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Har HaBais, Third Beit HaMikdash, and How Far Can We Go For Mitzvos? | Rabbi Avi Grossman | ITVOG 10 · In the Valley of Giants

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  In this episode of Grossman, one of the things that we discussed
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  is, is there this idea that because of Sakana that there's a
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  missile that we just don't do anymore?
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  He wanted to tie now that there is no such thing.
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  And I wanted to say that there could be such a thing.
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  And I didn't look deeply into the topic, but one, one example
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  did come to mind. And I want to just mention that
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  here because he was asking me for examples, if I remember
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  correctly, in the Gemara Inksubas and Dakkuf Yur Ahmed
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  Bays Tosos over there and Devir Maskel, who O moralos, brings up
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  the idea of the mitzvah of eretisrall and why we don't do
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  it. Robinucheim Cohen over there
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  says the reason is because there's so many mitzvah to lose
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  Barretts. And therefore this is we don't
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  do the mitzvah of eretisrall because we're going to do a lot
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  of averas with people to be Ola Deretiserall.
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  It's very problematic. Robinucheim Cohen.
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  This is what is printed in Tosvas.
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  This is an interesting opinion. The first thing that's brought
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  there, I think it could be interpreted very easily as the
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  reason why there's no mitzvah issue.
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  Verity straw was monazan because Aaliyah to Aristotle is very
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  dangerous because of sakana straw.
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  And you can look over there. That would be an example of a
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  precedent of an idea that there are certain mitzvahs that we
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  don't do because of the sakana that's involved.
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  Therefore, if it is indeed a mitzvah to go up to higher bias,
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  but going up to higher bias would cause some sort of sakana
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  so. Maybe that's not the best idea,
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  just an idea to bring out the deal with a particular Mccor.
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  I know that that was addressed and here is a possible Mccor.
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  Enjoy. OK Rabbi Grossman, thank you so
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  much for joining us today on the show.
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  I'm just going to introduce you a little bit to our viewers.
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  So Rabbi Grossman is the director of Total Master Program
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  issue remote and usual AIM and a senior editor of the Science
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  Center Tanakh Publication project.
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  Rabbi Grossman holds ABS in psychology from Queen's College
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  of the City, University of New York and MBA from Jct. the
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  Jerusalem College of Technology in Israel, and a teacher's
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  certificate from the David Yellen Academic College of
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  Education. And usual I am and holds a
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  rabbinic coordination from BNT and from ABBA Brownspiegel as
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  well as, if I'm not mistaken, you also an associate rabbi of
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  Mahone Chilo. Yeah, I get that right.
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  Some of those things are already in the past together.
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  The I guess the resume is is correct.
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  By the way, BMT is not is not a reference to the classic post
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  high school to Shiva BMT, which used to be at the gross coral.
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  It's a base managers that's all but in Queens so.
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  Now I got you. Now I got you.
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  OK, You're back. You're back.
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  You're back. You're.
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  Back. You're good.
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  Yeah. Orlando College, you know, Yeah.
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  Orlando College. OK, OK, OK.
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  Got it. Got it.
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  Yeah. OK, well, one second.
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  Yeah, you're good. You're OK you're fine.
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  I think you're just connections a little bit weak.
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  We can keep going. It's fine.
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  OK. So one of the things that I
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  wanted to discuss, number one, I heard a rumor, which is that you
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  have something from the base of Mcdush in your house.
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  Just #1 is that true that I have to know?
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  Yes, it's true. OK.
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  What can you explain a little bit about that?
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  Yes, I I was actually talking about the system of the my
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  students just last month. Have you been to horror about
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  this before? OK, so this is already a rough
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  discussion I found in the literature.
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  If you go to higher bias rubble from basically the base on
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  English antiquities are still there, especially on the east
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  side. The Jews haven't gotten around
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  to fixing up the place since the destruction of the base on
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  English. I mean, it was it was what
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  happened in the time of in in time of our cocoa when they
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  started building the new edifice.
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  And apparently the floor of the current floor of our bias, part
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  of it dates to them. But there there's still a lot of
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  rubble apparently from mostly the second temple and even some
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  first temple antiquities on horror bias.
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  Now if you look there, there's some actually quite large
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  pieces, some certain marble pillars are still there.
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  Of course, they're lying on their sides.
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  The capitals have all been arranged nicely on the South
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  side adjacent to the AL Aqsa Mosque, but other pieces of fine
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  marble are scattered about the mostly east side of the Temple
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  Mount. And we've probably heard that in
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  the last 20 years. I remember hearing about this in
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  20 years there. The rocks has been busy taking
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  out large quantities and antiquities that they dig out
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  various places of the temple map and just dumping them in the
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  kitchen Valley. People like archaeologists and
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  others have actually been sifting through and finding all
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  sorts of pieces of obvious base of Mactus antiquity.
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  So you can still find pieces of nice marble.
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  Yeah. So how do you know it's from the
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  base of Mactus? Because it's nice marble and
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  it's fragmented. The history books and the Talmud
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  report held Herod made the outer facade of the Second Temple at a
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  very fine marble. And nowadays pieces of that
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  marble are still visible on the Temple Mount.
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  And you can even pick one up sometimes.
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  And if you're, if you're lucky enough not to get accosted by
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  the police, you can actually walk, walk home with it.
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  And that's what we did. Just a little piece of marble
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  from the Temple. Aren't isn't is it on the Temple
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  Mount proper? Aren't you standing on top of
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  meters and meters and meters of of rubble that's been basically
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  patted down and then you have St. level.
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  How do you have that coming up? With the ground that that is the
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  the a lot of the Old City of Jerusalem is like that.
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  Actually, let's say the the New Jerusalem stone pavement of the
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  old cities are relatively new. As a matter of fact, there's
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  certain places they just did in the last few years.
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  You can imagine that in the olden days, they they weren't
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  doing this even in old Yusuf times.
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  And there's times leading up to the founding, the the founding
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  of the state of Israel. They weren't paving the streets
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  of old Jerusalem to Jerusalem stone.
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  So yes, it's true. There's just layers of rubble
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  and just build on top. That's been the the way of the
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  world, at least the way of Israel for the last few thousand
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  years. But there are places on the
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  Temple Mount where indeed they have repaved it with nice
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  Jerusalem stone, some of it as recently in, like, the last five
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  years. But there's still piles of
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  rubble, just pushed aside by bulldozers and things on the
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  east side. So it's still exposed.
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  Yeah. It's actually quite interesting.
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  I remember. Go.
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  There and just pluck something. Yeah, well, have you been there
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  before? No, not on.
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  Oh really been on hard bias? No.
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  Wait, you're Jewish, right? I am Jewish.
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  It's very surprising how a lot of Jews haven't haven't gone
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  there. I think it's a big scam,
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  actually quite successful scam. However, I think the Miller
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  attributes the scam to you haven't been to VAT and those
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  who carried on his legacy to try to convince good firm Jews that
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  they should not be going to the base of Macdosh.
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  So this is there's nothing new in the other slum.
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  There, there, there. But there is no base on macdosh.
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  It's not there anymore. Well, that is true.
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  And you're saying that with a little bit of a smart.
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  But as you know, many of the commandments concerning the base
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  of Mikdash still apply today, and none other than the Rambam,
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  following the Talmud, refers to the base of Mikdash as the base
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  of Mikdash even in its state of destruction.
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  And he says that explicitly in his halafas.
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  He actually said, if you've been following me, I made available
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  online a resource which was started by Rabbi Yitzhak friend,
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  the Brisa Yitzhak, Rabbi Yitzhak friend of Imaniwel.
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  He's one of the leading rabbis on harbais.
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  He's there on a quite regular basis.
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  He's he's quite brilliant. And he points out that in the
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  Talmud, because I'll refer to all of Harabis as the base of
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  Mickdush and and the Rambam follows suit.
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  OK, well, hold on. Let's let's let's take a step
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  back so I can understand. OK, So the base of Mikdash, the
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  fact that it's referred to the Mukama Mikdash is base of
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  Mikdash. That's that's not what I'm just,
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  I was smirking at. And I didn't mean to mean that
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  in a, in a particularly negative way either.
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  It was more confusion. No, no, I was, I was thinking
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  you're doing it. I wouldn't think it is any
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  negative, anything negative about that.
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  I I assume that what we're in the know.
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  What mitzvus? What mitzvus other than maybe
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  Corbin Pesach? I mean what What's what's what's
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  shy that we still have to the Muklomi Mikdash even though the
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  base of Mikdash is not there anymore?
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  What? What are you saying to?
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  If you'd open up the safe rock, you know, if he's very, very
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  good at pointing out what's what's was applying, right,
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  right. That's the safe rocket.
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  Of course he will say at the end of the particular myth, it says
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  this mitzvah applies to men and women.
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  Maybe I've heard them also. And I'll say does not a bias or
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  a little bit fair bias or, you know, depending the the Rambam
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  has a safer walk home where he actually disagrees a lot with
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  the Helix. First of all, in the Helix
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  numbering, you know, the Rambam has a different way of his
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  systemization of the commandments.
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  I say what I say he has a entire entirely different list.
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  But then every reshion works with his self has a list of his
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  own and they disagree on the fine points.
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  But he also points out Obama very, very I don't want to use
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  the I want to spay this property in English.
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  You would say that she was she's very medoctic.
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  OK, he says it very exact. He's very precise in his
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  language. The Robin will tell you what
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  Mrs. actually applied on the base of Mcvitish's standing,
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  which which do not He'll for example, tell you very
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  explicitly the commandments to donate half a shackle of silver
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  towards the public sacrifices on an annual basis does not apply
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  when the temple is not standing. So to to bring the Korean or to
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  bring Masar Shani, the second tie to Jerusalem Edu.
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  However, the sacrificial service still applies even when the
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  temple is not standing. Why?
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  Because you're supposed to rebuild in his back any day of
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  the year you're supposed to and offer sacrifice.
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  And that's why he never had a hover me know that we we would
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  ever go a year without trying to offer Corbin Pestach.
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  He says we bring all the Corbunnels today, even though
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  the temple is not standing. And by the way, apparently
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  history reflects this. Even after the temple was
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  destroyed, there were Jews who came back to Harabias in various
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  times and rebuilt the altar. And they still Kohana, they
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  still a big the kahuna. And they went ahead with these
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  major sacrifices, occasionally public sacrifices.
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  And Corbin Pesoff, when Barkospa took over, it was assumed he he
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  he didn't have a haramiya not to try to rebuild the basmikos.
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  And that's why he and his Jewish followers got to work on
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  rebuilding the base of Mikdush. That is why at various times in
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  history, your history book, Jews always tried to actualize these
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  aspirations whenever they had a chance, try to get a movement to
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  rebuild the base of Mikdush. The modern era, specifically the
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  20th century Luminianom, is perhaps the first time in Jewish
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  history when the Jews were presented with an opportunity
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  moving forward towards, let's say, something sacrificial.
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  And they did not, by and large, take those steps, or at least
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  the official Jewish Power again. I want to go at least for
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  myself. Let's go a little slower.
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  So the scam that you're referring to, that it's a big
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  scam that Jews aren't going to the to the base of Mikdosh.
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  So what, what for what reasons? What were you referring to?
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  Because we need to build it. It's a scam that people aren't
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  going because really, Jews would be.
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  Really. Is that?
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  What you're referring to we're talking about.
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  Yes. We're talking about carbonas,
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  both all of the above. Everything, all the above.
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  The Jews are supposed to build the temple.
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  There's a commandment to offer one lamb in the morning, 1 lamb
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  in the afternoon every single day.
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  If you miss it, our rise mono about Tel Corbeno.
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  But we still cannot shirk this responsibility.
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  We have a a great response. That's the mitzvah.
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  And the mitzvah being on Mitkush always applies.
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  And the Rama says, what if the Mitkush is built?
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  So it means upkeeping the base of Mitkush and improving the
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  base of Mitdush. Once in the spirit of
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  destruction, there's a commandment upon the community
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  to build the base of Mitkush, and we are ignoring that
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  commandment. Yeah, that's going to start one
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  second. One second, so we can split that
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  into two. One is the Binion and Mikdash
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  and then one is bringing carbonos.
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  Can we say that those are two separate things?
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  OK, so what's what's your? Best.
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  But let's so let's just say in terms of Binion and Mikdash, I
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  mean, that's not such an easy discussion because the Fetosis
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  and DMA, you know, they don't believe or it doesn't seem from
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  Riata that that building the base of Mikdash is something
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  that we're going to do with their own two hands, right?
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  And there were many other Vishoni Ashkanov.
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  To. Feel the same?
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  Right. So would you agree to that?
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  OK, so. Then I would agree that such an
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  idea that remember, Bahim has addressed an idea on many
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  occasions and pointed out that it used to be everybody assumed
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  that we'd have to try to build a basin like this eventually.
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  An idea that Rashi floated that Rashi disagreed with when he was
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  talking actual practice. An idea that Rashi floated, that
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  there will be a heavenly basin like this that somehow falls out
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  of the sky already to use, became almost a default position
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  in Judaism because we were so pathetic.
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  I'm not so on the bed way. We were so downtrodden.
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  We had such a long Gullison. Nothing's improving.
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  It must take some supernatural miracle to get things actually
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  going. But many, many of you showed
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  them. Never had such a Hovem, you
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  know? And it's been pointed out by
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  many scholars that it's a mix of the Torah.
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  There's no such thing as God taking away the mitzvah from us
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  and making the fall out of heaven.
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  You don't assume that Would you live in Eswal before out of
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  heaven? Even Messiah is going to fall
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  out of heaven. Would you, would you admit that
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  it seems like, for example, if I remember correctly, Tosos and
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  Suka seems to make it sound like there's not going to be a
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  Binion, there's going to be a nace that's going to come from
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  Shamayim, and that's pretty much it.
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  Do you do you admit that Ulufi's certain Rishoni Ashkenaz they
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  would be saying no one should be waiting for the Bismic this to
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  fall from Shamayim? Or do you disagree with that
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  point? I might, I might disagree.
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  I would say that they, they, they saw something so
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  impossible, it must be that way. But they would not, let's say,
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  ever be opposed to a Jewish national movement in the land of
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  Israel saying, you know what, we have political power, we have
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  the means, we have the money. We are not going to build a base
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  and make this because we are specifically going to wait for
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  it to fall out of display. Such a thing never, never
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  occurred to them. It was similar to the in
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  gathering of the Exiles. It really, how does the
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  gathering of the Exiles take place?
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  How has it taken place? How many times in history the
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  Jews pick themselves up and get there, you know, by by walking
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  or getting on their donkeys or their carriages or airplanes,
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  whatever it might be. If Jews started believing that
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  they would be miraculous on ego's wings, almost literally,
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  and gathering the Exiles, and then they would stay in the
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  exile when time came and they got an airplane or a boat or
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  whatever to take them back, and they say no, now we're going to
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  wait for some sort of miraculous teleportation device or a cloud
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  to take us, then that would be foolish.
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  OK, that that's not what the Tosa, FIS or any of you Shoni
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  Ashkenaz ever. Believed Grossman.
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  I I understand what you're saying.
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  Well, I will note that I do find it somewhat odd that if you
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  learn certain Rishoni Ashkenaz that they don't really mention
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  and and you know, a possibility of opinion.
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  But but I understand your position and and I'm I'm not
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  saying it's wrong at all. It it it just does seem a bit
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  weird, but I'm open to that. I'm I'm open to all of that.
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  I do think push up shot. If you just look through the
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  basic Kumaras it, it does really seem that that the fumiate the
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  push up shadows that we're supposed to be building it with
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  their own two hands. So but I just wanted to kind of
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  parse that a little bit to see where you're going or where you
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  were rather where you are rather.
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  OK, But now the second thing is let's talk about carbonos on the
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  base of Mikdosh. OK, so that that that's a little
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  bit harder for me to swallow as a scam because correct me, I
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  feel like there's a lot of halakhic fear.
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  There's a lot of halakhic fear of the base of Mikdosh and the
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  Malcolm of Mikdosh. How do we know that all the
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  places that we're going are places that are not going to
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  make us be over some sort of is or a transgression about being
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  on higher bias? OK.
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  So you want to talk about where to go on how about us or how how
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  you know is there a lot there? I am not.
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  In order, in order in order to say that there's a scam and that
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  there's something negative occurring and in these in Yan,
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  I'm not, I'm not claiming to be very knowledgeable, but in order
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  to establish such a fact, you have to say that there is
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  something that we know and people are not doing it and that
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  makes it improper, that makes it a scam.
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  So I'm saying what about the US being discouraged because of
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  possibly serum then going up to Harabasi?
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  So certainly. Don't have mitzvah?
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  I I'll begin with a little bit of history because I call this a
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  scam and I've dated it to the first temple times.
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  You you know Tanakh I hope and you know about Raham bin Nazar
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  Jeroboam who became a rival king to the Davidic dynasty.
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  Perhaps he can by by God's own approval.
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  Yeah that's also my focus and to be shown him and perhaps he can
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  cause out how to understand you of his appointment.
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  Was it to be Avadh without you up you can serve legitimate or
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  just was it was he actually reappointing him like he like
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  the way other kings were appointed like anointed or was
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  he just saying statement the fact that you're going to lead
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  to rebellion. But I'm not necessarily in favor
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  of such a thing. OK.
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  I think that the fact that, yeah, she won't even even give
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  him a little bit of an ointment with some parsimony oil, you
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  know, Sherman of parsimony instead of Sherman of Mishra,
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  indicates that he wasn't so legitimate in in that sense or
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  he wasn't meant to be. But that that that's that's not
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  beyond the point here right now. You love him.
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  Certainly his idea in order to maintain political power was to
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  convince his subjects obviously all that they should not be
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  attempting the temple, correct? That was his idea, even though
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  they had a misfit at the time. They're based on the official
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  standing, as a matter of fact. And again, he's been standing
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  for 40 years when he came up with this idea that in order to
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  hold on political on to political power, he is, he was
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  going to both prohibit Ali Orega basically at any time, not even
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  on the holidays, but especially on the holidays, and to create
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  rival places of worship, pilgrimage and sacrifice.
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  That is what he did. And that as a public policy was
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  backed up by pseudo halakhik arguments and endorsements.
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  This is a Gomar and Sanhedrin. There's a lot of Madrash about
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  this. And this is quite a few chapters
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  of our history, Akrotesh. So this is undeniable part of,
• 17:25
  you know, our, our Jewish history and understanding.
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  I think in the middle, like I said, like to write about this.
• 17:28
  I was just telling someone he wrote about this himself and
• 17:31
  pointed out how for a few 100 years this was the policy, the
• 17:35
  Allahic policy of a Rosh Sanhedrin.
• 17:38
  And if you have people 200 years later after you love them,
• 17:41
  saying you're not supposed to go to that based on make this in
• 17:43
  Jerusalem. You're supposed to instead
• 17:45
  instead bring your sacrifice to Don or Bethel.
• 17:48
  Then he would be following established halohic sock much
• 17:53
  like nowadays we follow halohic sock.
• 17:56
  I didn't. I don't think you ever think
• 17:57
  you'd ever appreciate the irony of that because the Ushalmi
• 18:00
  points out that this is an idea or a tactic used by various
• 18:06
  authorities. Even during the Second Temple
• 18:08
  times, there were times when for whatever reason, the Jewish or
• 18:12
  non Jewish by the Jewish acting as non Jewish authorities
• 18:15
  prevented Jews from going to the basement.
• 18:18
  Probably familiar with the Medridge just to bring wood the
• 18:21
  most basic sacrifice 7 days and even the land it's keeping the
• 18:24
  fire going on the on the bath right?
• 18:26
  You have to bring wood for that. How would they smuggle wood to
• 18:29
  the base to make this? They have enough of wood to burn
• 18:30
  on the altar. So they brought, Caitlin, gives
• 18:33
  an example of large wooden ladder.
• 18:35
  The ladder's good. It has a lot of wood, OK, a lot
• 18:38
  of different pieces. And they would smuggle ladders,
• 18:40
  saying to the authorities, we're just going South towards
• 18:43
  Jerusalem with this ladder because we need to wear a
• 18:45
  bedstead. And then they'd get to the
• 18:47
  temple and they'd take apart this plea and they'd use it on
• 18:50
  the altar. So the fact that political
• 18:53
  bodies would want to prevent people from going to the base
• 18:55
  and make this an order to hold on to their pseudo religious and
• 18:59
  political power is nothing new in history.
• 19:02
  And that is what the Curry Israeli regime does one. 2nd But
• 19:06
  I didn't ask anything political. I, I, I, I brought a whole lot
• 19:09
  of concern. That was my question.
• 19:10
  So here's here's here's here's here's my point.
• 19:13
  I'll I'll, I'll get to that whole lot of concern.
• 19:15
  There are perhaps issues with going certain places in hard
• 19:19
  bias if the person were to step into the Azara and he's in
• 19:22
  certain forms of impurity. He is high of curries.
• 19:25
  That is true. And there are strict biblical
• 19:28
  and rabbinic prohibitions for various people to go on to
• 19:31
  various parts of higher bias, which is explicit in the
• 19:33
  mission. However, it's also clear that
• 19:36
  you are supposed to go to certain places.
• 19:38
  It is very clear from elementary study of the sources and the
• 19:42
  facts on the ground of higher bias that where people, for
• 19:45
  example, walk today is nowhere near the Azhar.
• 19:48
  We have a tradition, a positive Jewish tradition, that the
• 19:51
  Evanasha is that which is underneath the Dome of the Rock.
• 19:55
  It's also been pointed out that the Dome of the Rock is the
• 19:58
  highest point on the Temple Mount.
• 19:59
  It juts above the floor of the central platform, Temple Mount
• 20:03
  by 5 to few inches. So it's unmistakable.
• 20:07
  It's always been there. This is our living tradition.
• 20:09
  Rabbi Wilson, by the way, who is the leading rabbi in horror
• 20:12
  bias, because he's the one who's there and he's put in all the
• 20:14
  effort and he's done all the scholarship about this.
• 20:16
  And I recommend you can speak to him, if you can, has pointed out
• 20:19
  most recently that they know so much about what's going on
• 20:22
  there. And he's gotten students to
• 20:24
  actually view the Dorm of the Rock because they're a part of
• 20:26
  the security forces who are in charge there, Jewish policemen,
• 20:30
  riot police, and some soldiers who have been in the Dorm of the
• 20:33
  Rock and have been taking photographs and measuring these
• 20:35
  things. So they know to quite a lot of
• 20:37
  precision which part of the the rock, Under the Dome of the Rock
• 20:41
  was the part under the holy, under the holy of Holies.
• 20:44
  And therefore they can precisely find the Mukul Musbah, for
• 20:48
  example, to a much greater degree of accuracy, let's say
• 20:53
  Rabbi Rabbi Koran and Rabbi Koran did during their times.
• 20:57
  OK, So we know that where where these things are.
• 21:00
  We know where the Azara is. And there's no chance of people
• 21:03
  getting near the Azara when they would want to stay out of the
• 21:06
  Azara. That's where the problem area
• 21:07
  is. Abduraba, you want to know where
• 21:09
  the Azara is because you have to offer sacrifice there.
• 21:11
  You have to build a Mesbaoc in the proper part of the Azara.
• 21:14
  And the fact is that the Mesbach was huge, 32 by 32, obvious at
• 21:18
  its base. You know how big that is.
• 21:20
  If you think in feet or you think in meters, that's a large
• 21:22
  area. Mesbach in the future, did you
• 21:25
  have odd? If you can't do it could be
• 21:27
  anywhere as long as it's the minimum size like it wasn't.
• 21:31
  Maybe we don't know your answers that we know.
• 21:32
  So in other words. Yeah, 100%.
• 21:35
  People do know. If I did a deep dive in
• 21:36
  different the different archaeological opinions over the
• 21:39
  last 150 years, I'm going to find a tremendous census.
• 21:42
  You don't even have to do archaeology.
• 21:43
  You don't have to dig anything up yet.
• 21:44
  I'm sure if you don't, you get even a better sense.
• 21:46
  But from just what's there, you can get a very good sense within
• 21:51
  a few inches of where everything is supposed to be.
• 21:53
  And they keep the Jews away from those places anyways, so you're
• 21:56
  not going to be getting trouble going there.
• 21:57
  Again, again, again in terms in terms of how in terms of using
• 22:00
  Jewish sources to know where things are, it's difficult
• 22:03
  because we don't really have a lot of Texas that's talking
• 22:05
  about higher bias in the way that it is right now.
• 22:07
  So I'm saying because of the experiences that you're, I think
• 22:11
  so, I mean, according to the experience.
• 22:14
  Well, so maybe you can enlighten me, but before that, so then
• 22:16
  you'll enlighten me in a moment. But in terms of the in terms of
• 22:20
  the secular sources that are out there that are going to map out
• 22:23
  higher bias, you're telling me that there's going to be
• 22:25
  tremendous amount of overlap. There's not going to be a lot of
• 22:28
  disagreements in terms of the location of different structures
• 22:31
  that were on higher bias previously.
• 22:32
  It's going to be easy. I'm not going to find a lot of.
• 22:35
  Lot of. Discrepancy there.
• 22:38
  Is this what you're claiming? Yeah.
• 22:41
  OK. And Hello.
• 22:44
  Well, OK, so that I mean, that's important.
• 22:46
  But if that's indeed true, then yeah, I mean, if if we can tell
• 22:49
  with our own eyes, plus the archaeological evidence of
• 22:51
  people studying over the last 100 years seems to say the same
• 22:53
  thing, that's a pretty good indication halachically.
• 22:56
  I think you say that it's very easy to know that that's that's
• 22:59
  again interesting to me. I find it that if, if we could
• 23:02
  really halachically establish with ease where everything is in
• 23:04
  higher bias, I would imagine that the big ribbonum of this
• 23:07
  generation and the last generation and the two
• 23:09
  generations before that would be writing about the relevant areas
• 23:11
  to go to horror bias and be careful not to go irregardless
• 23:15
  of the, you know, social political climate.
• 23:19
  OK, well, I I think they have and I think that people have
• 23:21
  just not been listening. Are hard enough, you know, You
• 23:23
  know that's Kayla's right. You'll take a mushroom and a
• 23:25
  devil doorman, right? You know, you know about the
• 23:28
  modern gates. Kayla's right.
• 23:30
  I do. OK, I, I, I actually wanted to
• 23:33
  show you something over here. Share screen.
• 23:34
  Have you heard of the adoption curve?
• 23:37
  No. OK, So if you allow me to share
• 23:40
  my screen and I could do that actually, normally I can here
• 23:43
  share screen. Look at this.
• 23:44
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna share something on my screen, just so
• 23:46
  you know. OK.
• 23:48
  Those those were those who are not new to to my stick know what
• 23:51
  this is. First of all, I I put some here
• 23:54
  the adoption curve. This is with technology, but
• 23:57
  this also is with anything in Judaism.
• 23:59
  We are Ansheh orif we are stubborn.
• 24:02
  OK, and you heard like the classroom.
• 24:05
  So for class that Kardashe Asir, no matter orif it's new, must be
• 24:08
  usser. Now, of course, the problem is
• 24:11
  we run together that which is new, like Reform Judaism and
• 24:14
  Bible criticism with let's say Habesh Yamuna Kukadem means
• 24:18
  let's go back to the make things work.
• 24:20
  For example, settling the land of Israel.
• 24:22
  When it came to settling the land of Israel and perhaps even
• 24:24
  building a Jewish state, let's say 100 years ago, you were
• 24:27
  still up to the, the innovators, OK, the, the, the minority of
• 24:32
  people. This is population. the Y of
• 24:34
  this graph is percent of the population and the X is how fast
• 24:39
  people are to adopt it. I would actually make this the
• 24:42
  the other way. The early adopters are here,
• 24:44
  right? Right at the beginning.
• 24:45
  These are the innovators, the one who started and then the
• 24:47
  early adopters. Then we have the early majority,
• 24:48
  late majority of people catching on.
• 24:50
  So nowadays if someone would say, you know, I think I should
• 24:53
  live in Israel, someone going to give you an argument.
• 24:55
  No, you have to stay in Chris Lawrence.
• 24:57
  I don't know if anybody seriously would would say that
• 25:00
  anymore. I don't know if any would.
• 25:01
  You probably have to find a really extremist Orthodox Jewish
• 25:06
  educational institution and educators who we tell you no,
• 25:09
  that that it's forbidden to live in the land of Israel.
• 25:12
  They'd be the laggards in this case of adopting that.
• 25:15
  With regards to Kalis, we're somewhere over here.
• 25:18
  The early majority. It turns out that people really
• 25:22
  tried hard to find what the chorus was, especially with
• 25:25
  Herzog, and they found, they found what what could be.
• 25:29
  They found what could be. It's chorus, and there's a lot
• 25:31
  of reasons to assume that the Halafa that it is, even if
• 25:35
  you're not so certain, like Schechter says, you know, it's a
• 25:38
  mystery. It's it's so blue.
• 25:40
  And there were those more and more who put it on.
• 25:42
  And now it turns out that pictures are surfacing that even
• 25:45
  while they Sternbach and while they haimpinch Scheinberg were
• 25:48
  actually wearing trailers before they well, well, Scheinberg
• 25:51
  before they passed away more Stormbach even now.
• 25:53
  So these things actually catch on and it's just a thing of,
• 25:56
  well, I don't want to be different.
• 25:57
  I don't want to be seen as one of those innovators or early
• 25:59
  adopters. But everybody knows nowadays
• 26:02
  that's a pretty safe bet to wear tailors, at least the home row,
• 26:05
  that you should do so too with this whole hard bias issue right
• 26:09
  there. There is no halachic mechanism
• 26:10
  that ever prohibited it. You're not going to find a
• 26:12
  Rambam or a Shilfudar or any Talmudic statement that tells
• 26:16
  you ever since the destruction of the Temple, you're not
• 26:18
  allowed to go back to harbais and goblin there.
• 26:20
  The history indicates that Jews were always there.
• 26:22
  The bombais about going there because some wrote about going
• 26:24
  there. We know when in history Jews
• 26:26
  stopped going wrong because the gentiles imposed it on them.
• 26:29
  And now Jews are starting to go back and the pendulum is
• 26:32
  beginning to spraying and we're now in the early adopters phase.
• 26:35
  And God willing, if we don't move fast enough, we build your,
• 26:38
  there's some sort of miracle, messianic type of miracle.
• 26:42
  And maybe in 40 years we'll be in the late majority and more
• 26:44
  people are going to be going. So if you tell me that no gobble
• 26:48
  goes there, that's no true spots man's fallacy.
• 26:50
  I hope you know what that is. But they're arguably who have
• 26:53
  gone to our bias and have constantly advocated for doing
• 26:56
  so. The Chief Rabbi himself
• 26:58
  acknowledges a few years ago that they always discussed it in
• 27:01
  the within a council. The the Chief Rabbi himself
• 27:04
  hasn't and his brother, the former chief Rabbi have an
• 27:07
  opposition that is borderline irrational and more like it
• 27:11
  doesn't matter. They wrote to rather, you know,
• 27:12
  I don't care how many holistic proofs are going to bring to me.
• 27:15
  It still has to be user and so there and stop talking about it.
• 27:18
  So there are you know, this is something that we assume I, by
• 27:21
  the way, did not come up with this idea that tester to go to
• 27:24
  horror bias. I was taught early in yeshiva
• 27:26
  that it's technically permissible and it's just we
• 27:29
  don't go there. It's they don't let you go.
• 27:31
  It's a political thing. But the first chance I got, I
• 27:34
  went to horror bias because they told me I actually can go.
• 27:37
  We have a motion dove. A tender has been pointing us
• 27:39
  out for many years. Let's let's take so your the
• 27:42
  last. So your answer basically is, is
• 27:44
  that the reason why Revol Yashev and Revolvaja and Rev Moshe and
• 27:49
  any other of the gudon that did talk about not going up to
• 27:51
  Harbias? Rev Moshe actually permitted to
• 27:54
  go up to Harbias. Do you have OK, that's amazing
• 27:56
  for our viewers. Do you know where the macor is
• 27:58
  for that? And if you don't know now, we
• 27:59
  can add it later. It's, it's Igorous Moshe, but I
• 28:02
  don't have it on here. The Yeshiva Horror Bias and the
• 28:06
  various other organizations have been available.
• 28:08
  I don't know Igorous Moshe, but I have read it and I've seen it.
• 28:10
  And it was actually written to Robert Tender, who since at
• 28:14
  least the 1970s regularly visited Horror Bias.
• 28:17
  And this is? No documentary videos of him.
• 28:19
  Yeah, no, they're video. Yeah, he.
• 28:20
  Used to report to his father-in-law about going to
• 28:22
  horror bias. Why?
• 28:23
  Because his father-in-law went to him.
• 28:25
  Of course there's my bad place to go to our bias and I tended
• 28:27
  was was being quoted in the Jewish press years ago.
• 28:29
  I'm not going to pull everybody and I'm off.
• 28:31
  It's for declaring that. It's also, I know that they know
• 28:33
  it's Butler. You know, it's just what he
• 28:35
  called a political decision. Now that's not not a nice word.
• 28:38
  I would explain it as one second public policy.
• 28:40
  Decision so so you're saying you're saying that you're saying
• 28:42
  that the the truth is that I'm gonna fire find or the
• 28:45
  publications from these great ribonum that say that you can't
• 28:48
  is going to just be politically motivated meaning the halacha
• 28:51
  that the. Right.
• 28:52
  I don't say politically motivated, it could be a locally
• 28:55
  motivated, but politics from as in public policy, policy and
• 28:59
  politics are of the same show rush, you know, same Latin show
• 29:02
  rush. If I could use those, then
• 29:04
  again, because I'll use those, so I'm going to use them.
• 29:06
  It means that the public let's. Let's use Revivaja for
• 29:09
  argument's sake. Let's use Revivaja an example.
• 29:11
  So if I find a publication of Revivaja saying that it's to go
• 29:15
  into higher bias and he says that no one should go, what he
• 29:18
  really means is what what is what what he doesn't really mean
• 29:21
  that he it's not really coming from a halacha place.
• 29:23
  What are you saying about him? Robert Ravaggio was basically
• 29:27
  saying confrating 2 things. And by the way, people still do
• 29:30
  this nowadays. I'm, I'm I'm actually quite
• 29:32
  scandalized by there's a fellow who writes for the some sort of
• 29:37
  Jewish newspaper on Long Island. He's he's very obscure about
• 29:40
  this in this regard. I think his name is Rabbi
• 29:42
  Hoffman. I've addressed it before for
• 29:44
  also intentionally obscuring things that Robert Bohema said
• 29:48
  and it goes like this. It is true that there are places
• 29:51
  you're now going to our bias, For example, what used to be the
• 29:54
  Azara. That is completely true to tell
• 29:56
  people and no one knows where it is.
• 29:58
  And therefore you have to stay off of all of our bias because
• 30:00
  you might wander through the Azara is an extreme jump.
• 30:04
  There might be a homework to tell people at one point, yes,
• 30:06
  don't go into our bias because by the way, this is I've tried
• 30:09
  to show you the picture that I told you about before.
• 30:11
  I'm trying to multitask over here.
• 30:13
  It's not here. Yeah, I.
• 30:15
  Understand again, you can you can make such a statement, but
• 30:17
  that's a very. Yeah, they they are.
• 30:19
  They are basically saying, they're basically saying don't
• 30:22
  eat meat as you might be payless or do not marry because you
• 30:25
  might violate, you know, some sort of is or need of this.
• 30:29
  By the way, is also curries. They live in curries.
• 30:31
  It is, it is. So I tell everybody you can't go
• 30:36
  to buckle and make that the. Dolom are saying that there's a
• 30:38
  huge conflation that that's what you're saying.
• 30:40
  Everyone. Yes, a lot of these gudo made a
• 30:41
  mistake. That's what you're basically
• 30:42
  claiming. I don't know, not a mistake, no.
• 30:44
  And I I it better just to instead of telling me what I'm
• 30:47
  basically saying, I think you just let me say it.
• 30:49
  I'm saying that I'm. I'm saying it back because I'm
• 30:52
  trying to understand, meaning I'm happy you're.
• 30:53
  Telling there's no mistake there, there's no, there's no
• 30:56
  mistake there. There's there's intentional
• 30:58
  conflation and then adding of the home row, they said, we know
• 31:03
  that you can't go, you can't go into the Azara.
• 31:05
  And they're saying just stay off the horror bias entirely because
• 31:08
  we're not going to tell you where the Azara is and we're not
• 31:09
  going to make any effort to know where the Azara is further, and
• 31:13
  this is the political issue. Yeah.
• 31:15
  Again, I'm just I'm trying to understand your position, but
• 31:17
  but they if I'm not mistaken, they don't say that.
• 31:19
  They say we don't know. 1 does not know.
• 31:22
  OK, well, so and that's that's where tender comes in.
• 31:26
  You have to close your eyes or or stick it under the sand,
• 31:29
  whichever 1 you want to do. I won't.
• 31:31
  That's what I'm trying to find here.
• 31:32
  I know that this edition would actually show it.
• 31:34
  We know we have a Masaka of the Talmud.
• 31:36
  We have a section of the bomb. I'm dedicated to this very
• 31:39
  question. And if you know basic math and
• 31:41
  you start with the pinpoint of where the the number of the rock
• 31:45
  is and the Mukum Mukum Kodasha Kardashian is, you can very much
• 31:50
  find to a certain extent where the Azara is.
• 31:55
  And the Azara was was all almost one elevation.
• 31:58
  There was an elevated area as the Ezra Kuhanim, and there's
• 32:02
  the place where the Levine stood and there's a staircase.
• 32:05
  Those various levels still exist on the Temple Mount.
• 32:08
  No one's brought a bulldozer. It's a temple now until we level
• 32:11
  the place. So it's still, it's still there,
• 32:13
  yeah. When rabona make this claim that
• 32:17
  we don't know you, you say that it's ignorant.
• 32:19
  They're they're being ignorant. No, I'm saying they're being
• 32:23
  obscurantist and I'm not going to say anything more than Rabbi
• 32:26
  Tender said. It's a, it's a political
• 32:29
  motivation at the time, by the way.
• 32:31
  It's actually kind of interesting.
• 32:32
  I think it was it was by the way, when we say of doing the
• 32:36
  whole on Shabbos with forbid that's also political.
• 32:38
  It doesn't mean it's anything bad.
• 32:39
  It was a a noble idea. Let's say after the six day war,
• 32:43
  the first two Jews were not used to keep any formal.
• 32:48
  No, I'm trying to say that the idea of of doing the whole where
• 32:50
  the rabbi's impose a prohibition on something even though it's
• 32:53
  not like a malaka or come to do malaka.
• 32:55
  But for whatever reason, we don't want people doing this on
• 32:57
  Shabbos. So that's what the a public
• 33:00
  policy decision. OK, public policy.
• 33:03
  We passed that. We're talking about, we're
• 33:04
  talking about our talk about suffocates of their ISIS over
• 33:06
  here. This isn't.
• 33:08
  Hold on a second hold on a second Shabbos is Suri skila and
• 33:11
  they're much worse than anything regarding harbais.
• 33:13
  OK, And Mr. Skila carries Hari Sanskila.
• 33:16
  No, no, no. I mean when we when the rabbi's
• 33:18
  make rules Durham and rules regarding Shabbos.
• 33:21
  Shabbos needs a major slogan all over the place because Shabbos
• 33:27
  involves issuing skilo and therefore the sages taking upon
• 33:30
  themselves. Yeah, so when the sages
• 33:32
  basically open the hall, they're they're preserving the sanctity
• 33:34
  of the Shabbos. So too, when they impose rules
• 33:37
  on the Temple Mount. The point was to keep people
• 33:40
  away from desperating the. Temple Mount parallel to me is
• 33:42
  not the same because if you're going to say that the that we
• 33:45
  aren't going to go on the Temple Mount because why?
• 33:46
  Because our Suffolk Isodarisis. That seems like a far cry away
• 33:49
  from what would be a parallel to Udun Duhuo, which is generating
• 33:52
  an Isadarabanan for. No, by no point.
• 33:55
  My whole point was that Ogden the Hole is an example of rabbis
• 33:59
  making public policy decisions. That's all.
• 34:02
  Ogden the Hole is a public policy decision.
• 34:04
  So we should not be surprised that public policy decisions are
• 34:07
  made. That's that's the limit of what
• 34:08
  I'm saying. So.
• 34:09
  So you, OK, so you're saying that a rebel say it's a Suffolk
• 34:12
  der Isa, not because they're really mussupic per SE, but
• 34:15
  rather because it's a political, it's a policy that they're that
• 34:18
  they're trying to uphold. And, and I like to explain this,
• 34:21
  what happened was what happened was, and there are many stories
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  about this. I know people did this after the
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  Six Day War. Well meaning Jews would walk
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  right into the dorm of the rock the first few months after 60
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  war, Jews were walking to dorm of the rock, which is horrible.
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  OK, it is such a terrible issue. And by the way, there's still
• 34:37
  going walking around there. All that's that's also very
• 34:39
  terrible. However, we have to do
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  something. So the ball, Dover Dorma, they
• 34:44
  told everybody, you know what this is?
• 34:46
  Let's say well, to you who to cook and his and his Trevor,
• 34:50
  they said don't go to Harabas. Now we have to put things in
• 34:53
  order. We have to get everybody knowing
• 34:55
  Harabas what to do. We'll set straight.
• 34:57
  I say this is a muscle to, let's say young fellows of yeshiva.
• 35:02
  You want them to have proper marriages.
• 35:05
  You want to teach them how to do this right.
• 35:07
  But you also have to tell them when you're 18, don't run around
• 35:10
  with other young women and do whatever you want.
• 35:12
  You have to put a limit on them. And so, you know, there's
• 35:15
  certain rules. There's Medea, there's Medea,
• 35:17
  there's, you know, finding a proper shit up.
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  There's a lot to tell a young man, especially one who is a
• 35:23
  hormonal. So eventually you tell them we
• 35:25
  are going to do this right. We're going to educate you and
• 35:27
  we're going to make batches and everybody will have shown my
• 35:30
  swell eventually. But instead they didn't do that.
• 35:32
  Instead, we're telling these young men be celibate and never
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  know, go near women of the female persuasion for the rest
• 35:39
  of your lives. And maybe 100 years from now,
• 35:41
  you know a shit of the fraud of the sky.
• 35:43
  And at this point, you'll be conversant in the laws of Medo.
• 35:48
  That's ridiculous. Instead, you have to try to
• 35:50
  educate people. And this mistake, this
• 35:52
  phenomenal historical mistake is only now being corrected by
• 35:55
  trying to teach people here in the Hubble house.
• 35:58
  Here's how you go to mikvah. Here's where you cannot go.
• 36:00
  Here's why you cannot go. Here's where you can go in
• 36:03
  certain, certain circumstances. Here's where you can go if you
• 36:05
  wish to actually perform the avoda.
• 36:08
  We have to educate ourselves. So I can understand why you
• 36:10
  needed a moratorium and a stop point, but to just say 50 years
• 36:14
  on, 60 years on, no horror bias, we're not really all well,
• 36:18
  close. We're closing shop.
• 36:19
  We're never going to tell people they can go there.
• 36:20
  It's still forbidden, is not what the tour wanted, and it's
• 36:23
  actually disrupted Tommy's role. If, if you're, if you're
• 36:26
  correct, why couldn't the ghazal just be more honest and just say
• 36:28
  there's a, there's a significant danger because people are going
• 36:30
  right on to, you know, you know, Kalash Kardashians.
• 36:34
  And at least the Azaro. Really.
• 36:36
  Yeah. OK, so let's let's make let's
• 36:38
  make very clear lines. I was not there, I was not there
• 36:43
  and I only actually became. Aware of these things, it.
• 36:45
  Doesn't seem it doesn't seem strange to you that that.
• 36:49
  That seems very strange to me, but but luckily I was given I
• 36:53
  was able to run and toe it from people, Rabonim who were of the
• 36:57
  tradition and always said you have to go to horror bias, you
• 36:59
  have to go to horror bias, you have to go to horror bias.
• 37:01
  Rabbi Tender with we have only met a few times before we passed
• 37:05
  on, but from whom I learned a lot because I was able to read
• 37:08
  what he said and also listen to what he said said this.
• 37:12
  I heard from Robert Rabovich this quite a few times from
• 37:16
  rabbit Surio and of course Rabbit Varhim.
• 37:17
  Thank God he's still with us. He comes from the base matters,
• 37:21
  which has said all along that you're supposed to go to horror
• 37:24
  bias and you never were not supposed to go.
• 37:27
  And here's how you do it. And you have to spread the word.
• 37:30
  Now, if I'm one of those spreaders, then I I consider
• 37:33
  myself fortunate that, for example, people like yourselves
• 37:36
  and others come to me and say, is it really true that you go to
• 37:39
  horror bias? And the answer is yes.
• 37:41
  You cannot study, let's say, Talmud.
• 37:42
  Don't be shown without coming to this unmistakable conclusion.
• 37:45
  And if you ask me why they gotten to this point, I don't
• 37:47
  know. It's the story of my life.
• 37:48
  Everything I've been studying is tell people, Oh, you know that
• 37:50
  the last letter of the alphabet sounds like the English letter.
• 37:53
  Well, there's not an English letter equivalent, but it sounds
• 37:55
  like the way you and I say 3 and both a month.
• 37:58
  When I say 3 both a month, you don't French and if I say with
• 38:00
  you don't French. But if I tell you that sound
• 38:02
  existent Hebrew, people don't restore me for such a thing.
• 38:05
  I've been persecuting the Shiva by Russia, the Shiva pulpit
• 38:08
  rabbis, friends, usually how much how much how much you get
• 38:11
  for just saying, you know, I discovered something about the
• 38:13
  Hebrew language about the olive days and they they they're nuts
• 38:16
  about it. So if you tell people and by the
• 38:18
  way, that what you thought was strictly forbidden is turns out
• 38:21
  it's muther and here the rabbis who say it, they'll they'll you
• 38:25
  know, they'll wimp you with the biggest performers.
• 38:27
  What are you supposed to do? It's the truth, the truth, the
• 38:31
  truth roots for no man. What's the exact expression
• 38:33
  there? I I wish you you should speak to
• 38:36
  Robert Bachim about this. And I wish we have two of us
• 38:38
  still with us today. Or Robert Vinovich was still
• 38:41
  with us for many years. He was taking the students power
• 38:43
  bias. You know about Robert Vinovich,
• 38:45
  right? Yeah, look, look, I'm I'm yeah
• 38:48
  fairly open. I'm I'm all I'm seeing and and I
• 38:51
  find confusing. I'm not claiming to be a Bucky
• 38:53
  is that there is a a tremendous amount of information of of
• 38:58
  pretty much 90% of Gadolam writing very strongly against
• 39:04
  going. Please don't use the statistics.
• 39:06
  I don't think, I don't think, I don't think you actually took a
• 39:09
  lot. You know, you counted it.
• 39:10
  You defined who you do them all and then counted them.
• 39:12
  So you could say, well, I think it's already even.
• 39:15
  Even then I would don't have it here.
• 39:17
  In my experience, I've seen a large a person can can use
• 39:21
  whatever statistic that they find.
• 39:23
  That they do. The research themselves of
• 39:25
  verbatim that I would be very fearful of saying that not to do
• 39:29
  it and bringing halafic background.
• 39:31
  So all I'm doing is that it's not accusatory all.
• 39:34
  I'm doing is just asking. You what your feeling is about
• 39:36
  that, and I understand what you're saying.
• 39:38
  Your response is, is that what they're saying is motivated, not
• 39:41
  just purely halafic, but there's something else that is going on.
• 39:44
  Perhaps it's for the safety of Klystrel because they're, a lot
• 39:47
  of them are making a lot of mistakes and higher bias.
• 39:49
  Or perhaps there's another impetus and because of that
• 39:52
  they're saying things that are Suffolk that maybe would be a
• 39:54
  Suffolk to be on, but they themselves were probably very
• 39:57
  aware of of where things started and stopped.
• 40:00
  So that's your stance. I'm just trying to figure out
• 40:02
  your stance. Did I get that right?
• 40:03
  Well, here's what I would do. A few, maybe it's almost a year
• 40:07
  ago, at least a few months ago. There's a teller who said that
• 40:10
  Si Tellyezer learn quite a lot about this and did not allow
• 40:13
  going to Harvey's. Can you address what he said?
• 40:16
  Why are you not doing like the Si tellyezer?
• 40:18
  So you're familiar with his, with his chuvos there?
• 40:21
  So we got out the chuvos and we went through it line by line to
• 40:25
  understand what the Ti Tellyezer was saying.
• 40:27
  If you tell me a lot, you mentioned whether yes, you
• 40:31
  mentioned whether that you're safe.
• 40:32
  Let us look at each particular opinion individually and see
• 40:36
  exactly what's so there and find the points that we can rebut the
• 40:40
  first to address and rebut. So now I I put out a video and
• 40:46
  you're welcome to see it in the sources there.
• 40:48
  We went through the sea tail desert and the points there and
• 40:51
  show that the sea tail desert's own assumptions do not fit the
• 40:54
  reality and other parts I'll say aside from not fitting reality,
• 40:58
  transactional or have been disproven by the facts on the
• 41:02
  ground, I believe. And also if the CCA lizard were
• 41:04
  to be allowed to go to hard bias, which perhaps you should
• 41:06
  have in order to discover the truth of this thing, he would
• 41:09
  have not have written what he wrote.
• 41:11
  But then again, he's not here right now and we can't, we can't
• 41:14
  go any further than that. But if he wants to address any
• 41:16
  particular opinion that's in writing or the statements
• 41:19
  exactly that's going to do that, I think that might be worthy.
• 41:22
  We might not have time to think that that's.
• 41:24
  Obviously, no that unfortunate enough time right now, but maybe
• 41:27
  we can in the future. But that's obviously if you've
• 41:29
  done that in a video, you know, or if you have some textual
• 41:32
  stuff, be more than happy to add it to to the description here so
• 41:35
  that people can have a look for themselves.
• 41:37
  I think that's an excellent, excellent idea.
• 41:39
  Excellent idea. Are you familiar with our
• 41:41
  YouTube channel? The Rabbit Barkins put together
• 41:44
  a very on YouTube. Yeah, a YouTube channel on
• 41:47
  YouTube. I guess that's what we've done.
• 41:48
  That makes sense. Mahon Shiloh.
• 41:51
  Most important is the platform for Rabbit Barkins Shiram and
• 41:54
  his public statements. But he's also has quite a few
• 41:58
  other good content producers there.
• 42:02
  For example, at least up until the last year, Jonathan
• 42:05
  Pollard's main mouthpiece was that.
• 42:08
  So to Doctor Jeremy England, who's a genius, and Rabbi Shamai
• 42:13
  Siskin. I think I'm the only person
• 42:15
  who's material appears on that website who does not have a
• 42:18
  Wikipedia page. It means I'm not famous, but
• 42:21
  it's there and it's quite good. So check it out.
• 42:24
  And I'm looking right now for where we go through the
• 42:26
  Titsiliyezer's opinions. I mean, I just try to find the
• 42:30
  way. No, you can you can send it
• 42:31
  later and we'll we'll add it to the description.
• 42:33
  This probably isn't going to OK for we have other episodes to
• 42:36
  this for no 3-4 weeks. OK, I I see that there are three
• 42:38
  videos right here. It's almost, just about 2 1/2
• 42:42
  hours of content almost addressing the Titsiliyezer on
• 42:45
  the inside, just as an example. And he also have other hands
• 42:48
  addressing that they've obviously from his children's
• 42:50
  opinions on this matter. So yeah, you can find it and
• 42:53
  you're happy. That's.
• 42:55
  That's yeah. Again, I'm not claiming to be to
• 42:57
  know all of these be in this is technically not my hell I'll
• 42:59
  hook Forte personally, but I'm happy to know what your opinion
• 43:03
  is. OK, so let me then move on to
• 43:05
  because you, we split it up so far into two sections, which is
• 43:08
  building the base image and performing certain methods and
• 43:11
  higher bias. And you've discussed how you
• 43:13
  feel about the possible transgressions and that in your
• 43:16
  opinion there wouldn't be any because things are clear.
• 43:18
  So let's talk about maybe another reason would be
• 43:20
  politically motivated, which he mentioned a few times.
• 43:22
  So then you invoke you, you haven't been invoked.
• 43:24
  So let's, let's let's talk about that for a moment, OK?
• 43:27
  If I'm not mistaken, you work in yeshiva, Yes?
• 43:30
  Well, currently, no, I'm, I'm, I'm now independent researcher.
• 43:33
  I I really should get back to yeshiva, but then I have less
• 43:37
  time to learn. So it's, it's a little bit of a
• 43:38
  conflict. Yeah, I guess we'll talk about
• 43:40
  that afterwards. Yeah.
• 43:43
  If you if let's say you, you had your own yeshiva now, OK, and
• 43:47
  you were given an option, OK, you can continue learning in
• 43:50
  your yeshiva, OK, Or you could move.
• 43:54
  But if you stay where you are, then one of your Tommy numbers
• 43:57
  going to have to be killed. Would you stay in that location
• 43:59
  or would you move it? Has to be killed when you like
• 44:02
  that. That's a really strange it.
• 44:05
  Is a strange question, but let's answer it.
• 44:08
  I, I would, I would, I would stay put and I would do my best
• 44:12
  to physically defend my student. That's why I'm on little time to
• 44:15
  defend myself and others. So I don't think I would.
• 44:17
  I would, I would agree to that. But that's but that's not that,
• 44:19
  that that wasn't part of the question.
• 44:21
  You have to sacrifice one of one of the students.
• 44:23
  That's that's how that's how it works.
• 44:25
  I don't know, I I I I would take a hypothetical question in the
• 44:28
  piece that could actually happen in real life, but I don't know
• 44:30
  if such a thing happening there whereby we'd have to do it.
• 44:33
  You know, like the the the Obama says Indoke nephesh nephesh.
• 44:37
  It's sometimes happened that let's say the anti semites, you
• 44:40
  know, come and say give us one of you.
• 44:42
  I I would not give over someone to to die.
• 44:44
  You're telling me you only have to give Lord that he would just
• 44:46
  magically die that they would they would come in and shoot
• 44:48
  someone randomly. Is that is that the case?
• 44:52
  So, so I'd have to move the yeshiva or no, if I knew that
• 44:56
  case is once again, like I discussed this, this type of
• 44:59
  question with Rob Bahini said apparently what Cook would say.
• 45:02
  So you have to fight back. There is there is there is the
• 45:06
  third option. The third option is or you just
• 45:08
  move. I'm not moving.
• 45:11
  But why do I have to move? That doesn't make any sense.
• 45:14
  Because you because you don't want anyone to die.
• 45:16
  OK, well, I I guess that's a hypothetical.
• 45:19
  And then you give me two options.
• 45:21
  So, you know, I don't know if I, I'll ask you a hypothetical
• 45:24
  question. That's ridiculous.
• 45:26
  If someone said your wife or your daughter, what would you
• 45:28
  do? It'd be difficult I thought of
• 45:31
  such a question. It'd be difficult.
• 45:32
  Probably choose my. OK, so it's a silly question.
• 45:35
  I don't think it's. A I think to philosophize is
• 45:41
  very important. It's.
• 45:44
  Philosophy. Philosophize.
• 45:46
  I would say if it's a philosophy question, metaphysical power
• 45:50
  would cause more of the students to die.
• 45:52
  OK, that's that's how I would, I would phrase it.
• 45:54
  If you're asking me if I knew that keeping the yeshiva here or
• 45:57
  staying put would cause one of the students to die somehow
• 46:00
  beyond, you know, some supernatural means, then we
• 46:03
  could talk about it. Then that's a you know, then
• 46:06
  they take you out a philosophy if.
• 46:07
  That's if that's easier, if that's easier for you, we can
• 46:09
  start there. Let let's say that that you had
• 46:11
  such knowledge, did you? Did you stay put or would you
• 46:14
  move? So it, it actually, it still
• 46:17
  depends on things, you know, like where, where am I going and
• 46:19
  why is it that I know? How is it that I have such
• 46:21
  knowledge that by staying put, I, I'm bringing this students in
• 46:26
  danger? Navi says, OK, now you're
• 46:30
  bringing up, now you're bringing up a different type of mechanism
• 46:32
  in the halacha. Navi says, stay put and one of
• 46:35
  your students will die. So I would move because Navi's
• 46:39
  basically telling me about this. So there's part of me so much,
• 46:41
  I'm involved in all this. But he didn't, he didn't say.
• 46:45
  I see. He just said.
• 46:46
  He just said you should be aware that if you stay, one of your
• 46:48
  students will die. I.
• 46:50
  Don't know. Maybe it depends on how
• 46:53
  important it is to stay. It's an area to swell.
• 46:55
  Maybe, you know, there's a, there's this concept where
• 46:57
  people forget and the kindness mitzvah means that people have
• 47:00
  to endanger themselves and perhaps even die for the sake of
• 47:03
  staying in order to swell. People forget that point, you
• 47:06
  know, but that's a, that's a, that's a clear halal
• 47:08
  comparative. You know you, you have to go to
• 47:10
  war knowing that someone will die.
• 47:13
  Yeah, well, I think the Halaha comparative may be predicated on
• 47:16
  the fact that having a nation and having secure borders is
• 47:20
  what gives security for its inhabitants, meaning maybe you.
• 47:24
  Yeah. So it's keeping the total.
• 47:26
  Well, yeah. So it's winning the total.
• 47:28
  Learning the Torah is important, but I'm not sure it's as
• 47:30
  important as living. In other words, you need to be
• 47:32
  living in order to keep the Torah.
• 47:33
  That's that's generally how that works.
• 47:35
  Yeah, yeah. But you say, you bring up a
• 47:38
  strange case, a strange case of which I cannot find an analogy
• 47:42
  in real life. You know, halacha does as well.
• 47:44
  We talk theoretics, we talk about, you know, things that are
• 47:47
  practical. And I don't see this as unless
• 47:50
  you're going to give me the surprise soon, tell me what this
• 47:52
  is. It's.
• 47:53
  Obvious, it's obvious. It's obvious where I'm going.
• 47:56
  I'm trying to, it's obvious where I'm going.
• 47:58
  I'm trying to figure out though. However, on a more purely
• 48:01
  mechanical philosophical level of where you are.
• 48:03
  So I'd make it. I could make the variable
• 48:05
  somewhat ridiculous, but they're very straightforward.
• 48:08
  I mean, it would be like if you would answer the question and
• 48:10
  saying, if Elio Novi told me that the Shiva that my Shiva
• 48:14
  will continue in either place, but my Talmud would die if I
• 48:17
  stayed in place, say, then I would move, then I would say,
• 48:19
  OK, so, so it seems that Lyma Datura OK, is really important
• 48:23
  to you, But you know, you're the place of your yeshiva is not as
• 48:26
  important as the, the life of that person.
• 48:28
  And then I would, I would move on and obvious, if you want, we
• 48:31
  can jump, we can jump rungs over here.
• 48:33
  But I think it's, it is important to start at the bottom
• 48:36
  because it makes things clear on the top.
• 48:37
  But let's jump to the top and see if things remain clear.
• 48:40
  I don't see the gain of pushing a, a presence on higher bias at
• 48:44
  this point seeing that. But Der Khatava, there's no way
• 48:48
  that we're going to be building anything there soon.
• 48:50
  And all that we're doing is we're angering the nations and
• 48:53
  and probably stocking the files. That were.
• 48:56
  So you must, you must have said that on purpose.
• 48:59
  I, I think that it's, it's almost a joke, or at least the
• 49:02
  refuge of, of Alafic scoundrels to say, let us not do something
• 49:06
  that will upset the, the Dian. You should know such is not
• 49:09
  Alafic concept and also gives the Dian veto power over
• 49:11
  anything. They're Jews, by the way.
• 49:13
  It's entirely projection. The Jews say let us not do X
• 49:17
  because that'll upset the glam and who knows, maybe they'll
• 49:20
  start massacring us. So they'll create, you know,
• 49:22
  anti-Semitic movements. You know that there's no such
• 49:24
  thing in in in hollow history. If the glam you could say, by
• 49:27
  the way, some glamour upset the fact that you're wearing Yamaha
• 49:30
  and sits this way now, and maybe you should stop doing that,
• 49:32
  correct, or that you're learning total.
• 49:34
  You should stop doing that or living like strong.
• 49:38
  No, there's that's not, that's not correct.
• 49:39
  There's a difference between Shashma, SHMA.
• 49:41
  If you want to talk about SHMA, then yeah, it is.
• 49:44
  It's a lot more clear cut that you pretty pretty much do the
• 49:46
  thing and and you die with it. But I'm not sure this is a
• 49:49
  hashash of Schmad. I don't think that would you
• 49:51
  send your I don't know. No, I think I think that's it.
• 49:56
  That's a huge job. But why is there a why is that a
• 49:59
  misunderstanding? I don't see Rabunnam saying
• 50:01
  well, you see, getting a pair of filling would would be really
• 50:05
  dangerous for people for whatever reasons.
• 50:07
  Therefore, once you get filling, even though that it's possible
• 50:09
  that they may die. I, I can't think of I, I I don't
• 50:11
  think that's you think that's true.
• 50:13
  I I don't think that that whatever you said is, is, is is
• 50:16
  logical in any way. Yes, Sir.
• 50:30
  Yeah. OK.
• 50:41
  I don't see what, what what's the point?
• 50:43
  Because I, because I realize that there's a person who has to
• 50:45
  deal with the women authorities and he has to wear shoes.
• 50:48
  So he doesn't want to when he, he's violating A rabbinic
• 50:52
  prohibition of EUI Arnold Kipper in order to, I guess, make nice,
• 50:57
  nice with the Romans. And therefore we should stay off
• 51:00
  the power of bias. What's this?
• 51:01
  What's this? What's this halachic?
• 51:02
  One second. What's this halachic?
• 51:03
  What is this halachic? Nice, nice.
• 51:05
  As you say it. I thought that such a concept
• 51:07
  didn't exist a moment ago. Why are we finding?
• 51:09
  It well, here's here's a ghost. So the answer was in the old
• 51:12
  days, I think I'll have to tell you about Jewish history.
• 51:15
  The Romans were the rulers of Art Spell, and they're quite
• 51:18
  cruel. And they eventually even had in
• 51:20
  their power to destroy the base of Makdush, that they could have
• 51:23
  destroyed the base of Makdush. So Kazal even said, you know,
• 51:27
  the classic robbers of higher than North Krulus.
• 51:29
  They said perhaps we should even offer a sacrifice of that which
• 51:32
  is invalid in order not to provoke the Romans into
• 51:36
  destroying the base of Makdush, Correct.
• 51:39
  Right. I mean, I think, I think the
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  fear there was that everyone would die.
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  I think it's a little bit more than this, so.
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  If, if, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the destruction would be
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  something that means everybody in Jerusalem is going to die
• 51:48
  also. That's what that's what
• 51:49
  basically rules all to do. If let's say Trump or Putin had
• 51:53
  the base of Mikdash in his sights and was threatening to
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  destroy the base of Mikdash unless I did someone one of our
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  one of our big shots were to go in front of him and violate and
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  Kip or even offer improper sacrifice and that's what
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  they're threatening, perhaps that should be the right
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  decision. If you have as a hardly been of
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  who was comps of Arkansa incident happening in front of
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  us, then yes, we should consider that.
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  But right now, there is no Roman emperor threatening to destroy
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  the base of make flesh if we do not violate a certain
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  commandment or or implied violation.
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  I don't see that happening right now.
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  Right now we're dealing with the case whereby the Jews are
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  staying away from the base of just because They are imagining
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  all sorts of things. They're imagining that somehow
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  walking around on horror, bias or offering sacrifice will get
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  this, make the Muslim world. Once you destroy them, well, I
• 52:38
  have news for you. They only want to destroy you
• 52:40
  and they're already trying to destroy you.
• 52:42
  And you're very present. And Israel is what's upsetting.
• 52:45
  Them you don't think it's going to make them make take more
• 52:47
  drastic measures, immediate measures.
• 52:48
  To I don't think I, I think, I think it's ridiculous to think
• 52:51
  that there's nothing more that drastic than what the Iranians
• 52:54
  are trying to do. They basically declared war on
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  us a few years ago. They've used everything in their
• 52:58
  power. You live in Jerusalem, right?
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  You remember the missile attacks, you remember
• 53:03
  everything. They, they let her out and
• 53:05
  apparently I, I don't know if I could trust the Prime Minister
• 53:08
  entirely. I'll finish this one.
• 53:10
  The Prime Minister was saying that they were, they were trying
• 53:12
  to create nuclear weapons to destroy us and we have to
• 53:14
  destroy them. But the people of Gaza have
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  waged war against us and they I'm very.
• 53:19
  Aware, Rabbi Grossman, I'm very aware that the Iranians want to
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  kill us. I think that if we were to, in a
• 53:24
  very big way, do anything on hire a bias, then there would be
• 53:26
  a lot more than the Iranians. They used to say they were
• 53:29
  saying all sorts of things like it's going to be in the world
• 53:31
  that hopefully with the embassy, remember that that was a joke.
• 53:34
  You move the embassy to Jerusalem, it's going to create
• 53:36
  World War Three and this is going to create World War Three.
• 53:38
  We're just letting them do that. We're we're asking for that.
• 53:41
  I think that's a silly. Thing.
• 53:42
  Divorce from reality, you really don't think there'd be a more
• 53:44
  immediate violent response if we did anything on hire a bias that
• 53:48
  was significant is that? Of course not.
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  I am claiming that I think that it's.
• 53:54
  To think otherwise is silly. Why?
• 53:56
  Because you know they want to kill you?
• 53:58
  Because I heard this joke quite a few times here once a week
• 54:00
  from from wise people who that have come in contact with the
• 54:04
  whole Sheila content. They say it's the classic joke
• 54:06
  about the Jews that you take it they're about to be killed by
• 54:09
  the firing squad about in the grom.
• 54:11
  They're standing outside the guest chamber in Auschwitz or at
• 54:14
  the edge of the pit and Bobby are about to be executed and one
• 54:17
  Jew says hey, wait a minute. Maybe you should something
• 54:20
  everyone says be quiet. No one make these worse.
• 54:22
  The guardian do not never need an excuse.
• 54:24
  But that's why I said this is a non Talmudic idea.
• 54:26
  This is actually a Jewish, I guess, a stubborn Jewish facet
• 54:30
  of our inherited culture. The Sages wanted us to keep the
• 54:34
  Torah. OK.
• 54:35
  And we're supposed to keep the Torah and the guys do not going
• 54:37
  to veto on us keeping the Torah. And they can't tell us, you know
• 54:40
  what? If you start doing this, we're
• 54:42
  going to be upsetting and we're never going to massacre you.
• 54:44
  I actually put out a nice video about this about two years ago
• 54:47
  addressing the Aguda and Rabbi Avi Shafran about this.
• 54:50
  Instead of me saying it again, I'll just, I'll send you the
• 54:53
  link. But it's kind of silly that you
• 54:55
  told Jews don't keep the Torah so that you don't upset the Jew
• 55:00
  God's wrath. And it turns out it's actually
• 55:02
  the opposite. You're supposed to keep the
• 55:04
  Torah, and that's how you protect yourself from the day, I
• 55:06
  think. I think it's a fair argument to
• 55:08
  say that the Torah is saying I'll speak to our nefesh, not to
• 55:10
  go up on horror bias might be a violation of the Torah for that
• 55:12
  reason to be going it could be that.
• 55:14
  That's that's, that's quite novel.
• 55:15
  You were telling me about it. I don't think it's so novel to
• 55:21
  say that when there's bodily harm that will be applied to
• 55:25
  almost all Jews. Because of a.
• 55:27
  Particular action and horror bias that therefore we shouldn't
• 55:30
  go up. I don't think that's if that's a
• 55:31
  novel. You never thought of this
• 55:33
  before. You don't.
• 55:34
  Think I've thought of this before, but I've heard, I've
• 55:37
  heard this in many ways. You know, they said the same
• 55:38
  thing about living arts. Well, but you live in Jerusalem.
• 55:40
  I think you live in Jerusalem. It looks like you are in
• 55:42
  Jerusalem now, right? I mean, you're sure I am.
• 55:44
  You know, you know how many Guardian have made war to try to
• 55:47
  destroy? They have destroyed us.
• 55:48
  The Guardian have said you're you're you're like saving the
• 55:50
  XI, said Mitzka X. Yeah.
• 55:53
  As I mentioned before, I think that this the national security
• 55:56
  of Eric is really important for the security of every single
• 55:59
  Jew. I really firmly believe that I
• 56:01
  final. Thing I'm looking over at I'm
• 56:05
  looking over at telsey on right now do you know how many people
• 56:07
  told us living in telsey on is the problem that's endangering
• 56:10
  on this world living in telsey on is endangering on this world
• 56:13
  I know you didn't say that but that's what they say I know you
• 56:16
  didn't make that claim but that's.
• 56:17
  That's nice for them, Yeah, the. Claim the claim.
• 56:21
  I usually, I usually don't make claims here, but the claim I am
• 56:24
  making is that I would think that if a person goes on to hire
• 56:27
  a bias and does anything intense, what that's going to do
• 56:31
  is it really will incur the wrath of the gang, which will
• 56:33
  hurt people. And I'm not sure that that's the
• 56:35
  best thing. Hey, watch this.
• 56:37
  Look at this percentage, OK? We will incur the wrath of
• 56:41
  nations. I'll, I'll can I write it that
• 56:43
  way? Look, let me let me share the
• 56:44
  screen with you. OK, OK, so then how we will
• 56:47
  incur the wrath of the nations and therefore there will be
• 56:49
  bodily harm to Jews? OK, so look at this.
• 56:54
  Look here, here, here, here's here's the fallacy.
• 56:56
  That's what I like dealing with with instead of the particular
• 57:00
  cases, just the general idea. Do you see it here?
• 57:03
  OK, look, look over here. I wrote over here in my browser
• 57:06
  because I don't have anything else to type it out.
• 57:08
  You wrote if you do mitzvah and I put play, you'll incur the the
• 57:12
  wrath of the nation right now. You, you said you, you put the
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  mist over here. Yeah.
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  Bodily harm, all, all that stuff.
• 57:22
  Yeah. Mm.
• 57:23
  Hmm. Oh, that's good.
• 57:24
  Mm, Hmm. Yeah, mm.
• 57:28
  Hmm. Going up to higher bias Which,
• 57:30
  which, which? Which as far as I'm away as far
• 57:32
  which, by the way, as far as I'm aware, is not a mitzvah.
• 57:35
  But yeah. OK, well I'm trying to tell you
• 57:37
  it is and I could, I could use the source, but like I said,
• 57:39
  we've already I I'm coming from am I saying?
• 57:42
  It is. Am I saying it is?
• 57:43
  I just I'm not sure that it is but but let's say it is.
• 57:45
  OK, so, yeah, I can't do this in a real office.
• 57:48
  We just met. So, you know, now over here, I
• 57:52
  wrote this, Mr. Pony, did you know, and I'm trying to explain
• 57:55
  this point. You put in something this you
• 57:58
  put in what you what you wanted to in the sentence and you think
• 58:01
  that this is a good argument. I'm trying to say though, that
• 58:04
  is we could highlight the point I put in wearing scissors
• 58:08
  keeping kosher Brasila Shab is settling when you you pick it,
• 58:12
  you know, there's there's a whole toilet full of mitzvahs
• 58:14
  you could do where I could put in the mitzvah and I could show
• 58:17
  you examples historically and even today where we incur the I
• 58:20
  think people. Should not then I think people
• 58:23
  should not wear sets. People should not wear 4 corner
• 58:24
  garments. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 58:26
  People should not wear 4 corner. Garments and that's what I'm
• 58:28
  saying. And the problem with this
• 58:30
  argument. Therefore, the problem with this
• 58:31
  argument, I know they teach us in law school also, but this is
• 58:35
  saying that I'm never discussing graft cereal.
• 58:37
  This argument proves too much. It basically gives the nations,
• 58:42
  it gives itself a veto on keeping the Torah.
• 58:46
  They say this about Torah study by the way also OK, if you do
• 58:50
  Torah study in the old history, you know we will incur the wrath
• 58:52
  of nations to be corrupt method. Therefore we should not spend
• 58:54
  the Torah or if we reproduce, we will incur the wrath of the
• 58:59
  Egyptians and therefore we should not reproduce.
• 59:01
  This was a Mahogas and his daughter.
• 59:03
  I believe it's mentioned the Neblish.
• 59:05
  Therefore, this idea is nonsense because it leads, it proves too
• 59:09
  much and it leads to insert conclusion.
• 59:11
  So whether you put temple mounts here, Hoda sakabanos, etcetera,
• 59:16
  since it's whatever bits we put in here, it it doesn't matter
• 59:19
  because this argument is too strong, has been disproven by
• 59:22
  our sages and well, whatever. There you go.
• 59:25
  I think that I think that that settles it.
• 59:27
  You see that, right? No, I don't.
• 59:29
  I, I think that I, I, I don't, I don't see, I don't see, I don't
• 59:32
  see Khazal disagreeing with let's say mitzvah sis versus not
• 59:36
  a mitzvah. If you're not.
• 59:38
  Wearing adult canvas. If it's if it's shot, by the
• 59:41
  way, the point of shots of schmat is that even for the
• 59:44
  little bits, if they would say if there's a schmat going on, if
• 59:47
  they're schmatting and they say you're supposed to wear
• 59:50
  mitzitzis. That's right if it's.
• 59:52
  Supposed to, right? It's.
• 59:53
  Schmad. If it's schmad.
• 59:55
  If it's schmad, then it's something else.
• 59:56
  I don't think it's schmad. I don't think they don't want us
• 59:58
  to be from. I think they want.
• 59:59
  Us. No.
• 59:59
  That's what Schmad is called the Homer.
• 1:00:01
  Schmad is called the Homer. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:04
  It's, no, it's not Schmad. No, it is Schmad is No, Schmad
• 1:00:07
  is trying to destroy your religiosity.
• 1:00:09
  That's what Schmad is. They're not trying to destroy
• 1:00:11
  our religiosity. They're trying to destroy our
• 1:00:13
  bodies, which is pretty bad. But it's not as valuable as our
• 1:00:17
  religiosity. It's not as valuable.
• 1:00:19
  Yeah, I'm trying. No, I said.
• 1:00:20
  It's called the Homer that we cannot give the gallium this,
• 1:00:23
  this veto by saying any, any this no, the the by being by
• 1:00:31
  call the Homer, I'm saying that it doesn't matter which misfile
• 1:00:34
  you put into here. Sometimes you have to do the
• 1:00:37
  mitzvah. In other cases, the whole the
• 1:00:40
  call is, is we, we choose to do it.
• 1:00:43
  OK, we can choose to do mitzvahs and we if, if in certain points
• 1:00:48
  we were told Vafku go and do it and during shots of Schmab Vafku
• 1:00:51
  go and do it, then of course, when there is no schmab and
• 1:00:55
  they're not threatening us explicitly, then of course we
• 1:00:58
  can go and do the mitzvahs. Well, there I there is no I
• 1:01:02
  don't. You, You don't need you.
• 1:01:04
  You want you. You.
• 1:01:05
  You're saying that we need more of an explicit threat.
• 1:01:08
  Is that? I'm trying to say that.
• 1:01:10
  I'm trying to say if, if they give us an explicit threat,
• 1:01:13
  don't go to our vice. If you could actually point to
• 1:01:15
  the group, they're saying this, don't go to our vice made the
• 1:01:18
  power to do smart to us, then we would be giving our lives.
• 1:01:22
  I would say you have to go at gunpoint, go to higher bias and
• 1:01:25
  go and not give up on it because that's the schmob.
• 1:01:27
  They're trying to take it away from us right now.
• 1:01:29
  What if? You're saying it's not?
• 1:01:31
  Schmob right now are. You all dead.
• 1:01:33
  Then this is what's I'm. Just going to kill you more.
• 1:01:37
  Well, what if that's what they're?
• 1:01:38
  Saying. So and that and the rule is like
• 1:01:40
  I just said before, it doesn't matter what mitzvah you put into
• 1:01:43
  the the blank space mover here. OK this is a non Halo click non
• 1:01:49
  tobutic argument that has been disproven already and that is
• 1:01:52
  the gallium do not have veto power.
• 1:01:55
  I know so you're late to the game.
• 1:01:56
  You know, like I tell you, youngsters who come and they
• 1:01:58
  never you know it. Could be I'm late to the game,
• 1:02:01
  but I don't think you're. Being clear.
• 1:02:02
  Because I'm not hearing what you're saying.
• 1:02:04
  How? It is the gallium.
• 1:02:07
  Do not get a veto. I'm also keeping the mysticals.
• 1:02:10
  That's it. And they've said it before, like
• 1:02:11
  I, I, I gave you other physical examples.
• 1:02:14
  There is a movement, right? An actual grayish convinced to
• 1:02:17
  destroy the issue there it's as well.
• 1:02:20
  Choose so I answered that already.
• 1:02:22
  I think you should very as well is very different because I
• 1:02:24
  think that national security, the security of every single Jew
• 1:02:28
  is different. I think that.
• 1:02:29
  No, they've. Chosen an exception to the rule.
• 1:02:32
  No, no, there is no sense. The toy is 100%.
• 1:02:34
  We have to keep the toy. We can't say, you know what, if
• 1:02:37
  they threaten Shabbos and Koshwas, then we'll have to
• 1:02:39
  realize there are things we really need to give up on the
• 1:02:42
  long term for decades and centuries if possible, because
• 1:02:45
  we don't want to upset them. Go and get it.
• 1:02:47
  Get to veto and get to limit our Judaism.
• 1:02:49
  That is, that is nonsense. I mean, there's no tumbling
• 1:02:52
  precedent for such a thing. We find incidents in history
• 1:02:55
  where it's been disproven. That is just an A, a Jewish
• 1:02:58
  feeling or a Jewish idea that's more like cultural, like your
• 1:03:02
  children has to have a certain flavor to it.
• 1:03:04
  But that's not how that's not how.
• 1:03:06
  That's not what you want. You do.
• 1:03:08
  They want you to keep the Toro. I understand that they want us
• 1:03:11
  to keep the Toro. Okay.
• 1:03:12
  My argument was different is that when it comes to danger,
• 1:03:14
  I'm not sure that it's it's so simple that they all want us to
• 1:03:17
  keep the terror at the expense. You have to show.
• 1:03:19
  You have to show danger. It is.
• 1:03:21
  It's just that I don't know who said this, OK?
• 1:03:23
  So I've had then you and. I have to address youngsters
• 1:03:26
  saying this for a very long time actually.
• 1:03:28
  I just so you and I just so it could be that I'm on the side of
• 1:03:31
  the youngsters perhaps that you and I just have a disagreement
• 1:03:33
  on on what the other side is saying.
• 1:03:35
  I think the other side is saying we want you dead and we will
• 1:03:38
  kill you more if you do these things and you're claiming not
• 1:03:41
  well. I'm claiming, and I'm also
• 1:03:43
  claiming that they say that. They say that about you living
• 1:03:45
  in Jerusalem also, but you're not running away from Jerusalem
• 1:03:48
  right now. They actually do say.
• 1:03:49
  That but I know. But I I told you why I think
• 1:03:52
  that's different. I told you why.
• 1:03:54
  Yeah, that's and that's that's not a real philic.
• 1:03:56
  And then they're going to say that about everything.
• 1:03:58
  Like I said, you've given the Goyal veto.
• 1:03:59
  To do no the clock I made was national security.
• 1:04:02
  Philan is not Is not their Hoteva part of national
• 1:04:05
  security? Living in Eric Searol is.
• 1:04:08
  And also keeping the base of Mikus is part of it.
• 1:04:10
  Keeping all the mitzvahs together is.
• 1:04:12
  Having having the base of Mick as part of national security,
• 1:04:15
  it's not part of national security.
• 1:04:18
  Ask you democracy, By the way, what's today's date today?
• 1:04:21
  Is the 17 the KISS wave not mistaken and seven in a week
• 1:04:26
  from tonight we're going to be celebrating.
• 1:04:28
  I believe in the Jewish holiday, which I also believe is many
• 1:04:30
  Jews are completely disconnected and go go along with this.
• 1:04:33
  The Jews fought in the kindness mitzvah to regain the Hara bias
• 1:04:36
  and rebuild them as Bayak and rededicate the temples to have
• 1:04:39
  the Karbonos. Right now you are making the
• 1:04:41
  argument against you democracy and the Kashmir.
• 1:04:44
  I don't know if you keep if you yes, you are.
• 1:04:46
  You just made it. Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  I'm trying to make we need another unit Mocha be today
• 1:04:51
  about this year. We're here and saying, you know
• 1:04:53
  what we need to get. This I was not going to let the
• 1:04:56
  base of mix up. I had the option of not having
• 1:04:58
  it remain into the enemies hands.
• 1:04:59
  We are, we are going to let that mosque stay on higher bias for a
• 1:05:04
  long period of time, if that's really what we're going to do.
• 1:05:07
  That's what it seems. If that's really what we're
• 1:05:09
  going to do, OK. And we think that they're going
• 1:05:12
  to be there for a while and there's going to be danger.
• 1:05:14
  So then, yeah, I don't know why. Why to just ruffle people's
• 1:05:16
  feathers for no reason. And the time the Maccabee and
• 1:05:22
  the time you're the Maccabee, what we're going to do is we're
• 1:05:24
  going to push the solutions out, which we did completely.
• 1:05:27
  That was the idea to make a perimeter.
• 1:05:29
  To push people off a few decades they when they they should know
• 1:05:33
  the idea the. Idea was to push them all out.
• 1:05:36
  That was the idea here. The idea right now is that we're
• 1:05:38
  not pushing everyone out. If if we're pushing out, then I
• 1:05:41
  hear honestly pushing everyone out.
• 1:05:43
  So then what's the point? So there's different ways of
• 1:05:46
  going out doing this. You should know I believe that
• 1:05:49
  for now, I myself cannot build in this black or for criminals.
• 1:05:52
  And that's not what I am trying to do.
• 1:05:54
  I'm trying to build our lives and encourage more people and
• 1:05:56
  make it naturally more of a Jewish place and hopefully we'll
• 1:06:00
  be able to get enough Jews or just create our own government
• 1:06:03
  to push out the enemy and to reinstate, shave up baby and put
• 1:06:06
  them in charge there. There's a lot of ways to go
• 1:06:08
  about doing this, but the goal is the same.
• 1:06:10
  The rebuilding they semi dush and the institution, the
• 1:06:13
  reinstitution of the sacrificial service.
• 1:06:15
  Go and tell me that I should stay off of our bias entirely.
• 1:06:19
  It flies in the face of Jewish history and they're our greatest
• 1:06:21
  heroes. They would not allow such a
• 1:06:23
  thing. Governor Malik did not stand for
• 1:06:25
  such a thing. Like I said, or we're about to
• 1:06:27
  celebrate the holiday of the Jews who decided they were not
• 1:06:31
  going to tolerate this anymore. And also you have a desire that
• 1:06:33
  was I told you. What I thought.
• 1:06:34
  And I went to war for it. OK, so maybe maybe you want to
• 1:06:38
  go on to a different topic. Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  No, I'm very much enjoying discussing this topic, but we're
• 1:06:43
  out of time so I I have to go. But Rabbi Grossman thinking, oh
• 1:06:45
  man. Joining.
• 1:06:46
  Us I I was going to say that we that's it.
• 1:06:48
  Learned so much. That's what you want.
• 1:06:51
  Really. I start 20 minutes.
• 1:06:52
  More, but we rent I I ran out of time.
• 1:06:55
  I have to go. But Rabbi Grossman, maybe we'll
• 1:06:56
  have this conversation again. I really appreciate you having
• 1:06:58
  it with us. It was very informative.
• 1:07:00
  Thank you SO. Much, by the way.
• 1:07:01
  OK, If we if we, if we now, now we hit like cut, I guess we're
• 1:07:04
  going to put this up not online if you want to speak again or
• 1:07:07
  you want to.