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Patriots Unfiltered 7/26: Direct from Training Camp on Day 3, Jabrill Peppers Contract Extension · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome today three of Patriots Training Camp and
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  Speaker 1: live from Training Camp, it's Patriots Unfiltered. I'm Fred Kirsh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Paul Perlo, Tamara Brown, Mike do So,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Lazarre, and we'll be here for the duration of
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  Speaker 1: practice today, bringing you everything that we see, taking your emails,
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  Speaker 1: taking your calls. It's a great day here, a beautiful day.
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  Speaker 1: It's been overcast the first two days, but today the
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  Speaker 1: sun is out. Uh, there's a lot of people coming.
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  Speaker 1: I see. I'm looking down here. The stands are starting
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  Speaker 1: to fill and there's a ton of people still waiting
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  Speaker 1: to get in here. So this is a big day.
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  Speaker 1: It's Friday here at Jillese Stadium, of course, and again
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  Speaker 1: day three. So guys, what are we looking for. We
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  Speaker 1: had a little breaking news just before we went on air.
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  Speaker 1: We got to clear the trill, clear their depths.
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  Speaker 4: Just so I thank you oh yeah, no, Now, Gabril
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  Speaker 4: Pepper's field yates coming through with a report this morning
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  Speaker 4: Jabrill Peppers signed a three year extension twenty four million
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  Speaker 4: up to thirty million.
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  Speaker 1: I think Ji Rob Mayo did. He directly confirmed it,
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  Speaker 1: directly directly confirmed it. Good for him. Uh yeah, he's uh.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think we talked about it the first
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  Speaker 4: or second day of the show. I think he's a
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  Speaker 4: really good player. I think he brings great energy to
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  Speaker 4: the defense. I think, you know, he just he exudes
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  Speaker 4: that physicality that I think you want your defense to embody,
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  Speaker 4: and he's just fearless. I think players, uh you know,
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  Speaker 4: want to play harder playing with Jabrill Peppers. So I
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  Speaker 4: love it. I think he's a great player. You got
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  Speaker 4: Duggar and Peppers locked up for the next few years,
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  Speaker 4: so I hesitate to call it the back end of
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  Speaker 4: your defense, because really, those guys can can play just
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  Speaker 4: about anywhere on the field.
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  Speaker 1: So excited, I'm I'm pumped.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's a great guy, and I'm excited to
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  Speaker 4: continue getting an up close look at it the way
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  Speaker 4: he plays the game because it's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, going back to the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the dynasty when you had Lawyer Maloy and then
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  Speaker 1: he was succeeded by Rodney Harrison. Safety, you know, has
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  Speaker 1: been a strong point when they were winning, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's good to see. I'm with you, Mike. I like
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  Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers. I think he's an impact player back there.
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  Speaker 1: I think he brings it. He can play up close,
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  Speaker 1: he can play back. It gives him a little versatility
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  Speaker 1: back there. I love this. Yeah, what are you thinking now, though,
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  Speaker 1: if you're Judon or Godshaw.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question, Fred, I mean, and that's obviously
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  Speaker 4: a very a very pertinent question.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, to me, it.
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  Speaker 4: Looks like the priority is guys still in their twenties,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and maybe the guys in their early thirties.
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  Speaker 4: It's I mean, I understand what the philosophy is for
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  Speaker 4: Elliott Wolf that you know, you're you're not trying to
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  Speaker 4: overextend to give guys a contract. I think Evan has
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  Speaker 4: said before, like, is Matthew Judon going to be a
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  Speaker 4: part of the next great Patriots team.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard, It's hard to make that argument.
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  Speaker 4: But again, this just does it puts more pressure on
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  Speaker 4: the godshot Judon situations.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Gid Mayo did say that Godshaw was injury related.
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  Speaker 5: He said he had tweaked something to tightness.
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  Speaker 1: That's the definition of a holding on day one. But
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  Speaker 1: it's very it's worth very obviously.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, just looking at it statistically with Jabrill
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  Speaker 5: Peppers one of the most versatile defenders in all of football.
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  Speaker 5: You know that we have now a PFF and all
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  Speaker 5: these places they track actually where guys line up a
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  Speaker 5: location wise, and he's one of the most versatile guys
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  Speaker 5: in the league. Plays at all three levels of the defense.
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  Speaker 5: Plays deep plays, box safety, plays in the slot. You know,
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  Speaker 5: he's just an incredibly versatile player. And I think one
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  Speaker 5: of the things that we've gotten to know him a
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  Speaker 5: little bit in the locker room over the last year
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  Speaker 5: or so, and just a guy that I could definitely
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  Speaker 5: see wearing a sea on his jersey later this year.
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  Speaker 5: Just a complete leader, captain, tone setter, intense guy. But honest,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of the struggles that they had
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  Speaker 5: last year, the first guy to tell you this is
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  Speaker 5: on us, Like this is on the players, Like Bill's
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  Speaker 5: not out there on the field play. You know, this
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  Speaker 5: is our our team and this is our fault that
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  Speaker 5: we're not good. And he's one of those guys that
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  Speaker 5: I feel like when we start to talk about culture
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  Speaker 5: and building a positive culture, he's right at the top
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  Speaker 5: of the list of players, you know, Dugert Moore, a
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  Speaker 5: quiet guy.
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  Speaker 1: Peers definitely add spice to the defense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, echo echoing what we said yesterday, he's got that
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  Speaker 6: dog in him or as dou said, when you turn
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  Speaker 6: on the X ray, you see the dog in the
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  Speaker 6: inside of him. And I really think that's Jabrill Peppers.
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  Speaker 6: And I also like what Evan said about his honesty.
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  Speaker 6: I think you want a guy who not only is
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  Speaker 6: really loud on the field, but off of the field
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  Speaker 6: as well, and he's not afraid to, you know, admit
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  Speaker 6: when they're wrong, admit when they have fault, when they
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  Speaker 6: need to get better. So he's a guy who's always
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  Speaker 6: gonna take his entire tank and put it.
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  Speaker 7: All out in the field.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, say what you want about bringing in
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  Speaker 1: free agents and all that. I like what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're telling these guys, you're in our plans, you're
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  Speaker 1: important to us, and we want you to be part of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this movement, this forward movement. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's exciting.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Fred and Do says point of desult multiple times.
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  Speaker 6: He was looking at, you know, the roster for the
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  Speaker 6: next two years. He's like, there's not many guys that
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  Speaker 6: are signed for the next two years, so you need
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  Speaker 6: to have guys lined up so that you're not just
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  Speaker 6: building from complete scratch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now it's uh, I guess the salt and peppers.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we can get that going.
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  Speaker 1: Jersey or something. That's good. That's good. That's a fret
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  Speaker 1: joke right there. But congratulations, Mike. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you get a little I'm just happy for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you get a little taste of that.
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  Speaker 4: But now he'll give me, He'll give me a little
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  Speaker 4: kickack because I've been singing this for so long. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, look, we've been here and there's a look,
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  Speaker 4: let's admit it, there's kind of been a.
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  Speaker 1: Lack of talent a lot of these years, especially twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: When you know that was almost like a I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could say it was hit the reset button.
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  Speaker 1: But he's just a guy that's fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're gonna do this job and you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: come out here every day, you want to see guys
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  Speaker 4: who you know, play with their hair on fire and
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  Speaker 4: you know, have some personality and or fun to talk to.
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  Speaker 4: So I think he checks all those boxes. But back
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  Speaker 4: to your point, Fred, I agree. I like what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: I just think the inevitable conflict that was going to
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  Speaker 4: a rise by this plan was exactly what we're seeing
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  Speaker 4: the late thirty you know, the early thirty something guys
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  Speaker 4: on defense and on offense. You know, those guys aren't
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  Speaker 4: the priority right now, and I understand why. It's just
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  Speaker 4: a question of how far are they willing to go.
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  Speaker 4: Are they willing to move on from Matthew Judorn or
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  Speaker 4: Devon Gotcha, or are they willing to take a little
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  Speaker 4: of this money that this has been primarily focused on
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  Speaker 4: the younger guys, the second contract guys, and give them
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  Speaker 4: a little sweetener so that you know you can have
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  Speaker 4: an elite defense, Because I think that with Godcha, I
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  Speaker 4: think they're gonna be a pretty good defense without like
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  Speaker 4: if I think they could get by without Gotcha, But
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  Speaker 4: I think if you truly want to make this an
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  Speaker 4: elite defense and live up to its potential.
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  Speaker 1: That we're seeing to field, you need those two to
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  Speaker 1: be clear with Judon, they have made him an offer
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  Speaker 1: now from what I from the reports, it's not something
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  Speaker 1: that he would entertain. But I don't think the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: are opposed to giving him more money this year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but what we don't know is what Judon really wants.
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  Speaker 1: Does he want a three year contract or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and that might be the impass I think that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But I think if Judon is okay with simply just
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  Speaker 1: getting more money this year, I think it had been
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  Speaker 1: a done deal by now.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's probably the way to do it for them,
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  Speaker 4: because I doubt that they're gonna we talked about yesterday
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  Speaker 4: the void years and you know, kicking money down the
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  Speaker 4: road and all. Well, you know Judon is going to
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  Speaker 4: be on our cap into twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't think they're gonna do that.
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  Speaker 4: If anything, a little sweetener this year, but I would
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  Speaker 4: I would bet that this money all comes off the
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  Speaker 4: this year and there's you know that they're not going
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  Speaker 4: to have anything left over.
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  Speaker 8: But see, I don't I'm gonna preface this by saying
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  Speaker 8: I don't know what the offer was, right, but I
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  Speaker 8: think he'd be happy with more money this year. But
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  Speaker 8: My guess is they offered him what he's not enough
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  Speaker 8: for him to be happy. Yeah, okay, Like I don't
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  Speaker 8: think it's just like extension or bust.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it could be. It could be like I
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  Speaker 1: think he is well then I think that because.
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  Speaker 8: He took the money last year from this year, he's
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  Speaker 8: now like just for this year, woefully underpaid. I think
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  Speaker 8: there was a stat that he's something like twenty nine
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  Speaker 8: you know, you know, annual value for this year for
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  Speaker 8: as rushing for a pass rusher, right, And I think
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  Speaker 8: if you made that, you know a little bit closer now,
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots might look at that and say, well, you're
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  Speaker 8: not that guy anymore. You got hurt last year, you
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  Speaker 8: only played three and a half games. We're not looking
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  Speaker 8: to do that for a thirty two year old or
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  Speaker 8: soon to be thirty two year.
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  Speaker 1: Old pass rusher.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I think that's probably closer to where the Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: they would passed.
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  Speaker 1: But they were willing to do something. You just don't
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  Speaker 1: know what and how much exactly I would. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'd go a little bit just to have him on
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  Speaker 1: the team this year. I'd go maybe a little further
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  Speaker 1: than they have just to get them because I think
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  Speaker 1: they do need that edge guy.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know what they offered. They might have
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  Speaker 8: offered him another ten million a year and he said no,
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  Speaker 8: it's not enough. So you know, I don't know how
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  Speaker 8: much is enough. But I from the surface, I don't
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  Speaker 8: think that he would be saying like, this has to
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  Speaker 8: be an extension.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I think if you made it closer to putting him
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  Speaker 8: in the echelon, you know, like, can we get him
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  Speaker 8: to fifteen million this year or seventeen million and get
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  Speaker 8: him in the neighborhood of the you know, the top
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  Speaker 8: pass rushers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the Patriots want to do that.
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  Speaker 4: I love your point from yesterday, Paul, just to him
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  Speaker 4: being lock him up and he's a prime trade asset
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  Speaker 4: if you need it and.
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  Speaker 1: There yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know not that once
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  Speaker 1: you once you give him the new deal and he
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  Speaker 1: plays at in the first week, that money's guaranteed. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, oh, so glad you brought
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  Speaker 1: that up, Fred. Yeah, the money's guaranteed. So if you
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  Speaker 1: trade him halfway, yeah, you're gonna eat that money.
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  Speaker 8: But well, no matter what, no, you don't eat the money.
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  Speaker 8: The team gets the rest of.
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  Speaker 1: It, right, right, So the other team will pay the
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  Speaker 1: rest of it.
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  Speaker 8: But your point about it, if you make the roster,
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  Speaker 8: it's guaranteed, like this whole thing. Like I keep hearing
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  Speaker 8: people talk about this for God show, like, well he
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  Speaker 8: has no guaranteed money. Well is he gonna be on
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  Speaker 8: the team. If he's on the team, it's guaranteed. He's
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  Speaker 8: a veteran. Yeah, So all I had to do is
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  Speaker 8: make the roster, and your your base salary becomes guaranteed
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  Speaker 8: for the year even if they cut him.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, So you know after you know, like you know.
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  Speaker 8: During the season and then and they're not gonna cut him,
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  Speaker 8: you know.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, some one way or another, he's gonna get
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  Speaker 1: his money.
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  Speaker 8: Right, And so I just don't understand, like they don't
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  Speaker 8: want to give him more money, right.
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  Speaker 5: I just look at Judon and you know, Paul, you're
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  Speaker 5: mentioning figures fifteen seventeen million. I just I feel like
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  Speaker 5: that's a little bit pricey for for his aid.
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  Speaker 1: He don't want to do it, I understand.
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  Speaker 5: Just looking at some of the comps. Zadarius Smith is
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  Speaker 5: a good player, three time pro bowler. He got a
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  Speaker 5: two year twenty three million dollar deal in Cleveland as
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  Speaker 5: a free agent. He's a thirty one going into age
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  Speaker 5: thirty two season, you know, basically the same idea as
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  Speaker 5: Matthew Judon. Judon maybe a little bit more in terms
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  Speaker 5: of sack production, a little bit better, but overall, three
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  Speaker 5: down players, edge guys getting into their thirties, and he's
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  Speaker 5: making was that eleven and a half million a year?
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  Speaker 5: Eleven eleven and a half. So if I'm the Patriots, like,
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  Speaker 5: that's where I'm at with Matthew Judon. You know, if
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  Speaker 5: he's expecting to get like Danielle Hunter money, who's four
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  Speaker 5: years younger than he is, then he's crazy, like he's
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  Speaker 5: not going to get that kind of contract.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think a little bit of extending yourself
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  Speaker 1: on the part of the Patriots might be good because
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  Speaker 1: I think Judon makes the rest of the defense better.
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  Speaker 1: You talk about complimentary defense. It makes the coverage better.
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  Speaker 1: It helps Christian Barmore, it helps Ouche, it helps Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Jennings be better. Because, let's face the Judea on drugs attention,
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  Speaker 1: you have to game plan for Judah.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you, Fred, because when we were talking
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  Speaker 6: to Jonathan Jones before camp, started. He talked about both
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  Speaker 6: Devon Godshaw and Judon and he said, you know, it
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  Speaker 6: all starts up front. If those guys are really productive upfront,
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  Speaker 6: then we're able to get those takeaways in the backfield.
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  Speaker 7: So when you don't have.
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  Speaker 6: Guys like that that are rushing the quarterback and creating commotion,
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  Speaker 6: it's hard for them to get those.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of It's the same conversations that
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  Speaker 5: we have with receivers, right Like, if you have that
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  Speaker 5: number one receiver who's drawing the attention of the number
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  Speaker 5: one corner or a double team or something like that,
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  Speaker 5: then the trickle down effect it has on everybody else
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  Speaker 5: is significant. All of a sudden, your number two receivers
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  Speaker 5: a little bit better and your number three receivers a
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  Speaker 5: little bit better. It's the same thing with pass rushers,
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  Speaker 5: of course, and Matthew Judon is one of those guys
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  Speaker 5: that is a number one pass rusher on a team.
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  Speaker 5: And that contract to Paul's you know figures that he
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  Speaker 5: threw out You're starting and at least probably twelve and
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  Speaker 5: a half million in north of that.
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  Speaker 1: So like if it means an extra five million that
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  Speaker 1: you really don't want to pay, but you have to
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  Speaker 1: pay it just to keep him in the fold this
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  Speaker 1: year and give you the flexibility at the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 1: I'd do it.
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  Speaker 9: And that's why I do.
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  Speaker 8: Like if I if the numbers are about an extension
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  Speaker 8: and it's like you're asking for an AAV the next
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  Speaker 8: three years to be up around seventeen million, I would
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  Speaker 8: agree with Evan. Yeah, I would say that, you know,
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  Speaker 8: like thirty three, thirty four, you're probably not going to
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  Speaker 8: be worth it. But to me, there's value in giving
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  Speaker 8: him a little bit more. Right now, you have the
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  Speaker 8: money and you have the space to do it for
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  Speaker 8: you know, just for this year, and then you know,
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  Speaker 8: you revisit it later and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: See knowing the Patriots, it could be that the offer
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of incentive so based on games played,
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  Speaker 1: and that could be where the hold up is. That's
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  Speaker 1: what Bill would have done.
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  Speaker 5: He would have offered him an incentive package because he
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  Speaker 5: only played three and a half games last year. From
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  Speaker 5: Judon's perspective, it would be pretty easy to meet the
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  Speaker 5: incentives because they're not going to be incredibly high.
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  Speaker 1: And he's been very healthy through it.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So if you said his is one of those
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  Speaker 5: incentives can be you played in five games, right, that's
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  Speaker 5: a very low bar, like he's going to reach that bar.
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  Speaker 8: And you know what I don't like about that though,
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  Speaker 8: and I hear a lot of people talking about it,
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  Speaker 8: is Mike's point of making I think the Patriots would
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  Speaker 8: like that on this year's cap that becomes not likely
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  Speaker 8: to be earned because he only played three four years
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  Speaker 8: last year.
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  Speaker 1: Good point? Correct? Good point? Can we go back to
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  Speaker 1: pen I.
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  Speaker 8: Mean, and just to just to finish that, some people
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  Speaker 8: might not know what I was talking about not likely
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  Speaker 8: to be earned?
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  Speaker 9: That incentive part would go on the following year's.
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  Speaker 1: Cap, right, So there's likely and not likely. So if
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: it happened, well we got Miguil on the show, who's
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: over there? Cat knowledge? Just so people know, likely to
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: be earned is an incentive that happened the year before.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: So if if the person attained that goal of the
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: year before, it becomes likely to be earned and it
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: counts toward this year's cap. If it's an incentive that
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: didn't happen the year before, you can push that to
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: next year's cap. And that's what Paul's talking about.
• 15:10
  Speaker 8: And in this case, and if Mike's point is accurate,
• 15:13
  Speaker 8: and they kind of want to get it off the cap. Now,
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: then I don't think, right likely I'm not likely to
• 15:18
  Speaker 8: be earned to make a lot of sense, right because
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: Evan's right, he's going to have a like, how can
• 15:23
  Speaker 8: you structure incentives that he's probably not going to earn
• 15:26
  Speaker 8: based on what he did last year?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Right? Right? I just think for me, unless it's based
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: on sacks or something like that, you know you could
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: But right, but what did he have like two or
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: three sacks last year? I mean, I can't imagine he
• 15:38
  Speaker 8: had too many?
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: And right country, Uh, I just I was gonna say
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: for me though, no matter what happens with Judah, is
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I have long term concerns about Edge Rusher for this
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: team and really, you know, being able to bring past
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: rush juice. And I mean I I thought a little
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: bit of a historical context. And you know, you remember
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: oh seven, you know, Patriots defense granted getting.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: A little older, but you had Vrabel.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Uh you know, you had Colvin, you had some actual
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: you know guys, and as those guys kind of faded out,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: you hit and in between period of nine ten, you're
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: bringing back Tully, Banta Kine, You're hiring Derek Burgess. You're
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: just desperate to find an edge rusher. Until finally they
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: got Chandler Jones. They able to you know, Rob Nincovin,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: she was able to emerge. They picked up you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: guys like Mark Anderson.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I just Carter still that even then, it was a
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: year to year, right.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: And then when when did they get back to the
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl when they finally found two guys that could
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: you know, play consistently, and I mean, she's that twenty fourteen.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I think Jones and Nikovich played close to every snap. Uh,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: It's just you know, Judoon's on his way out one
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: way or another, and Ouch is on a one year deal.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: We don't know what's going on with him. Jennings has
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: never been, you know, a pass rush juice guy.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: You do love Barmore and he's gonna bring some and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that's very valuable. You can't discount that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: But having an impact edge rusher, you know, you look
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: at Gonzales, you look at the Safeties days locked up.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: There's just some questions now at that front, especially.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm starly confused because today they're back to how they
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: normally do. They've done this every day would be afterwards
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: what they do after to walk backwards? Yeah they do.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: You're okay, but.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Wait, wait till you to get into the twenty twenty
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: five draft. I have a little bit already because an
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: edge rusher class, the Georgia five, we're all going to
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: be talking about tackles.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I look, I look forward to that. Who who's the
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Georgia kid, that's the one I was watching.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: The defensive line in general and on the edge is
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: absolutely loaded this coming up class, so you'll have plenty of.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: That'll be that'll be our fight socks offseason where you'll
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: be like, you go take your back, you take your pressure.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: You talk about your Brial Peppers again for a second, though,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: because that's who.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: Could talk about his entire show.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: We got you know step remember some little pup and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the step. I actually haven't seen him. I just heard
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: somebody that.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: You know, that was my prime sweet spot for college
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: football interest. Oh yeah, and watching him at Michigan, Yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: you know, turning punts, returning punts, playing running back, you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: playing all three phases. Just an absolute stud college player.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: And he gets drafted and they Cleveland just completely misuses him.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: They're putting him on a you know freaking China at
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: free safety. He's lining up like the All twenty two
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: doesn't even have him on the screen. And then he
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: comes here and and they put him you know where
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: it really the Giants started it, Like the Giants put
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: him in the right spot.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: I was gonna say, he played well for the Giants
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: before he got there.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then he comes here and just
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: one of those guys that you you have to remember
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: that every once in a while there are some late
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: bloomers like that do come out of nowhere a few years.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: He's a good player.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't have any problem with him in
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: Duggar as a tandem for the next three years. Like
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: that's good. They're good players.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Usage is so important for so many of these guys.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: We talk so much about the draft.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Patrick Shunn's a good example. That's a great example, Friday.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, and that's you know, I'm not to say
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: that this is mccordy, Harmon and Chung, but you know
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: that's that's you talked about the core of the safety
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: group that really kind of led the way in the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: in the twenty tens.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Uh. They've got a little bit of a you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a foundation there.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: I just I think we're all wondering how did Jalen
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Hawkins and maybe Martin map who, how do they fit
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: into the equation. And I mean Paul immediately you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: pointed out, I mean, not not great for Martin mop who.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: You know, if he's thinking that he's going to get
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: a real prime opportunity here, if he's going to get
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: an opportunity, he's going to have to.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: You know, really earn it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: So tough, a little bit tough for him, you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Josh bloodsoe, those guys not any doors opening.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Keep working hard. Injuries happen. It's football, ye, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: some way, at some point you're going to get an
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: opportunity this year and you just have to take advantage it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That you see Jabrill Peppers on your screen right now
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: if you're watching on your phone or smart TV. There
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he is newly minted Jabrill Peppers. Is that a deuce
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: label that he's got on his shoulder? It's my guy? Yeah, yeah,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: shout out.
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: Be sure to tell your son today.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Oh he he won't care.
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: He's got to get a photo with Pep.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Well, my wife and kids are coming in they for
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: family day, and they were like well, who should we
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: look for? And I said, if it's between zero and ten,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: those are those are the prime kind of guys of interest,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: right like Gonzales and may Polk and Baker a little
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: bit and bentleying off at Jude on a course.
• 20:29
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are live from training camp. It's day
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: three and we're continuing our coverage here. The team is
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: now into their i'd say, offense, defense drills and screen.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you've got a little pre practice walkthrough stuff. May Mike,
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: we've been gone. We went for a commercial. Can you
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: update everyone as to what Julius Jabrill Peppers did.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just he walked a little bit. It was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: pretty great. Clapped. He pointed up to Patriots Unfiltered. You know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: shout out to us, my boy Blue. It's funny because Paul,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it seems like we always have somebody in our staff
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: who falls in love with the safety. Remember Andy Hart
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and Jimmy Sanders, Oh yeah, oh.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, James Peppers at player, he was like the O
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: g Deron Harmon right, just kind of sit on the
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: back end.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why. Why did he fall in
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: love with James Sanders the way?
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: The only thing I remember about him was a really
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: nice game sealing interception against Indy in like eight or nine.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: Peppers is a better player than James.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, he's got better apps to a little attendance update. Yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know if we said this before the break,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: but no Christian Barmore or Marte Mapu to start practice.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: There's our port yesterday that he's under the weather, he's
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: feeling sick, so that that might explain his absence. No, Martinpu.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: We did see it video Gibson, but not in uniform.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Kind of same routine for him.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: He and Terrell Jennings, who's a rookie undrafted running back,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: have been out here but not really doing anything. I
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: don't think either one of them had a helmet today.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Map Pho.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: I will point out.
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: During the end of practice yesterday when they went to
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: the hills to do the conditioning runs, mob who stayed
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: up in the end zone.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: He had one one of.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: Those big, sort of extent, those medicine balls, and he
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: was kind of working by himself, like throwing the ball
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: up and down. So I don't know if maybe he
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: has a lower body injury that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: He's also one more quick housekeeping note on Pop Douglas,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: who Drod Mayo confirmed during the press conference today said
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: he's working through something. It's not major and that's why
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: he's not participating in team drills.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Who was a hand?
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: Daniels called it a hand and listen, I don't know
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: what it is. I suggested yesterday that it had to
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: be something upper body because he looked he's been doing
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: all the running right and he looked good doing it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: But I would say, I would say that a hand
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: injury based on the amount of punts that he's caught
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: We were talking about this a little bit on Catch
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: twenty two, and Barth has an outside the box theory
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that that they have some things planned for Pop Douglas
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: in terms of some of the motions and things that
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: they might be using with him, And I thought's the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: best bar take every little susu.
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: Which they got a whole new offense to learn for
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: a second year player like this that I like, if
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: you want to tell me Marcus Jones, you want to
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: tell me they have some things in line for Marcus
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: Jones that maybe they're not going to let us see
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: that bad I could buy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I I agree with you.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I don't see any reason why they would hold anybody
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: back in this new offense.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: But well, they may not show us what they're doing
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: until we're not here.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: You know, they're not going to hold hold him out.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: No, not for that reason.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: No, Drake, Well, Jake gets a round of applause.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I think that this is this is
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that's pretty good crowd today.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: They do this.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: Crowds much stronger today than either of the first item.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Still seems like half of them waiting to get in.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what.
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of people in the in that in
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: that uh.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: Hey, guys, guys are checking out all the activations.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: I just think there's a lot of people up there.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: I don't think anybody's being held back.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. I think there's a blood drive going.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: There might be people lined up for the blood drive.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of just some hard activations things for
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: the kids.
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: I'm willing to bleed for this team.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I give my blood for the.
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: New Joe backflip the crowd, all.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Right, you know?
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Can I can I point out one quick, little funny
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: theme I've been picking up here over the course of
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the ot as in camp is that is guys trying
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: different stuff like offensive lineman hopping and catching a punt
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: or you know, sometimes you just have the quarterbacks they're
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: running screenplays to themselves. There's just a lot of like
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: guys hopping into things occasion and doing drills that they
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: normally wouldn't be part of.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's part of the fun. Hey,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you try it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess there's probably some value and as
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: a quarterback running the route of a screen and you
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: know kind of you know, doing it yourself and understanding
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit about what the receiver is going to
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: be going through in that situation.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, just something that keeps poppular. It
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: did have a little fun yeah fun.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Did someone say today during the press conference that Marcus
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: and Christian Gonzalez were doing wide receiver drills.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I believe it. Yeah, So.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: That was a question that was that they were doing
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: an open field tackling leverage drill. They're not tackling, they're
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: just setting up to tackle with the leverage, and all
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: the dbs were going through it because on an interception return,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: they have to be ready to carry the football. So
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: they were doing wide receiver drills. They were They always
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: are involved in those types of drills, and that's just
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: so that if they do get a pick, they have
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a feel for the open field and understand what they're.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Doing for the reckon. I noticed that yesterday, but I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: didn't say it because I thought it was just normal
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: yeah stuff.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So when the question was asked today, I was like, wait,
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: did I Yeah?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I think that the reporter who asked it was just
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a little confused. That wasn't I don't want to call anybody.
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: It's a good thing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: I don't know who it was, because i'd let you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: I'm kidding, all right.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: The quarterbacks have been doing this thing with the net
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: though since the spring. I think we've shown it before,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: but they they've been keeping score. They said, of well
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: who gets it?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Listen? I think you know it's it's you want to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: see the footwork. You want to see them moving, but
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: if you're doing throw, it's you've got to be accurate,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and I think this kind of just enforces that. Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Another thing to douce his point about the guy's kind
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: of jumping in and having fun with it. Gid Mayo
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: said before practice as well that they now have a
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: player's lounge and they have ping pong table. He said,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I think he said there's a PlayStation in there, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I actually thought, you know, Paul's shows are probably going
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: to make fun of it a little bit, but I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: actually feel like it's it's a good thing because I
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: agree with exactly what he said, which was that when
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: you walked through the locker room last year, it was
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: a lot of guys sitting in their lockers on their phones,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: just dead to the world and just on an island
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: by themselves. And he said that they wanted to create
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: this player's lounge to hopefully get guys to just hang
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: out with each other and have some team camaraderie games.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, I've been.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Able to tour the Celtics facility, the Bruins facility in
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: the past, and they have players lounges in their facilities.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: As well in the NFL. I mean that was part
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of the survey that went around. The Patriots were behind
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in those types of you know, creature features.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can wholeheartedly confirm that I walked through
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: the locker room tomorrow and douce you guys are in
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: there as much as me and guys are on their phones.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Guys are you know, it was not a what they're
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: trying to create with the players lounge, you know, it
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: wasn't like that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It did Male say, I stay away from that. I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: He said, it was a you know, someone asked him,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: you know, who's the best ping pong player? And he said, honestly,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know, because it's the players lond So I
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: try to give them that space and not go in there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: That's good. Web radio at Patriots dot com is the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: email address. That's web radio at Patriots dot com. Alex
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: writes in with Pepper's coming back, I'm more confident we
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: could continue to run our three three five done defense. However,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: with two big players still wanting contracts, do you think
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: it's more vital for running that defense? Who is more
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: vital for running that defense? Godshaw or Judon Judah three
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: three five.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Like, if we're talking about three three five base Nickel,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I would actually say probably Godshaw, because you need somebody
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the defense that's eating blocks in
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: the running game.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: I think you can just put someone there Juda.
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: I think I agree with Mike that they don't really
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: have a guy like Judon.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Well, if you're talking about rushing the passer, sure, I
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: just think that actually that Jennings might have been a
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: better edgeestter than Judon was. Like Judon a run player, yeah, absolutely,
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: But if you're talking about playing they're three street five
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: on first down.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: I'm talking about the seventy five percent of the place
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: that Nickel are going to try to move the ball
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: and not running into the middle of the line. If
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: you're running, if it's just a pure run situation, Godshaw
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: by far, like he's the best run stuffing interior defensive
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: lineman they have.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: But you're not.
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and you're probably not rolling out of two three
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: five play on first down. You know, I'm worried more
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: about the other two downs.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Ruth from the Boston Renegades emails us and wants us
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out, which I will that they're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in the championship game again. Nice this weekend Saturday on
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: ESPN two. So the Boston Renegades are our local pro
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: women's professional football.
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: So they have a dynasty.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they talk about dynasties. How many times in a
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: row have they won? Like at least six?
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: I think six?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in the past we've flown them out actually
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to their championship game.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: So you don't actually came out to practice wearing a
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: Boston Renegade shirt.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's cool. So good luck to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: them this Saturday. It's on ESPN two. If you want
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to catch it, check your local listenings for time. It's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: bustin bust. Check you the local lists.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: What's the Boston Boston women's sports you know, the Boston
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: women's hockey team, the p WHL Man of the finals.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So you know, keep building up.
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, my Northeastern girl almost carried them to a title.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: There was that Elena Mueller. Elena Mueller.
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: She she scored the overtime winner in Game four to
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: send it to a deciding fifty game.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: One of our former webmasters is part of the crew
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: for the hockey team that was correct Faith.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: And Faith also works for the Boston Reggates.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all together. We brought it off full circle. Okay, yeah,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Ben and Hershey Pennsylvania, Hershey, Park, Paul, you've been there.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Take good take, good take. He writes. In Judeon's opinion,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I want to play here forever. I don't want to
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: be traded. I'm unhappy with my contract. I plan on playing.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Those opinions are only possible because there is now separation
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: of football and business. Judon seems to be happy to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: play for coach Mayo while unhappy with Wolf in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: front office. This dynamic was impossible for twenty years while
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Belichick was both coach and front office. Previous contract disputes
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: will Fork, Mankins, Moss, Welk Or to leave, et cetera,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: may have been easier if they weren't negotiating with their
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: head football coach. It's a refreshing change. Kudos to coach
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Mayo and the Craft for having the vision to understand
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the modern NFL. That's what I mean. I think it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it's a take. I think it's a take.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I mean I think it's actually a pretty good point.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, the you know, it's just Bill is all
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: wrapped into one.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So anything. You know, it's easy for Girod to just
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: be like, hey.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: You can play good cop now yeah, not my job,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: you can, you know. And Elliott what we haven't seen
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: or heard from him.
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: I mean, what happens if they disagree?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Oh drat and yep, well, based off like every other team,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: they work it out based.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Off their release from the organization. Elliot Wolf has final
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: say on the roster.
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: Correct, So good point, Devin. If they disagree, then we
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: got a problem. Elliott Wolf is going to make the
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: decision and we have problems.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But isn't that the same for every team, Paul, Not
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for twenty plus years, but every other team unless you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: have a guy who is like.
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: Not every team has a GM with the final say.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Somebody has the final say coach, right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: So there's no disagreement. The coach has say over it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: It would be as it could be a disagreement with
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: whoever the GM is.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: So okay, right for a good example, who.
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: But the coach is the one coaching the players. So
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: it's not an issue. If Mayo wants a guy that
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Wolf doesn't, that's an issue.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's an issue either way. I mean,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it's a disagreement it's not. It may not be the same,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: but you can still have to.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: Don't know how they won six titles doing it that
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: archaic way, but I mean it's amazing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: So who do you think has respect? Who do you
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: think has final say? In like an Ayuk situation, do
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: you think it's final?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Say? Is Kyle Shanahan? Okay?
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I mean I I think Paul is right to point
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: out the potential flaw in the system. I don't think
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: any system any either way you do it, there's potential flaws, right,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: you know. I mean I think Gerond and Elliott have
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: been up front of him.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: It's about whoever's making the final decision makes the right decisions.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: That's all. It is.
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: The way that with My problem wasn't that Belichick had
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: all the power. My problem was Belichick's decisions, I thought exactly.
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: I thought the last five, six, seven years, I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: that he showed signs of making some poor personnel decisions.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: It wasn't that he had final Like I don't understand
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: all of this, like differences in a holdout.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, look at Joey, look at Alex Korra with the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Red Sox. He's he the players love playing for him. Right,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: he doesn't make the final decisions. I think that helps
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: him in the.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: Clubhouse because it helped the team.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying that, but I just that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: not what he's saying. But I'm not That's not what
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the email was saying either.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: He just sounded like he did.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: I I apologize if that's not what he was saying.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I thought that's what Maybe I took it the wrong way,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but I take it that the guys are not unhappy
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: with Mayo.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: What did you say, Mcker commerce, Yeah, it's they can
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: play a role of good cop, back cop, right, like
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Gerard can be the player's coach, and Elliott can be
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: the one that's strict about the contracts and the money.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And I can see how that can be.
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: And if you're asking me if the players like Mayle
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: more than they liked Belichick, I'm going to probably guess
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: without knowing that ninety nine percent will say yes.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: At least for now.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: I don't know if that's good or bad.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: We'll see in six months what they say. Yeah, I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: think I think, at the end of the day, the
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: modern athlete, and this is probably not new, I think
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: all athletes appreciate it's transparency the modern athlete. Just be
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: level with me, tell me what's going on. Don't don't
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: screw around with me. I want to know what you
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: really feel. So that's if Gerard loses players, that'll be
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: how he loses them, if they don't feel like you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: my coach is upfront with me.
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm but if he was, I thought he
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: was suggesting this is a much better way to run
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: an organization in the modern aw Like that's what I
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: took exception to, not the all the things that he said,
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: why I think were factual. But I also don't think
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: that it's I don't really consider like the whole thing
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: that it was Bill.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: It made it harder to Bill just.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Made decisions, Like I think that he made a good
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: decision by sort of re upping a lot of the
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: guys that he did early, like Mike Rabel and Jarvis
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: Green and Richard Seymour, you know, and you know it
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: made some bad decisions lately of like reupping Devon Godshaw
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: last year. Like I heard someone say today that the
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: amount of guys that they've re signed with a year early,
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: that never happened in twenty years.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It just happened last year. They just did it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: Last year with Godshaw, Right, they do it a lot like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 8: They do that a lot like. My difference is I
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: think that they did it with guys that deserved it
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: in the past, and not necessarily as much in the draft,
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: which Mike hammers.
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: The draft, And I totally agree with this point.
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: They're in the situation they are personnel wise now because
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: they've had really spotty drafting for much of the last five, six,
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: seven years.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: And they the guys that they're giving contracts to, which
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: is I think another point we've made. It's mostly second
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: contracts you're not talking about. You know, at the end
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: their bill is giving extensions to Godshaw, DeVante Parker, you know,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: guys that are just another one they're going to one.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: Like you imagine saying they haven't done that in twenty years.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: They just did it twice last year.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Right, just with the wrong guys. One hundred percent agree.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: The only other thing I would say about the whole
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: power structure is that and mister Crapt has talked about
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: this and in the post you know Bill times here,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: there's so.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Few guys that have earned the right to be.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, So it's not frequent around the
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: league because you're not going to give, you know, for
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: a Dan Campbell to pre control of the Detroit Lions. Now,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: there are some coaches that do have final say because
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: they do have that chops. Kyle Shanahan is one of them, and.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: Another, but that's those are a few and far between
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: two because those are great. Those are great scenarios too,
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: because because I do think that like and I think
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: Seattle had a similar situation for a lot of years
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: with Carolyn Schneider. I think it's a great relationship between
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: Lynch and Shanahan, and I think the same thing with
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: Kansas City with Reed and uh Like. I just think
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: that someone has to have the final say, and I'd
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: rather be the coach. But the ideal situation is not
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: like one all mighty power like Bill had. That's I
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: don't think that's the ideal situation. I think that I
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: think it's better to have two guys, but I think
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: the coach needs to have more control.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: I think Mayo will eventually get that. I think right
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: now he hasn't earned it. He's content ready for that,
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: He's content to let let the you know, others do that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: But but I do think that regardless of who has
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the final say, whether it's the fun office as a coach,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's important for once the decision is there can be disagreements,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: but once the decision is made that they get on
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the same page so that there's no back door. Hey,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you know I wanted to sign you, but you know
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: so and so you know you can't have that. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: can't have, right right, Nate from or Nat from Santa
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Cruz by way of Cambridge living in Los Angeles for
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the summer rights In yesterday, Evan said nobody cares about
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette with a definitiveposity and ordered on know it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: all territory. I disagree. Some of US fans just want
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to see our team win on Sunday. Call it the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: kid in me or bad investor in me. I don't care.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even root for the team to lose for
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: draft position last year, So yes, I care what Jacoby
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Brissette looks like in camp. I hope he's lights out
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the team and they win eleven games in a road
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: playoff game. If Jacoby is winning, then let Drake sit.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I'd rather see Jacoby win games than Drake lose them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Regarding Evan, I think he's one of the best in
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the business, an upstanding guy, and an incredible part of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the modern PU team. So there you go, thank you.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: I the one point I was just making about Jacoby Brissett,
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: and I did say it a little bit more pointed
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: than I meant. But the big thing is is that
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: if Jacoby Brissett is going to start the year as
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: the quarterback, this is our time to watch Drake May
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: play football. Like we could go two months into the season,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: three months in the season, we don't get to watch
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: practice during the regular season, so he's going to be
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: doing everything at that point behind closed doors. So as
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: much as Jacoby Brissett might be the starter, and I'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: not saying that he's irrelevant, I'm just saying that right now,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: this time of year is one hundred percent about Drake
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: May and what he's doing in these practices because Jacoby
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: is going to play in the games, so he's gonna
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: We're gonna have opportunities to talk about Jacoby Brissett for now.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: This is Drake May show right now, and you can't
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: argue with that. I mean, let's face it, they again,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: they drafted this guy third overall to be the future.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: That's what it's all about.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: This was to make this situation a little bit different
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: and a little bit tougher navigate for Gerard Mayo in company, because.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people point to.
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: Those Green Bay situations and even Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, like
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers could sit and develop and
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: get all of the attention in training camp as a
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: rookie because you didn't.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Have to worry about what Brett Favre was doing.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: He was there for fifteen years and he's a Hall
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: of Famer and he knows what he's doing. The same
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: thing when Jordan Love came in and Aaron Rodgers was
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: at the tail end of his Packers' career, you didn't
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: have to worry about getting out to speed if you
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: want to have a semblance of success. Jacoby Brissett needs
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: to get a lot of work in this training camp
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: and get ready to go with the whole new team.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: I understand he has some familiarity with the offense, but let's.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Face it, it's.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: A new offense too, right.
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: He's got to refamiliarize himself with an offense that he
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: was in two years ago exactly, and you know they
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: don't have the luxury of just all development for may
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: That's that's a hard needle ofok threat, Drake may is
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: not the only pe person you need to evaluate and
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: you know on this team, whether it's during training camp
• 46:04
  Speaker 8: or once the games start for real, you got to
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: see what the rest of your team looks like, you know.
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: So that's why it's hard.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah to me, this is the in the early stages
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: of this era with Mayo. This is going to be
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: the hardest thing he's going to have to navigate because
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: when we get into the season, if they're zero and two,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: they're one and four. Every single Wednesday when we see
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: him for the first time to start the new week,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: when is Drake coming?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Well, which quarterback operates the team best? You know? Because
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the rest of that you owe it to the rest
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of the team to have somebody under center who who
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, you know, and whoever does that
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: best should play.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: And that's part of the reason why I feel maybe
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: a little bit more strongly about him starting early or
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: starting week one, because I don't want that distraction lingering
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: all over the team for eight weeks that behind closed doors,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: all these reporters that we work with, they're all gonna
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: be trying to figure out how.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Drake May looks at practice.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: They're all gonna be having conversations with players and off
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: to the side things like that, trying to dig up
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: you know what's he looked like behind the scenes, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: it's just gonna be this whole elephant hanging over the
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: entire team until it's Drake May's team, including a first
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: year head coach who's never done it before that's now
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: going to have to feel these questions about it. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: as much as he was more experienced in it, I
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: there were mistakes made by by Belichick when it came
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: to the mac Jones in this whole situation with Bailey Zappy,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of similar. It's not exactly the same,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: but it's kind of similar where we would go into
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: the week not knowing who the starting quarterback was and
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: it was crazy, yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: And the team didn't even know it was. We didn't
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: know that, And.
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: They're not gonna I don't think he's gonna publicly come
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: out and say we're going with Jakobe through six weeks.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: So we're going through Jacoba through eight weeks. So it's
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Every single week that they're gonna have this this conversation
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: about you know what is it time for Drake and
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: it's gonna go until he plays.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: How do you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: Figure out though, like from an owner's perspective, Like you
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: hear Robert Kraft talking about how he wants his team
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: to get back in the playoffs and win a playoff game.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: How do you do that without like how do you
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: do that and develop your quarterback at the same time,
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Because it's like, you want to start Jacoby Brissett so
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: that you can win some games to get to the playoffs,
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: as you know, Robert Kraft wants us to get back there,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: but then also you need to develop your quarterback of
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: the future too.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like what if.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: You do start off you know, six and one, do
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: you want to put him in or do you want
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: to try to get to the playoffs?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: When was then you do time? Robert Kraft said that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that was two years. Yeah, he'd say he didn't say it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this offseason the Matra and Mao said it the
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: other day on Tuesday. Is more about foundation, Like let's
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: lay a solid foundation in year one. I don't think
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: he's expecting playoffs or anything like.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: That as of right now.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: But it's just it's gonna be something that's gonna hang
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: over the team until they turn it over to Drake,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: of whether or not they're making the right decision to
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: sit in you know, white whatever. And the one example
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: I can think of where a team had some success
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: and then they changed quarterbacks with Miami into it. You know,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Fitzpatrick had them playing okay, plus five hundred football and
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: they had a plan and they stuck to it and
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: they went to Tua regardless of and at the time.
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: And contrary to popular opinion, they continued to play plus
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: five hundred football.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: At the time though. But there was there was some
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: hostility at the time.
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there was some veterans. There was some veterans that
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: were unhappy.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and didn't they didn't to play BA at
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: one point, and they put Fitzpatrick back in.
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: At the end of He got yanked in a game
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: I believe in Denver and got hurt in the game
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: against San Francisco. I might have that backwards, but yes, yes,
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: but he came in and won some games. Now, he
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: wasn't responsible for them winning games.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeap.
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: He didn't play all that well in some of those
• 49:55
  Speaker 8: games that they won, but they had planned. They had
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: a plan, like they wanted to get him, and they
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: didn't really care if they were you know, if they
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: were going to go nine and eight make the playoffs,
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: or go eight to nine and not make the playoffs.
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: It didn't that was secondary to them getting the quarterback
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: red and I think that's the case here.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I would imagine.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's a lot of baggage with the Brian
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: Forlorn situation that's unrelated to that, But at the time,
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: it definitely was something that a lot of the veterans
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: in the locker room in Miami were questioning playing well
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: or winning with Fitzpatrick. You know why, I'd understand you
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: drafted this guy. It's a tough threat, Yeah, exactly.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Tenant Las Vegas rights and Drake May seems to have
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: all the attributes to become an elite quarterback size, arm strength, intelligence,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: thank you Giants, and hard Knot's running ability, work ethic.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: When I read or hears some pundit's question is potential.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Their criticism seems to be based on his lack of
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: extensive college experience, a radic second year performance and his
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: bad footwork and accuracy. What do you think could hold
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: may back from becoming very good or even a league
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: too many interceptions, in ability to read defenses, and ability
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to handle the faster speed. Yea, he lists a whole
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: bunch of.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: Decision making process. He don't know about how he's going
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: to process.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it's to me, it's it's more
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: and it's I guess it's kind of semantics, but like
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: it's like work ethic, right, Like it's is he is
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: he going to put in the time to master those
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: types of things that you guys are talking about, Because
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: it's not going to be that he's throwing picks because
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: he's short army throws and he can't get the ball there.
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: It's going to be because he's not reading defense as well.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: And I thought about this yesterday and Patrick Mahomes was
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: on something maybe a while ago now, and he said
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: that his first year as the starter, not his rookie year,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: but his second year in the league, he still didn't
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: know how to read defenses properly. He still didn't know
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: how to do it, and he won m VP of
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: the league.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: That's getting added to my list right, if you played
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: him his first year, he would have known how to
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: say defense.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: That we talk about and always keeping receipts.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Maybe we overblow some of that stuff a little bit
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: because if you have look, he's not gonna have Patrick
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Mahomes level physical talent, but if you have the physical talent,
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: then you can just kind of go out there and
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: play football. And a lot of these guys just survive
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: on that, and maybe Drake is one of those types
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: of guys.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: I think there's another element too that's just an intangible
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: and it's when the pressure's on, when you need that drive,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: time's running out, are you at your best?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Are you? I mean?
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: And that's what made Tom Brady just so special was that,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: regardless of physical talent or processing, when the game was
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: on the line many many, many more times than not,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: he was going to put you in position to win.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: And that's just something that there's no way to really measure.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: There's no way to know. I mean, even with Mac,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: how many you know game winning and we talked about
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: it all the time. You can't come back once they're down,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: it's it's kind of over. So you know, just would
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: love to see him even if he's had an up
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: and down kind of day and you're not feeling like
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: but it comes down to the end and he's on
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: when it counts, Like, that's worth a lot.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: That's exactly what I was getting at too. It's like,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: to me, it's not about is he going to be
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: able to read a defense? Like he'll learn how to
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: read defenses. It's gonna be the intent is he is
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: his work ethic behind the scenes. One of her needs?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Is he a leader?
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Like the last guy here was not somebody that people
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: were following, right, So like, is he gonna be one
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: of those types of guys that does all those things
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: that made Brady great, you know?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: And he does that at a high level. Yeah, Brad.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: In the Eastern Shore right sin Web Radio at Patriots
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: dot Com, I noticed that Godshaw is wearing a red
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: sweatshirt under his uniform, just like Judon. Are they showing
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: solidarity together or is he riding Judon's coattails trying to
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: get noticed for an extension. I would give jude On
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: an extension, but I do not see the need to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: give Godshaw a big extension. Strong and fast is replacing
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: big and slow. Today's NFL also, who is eighty two
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: on offense appears to be a wide receiver. The number
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: is not on the website's list of players. Jackson, Why
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: is he not on the website. He's on the website.
• 53:51
  Speaker 9: It's on the roster.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Gota have worn the red sieves before, so I
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: would actually say that it's it's probably him taking a
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: page out of Judeon's book. Judah likes to do it
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: to get the sweat on and he just likes the
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: feel of it. Maybe, so maybe gotcha tried it out
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: one day and decide.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: If you liked it too. So you'll notice that you're
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: looking at us instead of the field. That we have
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to turn our cameras for this portion of training camp,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: so we'll do our best to let you know what
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: we're seeing.
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: At the top of the you know, the show, we
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: talked about the attendance. Just to clean a little thing up.
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: Barmore and Mop who were two guys that we did
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: not see. About a half hour into practice, they both
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: came out. They don't do not look like they're doing
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: much of anything. I don't know if you guys have
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: they just watching their positions, but they are both out here.
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: No helmets on for either one of them that I've seen.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: I know mop who didn't have one on when I
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: was watching him. Barbo is kind of down the other
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: end of the field now, so he's just kind of
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: doing that Barmore the Barmore shimming, just like they're just.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Kind of mentally picking in practice.
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: So they clearly are dealing with some you know, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: know what Barmore's talked about and ill miss of some sort.
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: I don't know what moblu situation is.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: I love that saying he's dealing with something. Don't you
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: feel like every day in your life you're dealing with something?
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Will it teach you?
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: I will say too. With Gotscha yesterday he didn't have
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: a helmet with him. Did he today he actually does.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been doing a little bit.
• 55:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he has been doing a little bit.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: Check down City, I have a hitch and a little
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: checkdown to the tight end Mitchell Wilcox, who's been pretty involved,
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: I would say more than I I thought he would be.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: It's the latest in a long line of why or
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: tight ends you can't remember to wear eighty seven?
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's also that's another one, like maybe like that's
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: above thirty two for me, take eighty seven out of
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: the rotation, please, Yeah, but you.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Know eighty seven took himself out of the rotation'd when
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: he went to Tampa Bay.
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: It's one thing I really love about Fred.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the greatest, the greatest tight end of all time.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: That's a right, we're.
• 55:59
  Speaker 9: Going down guy.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That is tight Cole rag that's Brissette going deep to
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Jalen Rager. Coverage.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Jones has just been strapping people in these practices.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: If you know, we know Jones has speed, and you
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: know it's tough to gauge really how good a cornerback
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: he is. But I think he has a role when
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you play those speedy receivers like the Miami.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: Dolphins, where he has to play where he's helped.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He's the guy making sure that after the catch there's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: no yards.
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: And he did open last season he was part of
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: the you know, he was part of the package and
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: he got hurt right away unfortunately. But he's going to
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: have to be a member of that secondary.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: No doubt.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: He's he's been excellent, I would say through these first
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: two practices. I mean he's he's been in great coverage
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: multiple times on guys past breakups everything.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta be honest, when I watched him
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: like his college stuff, and I haven't seen it really translate,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: but I just thought he was excellent at man coverage
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: and sticking with guys. He's always going to be kind
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: of underside, but he's quick. He just had a knack
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: for getting right, you know, at the catch point. He's
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: got that closing kind of burst and that's this is
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: the first time really honestly, and in what this is
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: the third training camp. I know he was limited a
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: little bit, I think in the first one, but this
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: is the first time I'm seeing it kind of pop
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: up a little bit.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: It's just he's you know, the size is always.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Going to be an issue, but I think if you
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: can manage that, uh you know, he's he's he's he
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: can move.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Just you know, and he's.
• 57:24
  Speaker 8: But like that's three reps now, he's been outside too,
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: like they I you know, I'm not not positive what
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: they're working on in terms of their package right now,
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: Like who's you know.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: The you can't say say anyway, Yeah, yeah, he played
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit on the outside yesterday too.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're definitely getting him ready to play ball.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Spots.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: And to Fred's point, it's gonna have to you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: be match up based, right, You're not going to put
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: him out there like they have to a few years
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: ago when he was covering t Higgins and stuff like that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: But I'm just like, right, it's it's the same three
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: corners that we saw for the most part yesterday, Gonzales,
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: Jonathan Jones, and Marcus Jones. But Jonathan Jones has been
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: inside and Marcus Jones has been outside.
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I saw some this little bit of seven on seven.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: I caught a little a Gonzo Gonzo on the slot
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: yesterday too, So I mean, I guess they're trying to
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: give everybody a little That's why I.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: Said it might just be personnel based on what the
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: what the offense has given them. It's not necessarily and
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, speaking of Gonzo, how do you think
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: he's looked so far? Okay?
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: I I do feel like he's still getting his sea
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: legs a little bit in terms of just breaking on
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: the ball and kind of route pacing things like that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's he let up a couple of catches
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: in front of him yesterday. The tay went to Taekwon
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: went to Jalen Polk, but he's he looks great every
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: time you watch a movie, a little bits such a
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: fluid after Yeah, you just I do think that he's
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: starting trying to get the timing back a little bit.
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: I saw him yesterday just kind of start juggling.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Oh uh, your boy.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: Mitchell Wilcox ran unabated down down this, down the numbers,
• 58:55
  Speaker 8: and uh, unfortunately May did not look in that direction.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: There's why open we mentioned yesterday.
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: By the way, on the other field with the second group,
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: Milton scat Milton went before Zappi. Zappi went first today.
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: Oh over There so.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: So little development there.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: That's probably gonna be a day to day back to
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: split up the reps, I would think, because the third
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: quarterback is inherently going to get more reps probably than
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarterback, so you'd be able to get each
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: one of them more kind of alternate the days. Shallow
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Crosser to Hunter Henry, who.
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: Has jumped off side Hunter Henry.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Hunter, Floyd writes in Evan, don't apologize, Uh, Evan Lazar
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: who cares about Jacoby Brissett. Floyd says, Amen, brother, don't
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: drink man.
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a that's a totality issue.
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: Believe me, I feel your pain. I go there a lot.
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily mean it to sound the way it sounds,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: and I and I get myself in trouble by the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: way it comes out.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Drake may still taking snaps.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're sending blitz without any off like goes and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: then just stops.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Well good let him you know, see the pressure.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, see see the pressure.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: That is that is going to happen, So you better
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: be ready. I think another thing to kind of be
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: watching for.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen much of it yet, but some of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: the team periods last couple of years felt like Steve
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Belichick was like going crazy, spinning the dial, sending blitzes
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: and can't you know, just going Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: A lot of that in the first three days. I'll
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: tell you that they had.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Seen Jude on flash back there.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: They had one of the plays yesterday down it was
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: like a corner blitz out of the slot. I think
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: it was bledsoe, there's a good pass down the middle.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Five. A lot of empty here, a lot of tight
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: end with Kobe Brissett like that one. He comes up,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: gives him a high five.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: He jumped you know, kind of jumped on his back
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: a little bit.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, don't don't hurt him.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: Don't even look at I don't.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Even look at it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: It's just a nice route. Looks like a play, right,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: there's a little skinny post. You don't think so you.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Guys know what you speak, Paul. That looked like a play. Yeah,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: the timing has been right, drop down, boom, get rid
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: Well, that forty five couldn't hold on.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: That was nice was going on.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: I haven't really clocked the left field.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: You, Mitchell Wilcox was opened up to see him on
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: that first wrap that Drake May took. Between these two quarterbacks,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: there's a whole lot of.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Don't yeah, check down some well cross and stuff.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: So you had talked about, Evan, that's a lot of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: the Alex Van Pelt system is early that there's a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: lot of sort of yeah, take the easy money and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: sort of get yourself in advantageous situations. I wonder if
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: that's just what they're doing right now they're working on
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: some of those plays. Yeah, I mean, the ball is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: Fred's right, Fred's right, the ball's coming out pretty Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: You know, when they get into the like their gun
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: package is just traditional West Coast, So we're timing routes,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: you're trying to get the ball out quickly and create
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: yards after the catch. That that element of their offense
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: is not it's not a deep ball type of offense.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: It's their early down offense that you get a lot
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: of the deep throws off the play action and stuff
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: like that. But when they get into this type of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: look you know, gun uh spread the field, that that's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: gonna be quick game, that's gonna be empty, Like it's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna be standard, you know, Bill Walsh, West
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Coats Like it's not. It's not a bombs away type
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: of thing.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I would be interested though, to know what's going through
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Drake May's mind, at least in the last two or
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: three plays, because on each of them he had that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: half pump, So like, is that something you're just doing?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Are you thinking of going a different place? Uh?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Like yes, I guess so if it's.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: The former, you got to get rid of that.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, I don't know if he's you know,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: just to on a positive note, like he could be
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: trying to hold a defenders.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: You know, That's why I said I'd like to know
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: what's going through his mind. Yeah, yeah, I thought it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: was pretty good.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, not not really dynamic down the field,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: but but pretty good in timing a couple of connections
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: with Hunter Henry here, yep, I'd be curious, like what
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: would Hunter Henry's honest like assessment be, Like, just what's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: the difference have you seen between what you were getting
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: with Mac Jones?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: But you know how he tows the ball. I mean,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: you never get the real answer, but and well no,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: but but he would be a good guy to ask
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: because he liked Mac Jells. They were you know, they
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: were you know, you.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Just wonder, like with Max part of the gang, Yeah,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: I mean with Mac, it seemed like he was what
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I think I saw a stat that he like, I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: don't know if you lead the league in lack of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: yards after catch, but it was like his average yard
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Like he's basically a catch and fall.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Down tight end with Mac. I just wonder maybe with
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: with Drake if.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: If it makes any difference, if he's got any more
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: juice after the catch with him?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean one of the things that they'll
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: have to coach these players on, you know, when May
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: gets in there is the play is not over, you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: be ready for him to extend play, so don't give
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: up on the play. Always be aware of what's going
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: on back there. Yeah.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was a good line of question.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: I think it was Phil Perry who asked Mayo about
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: how do the coaches feel about him running? About Drake
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: may running, And I thought that was a good question
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: because we've heard it time and time again, whether it's Baltimore, Buffalo,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: that these coaching staffs try to rein it in with
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks running as much as possible. But at the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: same time, that's kind of their superpower is their athleticism.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: So it's like, if you rain it in too much,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: then now you're asking him to do things that he's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: not good at.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So I heard Anthony Richardson saying, you know, I'm not
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: going to stop running. Yeah, that's he said, exactly what,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: That's my superpower, right, So that's tough.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: And that's one thing that in practice necessarily going to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: see is the off script stuff like when he extends
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: plays with his legs and rolls out and gets out
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: on the perimeter and makes throws down the field. That's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: such a big part of his game that we're just
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: not going to see gotchas.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: On the eleven and eleven, Yeah, which I think is
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: a good a good sign.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: You got the right tackle. Paul Shad from Schenectady, did
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I get it? Chaff of Schenectady has a little defense
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: of Barth Evan. He says he just wanted to point
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: out that when the news broke about Douglas working through
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: an injury, Barth walked back his theory about them hiding him.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Come on, Evan, don't throw your boy under the bus.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'm always going to throw my boy under the bus.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: Is that Calvin flipped?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: I think Wallace is at left tackle and Cheops is right,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: and there it is and there it is.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: So yeah, defense had a read on that album pass
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: broken up. Not a long pass either. Two guys converged
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: on that pass by Bursett.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: We talked about this yesterday on Cash twenty two also,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: and Mayo got asked a few questions about to rotating
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: the offensive line and how much you really at what
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: point do you want to roll with five guys and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: show as possibility?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: And I got it.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: I don't really care for all the rotating they've been doing,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: you know, I think at some point you got to
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: stick to five guys. I mean, I know we're not
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: in pads yet, so I'm trying to be It's it's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: funny with it.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: It's funny because for this being you know, the differences
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: that we've observed, Like I almost feel like it was
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: a little bit easier to get a bead on some
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: of the depth chart with bills practices than I have.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: This one.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Feels like it's been a lot of random randomness with
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: some of the you know, second level guys.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'd rather them do all this shuffling now
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: and figure this out versus trying to figure this out.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: For sure, absolutely try all.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: The different combos.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: Especially, I feel like after a week of pads, you
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: should know who your best fight is.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: The question is how do you determine that unless it's live,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: unless the defense is going.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: On, maybe the dirt practice will be like their their
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: key moment.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: When I know we talked about that earlier. You know
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: how much more important that one day of joint practice
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: might be this year compared to other years because there's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: so many questions. I just can't get that extending the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: play on the run in almost throwing a pick. Should
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: have been a pick right in the hands of who
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: was that they couldn't hold on to it, So he
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: should do push ups for Trump. I'm serious. He should
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: have caught that.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: And just like to just sort of talk a little
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: bit about the play itself. That play was by design.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 8: It was a hard play action with the boot and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: the thrower is on the run and unfortunately, I'm not
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: sure he saw Bentley underneath and really had perfect coverage
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 8: on the play.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Probably should have had it picked.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're really struggling to get these boots blocked, like
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: they just they're leaving the edges unblocked and guys are
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: just coming through unblocked, and it's just causing problems for Bersette.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: There's been a couple of times now where they've they
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: haven't really picked it up, or haven't gotten the edge
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: to bite on the fake, you know, those types of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: things that that's the one thing about this scheme I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: don't particularly love. And so Mitchell Wilcox is being asked
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: to block Matthew Judon in past protection and it's just
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: the way that the formation is designed that happens a lot,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: and that is not a matchup that they are going
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: to win.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: So I'm also going to say, like, given the concerns
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: we have on the offensive line, there's a lot of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: plays where they're asking the quarterback to turn his back
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: to the rush, and yeah.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: That's a play right there.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: As soon as Perset turns around his gut, nothing but
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: a face full of Matthew Judon coming coming right at him.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: So to Evan's point, I'm not.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: Sure the personnel is necessarily the best fit right right
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: now for what they're trying to do.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if maybe the counter sort of the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: fix is that instead of the full boot you start
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: to run maybe more half boots, so you're not getting
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: the quarterback quite as far outside the pocket and widening
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: the pocket as much as you would in a full
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: boot leg, but you're still getting the same action. You're
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: still get you know, creating the same displacement in the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: defense or similar. So maybe they could do something like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: that to kind of work around it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Here's an email I don't necessarily agree with, Todd writes
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: in Drake looks so much like a kid still without
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: definition and gangly. I really would like them to see
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: them highly focused on building up his body. If he's
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: going to use his legs otherwise his throwing we should
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: looks smooth.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: And he does need that. He thinks he does need
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 8: some ball and twenty pounds. I know, but I mean,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: he's not necessarily defined. He's still he looks like an athlete.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: He's he's just a kid.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's got time. I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't worry about it. He will fill out, yeah,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: but he he does need some bulk on his on
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: his frame.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: He's not quite as imposing as his listed height and weight.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: I noticed that. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: Immediately at the at the combine, when I stood next
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: to him, I was like, this guy's six four two twenty.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I can't really feel sick. I got the two twenty.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: Evan, what's switched your guy? Josh Allen's weight bigger?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, he's a load.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: They were wished his weight when he came in though.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question, probably like Josh Allen thirty. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: On your show yesterday they were talking about hand size,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: oh gosh, and Drake May's hand side being on the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: lower end of quarterbacks. That was off of Phil Perry's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: story fifteenth percentile, which is low.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but anything above nine is past okay, and he's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: barely over nine.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Josh Allen that made me think he's over ten.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's got some pause. There's the quarterbacks that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: are in the ballpark of where Drake may is that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: have gone.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: Burrow was famously mocked coming out of college.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Having Mahomes doesn't have much bigger hands than that.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and now he's being mocked for looking like Eminem.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: I think Mahomes's was bigger, Burrows was small. Just over nine.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say Sean and Vancouver. I agree with Paul
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: about Belichick no longer making good decisions. This was especially
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: true when it came to the offense since fourteen. It's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: not like he completely lost it, though. When it came
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: to defense, he always had his a game, picking up
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Jude On and mastering the first round in twenty twenty
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: three to get Gonzales. I was sure Christian Gonzalez would
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: have been taken in the top ten. Why did Bill
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: make so many head scratching decisions in his last ten
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: seasons with offensive personnel and coaches? Was he stubborn? Did
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: he just fall behind and where the league advanced. You
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: know what, I I know it could be a conspiracy,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: it could, but I think that his relationship with Brady
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: was such that it's like, all right, Brady, you think
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: you want to do it all on your own, I'm
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: going to focus on the defense.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: I just don't think he has I don't think he
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: was quick to adjust to the importance of offense and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: the changes that offenses were making sort of in concert
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: with one another.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Alex says that we have players families in the YouTube chat.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: There we go. Supposedly Anthony Jennings's mother is here in
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: the stream. Son. We give Anthony Jennings some love. Absolutely, Yeah,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: good to get him back.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: What a year last year for him.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: You know, I just said up before, but just always
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: felt like in Alabama that's what he did. He was
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: a stout, stand up edge rush kind of guy. Maybe
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: not the most past rush in the you know, pass
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: rush juice in the league, but uh, last year he
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: was outstanding on the edge, set in the edge. Watching
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: some early practice though, I mean it's it's been a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: lot of key on White. I feel like they're really
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: getting a look at key On White with that top group,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: you know, opposite Judawn standing up, and I, you know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: I wonder what that rotation is going to look like.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: With Jennings, I have not seen him out there much.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Have you seen much from him? I'm not going to
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: run stuff yesterday that.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Was it though.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: It's just okay, But I just feel like it's with
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Keon White. I still feel like he's a ball of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: clay and I'm not really sure what he is.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you somebody fell that juju. Yeah, thank you for
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that deuce, because I was thinking the exact same thing
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: with Keon White. Everybody thinks this guy is going to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: be a monster. He looks like I think we've yet
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: to figure out a monster at what Yeah, well, I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: think that's uh.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: I think right now, what they're trying to what I'm
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: reading in is that can this guy play outside line?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Can he stand up for us and be you know,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: kind of what Judon is? I mean that's what it's
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: to do that I no, no, I mean that's you know,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: he doesn't really have much wiggle. I do think he
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: has surprising light feet, and he's pretty uh, you know,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: has some good change of direction. But I think he's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: going to be a power rusher, whereas you know Judon's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: got He's an experienced veteran.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Juden's got some some savvy to it. So who made
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: that catch?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: kJ Osborne, good catch by the way, r PO screen. Yeah,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: this eleven period for both quarterbacks has been awful. Yeah,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: just just to throw that out there, it's just been terrible.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, Gonzales pass breakup almost picked by Juwan Bentley,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: Matthew Judon sack essentially a five yard completion on a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: hitch to Remandre. Then we have another I don't even
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: know what that throw was that he threw off that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: bout leg wobbler from Drake May almost picked the Juju
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: falls down on the route.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Like this is this has been.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Well, It's like the people who thought yesterday was such
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: a disaster where we got to go today.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: So the offensive line situation to me is there's a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of mixing and matching today. The first
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: couple of days when you would stay out there at
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: the right guard spot while the second group came in.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: Today he did the same thing. But there's been other
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: guys like Kayden Wallace stayed with him. Chukes has been
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: out there a little bit with this group, and then
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: there's been other guys, you know, like Leverett has been
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: sort of in there, Michael Jordan has been in there.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: So they're doing a lot of mixing and matching with
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: these personnel groups. I that that line that Mayo had
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 8: on Tuesday about finding the best five, I think is
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: sort of like illustrated in how much they've been just
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: rotating and trying to.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 9: Figure that out.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: And I think the kind of what you know Tamara
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: was saying is is can they settle on at least
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: what they like for right now so that you can
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: develop some continuity, because through these last two days of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: practice it's been hard for them to really get any momentum.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: Go Yeah, I think it's going to be hard to
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: build chemistry in an offensive line and for the quarterback
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: to feel comfortable playing behind that offensive line if it's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: a different five every single week going into week one.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: So I hope, realistically, yeah, how quickly do you think
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: they can do that?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: I really hope by the end of the joint practice
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: they know these are five, Okay.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: But like, what's that's fair? They should already know who
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: because you'll have a preseason game under your belt, right.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: They should already know, like the most of these guys
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: have already played in the NFL. The only guy that
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: hasn't played in the league is Caden Wallace that might
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: actually factor into this. So it's like, you know, four
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: fists of your line is going to be Chukes City,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: So David Andrews Mike on wedding, like, those four guys
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: are going to play. So it's really just that right
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: tackle spot that's up for grabs, and that's amongst a
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: couple of different people. So I'm cool if they want
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: to put four fists of it out there and then
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: have Calvid Anderson and Vederian Lowe and Caden Wallace and
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: those guys, you know, fight it out until the end
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: of the summer. But like, why are we shuffling the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: entire thing? You know that that the whole period of
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: eleven's was just kind of disaster.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I think you should go down after the practice and
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: finger wag somebody. I wish I could. Adrian writes in
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: from Delaware, says it's enjoying the coverage. I have a
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: day off today, so with me being a productive thirty
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: year old millennial guy, I got up at five am
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to go running and then mow the lawn. Now I'm
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: relaxing while eating delicious watermelon and mixed fruit. One question
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: for offensive enthusiasts, which of our receivers can run the best?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Thirty two all coverage from DVOA Post Root Italian with
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Mayo route concepts. I think he's making fun of Evans.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: I think he is because he just had the everything
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: from rolling the lawn and having some fruit.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: No, not my day. I love.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: I love how he painted the picture of his morning.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: There you go. No, it's an Evan tribute right there,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: Absolutely was Evan stopped listening very No, somebody ran leak.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: So what do we have going on in the field
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: right now? This is that old angling drill, middle of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the fields tackle pursuit. Still no pads, so yeah, they're
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: not bringing No one's going to the ground.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 9: They are in shells.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: Today. You mentioned that we did mention that amped it
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: up a little bit.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: So Evan was not happy with the elevens Now that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: we just saw. It's gonna send a mean tweet.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Anthony writes in from South Carolina. Any thoughts I'm bringing
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: back Gilmore to solidify our defensive back group. Jesus high
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: highly in favor of that. Uh.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: I just saw White catch the ball and run and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 8: he actually looked pretty good doing it going against John Ventley.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty funny.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: He's a scary guy. I was looking at him yesterday
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: after he spoke at the podium and.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, Alex writes in I was wrong. It's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings mother in the chat.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: And unfortunately I don't think he's doing a lot today.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: He's been.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: Uh, I think he's been kind of rehappening a little bit.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: No, you're Jennings, Yeah he hasn't.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: I don't think he's been.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: Fully healthy then, but you probably don't have to tell
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: his mom that she should probab.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: But that's a shame because in all seriousness, that's a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: position that I think opportunity is probably a greater chance
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: of one of those lesser known players, you know, making
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: an impact.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: Ye, So missus Jennings tell him to get healthy fast.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: So now we have to keep up with the Joneses, Jenny, too.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 8: Many at.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: See here comes somebody walking with as many Joneses as
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: we once did. We lost to of them. Yeah, right
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: from last year, Jack and Mack, Jack and Mac.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: I wonder how Jack Jones doing out there. I don't,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I do believe unless that's Gibson now. So here he
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: comes Terrell Jennings walking up right now from the lower
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: field with one of the coaches or trainers.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 8: So yeah, his summer is slow start so far getting helpful.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: You're having a hard time reading in the sun, Freddy.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: What's it listening to you guys?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they are changing, well, we have a little
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: bit of a dead period here.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 9: They're changing.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Periods and probably special teams. Now you think maybe, I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: think they're going to do another team period. Those are
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: always the funnest looks like they're going to riverside? What
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: does that mean, Paul? Switch sides? Why did they call
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: it riverside?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: That's an Andy Hart is that that's a specific football term.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: Every coach that I ever had used to say, let's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: just riverside it. Why can't you just tell.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Us the switch side?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 8: It's too many syllables. Iron sharpens iron, That's true. Dan
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 8: Quinn taught Andy that what do we got going on
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: over there? With the alignment and some band work to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: tug one resistance span Dante's and.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: That's where they jump rope. They just do that little
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: double Dutch resistance ban stuff.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: Well, i'd have to I have to get a little
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: of that in the and the blogs might some of
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: the five hundred words.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: Actually a seven on seven that we're gonna do, uh
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 9: the same time.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quick game to Austin Hooper.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: Hoop Hooper starts to drive Hoop?
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Ain't you watching complete? Actually no, Austin, I'm infatuated with
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the band work.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Is this another one? As soon as you take the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: line out, they look okay. Well, I just like everything
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: has been so short.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they in sevens. They're definitely working click game concepts.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: Oh they did run a double move there and wasn't there?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: kJ Osborne did not run by eight seconds late.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: Marco, Yeah, I was gonna say that were either in
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: a sack or tackle in the back.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: That's a checked out.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 8: You're looking to do something downfield, it's not there, you
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 8: check it down.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Mike.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've seen enough of that.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: But do you think that the the what they're telling
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: the quarterback here is if it's there, throw it or
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: do you think this is a checkdown drill? I know
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: They shut up yeah, I think they try to do
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: something on that plot. Okay, looked like a double move.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: I do think that when they get into the gun, though,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: that they are trying to get the ball out quickly.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: They're not really looking, you know, running a ton of
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: round concepts other than the one we just talked about
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: that that would that would not.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Have been a pleasant day for kind of custamental traffic.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 8: And there was one of the was it was it
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: Bentley or your boy when somebody was coming from the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: inside and just kind of, you know, did that little
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: skip to avoid the contact, all.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Right, that would have been ugly. Looked like Bentley to me,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: But I thought a lot of single dude, Mike, just
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: write a about the single zero to ten. That's all
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: you need to know. Really not help you there. Double Alex,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: double a ju ju. Alex Austen is a guy who
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: you know on the something him.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they call him double as he definitely
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: seems like to the third rotational outside corner, where as
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 5: I like to call it the Jason mccordy there you yeah,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: just the you're gonna have Gonzo, You're gonna have John Jones.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: Those are your two primary corners and it's some packages.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: I feel like Alex Austin is going to be that
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: that third guy kicked John Jones inside and like Alex
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: Austen played the premiere.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: Make Sean Wade expendable.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Oh Wade, I got, I got a nod. I don't
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: know if anybody caught that. I got a little bit
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: of a nod from that.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 8: Probably didn't want to be guilty of totality issue there,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 8: so he just gave.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Me a nod.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: It's really to me. I don't even know Sean Waye's
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: in this mix at this point. Marcella's issle Isaiah Golden
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: like if those two younger guys can maybe overtaken. But
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: Alex Austin's a young guy too, so it's not like
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: he's a you know, going into You're getting old or
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: anything like that.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: He's in your two.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: I only had a good day yesterday, you had, Yeah, So.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: That was an interesting one, like to freend to your
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: point earlier about are they just purposely throwing it? You know,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: he had Hunter Henry open coming across the field and
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: he kind of looked it off to try to hold
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: the safety and then took the shot down the field
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: of Jalen Polk was incomplete, was.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: A little overthrown.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: Would you say I got a glimpse of Yeah, he
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: got he got he got a good good position there,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 8: and I thought he was in position.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got a glimpse.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think of hope I do get
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: a Jacoby Myers vibe from him, but.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: I don't want to I don't want to overstate I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: would love to get a Jacoby Myers vibe from Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: I think it would be great for Drake May to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: have that binky like Mac Jones had Jacoby Myers and
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: great Drake May has just love that.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: A little juice.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: He just worry about about the explosiveness, like is he
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: gonna as much as Jacoby was reliable, it was never
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: it was never dynamic. Yeah that's okay if that's your
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: second wide receiver too, as we say, but.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, that's why I would still have
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: hope for Polk to be better than the Myers is
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: just you know, Polk has been a career wide receiver.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I mean he's you know, it took Jacoby a little
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: time to build up to it, coming from you know,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: quarterback position. To be fair to say, you want pope
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: at some point to be at least as good as
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: T Higgins. Well, I think they're different players. Wow, I
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: mean that's.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, one of the second round picks.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: Ever, Yeah, I don't. I don't consider T. Higgins elite,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: but he's really good. He's one of the best. Yeah,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: he's like, he's a good I.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 9: Don't know where your cutoff is, but he's really good.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I just it's it's struggle with player
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: comps because people immediately say that's what you are. But
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: like the style of An Kwon Bolden's game, you know,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: he's got some size. He's probably not you know, I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: mean later in his career, not super fast, but just
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: reliable inside and tough and big enough that he can
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: kind of deal, especially in the red zone.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: It with some of the physicality.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: It's by worry and I love, I love, love love,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 8: and he's a physical beast. I mean, he's like a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: Pepper's time. I don't like the fact that we're talking
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: about a guy coming into the league the way An
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: KWin Bolden left the league.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: Andrew Bolden did not come into the league.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: As a physical beast that was out muscling guys.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: The first game he played as a pro, he set
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 8: a record for like two hundred and whatever amount of
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: You know, he was a really good athlete who you know,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: took a lot of wear and tear over the years.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I say this a lot.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 9: Fred Who's the guy Vincent Brisbee?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: I always talk about Vincent Brisbee when guys come out
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: of the Mount of College.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: And they were a little iffy in terms of their
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 9: speed and athleticism.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: That's that's hard to overcome because you're gonna you're gonna
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 8: lose a little bit as you go, and if you
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: already come in like on the sort of on the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 8: baseline in terms of the measurables, it's hard to maintain it.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with wide receivers, I don't care. Always physical,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: always a fifty to fifty guy. Oh he shipped, what's
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: his production? That's all it comes to. What's the production?
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Does he get over? Does to catch the ball?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 7: And that was a nice diving catcher there, sure was.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: That's kick white Jackson. But when I like so much
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: about that, not to make everything about may that is
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: just not a throw that we've seen quarterbacks around here.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: Make like you're going far hash on a ten yard
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: you know, comeback route there and he gets it there
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: on a rope like that. Those are throws that with
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: Matt Jones, we were all like, yeah.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that people forget. If you're in
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field, when you're throwing to the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: far hash, you're still throwing the ball over twenty five yards.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: It's still a you immediate throws just going a long distance.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: That's why so many of them get picked off.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he put it, I mean only where Jackson could
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: come back to it too.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good throw. I mean, I know
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: it was a good it was getting there. That's a
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: rookie thing.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: The ball just came right out of this he wanted
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: to like, just like Mahomes, that one almost felt like
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: he was with a side arm.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: So why don't we describe what happened there?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: Well, I actually look at it differently. I guess like
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: he just off platformed it all the way out to
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: the side of that.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: It's true he did, But did you see the ball
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: He had to trap it against his hip because he
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: lost control.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, I mean he still got it, pulled it down.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: Like I just feel like those types of throws are
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: to me, that's impressive. Like he just he stumbled a
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: little bit, like he didn't have his feet under him,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: and the ball still got was catchable or in the area.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: It's a physical play that not a lot of guys
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: can make. I don't ever want to see it again.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: But the fair enough. It's like the play.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 8: It's like the throw that Brady completed from his book.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: That's a good one over the middle.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, great play. Don't ever do it again.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: That's the first time I think I've written Bouty's number down.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I had earlier. I thought it was
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: sim but then it was Raager. I keep mixing them.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Those those guys. Up Emery writes in one of the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: things I'm most interested in is how the receivers perform
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: with May versus the other quarterbacks. Is Drake May elevating
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: them or not? Have you noticed that at all so far?
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  Speaker 1: And could you please try to mention who the quarterback
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: is whenever you remark on a catch.
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  Speaker 5: No, you can definitely do that second part. It's a
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: little early to tell.
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  Speaker 1: Just such a heavy rotation right now. I mean, it's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: it's just hard. I would like to have seen him
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: throw that seem just.
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  Speaker 4: May still came back to check down Baker think may
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: just I think that was the last.
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  Speaker 8: One for me, and we'll do another eleven at this point. Oh,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 8: we have a quarterback expert in the house.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 12: Oh yeah, Scott Zolac now joining the show.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: You what you got there?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: You got a burrito? Nice?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 9: We got food already.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: They have their own spread ball. Oh nice, it's catered.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, it's a it's a catered they are it is
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  Speaker 8: Paul shows though, Does that count?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: That's one of my.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: Shots, one of my shows.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I can use his employee branch over there right, Yeah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: uh well it's in my office. Anybody see Dante High
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Tower yesterday?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: Just what a coaching look.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: He's like the bucket hat on. I was very confused.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's got the sleeveless.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: Like red wind breaker on with like the bucket hat
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: and the glasses.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you just look like. I'm like, that's he's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: got the coach style down.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: I might have to start trackings Gon sleeveless shirts for
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: High Tower.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 7: He's gonna have a catalog all High Tower.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Guns out today.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: Yes, for High Tower, no sun, but guns were out.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: David Bethlehem writes in her right for football? Are you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: seeing much ol coaching? What coaches are doing? What are
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: you seeing any coaching or is this just a public
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: exhibition for FASI tryout. There's a lot of coach.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little hard with the O line because
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: they're that down opposite of us. So you know, usually
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: it's like a massive humanity of offensive and defensive linemen
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: opposite of us.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: And so now this is another whole different offensive line
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 8: that's going to start off this eleven on eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this is never mind, I'm on I'm on the
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: different fields.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 9: I'm on a different field.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Never mind. I have talked to some of you.
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  Speaker 5: We talked to some of the tackles yesterday, Jukes, the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: core for Kadian Wallace and uh or not Kaden Wallace, sorry,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: Calvin Anderson, and they had a lot of good things
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: to say about Peters. And that wasn't just at the podium.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: I had to chat with them about it off to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: the side. You're talking, Yeah, and they both those guys
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: were really complimentary of what they they've gotten so far
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: from a coaching standpoint with Scott Peters.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: So what do you make of the two tackles Wallace
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: and Chewkes going with Zappi on the opposite field. Yeah,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: and the rest the rest of the dudes are over
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: with Gonzales. That was like Gonzales and Jay Jones in
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: the secondary.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: I mean it feels like a little mix up, you know,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: letting the letting the upper echelon offensive guys go against.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 8: That's why I got confused because I saw enough, yeah,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: regular players on this side, so this is really yeah.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 8: I mean, I gotta imagine a mix mix of person
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: and when you break down the film right here where
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 8: it's like, all right, this is our you know, but
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 8: top offense kind of going against the secondary that's filling
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: with guys that are.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: We don't really know what's going on. So on this field,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: which is closest to us, where you have a CORPS
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: four and Cayden Wallace, maybe they're doing something that tackles
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: play more of a role. Maybe it's it's a defensive
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: centric drill, but maybe it's a good test for the tackles.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: So maybe they just want to We don't know that.
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  Speaker 8: They're just waiting on those bootlegs like all day long.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: Nobody's so I mean, we can say maybe it's anything, right,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: I have no idea, But like they're running eleven on
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 8: eleven and they're.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 9: Mixing and matching the personnel.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Hey, it's Jones, Gonzales and ze Peppers in the secondary.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 8: So three of the four guys are regular guys with
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: Brandon Brandon Schooler.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, in simplest of terms, second
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: over's first d secondary and over there you're getting a yeah.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: Just interesting about the tackles, Like you have Calvin Anderson
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: and Vederian Lowe with the with the ones, and then
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: you have Kiddie Wallace and Cheops the core for with
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: Bailey Zappy.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Which one is left over there? Cheops over here? They
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: did you sit over there? And I wasn't left on
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: this side wallet and Cheops is on the right. Well
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: it was the first play anyway. I don't know if
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: they switched.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: Joseph in Vietnam, but Anderson's left and low is right
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: on the far side.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: MI, yes, that is correct, Okay. Joseph says I was
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: watching a Belichick interview and he said they used to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: evaluate players by projecting what they'll play like after their
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: second year jump. He then continues that some players make
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: that jump during their first half of their rookie season,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes during their second training camp, sometimes longer. My question is,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: who is clearly making their second year jump right now?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Did any rookie have their second year jump in their
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: rookie year, last year or any year you can remember?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 8: I mean, they haven't had pads on yet, so I'm
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: not gonna talk about second year jumps per se right now.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 8: Like Mike, Mike has talked about key On White being
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 8: heavily involved in a lot of personnel groups. I think
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 8: he would be a guy that Mayo is singled out
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 8: already in the offseason. Guys, you know, I don't know,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: guys have had really good rookie years.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: You know. Unfortunately we didn't get to see Gonzales because
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: he was out.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: Like Devin mccordy had a Pro Bowl caliber rookie ye
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: had Pro Bowl not caliber.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: He was a Pro bowler right his rookie year. You know.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I think Bronk is a guy who got better and
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: better as a rookie. Yeah, so maybe he maybe he
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: made the second year jump in the middle of his
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: rookie year.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think the two guys that that that
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: jumped to mind Paul, you mentioned Kem White, of course, uh,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: Krishian Zawes, I'm gonna leave him out of it though,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: uh city, So I mean otherwise I think I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really I'm not really about a little banged
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: up about the ultimate second year jump, Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 5: Is there is there another level for Pop Douglas because
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: he's healthy, He's the other one right saying healthy? I
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: think yeah, but take in terms of like his actual
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: play on the field, like, yeah, is that where is
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: that you know, in terms of talent level, because he
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: would be the one guy that I feel like could
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: other than Gonzales, which I think is an obvious one
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: that maybe could.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Should make that leave.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't don't. I haven't seen it with Kean
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  Speaker 5: w yet, like I watch, but yeah, like I said,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: I thought that I did catch run stuff from ninety one. Yeah, right,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: for a few guys just took us.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: So now.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: There was like that was like he took a hard
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 8: step to his right just we're talking about Dietrich wise
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 8: yep uh, and then shot right through a gap. Now
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 8: is that like sort of any different than what you've
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: seen in terms of technique?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: Not necessarily depending on you know what they're from. The
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: atantics are what they're playing because usually like the weak
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: side player, they they will let him just shoot the
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: gap one on one.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: But it depends, you know.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: That's one thing I you know, I was talking to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 8: Fred before the show about all the offensive players that
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: we're talking to were, you know, which talking about how
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: Drake may looks and that, you know, the changes to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: the offensive system and I know the defensively there's probably
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 8: I don't know if you want to say ninety five
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 8: or more percent the same, But do you think there's
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: any any changes in terms of the way they want
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 8: to play? Not will they be more aggressive? Will they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 8: do anything in terms of by design?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that yet. There we go.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: He got behind it.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Well he let go on that on purpose. It's easy hearn. Yeah, okay,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: is that forty two? So tell us tell us who
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: did watch? Yeah?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Jayleen Polk got opened deep and it was a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 8: nice ball by Drake or for a long catch.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hawkins. People in coverage and he got him right
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: over there and dropped it in the bucket. Jalen Hawkins
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: was lurking on that one. So all the offense is
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: excited about that.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: Zez Hearn was the corner and coverage again, so he
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: seems to be the guy that gets victimized.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: On the deep balls where is easy her And now
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: he's a more physical corner at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: like he's like a bump and run. Okay, truly, So
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he's prime Stephon Gilmour and we
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: just haven't seen it yet. But in his defense, if
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 5: you can't really get physical at the line of scrimmage
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: with guys, and he's going to struggle to keep up
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: and foot.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: Did you think that that Hawkins led up there a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: little bit a little bit?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think he was going to get
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: there in terms of making a direct play on the football,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: but I do think he.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 9: Yeah, see, I don't want to see those.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: There's two or three plays like that today that you
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: can do and practice that I don't ever want to
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: see anything.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: So that was one where May was dropped back, had
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: two people right in his face and he.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: Threw, he back pedaled and off his back foot floated
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: one out to the flat.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Now it was complete, it was complete.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 8: But those are the kinds of plays that you don't
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: necessarily want to see a lot of and I know
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: that he has the arm to get it there. There's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: that omnipressing clip on Twitter that everybody rose like. Everybody
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: runs it periodically. Mac Jones backfoot compared to Drake may
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 8: backfoot and it's a throw that Mac made in Germany
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 8: last year for the game ceiling pick and a play
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 8: at North Carolina where May off his back foot, flips
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 8: one forty yards for a touchdown. Yeah, I understand physically
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 8: he's capable of doing some of that stuff. I think
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 8: you gotta learn the you know, you're got to learn
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 8: the real, the regular bread and butter first before you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 8: worry about homes.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: And this gets back to my take about letting him
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: make mistakes his rookie year. Let him get into a
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: game and do that and get picked off, And that's
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: the best way to learn. You have to do that.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: Some people have to see it and actually believe to
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 7: believe it.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: You know how your parents will tell you not to
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: jump off the table one hundred and fifty times, and
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: then you do it and you bust your leg open,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: and then.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 7: You won't do it again.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: It's like, Okay, why did that seem awfully specific not me.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 7: But you don't have siblings. I have brothers. They don't listen.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Jumping off tables. Oh yeah, stove his hot. Don't touch it,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like some people just have to do it.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: You have to do it to believe it.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Aboard it, snap, aboard, aboard, just as Kean White was
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: getting ready the city soda.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 9: So I didn't like that.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: Now it's a little extra business.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, booty blockings blocking, nice catch.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: Baker downfield from Joe Milton whips one downfield? Is that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: dial and coverage that wash?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: Is?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: He is?
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 9: He just celebrating there? Yeah, that was about four sacks.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: On that point.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Underwood came running. I couldn't even see the quarterback. I
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: just thought it was it was Milt Milton just through
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: an absolute missile down that's about fifty yards sixty yards down.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 8: Okay, and Jake May hands on head.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 9: And see that's another one of those that you guys
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 9: have been talking about.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: It was the double pump.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: Yes, it was the double the double pomp, and I'm
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 8: flat for enough's gonna flick it? Yes, guy, not in
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: this league. A lot to learn celebrating in the end zone.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say that the blocking on these
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 5: these blue legs have been a disaster.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 8: Ice clean pocket there see. Now when get in the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: clean pocket, like they can flow the ball. Yeah, all
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 8: of these guys, like you just got to give.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Him a little time. I'm enjoying himself out here. By
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: the way, he always gave salute to his offense there.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Well he gave he they he should.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: That was like, really, that was probably the best pocket
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: they've had all camp on that play, and he fired
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 8: one for about a fifteen yard concture.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of liking having man Milton. I'm not gonna
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: lie like I just I want this team to be
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: like everybody else there. I want this seem to be
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl contender. And like taking shots on quarterbacks,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: I'm all for it. And it's just that, like Milan,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: it just adds a little bit of spice to cam.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: I don't you know, maybe he ends up on the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: practice squad whatever, But like taking chances on guys with
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: unique and special athletic traits, it's it's.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: What I mean, just the guy, no reward. Yes, they're
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: both going to be projects. They have a lot of
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: work to do. But if you don't risk it and
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: goop for guys.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: Like that you're not going to get the reward.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean, I just like Milton's energy. Man,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: he kind of like it does it's.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 8: It's a little bit like Cam didn't seem to like
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 8: it when it was Taekwon that much the same guys
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 8: with unique but Skinny is not one of them.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: Cold strange. Well, I mean they had two drafts ago.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: They had a draft full of individually athletically gifted guys
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 8: at their positions. They were like the most that guy,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 8: don't stop doing it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: And every and everyone.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 9: No, I'm just saying, like every one of them didn't
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: pan out.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's just difference between Joe Milton day three
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: and and Taekwon Thornton day two mm hm and.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: So hopefulntoning into the season, he made some catches and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: then he got hurt.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: We were never hopeful of coolsetering.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Never. Yeah, and I did.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: I mean I was not the most vocal opposer to
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 8: the Taekwon thought. And that would be Evan who wanted
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: to quit and he wasn't even working for us.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: I didn't help. Do you submit that clip lives online though?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: Before you hired me, Like f y, I.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: It's pre existing condition.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: It's not covered on it, sure, so not a lot
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: of milling around we're heading. It was like we're going
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: a little competitive maybe, right, yeah, maybe we can get
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of you know again once again.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: In past years by now, you would have had at
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: least one session of special teams.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: Right, So they did, they've been they did early on,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: but they're they're not. Actually they weren't putting any blockers
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: out there. They did the same thing yesterday. I thought
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: Bart was going to cry because he hasn't pulled out
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: his stopwatch yet to do any hangtimes or anything like that.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: And both of us could not remember our time on
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: the beat where the Patriots did so little special teams
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: like Bill Belichick practice.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 9: It's actually a huge check in the male category.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Everyone no special.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: The fact that we haven't seen any field goal kicking,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: any live punting, none of it, which is pretty wild.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: Yes, it was the most special teams that we've seen
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: so far.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: At least you can explain away the kickoffs by maybe
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: they're trying to hide what they're going to do schematically
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: with the new return rules. But like the punting in
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: the field goal kicking is is a real surprise.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 9: So it's going to be another full team period here.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: But it's Drake May with a a lot of a
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 8: lot of secondary guys, Wallace and pretty much an entire
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 8: secondary Baker going to defense.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, as a lot of different numbers out there.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 8: As close as he can get to the bottom of
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 8: the depth shot.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jabon Baker has a little Sorry, sorry, I didn't
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: mean to that insulting.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 8: Just I called them secondary players. You said as close
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 8: as you can get to the bottom of the battle.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: I think this day David is that David Wallas. Yeah,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 8: that's David Wallison.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know Brady was still here, he would be
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: that year's this year's like slot guy that everybody's.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 9: Like quick, good time. He's quick.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: I honestly, he was one of the guys that I
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: kind of underlined just when they had that rookie camp
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: and then they had.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: A bunch of tryouts. He just he's quick. He moves out.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: I forget where he went to school, A small school.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard of it, but but
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: he's he's got some quickness. Yeah, he looked very good there,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: very good. Drake Conna just arm angle a little little.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: Randolph Macone is that Virginia. I'm gonna guess that, Geldia. Yeah,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 8: Drake wanted a gun and there's this pressure.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 6: In his.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: See, I would rather if he's gonna pump like that,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 8: I'd rather him do what he just did. He just
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 8: scramble and get what you can all day, then the
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 8: reset flip off your back foot stough pick six.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe they coached him that way between now and that
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: last playboll Fred's got a lot of maybes going on too.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Have you noticed that?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'd just like to say, like, I think
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: everything Paul has said, and you know, being a little
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: critical of Polk start, I think everything Paul has said
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: is true. I just find it encouraging that going back
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: to Mini camp, you're looking at may throw it to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: Polk a lot. I mean, he just looks like he
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: has his eye out for him and you know they're
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: they're developing a little bit of chemistry.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I'd say, so they both have had some growing paints today.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: No question, it's not perfect, but you know, just going
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: back to the days of you know, all the receivers
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: that have been through here and they're just quiet, they
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: don't really get targeted. You don't even know if they're here,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: has been one that that gets a gets some action.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: I just caught a little quick out, a little toe tapper. Yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: I like those, the quick outs.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: Three that those timing routes, the two of them definitely
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: seem to be building up some chemistry, you know, the.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: Two the two plays that he had an opportunity to
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 8: sort of run routes, ate some space for himself today,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 8: I thought.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: And one of them was against Gonzales.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so I did like that, the fact that I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 8: saw at least a glimmer of him creating some separation.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: But I don't think anyone's going to sell it. He's
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: ever going to be a burner. But it's not fast enough.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: Is he fast enough?
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 8: That's that's why I thought, because I kind of thought
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: he was like, you know, a route runner, you know,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 8: less athlete, more tech, you know, technician Jerry Rice.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: But he's also I just I thought, oh.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 8: Hasty, that was a nice pass right there where you
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: can get right there to catch right there and nice
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: the middle of the field throw. I like May when
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: those when those work, they look very.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: That is the play that Drake May became the start.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: Three plays after the pick for what for what it's
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: worth he threw pick to Jude on. We talked a
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: lot about, you know, responding to adversity and how does
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: he bounced back and a couple of completions here in
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: this last elevens. I mean, Paul made a good point
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: that it was against some backup and things like that,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: but it didn't look like he he cratered after the interest.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 9: So let me ask you something. You know, Fred said,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: you know, maybe there was something he was coaching.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 8: Throw a Fred, maybe do you think maybe he got
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 8: those reps because of the way he ended the previous session.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Could we just want to get you out there. It's
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: not going to be with the start, you know, get.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 8: We don't want the last thing that you did to
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: be a pick to you know, or whatever same thing
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 8: Milton's getting right now. Yeah, I mean, I just wonder
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 8: if maybe he got a couple of extra reps against
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 8: backups because of the way he finished the previous I
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 4: It's interesting though it was only twelve thirty and I
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 4: think we're supposed to still have another half hour.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: That's some therapeutical coaching by Alex van Pel Get him
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: back on the get him back on the tracks on
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Field Therapy.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: See you see Milton was just uncorble. Here's just throwing
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: it out there. Fred's got it being facked all.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: That's what your show does.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and you make fun of my show.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Sort of the moody.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: Something.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: It's just fun to say sometimes, you know, there's words
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: just fun to say.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 8: Body booty by you.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Get booty in the buyo. But zooka. Joe's having a good,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: a good fun time today. Yeh, he's enjoying himself.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 9: I would say he's having a lot of fun.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: The guy did a backflip he did.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 9: I just like you have this advertise you have to.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 4: Be feeling good to do a backflip, or they're like
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: days like I'm feeling back like because I feel like
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: there's be certain days.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 8: I'm like, I just I can't. I can't backflip today.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: You think that I've ever contemplated that, That's what I
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 8: was trying to get to ball.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: I've never contemplated either. But I can't imagine that every
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: day you're you're feeling backflip worthy. Although Joe Milton might
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: look like you can uncourt that one.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: To hurt yourself. That was a great catch. What was that?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: That's Jake Quay Jackson Jackson, the ball was behind him.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 9: That's a couple of touch for him today.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: Though, interesting that someone wrote in about this number the
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: very beginning of the show and he's gotten a.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 7: Lot of countries today.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: That was that was a missile by it and miss
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: but he had to completely reach.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 8: No, I know it's chiropractical. I know, I like pulled
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 8: his body with him, but the ball just comes out
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 8: different he does. I mean his physical skills are events, yeah.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: Sharing yeah, I mean you just watch the the ball
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: on those drive throws, like I know, everybody gets caught
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: up in how far he can throw it, but it's
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: far more important him driving.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: The ball on the line through the middle of I
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: think virtually every quarterback in the league can throw the
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: ball roughly as far as you know, the same, like
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: within five yards. His will get there five minutes before everybody.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 8: That's the difference, yep, from back to pass like that,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: just like it goes from his hand fifteen yards in
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: a like a millisecond, and.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: It doesn't give the defense a chance to break. Is
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: that eighty eight?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: No, Unfortunately he doesn't complete enough of those passes.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean but.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: Today, I gotta be fair.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: He's had a good couple of days. I mean today
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: fled by Joe Milton. Could you, mystery remind get to
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of the team that I can do that
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: you can't. I'd drake next summer is like, you know,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: I gonna say, yay.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 8: You know you think he's going to spend the whole
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 8: off season practicing backflips.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I'm good with him now he has done that with
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick the head coach. I don't know. We saw
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Jamie Collins do some backflips.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: It's amazing. I'm all these things happened. They actually did
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: happen when Bill was here.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: That's true about this backflip stuff.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: I don't know what that's I don't know how much
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 9: you get out of that.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Is that work? Is that worth a third down stop
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: and getting off the field.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: Why don't you put like bread bags on everybody came
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 8: out with bread bags on his hands because he just
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 8: had a manicure or something like.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. That's what people were saying. Remember
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: when he was on the plane with a mask the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: whole time? Really what like like before it was stylish? No, no,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: not not a I'm talking about a Halloween man. Really. Oh,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: it's really weird.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: Scarc always seemed to me like the beat of his
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: own drum.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 9: But how the guys seem to really like him.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: We're talking about right now, Yamy him him.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: You know what, I talked to him about Mayo when
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: I read that story and she was a totally different guy.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: And I joked with him about it. I was like,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: if you had given us answers like this when you
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: were here and didn't duck us all the time. And
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: he was like, yeah, you know, I just as Bill, like,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: you know, I just wanted to follow the rules and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: you know, not not overstep or anything like that. But
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: he's actually a very personable guy when when you talk
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: to him.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: All right now we're front line players, always got front
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: line guys, and Anthony Jennings.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 8: Is out there just for those keeping track with.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: We're walking through and we're walking let him catch you.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so they it was it's they were winding it
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 9: down and now we're doing that.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: Little walkthrough here throw you're supposed to complete that. Come on,
• 1:52:58
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  Speaker 1: All right, back here at practice, Patriots practicing a little
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  Speaker 1: field goal right now. Who's that Rylan?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 9: No, that's uh oh, that was Rylan.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's Rylan. Yeah. Okay, thirty seven first first time,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: first time we see the field goal unit out there.
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  Speaker 1: How's he been doing so far? Making them all? I
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: think he made the first one that I just saw.
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  Speaker 1: Was that the first one? Guy? The second one? I
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: make them both? I think I think I've got both makes.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: I got thirty from the left past both made, and
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: then I had thirty from the middle, thirty five from
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: the middle hash made.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: That's uh, well, look good, Jeremy spring of the new offensive.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, special teams coordinators. Got a big wide brim
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: hat out there. A lot of energy from him. He's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: one of those high energy special coordinators. Yep, how you doing?
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: All right? No on, it's just about thirty eight, I
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: guess thirty eight.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, thirty eight yards, pad Ryland, h let's see anybody,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 13: no reaction, no reaction.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: I honestly could not tell you Duggart was given help.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 9: I can't tell.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you. Gotta wait till they know it
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: all time. It looks straight, looks straighten up, and they
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: should have somebody under there giving you the signal. Snap down,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: kick balls on its way. The Patriots are Super Bowl champions.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: That one might have looked like high. They high fived
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: after they did. All right, I'll give it. I don't know.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but if I had
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: this guest, I missed that one. All right, forty left hash.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Now from forty Patriots down by two. We're in Buffalo,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: slight breeze, left to right, snap hole kick, it's up.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: It's good, it's good. Yeah.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 9: I mean they're slapping five.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: After every kah. It's okay, you'll get the next one.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: I can only assume that. I know that's a dangerous
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: assumption to make.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, you got that. That's what'll do.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: Some encouragement, like we're just trying to get to snap
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 8: hold right, you know, Foxboro high. All right, sir, Now
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: we're going Joey slide forty left hand.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: That looked pretty good to me. That looked good.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I don't think anybody.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: Has missed one. But I just I'm just basing it
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 8: on body language. After they kick, all right, they're slapping
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 8: five with the holder and when jogging and that might
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 8: be it. We're sitting at an angle. Yeah, team's coming in.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: What if he says, good third day today, Fred? Is
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: that all right with you? It's not really the third days,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: well for a lot of them, it is.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 9: For who a lot of the players it's their third day.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: Really, they weren't here for a mini camp or anything
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: like that. Oh, we're not counting. We're counting mini camps
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: because we're told that they stack these things. I mean,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: is that Mapo man? I don't know.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 8: He's kind of like I'm moving weird.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: He's just like walking over to the huddle, but it
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: was like speed walk. I looked like he didn't want to.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: It seemed like he might be dealing with something lower body.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 9: His mao doing the talking in there.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: Let me see, yes, yes, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 4: Day off tomorrow now, so is it a day off
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  Speaker 4: for the team or are they do they still have
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 4: work to do?
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  Speaker 8: Believe the players on the list Waiter's day off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they have to.
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  Speaker 9: I believe they mandated one out of every five days.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so with three onward, three off them? Will U Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I said, well I did. Technically, I think Tuesday counts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they've been four. Yeah, they probably like did the
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: testing and stuff conditioning test.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but this five day acclimate reacclimation period, it is
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 5: required that they.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 8: Take a And that's what led to the confusion with
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 8: Mayo calling it's seven practices as opposed to seven days.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: Right, be fair to Mayo. It's confusing. I've read it
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: in the CBA.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 9: I say the same thing every year.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 5: It's the wording, like you, I need like just to
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: translate it, like I need a lawyer to like really spell.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: Out what they're trying to say, because lawyers.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're confusing, Like it's just confusing wording.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Hey, do you guys think they'll still do the the
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: Rookie Olympics with the water? Oh? I don't know. That's
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: a good good question. Or will they come up with
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: something new? Right? Are posing for a picture here.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 13: What's going on? I don't know.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: They're meeting in their position groups.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: Offensive line, yeah, receivers, Cardona says, yeah, I don't need
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: to do any of that.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: The life of a long snapper.
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  Speaker 7: It looks like they're done.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen, it's been great. We're not going
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: to do a post player interview because Jacoby Brissett is
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: scheduled to talk and he is the starting quarterback of
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: the New Patriots at the moment, and whenever the starting
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: quarterback talks, we cover that live.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all of them are speaking though, So come back
• 2:01:31
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• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: Right, but we will have Jacoby Brissett live when that happens, so, uh,
• 2:01:36
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