: but would you not think that it would have been
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Speaker 11: something that the leader of this country would have spoken
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Speaker 11: about before?
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Speaker 13: Now, well, it's not an unknown spokesperson as a government spokesperson,
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Speaker 13: which is not well, it's not an unusual thing for governments.
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Speaker 3: Spoke to use spokesman.
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Speaker 13: Okay, well, well, I'm sure you'll hear from the Prome
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Speaker 13: ministers today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we did hear from Albau a little bit later,
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Speaker 2: but it was hardly worth waiting for.
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Speaker 3: Good morning.
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Speaker 14: The world has long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed
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Speaker 14: to get a nuclear weapon and we support action to
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Speaker 14: prevent that.
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Speaker 3: That is what this is.
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Speaker 1: Why did it.
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Speaker 7: Take twenty four hours for Australia express express unequivocal support
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Speaker 7: for this action by its closest ally And what does
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Speaker 7: this say about our relationship with the UN?
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Speaker 1: Yes, under your government.
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Speaker 3: We issue a statement, yes, sir. Just terrible.
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Speaker 2: It's like they're in some sort of university debating club,
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Speaker 2: not running a significant country.
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Speaker 3: A sorry display. It makes Australia.
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Speaker 2: Look weak and irrelevant and just a freeloader when it
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Speaker 2: comes to the US and international security. True to his
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Speaker 2: socialist left factional background, Albanezi has shown himself to.
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Speaker 3: Be worthless to the US.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a worry, no matter what you think of
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Speaker 2: the US or Donald Trump, because there's something else that
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Speaker 2: this episode says about the way the US operates now
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Speaker 2: under Donald Trump. Remember, Israel started this assault on Iranian
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Speaker 2: nuclear facilities, and it's the US that is trying to
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Speaker 2: finish it off, which demonstrates that the US is inclined
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Speaker 2: to help allies who have the metal to help themselves.
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Speaker 2: The time for freeloaders seems to be over. Let's hope
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Speaker 2: the message gets through to Albo. Let's go to Israel
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Speaker 2: now and catch up with Sharon Haskell, who's the Israeli
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Minister. Good to talk to you again, Sharon.
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Speaker 2: The first thing I want to ask, Kenny, I just
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Speaker 2: want to check whether you've received that you've heard about
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Speaker 2: the Australian governments supporting very wristedly and light but that
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Speaker 2: supporting the American action in Iran.
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Speaker 3: Do you welcome that support.
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Speaker 15: I think it's better late than never, obviously. I think
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Speaker 15: that you know, we do.
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Speaker 16: Expect our allies to support.
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Speaker 15: Democratic Western democracies who are fighting for their survival. Australia
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Speaker 15: has always been a close ally of our country, of
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Speaker 15: our nation.
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Speaker 16: It's not just in recent years.
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Speaker 15: This goes back to the First World War where the
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Speaker 15: Australians liberated Beershiva. The Sooka hospital who was hit in Beersheba.
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Speaker 15: It's important to understand that the only other flag that
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Speaker 15: is being waved there every single day is an Australian flag.
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Speaker 16: So there's a very close friendship.
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Speaker 15: And I think that these are historical times and it's
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Speaker 15: important to act. Not just world but actions are more important.
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Speaker 15: And during these times, I believe that the world should
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Speaker 15: have more churchills and far less chamberlains.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a point very well made.
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Speaker 2: We've heard obviously from your Prime Minister welcoming that American
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Speaker 2: action against the Iranian nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 3: Of course Israel.
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Speaker 2: Had taken a lot of military action against Iran's facilities
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Speaker 2: before that. How close is Israel to having finished that
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Speaker 2: military operation?
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Speaker 15: So I cannot disclose obviously military points or military strategy
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Speaker 15: over the media, as our enemies are watching it as well,
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Speaker 15: but I can tell you what we've said in the
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Speaker 15: beginning of the operation. I'm so sorry, Kenny, there's actually alarms.
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Speaker 15: We need to find cover. We have a few minutes.
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Speaker 15: Where is the shelter over there? We need to get
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Speaker 15: into a shelter right now, because the.
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Speaker 4: US are going on. I don't want to hold you up.
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Speaker 15: Starting in civilian population, we're going to go with the
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Speaker 15: officials of the local council.
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Speaker 16: As you can see behind us.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you're carrying that camera, we're happy to go
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Speaker 3: with you.
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Speaker 4: Don't let us hold you up with you.
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Speaker 15: We're going into the shelter with the rest of the
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Speaker 15: stuff here, of the local posiality.
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Speaker 16: Just just so that you see and imagine if.
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Speaker 15: I'm imagine, well as you can see, many people with
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Speaker 15: us are trying to find shelter.
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Speaker 16: This is given. This is giving us a warning, a
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Speaker 16: few minutes warning.
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Speaker 15: But you can see the destruction behind us just a
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Speaker 15: few days.
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Speaker 3: Before I can hear the signs.
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Speaker 2: Now, obviously, the US action against Iran has not stopped
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Speaker 2: its militaries.
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Speaker 3: It's missile firings into Israel.
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Speaker 16: It's not just let kenny.
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Speaker 15: Iran is firing into civilian populations on purpose. It is
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Speaker 15: targeting civilian populations. We are targeting military facilities, uclear military facilities,
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Speaker 15: their ballistic missile program, anything to do with the government of.
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Speaker 16: The IRGC and what they're doing.
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Speaker 15: They're firing rockets into cities like this, molds, synagogues.
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Speaker 16: Mosques, hospital this is what they're targeting.
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Speaker 2: But this is the are you close to a capital
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Speaker 2: or a bomb shelter.
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Speaker 15: We are Now you're entering a synagogue where there's a
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Speaker 15: bomb shelter inside.
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Speaker 16: We're going with many of the local council stuff.
23:16
Speaker 2: All the Sharon, thank you so much, Thank you so much,
23:20
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell.
23:21
Speaker 4: The signal is breaking up. Now we're glad, I thought.
23:28
Speaker 16: So we're heading into the shelter now.
23:32
Speaker 15: Yes, So this is as you can see live, This
23:41
Speaker 15: is our bombing shelter. We have many people here who
23:44
Speaker 15: have been hiding in order to keep safe from the
23:48
Speaker 15: missile attack. This is Iran targeting civilian populations directly.
23:56
Speaker 3: Bold to console.
23:59
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you Sharon so much.
24:02
Speaker 4: For sharing this with us live.
24:04
Speaker 2: What I wanted to ask you is what victory looks
24:07
Speaker 2: like here when it comes to Iran. Is regime change
24:11
Speaker 2: on your agenda or is it primarily about making sure
24:14
Speaker 2: they cannot file missiles like this into Iran and other
24:18
Speaker 2: locations in the region.
24:22
Speaker 15: So two of our goals have been set clear. This
24:26
Speaker 15: is to take off the double existential threat. One of
24:29
Speaker 15: them is the nuclear military program and the other one
24:31
Speaker 15: is the ballistic missile program.
24:33
Speaker 16: Now, Kenny, as you know, when we were fighting.
24:36
Speaker 15: In Lebanon, Chrisbela and we were able to destroy most
24:39
Speaker 15: of their capabilities, the by product was a change of
24:44
Speaker 15: regime in Syria.
24:46
Speaker 16: There might be.
24:52
Speaker 15: So, so the byproduct was a change of regime in Syria.
24:57
Speaker 15: So it is a possibility that maybe that will happen,
25:01
Speaker 15: but this is not one of the goals of war
25:04
Speaker 15: that we have.
25:07
Speaker 4: Sharon, thanks so much for that.
25:09
Speaker 2: I just on that though President Trump has talked about
25:12
Speaker 2: regime change, he seems to be stepping it up a
25:15
Speaker 2: bit according to his social media post.
25:19
Speaker 15: Yeah, I know, and you know, President Trump is looking
25:23
Speaker 15: after the American interest when Iran is calling for the
25:27
Speaker 15: death of Israel. Iran is calling for death to America,
25:31
Speaker 15: and it's calling for death to the Western civilization. And
25:35
Speaker 15: I completely understand that this wasn't set as one of
25:38
Speaker 15: the goals of Israel. But if this is one of
25:41
Speaker 15: the goals of the Americans going into this operation, this
25:47
Speaker 15: is a Trump's decision. And I really trust him, you know,
25:51
Speaker 15: I trust that he looks after the American interest and
25:56
Speaker 15: the free world. What he did two nights ago with
26:00
Speaker 15: the attack on the nuclear program of Iran, that was
26:04
Speaker 15: a moment where a leader, a true leader, is defending
26:08
Speaker 15: the free world. That what it means to be the
26:11
Speaker 15: president and the leader of.
26:13
Speaker 16: The free world. This was a moment.
26:16
Speaker 15: A moral clarity understanding what a huge threat to humanity
26:21
Speaker 15: Iran poses, and that you have to take an action
26:25
Speaker 15: against it.
26:26
Speaker 4: Now.
26:26
Speaker 3: Obviously Iran is still attacking Israel. We need that to end.
26:30
Speaker 2: But what else do you expect to say by why
26:33
Speaker 2: of Iranian response in coming days? Do you expect it
26:36
Speaker 2: will broaden this war by attacking American interests or other
26:40
Speaker 2: countries in the Gulf?
26:43
Speaker 15: Look, ira I won't try and predict what Iran is
26:47
Speaker 15: planning for us.
26:48
Speaker 16: Iran is one of the most vile regime in the world.
26:52
Speaker 15: This is the biggest sponsor of terror, the biggest the
26:54
Speaker 15: stabilizing force around not just the Middle East, but around
26:58
Speaker 15: the world.
26:59
Speaker 16: This is the monster that's.
27:01
Speaker 15: Been abusing, torturing, murdering its own people. And so I
27:06
Speaker 15: won't try and predict what they're actually going to do.
27:10
Speaker 15: What I can tell you is that we have a
27:12
Speaker 15: band of target to eliminate the double existent threat over
27:18
Speaker 15: our people, over our nation, and we will not stop
27:22
Speaker 15: until we eliminate that double existential threat from Iran.
27:27
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell, thanks so much for joining us, and thanks
27:30
Speaker 2: for your roving camera work into the bomb shelter there.
27:33
Speaker 2: I hope the threat there passes soon and you can
27:35
Speaker 2: all get out of that shelter.
27:36
Speaker 4: Keep keep in touch and thanks for your time.
27:38
Speaker 2: Thank you Sharon Haskell there, who's the Deputy Foreign Minister
27:42
Speaker 2: of Israel. For those of you who have been wondering
27:44
Speaker 2: what life is like in Israel under this threat, well
27:47
Speaker 2: you just saw it there unfolding live. Apart from air
27:49
Speaker 2: raid sirens, everybody has an app on their phone and
27:52
Speaker 2: they are alerted to incoming missiles. And obviously the most
27:57
Speaker 2: difficult time is when you're out in the opener on
27:59
Speaker 2: the road. Haskell was there. You need to find out
28:02
Speaker 2: where the nearest shelter is and get to it. They've
28:04
Speaker 2: done that safely, thankfully.
28:05
Speaker 3: A lot of times.
28:06
Speaker 2: People in their residential buildings or office buildings and the
28:09
Speaker 2: like will know exactly where to go, usually a car park.
28:12
Speaker 3: Underneath their building. But Sharon Haskell and.
28:14
Speaker 2: All those colleagues there you saw, including council workers getting
28:17
Speaker 2: into that synagogue and that safe room.
28:19
Speaker 3: We're trying to touch base with them and let you.
28:22
Speaker 2: Know later in the show whether any missile has made
28:24
Speaker 2: ground there in tele avivl whether it was able to
28:26
Speaker 2: be intercepted. Let's go to a man now who knows
28:29
Speaker 2: very much what it's like to live in Israel under
28:32
Speaker 2: these circumstances.
28:33
Speaker 4: That is.
28:33
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, Australia's former ambassador to Israel, now a Liberal
28:38
Speaker 2: Senator for New South Wales.
28:39
Speaker 4: So thanks for joining us again, Dave.
28:42
Speaker 2: Even back when you were ambassador, I remember talking to you.
28:45
Speaker 2: You and your family had to shelter when missiles were
28:48
Speaker 2: in coming from Gaza, So you know that, know that routine,
28:52
Speaker 2: If not the intensity that we're seeing it out at
28:54
Speaker 2: the moment, life in Israel is extremely difficult at the moment.
28:59
Speaker 14: Yeah, looks see those pictures of Sharan and the sirens
29:02
Speaker 14: go off and everyone's scrambling into the shelter brought back
29:05
Speaker 14: many memories for me. I was there when Hamas was
29:08
Speaker 14: firing rockets. I wouldn't want to compare the two situations,
29:12
Speaker 14: though the ballistic missiles around as firing regularly at civilian areas,
29:17
Speaker 14: It should be pointed out civilian areas in Israel pose
29:20
Speaker 14: are much greater risk than anything I had to live
29:22
Speaker 14: under there.
29:23
Speaker 1: Certainly the scenes are very familiar to me.
29:26
Speaker 3: Now, this is the point about what's going on here, right.
29:28
Speaker 2: The Americans have come in with this spectacular attack to
29:31
Speaker 2: take out the nuclear facilities, which is the illegal aspect
29:35
Speaker 2: that the whole.
29:36
Speaker 3: World is supposed to support.
29:37
Speaker 2: The whole world has been against Iran getting nuclear weapons,
29:40
Speaker 2: but you can't get at stability and peace in the region.
29:43
Speaker 2: And still Iran stops firing missiles into Israel.
29:47
Speaker 4: How close might.
29:48
Speaker 3: We be to that situation?
29:52
Speaker 14: Well, look around, Silk clearly has a significant number of
29:56
Speaker 14: ballistic missiles in its arsenal. Israel thinks that destroyed about
30:00
Speaker 14: one third to one half of the launchers. That Iran
30:04
Speaker 14: has several thousand ballistic missiles of the estimates, so it
30:07
Speaker 14: seems they are still.
30:08
Speaker 1: Able to be doing this.
30:10
Speaker 14: I think that the thing the world is watching most
30:12
Speaker 14: close to, though, is does Iran seek to widen this
30:14
Speaker 14: conflict now following the US structure? Do they start to
30:17
Speaker 14: attack US personnel or bases in the region. Do they
30:20
Speaker 14: seek to disrupt shipping in the straight up my moves?
30:23
Speaker 14: Do they activate terror cells that they've cultivated over many
30:26
Speaker 14: years in third countries and conduct terrorist attacks? And I
30:30
Speaker 14: think we all need to be on guard for what
30:32
Speaker 14: sort of form this retaliation might take.
30:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, this is the point I was making with
30:38
Speaker 2: Paul Murray last night. Though that sounds in irrational course
30:43
Speaker 2: of conduct because it would backfire on Iran badly. America
30:47
Speaker 2: would get involved and retaliate, but Iran is not a
30:51
Speaker 2: rational actor.
30:54
Speaker 14: No, And look, you've got to remember there's the Iranian
30:56
Speaker 14: regime and there's the Iranian people, and the interests of
30:58
Speaker 14: the two can often be quite far apart. The regime
31:03
Speaker 14: and the leadership, the AIGC, the Supreme leader. They will
31:08
Speaker 14: be looking at what allows them to continue to run
31:10
Speaker 14: and control the country, and if that potentially risks more
31:15
Speaker 14: devastation to their own people, I think that will take that.
31:18
Speaker 14: I mean, they've shown themselves to be a brutal regime
31:21
Speaker 14: in years passed, in stamping down protests about women's rights
31:25
Speaker 14: and freedoms, in executing conducting one of the largest numbers
31:28
Speaker 14: of executions anywhere in the world on a yearly basis.
31:32
Speaker 14: So they have no compunctions about punishing their own people
31:35
Speaker 14: if it secures their own grip on power, and that
31:37
Speaker 14: will be the calculation they're going through. Now, what allows
31:40
Speaker 14: their regimes, not what is best for their country.
31:43
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just going to ask you this, the astounding
31:46
Speaker 2: turnaround from Anthony Albanesi and Penny Wong. Suddenly they now
31:49
Speaker 2: support the American action. They should have been supporting it.
31:53
Speaker 2: Last week.
31:54
Speaker 3: They didn't even support it yesterday.
31:56
Speaker 2: They've come to their senses today now as a form
31:59
Speaker 2: of diplomat one.
31:59
Speaker 3: Is served in Washington.
32:01
Speaker 2: Do you think the US has got onto them, either
32:03
Speaker 2: through our embassy, in their embassy in Australia or in
32:06
Speaker 2: Washington and demanded that there as an ally they actually
32:09
Speaker 2: mouthed something that could be described as support.
32:13
Speaker 14: I think that's very likely, Chris. I mean, I was
32:16
Speaker 14: gobsmacked by the level of amateurishness shown by the government
32:21
Speaker 14: yesterday to not had anyone significant from the media to
32:25
Speaker 14: put out a bland anotine statement which said nothing attributable
32:29
Speaker 14: only to a government spokesperson, when the Australian public is
32:33
Speaker 14: rightly looking to their elected leadership to say, what do
32:36
Speaker 14: we think about this, what does it mean for Australia,
32:39
Speaker 14: What does it mean for Australians in the region, what
32:41
Speaker 14: does it mean for our safety and security?
32:43
Speaker 1: And the government was absent from the field.
32:45
Speaker 14: It's I mean, it's amateurish and I can only think
32:49
Speaker 14: that they got a full court press from Washington last night.
32:52
Speaker 14: Once Washington came online at about ten o'clock our time
32:55
Speaker 14: last night and they said, what on earth are you doing?
32:58
Speaker 1: I mean, what kind of ia. You cannot come out
33:01
Speaker 1: and support.
33:02
Speaker 14: Something it's straightforward like this that suits is in Australia's
33:06
Speaker 14: national interests, not just America's national exactly Israeli's national interest.
33:09
Speaker 14: It's in our national interest. That's why we should be
33:12
Speaker 14: speaking out in support of it.
33:13
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, David, appreciate it, Senator Dave Sharma.
33:17
Speaker 3: This is my instinct.
33:17
Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the program, America
33:19
Speaker 2: must have gotten on the blower to them. They've been
33:22
Speaker 2: pulled into line, which is a very embarrassing way for
33:25
Speaker 2: a mob to run our foreign policy. We'll never prove that,
33:28
Speaker 2: We'll never know that for sure, but you join the
33:30
Speaker 2: dots yourself.
33:31
Speaker 3: Got to take a break now.
33:32
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
33:33
Speaker 2: security and defense expert Peter Jennings to find.
33:36
Speaker 3: Out about the threat of terrorism now around the world.
33:44
Speaker 2: Let's catch up again with Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis Australia,
33:47
Speaker 2: joining US live from Canberra. Peter, g you have been
33:50
Speaker 2: busy the last few days. Let me pick your brains again.
33:54
Speaker 2: What happens next? What is your biggest concern about a
33:59
Speaker 2: possible Iranian response? Well, I guess it comes down to Chris,
34:06
Speaker 2: you know how much capacity the regime has got to
34:09
Speaker 2: undertake responses. It's rapidly losing its ability to launch missiles
34:14
Speaker 2: against Israel. So I think the key question is what
34:17
Speaker 2: connections does it have with its network of proxy groups.
34:20
Speaker 17: Is it able, for example, to mobilize the Hoothies to
34:23
Speaker 17: go and interrupt shipping in the Red Sea? Can it
34:27
Speaker 17: engage its network, said in Iraq, to attack American military
34:31
Speaker 17: bases and infrastructure. It's just not clear to me at
34:35
Speaker 17: this stage how much command and control capacity the regime
34:39
Speaker 17: has got left because Israel did such an effective job
34:42
Speaker 17: of destroying that in the in the first ten days
34:44
Speaker 17: of the campaign. But I think that's what we've got
34:47
Speaker 17: to watch for, is will they now try and take
34:50
Speaker 17: this international using their proxy groups and how much control
34:55
Speaker 17: do they still have over those people Now When we.
34:57
Speaker 2: Look to terrorism, the alert in in the US isn't
35:00
Speaker 2: really an escalation. It's more a reminder, I suppose of
35:03
Speaker 2: the terror alert. We haven't increased the terror alert in Australia,
35:07
Speaker 2: although it's that probable. I think from recollection, how worried
35:11
Speaker 2: should we be about terrorism, not just in the Middle East,
35:14
Speaker 2: but around the world.
35:16
Speaker 17: I think there's always a concern when you have these
35:19
Speaker 17: international events that there's the risk of copycat behavior, which
35:24
Speaker 17: might have a number of lone wolf people acting in
35:28
Speaker 17: their own capacity, not necessarily being directed by the Iranian
35:31
Speaker 17: state in any way. But that's always a risk. And
35:35
Speaker 17: then you know, we can't discount the fact that Irun
35:37
Speaker 17: has over decades run terrorist activities internationally through Heswella and
35:44
Speaker 17: other places, and has been responsible for terrorist acts, including
35:48
Speaker 17: in Latin America. So it's not impossible that that can
35:52
Speaker 17: be brought to bear again. I think we have to
35:55
Speaker 17: take it seriously, and I have no doubt that our
35:58
Speaker 17: intelligence agencies would be looking at this very closely, Chris,
36:01
Speaker 17: even as we spect.
36:02
Speaker 3: This is where I want to bring you back to
36:04
Speaker 3: Iraq right now.
36:05
Speaker 2: While countries like Saudi Arabia have condemned the American action,
36:09
Speaker 2: they kind of have to go through that pro form
36:11
Speaker 2: of process, don't they. I would have thought secretly all
36:14
Speaker 2: that Sunni Arab world will be very, very pleased that
36:17
Speaker 2: Iran is looking like getting boxed in. But where does
36:20
Speaker 2: Iran lie up with Militia's there the sheer control there
36:26
Speaker 2: old enmities of course, with Iran in the Saturn the
36:30
Speaker 2: same days.
36:30
Speaker 3: But it is Iran's response to what's unfolding.
36:35
Speaker 4: Here going to be pivotal.
36:38
Speaker 17: I think more the potential role of those militia groups
36:43
Speaker 17: which are still more under the control of Tehran, rather
36:46
Speaker 17: than anything that Iraq does itself. You know my senses
36:52
Speaker 17: that Iraq has been relatively quiet in the last eighteen
36:56
Speaker 17: months or so, Whilst Israel has been damaging the proxy
37:01
Speaker 17: groups in Gaza, damaging Hesbela in Lebanon, and then doing
37:06
Speaker 17: significant work in Syria to damage the interests of Hesbelah
37:10
Speaker 17: and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. What's been going on in Iraq?
37:14
Speaker 17: And of course that's the place where we still have
37:16
Speaker 17: a significant number of American military forces based, particularly around
37:20
Speaker 17: the the in the Kurdish area and on.
37:23
Speaker 1: The on the Turkish border.
37:24
Speaker 4: But that's why it could be.
37:27
Speaker 17: Yes, exactly, there is a risk, and I think Iraq
37:30
Speaker 17: is where I would be looking to to see maybe, well,
37:32
Speaker 17: if something happens by way of proxy group behavior, maybe
37:37
Speaker 17: that's where it will take place.
37:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.
37:39
Speaker 2: But just briefly, you've written extensively about this, But now
37:43
Speaker 2: that you've seen the alban Ezy labor government to offer
37:46
Speaker 2: some wishy washy support to the US.
37:48
Speaker 3: What do you thinks gone on there?
37:50
Speaker 2: Have they have they is a conversion on the road
37:53
Speaker 2: to Damascus or have they been pulled into line by Washington.
37:58
Speaker 17: Well, it seemed to me that the FIGN Minister and
38:00
Speaker 17: Prime Minister looked extremely uncomfortable and not particularly wishing to
38:04
Speaker 17: front the media today Chris in coming out with their support.
38:09
Speaker 17: I think their foreign policy has been shockingly amateurish here,
38:13
Speaker 17: and it's failed to take account of the fact that
38:14
Speaker 17: we've got an important alliance with the United States and
38:17
Speaker 17: need some very significant things from the Americans in order
38:21
Speaker 17: for ORCUS to work and for our security to continue
38:24
Speaker 17: to be underwritten in the Asia Pacific, and yet we've
38:27
Speaker 17: had this casual disregard of the Trump administration. Something has
38:32
Speaker 17: now happened, I think to bring that reality home to
38:34
Speaker 17: the government. It'll be very interesting to see how the
38:37
Speaker 17: Americans choose to take play this out publicly or privately
38:41
Speaker 17: in coming days.
38:42
Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks so much for joining us again, Peter, really
38:45
Speaker 2: appreciate your insights. Peter Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia.
38:49
Speaker 2: You can read his commentary on this in the Australian
38:52
Speaker 2: on their website. If you get the chance, we've got
38:53
Speaker 2: to get to a break. On the other side of that,
38:54
Speaker 2: We're going back to Jerusalem, this time in Israel and
38:57
Speaker 2: get the latest on the situation there from Jonathan Spire.
39:05
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Israel, this time to Jerusalem and
39:07
Speaker 2: catch up with Jonathan Spire again. He's with the Middle
39:09
Speaker 2: East Forum. He's a journalist, author and Middle East expert.
39:13
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you again, Jonathan. I was
39:15
Speaker 2: going to ask you about whether there's more missiles coming in,
39:19
Speaker 2: but just half an hour ago we were speaking with
39:21
Speaker 2: Sharon Haskell live in Tel Aviv and she had to
39:26
Speaker 2: take us into a bomb shorter because there were alerts
39:29
Speaker 2: going off there. So this strong military intervention by the US,
39:33
Speaker 2: which has obviously been welcomed by most Israelis, certainly hasn't
39:37
Speaker 2: stopped the incoming missile attacks.
39:41
Speaker 10: Well, that's absolutely right, Chris and India. You're right to
39:43
Speaker 10: point out this morning there have been sirens and reports
39:46
Speaker 10: of a new fresh barrage of Iranian missiles coming in,
39:49
Speaker 10: also in the north around Haifa, also in the south
39:53
Speaker 10: around Ashdod. From what I've been reading in recent minutes,
39:57
Speaker 10: so Yeah, clearly the Iranians intend to keep this ongoing
40:01
Speaker 10: series of missile tacks going. Having said that, yeah, the
40:03
Speaker 10: damage to property is very significant. The damage to lives,
40:09
Speaker 10: and whilst lot of every life is of course an
40:11
Speaker 10: absolute tragedy, has been limited twenty four people killed so far.
40:16
Speaker 10: Israelis are responding to the orders of the Home Front
40:20
Speaker 10: Command with regard to going to shelters and sealed rooms
40:24
Speaker 10: where needed, and it does seem that those rules and
40:27
Speaker 10: those precautions save lives. And as long as that continues,
40:30
Speaker 10: I think, I mean, the Uranians can keep this up,
40:32
Speaker 10: but if they think they're going to get any result
40:35
Speaker 10: from it, I think they're sorely mistaken. Israel still has
40:38
Speaker 10: freedom of the skies over Iran, and it's continuing to
40:41
Speaker 10: hit at Iranian military and regime and nuclear related targets
40:46
Speaker 10: on a daily basis, So the Uranians can keep this
40:48
Speaker 10: drip of missiles going, but I don't think they really
40:51
Speaker 10: stand to gain very much from it in terms of
40:53
Speaker 10: on a policy level.
40:54
Speaker 4: Yeah.
40:55
Speaker 2: Now, Jonathan, you've reported and traveled right across the region,
40:57
Speaker 2: You've speak spoken.
40:58
Speaker 18: To all players and malevolent and otherwise, what's your best
41:03
Speaker 18: guess on two key questions, that is, whether or not
41:06
Speaker 18: the US is going to be drawn into more military
41:09
Speaker 18: action against Iran, and secondly, what sort of response we
41:15
Speaker 18: should expect in the region from Iran other than missiles
41:18
Speaker 18: at Israel.
41:20
Speaker 10: Yes so, and of course the two questions are closely
41:24
Speaker 10: related in the sense that the United States has made
41:26
Speaker 10: clear that from its point of view, the action it
41:29
Speaker 10: took against Fordida and Natanz and Isfahan was not an
41:34
Speaker 10: entry into the war, but rather was an operation he
41:37
Speaker 10: wished to carry out for a specific goal, which means
41:40
Speaker 10: that if the Iranians do not carry out significant retaliation
41:44
Speaker 10: against the United States targets, then my senses, from the
41:48
Speaker 10: American point of view, America achieved what it wishes what
41:51
Speaker 10: it wished to achieve. So the question is then will
41:54
Speaker 10: the Uranians respond and how will they respond? First of all,
41:57
Speaker 10: we have experienced with the Iranians that they can take
42:00
Speaker 10: a long time to respond. For example, you know when
42:03
Speaker 10: Israel carried out its retaliation against Iranian attack, the Iranian
42:07
Speaker 10: attack in April twenty twenty four, the Uranians didn't then
42:10
Speaker 10: respond to that till October, so they can take their time.
42:13
Speaker 10: This is one thing to note. I also note that
42:16
Speaker 10: your previous guest Peter Jennings correctly pointed out that Iranian
42:20
Speaker 10: capacities with regard to its proxies, and indeed perhaps command
42:23
Speaker 10: and control with regard to its proxies, have been very
42:26
Speaker 10: severely hit at by Israel's actions in recent months. Having
42:30
Speaker 10: said that, yeah, they do have this array of proxies
42:32
Speaker 10: in Iraq, in Lebanon, also of course in Yemen they
42:37
Speaker 10: have targets as well. It's conceivable that the Uranians could
42:40
Speaker 10: seek to block the Strait of Hormuz, that vital artery
42:45
Speaker 10: for the traffic for the passing of oil and petroleum
42:49
Speaker 10: related products. Twenty percent of the world's exported petroleum and
42:52
Speaker 10: all products goes through that straight. They could do that,
42:55
Speaker 10: but if they do that, that means a declaration of
42:58
Speaker 10: war on America. Essentially in America will of course respond
43:01
Speaker 10: same with regard to the proxies in Iraq, the Americans
43:03
Speaker 10: have their bases at an Asad Air Base in Arabil,
43:07
Speaker 10: also in the Kurdish area. It's conceivable that the militias
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Speaker 10: could try to hit that with drones or with missiles.
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Speaker 10: They have that array, but again the Uranians have to
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Speaker 10: calculate the cost if they do this. There will be
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Speaker 10: a further American escalation. The Americans are very very strong
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Speaker 10: their capacities obviously, and Israel's capacities vastly outweigh those of
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Speaker 10: the Uranians. So the Supreme Leader has to think very carefully.
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Speaker 10: By doing nothing, he looks very weak, but if he
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Speaker 10: does something, he could be made to look weaker still
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Speaker 10: by the retaliation which would totally follow.
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Speaker 2: He needs to act rationally, and it's not what we
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Speaker 2: have come to expect from a run. Thanks so much,
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Speaker 2: Jonathan for your insights, so I appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: We'll catch up with you again.
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Spy there with the Middle East Forum, joining us
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Speaker 2: live from Jerusalem. We're way behind time here, got to
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Speaker 2: get to a break. On the other side, we'll catch
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Speaker 2: up the panel. With the panel, we'll talk about another
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Speaker 2: horrible anti Semitic attack.
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Speaker 4: In Melbourne, but better news in Melbourne.
43:57
Speaker 3: Akadaca are coming back.
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44:44
Speaker 2: panel now with Caroline Derusso, who of course is the
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Speaker 2: Royal Report host joins us as ever from Perth, and
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Speaker 2: Christie McSweeney from the PR Council where she's managing director
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Speaker 2: joins us from Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: Great to talk to.
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Speaker 3: Both of you, but I want to start in Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: Christy.
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Speaker 2: This annie semitic attack against a synagogue there.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, this stuff just keeps on going.
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Speaker 2: It's horrific, all right, there's no fire bombing, but there's
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Speaker 2: horrible graffiti spray there.
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Speaker 3: What's the reaction being like in Melbourne today.
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Speaker 19: Well, the reaction of Melbourne's Jewish community and people in
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Speaker 19: Melbourne who wish the government had originally leant in to
45:23
Speaker 19: supporting the Jewish community against these attacks and perhaps stepping
45:26
Speaker 19: up at police presence and perhaps cracking down on protests
45:30
Speaker 19: that they allowed to go ahead, particularly in a park
45:34
Speaker 19: next to a synagogue or Shabbat Friday are shortly after
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Speaker 19: October seven. So the government hasn't given very good signals
45:41
Speaker 19: to the Jewish community of Melbourne or the community the
45:44
Speaker 19: wider community of Melbourne that they will crack down on
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Speaker 19: people engaging and hateful behavior and hate speech that the
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Speaker 19: Jewish community here in Melbourne and where I live in
45:55
Speaker 19: Saint Kilda East, so it's in my neighborhood, in my backyard.
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Speaker 19: It hasn't given anybody in the Jewish community confidence that
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Speaker 19: people engaging this will be prosecuted, that the police are
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Speaker 19: actively looking for them, or that the safety of the
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Speaker 19: Jewish community is of paramount to the Victorian government or
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Speaker 19: the Victorian police.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Iran is the bomb, said one of the bits
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Speaker 2: of graffiti.
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Speaker 3: Here's what the rabbi had to say.
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Speaker 20: Understand there's frustration and defensive opinion, but there's a form
46:27
Speaker 20: to play that out and it's with dialogue. Don't go
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Speaker 20: and cause crime, and don't cause harm to other people.
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Speaker 4: That's in Australian Yeah, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to the national response here too,
46:37
Speaker 2: because normally I've been crying out for a strong response
46:41
Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister to anti semitism for more than
46:44
Speaker 2: twenty months now. It's just not been forthcoming. And we
46:47
Speaker 2: see even over the past week with the whole focus
46:49
Speaker 2: on Iran and this nuclear program, he is just so weak.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, and he was in Melbourne, which meant he couldn't
46:59
Speaker 21: deal with this. Apparently. We've been having this conversation, Chris
47:03
Speaker 21: for a very long time, and it goes all the
47:05
Speaker 21: way back to the steps of the Opera House, and
47:09
Speaker 21: if this had been dealt with appropriately at the time,
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Speaker 21: unambiguously at the time, then we wouldn't be having to
47:17
Speaker 21: try and mop up the consequences of that total failure
47:21
Speaker 21: of leadership two and a bit years down the track.
47:26
Speaker 21: And the simple fact of the matter is the federal
47:28
Speaker 21: government haven't been strong on this. By all means, people
47:33
Speaker 21: can have different opinions, but if people are going to
47:36
Speaker 21: have this view that well it's not anti semitismism to
47:41
Speaker 21: criticize Israel and by all means criticize the actions of
47:45
Speaker 21: that government you're welcome to. There is no government that
47:48
Speaker 21: is beyond approach. Well, then you shouldn't be taking out
47:52
Speaker 21: whatever is happening over in the Middle East on our
47:54
Speaker 21: Jewish community here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just crying out for leadership and strength. They
47:59
Speaker 2: just voice your opinions, as the rabbi said there but
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Speaker 2: this sort of hatred, there's just no call for it.
48:05
Speaker 4: When I think about albou.
48:08
Speaker 2: And his government and the decisions he's taken on a
48:11
Speaker 2: number of areas, despite the fact that he just got
48:13
Speaker 2: re elected with a very low primary vote, I think
48:17
Speaker 2: about the track that he's set this country on and
48:20
Speaker 2: I reckon.
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Speaker 4: Someone wrote a song about it many years ago.
48:33
Speaker 3: I couldn't resist it.
48:34
Speaker 4: Carol.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like where they're taking us, this federal government.
48:37
Speaker 2: But because this is the good news story of the day,
48:40
Speaker 2: Akadaka are heading back to Australia, touring around the country
48:44
Speaker 2: and big, big plans in Melbourne. Of course, everyone's hoping
48:47
Speaker 2: they're going to redo their long way to the top.
48:49
Speaker 2: If you want to rock and roll film clip, Will
48:50
Speaker 2: you be lining up for a ticket?
48:52
Speaker 3: Caroline?
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Speaker 21: Look, I am all for a gig and Chris. I
48:58
Speaker 21: even flew to Adelaide to see the Rolling Stones with
49:01
Speaker 21: our good friend Jemmy Toniini, and then we came back
49:04
Speaker 21: to Perth and saw them again a week later. I'm
49:08
Speaker 21: all for this sort of thing, and I think that
49:11
Speaker 21: you know, it takes a lot of us back to
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Speaker 21: a really nostalgic period of Australia, the great days.
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Speaker 8: Of pub rock and roll and live.
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Speaker 21: Music and those things which I actually really really miss.
49:22
Speaker 8: And I'm showing my age, quite your age.
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Speaker 16: But still my age, Chris.
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Speaker 8: It's a wonderful thing to do.
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Speaker 3: You're both too young to remember the seventies. Will you
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Speaker 3: be there, Chrissy?
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Speaker 16: I absolutely will you?
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Speaker 19: Right, Chris, it always has been the Australian national anthem.
49:37
Speaker 19: Somewhat it might have to be repurpose, I think so.
49:41
Speaker 19: Four days after Stakes Day, fantastic from.
49:44
Speaker 3: The Races the spring Cardiffy.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Christy and Caroline right out of time,
49:49
Speaker 2: Right out of time or two who loved the horse
49:51
Speaker 2: racing And Akadaka is Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 4: He he is now