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Episode 41 Crown Jewel 2023 review!!!! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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Yeah, to be the best. First, you gotta believe, believe in
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that undeniable ability to defy gravity, to freaking shine baby, to never quit,
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to be a warrior, to take off the hat's dominant straw, to
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be their worst night there, to remain champion. Now with the whole world
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water, it's time to believe, believe, believe in the big time.
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Say all the words on my head. I'm sired of sired of the things
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you do, added things again the second they second? Doctor, tell me
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what you think? Did I could be? I'm the one head, I'm
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the master, do my seel the mass, doodo my sield, but then
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hip deep into the attendant when it pint out, its three years like,
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acknowledge me. It's a tribal chief Roman raid and maybe l a Knight's game,
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but it's Roman Raids world over eleven hundred days. It's champ. I've
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done things that you would never imagine in this business. This is my w
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W as far as I'm looking, I'm the head of the table. So
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acknowledge me. Do we believe it? Who do you think? Missus Rieha?
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This is big time? This is WWE crown June crowd, your our
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friends and this is the friendship dat will never ever end. Ladies and gentlemen,
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Welcome to the Least requested, lease demanded, and the Least downloaded wrestling
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podcast bc W. This could be a long podcast, so's dropping and set
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up and don't be a little bit about it. This is a question.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Welcome back
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to another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling. I am your host, Wayne
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also known as Semi dry Chicken. What is up, peeps? We have
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a post show today. We are going to be talking about Crown Jewel and
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I am not doing it alone. Let me bring in my co host Dream.
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What's up man y you? What do pc W crew? Hey?
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Pop quiz f MK damage Control? Oh well, you got me on the
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spot here. I mean h uh uh f ale uh who marry ear Sky?
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Uh killed the coat guy? Mm hmmmm. I'm actually the scene saying
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yeah barely no question. Club can give me some of that classic Japanese cooking.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, eel. She's probably my eeo might be my
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second favorite wrestler women's wrestler in WW right now after Bianca. I don't know
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how it happened. But yeah, she's really grown on me in the last
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year. Wrestlers will do that to life. They'll come in and they'll be
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a manager, you know, one day and then in less than a year.
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You know, they got everybody say, it's crazy how quickly everybody can
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get on the bandwagon. You know what, Let's bring on somebody else on
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our bandwagon here. Uh, it's not Doyle, it's not We got a
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surprise guests. Because Doyle didn't do his homework. I'm just gonna I'm gonna
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blast him. He's been busy, he didn't do his homework, he didn't
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watch Crown Jew he missed it. Shocked. Oh darn you. Sorry,
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So he'd better be listening, catching up doing his homework. He missed out,
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he missed out, but covering for him. You know somebody who came
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in for the hot tag. Let's bring him in. Oh, yes,
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for the hot tag. Carlos. Welcome back, buddy. Hey, what's
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going on? Guys? Thanks for having me back. I can't wait to
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break this down with you and see how we can predict these storylines go into
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Survivor series. As far as the FMK with damage control, I will have
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to say sweep it and I copy your guys' homework. We're gonna go ahead
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and just clean the board and move on from there. Everybody's wiping up eo
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huh oh shit. Yeah, I'll tell you what, man, she's got
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something going on right now, as long as she gets to bring that title
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with like Gold or Dakota Drey. I mean, we're in Saudi, and
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I thought we were going to be outside because I mean, how often do
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we go to SdiA and you know it's always outside we either I'm always worried
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about the lighting. I'm I totally forget about the weather, but I'm always
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worried about the lighting. If you guys recall a WrestleMania one year it was
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outdoors and nad Bray White versus the Undertaker. It was still daylight out,
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so their entrances just didn't hit the same, you know. So but you
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know, in this case, I thought about the weathers and people were talking
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about rain and stuff, and and then you know, it show started up
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and I was like, oh shit, wait, d'ur inside. Yeah,
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but I mean, like it's Saudi Arabia, it's the desert. How often
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does it rain in the desert? I know right, And you know what,
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Carlos, you reminded me, man, like I totally forgot about the
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one time it did pour, you know during wrestling. Good callback on the
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discord. Thank you so uh Dre, I mean, do you want do
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you want to take you from here? Do you want to do you want
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to take the reins? You're gonna take the tag sir? Yep, yep,
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yep, you know, yep. Yeah. So this's twenty twenty three.
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Crown Jewel took place from Ria, Saudi Arabia at the Mohammad Abdu Arena.
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Reported attendants of just over ten thousand people. Seems often small for a
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Crown Jewels. You would think they would do more for that, especially as
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much money as they're putting out. But it looked very small. Like I
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don't know about you, Carlos, but like it to me, for like
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a Saudi show, it looked very small. I was expecting way larger.
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This just seemed like an average pay per view size event, you know,
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like what ten thousand people right, Like, yeah, that seems like that's
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a small arena here in the States. I wonder is it starting to lose
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its luster over there in Saudi Arabia a little bit, or did they just
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kind of scale it down this time around given the maybe weather and other you
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know, geopolitical circumstances, who knows. Yeah, but those ten thousand people
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in there made them. They did a good job of making themselves sound like
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more than ten thousand people, at least for the times when they were invested
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in the matches. Yeah, so props to them for that. So kicking
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off the the pl in the pre show, we had Sammy z Ain taking
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on j D McDonough, in which Sammy's Ain achieved the victory not with the
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hallula kick but with his blue Thunderbohm after the hallula kick. Oddly enough,
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now, this match I actually missed it because full disclosure, I didn't actually
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catch this show live because I was working that Saturday and this thing it aired
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at one o'clock in the afternoon, and I was at work, very busy,
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so I caught the replay at night, and then when I watched it
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at night, I just jumped straight to the show and totally forgot about the
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fact that they had a match in the pre show. So I have no
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thoughts about the match itself, but it does seem rather odd that Sammy's Ain
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was in a pre show match and not on the main show itself. Somebody
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of his caliber, Sammy's Ain one of the top faces in the company JD
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McDonough, a in or out or affiliate of arguably the top stable in the
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country right now, in the country, in the company right now, because
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you could argue that Judgment Day right now is kind of eclipsed Bloodline at least
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what's left the bloodline right now with Roman being hell a part time and solo
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and Jimmy doing all the work and Jade left with and is now a top
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babyface. Yeah, you could argue Judgment Day is a top stable heel stable
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in the in the company right now. So putting two people in a pre
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show match seems like an odd choice, especially Sammy's Ain, who apparently was
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super over with the crowd, right, I know, just seems like a
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rather odd choice in that regard. But uh, what are your thoughts on
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the way? You know what, I didn't catch this match either, because
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you know, most of the pre shows as of late have been nothing but
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the kickoff battle. I mean, we did see that it was booked,
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I guess, but yeah, like I just I don't know. I just
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never got around to watching it because I was actually watching it, so I
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was like I got home just in time to catch it, and it was
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It was actually pretty nice having the pay per viewed in the middle of the
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day and then like when it was over, it's like all right, now
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what because normally after these pay per views, it's like I'm going to bed.
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I mean that's how most pay per views end, right, Like we're
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all bas is, Like especially some of these shows, like they drag him
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out like real late and uh, it's just so weird to be like now
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what. So yeah, I don't know. Did you did you enjoy watching
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it at night? Like are you glad you watched it later at night or
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do you think, yeah, you fomo you missed out that I didn't.
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Well, now, I didn't have any sense of fomo because I pretty much
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avoided social media and and everything all day, so nothing was spoiled for me.
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And after I got off work, you know, I went to the
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gym, got a good workout in so it having that to come home and
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to watch was it was nice. It was nice to have something to do
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for that Saturday night, you know, got done at the gym, grab
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something to eat on the way home. Sit home, It's like, all
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right, cool, time to watch some ww Granted, I did underestimate how
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tired I would be after working all day and going to the gym, so
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there may have been some points in this show where I dozed off and then
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woke up and was like, oh shit, gotta rewind missed something. But
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outside of that, watching it at night, you know, it was just
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my Saturday night is always usually dedicated. Usually it's dedicated to anime that's usually
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my my get down on Saturday nights, barring a wwe PL you know,
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my Saturday night's food anime. I'm chilling, I'm in the crib, I'm
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good. So and watching this at night just felt like watching any other WWPL
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E. So I wouldn't say that was like nice or anything. It just
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was a good, norm normal thing that we typically do with their shows.
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So yeah, that's pretty much where it was that with me. How weird
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to have Sammy on the Kickoff show, like with just how much popularity he's
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had in the past year, and like how he was known for like not
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going over there for so long and it's just as recent that he started going
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over and I mean, I get he's fine. I guess he's content with
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where he was booked, but you know, just to make it's just it's
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at the end of the day. I guess for us, it's just a
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you know that that was where he was booked in the time slot. But
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either way, you could still go back and watch it. The people at
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the crowd that were there experienced it, so Kickoff Show were not uh you
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know, and they throw it right in the middle of the panel, which
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is so weird because it's like I didn't because when I started it the pay
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per view again, because when we do these shows sometimes we like to like
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right now, I have it playing in the background with no sound, so
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like when I started it, it started like the full hour of the Kickoff
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Show, and I was like support it, And then I found the Sammu's
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a match. I was like, well, it's too late for that,
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so, you know, but yeah, weird, Carlos, did you catch
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that match at all? I mean no, I did not catch the sammy's
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Ay and JD McDonald match. Nobody no, because it's just been like accustomed
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to it's just the kickoff and like Kayla and whoever Booker t and the third
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person, I forget who it is, just talking for like an hour,
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trying to hype you up for this pay per view. Yeah, and like
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you said, you guys said that it was like put out there that they
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were going to have this match, but I never saw anything like that.
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But then again, my whole kind of like algorithm has been act on x
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ever since you know, Elon take it over. I don't get everything up
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to date, and sometimes it doesn't even refresh itself, so sometimes I get
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to things a little bit later than I normally would have when it was like
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okay. So unfortunately, as far as like this match is concerned, I
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missed it. I probably would have enjoyed it, just because you know,
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I've been like on Sammy Zane's bandwagon for like ever since he kind of like
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joined the Bloodline and now he left the blood Line, and I've always felt
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that he should have actually gotten the win if our Roman reigns, either at
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the elimination chamber that they had in Montreal or if they eventually build up to
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that, because I feel like that probably would have been like the perfect end.
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Would Sammy, in my book ever have like a long m Championship brain
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No, but I think it would just help pay off the crowd and all
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the fans that have been like following this the storyline. I think that's the
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best standing for me. Yeah, I see that kind of speaks to the
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questionable booking choice of putting him on the pre show because all three of us
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missed it, and I'm pretty sure we ain't the only three people who missed
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it. I'm sure there were other people who were like they are like,
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you know, the show kicks off at one, probably thinking the same thing
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like us, Like okay one where they know the first hour is just pre
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show, so they're like, I cut it on at too, or they
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may have cut it on it one then didn't pay attention, just had it
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on in the background, but what have you? Just like the normal pl
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time, they say like you'll start times at seven, but we know the
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real show doesn't start to actually eight, so normally I don't cut I don't
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cut it on till eight o'clock because I know that's when the actual PLI starts.
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I just picture like people walking into the arena, you know, like
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kind of like how me and Doyle and Dave would like we walk in,
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we get in there, Like the beginning of the first match, they're probably
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walking in like a little early, and then that Sammy's Aine match. You
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hear his music. Oh shit, we are late, right, and then
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that match happens, and then nothing happens for another thirty minutes, right,
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Can you imagine that, like he had all that hype, all this energy
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he just got off of listening to Sammy's Ain's music. No, you're fucking
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still singing his music, and then it's like nothing for the next half hour.
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It's like fun, right, but uh yeah, it's a weird just
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an odd choice of Again, somebody of his caliber being in the pre show,
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you think they could make They could have. That match could have easily
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been the kickoff match for the actual pl itself, and y'all could have used
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the pre show to showcase some development title talent or something. Some of you,
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somebody in your mid card could have gotten that pre show slot. Imagine
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if the show would have imagined the hype of kicking off the show with Sammy's
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Ain't yea the actual po and seeing that pope. Holy shit. It Like,
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as I'm watching this, I totally figured out how much purple is in
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this arena. How many purple lights? How many big bright green diamonds?
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Does it? All? The RGB puke, Oh god, all the RGB
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was going like there's this this massive green diamond, and like like, now
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that I'm watching it on my computer, it's a little bit easier, but
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like when you're watching on like a big screen TV and four K, like,
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it's just so much bright colors in your face. Like and and as
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pay per view nights go, you know, you you you drink a little,
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you tooke a little, and as the night goes on, those bright
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colors start to get you know, annoying. So but hey, you know,
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at least it was a good match to start the you know, to
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kick off the show. Yeah, right, but uh, the world title
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match for the first first match, yeah yeah, you know, you know,
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at least the same as ain't got the crowd hype. They probably had
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them ready ripping and rare and to go speaking to that little that big green
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diamond, I ain't gone. It was about halfway through the show before I
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realized that that was actually a screen and not like some over some graphic overlay
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that they had like they do on their superstars when they enterant when they enter
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like I was watching the whole time, like that is a cheap ass looking
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diamond sitting up there. What the fuck did that little lazy ass graphic?
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They're like halfway through Shaw like, oh, that's a screen caught somebody else's
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interest. I think, yeah, but I mean it is what it is,
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So moving on to the actual pl So we opened up with Seth freaking
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Rollins defending the World Heavyweight Championship against Drew McIntyre, which, you know,
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if you ain't gonna kick off the show with Sammy's ain, this ain't a
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this ain't a bad alternative with Seth Rollins. He came out to a tremendous
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pop and everybody singing his theme. Drew McIntire came out to a moderately size
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pop as well, Like he hasn't he hasn't gone full heel yet, so
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he's kind of in. But the pop I noticed wasn't wasn't quite as loud
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as he would normally get as a babyface, So he's starting to transition into
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minds of the fans. He's kind of like in between right now. They
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don't know where to go, and they don't know whether to cheer for him
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or whether to start booing him yet, so the Poppy Guys seemed a bit
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a bit tepid, But the match itself was actually, to me a pretty
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good match. I thought it was a strong match to kick off the show.
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Drew did a good job of looking strong and dominating Rollins a lot.
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He did show some signs of hell of some heelish behavior with a little bit
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of trash talking and slapping around of seth Rollins. The part of the match,
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however, that I did not like was the finish in the sense that
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I just thought the finish was dumb, in the sense that Drew McIntire goes
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for the clay war gets kicked in the face, and decides I'm gonna try
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it again, missus gets the pedigree and then gets one, two three.
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I just thought it was kind of a bit of a dumb choice to clearly
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get good get your clayboard counter the first time, which okay, fine,
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you see another opportunity, you go for it again, But then the second
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time you get kicked their face and your alternative is damn, he just kicked
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the sh out and be trying to do that. Let me try it again.
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Yeah, like it's going worked out differently five seconds later. I thought
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that was just kind of a little bit lacking in ring ring psychology. But
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that's a small blemish in an otherwise good match. Carlos, what'd you think
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of it with this match? I thought it was not the same kind of
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opinion that you have, you know, like it was a good match pretty
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much until we got like very hurried kind of finish where you know, like
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and Drew was like really intent on hitting his finish here to Claymore. But
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from what I've seen here, it's like like like in our podcast, we
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watched all these WrestleMania's to help my wife kind of like even though she probably
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didn't have to to get up to speed when we go to RUSSELLMANIU forty.
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But and what is the name of that podcast, Carlos Revisiting the Mania?
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And where can people find that? Carlos, Like can find us on our
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on our YouTube live channel called Revisiting Mania, and we also do a Facebook
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live at the same time. Also find on our Facebook page Revisiting the Mania.
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Thank you. I'm right, y'all heard it. Check them out.
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So's it's just like before, like just to get my explanation out of the
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like sorry, I might go a little long, but you had like small
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things when like a small package, a quick roll up, like the occasional
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submissions. And since we're transitioning more to like the Attitude era and a little
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bit later now, finishers have been more common and I think now maybe they're
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like altering back into like having more of those pop up over He had like
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small package roll ups and things like that, but this one was like,
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for some reason, just like booked for like Drew to continue to try to
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get his claim more and it doesn't seem like he like it didn't fit with
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the character that we're trying to do here, and like obviously set in the
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face and Drew's kind of like going heelish, but if he's going Helish,
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you shouldn't just be trying to depend on his finisher. And that's like something
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that really I felt like just felt out of place and didn't feel like that
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they kind of completed the story there trying to tell with this match. That's
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a good point. That is a very good point. You usually don't see
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heels relying on their finisher for a win. The usually rely on some sort
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of counter or some sort of cheat or some opportunity to take advantage of the
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face slipping in order to get a win, but rather than trying to like
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I'm gonna spam my finisher. Yeah, that's usually something you see, that's
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the usually reserved for faces. So yeah, it's a good observation. Yeah,
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I mean, what a great match to have two faces open up the
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show here because these guys don't have anybody that's really gonna interfere, so you
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know, it was gonna be a pretty clean finish. Dan Drew getting as
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close as he can get to another world title that he just cannot get.
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You know, it was ranged. He just couldn't, you know, grasp
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the title from him. And it seems like Seth Rollins has his number now.
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Seth Rollins being the workforce that he is, it looks like, you
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know, he's just he's just gonna keep going. You know, he's gonna
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take it a survivors series. You know, I did laugh when Damon Priest
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music hit. He attempted to cash in at the end, and I just
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laughed because I didn't believe it, And that's kind of saying something to me,
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like I kind of giggled when Damien Priests music hit because I just like
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I just didn't believe he was gonna be successful. I was like, something,
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this is not gonna get it exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's just
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like the feeling like when there's other people who've held the money in the bank
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briefcase in the past, and when their music have hit, it got you
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pumpedly, Oh my god, this is it, this is it, this
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is it. You know classic you know, guy like Dolph Ziggler when he
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his money in the bank cash in over delt real, I mean, holy
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crap, Like you know, seeing punk cashing in, Edge cashing it like,
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well we would hear it, we would get excited, and you know,
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like I just felt it like this guy is the next world champ,
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like he's he's gonna be successful with his cash in. But like what I
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heard Damian Priest music, I just I just don't feel it, man,
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I just don't feel it. I'm not feeling it yet because it was it
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was bad timing. It made Zero's sense for him to do that. Then
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you mean you're gonna sit here and tell us that he that Damian Priest chose
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not to cash in after a last man standing match that seth Rollins was involved
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in which he got where he got the absolute dog shit kicked out of him,
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my Kate knocking Mora. He's not gonna cash in then, but he's
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gonna cash in after a regular old championship match with Drew McIntyre that seth Rollins
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won. I won't say easily, but one with out looking too ragged afterwards,
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just a clear pedigree stop one, two three, I'm done, but
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now you want to smoke? Yeah, it makes no sense. He dug
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deep. These guys both dug deep in this match. They pulled out all
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the finishers, they pulled out all the reversals. Uh, you know,
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WrestleMania worthy tight match. But you know, I didn't expect anything less from
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these guys. Two great fucking wrestlers just going at it. Uh. And
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I would have been satisfied with whoever would have left this match. It just
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furthers the story with Drew at this point. Uh. You know, I
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totally think this man is going down a heel path. He's just he just
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can't get what he wants and eventually the man's gonna break. And I think,
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you know, you have that little ria over your shoulder talking to you.
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So it's very convincing. Yeah. Yeah, let's see where we well,
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I guess we'll talk about it at the end of the show, but
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we kind of know where Seth is going after this. Yeah yeah, good
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match, yep, yeah, yeah, that we do. And it I
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agree. It does seem like the real purpose of this match was more just
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a further Drew McIntyre's story, like, have a good match, but the
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story of this match was Drew McIntyre coming up short and what effect is that
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going to have on his psyche in terms of his seeming is seemingly progressive towards
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being a heel, so we'll see where that goes from there. So next
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up, we got Ria Ripley depending the Women's World Championship and a fatal five
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way match against SHANEA Bays, Naya Jacks, Rakhil Rodriguez, and Zoe Stark.
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So this match, in my opinion, had too many people in it.
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I think this match would have been much better had it just been a
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regular fatal four way or even a triple threat, because having this many people
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in it, everybody had to get a moment and it just kind of turned
32:28
into a bit of a spot fest, right as opposed to any type of
32:32
real storytelling or much time for much real wrestling or anybody to really showcase themselves
32:44
that much. It was just mostly like a spot fest that now, granted,
32:49
the spots that they pulled off were good, they were great spots.
32:52
Like I don't say that to say that, you know, the match itself
32:57
was bad because it wasn't. It was a good match, but it could
33:00
have been better with four people or even three. To me, the MVPs
33:07
of this match were Zoe Stark and Shana Basler. Shana Basler had the spot
33:12
of the match and arguably the spot of the night, Yeah, where she
33:16
had three submission holes at the same damn time. That spot was fucking dope,
33:23
Yeah, where she had what ria and one ankle luck or one type
33:30
of toe hold move, then she had Raquel on the side and then the
33:34
other one and there was choking out Nia Jacks Like. She looked like a
33:38
fucking beast in that moment. She looked like an absolute beast in that moment.
33:45
I was like, yo, whoever planning that out, give that person
33:47
a raise because that was fucking dope. And then Zoe Stark was just performing
33:52
her usual great self throughout the entire match. She didn't have like a standout
33:59
spot, but she did excellent work throughout the match and looked and looked strong.
34:06
Even though she was the one that wound up taking the pin. We'll
34:09
not take it the pin. She didn't take the pin, but she took
34:12
the rip tide from Rial Ripley from the middle rope on top of what Nia
34:17
Jackson Shana Basler, Yeah was it? Yeah, we're allowing Ria Ripley to
34:23
pin Shanna Besler to retain the title. But again, great match. I
34:29
just think if anybody could have been cut out of the match, much as
34:34
I hate to say, it could have been Nia Jacks, I think she
34:37
did the least them out in the match. She basically just kind of got
34:40
had a few moments where she'd come in do a little ring clearing and then
34:45
get whooped up on knocked out, and then the other ones went back to
34:49
work. This match probably could have been much better without her. I think
34:52
she didn't She probably brought the least to the match in my opinion. But
35:00
way, what did you think of the match? First off, you know,
35:04
I want to talk about their outfits. They you know, I joked
35:07
about it last episode, but as the years have gone with these crown jewels
35:15
and matches and these pap per views and Saudi, their outfits have changed and
35:21
they're no longer wearing the extra, extra, extra, extra, extra,
35:24
extra, extra extra large T shirts. They're not sending like Alexa Bliss out
35:31
and a bronze trooman sized T shirt anymore. So now they have like these
35:37
one piece jumpsuits very similar to like I don't know, like what Shinsky and
35:43
Knakimore would wear, you know, or gold Dust would wear, I guess,
35:47
but they're very They get to do their own unique, you know,
35:52
designs and colors with them, So I think it's pretty cool. I just
35:54
think I sweat like a motherfucker in that. Like I just like, man,
36:00
it's gonna be so hot in that, you know, those jumpsuits or
36:02
whatever they're wearing those outfits, but uh yeah, it's like little to no
36:09
skin. And you know, I'm gonna be honest with you guys, when
36:14
when the women go to Saudi and they wrestle in these outfits, you tend
36:20
to pay a lot more attention to the wrestling, right, It's just like,
36:25
oh god, there's there's a lot more actual wrestling in this match.
36:30
I noticed what was up with Rhea's like entrance. She had these those like
36:38
Undertaker green fog type of thing going on, right, and like all these
36:45
these guys came out with where they had like chalices or something like that that
36:49
were smoking, and there must have been what like thirty of them out there,
36:55
but they came out like individually and it was just very track and it
37:04
got Here's the thing, Dray is Like it got to the point where like
37:08
I was like, come on, come on, and then like I laughing
37:15
because it got hysterical because like they just kept popping up at it and it's
37:20
kind of like you know, oh, you don't mind if I bring my
37:22
cousin to the party. Oh and my other cousin and my other cousin.
37:30
There's like thirty of them and it's like kept popping up. But just like
37:34
DJ call another one, dude, Like I understand, like they were like,
37:40
oh, let's do like the Druids like with the Undertaker would be like
37:45
so cool, but instead of going all out at one time, we're going
37:51
to do it individually like high school graduation. It's like fuck uh. But
37:59
anyway, yeah, dude, this, like I said, this thing was
38:04
just gonna be a big old spot fast. Everybody was gonna get their licks
38:07
in. But I totally agree with Shane Bazler having the spot of the night.
38:14
Uh you know the highlight of that match with that that triple submission that
38:20
was so cool, so so cool. You know, you don't get many
38:27
good spots like that for submission moves. We've seen similar ones where they put
38:31
like two people in a submission move, but three and she had it like
38:37
the way she had her legs propped. I I you know, I was
38:39
like, oh, man, like that takes a lot of balance. That
38:44
was that was pretty cool. Yeah, and the girls did a great hell
38:49
of a job selling for yeah yeah down there, because they easily could have
38:52
like just phoned it in, just laid there like they were in pain,
38:54
but no, they were all selling the ship out of it too. Yeah
38:59
yeah, and like you know, soon as the match started, they all
39:04
went right after Naya. It's like, let's take her out because she rolled
39:09
out for for a hot minute, you know, some chicken shit stuff.
39:15
We got the super plex spots with you know, like the four women doing
39:21
the super super plex, which the women always do pretty well. You know,
39:28
it didn't look like I don't think it looked like Naya hurt anybody this
39:32
match, you know, thank god, you know, but I don't know
39:38
for a women's match. You know, it wasn't a complete hit show.
39:43
It's just too many cooks in the kitchen, you know. But I get
39:46
it. Maybe the point was to get as many women as they could on
39:52
the card. But you know, I think we all saw who's gonna come
39:59
out champion in this match. Now where Ria goes from here, you know
40:06
she will talk about it afterwards, sure he has, Now, well fuck
40:12
it, we'll just talk about now like there was a fatal four, they
40:22
had a rumble, a battle Royal ball and and Zoe Stark one as a
40:28
number one contender, which, oh my gosh, you know what, speaking
40:35
of that kind of rolls right in Well, actually, you know what,
40:37
before I get there, let's let's hear Carlos's opinion on this match, and
40:42
then we'll circle back to this, because it follows the question of the episode.
40:51
This match. I thought it was like, Okay, I think I
40:54
had made this known on the discord that I thought already having it be a
41:00
you know, five way, it was going to be too too much.
41:04
Yeah, they're probably like trying to clear out like Rhea's contenders or possible top
41:08
contenders all in one fell swoop. But then then they get into this whole
41:15
thing where they want to have a battle royal the next day and raw,
41:17
so it's they it's like they just threw like ship on the wall and they're
41:24
hoping that something will stake and something comes out of it. So the only
41:30
thing that was kind of like exciting to me was, like you mentioned that
41:34
spot with the submission was being put on three different people, two different people.
41:38
And then the spot at the end where she she takes a rook,
41:46
she takes Zoe, and Rio takes Zoe and does the rip tight on top
41:52
of raquel Or and she's pinning Shana, and then you know, that was
41:59
a pretty cool spot and very creative in my head opinion. But other than
42:04
that, I mean, it's just like, no, there's like nothing that
42:10
I think that any other person probably added. Like Nia Jacks, they brought
42:15
her back, She's supposed to be like this big intimidating person, and then
42:21
they really didn't do anything for her after she came out and like attacked for
42:23
like two or three weeks in a row, right, and then they're like,
42:28
oh, well, now you're gonna We're gonna put you in this final,
42:30
this fatal five way match, So just could have done without her.
42:36
Maybe it would have been better as a triple threat, where we would have
42:39
had maybe you know, Riha, Raquel and Zoe, But it's still kind
42:45
of like I would have preferred just to have like a one on one type
42:49
of match, right. This seemed like an excuse basically just to put their
42:55
top Raw women minus back e Lynch in a match again and have Rea defend
43:02
the title again finally, but not make anybody look weak, right because if
43:08
she because they want to make her and try to sell people that she's still
43:13
dominant because oh I beat four other women in a match. But yeah,
43:19
just wanted to kind of being a whole lot of nothing in the midst of
43:23
some good spots rather than really accomplishing anything, Like nobody really got elevated,
43:32
nobody really looked weak, if anything, is what we're about to get into.
43:38
The Battle Royal this past Monday on Raw did more for the women who
43:45
participated in that match than the actual Fatal five way, ignoring the fact that
43:50
it was kind of dumb to have a Battle Royal, right, after the
43:54
pl and it all basically just came down to the same women who were just
44:00
in the Fatal five Way wound up being the final competitors in the damn Battle
44:05
Royal Monday. That's got of some dumb booking, plus the new girl whose
44:08
name phil escapes me at the moment from the Creed brothers who associated with them,
44:14
which she had a pretty good show, huh. Ivy Nile, Ivy
44:19
Nile. Okay, yes, yes, so yeah. It was basically the
44:22
same five the same four women from the Fatal five Way plus her in the
44:27
end, which I mean, good for her, she makes she looks good,
44:30
having a strong showing in that match and making it towards the end before
44:36
standing outside of the ring for no goddamn reason, for an ex an ordinate
44:40
amount of time, just for a Nijacks to come snatch her off the rope
44:44
like that looked ridiculous, Like the other three are in the ring clearly staring
44:49
at Nijacks and you out on the outside looking at them, like get in
44:55
the motherfucking ring. What the fuck are you doing just standing there waiting for
45:00
I had to realize, oh shit, I need to snatcher off the rope
45:02
or Snatcher off the apron and then finally Snatcher was like, Okay, that
45:07
spot should have taken as long as it did, but it is what it
45:12
is. But the Battle Royal did, look it did make Shana. I'm
45:15
glad that it came down to Shana and Zoe. I am glad that those
45:21
two because those were about two faves going into that match, about two picks.
45:25
I'm glad that they didn't go with the big girls of Raquel, the
45:29
big strong woman of Raquel and Naya. Glad they got eliminated. Shana and
45:32
Zoe got the shine a little bit in the end. Work had a good
45:37
finish where you know, with Zoe kicking the crap out of the Shana and
45:44
then hitting her with what was in a nasty little d DT something yeah to
45:47
take her out. Yeah, Sea looks good, good showcase for them.
45:52
I'm like I said, I'm glad that those two were the final two in
45:55
the Battle Royal. Shana remains looking strong coming out of it. Zoe,
46:00
she's in the midst of a really good push. I think her and Ria
46:05
can have a really good match at Survivor series. This is again. Zoe
46:09
is a is a very good worker in the ring, and we all know
46:13
what Riea can do, So it's just a matter if Zoe just developing her
46:19
personality a little bit more, developing her character a little bit more. But
46:22
she's on her way and I like, I like what they're doing with it,
46:25
and I'm looking forward to the match. The question I have for the
46:30
episode that's it's actually retains to the last match, so I'll just wait to
46:35
the end. But yeah, I don't got nothing else to say about this
46:39
match. Wait, a lot of women got put on the card, so
46:45
good for them. Any final thoughts on the match, Carlos about oil or
46:54
no? We can just move on, all right. Well, after that
47:00
fatal five way women's match, we got John Cena facing Solo Socoa one all
47:06
one, and a match to see if John Cena could finally break his two
47:12
thousand plus day losing streak. The man ain't won a singles match since twenty
47:17
eighteen. Twenty eighteen. It was a whole different world back in twenty eighteen.
47:28
This man have been a loser since COVID and it didn't change the night
47:38
because he took an held solo. Admittedly, this is when I when watching
47:45
this pay per view, this is when I realized how tired I was,
47:47
because I absolutely dozed off halfway through and woke up to the little segment that
47:54
happened afterwards that we can just skip right over and pretend that didn't happen,
47:59
but had to rewind back to the finish. But for what I did see
48:04
of the match, it was it was a good match. I'm honestly surprised
48:07
that John Cena lost because the way they were playing up this losing streak in
48:12
the whole two thousand days, I really thought that he was gonna get the
48:15
win to sending the people home happy. Let him redeem himself as a top
48:22
as you know, as a as a winner and solo to me, doesn't
48:28
need to be protected that much. I think he can afford a loss and
48:31
still be solo, especially if somebody took the lights of John Cena. But
48:37
although I say that he can afford the loss of the likes of somebody like
48:39
John Cena, I also question whether him getting the win over John Cena is
48:47
really gonna do anything for him, because again, Johnsena is kind of a
48:53
loser now. So we saw what the win over John Cena did not do
49:01
for Austin theory at WrestleMania, like he got the win over John Cena,
49:07
and it did nothing for him. So my question to you all is does
49:16
John Cena's name carry the same weight that it used to in terms of building
49:25
up the next generation of superstars, Because, like I said, it did
49:34
nothing for Austin theory TBD whether it does anything for solo? So is John
49:43
Cena? Is John Cena starting to his his name starting to lose a little
49:46
bit of luster? What do you think, Wayne? And his name is
49:52
John c This is the sixteenth time heavyweight Champion of the World. This is
50:04
John Cena. You can see me, the doctor of Thugonomics, the multi
50:08
time main event WrestleMania. Fucking this is John Cena. Man. The goat.
50:16
That's what they will keep telling us though, right, The goat.
50:19
That's what they keep shoving down our throats. The goat, the goat,
50:22
the goat. The greatest of all time, I get it. But the
50:27
greatest of all time hasn't won anything in a long fucking time. Makes me
50:31
question when I go into my closet and I see all of my John Cena
50:36
shirts, and I realized, at this point in time in John Cena's career,
50:39
he's just being a fucking sad sack. Hello darkness, myle friend,
50:45
John Cena, what's wrong buddy? You've come to talk with you again.
50:50
Your career is going to shit because they vision softly. Don't retire. You
50:55
still have a few matches left India, John Cena, Please don't retire,
51:01
because where are you going from here? I don't want to see Johnston retire
51:07
just because he's still so fucking young. He still has some gas left in
51:09
the tank. He still can put over more guys. And for Solo,
51:16
I mean, come on, let's let's look at the big picture here.
51:20
Solo Sokoa beat John Cena clean with no title involved. He didn't do it
51:27
for the gold. Most people are doing it for the gold when you're going
51:30
against John Cena. But guess what, there was no title involved in this.
51:36
Solo. Guys straight up street cred for this John Steena. That's a
51:40
big fucking win for that guy. So you know, and I agree,
51:45
Drey, he definitely could have taken it out and it wouldn't have heard him.
51:49
Solo has such a good career thus far on the main roster since he's
51:52
been here, that he could take it in hell and from anybody. Definitely
51:58
John Cena. I mean, damn, Solo's gonna be on fire, Like
52:04
where does he go? I mean, He's gonna be one of the top
52:06
heels of twenty twenty four for sure. If there was ever a guy who
52:12
could you know, if he was on the same roster, who could be
52:17
a threat, I would say he'd be a good threat to a world title.
52:22
You know, you just beat John Cena clean. And you know now
52:28
with John Cena losing, everybody keeps saying that all these rumors about him retiring.
52:32
I'm just like, when are you gonna either a finish your Grand Slam
52:37
and just win the Intercontinental title for a couple of days, or when are
52:42
you going to break that sixteen time world title run? You know what's next
52:46
for John Cena? You know what's WrestleMania is. You know, it doesn't
52:53
seem like it, but for us wrestling fans, WrestleMania is right around the
52:58
corner for us, and I kind of want to know where John Cena's places
53:02
in all of this. But Carlos, what do you think. I thought
53:09
that this match, pretty much like you all have mentioned, really couldn't have
53:16
like affected Solo in any type of way, like, yeah, Solo is
53:23
like the enforcer of the bloodline for you know, for Roman reigns, but
53:29
he's not going for any titles or anything like that. So you could have
53:36
just have Solo take the hit and actually have John Cena win. But then
53:42
you also are coming across where is John Cena actually going to come back after
53:46
the sag strike is over? Because I feel I think what I've been reading
53:52
is that those are just like little like details that they need to hammer out
53:57
and as soon as that and like the actors are like should be ready to
54:02
go to wherever commitments they have, because the writers have been back for about
54:07
a month or a month and a half now, so those shows are pretty
54:12
much getting ready to rent back up as soon as the actors are ready.
54:15
So it kind of felt like it's like the match itself was like I feel
54:22
like it was kind of okay, did Johnsena had to take like eight or
54:27
nine or or ten something like that to some Owen spikes, No, because
54:32
he's not really, like, to me, a threat not only to Solo,
54:37
but you're not a threat to Rum and Rain, So there was no
54:40
point of having that type of excessive force quote unquote being used on him.
54:49
So it's like it feels like it should probably be like a rite off.
54:52
But yeah, if we see John Cena, we see John Cena and Friday's
54:57
SmackDown, then they're pretty much like, do we have super Sena back,
55:01
because now he's able to bounce back from that many some Owen spikes that he's
55:07
taken. So it's kind of like as far as like the wrestling match goes,
55:15
I give that, like maybe like a C, but like the whole
55:21
like psychology and everything of the match is kind of falling short, and I
55:25
give that, And that's so I guess that average is like a T.
55:29
So I wasn't really a fan of this match just because it's like, are
55:34
we going to get a solo a push to a championship, to a title
55:37
ever, or he's just going to be a lack you for ber Woman reigns.
55:42
Yeah, yeah, I see your psychology in it, and yeah,
55:45
ultimately this match and the outcome just kind of feels like a giant nothing burger.
55:50
Like the story was John Cena and his streak. The payoff seemingly should
55:55
have been him breaking is losing streaking, getting a win and having that that
56:02
feel good moment, but instead he just took another l So John Cena is
56:09
still a loser. He's slayter. Probably had the best losing streak in WW
56:15
history. Do you remember how like over he was when he finally won,
56:22
Like, all right, but Johnson, this is embarrassing. It's not a
56:28
shtick. I like, yeah, dude, Like I told Carlos, I
56:31
totally forgot about all this most spice, like the ridiculous amount of them,
56:37
and it just kept happening, and they just kept doing it, and I'm
56:40
just there clinging by John Cena shirt and I'm just like, he's already dead,
56:53
Like John Cena got buried, like my dead one doing the baron.
57:01
But mm hmm, that definitely felt like a right off type of finish,
57:06
Like we shouldn't see him anymore because like, if he show up on Friday
57:08
Night SmackDown and he don't sound like tone Loak, I'll call bullshit on everything.
57:16
If he's even able to talk at all people, they don't talk about
57:21
it. Who almost became his father in laws? Yeah, like but I
57:30
mean, yes, it is what it is. But man, you know,
57:36
we'll see if this, We'll see if this amounts to anything for for
57:37
solo moving forward. I have my doubts. Yeah, yeah, do you
57:43
know what kind of vibes I was getting from this match? I was getting
57:45
Maga versus johnsona vibes. You can see that, right, Like if you
57:52
go back and watch some old Maga Johnson because they want some good matches.
57:58
Yeah, hit a Umaga's type of splash from from the top ropes and then
58:04
I think he had like the turnbuckle splash on them too. Yeah yeah,
58:07
I mean that is I think Riki Shei's husin or maybe his brother. I
58:15
just recently talked about that, like at WrestleMania nine because that's when Rikichi had
58:22
come back come in as the head Shrinkers. Yeah, and I'm already gonna
58:27
We're gonna start in fourteen, so I have like it's like when you like
58:30
cram for an exam and like all that information just dissipates away from you and
58:34
then you can't remember when you need it. You knew it, then don't
58:37
remember it anymore. Yeah, Yeah, I was just kidding. There was
58:40
like those vibes. I was just like, oh man, Like I remember
58:44
watching like his feud with Umaga, Like I was like, I was just
58:49
getting those kind of same vibes. But yeah, not not not a ship
58:54
match. I was just like a ship storyline because where the how fuck do
59:00
you go from here? Man? Exactly? Carry on? But yep,
59:09
so that was that, and afterwards they we got a segment involving Mis TV
59:16
and as special guests the Saudi Arabian actor and comedian Ibrahim alha or al Jajah.
59:25
No idea who he is, look kind of like DJ Khaled. They
59:30
were interrupted by Grayson Waller who came out and they had his moment, his
59:35
back and forth with Mis. He wanted to turn into segment into the Grayson
59:38
Waller effect, and they went back and forth and YadA, YadA, YadA,
59:43
fight, beat down, stomps out the Saudi guest, skull crusher.
59:51
Finale, Saudi guest hits people's elbow, They celebrate, and we move on.
59:55
So the next match. I'm assuming y'all don't have anything to say about
59:59
that segment. Oh well, you know, I kind of, first off,
1:00:02
a huge fan, a huge fan of the miss. I dude,
1:00:09
I had no idea how the other guy was. I thought he was a
1:00:14
musician, and then I was like, I was like, maybe I could
1:00:20
google it, and then I was like, nah, nah, I'm good.
1:00:24
I was like, if it's very important, I'm sure Dre will look
1:00:29
it up who he is. But yeah, like no idea, But I
1:00:34
mean this is also this is uh, you know, more of the Miz
1:00:39
turning face trying to get trying to get over. So they've been working on
1:00:44
it slowly the past couple of weeks, two weeks here, So I don't
1:00:50
know, I just feel like this is also a stepping stone, another leveling
1:00:55
up for miss going back to being a face, because yeah, yeah,
1:01:02
that's kind of pretty much all this was a continuation of the Miz face turn,
1:01:07
which I am one here for. He deserves a good strong face runt
1:01:13
as long as as much as he's done in WW over all these years and
1:01:17
been the worker. Then the litmus tests for all the new guys to see
1:01:22
if they have it, if they can go toe to toe with the Miz,
1:01:25
you know, all the all the work he's put in over the years.
1:01:28
He deserves the payoff. Yeah. So like now that now that we're
1:01:31
on the subject of it, okay, So like there was a fatal four
1:01:37
away yesterday for a number of contender for the Intercontinental title. And Miss one.
1:01:44
Uh So it'sween Miss and Gunter the next pay per view. Uh So,
1:01:49
Like, do you guys believe like Miss regaining the intercontal title is a
1:01:57
possibility? Like I he's hell like eight was he an eight time intercontinental champion?
1:02:05
Like he would something like that. He's got a good number of yeah,
1:02:08
yeah, Like if this is like one of the last big things he
1:02:13
wants to do for his career, I think the Intercuntmental title is for him.
1:02:16
I don't think he's I don't think the WW title is enough. I
1:02:21
think the intercount Outside Intercutment title is the perfect one. And I think it'd
1:02:25
be a great way to catapult Miss's career back up to serious like, you
1:02:31
know, taking him as a serious competitor again not a joke. But I
1:02:39
don't know. I could just be he might just he might just get fucking
1:02:44
crushed and next guy. So I do I have hope for the Miss,
1:02:49
you know, for him to go back to his golden days at his peak.
1:02:52
He but uh, he might just get crushed by Gunther and then that's
1:03:00
it. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would not be mad if
1:03:07
he beat Gunter for the Intercontinental title. But I just don't quite see it.
1:03:14
Gultter is almost in that position of Roman that Roman's in now with the
1:03:19
WWE title, it's hard to see who's gonna be the person to finally take
1:03:23
him down. You would think that spot would be reserved for well, I
1:03:28
think we pretty much all know who's slotted in to take out Roman, presumably
1:03:35
be that excuse me, that person being Cody Rhodes, but Goilter. Given
1:03:43
that the Intercontinental title is still kind of a mid car title or that next
1:03:47
one up title, it's hard to see who that next person up is.
1:03:54
Yeah, because it seems like anybody who's really over or hogh like that is
1:04:00
being shot immediately to the main event. Like jay Uso, who didn't have
1:04:03
to he didn't have to work through the levels of as a singles wrestler.
1:04:08
He pretty much was catapulted to the top by proxy of being in the bloodline
1:04:14
and having matches with Roman. Same thing with Sammy's Ain, he was also
1:04:19
elevated by proxy, And everybody else just seems like they're too far down in
1:04:27
the mid card to be to pose a credible threat to Gunter, which,
1:04:32
by that logic, would seem to slot miss in perfectly because he may be
1:04:39
in the mid card, but he has enough credibility as a former, as
1:04:44
a person who's main event of the wrestle media, as a two time WWE
1:04:47
champion, multi time inter continental champion, he has the credibility to be mid
1:04:54
card like mid card plus like a slight step above mid card, but could
1:04:59
be also be a main event or at any moment, you know, the
1:05:03
other day, like the Miss, if you were to stay healed the perfect
1:05:08
stable, Like if you get Miss his own stable, you could put him
1:05:13
with Austin Theory and Grayson Waller, like those three assholes in one stable,
1:05:20
Like three arrogant fucking pricks in one stable. That would be one hell of
1:05:25
a That'd be a stable everybody would hate pretty sure. I'll be arrogant freaking
1:05:31
pricks. Yeah, probably be the perfect name for that stable. Their personality
1:05:35
is fit. The only slight hesitation I have with it is mis would kind
1:05:42
of come off as being the quote old guy in the stable. Yeah,
1:05:46
but dude, like it or not, that's where he's gonna add. That's
1:05:48
where he's didn't miss getting up there, dude, It's just he just hides
1:05:54
it very well. He's been for a long time he is the veteran guy.
1:06:00
Yeah, yeah, Like I mean, I know, like the talent
1:06:04
of those three guys, they could absolutely make it work without question. But
1:06:09
I feel like I would. I would see them, I'd look at them,
1:06:11
I see, Okay, these two young arrogant fucks and then the old
1:06:15
arrogant fuck. Yeah, but still that would be an awesome heal. And
1:06:18
then like you know, through Reese in there, you know, just as
1:06:24
a female character, you got yourself. I was thinking, Chelsea that you
1:06:28
do. Oh dude, Chelsea Green, Chelsea Green would fit in there.
1:06:32
Damn damn. There's a stable that I would fucking hate every week, giving
1:06:38
them every week bitch and complaint. This is they're done. Then judgment A
1:06:44
comes out. Bitch isn't complaint? I like it. Damn we're booking it,
1:06:49
guys, gonna go. As soon as we get off here, I'm
1:06:53
getting on my w W two K and I'm gonna switch some stables around.
1:06:58
I got a better stable idea. Oh man, all right, anyway,
1:07:02
carry on, all right. So yeah, we got that segment furthering the
1:07:10
Miz and him and his face turn. So after that, the next matchup
1:07:15
was Ray my Stereo defending the United States Championship against Logan Paul and this match
1:07:26
a good match. I can't really have no no real complaints about the match.
1:07:31
Logan Paul came out, showed again his natural aptitude towards this and shown
1:07:40
his The thing about Logan Paul that works, that's so good about him is
1:07:45
that even though he's barely he's wrestling like a small handful of matches each year,
1:07:53
you know, maybe what three maybe four matches if that. Every time
1:07:58
he's in the ring, you see growth in development. You can see like
1:08:02
a tangible development. It's not like, oh, he's doing the same stuff
1:08:06
he did last time. Like, No, he's adding something new to his
1:08:10
repertoire every time. He's showing another aspect of his ring skills every time.
1:08:15
This particular time, he showed great ring awareness and practically saving Ray's life off
1:08:24
of that springboard moon salt where he, you know, Rayler, like he
1:08:29
was about to totally eat shit and break his neck and then Logan Paul rushed
1:08:32
in and caught him. Now, you could also make us there's also something
1:08:36
to be said for the possibility that Logan Paul was not in position like he
1:08:42
should have been and therefore never should have had to save Ray in the first
1:08:45
place. You know, that is an argument that could be made, but
1:08:50
a lesser competitor would have been out of position and that would have been a
1:08:55
terrible botch. Like most wrestlers being out of position like that aren't always going
1:09:00
to have the awareness to realize they're out of position and in that split moment
1:09:06
rushing to make a save like that. So props to him for that,
1:09:12
and again the match itself being a good match, until again another dumb finish,
1:09:25
not in terms of the fact that Logan Paul hit Ray with the brass
1:09:31
knuckles to get the pen and become our new United States Champion, but more
1:09:36
so in the sense that Logan Paul's crony shows up, Orybuddy or whatever shows
1:09:42
up handsome brass knuckles, so that first attempt gets thwarted. Brass knuckles go
1:09:48
out the ring, Logan Paul's homie goes to go to them, and who
1:09:53
pops up over the over the guardrail. Santo's escobar stops him, goes he
1:10:00
picks up the brass knuckles, his buddy runs off, and rather than run
1:10:05
off after his buddy after Logan Paul's buddy to go whip his ass. No
1:10:11
Santos Askeabar makes a conscious decision to set the brass knuckles on the apron.
1:10:18
Yeah, fucking stupid. Who the fuck does that now? The only way,
1:10:26
the only way that segment makes any sense whatsoever, is if Santo's is
1:10:32
turning on Ray is if they revisit this on Friday. Ray looks at hisself's
1:10:39
dude, what the fuck, and we get the Santos He'll turn That's the
1:10:44
only way that makes any sort of sense. Anything short of that, that
1:10:47
was just the dumbest spot of the night and just ww blatantly questioning the intelligence
1:10:57
of their audience. Everything else outside of that good match, Yeah, with
1:11:03
one big giant shit staying on it. But Carlos, what were your thoughts
1:11:11
on this match? I enjoyed the match. It was a very good match.
1:11:15
I do appreciate that Logan Paul, sorry about that, decided to save
1:11:19
Ray's life after maybe he underestimated how far Ray was able to come off that
1:11:26
springboard. You know, sometimes you might lose your footing or the rope isn't
1:11:31
as a springy as you would like. You know, when they're probably walking
1:11:36
this through like either when they're plotting out the spots or anything like that,
1:11:44
so good awareness and making sure that Ray doesn't have another nick injury there.
1:11:50
But it was a you know, just like you mentioned Logan Pologies coming out
1:11:57
here, and he's just making it seem like anyone can just come up here
1:12:00
into the ring and just pull all of all of these moves. The only
1:12:04
thing if I had a trigger on him as far as like his performance is
1:12:10
like he is still trying to make that buckshot Lariot clothesline worked at Hangman Adam
1:12:17
Page does in aw it's still not being fluid. Like if he wants to
1:12:23
keep doing it, that's fine, but until you actually get it to be
1:12:26
more fluid, and I know it's it's kind of a like a tough type
1:12:30
of move to pull off. So I appreciate that he's like committed to making
1:12:35
it work, but it's still not working as fluid as when Hangman does it.
1:12:40
So the finish was kind of okay. I think when I heard you
1:12:45
guys talk about the preview here, you mostly all of you probably predicted that
1:12:50
Logan Paul was gonna win, and I also had agreed with that because it's
1:12:55
like this run with raymand stereo. If it wasn't Logan Paul that had beat
1:13:00
Ray for this title, it should have either been Santos after a He'll turn
1:13:05
and taking the LWO with him, or maybe Dom, like Dom finally decides
1:13:12
that he wants the n XT North American and the US title and probably just
1:13:18
merge both of those together. But yeah, it's a good uh, it's
1:13:24
I think it's a good call. Get the belt off Ray. I guess
1:13:28
Logan Paul has nothing else to do, no one to knock out or try
1:13:32
to set up another fight. Maybe he'll buy another Pokemon card and lose some
1:13:38
money on that because it's a fake. So everything's coming up Logan Paul.
1:13:43
So good for him, and as far as like, as long as he
1:13:46
keeps the work and he's committed to actually honing his craft there, I don't
1:13:51
mind him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you about him
1:13:58
and the that clothes line that he goes for. I noticed it in the
1:14:05
match itself. He I don't know if his knees buckled or something like that,
1:14:11
but there was like a like you said, it's not as fluid as
1:14:15
what Hangman out of Page does. He can easily just flow right from that
1:14:17
front flip right into the clothes line, whereas Logan he did the front flip
1:14:23
and noticeably paused almost like he had too much momentum or something like that,
1:14:29
and called himself then winning some clothes losses. Yeah, that you can still
1:14:32
see a little bit of the uh, a little bit of the new Benom
1:14:36
at times, and some things where he still needs to kind of polish his
1:14:40
craft a little bit at times. So yeah, and that regard, I
1:14:44
do agree with you, And yeah, it did make sense for for Logan
1:14:49
to win this match, And just now thinking about it, I almost kind
1:14:56
of wonder how much better than this could have been had been Logan Paul versus
1:15:00
Santos Escabar, and had he defeated Santos Escobar to become the US champion,
1:15:06
and you know, we would have gotten a good Santos, a decent Santos
1:15:11
Escobar run his ZSI champion then transitioning to Logan, and maybe that could have
1:15:15
done a little bit more, I mean as as United States champion, and
1:15:19
maybe those two back to back runs could have done a little bit for this
1:15:26
US title. But TBD, Wayne, what are your thoughts on the match?
1:15:31
I mean, the match yourself was great. Uh. You know,
1:15:36
Logan Paul is and is in good hands with with such a a senior member
1:15:42
of the roster like Raymond Stereo. Uh, you know, And I think
1:15:45
that's a big win for him as well, Like that's a way bigger win
1:15:49
than it would have been Santos Escobar and like way more heat too. He'll
1:15:54
get way more heat for this. And the way he went about it,
1:15:58
you know, he did it dirty. He did it with the brass nuggles.
1:16:00
Once again, somebody we don't even know who's part of his crew interfered.
1:16:08
I mean that was we discussed that. That's just guaranteed. Uh.
1:16:12
You know, now this title is going to be on the road, is
1:16:15
gonna get be It's gonna be on YouTube. It's I feel like Logan Paul's
1:16:19
the type of guy, like, you know, if he's wearing, if
1:16:24
he's willing to walk around that damn Pokemon card around his neck, what the
1:16:27
hell do you think he's gonna do with a WWE United States Championship. He's
1:16:31
gonna take it with him wherever he fucking goes. I mean, you gotta
1:16:34
look in that kid's eye like when he wants if you look when his pot
1:16:39
he gets Piro. Logan Paul gets Piro. You know, you look at
1:16:45
his face, man, like he is the happiest kid in the world.
1:16:47
This guy just this guy was a you know, I was watching his vines
1:16:53
years ago, like, and now this guy's a United States champion, you
1:16:59
know. He It just it sucks that, you know, I'm happy for
1:17:03
him, you know, because I'm not. I'm not disappointed in any Logan
1:17:09
Paul match that I've had, you know, I believe it or not.
1:17:12
I don't think I have been even when he loses, like he was against
1:17:15
Roman Reigns last year. He lost, but it was still a decent match.
1:17:20
I was entertained as all hell. You know, Logan Pol is always
1:17:27
willing to do riskier spots. He kind of reminds me of like a young
1:17:31
Shane McMahon, you know, willing to do these if he's spots. But
1:17:35
he's gonna be known more than jumping off of a cell and going coast to
1:17:42
coast. I think Logan Pol's gonna be remembered for a lot more than that.
1:17:46
But yeah, it just sucks that now you got two part time No,
1:17:53
not even that, I mean the universal title is part time right now,
1:17:59
you got the United States, it was definitely gonna be part time.
1:18:02
And then you got the tag team titles, which are they vary if they're
1:18:09
on or not. Well, that's not true. They're on judgment days on
1:18:15
every fucking every Raw and SmackDown. They're they're just they're not defending them on
1:18:25
a tag team level like they should. I don't know. And and then
1:18:28
you got the women's tag team, which goes from show to show. You
1:18:32
know, it just sucks, Like I'm not I I always saw as the
1:18:38
nice It was, yeah, very similar to the TV title, like the
1:18:41
title that could be defended on every episode. But my only guess is it's
1:18:49
gonna be a short run and Logan Paul is gonna lose it. And uh,
1:18:56
you know, unfortunately, with the outcome from somebody that later on tonight,
1:19:00
I have the perfect person to take that spot against Logan. So that
1:19:09
was the question I was going to pose to you all with Logan Paul being
1:19:14
the champ, and I agree with you, this does kind of put SmackDown
1:19:17
at a very poor position right now with their two top to two top titles
1:19:25
on the brand being held by part time competitors and Logan Paul and Roman reigns
1:19:32
basically right now, SmackDown unless Logan Paul is about to go on a extended
1:19:39
run with the company where he's showing up week after week. Yeah, you
1:19:44
do have SmackDown is almost without a champion, any champions right now on television.
1:19:48
So what the hell are we tuning into every Friday other than the ww
1:19:54
Women's title Like that? Is that now the top on the show itself,
1:20:02
that the only hope we have for title matches is in the ww Women's title
1:20:08
scene or you know, yeah, basically that kind of a sad position for
1:20:15
SmackDown to be in right now, which ADMITTEDLYWWE might not really give much of
1:20:21
a shit about at the moment, given that they're deal with Fox is coming
1:20:25
to an end, so they may be perfectly happy to let you know,
1:20:30
smack Down limp its way out the door for whatever remaining time they have left
1:20:33
on their deal with Fox. I would think not, but you know,
1:20:40
can't underestimate WWE's petty So but my question to you all is, with Logan
1:20:46
Paul being the new United States Champion, A, how long do you think
1:20:51
he holds the title? And B how many defenses of that title does he
1:20:58
make between and whenever he loses it. Man, I don't know, man,
1:21:06
this could be a transitional thing like the I mean, let's face it,
1:21:14
La Knight didn't come out. The outcome didn't come out the way he
1:21:17
wanted it, the way a lot of fans didn't want it. What better
1:21:21
way for that man to bounce back and stay on top and stay relevant than
1:21:29
taking the United States Championship off of a Logan Paul who has a lot of
1:21:33
heat right now and somebody who we know who's only gonna be here part time,
1:21:40
but not La Knight, not the guy who's willing to be there every
1:21:44
fucking week. And if he has the United States title, could you imagine
1:21:48
at that point in time having Ella Knight You're United States Champion, and having
1:21:55
Gunter as your intercontinent the importance of those two titles at that point in time.
1:22:02
It's very rare that those two titles to be that important and that hot.
1:22:09
But I don't know, they might take a completely different route. Nah
1:22:15
nah, I like what you're saying in the prospect of seeing, Yeah,
1:22:17
got is the intercon Champion on Raw, La Night is the United States Champion
1:22:24
on SmackDown, and again with romans part time you know schedule or part time
1:22:30
appearances that would more or less make La Knight the face of SmackDown. Man,
1:22:35
he'd be so like yeah, like dude, like he would just be
1:22:42
the champ like and then like you know, you could drag it out a
1:22:45
while and have them fewed again and be like, no, dude, like
1:22:49
I'm the champion of the show because I'm the one who's here, Like you
1:22:54
may be the Universal Champion, but I am the SmackDown Champion, like I'm
1:22:58
the United States Champion. Like that it would put it would bring that prestige
1:23:03
up and relevance up, like of importance, like the stop of the nicest
1:23:09
title up so high so quickly, and like like just right up there,
1:23:14
Raccoons history because Guther's inn run right now is so fucking important that it's becoming,
1:23:20
uh you know, a spectacle like oh my god, like Luther's fighting,
1:23:26
like let's figure out, let's find out who he's gonna crush this week.
1:23:30
You know, it's exciting. But yeah, he can ahead, Carlos,
1:23:40
Yeah, I mean I can. Only I was gonna mention that like
1:23:43
a little bit later, but uh, I felt like if Logan Paul uh,
1:23:48
has like a short run because of what happens later on, and you
1:23:54
know, spoiler for people that are actually probably like listening and they didn't watch
1:24:00
pl E like maybe Doyle, Uh look, l A. Knight loses to
1:24:05
Roman raigns. And I had discussed this with my friend online that I felt
1:24:12
that maybe the push for l A. Knight to go for Roman was a
1:24:15
little bit like quick, and maybe they should have given a mid card title
1:24:20
like the Intercontinental or the US title. So this probably seems like something that
1:24:27
would probably be more along the lines of him kind of like coming to the
1:24:30
rescue of the US title. And I agree that's probably like how it's probably
1:24:35
gonna end up, if not maybe a Survivor series, because it looks like
1:24:40
every champion is almost putting their belt on the line at Survivor Series, except
1:24:44
for like maybe Roman and Seth. So maybe we'll get that maybe at the
1:24:49
end of the year or maybe at the Royal Rumbo. Yeah, yeah,
1:24:57
kind of eye how we all basically just immediately defaulted to what I posed,
1:25:02
the question of how long is Logan Paul going to be the champion? Everybody
1:25:05
was like, yeah, he's about to drop that ship to La Night Champion,
1:25:12
right, which it makes sense. It makes for a great car,
1:25:15
a great match at the Survivor Series pl you know, especially since they want
1:25:20
to build this up to being on the same level of the Rumble WrestleMania Summer
1:25:27
Slam. They want to, you know, build it up as just a
1:25:30
strong up pillar of the Big Four as the other three. This is the
1:25:32
perfect match to do it, especially giving you that feel good baby face moment
1:25:39
of him winning the title. Both of those guys can work great magic on
1:25:45
the on the mic and have a hell of a few and get all the
1:25:48
hype behind it, like it would have so much momentum behind it, it
1:25:53
would just it would kind of be a bit of an awkward shift though,
1:25:58
given that depending on how they book it on this Friday SmackDown, Like if
1:26:02
they book it as Logan Paul comes out there to gloat, talk shit.
1:26:06
You know, I'm the CHAMPI YadA YadA, YadA, La Night. He
1:26:11
almost immediately just comes out there. It's like, Oh, you're just gonna
1:26:15
not even acknowledge the fact that you just took an l You just hop right
1:26:18
into the next one. That seems like a hard pivot to make. They
1:26:21
I think they do need to kind of figure out that transition for La Knight
1:26:25
from having just lost the Roman too now targeting Logan Paul. Hopefully they can
1:26:32
work that out and make that transition relatively seamless. But yet, but assuming
1:26:39
that that's the route they go down, and La Knight does become the US
1:26:43
Champion at say Sir Roberts series, he's in the prime position to be basically,
1:26:50
like I said, the top star on SmackDown. With Roman not being
1:26:56
there, La Knight would be there as the champion. He would almost be
1:26:59
like a de facto world champion. Yeah, give the top faced position he
1:27:04
would do. And with a good extended run with you know, there are
1:27:09
plenty of heels on him SmackDown for him to defend against in the feud with
1:27:14
he could do for that US title what Gunter has done for the Intercontinental title.
1:27:18
It was doing for it on Raw before they got a World Heavyweight championship
1:27:23
when the IC Belt was the top belt more or less on Raw because we
1:27:28
were hardly ever seeing Roman there. The La Knights in that prime position to
1:27:33
do the same thing for the US title. Yeah. So yeah, let's
1:27:39
hopeing I'm here for I'm here to see it. I hope they go down
1:27:41
that route. So it's actually a coincidence because Andrea wrote in on our website
1:27:47
to the show and she had a question to ask, would you like to
1:27:53
answer a question right at this particular time, would you like to do that?
1:27:57
Let me talk to all right? Well, it kind of we kind
1:28:00
of answered it because she wanted to know since you know, spoiler, yeah,
1:28:05
since La Knight Lou lost to Roman, who do you think l A
1:28:10
Knight will challenge next? And we want Lollian Paul God we booked so fucking
1:28:17
well, I'm gonna go downstairs and go to my two K game and I'm
1:28:20
gonna book this because it's so fucking good. But you know, ah,
1:28:28
oh yeah. What is the next match? The women's match? Yep,
1:28:33
yep, yep. Next up after next matchup was the women's match featuring EO
1:28:42
Sky defending the w W Women's World Women's Championship not World Championship, w W
1:28:46
Women's Title against Bianca Belare this match given? How Yeah, I'm gonna say,
1:28:59
I think this was the match to the night for me. I think
1:29:00
this was I think out of all the matches that happened, I think these
1:29:03
two kind of performed the best it slightly edges out Seth Rollins and Drew McIntyre
1:29:09
For me, Like I said, I thought this was these two really got
1:29:14
to cook it in the ring and we're doing great. I loved it up
1:29:17
until Bailey came out, which was inevitable. Obviously she was gonna come out
1:29:24
and you know, look great, always looks great. Always loved seeing Bailey.
1:29:29
So she came out and tried to interfere, and EO was clearly not
1:29:35
trying to see her out there, like, why are you here? Go
1:29:40
away? I really wish they would just kind of bringing this all to an
1:29:45
end with Bailey interfering, which appears to be the case that they may be
1:29:49
possibly going with because not only did Bailey show up in interfere in the match,
1:29:58
we also saw the ritur of Kyrie Saying, who showed up and helped
1:30:03
take out Bianca Bella Laire, enabling Eoskuy to hit her Moon Salt and get
1:30:11
the three count to retain the WWE Women's Championship. So with that being said,
1:30:23
where does this leave damage Control? Now? Clearly Eosky is much happier
1:30:30
to see Kyrie Saying than she is to ever see Bailey interfere in one of
1:30:35
her matches. For those who may not be up on their history, Kyrie
1:30:44
Sane, when last seen in WWE, was taken out by none other than
1:30:48
Bailey, and that seemed to show itself in Bailey's reactions to seeing the return
1:30:55
of Kyrie saying because she looked rather distraught. And there's also the question of
1:31:03
where does this leave Bianca at now because she lost another attempt to get the
1:31:10
title back. She said she going into this match she had a goal of
1:31:15
taking out Damage Control. Well, she now either has another person in Damage
1:31:20
Control to contend with or just another threat period to contend with in the form
1:31:25
of Kyrie Sane, and they clearly beat the dog shit out of her after
1:31:29
the match. So does Bianca seek out some help? Does she recruit anybody
1:31:36
to her? No, I'm not trying to tease Jada's j Cargill joining up
1:31:40
with Bianca. I still don't think it's time yet for j Cargill. But
1:31:45
there's a lot of questions coming out of this match in terms of where this
1:31:48
where all this is going to go. But like I said, but the
1:31:53
match itself thought it was a good match. Both these women are excellent performers.
1:31:58
Again, my two phase the same match, So you know, that
1:32:01
may be biasing my opinion a little bit, but I thought it was a
1:32:04
really good match, and I did enjoy this match, and I'm looking forward
1:32:08
to seeing what we get moving forward in this one. Wayne, what are
1:32:13
your thoughts? You know what, this match was pretty good. Definitely way
1:32:18
better than the other women's match we got, for sure. I definitely enjoyed
1:32:25
this one way better. Oh man, it just furthers the story of Damaged
1:32:30
Control is damaged Control, you know, beyond fixable at this point? Are
1:32:38
they too damaged? You know because Kyrie with Kyrie saying back into the picture,
1:32:48
there's been rumors right off the bat with like, oh they might form
1:32:53
a stable with you know, Kyrie and EO and Oscar might form like this
1:32:59
big stable and U lead Damage Control and like, you know, the feud
1:33:02
with the remaining members of Damage Control. H I don't know, it is
1:33:10
making it interesting. Uh, It's definitely a nice change of pace of what
1:33:14
we begin with Rhea. Uh. This is definitely interesting this storyline because also
1:33:20
Beyonce bell Air is like, yeah, where does she go? Like she
1:33:25
tried and you know, was unsuccessful of capturing the title again. So where
1:33:32
does she go from here? Uh? You know, I think the heel
1:33:36
turn and her joining you know, montes for it at joining that upcoming stable.
1:33:45
And you know I heard that they might add about to say you really
1:33:51
think she's going to join despite them having it's might being be fab showing interest
1:33:57
because I'm not opposed to having multiple women in one stable because that makes them
1:34:02
even more of a thread. Yeah, because because like that, no exactly,
1:34:11
but that would be that would be something vastly different, you know,
1:34:15
maybe uh, you know, you have them hold something that would be important,
1:34:21
would be like the women's tag titles. And I know right now they're
1:34:24
a fucking joke, but not if they're in the right hands and in a
1:34:27
stable that holds all the gold. Uh. I feel like it would be
1:34:32
the same if if there was another female judgment day, they would probably hold
1:34:35
the female tag you know, the women's tag titles. M h. But
1:34:42
anyway, uh, you know, once again, the women have awesome outfits.
1:34:48
Did see a lot of people complimenting Bailey's outfit. It shows off some
1:34:56
of her Uh yeah, what what a what a good match. But you
1:35:04
know, an end to a feud hopefully, and I don't know where or
1:35:12
who Kyrie is gonna or not Carrie is gonna feud with next Well, actually
1:35:17
didn't we get a I guess not not yet kind of don't know, no,
1:35:24
we yeah, we don't have any indication of who her next opponent.
1:35:29
What would be sort of maybe this with Bianca continuing, because that's kind of
1:35:36
seems to have been the story for the moment, is that Bianca is set
1:35:40
to take out uh Damaged Control. Seems to have a real vendetta against them,
1:35:46
specifically for you know, what they did to herself. Assume that this,
1:35:49
even though she lost the title, that wouldn't stop Beyonca's quest for revenge
1:35:56
against Damage Control. She just may have another excuse me, another person to
1:36:01
contend with in the form of Kyrie. Say, but yeah, like I
1:36:08
said this, it is very interesting because Kyrie Saane's appearance is given Damage Control
1:36:14
of Damaged Control a much needed shot in the r of intrigue, especially with
1:36:19
Dakota Ka still being sidelined with her ACL coming from her ACL injury, and
1:36:25
she's not slated to return to action to sometime in twenty twenty four. But
1:36:31
anyho, Carlos what you had on this match. I thought it was a
1:36:38
good match. I thought it was obviously better than the women's matches because it
1:36:42
was not as crowded in the ring. But I think it didn't do itself
1:36:50
well. Hunter didn't do it do it any favors by booking it right after
1:36:57
Ready Mystereo and Logan All, because you know, how do you you need
1:37:03
that cool off match right after that match? But I guess you then you
1:37:09
have to actually predict that there it's going to be a hot match, you
1:37:12
know, the tough match to follow and things like that. But if you
1:37:17
don't put it here, then what do you do? You put it right
1:37:20
after the Cody Roads and Damien Priest match, So other than like where it
1:37:27
actually went into the slots, I thought this match played out pretty good.
1:37:32
I was I know, we had a speculated that Ayrie was going to be
1:37:38
coming back, and just because of the whole I'm not sure I was saying
1:37:44
that I wasn't sure how the Saudi crowd would actually want that, because you
1:37:49
know, like Kyrie is, you know, one of these women that had
1:37:58
like a very great story career before she joined NXT and ww in over there
1:38:04
in Japan, with her stardom and a career and things like that, but
1:38:12
it hasn't really like she's gained a following. But it hasn't been one of
1:38:15
those things where it has helped. When she was brought up from NXT to
1:38:21
the main roster, she had to be paired up eventually with Asca and then
1:38:26
they had those Kabuki tag team going on. So I guess I don't know
1:38:34
how to book things because they brought in Kyrie, and you know, it
1:38:38
ended up being like a good surprise to me and also other people and to
1:38:43
Bailey because of the connection that you had mentioned that Bailey is the one that
1:38:47
had quote unquote put her out of commission. So now we have Kyrie and
1:38:57
ye O the Sky Warriors I believe reuniting here. And who does Eo choose
1:39:05
the partner that she's had when she was over in Japan and has some common
1:39:11
ground or the stable that's been keeping her as champion. So as far as
1:39:18
the storyline in the in the match, there really wasn't really anything there that
1:39:25
I was more interested in. It looks like it was more about the postmatch
1:39:29
thing, and that's that's kind of a sad thing to think about. Because
1:39:33
you know, Bianca has been like such a workhorse for the company for a
1:39:39
long while, and now it seems like she's just like a little side story
1:39:44
in this title chase, it might opinion. Yeah, yeah, you reminded
1:39:49
me about just how dead the crowd was for this match, despite how good
1:39:53
the match itself was, and I was, Yeah, I remember being upset
1:39:56
about that too, because I'm like, I'm watching the match and I'm like,
1:40:00
these women are it is ringed cooking right now, and the crowd is
1:40:03
just dead, like they're barely reacting to anything, and I'm just like,
1:40:11
fuck y'all, y'all don't have no good shit when you see it. Like
1:40:15
if they were, if they were to have moved things around on the card,
1:40:18
they could have flipped this match and the fatal and the women's fatal five
1:40:23
way match and put this match afterwards. Let Biaka and EO have the earlier
1:40:30
spot. But I mean, like you said that, on a card like
1:40:34
this that has so many crowd favorites, the crowd's going to run out of
1:40:40
steam at some point, and unfortunately it happened to fall on Biaka and EO,
1:40:44
which I hate that for them, but they still did put on a
1:40:47
great match and just a point, just another point of note. Uh.
1:40:55
Eo and Kyrie's relationship isn't just limited to Japan. They also were together in
1:41:00
Lucha Underground for a while in the Leather early twenty tens, so yeah,
1:41:05
they really go back, and that's kind of it's that connection that's kind of
1:41:09
fueled people's speculation for like another I guess an all Asian women staple of like
1:41:16
the Black Lotus triad or something of that nature, because that's what existed in
1:41:21
Luca Underground, but it was Eo, Kyrie and two other women who are
1:41:28
not with WW now, and some people are thinking that Oscar could slide in
1:41:31
as a third spot, and who knows if would they just be a trio
1:41:38
that they could like, it could just be a trio Black Lotus tried if
1:41:42
he wanted to do that, or if they wanted to add a fourth and
1:41:45
be super cliche as you know, another Asian woman in the fourth there's Nia
1:41:50
Yim who's on SmackDown and kind of not really doing much with the OC other
1:41:58
than just being there. So if they want to slot her in, it's
1:42:01
something more substantial, even though she's not Japanese's Mia Yim is just Asian American,
1:42:12
so I don't know how well of a fit it would be other than
1:42:15
just pure appearance and that I kind of don't like or don't necessarily want to
1:42:19
see. It seemed it would seem more logical if they are going to do
1:42:24
that, to just keep it to the three of EO, Kyrie, and
1:42:28
Oska. But that's part of the intrigue and why this Kyrie Saane's return.
1:42:33
It seems to have far more interest this time around than it did and her
1:42:39
previous time on the main rosters because of these prospects and people's faith and Triple
1:42:46
H's booking and that he will do something more substantial than what with these women
1:42:50
than what Vince did when he held the keys. So we shall see moving
1:43:00
forward. The fifth match. Out the fifth match, I'm sorry, the
1:43:04
second to last match, we saw Cody Rhodes facing Damian Priest one on one
1:43:13
just because they don't like each other and top face, top heel. This
1:43:21
was about as milk toast, basic vanilla of a match as you could get.
1:43:29
Not that it sucked, it just was. It went down pretty much
1:43:34
exactly how anybody who's been watching either of these two would expect it to go
1:43:40
down. They wrestle, they beat the crap by of each other, a
1:43:45
little bit of interference from the other Judgment Day guys, and super Cody overcomes
1:43:49
it all and gets to win. Yay, what else? It really ain't
1:43:57
much else to say about it. This match really could have just not happened
1:44:03
on the show. This just again feels like we got these top guys,
1:44:09
we can't have them not be on the pay per view, so put them
1:44:12
in a match with each other, and this is This felt more like a
1:44:16
stepping stone match to get to where we currently are with war Games versus a
1:44:25
match that actually had any real meaning to it. This felt more like a
1:44:32
stepping stone And I really wish Damian Priest would have won this match. He
1:44:40
kind of I feel like he kind of should have won this match to help
1:44:44
preserve his status as one being a credible threat as a person holding the money
1:44:48
in the bank briefcase and two cold him as a credible threat as a top
1:44:53
heel in his own right, and not just a top heel because he's in
1:44:58
the Judgment Day. He needs to get like some actual wins in one on
1:45:02
one matches and not just be the guy who coming in and tag matches,
1:45:06
hitting South of Heaven and getting the pen. So but they seemed and Cody,
1:45:15
Cody can afford a loss to somebody not named Roman Reigns or Brock Lesner.
1:45:23
He can afford to take a loss and he will still be a top
1:45:26
babyface. He will still be the guy that everybody is expecting to defeat Roman
1:45:30
Rains at wrestlemedia. He could have lost this match and it would not have
1:45:33
hurt him all at all, but nope, Cody's the top guy. He
1:45:40
seems to has to be protected, I guess or something. But yeah,
1:45:45
I just did not I did not like the fact that Cody won this match
1:45:48
because I felt like he didn't need to. But uh, Carlos, what
1:45:55
were your thoughts on this match? Yeah? I thought that this match was
1:45:59
okay. Uh didn't really feel like it's kind of necessary for them to have
1:46:06
this match. Besides, like you know, they just Cody doesn't like Damian,
1:46:13
Damien doesn't like Cody. They're getting each other's business, blah blah blah.
1:46:16
This is this is more like a raw match that you have, like
1:46:19
it's the main event raw type of thing, because like they keep building this
1:46:25
whole Cody Roads has to finish his story, but he's on the wrong brand,
1:46:30
like Roman Reins is on SmackDown. But does it matter that Cody Rhoads
1:46:36
is still here. I'm wrong and he's not even he's not even challenging like
1:46:43
seth Rollins for the belt, and it's like this whole thing where it's like
1:46:47
he has to finish his story. He has to finish, so like Cody
1:46:50
doesn't go for any titles. He just goes there and it's like he's like
1:46:56
this like he's like a Superman version or you know, like he's like,
1:47:00
well, I'm here for truth, justice in the American way. I'm going
1:47:02
to make sure that all the heels don't get all the powers. So yes,
1:47:10
only without the homicidal tendencies. But yeah, it's like it doesn't like
1:47:15
it doesn't make sense for this match, like storyline wise, and it's just
1:47:23
pretty much like I feel like it doesn't do any justice to Damien either,
1:47:28
because Damien, you know, he is senor money in the bank and you
1:47:32
know the way like they're supposed to be like kind of piping them like every
1:47:36
other person who wins the title of mister Money in the bank is that,
1:47:44
you know, there's supposed to be a threat at any time, and every
1:47:46
time we've seen Damien try to cash in something or someone's got in his way,
1:47:53
it's like they are like, well, we kind of fucked up with
1:47:59
we were doing it with Austin theory. How can we like do it even
1:48:05
more worse with Damian Priest. I don't know, let's find out. So
1:48:13
this, uh, the match itself was okay, it's just like the standard
1:48:16
match, you know, hell trying to win, he'll gets help. But
1:48:23
guess what, Cody Rhodes baby baby Face Supreme ends up coming up on top.
1:48:29
And that's it exactly. Wayne. What are your thoughts? Well,
1:48:39
you know what, Uh, I guess Damian Priests and he's like I said
1:48:45
before with me not taking Damian Priest very serious as the next world champion.
1:48:53
I guess he needs to start doing singles matches. Hunt. But it makes
1:48:56
sense that this guy didn't have the tag titles on him. I mean,
1:49:01
it's great that he hasn't it all, but if you want to take him
1:49:06
serious as a singles competitor, this man needs to have singles wins. He
1:49:12
has to drop the tag titles to be It sounds so stupid when you say
1:49:16
it, but he needs to drop drop the tag titles to be taken more
1:49:20
serious. You know, I just think that the tag titles were just given
1:49:27
to the two wrong guys. I think if they would have maybe I have
1:49:31
had JD McDonough ever part of the faction, him and Finn since their buddy
1:49:38
buddy would have been a good tag team. But anyway, you know what,
1:49:43
they could also probably do sur an interrupting. You know how we had
1:49:46
that run where a tag team partner would be hurt and then the other person
1:49:53
would just sub in. Then they would either win or lose the titles.
1:49:57
Why don't we get something like that where like Damien kind of like is unable
1:50:00
to perform and he's like, oh, I can't go on someone. Finally
1:50:05
JD McDonald accept you as part of judgment. They go in there and hold
1:50:11
it on to our titles, and that's how you would probably get that belt
1:50:14
off of them. We've had precedents for that before, so let's actually use
1:50:18
it in a good spot instead of the ways they've been doing it before.
1:50:26
Yeah, yeah, you're making sense right there. Yeah, you guys,
1:50:31
we'll go ahead finish your thoughts Wayne. Yeah, so like and then when
1:50:35
Cody rhoades, it's like, you know, gotta finish the story. And
1:50:42
it is a full year, that's what it is. Full year of Cody
1:50:45
not going somehow. We're just gonna keep him on the other roster, but
1:50:49
we're gonna keep him away from the world title for a picture. He had
1:50:54
his shot, he didn't win it in the very beginning, and that's it,
1:50:59
Like he got root over by brock Lesner and since then he's just he's
1:51:04
been just trying to earn our respect. I guess for a full year beating
1:51:13
you know, I guess, like, yes, Cody Roads has a lot
1:51:15
of big wins in other companies in ae W, but I guess when he
1:51:21
came back, it's like, you know, you want to be put in
1:51:25
the main event. You're gonna need a couple more wins. You're gonna need.
1:51:28
You know, we're not gonna go off all of your credibility that you
1:51:30
built. An aw like brock Lessner was a great win for for Cody Rhods.
1:51:36
You know, uh, I think getting over Damian Priest that that's I
1:51:47
don't know, he's a hot wrestler right now. Guy one half tag team
1:51:51
title. His guy's got more shit than he can carry every time he comes
1:51:56
out. Trade it all in for one nice belt, right, you got
1:52:01
all this crap you're carrying with you. But also, like you know,
1:52:04
I discussed it before, the lore of the money in the bank briefcase.
1:52:09
I mean, once that's gone, it's not special no more like if you
1:52:13
win or lose, like it's just it's if you lose, you're nothing.
1:52:17
You're not money in the bank winner anymore. You're not a world champion.
1:52:21
You're nothing if you lose. But as long as he holds onto that briefcase,
1:52:27
he is a fucking somebody. You know. That's that, And he
1:52:31
can't have that taken away from him until he cashes in. You know,
1:52:35
he's not stupid, he's not gonna put it up for grabs. But I
1:52:40
just don't I just don't believe that he's ready, not yet. No,
1:52:48
he doesn't come off as credible because, as as I mentioned in our preview
1:52:54
episode, they've squandered the momentum that he had been building up through earlier this
1:53:00
year. Yet he had the great match with Bad Money at Backlash, and
1:53:05
he got got him a whole lot of rave and praise for that. Then
1:53:10
he followed that up with winning the Money in the Bank briefcase and what was
1:53:14
a really good match, So now he's got that going, and since then
1:53:19
he's not had any significant singles wins. He became a tag team champion with
1:53:28
Finn and is seemingly being well, I don't know if it's manipulated or just
1:53:36
subservient to Rhea Ripley and the Judgment Day faction, and then also doing all
1:53:42
these fake castions that don't amount to anything. So yeah, all that kind
1:53:48
of is slowly but surely killing his credibility as a world title contender. They've
1:53:57
got, They've really kind of gone the opposite direction in terms of building him
1:54:01
up as that legitimate contender. Now pretty much all he has is the fact
1:54:05
that he's missed their money in the bank and that he's the guy who's probably
1:54:11
going to finish off their opponent and a tag team match, but can't get
1:54:15
the win in a one on one match. So yeah, it's he's losing
1:54:24
his credibility and he needs so he needs to start packed stacking up some singles
1:54:30
wins or something to build himself back up, which is why I think he
1:54:34
should have been the one he should have gotten the win in this match with
1:54:39
Cody, because that could have immediately re established him as it can as a
1:54:44
top contender with that briefcase, could have immediately re established him as a threat,
1:54:49
Like if this guy can beat Cody, he can damn show beat Seth
1:54:55
because those two. You could argue back and forth who's more protected right now
1:55:00
between Cody and Seth, But either way, they're clearly the top two faces
1:55:06
on Raw right now, So if you can beat one of them, you
1:55:11
can beat the other. And apparently Damien Priest can't beat one, So what
1:55:15
credibility does he have that he can beat the other, especially if he's got
1:55:20
the logic of I'm going to cash in after a match with Damien with Drew
1:55:27
McIntyre, but not cash in after a last man fucking standing match. Yeah,
1:55:38
yeah, Well, any other final thoughts on this match, I got
1:55:41
nothing. No, We're good to go right on to the main event,
1:55:46
to the main event, which featured Roman Reigns taking on the person everybody is
1:55:58
chanting mister l a yeap for the undisputed WWE Universal Championship. They really need
1:56:13
to drop some those fucking names off of it. Goddamn it, that's drop
1:56:16
the damn undisputed. It ain't undisputed no more. There's another one on raw.
1:56:23
There is a dispute. Dispute exists here, so yeah, but they're
1:56:30
still holding on this shit. At least at least he's coming out in one
1:56:32
belt now. At least he ain't dragging fucking the other two belts with him,
1:56:38
so at least he's at least we've we've gotten there, so I guess
1:56:41
progress. So this match was the second time that I dozed off watching the
1:56:48
pay per view about shit. I don't know, I don't know when to
1:56:54
fuck they're in the match. I fell asleep on this one. Honestly.
1:56:57
I just remember having to rewind, and I rewound back to a certain point
1:57:00
where I thought I was the last I saw him, and then watched the
1:57:03
finish. But what I did see it was a good match. It did
1:57:10
kind of play out, not quite as I had forecasts in the preview episode
1:57:18
where I compared La Night and Roman Reigns to Sting a flare class of the
1:57:26
Champions. One didn't quite fully play out like that, but still kind of
1:57:30
did because you know, coming out of the first class of the champions.
1:57:38
Sting lost, but he gained a lot in that loss. He gained credibility,
1:57:44
he gained His star rose even higher than it had been before. He
1:57:48
went from being just the hot guy that's popular to being a true top baby
1:57:59
face and somebody that people could look at and see as Okay, one day,
1:58:04
that guy's going to be champion. And I think that did happen for
1:58:10
La Night in this match. I think he did go from just being the
1:58:14
new hotness to now maybe not fully there, but definitely on the path of
1:58:20
being a true top baby face. He's definitely on that path now, He's
1:58:27
definitely in that lane going down that road now. It did still, aside
1:58:34
from that aspect of it, I think this match just pretty much played out
1:58:39
like every Roman Reigns title match has played out for the last two or three
1:58:45
years. He wrestles, he's dominant opponents, starts to get the upper hand.
1:58:54
Insert judgment date, I mean, insert bloodline interference. Roman hits a
1:58:59
Go hits the spear, gets the win, walks out. Champ like when
1:59:04
is like, yeah, it's spear repeat Yeah, Like it's not that it's
1:59:15
bad, it's just the same. It's the same good. But never great
1:59:26
and the matches, and which is kind of wild given that earlier this year
1:59:30
we were absolutely raving about Bloodline Man Event matches, but they were more so
1:59:35
because of the story that was being told through the matches. That's what was
1:59:41
making those matches so special. Earlier this year, the Roman versus Sammy's Ain
1:59:46
match, the Roman Kevin Owens match, and the Rumble Roman and Cody like
1:59:53
that trio of matches was special because of the storyline going into those matches.
2:00:00
Now that there's not really much storyline going into these Roman matches, at least
2:00:05
not this one, they just don't feel that special. They just kind of
2:00:12
the without the luster of a storyline. The they're kind of exposed as being
2:00:17
just the bland repeat formula that they have been, which is kind of not
2:00:27
good and kind of more of a sign that, yes, probably about if
2:00:32
this thing don't get a shot in the arm soon, it may be time
2:00:36
to end this Bloodline thing. It's really looking more and more like it's run
2:00:42
its course and it ain't gonna be helped if the rumors are true, and
2:00:47
this is and we don't see Roman reigns anymore this year, that damn show
2:00:53
ain't gonna help it at all. But Wayne, what'd you think of this
2:01:00
main event? Like talk about a storyline that was really believable because of how
2:01:10
just how stale Roman Reigns has become as a champion. Excuse me, I
2:01:16
thought I saw a post recently discussing how long hul Cogan was champion and how
2:01:23
many defenses he titled defenses he had as championed compared to Roman Reigns his title
2:01:30
run is it's ridiculous, And this is I know, it's when you talk
2:01:33
about hug Hogan, Yeah, fourteen hundred days and had like four hundred and
2:01:38
fifty eight title defenses, whereas Romans that like just shive twelve hundred days and
2:01:44
only had I think fifty eight or four or fifty something title defenses. We're
2:01:49
talking like this year single ditches like holy shit, like just being able to
2:01:58
get away with that for modern day era, like you know, and to
2:02:02
think there was a time where we didn't have a world title like that wasn't
2:02:08
too long ago, kids, Like we were stuck with just this fucking thing,
2:02:13
just just Roman having both titles for three years and it's just so bland
2:02:18
and boring because it's just like he's being everybody. You know, you know,
2:02:25
aj Styles smashed them, Cody Roads smashed them, USO's you know,
2:02:30
Jay Uso smashed them like you know, you know, Seth Rollins smashed them.
2:02:36
Then he went to wrong got his own title like everybody. Everybody brock
2:02:42
Lesnar smashed them, and you know who's left. We all know where this
2:02:48
is going. It's going to Cody Roads at Wrestlming. That's where it's leading
2:02:51
to. And and then the thing that sucks about that is it makes his
2:02:58
story boring until then, until leading out to WrestleMania. If he defends it
2:03:02
at all between now and then, it's gonna you know, he's gonna he's
2:03:05
gonna retain it. It's just boring. Uh, It's just it was so
2:03:11
believable with La Knight, just because of how hot he is. But knowing
2:03:15
that falling down that tree, the branch that he can grab is the United
2:03:18
States title and that's gonna keep him and we discussed it earlier, it's just
2:03:23
like super relevant. So he's not gonna heard from this at all. The
2:03:27
fact of the matter is this guy was a man. He was made a
2:03:31
manager. Guys last year, not even a year ago. I think he
2:03:35
was, he was a manager, and now this guy was, you know,
2:03:40
main eventing a Saudi show. Uh. And the Sauni show has been
2:03:45
like you know, last year, it looks like Logan Paul got that opportunity.
2:03:49
It seems like guys like this too. You you know, I don't
2:03:55
expect them in a WrestleMania main event. You know, this year next a
2:04:00
good place to give him a nice dry run. He's a a Saudi show,
2:04:05
so uh, you know Ella Knight being in the just being where he
2:04:11
was in the main event with Roman Reigns, Like this guy has gotten all
2:04:15
the way to the top. I get that's honestly, like in this business,
2:04:19
that's as fast as you're gonna go in Like in less than one year
2:04:24
from being a manager a mouthpiece to you know, the main event of a
2:04:30
pay per view against the underspeeded champion. Like, yeah, he didn't win,
2:04:35
but this man's story is not over. You want to talk about a
2:04:39
story that's actually interesting, the one that you know, the everybody's interested in.
2:04:45
It's La Knights. It's not Cody Roads. His story was last year.
2:04:49
I'm sorry, I'm just not as into the hype this year as I
2:04:56
was before. By l A. Knight it's a whole different story because I
2:05:04
think that's because La Knight is the new hotness right now and Cody. You're
2:05:10
not into Cody's story right now because Cody doesn't have a story right now.
2:05:15
Yeah, So the second he pivots back to focusing on Roman and the WWE
2:05:19
title, Everybody's going to be right back into it and right back on the
2:05:25
whole completing the story, because think about it, we're talking about Cody finishing
2:05:30
the story, and that is something where how often does that get even brought
2:05:34
up on television? I think it was brought up maybe once in recent weeks,
2:05:40
but other than that, they don't really talk about Cody finishing the story.
2:05:44
It's the fans that talk about that more than anything. So that goes
2:05:46
to show that there's still interest in that story just because fans keep bringing it
2:05:51
up. La Knight. I don't know that La Knight even has a story
2:05:56
right now. He's just the new hotness and it's just everybody's here for his
2:06:04
I guess his ascension or just just riding the wave of his popularity right now.
2:06:10
But I don't know that there's a story there for l A. Knight
2:06:17
and again that's not that's not a knock on him. But yeah, as
2:06:21
far as like again the words story, I don't know where that exists for
2:06:28
l A. Knight at the moment. Good talk. Yeah, I mean
2:06:36
like like we totally agree. It's just like what do we do. It's
2:06:45
like they want to keep the bell on Roman, And is it because we
2:06:47
want to keep the bell on Roman for Cody to take it? Probably,
2:06:51
But it's like they're in like some type of limbo because you can't have Roman
2:06:59
lose the belt, but you still have to have like some type of carrot
2:07:04
to dangle in in front of the marks to you know, we can't say
2:07:10
no longer by these pay per views, but you know, like a reason
2:07:13
to watch. So you know, this was the most I guess excited for
2:07:18
a Roman Reigns match probably someone's been since probably WrestleMania was a night too.
2:07:27
So I mean, how long are they going to keep the belt on them
2:07:33
for? Is it for like next WrestleMania forty, whether it's Cody or somebody
2:07:41
else, or are they gonna they're gonna have them drop it? You know
2:07:46
before then like get like of I can't stay fast lating because they renamed that
2:07:53
one or they moved it back, but you know some pay per view,
2:07:57
if not the Royal Rumbo, whatever they put in before the Rumbo. So
2:08:03
they have to figure out how to do this where it still keeps you engaged
2:08:09
with this particular storyline. I liked the storyline but that they have going with
2:08:16
the blood line, but it just like it seems like it's just like treading
2:08:22
water until like or killing time until it gets to the point where it has
2:08:26
to be. And this match just pretty much, yeah, it kind of
2:08:33
like elevated el A Knight because it showed you that he could go toe to
2:08:37
toe with Roman Reigns, even though he lost because of the interference of the
2:08:43
bloodline. But it's still like we all knew that Elle Knight was well I
2:08:50
kind of knew. I'm not sure. I don't remember this particular conversation that
2:08:54
you guys had when you did the preview if everybody was on board with Roman
2:09:00
retaining, but I knew that La Knight wasn't going to be the guy to
2:09:05
do it. Still, and at this story is like as far as Roman
2:09:09
Reigns dropping belts still had a little bit furthermore to go. But the match
2:09:13
was entertaining. Could they have shaved off maybe like five or seven more minutes?
2:09:16
Yeah, And that's something that I've been noticing that this the Roman reigns,
2:09:24
like his title like defenses have all been either like twenty or twenty five
2:09:28
minutes or maybe even longer, and then an entrance. No, I'm not
2:09:35
even counting the entrance. Yeah, so you had like another five minutes for
2:09:41
that, So you know, we're pushing close to a half hour. Because
2:09:45
I remember when I was when I was looking at the time remaining and I'm
2:09:50
like, I think this. I think the pay per view was clocked in
2:09:52
at three forty three minutes, three hours and forty two minutes, and this
2:09:56
match started like at three fifteen it sound like, and the bell rung at
2:10:01
three thirty. I was like, they need to do they need to shorten
2:10:07
it. I know what they're trying to do, but if there's hasn't been
2:10:09
that time for a story to build up, then you need to be able
2:10:16
to like be like, hey, we allowed you this amount of time,
2:10:18
but we're only going to give you this amount of time because we don't see
2:10:22
how this is going to go. So it's just like, you know,
2:10:26
like You're like kind of like it's like a C match to me kind of
2:10:31
overall, because it really didn't only they would just elevate l A. Knight,
2:10:35
but it didn't progress the story any type of movement for the Bloodline.
2:10:41
Yeah, but I think that was also the purpose of the match too,
2:10:46
because again, like we've all said, we all knew Roman was going to
2:10:48
win. I think the only reason why people I think people were gassing themselves
2:10:52
up to think l A. Knight stood any kind of chance of it,
2:10:58
and they were gas themselves up just because of We're reaching the point where more
2:11:03
and more people are becoming bored with Roman's title reign, because of the lack
2:11:07
of appearances, because of the lack of title defenses, and because the Bloodline
2:11:16
story itself seems to have ended. It seemingly ended when Jay split, when
2:11:26
they had their match at SummerSlam and the tribal combat and all that, that
2:11:31
seemed to be the end of the Bloodline story. Everything that's happening since then,
2:11:37
it just kind of feels like a lull. It feels like it feels
2:11:43
like Marvel Phase four. Things are happening, but there's no real stakes or
2:11:50
anything to it yet, and it's not. It doesn't seem to have the
2:11:54
same luster as what came before. So yeah, the Bloodline storyline definitely needs
2:11:58
a shot in the arm of some sort of some level of intrigue or it's
2:12:03
just going to continue to wane and lose interest in people's in people's minds,
2:12:11
and they're just going to keep wanting somebody to just finally end it, to
2:12:18
somebody to finally just take the title off of Roman so we can all just
2:12:22
move on. It's going to become it's gonna if they don't do something to
2:12:28
make it interesting again, it's going to go from being the thing we looked
2:12:31
forward to to being the anchor of the ball and chain around our ankles that's
2:12:39
just dragging along and I don't think they want that. So they got to
2:12:45
come up with something in some way of again reinvigorating this the Bloodline. I
2:12:50
don't know what it is, but hopefully they come up with something and we
2:12:56
and I don't know who, need to talk to Roman tell them he look,
2:12:58
man, I know you is. I know you said you're gonna be
2:13:03
taking the rest of your offer. Bro. We need you to pop up
2:13:05
on TV and make some more appearances now, admittedly, there may be something
2:13:09
going off to the Roman that we don't know about. There may be an
2:13:13
actual reason as to why he's not appearing on TV as much or why he
2:13:18
definitely isn't wrestling as much. I've heard some speculation that he may be dealing
2:13:26
with some lingering effects from his uh leukemia diagnosis from years a few years ago.
2:13:33
There may be some some scars left from that that are you know,
2:13:37
surfacing now, not saying that is leukemia or anything it would be returning.
2:13:41
I'm not putting that out there in the universal. Nobody wants to see that
2:13:46
happen, but you know, there could be maybe something in that regard or
2:13:52
maybe just who knows what could be going on with is with his help that
2:13:56
we don't know about that could be a reason why he's not there. There
2:14:01
was a speculation that he got injured in the was it the matchup fast Lane
2:14:07
that he had, and that he's been covering up for an injury and that's
2:14:13
why he hasn't been as active. But who knows. But if Dakoda Kaya
2:14:22
has shown us anything, she showed us that, damn it, you can
2:14:24
be on TV and not wrestle it. Damn it. Roman, you can
2:14:30
drag your ass out here, even if it's just even it's just some backstage
2:14:35
segments. Hell, take a day or two film like a month's worth of
2:14:39
backstage segments and then go kick it at the cribs. So at least you're
2:14:43
on TV, even if you're not there alive. Acknowledge me insert city name.
2:14:50
I've just been backstage. I ain't mean like actual coming to bring appearances,
2:14:56
but something other than Paul came in every week call Roman reigns. Oh
2:15:03
my god? Yeah right, how many times can you do that? Ship?
2:15:05
Like? We get it the whole, the whole leading from the shadows
2:15:13
thing is. It ain't as effective as y'all think it is. I know,
2:15:20
any other final thoughts on Crown Jewel or the main event or anything else.
2:15:26
Pretty solid pay per view. I mean eight matches, you're all eight
2:15:31
to nine if you want to count Sammy's match. I don't know. It
2:15:35
wasn't too bad. It was too bad, too bad, Doyle miss it,
2:15:39
god man whatever, slacker, Yeah, Doyle getting on it. I
2:15:48
mean, why don't you just quit that job and just watch wrestling all the
2:15:52
time? Job? That's all right? Advice if you get one thing from
2:15:58
this podcast. It's quick job watch for wrestling. It's about uh, Carlos,
2:16:05
what what what episode you got coming up next on your on your podcast,
2:16:11
we are moving along from WrestleMania Memory Lane and uh reviewing rewatching revisiting WrestleMania
2:16:22
fourteen, the one with Mike Tyson a special guest referee. Warning yep,
2:16:31
justis of the Star of the Austin Era. Yeah, so we got that
2:16:35
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2:16:41
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2:18:28
this one. Here we go, Here we go this war games, war
2:18:46
games. Yes, even though this week when I heard Adam piercey war games,
2:18:52
it didn't hit the same as William Regal because he was like, you
2:18:56
want to play games, You want to play games. All you guys do
2:19:00
is play games. He took he was serious. He was to show that
2:19:07
he was serious. I'm taking off the glasses but did good. Yeah,
2:19:13
no, he's he's I like the way he said it. Yeah, he
2:19:20
gotta set the bar. I get it. Maybe he'll just that would be
2:19:22
his new stick. That'll be his new stick. But Ugo comes back next
2:19:30
year. Oh god, yeah, right, so we're getting closer. What
2:19:35
are your guys like thoughts real quick on true or false these rumors about seeing
2:19:43
Punk returning, because it's all over the place. I'm hearing. I know
2:19:48
they see ramped back up. Dude, w W has not had any contact
2:19:54
with Sampong And then you heard recently like seeing Punk and haven't meeting. I
2:20:01
was like, what is going on? And then the conspiracy people are like,
2:20:07
look at what shits? Get KNACKA Morrison in his one promo he said
2:20:11
this, and it refers to seeing Punk's theme music and like he used the
2:20:16
GTS to go to sleep, which was also seeing Punks. Like somebody is
2:20:22
like having string and pictures on a board all over the place in their basement
2:20:28
going nuts predicting that seeing Punk is returning. Anything is possible though, so
2:20:37
damn anything is possible. But I don't think that they need to pull that
2:20:43
trigger, Like they don't need to at all, and like they're already getting
2:20:48
like some excitement already going with like the talent that they have now, especially
2:20:54
with like l A. Knight, Then why would you want to introduce something
2:20:58
that you know you kind of need, like as a in case of emergency
2:21:03
break glass, we need to sell the seats and we need to you know,
2:21:07
sell merch and everything. It's not needed. I don't, it's not
2:21:11
needed at all. They don't. But as I say, the thing with
2:21:18
WW is and like Cempunk even has said it in his pipe bombs like that,
2:21:22
when when I'm gone, the wheel is going to keep on turning.
2:21:26
He's like, this is a machine that never ends. And it's true.
2:21:28
It's like the company went on without Cempunk for many years and did perfectly fine.
2:21:37
As much as I would love to see Cmpunk in WW to wrap up
2:21:41
his career and maybe have some some fantasy boocket matches, but other than that,
2:21:48
like I'm not, I'm not like I want to see him go for
2:21:50
the world title. So no, I just have like a handful of fantasy
2:21:54
messages I want to see and then that's it. But yeah, that would
2:21:58
be absolutely saying I would. I would mark the fuck out. Oh I
2:22:03
have a have a button for that one, this one, you fucking mark
2:22:09
MJ. So yeah, I would. I would mark out if Spunk returned.
2:22:16
What a trade though, kind of kind of a trade, not really,
2:22:20
but kind of a trade. Edge going to AW that's Seampunk going to
2:22:24
WWE. Some class A wrestlers right there. Yeah. WW does not need
2:22:35
him. I do not want to. I do not care to see him,
2:22:41
and really I don't want to see him. You have plenty of talent
2:22:45
on your roster who I would much rather see them invest time in than bringing
2:22:52
in CM Punk, because all he's gonna do is take a spot from somebody
2:22:58
who's arguably more deserving. It sucked the air out of the room and eventually
2:23:03
become a fucking problem. I have no reason to believe that just because he's
2:23:09
in WWE, he's going to fall in line. I have no reason to
2:23:11
believe that. So I am good on seeing them Punk. I'm good on
2:23:18
it, and I don't think Survivor series needs them. They they've started throwing
2:23:22
some matches together rather quickly this week, and they have intrigue. Admittedly I
2:23:28
have. I don't really have much intrigue in the Survivors in the war Games
2:23:31
match itself. It just seems kind of whatever Top Faces, Top Heel faction
2:23:35
throw them together. Let's see what happens like that doesn't have much interest to
2:23:41
me. But real Ripley versus uh Zoe Start that interests me. Gunter versus
2:23:50
the miss that interests me. And I'm pretty sure they're gonna come up with
2:23:54
some stuff on SmackDown, especially if we if they give us La Knight versus
2:24:01
Logan Paul, that definitely interests me. They don't fucking need see him Punk
2:24:09
at all. You know what they do need They need to have Stone Cold
2:24:20
come up with the competing ice cream. When we were stormart Less Bucks for
2:24:26
my podcast, we were doing the WrestleMania thirteen and this came up in the
2:24:31
comments. If Stone Cold was to come up with an ice cream, what
2:24:35
would it be? And I was like, Yeah, why doesn't Stone Cold
2:24:39
have an ice cream? He has his beer. He should totally come out
2:24:43
with an ice cream because his name is right there, stone Cold. You
2:24:46
know, my wife was confusing that with Cold Stone and a couple of times
2:24:50
stone Cold Creamery. Yeah, so they should come out and then him stone
2:24:56
Cold and see him Punk should fight to have ice cream supremacy in the w
2:25:03
W or e stone Cold Cold Stone give me a cold? Oh god,
2:25:13
he doesn't need he doesn't need ice cream. You know what Stone Cold needs.
2:25:16
He needs to come out with his own nuts, stunning Steve Almonds.
2:25:22
Oh my goodness. Oh okay, that's why that one's end. Oh my
2:25:31
gosh. Uh, you know, I think that's how we're gonna end the
2:25:35
show. We're gonna hand on top because anyway from here it's just down.
2:25:41
So with that said, gentlemen, and we will see you next time.
2:25:48
Wearly glub them your friend. And this is a friendship dat will never ever
2:25:54
end. And his name is Johnson. Excuse me what I want, Give
2:26:05
me what I wants. It screw it's thank it doesn't matter what's her name.
2:26:35
Oh yeah, let's screw you guys. I'm going home. Bye,
2:26:41
have a great time.