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  Speaker 1: When I discover something that I said is fault, I
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  Speaker 2: And I did say last time when we talked about
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein files, the Epstein files, that there were photos
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  Speaker 2: in the files of Momdanni with his mother Donnie as
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  Speaker 2: a child with his mother and Epstein and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Turns out those were all fake AI generated. Didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: What real?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the challenge with these Epstein files. Not only
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  Speaker 2: are some of the files themselves from people who have
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  Speaker 2: I apologize and not checking that on in advance, but yes,
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  Speaker 2: and I did not I did not check it. So no,
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  Speaker 2: Mam Donnie's mom Danny is was.
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  Speaker 1: Not photographed with Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: Mom Donny is not the love child of Epstein's mother,
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  Speaker 2: of Epstein and Mom Donnie's mother. None of those intimate
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  Speaker 2: claims are true. I don't think I mentioned the second one,
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  Speaker 2: but the first one is uh is clearly uh is
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  Speaker 1: Whole show without.
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  Speaker 2: Without interruption, without any interruptions.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's see where I think the biggest story.
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  Speaker 2: Right now that is floating out there, and.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly we don't know much and it's hard to tell
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  Speaker 1: where all this is going is the Uranian story.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: To remind everybody, Donald Trump promised the protesters that the
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  Speaker 2: United States would go after the regime if the regime
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  Speaker 2: killed any of them. The regime landed up killing somewhere between,
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  Speaker 2: it is assumed again this is not I have no
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  Speaker 2: way to verify this information, but it's assumed somewhere between
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  Speaker 2: thirty to forty thousand people.
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  Speaker 1: And Donald Trump has so far done nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it is true that over the last few weeks,
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  Speaker 2: significant military assets have been moved into the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: for a possible military action against against the Iranian regime.
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  Speaker 2: And it is it's it's going to be uh uh.
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  Speaker 2: But so the assets are there, but no indicasion yet
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  Speaker 2: has been regarding regarding any kind of military action. Now
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  Speaker 2: there is still some speculation and again hard to tell
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  Speaker 2: that air defense systems are still being brought into the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East. You know, by some accounts their defense systems
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  Speaker 2: were being dismantled in Japan and and shipped to the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: And and they're really.
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  Speaker 2: Beefing up air defense system throughout the area to defend
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  Speaker 2: Israel and to defend the United States Arab allies in
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  Speaker 2: the region. But over the last three weeks, Trump has
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  Speaker 2: basically changed his tone from locked and loaded and uh
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  Speaker 2: and uh you know, we will make them pay, to
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  Speaker 2: a tone of reconciliation, to the idea of negotiation, to
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  Speaker 2: the idea that that a deal, a deal is what
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  Speaker 2: he really wants. He wants to kind of deal with
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  Speaker 2: the Iranians. Different interpretations in terms of what that deal
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  Speaker 2: would constitute have been presented. At the you know, at
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  Speaker 2: the bare minimum, it seems like what the Trumpet administration
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  Speaker 2: was is an and to the nuclear program, an and
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  Speaker 2: to the expansion of realistic missiles a h an end
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  Speaker 2: to the support of of the terrorist organizations, the hutis
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  Speaker 2: and others, so regional regional allies. Those seem to be
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  Speaker 2: the things that the Trump administration is demanding.
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  Speaker 1: None of those, by the way, it's just there's an as.
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  Speaker 1: None of those, not a single one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Aids the people of Iran, and not a single one
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  Speaker 2: of those is in support of them. That is what Again,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it shouldn't be the focus of American farm policy.
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  Speaker 2: But given that Trump promised and to support them, none
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  Speaker 2: of that helps him. None of that promotes freedom with
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  Speaker 2: liberty for them. None of them changes the horrors that
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  Speaker 2: they have witnessed and are likely to witness in the future. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, well, this is all completely expected, very disappointing,
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  Speaker 2: very disappointing for many people right now. Some of this
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  Speaker 2: is bewildering, right because we were told over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over again that in June that the bombing with
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  Speaker 2: the B two's basically destroyed Iranian's nuclear capabilities, that is,
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  Speaker 2: the Iranian nuclear program was dead.
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  Speaker 1: Trump told us this. All his generals told us this.
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  Speaker 2: It was a huge success, we were told and the
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  Speaker 2: nuclear program was finished. Indeed, when there was a leak
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  Speaker 2: from the from military intelligence suggesting maybe this only only
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  Speaker 2: slowed them down for a few months, uh, Trump and
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  Speaker 2: hegseeth freaked out and.
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  Speaker 1: And UH and called it, you know, called it false
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  Speaker 1: and worse than that.
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  Speaker 2: And now the number one agender item know that they
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  Speaker 2: have is to stop the Ranians of developing nukes. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was already done. I thought that was already done.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Supposedly on Friday, they are going to be They're going
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  Speaker 2: to be talks between the United States Iran and in
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  Speaker 2: number of UH supporters supporters, uh in number of of supporters,
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  Speaker 2: not supporters, A number of United States allies in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East, So Saudi Arabia Cattail might be there, he
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  Speaker 2: might be there. A number of these are countries would
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  Speaker 2: be there. This is where the negotiations are supposed to happen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you're honest up to its usual tricks and delays and
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  Speaker 2: delay tactics and so on. It has already announced that no,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't like the idea of doing this meeting in Turkey.
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  Speaker 2: They would like to move it to Oman. And they
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  Speaker 2: don't want all these other countries. They wanted just one
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  Speaker 2: on one with the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how genuine this is. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what this actually means. It's probably just the lay tactics.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably just to throw wrench at it, wrench in
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  Speaker 2: the negotiation. It's supposed to rattle the cages a little
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  Speaker 2: bit for the Americans. I don't think any of this
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  Speaker 2: is really material or makes much of a difference. At
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  Speaker 2: the same time, wit cough, Whitcoff, cut, how cut, how
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  Speaker 2: chic witcof Witcoff, who has vast and now financial interest
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  Speaker 2: in the Red least has seen a lot dge investment
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  Speaker 2: by the UAE into his business, the Katari's into his businesses,
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  Speaker 2: and who knows what else. I mean, the guy's one
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  Speaker 2: of the most corrupt government officials in American history.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Wikoff, who seems to be an advocate for the Katari government,
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  Speaker 2: not for the American government. Certainly enough of the Israeli
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  Speaker 2: government is now in Tel Aviv as we speak speaking
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  Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: He's there on his way to the negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: With Iran wherever they land up being held in Oman
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  Speaker 2: or in Turkey and biledal trilteral quad who knows, supposedly
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  Speaker 2: to figure out from the Israelis, what are the red lines?
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  Speaker 2: What is as you're willing to accept and what it's
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  Speaker 2: not willing to accept as.
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  Speaker 1: A deal with Iran.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the very notion of a deal with Iran
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  Speaker 2: should be rejected by the Israelis and should be viewed
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  Speaker 2: as offensive by Americans. I mean, this president is selling
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  Speaker 2: you out, if any Iran's nuclear program, which he has
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  Speaker 2: advocated for since he became president of twenty sixteen. This
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  Speaker 2: has been a major item for him. If ending the
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  Speaker 2: Ranian and he bombed you on in an attempt to
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  Speaker 2: do that. If that is the primary goal, and if
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  Speaker 2: the goal is to eradicate the threat the Iranians posed
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  Speaker 2: to the United States, then military.
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  Speaker 1: Action is required.
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  Speaker 2: If the President of the United States drawing red lines,
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  Speaker 2: if that requires actually fulfilling those red lines. If we
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  Speaker 2: believe that when the President of the United States says
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  Speaker 2: don't cross this line or else, then or else, needs
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Else here is physical force or else here
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  Speaker 2: is not. Well, we negotiate, we'll figure.
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  Speaker 1: It out anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Witcoff is figuring out what the red lines are for
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  Speaker 2: the Israelis. What are the red lines for Americans? I
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  Speaker 2: guess Trump just wants a deal. A deal, That's what
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  Speaker 2: it matters, That's what matters. He doesn't want to engage
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  Speaker 2: in military activity. He promised Baga known new what was
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  Speaker 2: and he is not interest that in pursuing that track.
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  Speaker 2: Who cares about the Uranian people? Who cares about the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Ran has cheated lied about It's uh oh god,
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  Speaker 2: but it's previous deals. Remember all the criticism from Republicans
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  Speaker 2: regarding the Obama nuclear deal. Well, this is this, this
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  Speaker 2: is unlikely to be any better. So why the sudden changed?
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  Speaker 2: It's Trump. It's it's complete, it's complete wim worship. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't want military action. Military actions could
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  Speaker 2: get ugly, could you complicated? You have to have a
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  Speaker 2: long term strategy, you have to figure out what you
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  Speaker 2: want to achieve. You have to be you have to
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  Speaker 2: be willing to take casualties. I don't think Trump is
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  Speaker 2: willing to do any of those things. Now he might
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  Speaker 2: be backed into a corner where he has no option
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  Speaker 2: but to engage in military activity, and and and the
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  Speaker 2: Iranians are dumb enough to to to potentially provide him
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  Speaker 2: with that excuse.
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  Speaker 1: Will get to that in a minute. But it really
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  Speaker 1: seems like he is trying.
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  Speaker 2: To avoid military activity, military action as much as he can.
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  Speaker 2: He's selling out, selling out Americans, selling out Israel, selling
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  Speaker 2: out the Iranian people. He is destroying any credibility you
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  Speaker 2: wan as the Americans have ever had, destroying the the
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  Speaker 2: idea of people fearing the United States. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: they fear is maybe the uncertainty they're not knowing what
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  Speaker 2: Trump will do.
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  Speaker 1: But is that any.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Deterrent you know? This is this destroying the deterrent power
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  Speaker 2: of the US. Venezuela is a big step forward in
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  Speaker 2: terms of if nothing else, I don't think there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of value there, but the one thing he
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  Speaker 2: did is that it showed US capabilities and maybe so
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  Speaker 2: there's deterrent to.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the bad guys in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's hesitation, dragging out cowardice when it comes to Iran,
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  Speaker 2: UH is going to do.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna take away any deterrent power the
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  Speaker 2: United States had or might have. So yeah, we'll keep watching.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, the Ranians are being aggressive. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Ranians are thinking, but they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to prod the bear or the or the or
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  Speaker 2: the lion or the tie guy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they think that the more they prod Trump,
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  Speaker 2: the more he will, uh you know, capitulate, the less
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  Speaker 2: committit he will to military action. But so earlier today,
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  Speaker 2: a drone, an Iranian drone on its way to the
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  Speaker 2: aircraft carrier that's in the Arabian Sea. US try to
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  Speaker 2: get the drone to divote from its path. Its path
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  Speaker 2: was directly towards the aircraft carrier. So F thirty five
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  Speaker 2: was launched and it shut the drone down. An Iranian
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  Speaker 2: drone being aggressive towards an American aircraft carrier. Not to
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  Speaker 2: exactly what motivates the Ranians to do something like that,
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  Speaker 2: other than to other than to cause the United States
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  Speaker 2: to actually act militarily. Maybe, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We've got two parties here. I think Uranians in the US,
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  Speaker 2: both of whom both to lack any sense of strategy,
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  Speaker 2: long term thinking, and rationality. We've got two parties here
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  Speaker 2: who I think are shaped by whim and and that
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  Speaker 2: is that is not good for us. It's like of anybody,
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  Speaker 2: because it's really almost impossible to tell what is going
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  Speaker 2: to happen and how it's all going to turn out.
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  Speaker 1: And they're both playing with fire. In addition to the
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  Speaker 1: drone being.
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  Speaker 2: Sent towards the American aircraft carrier, a number of small
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  Speaker 2: attack boats Iranian attack boats came close to a to
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  Speaker 2: a a ship carrying oil and and they a ship
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  Speaker 2: that actually was American flagged. Not sore why it would
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  Speaker 2: be American flagged in those waters, but American flagged in
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  Speaker 2: the home or straits, so so in in the Gulf
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  Speaker 2: uh and it was on its way I think from
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  Speaker 2: behind and demand and and said.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: That they would board the ship. It told the ship
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  Speaker 1: to prepare for boarding.
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  Speaker 2: The ship instead accelerated away and ultimately got met by
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  Speaker 2: a US Navy destroyer or ship I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 2: it was a destroyer and sailed away. The Ranians did
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  Speaker 2: not pursue again, not sure what the idea is. You
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  Speaker 2: think they think they'll have better negotiating power with Trump.
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  Speaker 2: If they take one of the one of the one
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of these ships, just yeah, it's it's it's a little.
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  Speaker 2: It's intriguing. The kind of games that are being paid
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  Speaker 2: played right now. Why are the Ranians shifting venues from
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Turkey to Oman? Why do they agree to that? Orab
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: countries joining the negotiation before and not now? Are they
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: just trying to harass? Are they just trying to delay?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Are they just trying to trying to distract? It really
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: is hard to tell what exactly is going on. I
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  Speaker 2: think overall, probably the most important meaning going on right
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: now is the one between Rikoff and Antoniell. I hope
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: these Raelis are indicating to the Americans the importance of
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  Speaker 2: military action, the necessity of military action.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I hope that.
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  Speaker 2: The Israelis are conveying to the Americans that the very
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  Speaker 2: existence of this regime is a red line, This regime
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  Speaker 2: must go.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt that. I doubt that these Raelis are making
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  Speaker 1: that a condition.
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  Speaker 2: They're probably more focused on, you know, nuclear, the nuclear program.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, the tons of refined uranium that the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Trump administration claimed to be destroyed, clearly from everything going
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: on right now, they were not destroyed and their location
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: is not exactly known because one of the demands Israel
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: is making, and one of the demands I think the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: US is going to make is that that uranium be
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: handed over to the United States, so to a third party.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: And there's some reports that how Many has already talked
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  Speaker 2: to the Russia, to Bhutin about the Uranians handing that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: material over to the Russians. But that material was destroyed
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  Speaker 2: in the attack in June. There wouldn't be any material
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  Speaker 2: to talk about, so it obviously was not. So, you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: how to tell exactly what's going on is how to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: tell what it's true and what is now?
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  Speaker 1: What is a game?
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  Speaker 2: What is you know, maybe the nuclear material doesn't exist
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  Speaker 2: in the Iranians of bluffing. Maybe the United States said
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  Speaker 2: a lot less damage than a thought to the nuclear
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  Speaker 2: program and the US was bluffing. Maybe it's somewhere in between.
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  Speaker 2: We we just don't know. But everything suggests that the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: US is eager to get a nuclear deal, will suggest
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that they're still a nuclear program going on in Iran
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  Speaker 2: and they never abandoned it. Israel is also wide about
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  Speaker 2: the ballistic missile program. They do not want thousands of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: ballistic missiles targeted at Israel. They would like that stopped
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  Speaker 2: dismandled no new production. It's hard for me to believe
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  Speaker 2: that Iran would agree to any one of those conditions,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: particularly the ballistic missiles. They will cut a deal in
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  Speaker 2: nuclear they have before they did with Obama.
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  Speaker 1: But imagine what would happen if they cut a deal now.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Trump lifts the sanctions, Iran sells huge quantities of oil
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  Speaker 2: and gets rich.
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  Speaker 1: Their money is going to be used for what well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They'll pay off their people.
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  Speaker 2: So that the merchants don't rise up again against them
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  Speaker 2: anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll send checks to everybody for a while, but
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  Speaker 1: ultimately that money.
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  Speaker 2: Will be there to build a covert nuclear program. That
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: money will be used to build more bailistic missiles, That
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: money will be used to undermine whatever the United States
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: thinks that it will achieve, and they negotiate a sentiments.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the principle, and it's principle that has been true
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  Speaker 2: throughout history, and it's a principle that well, it's principal,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and so it's not surprising that that people at Trump
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: would evade it completely, and indeed Israel has evaded it
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: over again, over many, many decades. You don't negotiate with evil.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to negotiating. They have everything to gain. In particular,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: there's zero reason. There's zero reason to negotiate with evil
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: when evil is as weak in comparison to the United
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: States and Israel as Iran is.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Israel in the United States could dismantle Iran.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, they could dismantle their offensive capabilities in a
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: couple of days. I mean, think about what Israel did
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: in the Twelve Day War. Yes, some ballistic missiles reached
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Israel and hit but the reality is that there's a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: lot more air defense systems in the Middle East right now.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So at least ninety percent of whatever Yuan puts up
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: into the air will.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Be shut down at least.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But beyond that, if you have the US Air Force involved,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: USA flat says, the capacity to destroy or know much
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of Uran's capabilities, to launch ballistic missiles before they're even launched,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to destroy the launchers, to destroy the silos where the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: missiles are hidden. That is, that would you know the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: chance that they could get off a significant number of
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: ballistic missiles and do a significant amount of damage. They
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: didn't do much damage to Israel when it was just
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Israel fighting basically now with the United States, within two days,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: it would be over at.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Least that part of it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And then once you get rid of the ballistic missiles
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and you get rid of their defense systems, which Israel
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: did very effectively in the Twelve Day War, then it's just.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: An issue of now taking out the.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Regime sites that are necessary to weaken them en off
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: so that they Radian people can overthrow them. And that
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: is I don't know how long that takes. That takes
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: five days, ten days, twenty days, It doesn't take long,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and it's very low risk. The riskiest part of an
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: operation like this is in the first twenty four hours,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: while you're dismantling whatever's left of the air defense systems,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: easing to believe that boasted them with supply from China
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: primarily and and now they have Chinese air defense systems.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, the the cost is very low, the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: benefit very very high. And yet Trump points to negotiating
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: now again, you could say he's playing three D chests
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and negotiations.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: There's just a way to delay.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: It's the delay tactics until he get till he gets
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: all the assets he wants in the area and then
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he launches.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe I hope that's right. I hope that's right.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So let's uh, uh, let's uh. We will wait and
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: see and and observe. But remember, good has nothing to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: benefit from negotiating with evil. Evil has nothing, no positive
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: values to provide. All it can do is stop using force.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But given that it's using force, the way the way
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to go after it, the way to eliminate somebody using
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: forces to eliminate them, it's to eliminate the capacity to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: use force. And since Israel in the United States have
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the means to do that, then you know they just
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: should and forget about the rest. Forget about the negotiations,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: which only benefits you on It sanctions the regime. It
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: gives them time. It pretends that they are legitimate player
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: on the world stage. It pretends that it's okay that
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: there are legitimate regime that we can negotiate, we can
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: talk to, we can you know, we can have a
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: conversation with they're legitimate players. But the good has everything
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to lose, and evil has everything to gain from negotiations.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: The good has nothing to gain for negotiations again, particularly
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: when the overwhelming it's the forwhelingly strong partner and the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: evil has you know, it has nothing to lose to negotiations.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: What the hell White?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Why not? So as I said, we.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: We will indeed see where this all leads us. All right,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I will keep you updated, keep an eye out for
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: breaking news and Iran again, if if an attack actually happens,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I will try to go live if I'm if it's possible.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's go live.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And here's by the way, a a military source in
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Israel commenting on the wit Coff and just the negotiations
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Israel is having with America. So the the meeting is
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: now concluded with wit Coff and the Israeli general and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I guess ntenneo. This is a defense official in Israel
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: saying we warned the Americans that the Iranians will violate
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: any agreement and that there's no point in trying to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: reach one. Under an agreement they won't dismantle then you
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: can programmed or missile capabilities. And part of the reasons
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: that trying to drag things out is likely in order
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: to transfer offensive weapons to hiding places.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So they are you know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: They're probably moving things around, right, But now hopefully Israel
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and the United States or satellites are monitoring those movements.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But Iran is a very big country. It's a very
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: big place, and it's hard.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: It's you know, you can move you can move this
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: stuff fairly easily and detected, I guess. But they are
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: moving them to places that Israel in the United States
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: haven't identified yet. And therefore when bombing will miss, we'll miss.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So Ion is the laying. Iran is the laying and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: will continue to delay. As I said, Trump's Oh so,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: there's a fourth demand that Crump has now nuclear program,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: ballistic missiles, funding proxy groups. The foot demand is proper
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: treatment of protesters who participate in the anti regime demonstrations. Well,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the Vedians will say, what we're doing is absolutely proper.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: We're hanging them. You know, none of this is none
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of this is actually gonna happen, whatever deal they'll renegon,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and but it's hard to believe they're leaving the greedir
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: deal with those kind of conditions, although again it's suicidal
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: for them not to if they believe the United States
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: will actually act.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: There is a chance, there is a chance that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: will not.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: All right, We'll keep monitoring and seeing if anything happens
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: that is new.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, as you know, there is a I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: don't know that we've talked about this. Actually there is
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a partial government shutdown going on right now because the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: budget was not approved because disagreements about funding ice appeared
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in the Senate.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The Senate had to take the bill that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Was passed by the House for continue a continued resolution
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that allowed provided money for the government, and they modified.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It in order to bring in provisions.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That that so basically they allowed for funding across the board,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: with funding for ice for only two weeks, in which
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: two weeks there would be negotiations to you know, change
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the functioning of ice or change the funding of ice
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: with the Democrats. That bill, because it was a new bill,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a different bill than the one the House passed, now
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: has to pass the House, and it's still until it
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: passes the House, it will not be h it does
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: not become it does not become a law, and the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: government stay shut down. Democrats have rallied and Democrats are
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: refusing to vote for this bill, for this bill, so
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: they were they were rallying to keep the gunman shut
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and to put pressure on Republicans to come up with
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: a solution for Ice sooner rather than later.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Rather than open the governor up and then negotiate. They're
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: keeping a shut down.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And even among Republicans there, you know, speaking, Johnson is
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: not getting all Republicans voting, and the and the fact
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: is that the House majority is worth three votes I think.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, so they're having.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You know, they're having Uh, he's having a real problem
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: trying to pass this bill. Two Republican House members have
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: said that they would vote against it or and uh,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I guess some are just not there, not.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: In DC right now to vote.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And so without those two votes, he doesn't have enough
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: votes to pass the bill. So for now, governor shut down.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: For now, negotiations will continue. It's kind of a it's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a it's a I think the technical term is shit
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: show that just that just continues.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, and uh, let's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: See, maybe maybe there's just being a change to that. Okay,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So a few minutes ago, twenty House Democrats flipped and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: voted with Republicans to reopen the government to keep the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security funded for two weeks.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And so there's a there's a.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Real split now between Democrats, those who wanted to keep
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the government closed until a deal was cut, and those
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: who agreed to vote for this and spend the next
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: two weeks negotiating with the with Republicans.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: We'll see what those negotiations lead to.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Democrats are demanding things like body cams there,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: demanding masks off. So they've got a number of things
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that they are demanding in terms of in terms of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: changes to the.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Behavior uh and actions of ICE.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Whether Republicans and Trump are willing to actually agree to that,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you know, is going to be hard to tell. Also,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Republicans Democrats assisting on what I think is the existing
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: law already, and that is that ICE cannot and to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: homes without a warrant a want signed by a judge.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: That's part of their demands that they will be fighting
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: over the next two weeks. But there's a good chance
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that ICE funding will disappear in two weeks, so we'll
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: see ICE not being funded and the rest of the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: government being funded.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Is actually I think an ideal outcome.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So hopefully they don't come to a deal a deal
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and ICE just stops getting funded and ICE agents stop
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: getting a salary and they have to pull them off
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the streets. I don't know if that's what would happen,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: but it would be cool if that happened. Also, with
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: regard to Ice, Senator An Paul is calling for hearings
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: in the Senate to talk about the shootings and to
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: talk about generally ICE's behavior.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So there are some.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Grumblings among Republicans wanting to maybe rein it in or
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: at least recognize the civil rights of Americans or you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you know, deal with the issues regarding the Second Amendment.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I guess I guess the Attorney General or sorry for
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the Justice about Perino, Who's what.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Is she in d C?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I think she's the attorney for the District of Columbia
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: basically announced that nobody is allowed to bring a gun
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: into d C and if they do, they'll be arrested.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And the Second Amendment people are just freaking out.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So this administration is really pissing off overall the Second Amendment.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: People who are a big chunk of their constituency.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So it is going to be interesting to see how
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: how the split between them develops and and where it
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: actually leads to. But yes, the Ice issue with this administration,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the politics of it House the Senate. Continuing, of course
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: ICE's abuse. Continue to see videos of Ice abusing people.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: The latest, I think came from LA. We'll continue to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: see these until there is some binding way in which
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to restrain.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Them, and.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: We'll see maybe this legislation will ultimately be what actually
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: restrains them.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, right, Let's see. I want
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to remind you all that, let's see, yes, a real judge,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a warrant from a real judge, not an administrative judge.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But an actual legal warrant from a judge, judge, judge.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Let's see.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: What did I want?
• 34:51
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• 36:08
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• 36:10
  Speaker 2: About Yeah, let me find find the right the right
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: article there it is so the Wall Street Journal today,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: uh it is well yesterday yesterday ran a story again
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: in the context of that, I'll add by Donald Trump
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that I talked about two days ago, where he was
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: raving about how tariffs were this amazing thing and how.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: It was producing this this.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Never seen before economy and how everything was going fantastically well.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal ran a story yesterday. This is
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the title of his story. And this is something I've
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: been telling you for months now, but it's nice to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: see it confirmed by the Wall Street Journal. It's nice
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to see it, you know. Now we have about a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: year worth of data since Trump took office too to evaluate,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and the title of it is US manufacturing is in
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: retreat and Trump's taliffs aren't helping. The subtitle is levees
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: on imports were supposed to bring back a golden age
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of US manufacturing. They haven't worked so far. And basically
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: what they show in this article is that post COVID,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in the years from twenty twenty three, manufacturing in the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: United States spiked and indeed reached really reached the highest
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: level you know, in terms of actual production, actual goods produced.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: And at the same time employment in manufacturing actually went
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: up and reached levels higher than the levels in twenty nineteen. Indeed,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they reached levels that around twenty twenty two twenty three
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the highest that they've been since two thousand and eight.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So manufacturing was seeing a boom in the United States
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: in the post COVID era. Since then, there's been a
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: slow decline in manufacturing jobs. It started under Biden, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: it has indeed accelerated since the tasks were passed.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And the question is, you know, why is this?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: It would seem that tariffs mean that farm producer goods
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: produced good manufactured goods are more expensive, and then it
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: becomes cheaper to produce them in the United States. So
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you would see US manufacturing go up, more companies wanting
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to build in the United States to save on the tariffs.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It would it would be uh, you know, tasts would
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: help manufacturing. The whole idea is you raised tais manufacturing
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: comes back to the United States back. But of course
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: that's not how it works, particularly particularly when you place
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: tariffs on goods that are you used in the manufacturing process.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Much of what the United States imports are not complete
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: in a finished consumer goods. I mean some of that toys,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: some furniture, but much of what the United States imports
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: or US individual's import are the kind of the war
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: materials that go into production. So, for example, a lot
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: of companies in the United States you steal automobile country companies.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: If you build washers and dry as, if you build
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of things, a lot of things are built
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: from steel, and if you're in a manufacturer in the.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: United States, you buy a lot of steel.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the first things Trump tariffs of the
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: highest tariff rates are on steel and aluminum, which is
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: another basic material that is used by manufacturers.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Now. That means that any steel.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Aluminum the imports from other countries is not much much
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: more expensive. But the reality is that US manufacturers are
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: still in their aluminium have also increased their prices, So
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: prices have gone up by US manufacturers have increased from
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: US manufacturers as well as the imports. So generally US
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: manufacturers today are facing much much, much much higher steel
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: prices than they were a year ago. That makes their
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: product less competitive. That means that they're going to hire
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: a few people. That means they might even do layoffs.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: It means that they can't build for the same price.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Everything's more expensive now and that destroys manufacturing. So the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: quantity of goods is down and the quantity of employment,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the number of people working is down. And also there
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: are graphs in this Wall Street Journal article that show
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: manufacturing job openings, which again will very high in the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: two thousand and one to two thousand and three period
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and since.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Then collapsed.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: To below the twenty eighteen levels, So job openings are gone.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: There were a lot of job job openings. There was
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: almost a million job openings in the twenty three period
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: and now it's well below half a million, so gone
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: down by fifty percent. Indeed, Yuko, I think earlier today
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and or first of the month, announced it was raising
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: steel prices again.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yuco's an American company that produced the steel.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: But they face less and less competition because of tariffs
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: of steel being brought into the country. They can afford
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to keep raising prices. Here's a you know, here's an article.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Here's a paragraph from the article with taras and farm
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: steel doubled, doubled to fifty this year. In steel has
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: increasingly struggled. This is a steel company to get from
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: US suppliers the metal it shapes into wire that reinforces
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: concrete infrastructure. So in steel, the guys who make the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: rebar that goes into concrete in construction so struggle to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: get to US suppliers the metal it shapes into wire
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that reinforces concrete infrastructure, such as the Goldi Horned Bridge.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons the bridge is taking
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: so long.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Right, a major trade crossing that will soon connect Detroit
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to Canada. Sorry, this is a new bridge being built
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: between Detroit to Canada. Instead in Steele has at times
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: turned to trafficking inputs from Algeria, India and elsewhere when
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: there weren't enough American suppliers to go around. Our growth today,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: they write, could be compromised by the dearth of domestic
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: war material available to us. In the trucking industry, a
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: years long post pandemic slide has dinged firms such as
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: metal component Acre and N. The Charlotte, North Carolina based company,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: which runs twenty three plants in six countries, trimmed the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Jewish workforce in recent years to compete with low cost
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: factories aboard, as well as in response to slowing growth
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: in electric vehicle demand. Now, the CEO believes TAOS will
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: ultimately benefit and end by cobing Chinese competition for precision
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: parts that appear in steering systems, audio visual controls, and more.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But meanwhile, import taxes have helped push up costs for
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: steel and aluminum, adding to pressure from sewing market prices
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: for the gold and silver and end users in some products.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: That has squeezed how much cash the firm has to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: invest in new potential lucrative sectors such as data centers
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: and electrical equipment. You can go on and on and
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: on and see this manufacturing construction spending has peaked just
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: before Trump was you know about end of twenty twenty
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: four and has gone down quite a bit since then.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: We talked about this last time. It peaked primaldi because
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: of huge government subsidies of the Chip Act, Inflation Reduction Act.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: With the government subsidized, then you know, construction manufacturing, construction
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: plants under Trump, in spite of the tariffs, all of
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: that has come down. Yeah, I mean, taps have hit
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: hardwood for Vietnam and text offs from India and China.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Prices go up and that hurts local industries. So more
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: evidence that Trump's up. Ad the other day in the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal was just one big, fat live lie,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: absolutely lie, no question. All right, let's see where are
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: we are we all right, We're still still still chugging ahead.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: But you guys, yeah, uh see, if you guys can
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: consider doing a sticker or a question or something like that.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see that is manufacturing.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Here's a an unbelievable quote, you know, from from Stephen Miller.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: So this is this is a response to a breaking
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: news right in Washington. This is from yesterday in Washington,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: DC based Federal judge and Rays Biden appointee has blocked
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security from ending temporary protective status
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: for more than three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians in
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the United States whose legal legal protection, whose lead protections
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: were set to expire tomorrow, a move that would have
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: left them vulnerable to deportation and the loss of work authorization.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: So as we know that Trumpet administation has been trying
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: to get rid of the temporary protective status so that
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: they could deport all these asylum seekers, in particularly these
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty thousand people from eighty These are
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the people accused of eating cats, eating the neighbor's cats.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was in Ohio.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: And this is what Stephen Miller writes in response to this,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: an unelected judge has just ruled that elections, laws, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: borders don't exist.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Now, this is this is pretty amazing statement.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It's a basically indigation of the entire basis of the
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: American constitutional systems. Says that if you win an election,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: you should be able to do whatever you want to do.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: If you want an election, you can pass whatever those
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you want, you can sign whatever executive orders you want.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: You can establish whatever immigration or other restrictions, tariffs, whatever
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you want. Then indeed there is no limitation because you
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: won an election. And I guess of all the judges
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: is just to agree. It's just a nod in agreement
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: with whatever the president who won an election or whatever
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Congress who won an election.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Agrees to the judiciary, you should just agree.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: This is a complete negation of the vision of the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: American system, which gives the judiciary an important role in
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: determining whether the laws are constitutional, whether the application of
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the law is objective, is being done right, whether the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Congress or certainly the executive or not exceeding their authority
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: under the law. That is their job. That's what the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: judiciary is. That's the whole checks and balances system that
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: we supposedly live under. That what makes this country fairly
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: unique in the world. There were not a pure democracy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Were not a pure democracy. We are constitutional republic. We
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: are government limited by a constitution and limited ideally to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the protection of individual rights and everything else should be
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: ruled on constitutional And Stephen.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Miller is just tru that's out the window. The hell
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Now, if you elect somebody, they get to do whatever
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the hell they want. This is the Donald Trump equals
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: emperor at least for four years or thesis. Right, he
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: got elected and therefore he should be able to do
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: whatever he wants and nobody should have any way to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: stop him. Now, No, the judge was appointed to position
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: as a district judge by somebody who was elected in
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: this case Biden.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: That's what the system requires.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: And she can't just be dismissed because somebody else got
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: elected Trump.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: So this is, you know, just a.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Illustration of how much disregard this administration has. And Stephen
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Miller is a spokesman, he is an influential, influential within
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the administration. How little regard disadministration has for separation of powers,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: for checks and balances, and for the role of the
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: court system.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: We indeed do not live in a pure majoritarian democracy.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: We live in, you know, a democracy these days limited
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: at least somewhat by our constitution and by the courts.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's not a bug. That's a feature.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: It's not a bug. It's not a vice, it's a virtue.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: This is this is good. There's a good stuff. And
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Stephen Milly doesn't care, right, he just he just wants.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: He just wants to be able to do whatever the
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: hell he wants to do. The hell with the constitution,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Tell with an American system government, Tell with any constraints
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: on him, any constraints on him.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's tough. Yeah, uh, all right, I'm.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Just looking some updates from the Iran thing. Out of
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: this meeting with Wittkoff. Is there suppose he has requested
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: operational freedom from the United States to conduct unilateral military
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: action against Iran?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: As President Donald J.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Trump leans towards diplomacy instead of strikes against the Islamic Republic,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: That is according to Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: But the reality is there is zero chance, zero that Trump.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Would give israela green light to strike Iran when he's
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: actually considering diplomacy and wants to cut a deal.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: That's just fantasy.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Israeli came up with that idea
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: of even asking. The answer is obviously going to.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Be no way, We don't agree, can't get it all right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Just looking quickly at the chat here, let me just
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: say on the chat, aj, I really appreciate you participating
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and appreciate the financial support, but less chats, less domination
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: of the chat. I don't think I don't.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Think it's it's I don't think it's good. I think
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: it intimidates other people anticipating.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So I love that you're excited and that you're in
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: there and you're active, but just just moderate a little bit.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I think, just just moderation, a little bit of moderation.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: It so's the ship number of posts I think would
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: be good. Okay, let's see, Uh, what do we want
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about next? We did the courts, Oh, fraud,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: let me find this story, Let me find the story.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we talked about the fact that.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: All the focuses on Minnesota and Minneapolis regarding the Somali fraud,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the welfare fraud of the Somalis, how big that is
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: and how significant that is. And I told you there's
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: fought all over the country. I mean everywhere there's welfare,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: there's fought. It's just too easy of a target, you know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: And there are people out there. They're going to exploit
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the government handing out money. It's just a matter of
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: you know, figuring how to do it. But many people
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: are smart enough to do it because government programs are
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: not particularly run effectively efficiently or.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Monitored that carefully, and there's fought everywhere. And now.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: It's come out that there's probably massive fraud in La
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: County in California. Now this one is one where I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: think Republicans will pay attention to and might send ice
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and who knows, because it's a democratic.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: State and they want to make the state look bad,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and they want to.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Make the governor of the state who's going to run
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: for president, look as bad as they can. So it's
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: possible that they will take this seriously. But here's just
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: a statistic for you. La County had around nineteen hundred
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: hospice agencies, more than thirty entire US states.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Well, it depends which states. I mean, La County is
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: pretty big county.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: The entire state of Florida has over twenty two million
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: people and only a few hundred.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: LA County had eighteen hundred.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: And you know, there are other reasons to believe, you
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: know that there is there is more going on, more
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: going on in La County in terms of these hospices
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and in terms of welfare fraud that is divoting money
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: to all kinds of you know, shell companies that supposedly
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: are helping in the healthcare space.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: But there is massive.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Fraud in the in the healthcare in the healthcare space,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: right and we've seen that. We saw a flawed a
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: healthcare executive involved in a one point three billion dollar
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid fraud scheme, who, by the way, was
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: sentence was commuted by Donald Trump. We saw a flawed
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: eye doctor defraud Medicare for forty two million dollars by
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: providing unncessary treatments.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So again, it's much harder to defraud insurance companies. It's
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: much easier to defraud government. It's not helpful that Donald
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Trump kind of commutes frauds the sentences on a regular basis.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: It kind of reduces the disincentive to commit fraud when
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you know that you can always pay off, pay off
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: the president, and get off get off easy. But again,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: there is fard everywhere. You know, there's foud in every state.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, the US focusing in Minnesota has to
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: do with who committed the fraud, immigrants, black immigrants on
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: top of that, that's the focus. It has nothing to
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: do with the level of fraud or the or the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: size of the fraud.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: It more has it really has to do with who
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: is committing the fraud and where it's being committed, and
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: what is the political affiliation or what is the political
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: cost of going after that fraud. All right, So I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: just want to point that out that it's a developing story,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I guess, around the LA fraud, and we'll see how
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: much of it actually pans out.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Again, these are stories.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: It's as far as I know, no criminal cases being
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: brought yet, but that people are speculating about this, and
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I guess the White House is making some noise about
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: it and bringing it up.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: But again, the only reason they bringing it up is
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: because it's California.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: If this was in Mississippi, where I told you there
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: was a big welfare fought case, not a word if
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: it's in Texas. So if it's in Florida, or if
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: it's in elsewhere, you're probably gonna get commuted if you
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: did commit fraud. So there's clearly a difference between red
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: states and blue states with regard to how this administration
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: treats accusations of fraud.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Finally, I keep returning to this story in different variations,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: but because I find it so offensive and so evil
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: and really so despicable that we just have to keep
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: pounding away at it and keep reminding you of what is.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Going on in the world out there with regard to abortion.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: We've talked about the fact that UH states like Texas
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: have UH criminalized abortion and made it impossible for women
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: in the state to get abortions almost under any circumstances.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: But they've criminalized taking the abortion pill.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: That is, they they they've haven't criminalized taking the abortion pill,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: but they they've criminalized providing the abortion pill to pregnant women.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And so you can get the abortion pill inside Texas. Now,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: there a variety of lawsuits going through the courts addressing this.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Will see how they all pan out.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, women in Texas who wanna get
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: an abortion, including if they know their fetus is damaged,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: you know, they UH and they're in the first couple
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: of months of the pregnancy can can send uh T
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: can ask to get the abortion pill from doctors UH
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: outside of the state. And we've talked about the fact
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: that some of these doctors have been sued by the
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: state by a number of different states have.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Sued these doctors. But the states where these doctors.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Are have have laws that protect them. So against those
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: lawsuits criminal lawses. Right, but now there's a civil suit,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: right so Gulveston County man from Texas has follow a
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: lawsuit against the California doctor he accuses of providing abortion
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: induced pills to his partner.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Now this leverage is for the first time in you.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Texas law that allows private citizens private citizens to sue
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: abortion provides US fop to one hundred thousand dollars. In July,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Jerry Rodriguez filed I'm reading from the Texas Tribune. Jerry
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Ridiguez Roduius filed the original lawsuit that accused dtr Remi Koto,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I can't really pronounce it, providing his go friend with
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: abortion pills at the direction of her ex husband, ex
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: husband's boyfriends. It's like one of those episodes of I
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Doctor Phil or something.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: The lawsuits allege allegens the woman's ex husband ordered the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: bortion pills. Subsequently, Rodriguez's go friend took the pills and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: terminated the pregnancy twice on September nineteenth, twenty twenty four,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: and another pregnancy in Jenny twenty twenty five. Why should
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: not using birth control? I don't know but anyway, Wudu
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: this claims in the lawsuit that he was the father
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: in those pregnancies. On Sunday, Rodriguez, through his lawyer, who
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: in his lawyers is somebody who helped design Texas as
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: abortion ban, updated the lawsuit, largely stating the same allegations
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: against the doctor. However, this time they included House Bill
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: seven as an additional tool to compel the doctor to
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: pay seventy five thousand dollars in minimum damages plus other fees.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: HB seven, which went into effect December fourth, allows private
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: citizens to suit anyone who manufactures, distributes, males provides.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Abortion medication to or from taxes.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Now it's a a bounty hunter's bill, right bounty hunters law.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Successful plaintiffs would be awarded at least one hundred thousand damages.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: If the plaintiff is not directly related to the fetus,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: they would only be entitled to ten percent and would
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: have to give.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: The remaining money to a charity of their choosing.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Women taking abortion pills would not be eligible to be
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: sued under the bill, nor would women who take them
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: after miscarriages. So they're now suing people for damages in
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: other states for what I mean, nobody can claim that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: a month or two months or any month the botion
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: pill is effective, is that as a baby.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: It's a clump of cells.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: And yet Texas is keeps finding new ways to make
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: it as impossible and difficult as possible for women to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: exercise their rights over their own bodies, to exercise their
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: right to have an abortion.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: They're becoming more and more creative with these kind of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: bounty laws to try to to try to get at
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: the doctors outside of the state, and they'll keep harassing
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: those doctors. Now the doctors again are protected by different
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: bills that their states have passed the shield them from it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to be legal challenges to that,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: and we'll see how that gets all resolved. But I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: think what I want to emphasize here is the extent
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: to which states, people in states like Texas, you know,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: are so.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Focused and so malevolently pursuing.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: This issue of abortion, you know, and it's almost all
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: man but just the viciousness, and you know, they're applying
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: all kinds of creative ways to use the law, you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: to do what to prevent women from having a life,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: to prevent women from having control, to prevent women from living,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: for being in control.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Of their own lives.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: This is why Hobbes was such an awful decision, because
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: it unleashed these monsters and and gave them room to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: act and to function and uh and and uh and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: do all this. I mean, if you're if you're a
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: young woman, I can't imagine why you would want to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: live in Texas. Young women should all leave Texas. Uh,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: but it is it's it really is horrific. It really
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: is horrific, and it's Texas. It's much of the South.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Florida passed a similar law. I mean, you can be
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: anti bosh in the third trimasty. You can be anti
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: bosh and a second chriman star. I don't know how
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: you can be anti abortion pill. But they have to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: be consistent, right that God has told them that human
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: life begins at conception and that is it. But the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: extent of which this violates writes.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: And the viciousness of it, just a shier viciousness of.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: It is pretty despicable. And yeah, it really does make
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: you question wanting to go to Texas, wanting to live
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: in Texas, wanting to be around these people. These are
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the people who vote for this. These are the people
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: who vote for this, really really despicable, despicable. All right,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: let us that is the news guys for Tuesday, February third.
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• 1:04:59
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  Speaker 2: the Iranian regime, you know, justifying or at least whitewashing
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  Speaker 2: the slaughter. Where's the outrage you saw people get outraged
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  Speaker 2: about Gaza?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it didn't stop. We'll all these.
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  Speaker 2: Leftist outs in the streets demonstrating against the Iranian regime.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday they were the Grammys, I think, and the Grammys
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  Speaker 2: they complained about Ice.
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  Speaker 1: Good, I'm awful complaining about Ice.
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  Speaker 2: But not a single person in the Entiremies, not a
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  Speaker 2: about human rights all over the world, not a single
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  Speaker 2: one of them mentioned the slaughter that happened in Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Not one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is that Iran doesn't fit into
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  Speaker 2: their paradigm. It's not white men oppressing brown people. It's
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  Speaker 2: not the West colonizing and oppressing the East. It's not
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  Speaker 2: successful Jews defending themselves or aggressing against you know, native
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  Speaker 2: again brown people. It just doesn't fit their agenda. This
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  Speaker 2: is an Islamist regime that from its earliest days was.
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  Speaker 1: Supported by the international left.
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  Speaker 2: The you know, particularly French leftist intellectuals, supported.
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  Speaker 1: Homony in ninety seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he was very smart in that he included
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  Speaker 2: a lot of socialist propaganda in his sermons and thus
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  Speaker 2: tried to convince the left that he was one of them,
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  Speaker 2: and then killed them all after the fact that they
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  Speaker 2: had gained the power. But there to be suckers, they
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  Speaker 2: have to be idiots to believe him. They willingly believed him.
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  Speaker 2: They thought that the Islamic Republic of Iran stood against
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  Speaker 2: the colonizers, against Europe, against Western civilization, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: they supported it.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they loved it.
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  Speaker 2: And even you know, almost fifty years later, No, sorry, almost,
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  Speaker 2: you know, thirty something years later.
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  Speaker 1: No, wait, it is fifty years later. What am I
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  Speaker 1: talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Almost fifty years later, they still rationalize the evil away
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  Speaker 2: because it's not evil if it's done by non white people.
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  Speaker 2: It's not evil if it's not if it's done by
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  Speaker 2: anybody other than Western CIVI that's why October seventh didn't
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  Speaker 2: bother them, because it was done by poor Palestinians. And
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the regime is killing its own people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the left is completely willing to buy into the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the own people, the people who would there stand
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  Speaker 2: up to this wonderful, amazing Islamic regime, are just being manipulated.
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  Speaker 1: By the West, just being manipulated by Israel.
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  Speaker 2: And that's and so their support is not with them
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  Speaker 2: because they're just agents of Israel in the West.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the Iranian conflict, the conflicting.
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  Speaker 2: Irun right now between its government its own population.
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  Speaker 1: If that is not a pure concretization of the fact,
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  Speaker 1: and in.
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  Speaker 2: The response to it, a concretization of the fact that
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  Speaker 2: what animates the left in the West is hatred of
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  Speaker 2: the West. It's hatred of Western values, it's hatred of
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  Speaker 2: Western ideas, hatred of Western civilization. And if you're not
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  Speaker 2: part of the West, you can get away with anything,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't care.
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  Speaker 1: The last thing they care about is actual human life.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you see the stories of the people
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  Speaker 2: who have been shot in Iran, it rips your heart out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I find myself tearing up.
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  Speaker 2: Reading reading Twitter acts when they describe the stories of
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  Speaker 2: these seventeen year olds, twenty year olds, twenty seven year olds,
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  Speaker 2: who have a whole life in front of them, and
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  Speaker 2: yet you know, went out to fight for their went
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  Speaker 2: out to demonstrate, went out to express their desire to
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  Speaker 2: be free. And these are the people that get no
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  Speaker 2: respect by so much of the West, particularly the left.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't see the right carrying that much either.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who cares. There's a fraction of us who
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  Speaker 2: actually care. It's so discouraging. It's I mean, the West
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  Speaker 2: is bankrupt. It's bankrupt. It's corrupt, not because Western civilization
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  Speaker 2: is bankrupt and corrupt. It's bankrupt and corrupt because it
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  Speaker 2: is turning its back, stabbing and turning the blade.
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  Speaker 1: To Western civilization.
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  Speaker 2: The West is becoming uncivilized, unbearable, barbaric, and part of
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  Speaker 2: that is the support for barbaric causes.
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  Speaker 1: And this is why there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: The European Left or people sympathetic to the European Left
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  Speaker 2: can deal with the problem of Islamism in Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Just they can't because they their instinct.
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  Speaker 2: The inclination, the ideology demands that they appeasement. And if
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  Speaker 2: that appeasement leads the end of the West, wonderful, they
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  Speaker 2: will say. The West is nothing but an evil, an
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  Speaker 2: evil on this earth. They hate, they hate themselves, they
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  Speaker 2: hate the culture from which they come, they hate the
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  Speaker 2: civilization that made them. They hate everything about where they live,
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  Speaker 2: and that is what animates. That is what animates and sadly,
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  Speaker 2: that is overwhelming majority of the left, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a significant part of the right. And I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: who's left the defense civilization. Thank you, Amen. Amenosa says
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  Speaker 2: I am also horrified. Another one hundred dollars, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also horrified with cough is anywhere near youan related discussions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's been. He was there for the for
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  Speaker 1: the Gaza stuff, and he's there for the Gaza face too.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to get Israel to compromise and accept Tramas even
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  Speaker 2: if they don't disarm. He's there for Yan, He's there
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  Speaker 2: for you know. And who does he side with? In
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  Speaker 2: Ghazi sides? He's pushing Israel to accommodate Ramas. In Russia
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  Speaker 2: he's pushing He's pushing Ukraine to accommodate Putin. And here
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  Speaker 2: he's pushing their Trump administration to accommodate the Ranians, and
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  Speaker 2: pushing Israel to get off their high horse and stop
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  Speaker 2: demanding so many things. He is on the side of
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  Speaker 2: evil consistently, uniformly, and it's just horrible.
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  Speaker 1: It's just horrible, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And again, how many people are raising their alarm about
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  Speaker 2: the evil that is Witcuff. There's just not enough voices
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  Speaker 2: out there, and there's not enough nobody takes seriously American interest.
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  Speaker 2: There's no America first. Here, there's Witcuff first. And Witcuff
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  Speaker 2: benefits in one way or another from peasing Putin, from
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  Speaker 2: appeasing the Iranians, from appeasing UAE, from appeasing Kata and Tokey,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, oh, we forgot that that. Another Trump emissary,
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  Speaker 2: Barack landed up appeasing the Syrian government. And the Turks
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  Speaker 2: and basically stabbing in the back the Kods who are
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  Speaker 2: being the one ally that the.
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  Speaker 1: United States has had in Syria. An I rock. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's stunning.
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  Speaker 2: You go over and over and over again, and the
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  Speaker 2: people who are the worst people are getting the most
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  Speaker 2: power and the most visibility within the Trump administration. Witcoff
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  Speaker 2: on the diplomacy side, Miller on the immigration ice side,
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  Speaker 2: Bondye on the so called justice side. Just the worst
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  Speaker 2: people you can imagine in these positions. Thank you, Arman,
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  Speaker 2: and thank you for the third hundred dollars. Really appreciate you, says,
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  Speaker 2: I agree, it's being too painful to watch. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's I mean, it's one thing if these kids
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  Speaker 2: are going out the streets and they're fighting for freedom
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  Speaker 2: and somebody has their back, and remember Trump said he
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  Speaker 2: had their back.
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  Speaker 1: Trump said go out into the streets. I have your back.
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  Speaker 1: He said that, he posted that he encouraged them.
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  Speaker 2: And then to turn your back on them, to make
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  Speaker 2: it so that their deaths mean nothing, that the fight
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  Speaker 2: is destined to be lost because Trump is a coward,
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  Speaker 2: Because Trump is an unprincipled, thuggish bully who is afraid
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, of the Iranians is just beyond it's
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  Speaker 2: hard even to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about because it's so infuriating, it's so maddening.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that some people who supported Trump,
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  Speaker 2: if he really does kind of deal with Iranians, I
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  Speaker 2: think this will be a this will be a turning
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  Speaker 2: point for them.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think some people, not all,
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  Speaker 2: because it's just so just so disgusting. Uh, Jake, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jake, appreciate the support.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, We've got just a few questions and then
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's see, Okay, jim an offering for the
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  Speaker 2: Wi Fi gods.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to have worked so far. It seems to
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  Speaker 2: have worked so far. A j I didn't mean you
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  Speaker 2: should stop posting at all. I just you have to
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  Speaker 2: find a nice middle ground where it's not post after
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  Speaker 2: post after post of post, just once in a while
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  Speaker 2: post participate. It's good to participate, it's good to be engaged,
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  Speaker 2: and it's good to it's good for the algorithm.
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  Speaker 1: By the way.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not objecting because of that, But I just
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  Speaker 2: think if you engage in conversation with people, it'll increase,
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  Speaker 2: It'll be better for everybody. But he just says, Israeli
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  Speaker 2: music artists, please doctor book any leads.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean again, but I don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: these are great artists. These are just my favorites. These
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  Speaker 2: are people I really really loved, but I grew up
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  Speaker 2: with them.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, popular music, you're attracted to what you grew
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  Speaker 2: up because popular music, it does not evoke deep emotions.
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  Speaker 2: It does not evoke a deep emotional state. It evokes
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  Speaker 2: memories and it devots certainly shallow emotions, but it definitely
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  Speaker 2: evokes memories. And when you're growing up, you know and
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  Speaker 2: you associate, You associate the music you grew up with
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  Speaker 2: with memories of that time, and that's why that music
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  Speaker 2: sticks with you. And after that, you know, like I,
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  Speaker 2: if I listen to classical music, I don't think, oh
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  Speaker 2: this is where this is when I heard it, this
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  Speaker 2: is the emotions are deeper, the more meaningful, So this
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  Speaker 2: is is really music that I listened to in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies when.
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  Speaker 1: I was a teenager, in the nineteen eighties when I
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  Speaker 1: was a young adult. That's the music that stuck with me.
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  Speaker 1: So people I like.
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  Speaker 2: Aike Einstein, Ike Einstein, Shalom Shalom ha.
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  Speaker 1: What's his name? The other problem is, of course I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember names.
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  Speaker 2: I Einstein, Shalomo, Matti, Cuspi, Manti Cuspi, Shlomo Alti. That's
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  Speaker 2: four for you, right I Einstein, shal Matti, Cuspi, and
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  Speaker 2: slow Moltzy and shlow Altzy. Those four, I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: capture most of the great music from that.
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  Speaker 1: Era that I love and enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: CP Milk and Jonathan thanks for being a consistent voice
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  Speaker 2: of reason, liberty and Rand's ideas. Thank you, Jonathan, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Wyatt Peter Schwartz says doing the right thing
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  Speaker 2: for the wrong reason is wrong. Does that apply to
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  Speaker 2: leftists who want open immigration because the US is stolen land? Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: it applies to them. I mean that's particularly wrong because
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  Speaker 2: by advocating for something right and associating that right thing
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  Speaker 2: with something as evil and as stupid as stolen land.
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  Speaker 3: They.
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  Speaker 2: Make the right thing the open immigration, they void it,
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  Speaker 2: they make it. Yeah, I mean I would object. I
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  Speaker 2: object to it because I objected the idea of stolen land.
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  Speaker 2: If that's the cause a relationship, then I object to
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  Speaker 2: the conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, they do damage.
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  Speaker 2: They do more damage than good and look so absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: particularly when they articulate. It's one thing if they just
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: go into demonstration and object to ice, but once they're
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  Speaker 2: articulating the.
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  Speaker 1: Reasoning for doing it, it's a problem. But it's broader
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  Speaker 1: than that.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, Well, if the whole case for immigrants
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  Speaker 2: is associated with really bad leftist ideas, then it weakens
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  Speaker 2: the case four immigrants, and it makes it very difficult
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  Speaker 2: for us to make a rational case for immigrants because.
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  Speaker 1: People out there, maybe people are like.
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  Speaker 2: Why immediately label me and other's leftists because they associate
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  Speaker 2: the idea is of pro.
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  Speaker 1: Immigration with the left. Now that does damage.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree with Peter completely and it so
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  Speaker 2: many applies to that case.
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  Speaker 1: All right, last two questions, guys, Andrew thought both.
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  Speaker 2: Upholders of mysticism was played though both upholders of mysticism.
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  Speaker 2: Was Plato honestly trying to explain what Kant was dishonestly
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  Speaker 2: trying to deceive. Look, I think that's what I'm Rander saying,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's certainly true of Plato. I think
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to understand. I think it's coming from a
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  Speaker 2: desire to understand the world in a long, long time
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  Speaker 2: ago when knowledge was limited, whereas Kant, I think knew better,
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  Speaker 2: and you remember the count is coming after the Enlightenment,
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  Speaker 2: where better ideas were presented, and he is, I think,
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  Speaker 2: purposefully trying to destroy those better ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Kant has at least the opportunity to know better.
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  Speaker 2: Plato probably doesn't, although he does have a brilliant student, Aristotle,
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  Speaker 2: who challenges him. But yes, I think generally we are
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  Speaker 2: a much more benevolent and objectivism views Plato with much
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  Speaker 2: more benevolence because of the way he is historically, and
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  Speaker 2: because there's a sense of which he asked the right
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  Speaker 2: questions and views cont very malevolently, because where where he
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  Speaker 2: comes from when he advocates for those ideas, and how
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  Speaker 2: ultimately dishonest or destructive those the ideas he comes up with.
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  Speaker 2: Um and and again, the Cave in the Light tells
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  Speaker 2: of how Socrates embraced death and thought every person should
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  Speaker 2: his death frees the soul from the limits and distortions
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  Speaker 2: of the body.
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  Speaker 1: Aristotle's discoveries gave rise to focus on earth and life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think Aristotle is this world, this earth, and
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  Speaker 2: Socrates and Plato or otherworldly you know, the soul continues.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: There's a world of forms, the world of perfection that
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  Speaker 2: is that is not of this world.
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  Speaker 1: It's in another world. All of that is other worldly.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not an accident that Christianity, particularly in its
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: early years, in its first thousand years eleven hundred years,
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  Speaker 2: was attracted to Plato.
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  Speaker 1: And it's attracted to.
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  Speaker 2: Plato because Plato kind of gives a philosophical facade to
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  Speaker 2: the mysticism that is inherent.
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  Speaker 1: In any religion, that is inherent in Christianity.
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  Speaker 2: So they are very neo Platonists and they embrace Plato.
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  Speaker 2: They only later discover, you know, or willing to embrace
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  Speaker 2: parts of Aristotle to the extent that they can use
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  Speaker 2: him to enhance the dogma. They're not really seeking truth,
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  Speaker 2: but they're using it to enhance the dogmas.
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  Speaker 1: But Plato is Christianity. Christianity is Plato, and.
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  Speaker 2: Because plato ideas of very much of the other world,
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  Speaker 2: otherworldly and that's what Christianity is.
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  Speaker 1: It's otherworldly, all right. I think this is the last
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  Speaker 1: question newly Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I read at the Shrug, the fountain Head and few
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: of Rand's essays. Should I start OPAH before Iran's Objectives
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  Speaker 2: to Pistemology book?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Both are good. I think
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  Speaker 1: OPAH is probably better.
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  Speaker 2: And then go to it t O E, which is
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  Speaker 2: their pistemology book, because I think Lennard covers much of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: their pistemology, but in a most structured.
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  Speaker 3: Way than I O.
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  Speaker 1: E does.
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  Speaker 2: And then you can get io E and go into
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: the nuances that Iran covers in that book. So I think,
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think read Opah, read up Upen next,
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  Speaker 2: and keep and I would say keep reading Ironman's essays.
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  Speaker 2: I think the most valuable too we have out there
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: is Iran's essays. But OPAH is gives you up a
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: systematic approach to objectivism, gives you the entire system of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: thought in a way that you can't get anywhere else.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: And then you know, as I say, it's fill in
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  Speaker 2: all the gaps and explain how to apply it and
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: explain how to how it works kind of in its
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: application to real world. And of course the Objective Pistemology
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  Speaker 2: Book is a technical book about epistemology. If that's what
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: interests you, incredibly valuable, incredibly insightful. But I think after
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: open all right, guys, thank you. You guys came through
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: in the end, particularly Armen. I'm in the most of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: the lifting today, so I really thank you Armen, really
• 1:29:37
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• 1:30:00
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• 1:30:10
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